Hello everyone, It's Sam with a quick announcement, and that is that George and I are returning to San Francisco's catch Fest this year and we couldn't be more excited.

We're doing two shows this year, So the first one is on January twenty second, and it is a stand up night with George and I split in the bill.

And then the second is on January twenty third, and that is a classics Tradio Lab live show with guest segments, et cetera, et cetera.

Come to one, come to both.

They'll both be wildly different, and we're so excited to be back.

We are now obsessed with San Francisco and can't wait to fall in love even harder.

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Wow, what is up?

We are coming at you from Los Angeles, California.

I'm feeling amazing.

I just did a little off your run made us ten minutes later to Oro and recording.

It was completely my fault.

I got a yogurt parfe and then ate it on the spot, and how would you say, thirty seconds.

Thirty seconds, you spilled a little on your shirt, on your pants.

I went and grabbed napkins.

I was like, I was disgusting.

I was kind of being like a character in the Other two who's like an agent eating yogurt.

I mean, you were reading a text, a long text on my phone.

Your text was getting some your phone was getting some textead.

I had two phones that each had text on them.

I was trying to read them while eating a yogurt parfe in the intelligentsia in Hollywood, in Hollywood, as I was running late to my own podcast.

Well, what's really dark about it, I must say, is like you you think it's how sad that you were an agent and the other two.

Meanwhile, that makes me the agent's assistant.

I'm literally just sort of like wandering around following getting napkins.

Because getting napkins, I'm like making sure you read the message on my phone.

Yeah, and you read it and you like put it in your pocket, and I'm like, that's fine, it's your phone now.

Like I was literally powerless and you were taking up space.

I was taking up a lot of space.

And you, actually, I have to say, you embodied the role of the assistant very fast.

It like you didn't even resist thank you for bringing And then I was even like, okay, so that's Sam's role, Like I'll wait for him to get me a napkin.

I don't even know if I said thank.

You, no, you didn't.

But one thing that one time I was in college, I was a caterer and it would be hard because I would take on the role of cater so intensely that then I would come home and be disrespected by my peers because I was like, well, I'm in a place to be disrespected now.

And even when a one time in college then I played a like a waiter in a short or something, and you know, it's everyone is your friend, like, but you're their waiter.

You're literally their waiter.

You're having a trauma response.

And I was literally like, I'm a waiter, like and it was like, I was like, I'm never doing this again because when I play waiter, i am waiter and I can't.

I assume the role too hard to allow myself to do it.

It's almost like doing some sort of role play sexually that is to relate it to your past or something, and then suddenly you start having trauma flashbacks.

Yeah, like, and I do feel like anytime I have to be in kind of a service oriented submissive role, I'm like, this is too real for me.

Like I have to I have to yell at someone in the next two hours, otherwise I will never be able to leave the prison that is being a waiter.

It's really tough, and some people, some people can, like you know, they can power bottom being a waiter.

Yes, no, this is so true.

I can't.

When I am a waiter, I'm being fucked and not in not in an amazing way.

Yeah way, it's just like okay, baby, like finish up.

No exactly, it's very much like okay, it's our anniversary, so you know, I have to let him do what he wants to do.

It's grown horn the once a year that I allow it, and then after that I can finally fucking watch Hunting Wives.

Literally, So that was complicated for me, But I did feel like it was nice to show you the intelligencia that I spent so much time at.

Yeah, and that way you were power bottoming, and that you were taking me to a coffee shop I didn't know about.

It's a beautiful, niche coffee shop, the Intelligentzia in Hollywood, Cali.

Well, I just want to say, I know I was being very yogurt in two phones, but now we are past that, and that scene.

That kink scene is over.

The kink scene is over.

The kink scene and now we're on equal footing.

We're on equal footing, and you no longer have to be waiter for me, were assistant.

Okay, I want to talk about I almost wan't to talk about yesterday trying to have a meeting.

Oh I almost at the event, I was like, I can't really go to that right now.

I kind of want talk about we trying to have one single meeting for potentially one hour in the Silver Lake Tarteine and the Silver Lake Tartine shout out.

Two different gay guys when you walked in within approximately forty five seconds.

And two different gay guys that actually we wanted to talk to correct and it was sort of this complicated Can you.

Imagine two gay guys you want to talk to?

I kind of like, oh, who are they?

Peter Kelly and Ryan O'Connell and the gay guy.

I don't I'm not even gonna be that because it's we're complimenting them, saying those are good gig.

Guys considering the neighborhood that you were in.

Yeah, it could be much you guys.

Yeah, but then it's complicated because it's like we had to put up a boundary and be like so basically we have to work, but because we're both weak, we actually couldn't put up a bet week and we were just like, how about we all have lunch?

No we oh wow.

Well, in fact, what happened was here's what happened.

Ryan walked in and we were like, we're about to have a meeting.

Ryan is like totally heard, like I'm gonna be on my laptop.

But then Peter happened to be on the table next to us, and we were like, just join us then, So then this situation happened where Ryan was on his laptop alone seeing us after telling him we can't hang out with him, have lunch with Peter and just being like cool.

So they were lying, so they were.

Fully lying and they're gapping, they're gabbing with Peter where they were like talking shop like gabbing like what are you working on?

Like who's attached?

And Ryan is like what the fuck?

Well, and Ryan of course retaliated.

Ryan retaliated by taking.

A phone call that took I would say, one hour.

Yeah, no, he was he sold a show.

He was selling a show, and he was negotiating contract live on the phone.

So he then left his laptop and by the way, please.

I'm sorry, sorry, this is just too and.

So he left his laptop inside the coffee shop slash fast casual restaurant.

By the way, they need to figure out what they're doing with their chicken over there, because it was rubbery.

AF This is a call M.

You know, I haven't like I have a lot of things to say about Tartine.

I will just say this bread amazing, period period pastries amazing.

Are there stuff?

Question?

Yeah, let's get back in that work room.

Let's let's get in the love.

Depend in the pad trying to get this damn label off.

You know what I'm saying.

Yeah, let's put those goggles on and put your phone away silent mode, do not disturb.

It's time to do one more pass.

Set a timer for a half hour.

I can look Amadora method.

Yes, twenty five minutes.

Let's try to make that chicken taste a little bit less rubbery.

I want you guys to know that the lyric that I did quote was from a Doctor dre and Eminem song, which is very straight.

So I just wanted to say, you said you need to get back in the lab, and I said, with a penanent pad trying to get this damn label off that I'm still dre Yes.

Yes, wow, I had no idea.

It is true, and I say this respectfully.

It is true that doctor Drey and Eminem as a duo or one of the straightest sets of coworkers.

One of the straightest.

I mean, honestly they were.

You guys are kind of the Doctor Drey and Eminem.

Uh yeah, and who is who?

Is really the question?

Well, now we're getting back into top and bottom because doctor Dray is in charge and we can't.

I want to say this really quickly to what you were talking about up top.

Yeah, because I should have just.

Nudged my way in anyway.

I want you to know.

Sam also played my assistant and loss of Spookies, we.

Need to talk about this.

And there were times when I would get too lost in the role and I'm an assistant.

I literally am a worker here and I'm the assistant.

Were getting were you getting lost in the role and ordering him around?

Well, I'm always doing that.

It is she lost in a role or is she just living her life?

Yeah?

No, I was feeling there were days where I would be like, Damn, I'm an assistant.

You are a subservient little piggy.

Yes, yes, for you to show up in pinstripe, I would.

I'm assuming the row trousers and then off the shoulder cashmere sweater, go on my office ready.

Kind of loafers with a ballet twist.

Belgians.

Belgians is what they're called.

Yes, Okay, so I never knew the name Belgians and Belgians.

Now specifically the this like triangle shape or the bow.

Well, it's specifically this shoe.

So this is an iconic loafer.

And they only have one actual location, and it's in New York City and it's on.

What's the brand Belgian shoes.

Oh, literally, it's called Belgian.

Literally, it's called Belgian shoes.

And they only have one location, and you have to go and get specifically measured, like your foot needs to get measured.

