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You're listening to Stradio Lab and Hello and hello.

We have just had a lunch.

We both went to different food carts.

Yeah, it actually felt very Austin.

Yeah, we both into different food carts.

I got the Lawful and of course I got tie And which is so us?

It was so us and it was so us to sort of not even question should we eat of the same food truck?

We said, no, I'm going here, you going here.

I actually think we have an amazing way of separating while together.

Yes, I completely agree.

It is that thing that people say that we're like.

Intimacy is being able to be with each other but not speak.

Yeah, which we don't necessarily do as much.

No, we are speaking.

We are speaking, but then when it's time, we know where we differ and like we will silently just go you know, I will.

I will go into what's an example of something that is different for us.

You can't do this to me.

I know.

I was about to be like, I will go into the Jake Crew and it's like you own JA Crew than I do.

Okay, let's not point fingers.

No, I actually think you're some ravenous for j Cru That's not true.

You have literally fifteen of those giant chinos.

I have three.

That is a lot.

You need different color.

Why am I stigmatizing your giant chinos?

I can't believe you're doing this to me on my I know, I don't know.

The thing is you're right, like you forget with pants.

It's so hard because they actually last longer than you think.

You think, like, oh, I'm gonna wear these for this year, and so it's like, but no, I'm actually gonna wear them for like five years.

So now I have these giant pants I've been wearing for five years, and it's like and it's sort of like, well, now I want new pants, but I can't because my pants are perfectly fine.

I wonder if I'll ever know how to dress myself, or if this is I'm gonna be, you know, ninety five years old on my deathbed and be like, do these fit?

Well, you're on your you're ninety gute on your deathbed, and you're like, work wear is over, and yeah, I'm wearing work with I you know, I'm wearing tiny little shorts today.

And you wore them yesterday or the other recording we did as well.

Yeah, but I want to say it's a very conscious choice because, as we all know, tiny little shorts are out.

But I said, actually, they're so out there's something almost fun about it.

I agree, and so I was like, that could be a little twist.

There's edge in them.

Again.

Something people don't talk about is trends.

Aside the short length that looks good on you actually have to do with the shape of your legs.

Well.

Some people have better calves, some people have better thighs, some people have more attractive knees.

There are different hair patterns that can come into play, and I think people it's a losing battle to be chasing short length trends.

Yeah, and it's a very like defensive thing it is.

I mean, I have long shorts that I wear.

I'm not above a trend.

Of course, of course I'm human.

We both have the post lunch sleepies.

We have to address that.

I'm sorry, words are not coming to me.

No, but this I have words.

Let we finished the slot, ok, and then we can talk about we say so.

But there's something that feels as as we all know, branding as is false.

You shouldn't like be you know, trapped inside of your own self branding.

But there's something about going from short shorts to long shorts back and forth where I'm like, this is sort of the the the like, I'm not presenting a cohesive self like I I I'm actually presenting someone who like is lost.

Okay, you're specs.

Okay, now we can talk about your your You are sleepy.

You are literally unable to think of a word, and it is crazy.

You don't even have filler words.

There's no wow, there's no there's no that's interesting, there's no Let me think about that.

You can't even think of the filler words.

Sorry you're saying, I'm upset you think that having long some long shorts and have shorts and some short shorts makes you feel like you are not on brand.

It's beyond the brand, George.

It makes me feel like multiple personalities personalities.

I mean, you're but you're also wearing sometimes formal shoes and sometimes sneaker or sometimes short sleeves.

But that's different.

I'm saying that there's something about the short length to your soul.

Okay, okay, So short length like an astrological sign or like a birthday or something like that.

Like it is, it's a break from reality when you go with different shot exactly.

Okay, I think that.

I think that makes sense.

Would you say, though, that that is the case for pant tightness like it, because to me it does feel like a conscious decision when someone you know that's wearing a straight fit suddenly shows up and we're talking boot cut.

I do, and I do think it's that's why it's so hard for people to change their tightness.

I almost think there should be a kind of doula that like a clothing doula, where you say, you say to someone I would like in six months, I would like to be at a place where my pants are this with or or my shorts are this length, and they say, okay, we can work on a plant.

We will be dilating your pants.

We will be dilating your pants over the next six month.

And you can download this app.

It's fifty a month and it will give you and you can and we have a tailor we.

Work with, and you return all the pants, return the pants.

It's very sustainable and eco friendly, and we collaborate with a lot of women owned businesses.

And but in six months, people won't even notice that there's been a change.

They'll just be like, you look really.

Good for some reason.

Hmmm, to read our guest, are you wanting to explore this spot more?

No, I'm into I mean I do.

I think it was the smartest thing I've said so far.

And finally I was on a roll and now you're suddenly cutting me off.

Yeah, a little bit.

I just feel like our guest was like having I was seeing light bulbs, yeah, and I was like curious to hear what the first.

Be sure where?

Well, we should get someone else's perspective, someone who is not currently wearing pants or shorts.

Even that's true, there's a third choice.

There's a third choice.

There's actually many more choices.

Oh my god, that feeling when there's many more choices.

Hereiod, So please welcome Joe Sunday.

Guys, Do not get me started on skirt and on dress.

We'll be here all freaking night.

But can I can we actually go back to something?

This is okay?

Well fuck, okay already so okay, of course I was giving you all kinds of faces.

Yeah, but you know what I was thinking while you were talking, is I'm so grateful that I don't have to weigh in yet that with the faces I was trying to give you.

Yeah, I guess, just some active listening, just some keep going.

You were making some amazing points.

I had no idea where I stoop, but you just okay, this is what I Okay, Sam Taggart, nice to meet you right today.

Day one.

I don't want to say I don't want to disrespect you.

Of course, you know what long, long long time I've been with you guys, since day one, since episode freaking one.

WHOA, So I know that you don't take disrespect on this podcast.

We have actually more than you might think me, especially.

Recently, George takes more disrespect than Sam.

And so I need to be careful.

And would you say that I actually have the opposite reputation.

It's like people would think I would take less disrespect, but in fact I take more.

You know what I mean?

Because you're like the smarty pants one.

No, because I'm like, see, I like sort of.

See, that's not disrespect.

That's not DISRESPECTO like the idea that I'm more like particular, like an opinionated about things.

Sam is more chill, Presents is more chill, is what I'm trying to say.

But I think that's almost why I don't take disrespect them the same way, because when someone is like tries to be disrespectful, I sort of like, I'm like, no.

Thank you you physically, Oh wait, go ahead, I take disrespect and Sam doesn't go ahead, Okay.

So I just want to be careful because this might come across as disrespectful.

Yeah, I'm bracing myself.

Can we please go back to Sam's idea of the one year pant I'm like, how much money have you had every single minute of your life that you five pants?

And you think I'll have these for this year.

No, no, No, you're thinking, what is that?

It's different for guys, but I don't know what are you doing?

It's not that I actually it's it's like, it's sort of like how I think I'll get there in fifteen minutes, no matter where it is.

Yes, it's like I don't if someone put a gun to my head and it was like, how long will these pants last?

Obviously I don't think one year, Like I'll be like, I don't know anywhere between the three and four years.

But I think I'm shocked.

For me, the default is my lifetime.

Anytime anything has happened to any piece of clothing, it's like, it's it's unbearable to me.

You're wearing clothes that you owned seven years ago.

Mmmm.

Definitely some items and definitely like if I can't like if I've lost them or there's some kind of stain or something.

It's very confusing to me and distressing.

Trying so hard not to bring agent to this because you know that's in the back of my mind.

No, I'm like, what will happen?

What will happen when you in the next back, throughout the next way, throughout.

The No, I'm not even talking about that happens.

That does happen, course, But what happens is as you get older Jesus Christ, shoot me, is that you have these periods where suddenly you wake up and you're like, oh, no, I need to I need to grow up, like and it's like it'll happen first when you're like twenty seven, twenty eight, and it'll happen like another time in your early thirties and you'll just be like, I can't be wearing this kind of thing, like this is this is coming across as unseerious.

Oh I've been feeling from day one.

Yeah, it gets really hard to plan for the future, which is why like not that I wear it for only one year, but I think only about the year.

Like I'm sort of like I will have these pants for the year, and then after that I will find ways to use them, but they won't be my pants.

Of the every single photograph of myself from the past, I'm like, you were going through something, And which is why the older I get, the more basic I'm like, okay, so we need clean lines.

The shape of your body should not be visible in any way, and everything should be blue and black.

I mean, I totally agree.

Like I'm not giving that today, But lately I've been wearing a style that I describe as sack non binary.

Where I got you guys bed Threads dot com as these linen pants made from the same material as they make their amazing bed sheets, and it's just oh, sack, and then you just get a top.