And then the amazing thing about these loafers are the most comfortable.

What's the amazing thing about?

Amazing?

So you buy them and then let's.

Start there the straight face lifetime guarantee.

You buy them, and then you have to wear them for twenty four hours, like not straight like you need to walk in them for twenty four hours.

Let's break them in and the thing is they don't have soles on them when you first get them.

They just have a leather bottom.

So you walk around so that your foot imprints gorgeously into the shoe, and then you take them to your cobbler or back to the store, and then they put the rubber sole on after.

But that's after twenty four hours of wear.

Ever heard of all?

You're making this up?

When you're where you're wearing them pre sole.

Yeah, you're just kind of feeling the rocks on your feet.

No, No, you're not really.

It's like it's it's like this, do you see the rocks?

You can you see this.

Part of the soul?

This part you're just you're walking on like a soul.

They just don't have.

It's just leather eyes, so there's no And they do that so that your foot can cush down on that and sort of make it the most comfortable shoe on the most of you, Yes, the most shoes you exactly.

So then when you're walking into that boardroom wearing your pin stripe with the rope hairs exactly, people are saying, oh, she watched twenty four full hours in that shree before I got it, so was She's dedicated, dedicated.

She is not backing down from a challenge.

You know what it's like when you get a crown and they give you like a temporary one to like let you work it out a bit, Yeah, and then you come in and get the real one exactly.

Yes, And you know, I want you to know, my mind went to jewelry for the head, and then I realized you're talking about.

Tea, talk about teeth.

Yeah, what you're saying when you get your crown fitted and Greta's like.

Uh huh, okay, I remember my first crown.

For th Yes, you have to wear it for twenty four hours first and then they put all the emeralds in.

Yeah, okay, great.

Yeah mine was a little tight at first.

Yeah, you think really stretched out and you wouldn't think it would because it's gold.

But gold is actually a bit more, but.

It's pretty malleable.

All the cheap stuff is really rich, yes, but you have to get the one that can like fait.

Your head quality quality?

Does bound?

Do you feel like crowns like we've run out of trends so much that it could be that just crowns become a trend and you see people walk around just wearing like old fashioned, like burger king, like crowns.

I mean, I personally would love that.

That would be sort of fun.

I think that that's a return to a return to wonder, a return to let's let us dare to dream.

You know, we.

Are already like returning to feudalism, so it makes a lot of sense.

Yeah, I even think.

So.

I don't know how much time you spent on TikTok, but I thought, did you ever get into like fashion trends and like, see, like this is what's kind into fashion, like specifically TikTok predictions, which are insane.

What are they saying?

Well, they're like this spring, it's going to be all about little sailor hats, like trust I have seen.

I've been to fashion Week.

I was at Milan and kept saying little little sailor hats.

So you're a lot of little sailor hats and it's like, I see what you mean.

But that's also not gonna happen.

Well, I mean with nautical it's complicated because they've been trying to make it happen for decades.

I know, they really are trying to make fuch happen, and it has in many ways, like I feel like I don't know.

I feel like Body, for example, has done a lot of good nautical work.

I think Chanelle historically has done a lot of good nautical.

Appears into clown quickly.

Yes, I think Ralph Lauren, I would say, is like nautical light.

Like nautical stripes.

Yeah, kind of a very shapeless sweater with nautical stripes, yeah, paired with the gene.

Yeah, and like you know, maybe like a little A pair of Belgians, White Belgians exactly become another.

Colors.

Do they come from masculine, mascular men like us?

Yes, I do.

I can't wait to I'm going to take both of you guys, And.

I actually have a thousand dollars that's in burning a hole in my pocket.

Well, I can't wait when I show you.

I have three pairs right now, looking to buy my fourth.

When I show you the wonder of colors and combos and materials they have, are going to cream your pants.

You know, when I was growing up, I thought the most expensive shoe one could have was Todds.

Are they flop now?

And everyone's going Belgians.

I never heard of one, Yes you have, I've.

Heard of Tom's.

Todds a uva.

You've seen Todds TODs Okay, when we were like in high school, do you remember those loafers that had the like the like rub souls that were dots.

Imagine instead of a soul, it's just black dots.

I'll show you.

Oh god, oh sure, sure, sure A driving moccasin exactly.

Oh, a driving moccasin.

That's gorgeous.

Yes, Okay, I want to say this, and this is me trend forecasting, and I.

Do think you haven't done some good trend forecasting in a while.

Get the ball rolling, I believe.

I don't think Todd's actually went anywhere in terms of.

Being in or out.

I think it just fell dormant.

Okay, but do you think if dormant in our community, but do you think like in the Upper east Side or in Beverly Hill or like yeah, like in the Upper east Side, it ever left.

No, no, no.

I think Todds for men and women over the age of sixty, has remained a staple in their lives, just like BALI a brand that we would never have but like, but that is an up exactly.

So I think Todd's what we're going to see and I think the gen the gen Zetters.

Are Oh she's British.

Yes, absolutely are going to interest there.

Like I would not be surprised if springtime I see a girllipop walking around in a baby pink Todd with that driving moccasin.

You know what I mean, because the moccasin has made a comeback.

We see you and you doing it.

We see a bunch of different brands doing it.

I'm seeing something I never thought would happened again, people wearing Minnetonka moccasins again.

Okay, so you're saying they're going to return to Todd's in the way that it's like it's like a dress first came back semi ironically, and now people are back to being like, no, no vintage J Crurollnick sweater.

Correct, Yeah, correct norm core.

Everyone's like, oh hahaha norm core.

And then everyone was like, oh wait, new balances.

That's literally what we're just wearing.

Yeah, and that's it, and it's no longer norm core.

It's just normal.

Yeah, it's just clothing.

I see.

So so it's it's all that the arc of justice leads to Todds.

Yes, And I think that Todds are going to have a moment sooner rather than later.

I could see it where everyone's like, oh, we got to get the driving moccasin.

Maybe.

Honestly, I'm gonna buy a pair.

Period.

I'm sorry.

I mean.

I want to buy like a disgusting color.

I want to buy like lavender.

Yes, exactly, exactly, a lavender todd Undersuede Todds will that will cure my depression?

You need a coprete with that worse white white capri worse?

I have something?

Do you ever like?

I wish so badly that my like style could just not want to be preppy thing I ever do.

It's like when I try to get edge even slightly, I'm like, and let's add a like.

Twist boat shoe.

Yeah literally, and I can't not try to be like a little preppy.

And it's like stop it, stop it.

The thing though, for you and I feel the same way about myself because we are from similar We've had similar experiences growing up in similar places.

The preppiness.

We can't avoid it.

It's like the it's like the base level.

It's our plague.

Yeah, you know, and I think that you can't run, you can't run, you can't hide.

Yeah, here's the thing.

You look really cute and a button down.

It's true.

Your your butt looks great in a Chino.

You look amazing in a Wallaby.

Thank you.

You know what I'm saying.

And it's like, let's not reinvent the wheel.

I don't need to see you in a Djanko.

Everyone's told me basically that, like, everyone has an arc type that they are most tied to, and your fashion is like your commentary on that archetype, you know what I mean.

Like, you can't actually reinvent the wheel.

All you can do is be like, wouldn't it be interesting if a you know, assigned preppy at birth person or Supreme?

Yes, Like that's what if?

If Sam is in head to toe Supreme, that's not the same as bonie Vera being in head to toe Supreme.

Correct, Sam is doing Okay, so I'm Preppy and wearing Supreme, and that's that bonie Vera is doing.

I'm Man of the Woods wearing Supreme and aging father and that's that.

Yes, But you know what's interesting about about Supreme and brands like Supreme and Noah and things of that sort, especially Noah that is rooted in.

That's true, is a bad example, because it literally is rooted in Yes, but it's like Sam war Hood by air.

Sure, yeah, it would be like okay, so crappy guys wearing by air.

Or like if you were to come to me and like headge tobrac Owens, I would be like, you know, I'd be like, we're we're doing it.

You know.

My dream is to be one of those people that wears like all like Yogi Coma Garson.

But that is you because you, to me, your essence, like the George essence you are giving hyper intellectual European.

Yeah, and that is that is what you are, and that is how you are dressed.

This is how a very successful, gorgeous, smart European man dresses.

And your and your archetype you're assigned at birth is like.

Stepsister, well no, it's fully evil stepmother liked.

I don't want to aid you up and say stepmother, honey.

Mothers can come in any age and stepmothers there are mothers that are fifteen.

It's very true.

You knows TV show, We actually.

Need to stop assuming mothers are old can be fifteen.

In fact, maybe maybe they all are.

Yeah that's it.

Oh wow, yeah.

It's have you ever tried to like really break out of your norms and be like, you know, today I'm full Rick Owens or something.

Oh you would you could do Ricco.

Yeah, I think because I think that I like, I think that I'm like the ven diagram of the two of you.

I think I am like I think I meet in the middle.

Half preppy, yeah, half European until your words European until I correct.

I think like I can do a Rick Owens moment.

But I think, yeah, I mean, I definitely have tried to like experiment with like my look.

But don't you think you're also Carolyn Bessett Quiet Luxury, uh Tribeca in nineteen ninety eight.

I do.

But my one pushback to that is and I do, and I obviously eat.

That's the highest compliment one can achieve because she's so chic.

The older I get, the more I also do like color and pattern and fun.

Like I was wearing full gray, full gray in the Black Belgians.

Fullis jewelry.

I have poncho and and a navy purse.

There's in that navy.

I just want to say.

God, I love a pop of color like olive.

It's so exciting because all gray outfit with.

No, I guess yes, but I do sometimes like to be funky town, like sometimes I it's Sam's wedding.

For example, I was in like a colorful dress, a fringe, and I was wearing like pink pumps, yeah, wed lavender, lavender Todds.

Of course, I was wearing my gray caprice.

Yeah, my beige shawl.

Canary yellow exactly.

Actually, it's funny that you say that, because I have been hunting what a yellow lacasse a canary yellow birbery quilted jacket.

You remember that.

I'm going to tell you this Carrie Bradshaw wears one season three, season three or four, She's in some chaotic outfit, you know.

Asking about style in interventions iterations, there have been moments like as I've gotten older, where i can be watching sex in the city and then I'll notice I'm wearing socks and pumps and like a mini short and like a fucking crazy top, and I'm like, what is this?

I think I'm Carrie Bradshaw.

Sometimes I can do that, and then when I do that, like like the other day, I showed up to dinner with Mitra and I was wearing like like rumpled down socks with like metallic pink heels and like black capris and then like a and I'm just like what is it?

And I truly was like, I'm so sorry.

I was watching Sex in the City as I was getting to come here.

You know what it is with you, You never know if you're gonna get Carrie where it's JP there you go, yeah, saying which Greta is gonna come.

Which cred is gonna come?

Wow?

Yeah, that's really scary.

But you know what I also think is scary now.

And I was just thinking about Club Comic and like at the time it's like, yeah, Sam's iconic solo show and it's like bondage, leather harnesses whatever.

To me, all of that is now so mainstream.

It's it's really.

Wearing a leather harness.

Like you could show up to a meeting at fucking Kaiser Permanente and in a leather harness.

And respect you.

They would like you could go to your finance job and like a tasteful leather harness.

Well, there was like there's a Taylor Swift picture where she's like wearing like the futurest female shirt.

No, she's wearing a this is my fight song T shirt and she's wearing a harness in wrong side?

What's it called?

Like backwards backwards?

Thank you?

There was then sorry that European she was wrong backwardswards?

Uh no, the harness.

The harness had like a two year period where it was actually a g yes, because but before that it was like just sex.

And then it was like whoa, it's crazy to wear this out in public.

And then it was like okay, now it's tilly chilam, it's that target.

Can I actually say something about the harness?

I think, like cultural historians will uh pinpointed as like when we moved from slower trends to tiktokified faster trends.

I think the speed with which the harness went from subcultures to Timothy shallow mate to literally like lame, Like now you look, if you were to wear harness now on a red carpet, it would be so two thousand and late, like it's no longer cool and it's only been like a couple of years.

I really think that like set the stage for the sort of like schizophrenic TikTok fashion mix and match algo thing that we're dealing with now, where suddenly you're in lavender Todds.

Right, I'm the Lavender Todds and I'm wearing underwear.

You know what I mean.

I went, you know, it's like and I'm wearing my crown.

Ye closes in full andree.

Yeah.

Well, it's like when all of a sudden we saw Jamie Lee Curtis's titters.

Remember but a few months ago you do not remember this.

There was a photo where it's like, suddenly, Jamie Lee Curtis has like giants just stock.

It's amazing, it's incredible, and I loved it and I was like, oh my god, that is freedom.

Yeah no, that's nice.

One of our great one of our true comedic greats insane person, but a really true comedic great.

Yeah, well, you have to be insane, that's right.

I know.

It's like we all are.

Good luck not being insane.

I mean expect literally, what do people expect from Jamie Lee Curtis for her to be like I read this interesting article in the New York that you're not going to get that.

I have this thing recently where I watched A Beautiful Mind.

Oh well, thank you for bringing up.

Go ahead, I watch a Beautiful Mind on a plane and I had never seen it before.

Was it on our plane?

It was on the plane back.

Okay, but sorry, Sam and I have a plane.

No good deal.

We rode the same plane together.

Yeah.

Yeah, But I watched A Beautiful Mind and it was like, you know, spoiler alert to all, yeah, when he's like he's like a genius, but then he's like, oh god, I'm seeing people.

It's all made up.

They're all fake and every like all the patterns I've been seeing are just me losing my mind, which I think is obviously genius.

And it's an amazing commentary on mental health where actually, if you just ignore it, it.

Goes away away.

You want to know about price.

It's good.

It's good for you if you're mentally ill, ignore it.

Yeah, and get into that chemistry lab and get cooking with.

Obviously, because I was like, wait, this movie is to die for.

It's incredible.

And then I was sort of like thinking about how, like I do think when people get really good at like acting or like comedy, like you have to like allow your mind to loosen up enough where you're kind of soft going insane, yes, and then and like some people can hold it together for the whole life.

But some people obviously just lose their fucking mind, yes, and just start seeing patterns where there are none, And like.

Some people stop having the ability to lose their mind.

And that's like a whole other thing that I think we see in performers.

Were Rebel Wilson go on, she used to have a sense of.

Play, right, people can be like they exactly like they used to have this thing that's just like gone, like where to go?

And I Lindsay Lohan honestly, I mean I have Yeah, you're really interesting.

You're just attacking women, a lesbian and a bisexual woman.

Well you know, it's almost as though they lost their sense of play because society was so hard on them that it was like siphoned was beaten out of them.

I'm sure, I'm sure.

I'm trying to think if that has ever happened to a man.

Oh yeah, A million and one.

Like, who is a man that used to be has have such a sense of play and imagination as a younger?

I have one.

I have one, no, go ahead, well not an actor, okay, hear me out.

It's a musician kid rock.

Yeah okay, yeah, well he to me, he just went so insane.

Like but he's fully just lost his mind.

Yeah, and it's not that he's lost times of plays that he has like too much.

Okay, you're absolutely right that it happens more with male musicians than with male actors, because male actors are just like rewarded as they get older.

Mel Gibson, I would say, like he really like.

Fuck, well, he just became insane.

But don't you think that if you put Mel Gibson on a set and you were like action, who would still like put in a really amazing performance to.

Sorry, I mean I don't know.

I wouldn't want him to be on that side.

This is a good thought experiment.

I don't know, like I legitimately think he would if anything is so crazy now that it would be like an even better You think he'd yeah, whereas I think like, oh Kanye, whereas I think, oh Kanye yeah.

But again, we're literally looking for the opposite for people who have It's like this, I have one.

I have one, but I don't think it can be I don't want it to be recorded, Okay, Okay, like I needed this to be deleted.

This will not be recorded.

I think what I think?

What in the beautiful mind metaphor is that I'm trying to think people that like just lose a sense of reality.