It's just another sack right on top.

And see, here's what's going to happen, or here's what happened to me.

Okay, you have that realization the first time, and you think you can make it work with Uniclo.

Big mistake.

So that is five years right there, trying to it.

Started on Uniclo.

You will it's shrunk by the time you walk out of the store.

Yes, And by the time you get onto the subway, it's actually it's gone.

You you're sure you might as well donate it.

No, the back disappears, the bag it's auto donates and yes, exactly, and you have to put all the clothes in that little weird ai bin where it like calculates the cost.

So first you try to make it work with unclothe that last five years.

Then you're like, well, I have to throw all of this away because it actually has been trash from the moment I paid for it, and it fits not only poorly, but it actually makes me literally aware of insecurities I never even knew I had.

And so then you start all over and you try to make it work using kind of vintage clothing from the nineties.

You have some chops to get that.

Yeah, cool, How disrespectful was.

I'm glad you asked.

I'm trying to gauge on a scale of one to ten, because I think what's tough is baseline.

I'd say it wasn't that it was like a four, okay, four out of ten okay, But but I'm sort of like, I don't feel that I defended myself properly, Like I actually like I accepted the disrespect in a way that I should have deflected the disrespect a little bit better.

You're catching us in an insecure moment.

I think for most to both of us are kind of someone.

I'm like, someone needs to step up and be the top a little.

Bit because that I am sensing like I don't think any of us are well right now.

And what is it?

Stop leaving me voicemails?

I mean, for me, it's an ideation, Like, how about for you guys, the ideation of suicide.

Oh, it's just like specifically, it's.

What it's too soon to bring that up with.

Then, is that your straight topics suicide pants?

Well, it's sort of.

I think what's complicated about the ideation is that I was thinking that you're gonna say, like, what's causing the ideation, and you're like you're just saying like there's no matter the cause I have the ideation.

Whereas I thought the issue was the ideation, like thinking of straight topics, the like ideating thing of straight topics was what was stressing you out?

I mean the ideation I love in general.

The ideation will be a great one person show for you.

Well, because it can mean a lot of things, because there's also the ideation of like a better future.

Yeah, and there's also ideating like in a wardroom out of startup, it's like we have to do the big launch, and so we have to ideate a plan.

You can idate about all kinds of things.

Yeah, I mean, how much would it help my life if I ideated about other stuff.

And the methods with which I got to come myself?

Can I tell you guys, I've had this like, whenever I get really bummed out, I sing this song oh please.

I started when I was walking dogs and when it would be like raining and cold, I would go, I'm going to fucking kill my stuff.

I'm going to fucking key a lot of stuff.

It's original.

I wrote it while I was walking dogs and Okay, I remember being like, this is such a good song.

How do you guys feel about suicide humor?

I think it's back you think so.

Yeah, I think we're all so nihilistic.

It's sort of like what are we gonna do?

I think it's tough because I think it's just hard to do it in a way that's interesting.

Yeah, I agree.

It's one of those things in g idiation.

I'm like, here we go, yeah, and.

Thank you for saying it, because I was like, Jesus fucking Christ.

But I'm more mean, like in the sort of like like it used to be when someone be like I'm going to kill myself, people be like, don't say that.

And now I think people are like, oh, you can say that.

So maybe that's why now I'm like, well, don't say that, you know what I mean.

Sure, it's no longer I am.

I really have done a one eighty on it, And I used to think people were so sensitive about it, and now I'm kind of like, so what is like, let's actually aim higher with gallows humor.

There are actually more grotesque things we can joke about that can that are more like uh complex than the black and white of alive dead.

No, that's totally how I feel like when I started, basically probably like one of the first dan of jokes I ever wrote was me going on stage and being like, Hi, I want to kill myself.

And at that time I was like, oh, here I go.

Now it's like you and everybody Anthony, yeah is in the ditch in the ditch he was watching that immediately killed himself.

They want to got him.

But now, yeah, we need more interesting humor about death.

Is death even taboo anymore?

You know what I mean?

Right right?

Like, yeah, like is anything taboo?

So this is the thing.

It's like, when religion is no longer uh sacred, when institutions are no longer sacred, what is the thing that you want to take down?

As someone who is doing like radical art, Like what what are what are you trying to undercut?

This is a stretch.

Yeah, this is a stretch.

Is sincerity taboo?

Oh so it's wait, so if sincerit's taboo, then the radical thing would be to be sincere.

Yeah, now that's interesting.

David Foster Wallace Alert.

So, like, where did you get.

That idea that sincerity's taboo?

Did somebody make fun of you?

No?

I feel that.

I just it's like not in vogue in any way.

I feel Oh, it's like it's like quick, a quick path to corny and and so I think it's like it's not like taboo, like I'm offended, but I do you think it's a little taboo of like they're not cool?

Yeah?

But is that when someone does it, Well, I'm like, wow, you managed, how the hell did you do that?

Yeah, I'm I'm I'm I hear that.

I hear that.

But that's funny because that almost makes it even more taboo.

It like has to be earned, Like to do it on its own is like the ultimate sin to actually be like I like modern family.

Well, well I do like modern family, but it's see, we can't do it because when we say when like literally, there's no way for you just saying I like modern family is itself a.

Joke, Yes, because you have a mustache, because.

It's like, what do you mean you're you're one of you're one of the weirdest guys we've got.

Well also, of course you're doing the like ironic hipster mustache thing of like it's even more cool that you like modern family than it would be if you liked ariast because it's like so funny.

Right, Maybe I'm still distracted by the ideas, But I'm like, I think, you know, I think, like if you tried, I think maybe it's in the delivery.

Of or maybe there's like maybe maybe.

You guys, maybe there's maybe there's like elements of social code that I don't get, Like I think I hid I do the thing of being like I'm an immigrant.

It's like, right, but you've lived here like pretty much your entire life.

I'm like, if you.

Said I like modern family, I'd be.

Like, great, oh you're saying you wouldn't take that as like.

A But also I don't know stuff what no like culturally.

That doesn't sound right, that doesn't sound right to me.

I feel that I struggle, what.

Do you think that is?

What do you think what is a resoning?

Someone brought up that you didn't know were like a reference you're not familiar.

With, like everything, like everything, let me think, let me think the quest question.

Like if I'm like spice girls, I can't picture them.

You can't picture the Spice girls.

Now that's interesting.

Sorry to attack you.

No, is this helping?

Is this helping?

My claim?

So that is actually I really tell you what.

Their races are.

Really, I don't know if we should put this on air, Like.

I no, no, this is really amazing stuff.

And also, okay, I want to say one thing.

Disrespect is huge for you.

Yeah, you're like, it's it's an interesting lens through it to see interactions like because I think here's a theory, I'm like, and I'm working through this as I say it.

I wonder if one of the things that is a real personality trade for each person is the one thing they fear most going into a social interaction.

I think for some people it's shame.

For some people, think it's some people it's embarrassment.

For some people, it's like ignorance, like the fear that you'll be caught not knowing something.

For some people, it's like awkwardness, like just the fear of an awkward silence is so much more top of mind than the fear of, you know, having food in your teeth or something.

For some it's.

Coming across a certain way, like across as condescending or coming across as silly or whatever, and I'm learning that for you, it's like coming across as disrespectful.

That's that is a big part of it.

I will say.

The underside of the fear of disrespect is the shame that I'm carrying through each and ever interaction.

Are you guys not afraid of disrespecting people?

It's I certainly it's not my top it's it's not I don't want to it's not top five.

Have you recently felt disrespected, because I think it's also a bit orry.

Fearing being disrespected is different than fearing your disrespectful.

But I think part of my fear of disrespecting people comes from every once in a while, I do feel disrespected, and.

You feel how bad that feels.

So you're like, I wouldn't want to do that to someone else.

It's a bit of that.

Yeah, Sometimes though, being disrespected can like unlock a like revenge fantasy for me where I'm like, if I disrespect and I'm like, you maybe disrespected me now, but checking with me in three years when I am the biggest singer in the.

World, like, and that's motivating.

I would actually go even far.

That's motivating, motivating.

Sorry, I thought you made up a word.

For a second, I was like, I need to hear more.

Oh gosh, I wish.

I would go farther than what you're saying, which is when I am disrespected in conversation, I e.

It's so weight off my shoulders because I no longer have to impress this person or or or keep the volley going, you know what I mean, Like because I they have broken the social contract.

They have disrespected me, so I don't have to maintain a level of civility.

Okay, can I tell you why I disagree?

Wait, but go, we'll save mine.

It's also if you are feeling self conscious in a space of like does anyone here disrespect me?

And then if someone's disrespectful, then you're kind of like, see I was right.

Oh okay, let me Yeah, okay.