It can either be play or no completely.

And I think that's where the.

Because you have to, as you're saying, it's necessary to lose reality a little bit so that you can create and create outside the confines of the real world.

But then you have to be able to be like and that's done.

Time to do a promo video at the Kandye and ass video offices.

But then, you know, then we could get into the bigger conversation.

And I am I am reading a book on new physics right now.

So this new physics, new physics, old physics is what old physics is over over new physics, Sailor House.

You said, Sailor has Lavender Todds Capri capris, So tell is this sort of string theory.

There's strength theory in there.

But I guess the point is about losing touch with reality.

You know.

Then we can get into the head of your conversation of what is reality but our own perceived you know.

And now you're getting into the Kanye territory.

And now we're getting into Kanye and.

This is how you get created.

But how you lose it.

But I will say this on a serious note.

Okay, thank you for getting serious.

I went to my acupuncturiss last night.

Diva had an incredible suession.

This was on the plane, on the play on our plane, our acupunctiss.

Yeah did you say you were just with julieta song?

I was getting deep tissue.

So that's someone who lost the sense of play.

Yes, definitely great example.

Here's what I would like to make an announcement.

If you are a hacker, like I need.

I need the vigilante hackers to rise.

I need the v for vendettas to rise.

I need Anonymous to actually do the damn thing.

You know what I mean?

Because this is for Anonymous.

You guys fill us with so much hope.

There was a moment there where you were my Christmas morning, you were you know what I'm saying, And I was like, I truly was like, we are going to be okay because we have a hacker community called Anonymous that has our back.

It's You're so right.

It's it's how capitalism ruins everything because hackers are just trying to steal your money.

Yeah, hello, that's what you should be doing.

You need to be releasing the code correct, and like, get.

Release the codes.

At least release the files.

All that I'm asking the release put them on.

Can someone just release the files?

Take the phone, upload the pdf to Times Square, let the world see.

That's it, the big Spotify vertical one that would scrolls.

Take that over.

Yes, we baillboards in Hollywood where all they do is put one ad for some peacock show so that the star can see it when they're driving home.

Put the PDF there for the.

VIDIA there saying you know what the thing is.

It's like they're hackers, but they're not dreamers.

Well, I wonder have hackers collectively lost their sense of hunch?

You're absolutely right, and you know why.

And to say this, there were a few bad apples and suddenly everyone was like, all hackers are evil in cells.

All hackers are you know, like uh, you know, toxic.

They're not girl with the dragon tattoo, right, they're actually secretly doing sexual assaults, right.

And then and so then all of the all the good ones were like, oh, I don't want to be associated with this.

I guess I'll just like sort of get a job at the Apple Genius Bar and then like do a Twitch stream at night, and it's like, how about you go back to your roots and release the files.

Release the file, Juliana Lossange.

Yeah, no, that's true.

Good.

Bad, Well, it's complicated.

It's complicated because he released the files files.

That's good, that's good.

Then there were various accusations against him.

Obviously that's bad.

But then of course you start you start doing beautiful Mind and you're like, we're the accusations levied by people who didn't want the files to be released.

Becomes a very slippery slope because then then now now were conspiracy theorists, you know what I'm saying, And Juliana Songs not necessarily conspiracy theory, but we have seen historically that when you do something there are bigger powers that can ruin your life, and that can you know.

I love this podcast, and here's what I'm going to say.

Pamela Anderson, as we know, best friend with Juliana Song, and at some point I think that they were seeing each other at some point.

And if pam Anderson, who I do believe is pure, I was going to say energetically pure mind, body, spirit.

Yeah, if she is letting him in, that's a.

Friend of mine exactly.

Someone, by the way, lost her sense of play, gained it back.

Yes, lost her sense of play because she was beaten down.

Yes, found herself in her garden and with Julian.

Yep gained And you know what, I actually think it's speaking of losing sense of play and getting it back that I think it really helped her too.

And was her son that was like son, but the one that was the one that was like people love you like people really love you.

And I think kind of if we want to talk about like the Lindsay Lohan of it all too, it's like Lindsay, like, we fucking.

Love son, so you can grow up.

And I love this is why we need to be having sons to remind mothers love literally you know it's true, it's true, but we do need.

I need more hacker activity like sap a sap well.

And I think here's a way in rick Owens.

Yes, your models, yes should be hackers period.

Oh my god, to rebrand hackers not as bad but as she and as fashion.

Let's put this out into the ether.

Yes, the next rick Ohens show, because you know it's always a thing hacker live like they are live hacking and maybe they make like harnesses.

We can have some harness play that has computer and they're hacking down.

The runway, you know, so it's amazing.

I think that that is a screen.

Yeah, the files, yes, yes, the file.

They're live hacking.

And as they release one file, it's on the screen, they release another file, it's on the screen.

Here's a question, what are and I want to hear both of your answers separately.

That's crazy.

We normally answer the same time.

Yeah, Well when you hear the exact same answer, the exact same word, same time.

What is your what are your dream what's your dream file?

To be released?

Wow?

Okay, wow, this is a dream file?

Yeah.

Like you get to pick you're you We are in our bunker, okay, and we just cracked open like geyser level files.

You get to pick one file to release into the world.

I want what when't you picking?

Why are you picking it?

And what do you think the fallout will be for humanity?

I want the file that's like this is like it's a bit of a safe choice.

Okay, and I'm sorry that I'm choosing the safe choice.

George and I had a conversation yesterday how we want to be edgy.

Yeah, my love, you are Americana prep.

Having the safe choice is very un brand for you, and let's embrace that.

Let's embrace the safe choice.

I have it.

I want the file release that's photographs, okay, and it's photographs of like like evil Republicans.

But they're like like laughing it up with who we think are good democrats and it's like in a secret layer and behind them it's like there's like a formula where it's like you guys win this year, we win this year.

That's how we keep everyone in the cycle.

And I go, oh my god, it's true.

They're all in kahotes.

Have they sacrificed?

Is like did they sacrifice something?

Like is there like some sort of sacrificial Are you thinking like the Illuminatis.

It's like it's not necessarily illuminati as much as like high business.

It's like high business and it's sort of like they're negotiating, like with with a big lawyer about like how each of them will profit this much if they do it this way.

And that's that's what I hope for.

Listen, Obviously, there's a serious answer that's like about war, and I'm not going to go there.

Here's what file I want.

Really, I want to hear that serious answer.

Show me specifically which civilians have been murdered by which presidents?

Right, Okay, fair enough.

Now my other answer is I want the files showing what numbers across social media have been completely fabricated.

There are people completely fo we know, by the way, people that haven't really foloer accounts.

There are things.

It is known that TikTok has a button that you that some people have access to that they compress that can make something go viral.

I want to know exactly which you know, pieces of content, which videos, which personalities were at some point helped by a by a fake by fake numbers, you know what I mean?

By the way, did you know people are getting paid to post on threads?

Sure?

George blew this whole thing up for me.

People are getting paid.

Well, what your desire is is not just similar from my desire, because what you're kind of saying is like, you want to know what content out there is basically a.

SiO Exactly it is.

It's literally the definition of like or like industry plant Right, that's real.

I want to know which people that I sorry, I'll say one thing.

At this point, I understand that Kylie Cosmetics is successful.

In the beginning, it was fake.

In the beginning.

That was fake.

Yes, we all know it.

I'm not an idiot.

No, it was fabricated that this was a successful business, and then because of that, people started buying it, being like, okay, well there's already momentum.

I'm joining in and now I get it it's a successful business.

I want to know exactly which levers were pulled to make it seem like a successful business.

Year one.

Wow, really, what's what file do you want to release?

Well?

This, I feel like now I get to say too, because me and George kind of have similar something we.

All had to say different ones.

That you created.

So I just find it interesting that you make the rules and then you get to break down.

I just find that interesting, you know, when we're talking about conspiracies, I can't.

Help but wonder who's Operation one pair of Belgians and she is the king of the world.

I'm sort of the stepmother, so I might say, so, yeah, I get to make I get to have to know.