I'm going to bring in an element that I'm realizing right now.

It's very true.

There's an element of disrespect that is tense to me.

In a way that's a bit horny and a bit exciting.

Oh and I think.

That's also like actually to break it down, when I'm saying, like I'm about to say this and I might disrespect you, like that is a method.

Of flirting to me, this makes so much sense to me.

And so you saying that it makes you pull back.

I'm like, oh, no, my strategy's maybe not working.

Well, No, I would never happen with you because I have I assume the best intentions with you.

I'm saying if i'm and also when I'm.

Going there's playspect versus.

Yeah, well of course, but even further than play, there's just like it can be genuine disrespect coming from a friend.

But you're like, okay, but I know what you were trying to say, Like, it's it can someone people have friends of mine or people I like have disrespected me, and I have a moment where I'm like do I want to get mad?

And I'm like, no, you just you overlook it and it's fine, but you know when it's coming from a negative place.

Of course, the horniness of disrespect I do kind of get.

But you were doing it in like a because we never met it's like a fun way to be like, we're actually much closer than you think, Like, yeah, yeah, and I do appreciate it for that what that is.

And I do feel, of course I'm in a parasocial relationship with you.

Like you guys hung out with your own friends yesterday.

I was like, oh, they didn't.

Think to invite me.

Okay, noted, I'm free.

But.

So I you have felt disrespected in the past, this is why you fear disrespecting others.

I don't think it's the main reason.

Yeah, but it's one of the reasons.

Is it, Like, did you grow up in a household where disrespect.

Was a huge Here we go, here we go.

Well that's the main reason, of course, Yeah, clear as day.

Yeah, yeah, yes, And I think I also maybe one of the things I ought to unlearn.

I think I do.

But it's also.

Oka I feel like this is also like a Gonian or even like colonial British lens through which I view the world that when I walk into a room, I am kind of assessing various social hierarchies.

Huh.

I'm like, this is your podcast.

Yeah, I'm a guest on your podcast.

I've already wronged you guys probably one, two, three, four, four to six ways already and you know we're just getting started.

You're older than me, you're privatised.

Yeah.

So, but I would say, I mean, I also I don't.

I also am like hierarchy brained, yeah, and I don't like sometimes I wish I wasn't like I hate that.

I'm like walking to his space and I'm like, okay, they have this, they have this, I have this, and I'm like, oh, it makes me feel bad.

Okay.

Something I will say about more broadly our industry is, on the one hand, it is disorienting that at any given point the hierarchies can change, quote unquote.

On the other hand, I actually fundamentally find it kind of nice that it's not so rigid.

I mean, it can be really disorienting if suddenly a nineteen year old I've never heard of I hear that they are the number one touring comedian in the country, right because.

They apply gotten TikTok er.

Yes, that is obviously a little disorienting, but like, would I rather live in that buy that, like the ticket sales?

Does this ticket sales speak for themselves?

Yeah, but that person still isn't above me.

In the hierarchy.

Oh, I see what.

You're No, that's true.

This is something that I find particularly complicated not to go there.

Oh my god, he's there now as a listener.

You know what he's gonna.

Okay, Because it's just like people love to be like, no, you're lower in the hierarchy because they are they have this job, and I'm like, well, you misunderstand.

I don't respect that job, and and I'm like, I'm actually interesting, and so they're like, it's like an interesting there's something where I'm like, which is part of maybe why I don't fit in.

I don't feel like I fit in over there because I don't believe in that hierarchy.

Completely agree.

And that's also a place where I get disrespectful where I'm hierarchy brain.

But it's my own higher yes, totally totally, and it's not the one that others have agreed to.

And so when you are when you okay, this is interesting, this is interesting, This is interesting.

Oh what a relief?

Could you imagine?

What the podat?

Do you have anything else?

Yeah?

This is quite boring.

You have fear disrespecting people that in your personal hierarchy are higher than you.

I think so, And I think there's also gosh even to go here.

I think there's a bit of sick satisfaction in elevating someone from the hierarchy or from a place.

Do you know?

Do you see what I'm saying?

Like where someone?

I like the feeling of giving reverence to someone who's maybe not expecting it from me.

Whoa?

Whoa?

Do you think we weren't expecting it from me?

Well?

Were you expecting it from me?

I didn't know what to expect.

I was just coming in with an open mind and saying, people love Joe.

Yeah, people do love Joe.

I was expecting it a little bit.

But I love that it's third person.

Know, first of all, we love Joe, but also I was expected litterally because we've talked about how.

You are, so I knew.

I knew that coming.

Ah.

If we hadn't talked about that, then I'd be like, well, they might not even know who we are, and that's also fine, and that's also valid.

And maybe in your personal hierarchy, were kind of footage not found because we're neither lower nor higher.

No, if a Brooklyn comedian doesn't know about you, guys, I don't thank you for specifying.

Thank you for specifying that.

So see and how fun was that?

Yes, and that was playful disrespect and it's also true and it's also true like yeah, no, the way that it's night and day.

Sorry, oh my god, sorry, yeah what the way that?

The way that what?

We're just mad at me?

And he's right, this is boring, but it's just like the way that in Los Angeles, I'm like constantly disrespected.

You don't realize sometimes is that so many LA based people are listening to everything you're saying, and they're like writing on a little piece of paper, putting in their back pockets.

They're saying, this is how Sam feels about all of us.

You are speaking when you're on the podcast, you're speaking as though you're talking to a friend, and you're gossiping about all the people in LA.

You have no idea that it's all going back to them, because you know what they're all doing.

They're texting in group chats.

That's their number one form of entertainment over there.

Meanwhile, they should be focusing on the TV shows.

I've never been to LA.

I wonder about their lifestyle that they have.

Over We can't get into it because they're listening.

And also because approximately seventy percent of our.

Podcast is theizing about the lifestyle with people in LA.

Can I say something please?

Part of me doesn't believe you when you say you don't know the Spice girls.

That's interesting.

I'm I and I and now I'm really sorry to be disrespectful because I hate that my mind goes there and it shows that I am distressful with people, and it shows that I I'm looking around and I'm like, okay, so who's being fake and who's being real?

I know I know what to say to you.

I know what to say to you.

I can admit a moment when I have lied in order to convince you that now I'm telling.

You the truth.

Okay, okay, okay.

The other day I posted you said we should talk about this.

I posted on my Instagram.

Story this was crazy.

Actually, go ahead, I said, I said, girl, why did I just find out who Natalie Portman is?

It was a video that I saw Natalie Portman doing a door ad in the Brussels airport and then I said, girl, I thought this was Molly Shannon.

Now here's my question for you.

Sixty percent true?

How is that sixty percent you had heard the name but didn't sixty percent true.

I'm a storyteller.

I'm a storyteller.

You think I haven't seen that movie where she plays the bird black Slaw.

So okay, But but did you not know her name or you had heard the name but had an associated.

With that face.

No, I knew the name and I knew the face, but I forgot and then imagine my But then who's in my head instead?

Molly Shannon comedian And then I'm in the airport, I'm seeing this video.

I was like, the hell is that?

Okay?

And then we and then it's you know, I would say, I'm very practiced in the art of going viral on Instagram stories day in, day out.

A lot of people don't know you can go viral on Instagram stories.

I didn't know.

It's not a shareable media.

Actually, if we could monetize Instagram stories, I would live a one year pant kind of a lifestyle.

Having my pants for many years.

By the way, I just I want the record.

I feel like the facts are getting lost.

My pants are lasting four years.

One of my pairs of jeans has lost all form in a cool way where it's now like just bag baggy, and I wear those all the time still, but a cowboy boot with those, that's a fun look.

The other pair, which was the the Kreme de la Krem imagine, Yeah, and and they've lost their form in a way that's just formless and bad.

It looks a little saggy, it.

Looks a little no, I assume it looks a little bad.

In the butt, it's I.

Have a parent.

I have beans that I only wear at home.

They're actually so stretchy that they're almost like sweatpants.

Now.

And if you ever had a doubt that your clothing can literally make your body look different, when I tell you my butt looks literally as flat as a board, it's it's it's like an optical illusion.

Like it's almost like if I was cast as a character of guy with flat ass, I would look amazing.

In those pants.

What's your dream role?

My dream roll guy with flat ass?

What is my dream role?

It's a quiz question.

Okay, here's a podcast.

Yeah, I want you to be in a Bond movie as like the guy who the guy who introduced all the gadgets.

Oh that's good, I could cool.

I don't have a lot of range as an actor, but I definitely could do a sort of pretty even keeled performance with one.

Oh look at that?

Can I?

Well, I don't know how much I want to dig into the Spice girl's business because I think I might get very I fear the vitriol of the internet.

I do want to ask.