What I was going to say is I want to know which celebrities pop stars and this also like can bleed down to influence it.

Influence are syops like completely because there are some people, and I've been noticing this more and more people that just like pop the fuck up where I'm just like, something ain't right, and I'm gonna tell you my conspiracy theory right now.

I think the Dmilio sisters, I think they tried it.

I think they were like, I think we have something with these too, and I don't think that they can fully execute on it, which is why now no one gives a fuck about them.

Yeah, because to.

Your point, it was like, oh, they all went really viral and like they were the most the most followed person.

One person who cares about them is Charlie Demilio.

Show me one person who cares about her.

To me, I'm just like, what happened?

What happened?

Well, this is complicated.

There's something I've been working on, a theory called foot fetish theory, and it's like it's this thing where it's like deeply, deeply popular, and yet everyone I know is like, not me, not me, not me, not me, And I'm like, I know upload one thousand people, all of them say not me.

The people you know, sexually depraved about their kings, they have other kings.

There are people eating ship.

Yeah, they're fish fish in my mouth.

Foot.

I don't know about feet.

And yet it's the most popular thing online, and so I'm so confused the disconnect between reality internet.

Foot fetish is the Demelio Sisters of.

Ai is put fetish.

Everyone's like, not me, and it's like, okay, this is so popular though the.

Foot foot fetish.

Foot fetish has been fabricated by Anglican Christian males to say to their wives, honey, it's just I'm just in defeat, okay.

And really what they're into is sub piggy play and women in cages.

And they literally are also being like they're trying to find a way conspiratorial to cover up people more.

They're being like, covet those covet those.

Don't show those feet, don't show that.

Yeah, and it's like.

You can't make up a new thing to hide.

Also, no free feet picks, this things up.

I can't.

Foot fetish theory is huge.

No foot fetish theories.

Back to the other no free feet picks something is.

No free feet picks.

This is something people really genuinely believe.

It actually makes me furiated.

It's like a yes, no free feet, picks and face for algo.

I'm like, can you literally like do a cold ice bath and reset your brain?

Who started this?

Yeah?

Who started this?

People post photos of themselves and use an emoji feet.

I'm just like sweating.

What do you think is going to happen?

Someone's going to jerk it to your feet?

I don't care.

And you don't think they're going to jerk it too?

Sorry, the rest of your body where you have all of your you have all of your genitals like basically out in this photo, but you're ding your feet shut off.

It's crazy.

Oh wait, the other file that I want to release, Yes, I want to release I think I really Mine's basic too, Mine's Classic Bake Basic.

I want to release it.

I know that we kind of have, but I want to release the Aliens.

I know, literally, just show us, just show us.

I want I want to see in Times Square, in the long Spotify billboard.

I want to see the anatomy of the Aliens.

I want to see it like laid out, like like we're in bones.

Okay, I know, in the billboard Times Square, I want you to open up the moment exhibit aliens we found.

Yeah, yes they are there.

Yes, their bodies are there.

And you say, here's pretty much what we found.

And there's a big long placard next to it that sounds like, so this alien mostly leads grass and lives in blah blah blah.

That's what I need, you know, how, like do it at the frick.

You know what I'm saying, coming up on our podcast like a new trending character and you know, I still haven't been.

All right, you know what that's doud?

I agree like MoMA Whitney, like, let's make it a moment.

Well, I like what you're saying.

I like what both of you are saying, because to involve the art world in it.

Yeah, Actually, I do think that's what is needed in the rebranding of the hackers, is like they're artists, like they are, they're part of the creative community, because I think people think of them as almost like government.

I mean, I understand that they're anti government anonymous, but they think of them as like computer dark.

You know, they're they're getting your personal information scary.

Like I think we need to bring back this sort of digital optimism in the art world.

I agree.

I also think like, I'm sorry, Emily in Paris.

Television, I'm like, where are you going with this?

She's sign up number one, number two, number two.

Let's why Why isn't Emily in Paris a hacker?

Like?

Hello, yeah, she loves like social media so much and she gets on like Reddit.

Second about why isn't she hacker?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Like are we the only ones?

Like?

Are we the only ones asking the hard question?

Well, the way that was actually proved, the way that Emily and Paris was like, Okay, no one's actually loving the show?

Why to win this award?

And then it was proven that it was because like they were bought, yes, and it was like okay, so it really was like not beloved.

Like the fact that the fact that ratings across the streaming era are simply openly faked.

Yes, and no one is, but you're still meant to pretend they're not.

Like you see the Netflix top ten, You're like you made this up?

Yeah, you can just made it up.

Also, like sorry, one other person that I would die to know if they were, because I think they were Andy Warhol.

Interesting.

That is really interesting.

That is interesting.

I'm just saying that's really interesting.

I mean if Andy Orle is that all of New York is?

I mean, honey, the seventies.

There's no photographic for the seventy ovelo Underground.

I mean, this is getting cral.

You know, that's why they call developed underground.

No one above ground never saw those.

Yeah, put that in your special George develot on a round, Honey.

There was another thing.

Not to be so obvious.

But I do also want to know exactly in Hollywood which men are gay and who has had sex with him?

When you die, it should come out.

Come on.

Yeah, I've heard of a fair I've heard of a threesome that happened at Juilliard, which I can't mention because I will be shot.

There's going to be a laser on my forehead.

But you need to mention it to us off air.

Well, of course, yes, I've heard of a three someme that happened at Jilliards.

I mean, I'll say it now and then we'll believe it.

It's and I believe.

Sure, that's very believable.

No, no, sorry, yeah, I want to know if that happened.

And I'm sorry, sorry.

I want video footage.

I want video Olympics.

But I'm sure it happened.

It doesn't even sound far from that.

No, it doesn't.

No, it sounds cozy average.

Yeah, I have a crazy story.

Okay, but I can't that I need to tell off air.

You'll tell.

But it's about three suns.

Okay, it's about Hollywood celebrity.

Three sounds.

I mean Hollywood clebrity threasons.

People don't know the kinds of depraved things that are happening in the Hollywood Hills.

Yeah, we're talking foot fetishes.

I live in those hills, and honey, weird things are happening.

Prvy, pervy stuff, pervy stuff.

Do you want to know my my topic?

Oh yes, yes, Well wait, we need to do our first second.

Okay, let's very quickly do a first segment and then go right into your topic because it's a really good topic.

Okay.

Our first time is hell straight shooters in this thing?

When we ask you a series wrapping questions, basically this thing is this the other thing?

The only rules can't ask the follow questions were screaming you okay, okay, gret up Triple Axel or Little Rascal to.

Bleaxel began, Todelini or Linda Cardelini, Linda Cardlini, going to.

The lake house, or throwing out that stained blouse.

Going to the lakehouse, Nice Jacob Alordi, or eating disorder.

Eating disorder, losing the thread or oohing from head.

Oohing from head.

Oh.

This was a listener submitted one from David shout out listener David Epinephrin or Nora Efrin.

Oh nor Efrin recipe for Disaster or the cinematography in the Master.

I'm gonna go cinematography in the Master.

Hollywood, Macha la bamatio, don't get.

Hote don quixote?

Wow?

Okay, sorry, what's your topic for Breeze?

Fuck Caze?

I want to pause.

Yeah, I cannot believe we just spent like forty minutes doing conspiracy theories.

By the way, I love it.

It went fast ivored episode conspiracy theories for Breez.

But this is what they want us to do, and I'm going to say it right now for Breeze.

Sigh up.

Okay for Breeze, and.

I have a lot yeah to say about it.

So here's here.

I'm literally going to give you the floor after say the sentence.

Yeah.

On the one hand, I could see it being a sigh up.

On the other hand, there is something that is so to the average mind appealing about it that I could also see it being completely in earnest.

It's like people just see on TV you can have a spray that fixes it, right, and they're like, well, of course I want that, but what is that?

And I'll tell you what that is.

Yes, go, do I have like two minutes.

To you have literally as much time as you want.

Okay for breeze.

Oh, it's been marketed to us as so many things, room spray, fabric spray.

It started as fabric spray.

And the way that that kind of was, and it always kind of made me sick, was that's stinky.

Don't wash it, just spray it down with for breeze.

Huh.

Interesting concept.

So you're saying if something's dirty and smells like shit, that I don't need to wash it.

I can just be a nasty little fucker and spray it with an aerosol spray that smells putred.

Mind you.

So the reason why I think it's a sye op is it promotes.

So the question is at culture.

It's straight culture and straight it's the straightest thing that it can be.

Why, well, First, let's start with that it's so straight.

Specifically, it's for who doesn't have time to give themselves the pleasure of something that smells good.

A frazzle dazzled mom.

Exactly who doesn't?

Guy that it's either frazzled mom who literally doesn't have time or frat guy that doesn't own cleaning correct.

Correct, who doesn't have the skill set?

Yes, straight men?

Y who is who does not want to learn or have motivation to learn the skill set?

Straight men?

And this is where I go back to SIOP, which is when we allow people to live in not even mediocrity sub below actual bare fucking minimum, then we leave them without skills.

So then when we have people without skills, they become helpless, they become dumb.

They're not learning, they're not growing, they're not challenging themselves.

That's for Breeze.

This is so you're it's it's essentially by I'm actually loving the conspiracy side of this.

Yeah too, it's sort of like taking away public education, yeah, introducing for breeze.

Yes, where it's like we will have masses that don't know how to clean correct, so we can control.

Them correct, and we can't.

They will need us.

They can't do the laundry.

I'm sorry, Like gay people are doing the fucking laundry always.

I have never once gone into a queer person's home and gone, is that the putrid smell of like petunia linen that, like it says in a freeze can never I've never even seen it in anywhere.

No, gay people will introduce you to a new brand of dryer sheets that they got from Denmark.

Correct.

Correct.

I think the educational element is really interesting because what happens is you take away home economics, like just the idea of knowing how to live your life, like just how to you know, how to sew back, how to sew a button back on a shirt, how to like, how to clean, how to whatever, and then what you get is for breeze in the same way that when you take away civics classes, what you get is Donald Trump.

Like Fabreeze is the Donald Trump of cleaning products.

Yes, it's a quick fix for something that is a systemic problem.

Also, it's of course to sell product.

You're making it so people don't know how to do anything, so they have to buy a thing to do it for that.

Oh, your room reeks of shit, literally, just like vacuum clean your floors, and I don't know, spraying a mask it's a band.

Aid, it's a band aid.

It's a band aid.

And straight culture is often putting band aids of a problem.

Well, it's completely and it is a complete lack of curiosity about where that problem came from.

Like you have a gaping wound, You're not going to think, how did I get that wound?

You're going to put a bunch of band aids on it and keep going through the woods.

Exactly.

It's like being cut by every branch in your way.

I would go so far as to say all sprays are straight.

It's one of the straightest forms of matter.

Because if you think about like a body spray instead of duorant, it's like, no, use a deodorant, yeah, it's better, Or any kind of room spray instead of a candle.

It's like use a candle.

It is it's going to be better for your room.

Like Liesol spray exactly, Liesol spray instead of like a more sort of like viscous type of clean like a spray, is this promise of a quick fix.

It's tech.

It's tech.

It's tech.

And also you can't see it isn't that fun?

You just put it in the air.

Oh my god, I didn't even see the thing that you'd all my problems.

Mean, while you're dying slowly because you're inhaling, like you're the ozone layer within is being.

Distroyed, and you're voting for whoever they tell you to.

And also that.

Yeah, and I would just like to list you some of these I would say, deranged sense that only a straight mind, only to be honest with you, a straight male mind would come up with.

And let me just go back off of my todds.

Okay, so we of course have for breeze ocean Jesus Christ.

Okay, Now that's a big concept.

There's a lot of it's in the ocean, the result do you mean the trash island floating in the Pacific?

And if this weren't straight, it would say for breeze and then it would say coastal Maine.

Now that now specific important.

Now I know what I'm smelling.

Ocean breaks my heart because it's like, so you've never been there.

Yeah.

The person that came up with that is like, I actually saw one movie that was set in the ocean, finding Nemo and I wonder what it smells like.

Yeah, Nemo.

Oh my god, I wish it was called Nemo's Ocean and that would be beautiful, very nice.

Now the next one gain oh the brand correct, and that's Sinister.

That's collabed between for Breeze and Game.

So here's and here's why I think this is so even more dark.

It's You're not going to do your laundry, but I'm going to make it smell like the laundry.

Oh scary.

And now here's one that this one's really sending me to the void my mind.

Is for Breeze scent heavy duty.

Oh no, the.

Scent is heavy duty.

Yeah.

Oh, you're you're throwing a you're throwing a holiday party.

You haven't cleaned your house in five years.

You're saying I'm desperate here.

Yeah, again for Breeze heavy duty.

Surely this will fix everything.

Yeah, your guests come, they dropped out on the spot.

Yeah, my mother's die of heavy duty.

For Breeze inhalation.

That is so scary.

The other sense that I'll just quickly say, Bamboo.

I kind of love that one.

Spring and Renewal, Oh my god, I'm gonna cry.

Golden Orchid no cranberry for the holidays.

Holidays.

Well, that's kind of fun.

And then I do think a gay guy did this.

I think a gay guy did these two bora bora waters.

Oh yeah, and that gay guy is he's forty seven.

Yeah, fillers like you've never seen in your life.

Yeah, muscle tank.

Yeah, but guess what he never stopped wearing TODs, never, never wearing.

The stomach is hard as a rock.

He stopped wearing them for one summer when he discovered the giant ball in August, and he would do muscle tank giant yes, yes.

And then he also named honeysuckle.

Yeah that's fun.

Yeah, that's fun, that's cute.

Yezy, take me laugh.

Oh he also did Mediterranean lavender.

Yeah travel Yeah, he's like.

Cat him around.

I never want to forget those Mediterranean waters.

He's next up is for Breeze tea.

You know, Mediterranean leaven is like leavender isn't Mediterranean?

What are you talking about?

Just two things?

Hello, it's a French.

Damn well, that is scary.

I don't realize how many flavors there are.

No, it's it's it's scary.

And when i's a yank candle Yeah, but at least, Yankee candle, you're giving me kind of back to the conversation of losing your mind or whatever when you're lighting that candle.

Yeah, you're giving me a sense of play.

For breeze.

You're giving me bare minimum.

I'm not even thinking about the quality of my life, Yankee candle.

You are thinking, Oh, I want a gorgeous candle in my house.

Is that Are those fragrances for me?

No, But that person wants to treat themselves.

They want they want the glow of a candle, feeling of a candle, to slow burn of a candle, the for breeze.

When I see a can of for breeze in anywhere that's not a bathroom in a gas station, my heart breaks.

I see it and I say, now, this is a person that needs to put their feet on the grass and the moment.

And the gas station bathroom is so apt because it's like, Okay, think about every gas station bathroom you've been to, they all have a can of for breeze.

Now, think about your home.

You're modeling it after a gas station bathroom.

You need to love yourself.

You know what if you have fa breeze in your home that you use regularly.

I recommend watching Portrait of Lady on Fire.

Yeah, like you need to like experience a depth of emotion.

I recommend purchasing a silk scarf and just putting it on your skin, yeah.

And just feeling it.

That's just straight even just like throw it and see how it lands.

That's natural beauty.

And then kind of try to internalize that and say, what if this scarf were to lead me down a different path exactly?

And you know what people should know a fun fact about for Breeze and what led me to this topic is my home had uh termites very common in Los Angeles.

So they say, that's what my landlord said, very.

Common, very annoying.

Guess what is the biggest deterrent for termites for breeze?

Really And this made me respect them because I said, Wow, they don't want to be anywhere near They want to eat a hopeful home.

They want to eat a home that you know has soul.

Yeah, they smell that for breeze.

They say, oh, these people, I don't want to eat this.

It's like when I when you know, when I when an animal is raised ethically and period, it takes better.

Homes are the same.

Isn't that crazy?