We don't have angry fans or angry listeners.

I will say your listeners are loving, but they could what if they appear from somewhere else?

Or I can't be like because I'm putting other people in my group.

There needs to be bravery sending people's podcast clips to my friends.

Sometimes it's better to be talked about than not talked about.

Oh yeah, that's what we keep finding out.

So what was?

What?

What say more about this?

But you also just can't be You can't be thinking people on the internet are going to be mad at me.

Otherwise you'll never say anything interesting in your life.

And I'm not saying you all of us?

Okay, I needed that bit of with you.

Yeah, God, what the spikes cross?

Yeah?

What are they?

Okay?

I'm assuming these are three women?

Incorrect?

Yeah you have one market?

Yes, guess like, like, what country are they from?

Well?

I was going to ask you, what are the races on these women?

What country do you think they're from?

I think that's an easier start.

By golly, I hope the United States.

You are lying?

Are you lying so bad you can't say?

By golly, I hope the United States and have us believe you.

This is what I say that I lied about Natalie portmant a bit.

Yes, but now you're not going about this question.

Yes, because that was an instance where you know, I forgot who she was for a second, but I figured she looks a bit like Molly Shannon, and people will enjoy this.

I just want to say, for the record, she looks nothing like and we have to be honest about.

That, like I love what you're doing, like.

I love Molly Shannon, and I love Natalie Cortman, and I of course love Dior.

But we have to kind of fight back against this new stereotype that Natalie Cortman looks like mal Shannon has never been.

Are you okay?

To me?

She just looks like a slightly we could be Mally Shannon's cousin.

Well, I look that much like you, don't.

They don't look like I like to you, I think they.

Are all Little Bob's.

I mean they could be they could play they could play relatives.

They could play relatives.

Think our song?

Yes, did Bob?

So the color be the ball?

I know about that?

Okay, Okay, they could play relatives.

Okay, Okay, so you agree they look similar?

So do you don't?

Do you know?

What?

Do you know any Spice Girls music?

Jesus, so they're not from the United States.

There's I actually I keep wanting to tell you about them, but I I sort of want to not I don't want to.

I'm not going to answer any questions about that.

Gosh, oh my gosh, listeners, here's my defenses.

I grew up in like a Kimmy Schmidt kind of a situation.

What was your situation anymore?

But also only for comfortable.

Sure, I wasn't allowed to watch a lot of stuff, No, that's fair, and consume a lot of stuff, and a lot of it was like under the radar, and a lot of my cultural references during my upbringing.

Or one VHS tape of Oliver Twist the musical mm hmm.

Are the Spice Girls and Oliver Twists?

You know, they're actually closer to Oliver Twists than you would then to Natalie Portman.

Yeah, that is amazing.

Yeah, it's really cool.

It's really cool.

And how many five?

Yeah, there's five.

And three of them are white or sorry, four of them are white and then they have they have one black one great and unfortunately you're not going to like this.

Oh no she died.

No, okay, she is scary.

Sp They're all named blank spice.

She is named scary spice.

So there's baby spice, ginger spice, Posh spice, sporty spice.

They're all white.

Scary spice is black.

To break that used to.

Is honestly like amazing, Like this is really interesting, and I'm actually if you need a moment.

We can Jesus grant that's you because we've had decades to process.

And it was always weird.

It was always weird, and like it was weird as.

A kid, yeah, and I was like, that's confusing, Yeah, it's it's it's and as.

A kid, but there was like a justification, they would say when we were kids, like they were like, well, because she.

I always felt the justification was which is obviously not true, that she Melby somehow like chose it for herself and was like I love being scary.

Yeah, because she was like because she because she like wore leopard print.

Yeah, so in that sense, she was scary, like a deadly cat would be.

Even that's a bit of a stretch, obvious it was at But if she in a world where she chose it, where they were like, you can each choose your quality and she chose scary, that would almost be a reclamation of it or something, or it would just be her being like, yeah, my personality is that.

I'm like, yeah, yeah, But of course that's obvious.

It was obviously a sun must have been a sign.

That's what we're doing now is like what we were talking about with Maggie, where sometimes you watch a classic movie for the first time as an adult and you want to talk about it with people as though it's new, and everyone's like, yeah, no, I've seen Goodfellas.

It's like, it's not, Oh my god, that's happening to me so many times.

But I do love just like litigating the racism of the Spice Girl's names in twenty twenty five.

I'm curious too, so I get I understand the sort of raised in Kimmi schmidt ViBe's thing, Like were you going to like parties with other kids, like birthday parties or anything like roller rink parties like that type of thing, because that is where you would have heard Spice.

Girl songs on occasion.

I was allowed at the if.

You went to like the pool for someone's eighth birthday.

Right, you know, I bet did the Spice Girl saying y'all, I'll tell you what, well, what that's that guy?

Okay, you're killing it me.

That was amazing.

But I guess I just maybe I wasn't seeing the videos, but those were amazing.

Because I mean they also were before you were born, and.

I was I was afraid that's a huge past age.

Yeah, no, of course.

And I do think that, like even things that are visually iconic, like even for us, like I'm sure people would be shocked that we don't know certain things about Michael Jackson, George Michael even well.

I know plenty about both.

I'm just but I think, yeah, I'm like New Kids on the Block, I don't.

Know exactly about exactly.

I know nothing about New Kids on the Block.

Uh, I know nothing about the generation of TV shows before like Melrose Places.

Yeah, people loved reference Melrose Places, and I go okay, I'll tell.

You one thing.

I barely know Gilmore Girls.

Oh honey, I know gil Morals.

That was our era, Like that wasn't our era.

I know because it was on the TV when I came home from school, Yeah, before my parents got home, you see.

Because they make maybe they turn that filth off of course.

Yeah, no, same.

That's why I was with Tiara because it was on for the exact hour that I was home before my parents got and I was like, oh, yeah, I love that Hillarya video.

Wait, these are the two things I want to say.

One is about something related to the Spice Girls, and one is going back to a quick sack to our discussion of hierarchy.

I remember something I was going to say, is that allowed?

Yes?

Thank you?

That's a nonlinear okay.

Yeah.

Oh I love what you guys do with time.

Everyone does with the meta elements I get.

Oh, I go, okay, do you guys know about Say Now, Say Now?

Yes?

They're they're a British multicultural trio girl group.

Okay, and they're not sugababes.

They're say Now Baby Okay.

They they're completely fabulous.

You need to listen to their music and it's so exciting to me to learn about the Spice Girls because I love say now so much.

I've been thinking what I gosh, I wish there were more of this.

You should check out Sugara Babe for Mothers and Sugar Babes.

Yes, Sugar Babes girls allowed, Little Mix waited, little Mixed.

British yet little mix like could we be sorry?

No?

No, and you're right and thank you and thank you for saying that, because at some point you have to draw the line.

We need to be called in something.

Yes.

Yeah, So.

I have a question for you in terms of just wait, there was a second thing.

About the second thing, oh, hierarchy.

Oh the thing I wanted to bring up is did you guys know this?

I was going to attend medical school and I can't quite tell, but I think part of that is that the hierarchy was comforting to me, well, of course, and to instead be an entertainment where hierarchies are yeah, free flowing, changing often in ways that don't resonate with me.

I think it is stressful.

I could not agree more.

And I think we probably grew up in I don't know that's similar, but in the same realm of an environment.

Where we've had.

It sounds like parents that cared about academic achievement and competence and who's valedictorian and who's and who's not, And.

It is the way they were hungry.

Yes, and it is.

Something that I think intellectually I can let go of and be like, I know that's not how the world works, but it's so deeply ingrained in me that literally every time something happens that disturbs the hierarchy, I'm like, that's not right.

I mean, this is even there's something about hierarchy, this thing where we talk about, like specifically the new gay guy, where it's like, what is so concerning about the new gay guy is that there was a hierarchy.

And now with the new gay guy, I'm like, okay, so am I bumped down?

Like so do they love him more?

Oh?

That's so funny.

I almost feel because.

He's new and so now I'm not I'm even less new than I was.

I feel like that there's something with the new gay guy that actually is as much as it's disorienting, it is comforting.

Sounds like from a South new gay guy.

Yeah, I'm from pop on you gay guy, it's actually comforting because you're like, oh good, I get to I get to take climb one more notch.

Not in the sense that I am higher of higher value by any means, because God knows, I'm not funny.

The value just goes down.

Value just goes.

Down more so that I'm actually higher and can look down and have more context.

It's like when I'm physically higher on the ladder, I just am able to like relax more because I'm not so overwhelmed by what's happening around because I'm higher and I'm looking down right, I think so.

To me, it's less ladder and more line where you are.

Like when you're in the back of the line, you're like, this sucks.

But when you're in the middle of the line, there's people both in front of people behind you, You're like, okay, now I'm just in line.

This is so much more comforting.

And the line is how is the chronological order of gay guys?

Yes, exactly.

And when you're in the middle of the line, you're like, well, this line is pretty much a party, Like we're all like chatting.

I'm meeting you people.

I don't have the daunting task of waiting in a giant line.

But I also don't have the anticipation of, oh my god, we're about to enter.

I'm just like comfortably in the middle.

Yeah, I think the line is all about who's in line with you?

So true?

Oh my god?

Should we do our for a segment?

We should have?

And of course, you know it's so tough about la.

It's like I was the new gay guy.

Oh my god, and like that was really hard to me.

You are still the new gay who's surpassed you.

You're scared to say, No, let's you're gonna show me pictures?

No, no, no, let's let's just do our first segment.

You guys than.

Gosh, Oh my god, I'm seeing such sad.

No, it's just like I was like a crash was coming.

You know, I've been so manic.

You think a crash is happening now?

Yeah, I think it's happening on it.

No, I'm kidding.

Okay, this will be good, this will be to clip.

What do you think it is?

No, it's fine, Let's do our first segment.

Okay, it's the Falafel.

Joe, our first segment.

That you're upset.

I'm like finally can relate to you.

The ideation is coming.

The ideation God, I love that, Joe.

If you want oh, that's the same song, if you want to.

Be okay, Yeah, yes, what other song?

What's heisty?

Yeah?

Hold tight?

Yeah?

Having a good.

Sounds great?

Yeah, and the man.

Then there's then there's there's two become one.

To become one.

You're gonna love it.

Yeah, they're really good.

You're really gonna have fun.

Are they still out and about?

They pop in the theunions every now and they are probably fifty.

Oh, come on, come on, they can still do They dance, They.

Ride around in little cars sometimes.

Yeah.

I think you want specific performance from the Yeah.

Yeah.

So first Ginger Spice left the group, and then there were four of them and they released one And this was like in like two thousand and one.

They were there were four of them, and they released one more album just the four of them.

Then they broke up completely.

Then they united all five of them, and I want to see like two thousand and eight and why did.

Wasn't there a lesbian thing?

There were rumors that there was a lesbian thing.

Ginger Space now is dating some sort of like race car driver and has like rebranded as kind of no like straight male race car driver, and she has rebranded as kind of like conservative sports wife, like buttoned lacoste dress up to hear, you know, like perfectly done hair on the sidelines, being like I'm rooting from my man kind of thing and potentially even politically conservative, although I don't I haven't done my research there, of course.

Victoria Beckham married David.

Beckham, card the shop at lacost.

Yeah, Victoria Beca married David Beckham.

Hushsh space.

Does David Beckham ring a bell as a name?

Yes, it took like that I was disrespectful.

No it was.

No, you're curious in some fear.

I believe I know who that is.

Yes, let's wear a first segment.

Okay, let's do our first segment.

Okay.

First thing is called straight Shooters, and in this one, we're going to ask you a series of rapifire questions.

It's basically this thing or this other thing, and the only rule is you can't ask any follow questions or we.

Will scream at you can't get me.

Okay, let's begin.

Madison Square Garden or Marcia gay Harden.

Madison Square Garden, Diet Mountain Dew or the Taming of the shrew shrew.

A musical prodigy or a beautiful pair.

Of feet, musical prodigy icons only or my phone's lonely?

What check republic or check the mug bitch?

Oh?

Can they tie?

Sure?

Oh but I got to you.

Oh so it's a tie.

Yeah, this one's gonna well, I'm allowed to ask a question Susan Lucci, Stanley Tucci, Armando via Nucci or Dakota Johnson's stuns and Gucci.

Oh, Stanley Tucci, because I'm proud I know who that is.

Okay, going on, do not disturb or being on to catch a predator?

I'm going on, do not disturb?

Stars and stripes or chasing likes?

Chasing likes?

Wow?

Wow?

What's more bad?

The stars and stripes or the culture of chasing likes?

And it's sort of like, can you have one out the other?

Can you have one without the other?

Fuck?

We rate our guests performance on a scale of zero to one thousand doves.

And that's that.

Because anyone ever caught zero dogs?

Mmm, I don't think anyone has gotten zero.

I'm sure we've tried me with Max or something.

Oh yeah, he's like my favorite.

Well we were with him yesterday and we were talking about you.

I'm kidding, would you have would you have preferred if we were talking about you?

Or would that have scared you?

Oh?

Both?

But I would have preferred it.

Yeah.

Yeah, well I think you got nine hundred nine yay doves.

I agree?

What it's crazy?

Actually, I think there was just a calm annoying.

I think you were tastefully dominating.

Can I take my shoes off?

Is that crazy?

No?

I love that side saddle.

Oh now okay, this is called her daddy?

Now?

Yeah?

Yeah, see how much I don't?

Now that's crazy and I know Spice Girls, but to no Alex Cooper.

Okay, so I didn't know her, yes, isn't well?

Like if you were like who hosts called her your daddy, I'd be like, I don't know.

I do think it's I do think it's indicative of mental illness that I know.

No, it's not your fault.

It's a systemic issue.

It's like in our world we should all know the name of like the first woman doctor, but instead we know the name of Alex Cooper.

Really, and that's not our fault.

But also is it how much do we have free will?

How much are we supposed to fight against the system that produces us.

I don't know, dang, what is your topic and what's straight about it?

Oh?

My topic is going home?

Yeah, which I love.

Thank you, and say a little more like what do you mean when you mean when you say going home?

Oh?

Okay, I see, I see, I see.

We're all hanging out.

Night has fallen, things are winding down.

I think the straightest thing you can do, pat your thought, guy, pat your back pocket, reach for your bag.

Well, I'll be going now where are you going?

Yeah?

But also are you call me?

Pat your thighs?

Pat your back pocket is so evocative because it is it's like this constant checking of like am I put together?

God forbid?

Anything is out of place?

Like I have to be one unit at all times.

I have to be.

I can't risk, you know, being away from my phone, wallet and keys, and I need to Already I was pushing it because I was out of my house.

Thank god, I get to go back.

But you know what else it is, it's essentially before you do it years tapping the glass, you're essentially saying like I'm about to make a statement, I'm going to go home.

M hmm, Like you're like, oh, I gotta go home.

Yeah, it's also your t You're like, am I still human?

Do I still count in the census?

Oh?

Thank god.

I was worried that I had spent too much time with my community and potentially had become, you know, one of a mass of people, like a potentially create change, one of the worst things that I could possibly do.

Thank God, I'm still an individual and can go home and sit on a couch by myself.

I hate when people go home so much.

There's like a point of a hang that if I feel it winding down, I don't I don't want to move a muscle because there's a point of a hang where it's like, I don't know, It's like it's it's it's two forty six am.

If someone gets up to pee, by the time you come back from the bathroom, everyone's gone.

Yeah.

So there's a certain point where it's like we're all.

Just kidding, none listening.

Joe is holding a gun, Joe's mining holding a gun, which I do understand what you're saying.

It's like you feel everyone getting antsy and you're like, I'm not ready for this one.

Just relax, Yeah, Stacy I'll fucking put on a music video.

Oh, I'll put on a music video.

Say your favorite YouTube video?

Now, thank you?

Okay, I have a little theory about this.

Okay, thank you.

People.

The default is house and the exception is out boo.

For gay people, the default is out, the exception is house.

It's like a gay person goes, a gay person is alone in the house, They're like, oh god, this doesn't feel right, Like what's going on?

Like, what's everyone?

What's what's everyone doing?

Let me text the group chat, let me see what events?

Oh did I miss a party?

Fle invite?

Surely I must have because it's Friday at eight thirty and I am not on my way to something.

Hello.

Whereas the straight thing, my favorite classics are like cliche thing is when a straight person will be like like almost pretend they don't know what going out is like, and they'll be like, I haven't been out past I haven't been out past to eight and in sixteen years.

I'm like, I don't even know where people eat at restaurants.

I don't I don't know what that is.

It's like and it's a very kind of and I do not want to stigmatize new moms because it's a new it's definitely like.

Well, it's definitely a kids.

It's like a i'll stigmatize.

I think it's it's valid.

We need a change.

It's valid for new moms because I understand that if you're a new mom, you're not going out to the club.

But then there are people that are not new moms that are using that language as though they're new moms.

Oh my god, you know what I mean.

Oh my god.

It's like how people are using therapy language to talk about just like things that aren't therapy.

If you're saying, oh god, nine thirty is late for us these days, that's okay if you're a new mom and I and I'm literally like, yes, do you need me?

I will pay for your uber Do you need me to babysit if you want to maybe go to a restaurant.