That's that's really crazy.

I do have so there is a bottle of for breeze I will admit in my home because of the termites.

But if anybody ever clocks that bottle of for breeze, which they never would, I would immediately say, and I want you to know that is where.

We had a termative and you quickly bring out your love candle and you hope they forget.

You're just like.

Answering exactly exactly.

There's something so funny about fabreez too, where it's like another straight thing.

Is it kind of reminds me of like a return to sort of the like fifties household.

Yeah, where it's like, oh you have you're sick, try cocaine.

Like there's something like that's fun.

That's what it's like.

This works by the way.

It was like these chemicals will save you.

It's like, actually, like it's not really the fixed.

Don'ting wrong?

What a blast.

Breeze is too.

Fabreez is to cleaning what gogurt was to breakfast food.

Literally, yeah, you know.

It's also like to think that a gorgeous icelandic yogurt with a spoon is a problem that needs to be fixed.

Yeah, and rather than a luxury you can have in the bar of a boutique hotel room.

Well, Ellen DeGeneres, she had an amazing gogurt joke in one of her specials.

Well, she's honestly like a really good community.

Yes, but her whole thing was like, oh I can't like I can't go to the movies.

Oh why I just cracked open a yogurt.

It's not like.

Eating a yogurt ta yeah, yeah, it's a free hour.

You know, it's interesting that this has been brought up when George was trying to scarf the yogurt just one hour ago.

Yogurt actually would have saved.

Incident myself better.

You know what.

The Yankee kettle comparison is so interesting to me because here's the difference.

Both are straight, of course, but the Yankee candle customer has the right instinct and the right desire.

They just haven't been pointed to the correct direction.

Yes, like what they want level, We're going to find.

What they want is what they should want.

Like they want this like cozy comfort thing.

They want to bring a little bit of a Nancy Meyer's vibe to their apartment, you know what I mean.

Whereas the instinct of the free breeze customer is wrong.

If the breeze customer needs to be stopped, yes and re educated, yes yes, Whereas that Yankee candle customer just needs to be shown like a slightly better version of being candle.

And I would say, honestly, I think Yankee candle bisexual because I think there are a lots you got a good Bye slash gay consumers where that is all they have access to.

It's also not like they don't smell bad.

The smell they're a little cloying, but they're not bad.

No, I just love being like the candles are a bit cloying, but well they are.

My mom did something where she bought a giant, giant Christmas like cinnamon and nutmeg candle, and it's so strong that you don't have to light it.

The entire house smells like it and she has not removed it from its perch since two Christmases ago.

So every time I go home, I'm talking, I'm assaulted, sure by the smell of nutmeg and cinnamon.

I mean, I would just like to say Berry's boot Camp Studio City, the Pumpkin candle is strong strong.

I want to say that, like one of life's great joys when you live in a town in the Midwest is going to the mall forty five minutes away and going into the Yankee candle store and saying, yeah, yum, yeah, Okay, that one's not for me.

Yeah, that's your your your finding taste.

You know what I actually think is lower than a Yankee candle, uh oh?

Is are the candles that people buy that are like cereal, like cereal milk candles, and then it's like wax made to look cereal cookies and cupcake candles.

I want to say, a candle should not smell like food that isn't fruit or vegetable.

Yeah, you know what's cheesecake?

No.

And it's interesting because like even with fragrance, like I'm not a huge gormond person in like my fragrance notes.

And I've tried like some of my friends that like really smell like gorgeous like musky vanilla.

I'm like, oh my god, that's so sexy and like like a sexy like nineties like bombshell.

But I have never those sense to me.

Do you prefer I prefer like cleaner citrus.

I love like fig fragrances.

I love like green, I like tomato leaf, I like like basil.

I like I like things that are just cleaner.

I like more masculine fragrances.

I think I like tobacco not on my skin, but I like how it smells.

Musk doesn't do well with me because it like turns on my skin.

It smells sour.

Fragrance is crazy and it's just like yeah, Sam, like cut to actually, let's make this a clip.

Okay, we're gonna George.

I're gonna rattle off a bunch of sense and they're just gonna slowly fall asleep.

Okay, some tall.

Geranium, hydrangea, lavender, cannabis, oh, cannabis.

No.

I sometimes can I say this is when people describe fragrances, I check out.

When people describe food.

You check in, I'm out, you're out out.

When someone's like like when i'm I want the man, you just say, like it's the chicken.

With like this, this and this have three words.

You can say I have a theory about you with this.

But when someone's like, like someone's describing food and they're like yeah, it's actually like really like the garlic is in there, and there's like this buttery thing that really brings it out.

And there's like we use some citrus.

That's like the chicken with a bright light.

And I'm just like, okay, like, get to.

The point which speed it out.

Is it spicy?

Is it?

What?

What is it?

You want them to be like, it's a spicy chicken and the skin is really cristy, and it's good.

You get you get four words.

Yeah.

I think your thing with this is you want to maintain the sense of wonder about the world and you don't like when it's over explained to you.

And I actually that's a positive read.

No, I would love if that's true.

Sometimes I'm like, I'm just like, don't lie.

Like I'm like, you can say all these words to me, what does it taste like?

Yeah?

I I also get frustrated when people like don't tell me the process.

Yes, oh I hate I know.

Like, Well, we picked it up, we spatchcocked it, and then we brined it for about twenty four hours.

After that brining period, we were able to lock it in with some preserved lemon and we did that using sugar that we got in scents.

It's like shut off enough.

Yeah enough.

Also, I'm sorry if anyone says mouth feel to me, don't say it.

The same person saying mouthfeel putting little hearts over their feet and picks that is the same person.

God.

Wow, Wow, this has been a really ground give a word to Greta goes too Cigaretta title.

No, I going back to my acupuncturist, right, which I.

Don't think we ever got to the bottom of the line.

Yeah, yeah, let's circle back.

So what happened with the acupuncturists we're talking about?

Wonder we were talking about.

About and the acupuncturists has maintained their sense.

Of play, Oh absolutely, but the feeling of people either going crazy or losing it.

And I have been feeling like I've just been feeling this thing and being like can I like, you know, when you get in those modes where it's like, can I think of any idea?

Like?

Can I think of any new joke?

Can I think of any like?

Do I experience life?

Like?

What is that?

You know?

What is happening?

And and he and then yesterday I had a day where I was like, wow, I feel really like creative today, And he was like We're going to focus on opening up your doors, because it's like the feeling of like the doors whatever in my mind whatever.

It was like, I felt like the doors of possibility were open.

And I like that analogy of like feeling like my mind had all these doors that were open and I could like walk through them and explore them, and I think of, you know, maybe some the Rebel Wilson example, it's like, oh, I just feel like the doors in hermitage.

And then you have to have the door because then if you don't have the door, then you become Kanye inevitably, you know.

What it has to be able to close to.

Yes, though, it's like their doors blown out and they did open concept.

Yeah, some people have gone fully open concept of year.

It's a lot.

The kitchen is in, the toilet is in the bedroom exactly.

Yeah, No, it's and and And they were rewarded for going loft.

You're a genius.

This is an amazing debut album.

We need we need the people that have the loft minds.

Yes, but you can't permanently live in the loft.

At some point you're going to put up a curtain, correct, at least beaded curtain maybe yeah.

Sheer screen, Yeah, yeah, to loft.

To I was something like, I go loft, like when I take acid, I'm going loft, you know what I'm saying.

And to me, I'm like, oh, this is why psychedelics are useful.

It allows me to go loft.

And then after this experience, I'm like, oh, I know I can go loft.

I had fun going loft, and I'm going to take experiences from going loft.

The reason why my door's open not to say that this is all all about substances and substance abuse, but like, I've been dealing with a lot of anxiety and finally, two nights ago, I took a kalonapin and I woke up and my anxiety had subsided, and huh, I'm not in that anxious state anymore.

And all of a sudden, like the doors crack open a little bit and I'm in a relaxed state and I'm able to like have that conscious experience.

Yeah.

Yeah, I wonder if I will ever be able to fully go loft because I to me, I think my vibe vibe and you know, feel free to disagree.