But if you're just thirty five and don't have kids and have a normal job, you should be ashamed of not.

Going nine thirty.

I have a couple thoughts on the new mom yeah issue, So just you know, just to stay right off the bat like new moms like, I love them, I respect them deeply, deeply.

What is the deadline or when you stop being new.

Yeah, when you stop being a new mom.

This is interesting, I would almost say.

I mean, there's also sorry, go ahead, there's something about like I think you're a new mom until they're in school.

There's also a sort of necessary class analysis here, which is like, yeah, if you have money for constant childcare at any given point, you can go back.

To go and give me money for nanny.

Do you even count as a mom?

Just kidding, just kidd jk everybody, But I do agree with you that it's like you are still a new mom when the kid is sixteen, because each time the kid ages, you are a new mom of It's like, well, I'm a new mom of an eleven.

Year old when I was a new mom of a ten and a half year old.

Like that is a completely parent.

It's like, there's no, I'm sorry, you're telling me parenting an infant is going to prepare you for parenting a teen.

How name one similarity?

Really smart, really name one similarity.

That's like saying, oh, yeah, I took a bike ride, so now I'm going to go skydiving.

Are you listening to yourself?

It's funny, Yeah, yeah, it's really good.

Wait, but the thing about being a new mom to an infant, doesn't the infant, Like I feel like infants don't know about day and about night.

Yes, they can barely see.

So I'm like, I like, take the baby to the club with you a bit, or if to go home early, like it's.

It's, oh, okay, this is interesting.

If your kid needs to like wake up and go to school.

I almost understand that you're saying.

You're saying that moms should party more before preschool.

I think, so I like take advantage of the sort of.

Time makes sense.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

So obviously the thing there not to take what you're saying too literally.

The thing there is that babies are going to be crying.

You're going to be disturbing the peace.

If you're like at a restaurant or in the club and you have a crying baby with you, Oh.

Well, that's why we need the village.

Baby.

I'm not even so much thinking about being at the like in my mind the going home issue, I'm thinking, we're we're all at home together, and I don't want people to go to their individual homes.

But I love being at the club.

Let's go oh, it's not about home.

This is like about a yeah, yeah, like your brunch yesterday, which was very like we ate and then we sat around for three hours and then we.

Took a walk.

Oh gosh, that seemed distorted.

Okay, so this is actually I understand.

Yes, it's not about clubing, it's not about going to restaurants.

It's about being with other people.

And you know what, I think, it's also like, yes, it's about age, because I think that being younger is generally a bit more homosexual to me, of course, and I think maybe like at the what's even deeper into my issue with people going home is as as I see my friends getting older and straight or there naturally is an urge to like, yeah, have a lifestyle that is just a little bit more about like having your own home, having your own couple, having your own family unit.

And I am mourning that in real time.

I really liked Gosh, I hate to say it.

I liked when it was like college, when anywhere to go because together in college.

But it is, yes, in college, there is no such thing as going home.

It's it's I mean, I miss college like like a loser missus.

High school.

I loved college so much.

Oh my gosh, get some cowboy chords over that.

I but like, I think there's something you guys, because it's the only thing it needs to be said.

There's something about there's something about when you start to have privacy, you start to become addicted to privacy, and you can almost like want privacy more, more and more, and the more you get, the more you want it.

And you're like, Okay, now I'm alone this much, and I want to be alone more, and now I want to be a little more.

And then when you're out, you're like, I'm panicking, like I haven't been out to sea in a while.

Whereas when you're so used to being out and you're so used to not having privacy, you're like, well, not having privacy for the next five hours, it's actually really easy, and I'm used to.

I mean, it's like when you stop having roommates, it's so difficult to have to go back to it for some reason.

If you have to then go back to having roommates, it's like impossible, and even for some people it's impossible to even just like live with a partner because you're like, well, I'm used to this level of privacy.

But I do think the younger versus older thing is interesting because as you get older, the home just becomes more solidified.

Whether it's because you.

Literally have more money to pay for a nicer home with nicer furniture and it's more comfortable, or because you are you start being less comfortable doing other things while people are watching, Like just the need for privacy, and so I almost think it's like a muscle that you have to exercise.

You have to like force yourself to be out of the home and to be outside otherwise suddenly you wake up and you're like, I haven't done anything in five years.

This is so.

I say, your thing yesterday the brunch where we did hang out like aimlessly for like hours, that was like, I haven't done this in genuinely many years.

It's like always like I'm over for a dinner and then you like when the dinner does its thing, then you leave, or like like I've never I haven't hung out in someone's home indefinitely in a very long time.

Yes, to me, that's the that's the path to love.

Yes, And I agree, And even this is so insane, maybe cut this, oh, but I'm like so like there's one point it was morning sort of and like there's one point when like guest number one, I won't docs went to the bathroom for an extended period of time.

Are possibilities and I'm saying like I'm saying, Okay, this diva is duking in George's house.

Someone did poop.

And then guess what.

I was like, that's amazing, Like if someone is so comfortable being here, he's duking without shame.

And then guess what I duked too, Ah, because I said I actually need to too.

And and there's we're family.

And that's a perfect example of something that like with a straight mindset, you're like, well, I'm only going to poop my own home.

But here I was like why why.

I think wouldn't even release.

It wouldn't really physically it would be impossible, but we were we were family, and I said, well, family can can do.

I also want to talk about your idea of like people slowly realizing people are people are leaving, and I think there's a fear that time outside the home is time wasted, and as the hours past, you're like, oh god, we're pushing it.

We're pushing it, We're pushing it.

I'm doing something wrong, like I have homework at home, and it's like, well, actually, realistically, you're going to go home and also not be quote unquote productive.

It's not like you're going to go home and write a novel.

Well that's really the thing where because people there are, in my opinion, excuses to go home where people will be like I have yoga in the morning.

I have.

Yeah.

First of all, not okay, so no one made you sign up for that, so unsign up?

Yes, oh I oh I have, I have, I have other plans tomorrow like oh I got I gotta be going.

But I'm just like, you can't tell the yoga like this is life.

Like there's like it's like the yoga or whatever productive thing is being held in higher esteem.

Yes, and the aimliss hanging out time And I'm like, no, sit the hell down, Yes, this is the project.

And the future is being privileged over the present more like I'm actually currently enjoying myself without planning.

For the future.

That must be bad.

What I should be doing is opening an IRA.

It's like, no, don't, I will be there.

The caveat They need to say this is that the amount of strife and pain that I caused to my friend group is.

Like unbelievable because you force them to stay out later than they want to.

Well, that's part of that's a that's a minor part of it.

But I'm saying, like, even when we are all hanging out, I'm not making it easy for people.

Like you're being like difficult.

Yeah, Like how so.

Like I'm like going in another room and crying because I will just kind of decide that everyone doesn't like me.

Really that's fun.

But this is I actually think.

Sorry, I'm like, oh, why do people want to leave?

But I like that?

But that actually goes along with your with your more broad theory that like everything should be done communally, Like yeah, why not cry in front of other people instead of going all the way home to have privacy and be even more sad because you're not around your loved ones.

Really, and I think that's why New York is one of the only places I can live and not kill myself yacause yes, I upset all the time, but with my people.

And by the way, crying is the same as pooping.

Why are those things?

So these are two vulnerable things everyone does, and yet God forbid you do them.

The room.

You know, in the next room is your loved ones.

Yeah, why what's the worst that could happen?

One of my favorite like party memories was it was that in my bushy place and it was like I think, like a birthday party or something, and Moe shout out took me into my room and like read Tarot for me, and I just like started bawling, like like being so crazy.

And then I was like like twenty minutes of that and I was like, Okay, let's go back out, and I was like that was so fun, Like what a journey.

Oh wait, Sam, Yeah, congrats on getting absolutely married.

Thank you?

How well, how I'm sure you told everyone already how was your wedding?

But I guess I'm curious what was the end of the wedding?

Like when did people go home?

And well, that's an interesting question.

So this is interesting.

I so we I will say this the beginning, everything was successful.

Yes, the wedding was to die for.

It was really fun.

But we the bar we went to for like an after drink I didn't love and so I like, but but to be fair, I kind of left it all on the table or on the field.

Sports metaphor and so I was like not really looking to like, I was like kind of exhausted, and so I was like I had like one drink at the after place, maybe two, and then was like, Okay, I'm gonna go.

And it kind of felt like a nice excuse to be like I gotta get out of here.

But it had been you know, we'd been hanging out since like four thirty PM, and it was.

Like the idea of a wedding after party is interesting because you would think everyone would like, quote unquote finally let loose.

But the thing about weddings is that they last a really long time.

You sort of forget every time you go to one, like it is really.

Really I'm so jealous and sad.

No like knowledge.

Friends, it's gonna start happening and then it'll never stop.

It's like, so I actually enjoy this time, save up some money, you know, really invest in that ira okay, and because I would say in approximately four or five years, it's really gonna it's really gonna start and it's never gonna end because there's not even a lull.

Because basically it's straight weddings, then gay weddings, then all tho straight people get divorced, and then it's second weddings.

Oh wow, can I say something?

I won't attend unless I approve.

Oh what, unless you're reading, I.

Won't attend unless I approve of the union.

I love that it will see if I do have that.

But that might limit No, that might be my budgeting hack.

But I think you're pointing to something which is like, at some point people do have to go home, Like, yeah, inevitably, So what is the ethical way to go home?

In your dream world?

How does a hang end?

It's a great question.

My dream world, sleepover.

Breakfast.

We go to sleep at about six thirty am.

Yeah, no, that sounds fun.

We wake up about noon one pm, have brunch, breakfast, lunch.

Maybe we've left the house.

Maybe the brunch was in the house.

Then it's group reading.

Time, each person individually reading, not like reading circle.

Oh yeah, probably each because you know, I'm respecting in the morning people they want to do their own you know, just we and then slowly if you have a dinner plan.

Sure, okay, this is interesting.

So okay you allow them to leave for dinner.

No, no, But but I like what you're saying.

It's like you allow them to leave for a thing, not to prepare for it.

And then the moment you are done, you better get your ass back here.

Yeah, because we're watching music videos.

So it ends when you have the next thing.

It doesn't end when you want to like prepare for yoga or go home to brush your teeth.

Like you're like club club, club, club club.

I'll allow you to prepare for the next thing for like just like I really do want every hang to go well into tomorrow.

I really I see that.

I struggle with them.

I found myself recently being like having people over and I mean like gets to that point and you're sort of like I because you want to go to sleep, but even like so sleep.

And honestly, yeah, like.

Yeah, that is so funny.

I have a friend, I have this couple that always hosts these dinners, and one of them is known for going to bed when she's ready and when people are still there, and it's just like no, that's and it's a it's like a it's a thing, and everyone knows it.

And it's like at some point you no longer partner to help.

Yes, at some point you no longer see her, but her wife is still there and everyone's still like around and having a good time.

Oh and see it's her and a wife.

Yeah noticed that, right?

Who so do you it's they're doing?

They were doing the gay thing.

But I guess my question is I guess here's what I haven't considered.

Okay, if both wives wanted to go to sleep, would that be awkward?

Like they're both going to sleep.

I'll climb into bed with them.

I just don't see any issue at all.

Yeah, you're like everyone can can see themselves out when they're ready.

I think if you're hosting and you want to go to sleep, like grow up, just hand me the keys in case I wanted to run, and I'll be here.

Yeah, like many months ago.

I hope it's long ago that this person has forgotten.

And I think I can tell it anonymously enough that you know, if you hear this and you think it's about you, then she fits wear it.

I was hanging out with someone and we hung out until I mean, just a very plain story.

I hung up with my friend until about twelve thirty, and they were like, Okay, I'm tired.

I think you should go now.

Yeah.

I don't look at that person the same way I forgot.

This is like, no, I love this you, I don't hate it going home like you don't want to be home.

I want to hold it over their head.

But that hurt me.

Yeah, you know what I wish.

Sometimes I do wish someone will be like can I stay here?

Like I think where I get confused, it's the wanting them to leave is sort of like waiting for the other shoe to drop, where I'm like, if you're gonna break up with meing, just break up with me right Like I'm kind of like like if they were like I want to stay the night, Like I want to sleep on the couch and be like, oh great, let's have another drink and hang out.

Well, with some of my friends, we do have a sort of pattern or policy of decide, oh, because you know what, you do this with people you're dating, where you'll kind of negotiate ahead of time is tonight a sleepover or not?

I bring that into the platonic.

Really I do.

I have friends who I say, are we having a sleepover.

I do believe that bed space should just generally be easier to come by, like I think every I think there should be a way for it to be non intrusive, But like every living room basically just has Murphy beds around all the water and at any given time, you should be able to sleep six people in your apartment.

I love it.

Why are people so particular about their own beds?

Well, this is an interesting Oh, this is.

An age thing.

Huh.

This is like, I'm really like, I'm funnywhere.

You have no idea what your body is going to do, like like it's going to happen out of nowhere, and you're gonna you're gonna think it's a mistake.

You're gonna be like, oh sorry, restart restarting.

Literally, this is not mean impacts because it hurts.

Your back and here'sh.

Like and I'm really not trying to be that person.

No, it's a weak.

Yeah, I like it's tough.

Because I I have no one, no one who's believed that their body would have betrayed.

Them more than the like your back, Like the back pain is more important to you than your friendship.

I just don't think you understand.

Yeah, there's no way to theoretically understand this.

You have to live it.

It's sort of like being a new mother.

Yeah, although I think I sort.

Of get, but I feel such mental anguish in every moment of my life period.

Yeah.

Oh so that's the end of my sentence.

I'll see when I get there.

Yeah, sure, it'll be like tomorrow.

Can I ask, like, can I ask how old you are?

Oh?

Seen?

You don't know?

You have a really amazing year ahead of you.

Seventeen was my favorite year, seriously really yeah, and I would know it was only three years ago.

Seventeen was mighty pain for me.

Seventeen was bad for me too.

I have to say, can you.

Please give me advice?

I'm twenty four, and it's really.

What advice do you want?

How do I feel better?

How do you feel better?

You know?

What I think is like, just keep gunning into your career, Like I think, fill that with success.

And I've noticed that the people vice is be successful.

No, I'm kidding.

I just feel like a lot of people do that.

People are like, I know, I'll get more famous and then they are thirty six and famous and so wild to be.

I mean, I think you are investing in your relationships clearly, which is the number one thing existing in community, and that helps a lot.

I would say, you know.

You know, step outside of yourself, step outside of yourself, care about people.

Okay, can I ask you maybe a question?

Yeah?

Can we be problems solved?

Yeah?

Something.

I want to have a creative career.

I've been begging for it for so long.

I'm noticing I'm already struggling with the feeling of having eyes on me.

Yea, even people are pretty much really nice to me.

Even when people are positive and patient and caring, it's kind of stressful.

Well, the tough thing with that is that's a sign that you're normal and not a psychopath.

Because if you thought, I if that was happening to you and you were thinking, okay, good, now I feel good, that means you're literally a sociopath.

And I still think I might be.

But a different But it's a different it's a different sens.

Yeah, okay, it's just part of it.

It's also a normal It's very normal, and you'll like figure out how to deal with it in a different way.

It's also just like any job has things that are non ideal and stressful, and if you were a doctor, it would be that you would have to be like sleep deprived all the time and have to leave your family vacation because your pager went off to surgery and for the career you've chosen.

It's that occasionally it feels bad to have people got at you, or to say something inappropriate to you, or or to be over familiar, or to lie to you, or to like fundamentally misunderstand you, and then you feel this need to correct the misunderstanding.

But you have to have the inner peace to not do it, and that takes work to build that muscle so you don't.

Right back.

That actually has helped, But.

I think it's hardest when it is first happening because you don't have the tools to deal with it.

But then in an ideal world, it'll keep happening slowly and not all at once, which I do think can be like a.

A trauma.

And I have not experienced that.

I had not experienced that.

Which I legitimately am grateful for, because it seems like it would be horrible.

It seems hard.

Well, I look up to you guys because you were some of my favorite comedians and favorite artists, and you're very Oh you discussed this all the time on the podcast.

I can even name the episodes, but you're quite well adjusted about it.

Well, thank you.

That's very sweet.

It's very sweet.

Should we do our very tired of talking to me.

No, no, see now we're in a trap.

Why because we thing we've Oh.

My god, wait wait can I say something?

Actually, my god, what I've created?

I mean, do you see how it's bullying me?

Was tough?

Like what we just have to like I don't know how long?

Like the studio is even a veil, Like we're literally like past our time.

How are you doing?

Yeah, I have.

One final thing to say about going home.

Oh yeah, here's something that is teacher's pet.

And I think I do well.

Interesting, So Joe is the teacher's teacher in this are the third is always the teacher.

Interesting, It would be amazing if we were.

If you there were students they went into a class and the teacher was like, I've looked up to you guys for a while, and I just think you guys have handled it all really well, and I think you're really well adjusted to the second grade students.

That's funny, that's funny.

You know I am.

I do teach adult students.

You do, I teach stand up and public speaking?

Oh my god.

My students are all like consultants.

Oh yeah, oh god, they probably think you're so cool and they're right by.

The way, some of them, and some of them definitely are like confused.