I feel like what I try to do is that my doors are cracked open, and I'm kind of like and then I go back.

Not everyone needs to go loft.

Yeah, yeah, you're not meant to go I'm not meant to go loft.

No.

I think that I think that you can go loft.

I think going loft and implies implies a loss of control, yeah, which, And I think that that's a misunderstanding because I think that you can still go loft while being in control.

M h.

And I think that I'm a control freak.

We're all control freaks here in this very space, this room, as I think a lot of ambitious people are, because we're like, you know, like that constantly.

And I think that going loft could also be like moments where you're truly relaxed and where you're like in the moment of being like wow, like I'm really relaxed and I'm like really in my body.

I think that like meditation can be going loft.

I think that the things that just get us to be out of here, out of this, out of the lavender TODs, exactly, out of the lavender TODs and into the Mediterranean lavender field.

Whoa no every time basically every time I receive an email, a door closes, like I'm like, oh, door, Like every time I'm like okay today, I'm writing all afternoon and I get one email and my door closed.

Well, it's like when when you get a phone call, Like when I see like a rep calling me, I'm like up, career over hello, you know what.

It's like, that's the thing, and it's all fear based.

No, it's my doors are becoming panic room with Jodie Foster, it's like they are they are, you know, builded, steal bolted to the ground for trying to get it in.

Yeah, it's Caroline Politic.

You open the door to another door to another door.

Yeah wait, that is about like not being able to go loft.

You open the door to another door to another door.

Annoy thing is like when you know you can go loft and you feel like you can't, like you're not like you're doing this and you're just like I want to go loft.

I want to go loft.

It's like the feeling here is like I have so much to say, like I need like I have so much to give, like let me give it.

And I think that we all in this business.

It's like there are nine million other people that need to give us permission to give what we want to give when really all that we want to do release the files.

Really release the files.

That's it.

I can't believe the movements of this episode like this, I guess fashion conspiracy theory, fabreeze career advice.

To be honest, release when we are when we were at our most, you know, flying through the air in this episode, Like, yes, I felt like I went loft, and I honestly think not to get too emotional.

I honestly think like my most loft moments in my life over the last six years have been when Sam and I reach a place of like full brain meld and I can like actually let go because what it is is we are building.

We have adjacent apartments and we're knocking down the walls and building and building one big.

And you're building the city.

Yeah.

No, that's really true.

That's really true.

Dream Wow, amazing, what a absolutely true delight.

And can you leave?

This is me one and a half cold brew.

Really I'm actually only one, and well we did go offt full long.

This is my second and to be honest, like it's I'm shaking, yeah, and I have I think I'm gonna go to the gym after this, and I'm gonna lift five million pounds.

Wow.

Should we do our final set?

Yes, our final segment.

It's called shout Outs, and we pay amash to the Grand Street tradition of the radio shout out.

Shoutout anything that we enjoy, people, places, things, ideas, and we think of them on the spot.

We think of them on the spot.

And I have something that I want to shout out.

Little you go first, because reason it never happens.

You go, oh wait, it's fine.

You're a veteran of the podcast.

I just came to me, I and this is gonna be so.

I actually hate that I'm trying this out, But I'm going to Apollo Bagels in New York City.

Keep going.

I bit into one of their bagels and guess what it brought me an immense amount of joy.

Yeah, that's one of the ones you hear about.

You're like, that's the trendy place that everyone's going to.

Yeah.

Line, here's the thing.

I'm not a bagel.

I'm not a big old person.

I'm not when saying I guess what never when Land of Courage Bagels, I'm not doing it.

No.

I walked by Apollo bagels, no line, ordered myself a little whitefish salad on a bagel.

I got it.

It was so good.

I I despise people that eat and walk in especially in New York.

I'm like, this is not the place, this is not your dining room.

I understand, we're all in a rush.

This is New York City today that never sleeps.

We're moving, We're moving and moving, and why minute I get a diva pulled it aside and eat or just like I was walking and eating with this bigel.

It was so divine and I was just like you know when you have that one where you just say it is amazing.

Yeah, and I really just I think it is so good.

I want to shout that out.

And I would love to just shout out Algian lofers once more, shout out I'm one.

Okay, you go first.

I might have done this one or mentioned I've never done it as a shout out, so I'm just going to do it.

But if I've mentioned it before, don't comment, access the loft and move on.

Okay, what's up crazy?

What's hold on?

Oh wait, what's the style of radio?

I didn't do that.

Oh it's fine, Okay, what's up, New Yorkers.

Welcome dezar on New York.

Thank you so much for getting out there and making your voice heard.

I want to give a shout out to the bread and Tomato cocktail at Schmuck the Bar in the East Village Greta.

You have to go there.

It opened only the last couple of years.

It's after your time in New York.

They do this cocktail and I'm not normally like an artisanal cocktail girl.

It tastes like dipping a piece of bread into the remnants of a tomato salad.

It has that freshness of like the tomato and olive oil.

And literally they do toast infused vodka, so it kind of tastes like toast.

I'm telling you, this is exactly the kind of thing that like would go TikTok viralin.

I would be rolling my eyes.

I went there, I ordered it.

My eyes were ready to roll, I said, ready set had I had them primed so that they were about to do this.

Instead they rolled to the back of my head because of a head good.

It was wow wow, yeah to shout out.

I think I've maybe done this before, but just to bring it back down to earth, what's up everyone around the globe.

I want to give a shout out to the frozen pizza that is Dejorna.

I have to go a bit for breeze on this, and I have to say that Doorno pizza takes me back to childhood in a way that maybe nothing else does.

When I'm having a Dogorno pizza, I say, I am a kid.

I am playing video games and just wait an hour, I'm about to get break and bake cookies.

There's something about the softness and the sort of there's an uncanniness to a Dijoorna sweetness.

There's a sweetness to a dessert.

It's a dessert, and it's a dessert pizza.

And of course do I want every day?

No, But when I come home.

I came home from New York and I said, I don't want to order freaking La pizza.

I want to get a Doorno.

It's not delivery, and I and it was the best thing I could have ever had that night.

I can't say it's nice.

Yes, please, it's not for breeze.

Even I use the.

Oven, You're using the damn oven.

That's cooking, as far as I'm concerned, is cooking so shout out to Dejorno.

I don't know what you guys are doing, but never ever change love that X Sam.

That's Domino's for me.

I have to say Dominoes.

I'm like, I'm in my childhood, anything as possible, and I'm ready to press play on my big fact Greek wedding, honestly.

And that's funny because that is Pizza Hut for me.

I was a Pizza Hut.

We were at Pizza Hut.

We were a Domino family, and.

Then we were a pizza family that transitioned to a dominance family.

A moment where we transitioned to Papa John's and then I got like sickly addicted to that garlic butter sauce, and then the hospital well, and then I was like this is too much, and then my mom kind of was like I don't want to see you eating that.

Okay, so you know, wow, Well this has been amazing, Aerda.

Would you like to promote your tour dates?

Well, see, here's the little here's a little a few weeks.

Well, here's the thing.

Yeah, here's what I want you to do.

I want you to follow me on Instagram, okay at girdie Bird or I want you to follow me on TikTok honestly really either either or because I am taking I'm not you know, I'm taking a little hiatus from tour as we entered into the new year.

But then in twenty twenty six, I will be going to Philadelphia, I will be going to my hometown Washington, d C.

And I will also be back in New York, and I'll be doing the show back here in LA and you know, maybe a bunch of other places.

I think I think I'm going to try and go to Toronto.

What do you think?

We love Toronto and I'm going next week.

So wow, I'm moderating Alison Roman's book of it.

Oh my god, not to bras So yeah, just kind of keep your eyes in this space and period.

That's what we're always.

I'm in your city.

Release the files well, and by the way, release the files if you take what if any hackers are listening, please release the five.

We trust your politics.

We know you're good people.

Start like literally just start.

Yeah.

We would love help.

If anyone out there that's cooking the numbers wants to work with us, we could definitely use more followers.

Totally cook those numbers.

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