MM, we'll let them.

Probably you have any other questions you want to ask us?

Yeah, no, that really like patted our egos in a crazy way, like completely so many.

But what I wanted to say about parties is, here's something that is.

Oh and then I and then I actually really a very real question.

Okayat here's something that is chilling.

Get ready, I'm scared.

You're at a a get together.

There's someone who has been threatening to come all night, but they were held up somewhere maybe you know, like they were at another event whatever.

Oh, they text, Okay, I could come.

Now.

How long are you guys going to be?

This is so complex?

What do you do?

This is so complex because there is a flow to a gathering, and if they are coming in at like you're at peak and they're at valley, that's gonna clash.

But also you don't know a gathering might have.

Come and can people to leave even.

Totally because the door's open, They're like, fuck, I can go out.

Isn't it funny?

Like how simple minded we can be that it is just like literally the opening of the door.

People are like the door open.

That reminds me, Yeah, I mightn't know.

Oh my god, there's outside.

This entire time there has been outside, that's been an option.

Well there's also part of you where you're like, oh, I'm being replaced, like like now they won't miss me because I'm leaving.

Someone else is coming.

Yeah.

Or then it's like, well it's not you're gathering, so you want to ask like, oh, Sam is texting?

Are we going to be here for a while.

But then the fact that you're putting them into people's heads makes everyone look at their watch be like you know, honestly.

It is actually set up my house.

So it's like you come in, you have to turn in your watch, no clocks on the walls, and I like scramble your phone.

When my apartment in Bushwick had no windows in the living room, so it literally was like you would hang out till like five am and everyone like wouldn't notice.

Yeah, And I was like it felt like a torture chamber kind.

Of I've lived in a dungeon like apartment.

What was your question?

Oh, look, we could discuss it on air, We could discuss it off air, but you guys have a relationship where you started as more so business partners than friends, and I assume you would say that now your beautiful betrothed friends.

Is there a way Okay, I'm asking from the perspective of Tessa and I want to be you and want to make a podcast.

Oh my god?

Yeah?

Is there a way that you make sure that happens.

That you remain friends or like closer?

Yeah, or like are there?

Yeah?

Are there strategies to maintaining friendship while being business partners?

Because I think we've come up even against some minor frictions of that kind of relationship and we've been able to work through them.

Cannot even stronger and think, but I want to make sure that happens if I can.

How do we maintain a healthy balance between business partnership and friendship?

I think we know the difference.

Yes, Like we don't mix.

Like we're like we need to meet to talk about this stuff, and then it's like and now we need to go to dinner.

And those are different things.

Those are different things.

That's true.

We have business meetings and then we also have a brunch.

Oh cool, And we also have dinner and we also have a gossip session.

I think we also just like I don't know, pay it like try to assume the best in both of us and sort of like I think we both are like just seeing where it goes, like the friendship thing.

We're sort of like because we have different wants and interests sometimes but sort of like but sometimes I'll come to your type of thing, right, my type of thing, but not all the time.

If we're not free.

Then yeah, yeah, I do think that's I do think that's true.

But I also would say that.

You do have to.

Lead with love.

Yeah, I do find like, yes, we separate business and friendship, but like everything i'm saying to Sam, I'm saying with love and everything i'm feeling towards him, I'm feeling in that way, and.

I think it strengthens both relationships.

I agree there's a familial commitment.

I think that is ultimately what it is.

It's it actually does feel like the way that like two brothers would start a restaurant.

Yeah, although of course it's like when two brothers start a restaurant, they're gonna they're doing.

Yeah, folks, that were when two brothers start a restaurant and they don't, I iodebris.

No that's crazy.

Imagine that's not hiring.

See how long this last?

Yeah?

Yeah for real?

Yeah, And honestly, seems pretty dramatic, even with iodebris.

Yeah, holding on by a thread.

Yeah, it's like people are yelling all the time.

There's tension, mental health issues, mental health issues.

I couldn't imagine.

I couldn't imagine.

Okay, we should do our finals.

A final segment.

So our final segment is called shout Outs.

In in segment, we pay amash to the Grand Street tradition of the radio shout out, shouting out to anything that we are enjoying.

People play these things ideas, we make them up on the spot and we go first.

I'll go first.

What's up preaks, losers and perverts around the globe.

I want to give a huge shout out to get this shaving in the shower.

I've never done this before, and as I'm staying in the Pod hotel, it's quite small, which I of course love efficiency, and but I was like, I need to shave.

It's been so long, and I like, don't know, the sink is not quite right, and I was like, maybe I'll try doing it in the shower.

Let me.

I felt like I was in a damn commercial.

I felt luxurious.

As we all know, shaving has many cultural implications for me, and it is sort of pretending I'm a masculine dad, and it's like a psycho sexual game I play with myself doing in the shower.

That was crazy and it worked like a charm.

It was easy, Oh my gosh, and I felt like this is how I should be doing it.

Although it does feel like I don't know what the rules are on wasting water, but I felt like I was wasting quite a bit of it, and I'm never sure.

I wish one would tell me when I reached the point when you've actually had enough water for the day, especially shower water, because there's no It's all very vague at this stage.

But I'm in New York and there's water out planning.

Just look outside, there's two rivers and an ocean.

So shout out to shaving the shower.

I love you, XIXO Sam.

Okay, I actually have one.

I want to give a shout out to get this two thousand and nine collection of Zadie Smith essays Changing my Mind.

Now.

This is a book I.

Attempted to read when I was in high school.

And I actually found some of the literary criticism to be challenging at the time, and I picked it back up and I am It's like, every single page is blowing my mind.

It is so fun to read.

She's so smart.

She was younger than me when she wrote it.

And I want to say about Daty Smith, I'm aware that she has fallen out of favor among certain a certain kind of you know, cool urban twenty to thirty year old.

I think people think she has in some ways sold out.

I think people find her whole kind of like anti internet, anti culture, cancel culture thing to be somehow grading.

Listen, I'm okay with people's reputations going up and down.

But to me, I trust her and I'm going to read what she writes.

And she is especially good at nonfiction in my opinion, and this book is really doing it for me.

And maybe the issue is that if she was written before the Internet and before she had before the social internet, before she had to grapple with those things.

But I am just having the time of my life and I highly recommend picking it up and honestly picking up anything written in two thousand nine.

It was an amazing time, so huge shoutout.

WHOA, that's interesting.

It's funny that someone is both anti internet culture and anti cancel whole.

It's not I'm even I'm painting in broad strokes because that's how other people are commenting on it.

I wouldn't.

I don't necessarily think either of those things are really true.

I just think, you know, it's like she's getting older like everyone else, and so she's gonna like say things that young people are rolling their eyes at.

Right.

It's like Joe not knowing the Spice Girls.

It's like not really true.

Yeah, that one would not have been truer.

I'm even regretting being like defensive.

It's like, no, I like her writing, and I don't care if someone on the internet was like she sucks.

No totally.

It's really nice to zoom out from those yeah blanket critiques.

I just you do find someone falling out it, like she was the cool writer for so long and then you just like, don't hear people loving her as much?

It doesn't matter what and what what what?

What's the listeners?

I want to give a shout out to my auntie Brenonia, because yes, what she is a sweetie, pat she is a woman pastor.

She is a woman who is a pastor, but she is also just so smart and so wonderful.

And I thought because she was a woman pastor, that her mind was was was was was was was.

Oh, I can tell what's happening, which is like, I always struggle with talking about family members in a different context.

When you're like, well, I don't want to make.

This person into a caricature for the sake of comedy, and I am trying to express love.

Thank you for saying that.

Thank you for saying that we all do accessories.

Okay, you can also just be like, shout out to my auntie cure.

That it doesn't have to be a whole thing.

I mean, you could even do accessories and then at the end and also shout out to et cetera.

Okay, okay, what's up, listeners.

Gosh, I'm excited to be here.

I'm giving a shout out to accessories because they could just completely turn a dark day into a better day.

I recently said I wanted to be cyberpunk.

I went out pictures, I looked of all all kinds of outfits.

The way that you change your styles, it's not even really about the shape of the shirt, the shape of the pant, the shape of the skirt, the length the hems.

Really, it's about the accessories.

You could have white T shirt and blue jeans and dress in any kind of freaking style that you want it.

It's just about the accessories.

Babe be, babe be.

If you just get on a newsboy cap like they wear not musical newsies, boom, you got a whole different thing.

Or if you got a pair of cowboy buoes on boom, you got a whole different thing.

Accessories are amazing, and I really wish that I knew more about them and about how to pair them in different ways.

But you know what, I've started wearing this silver cuff on my arm.

I walk in a room, people treat me differently.

I walk in the room, people sit up a bit straighter because I know that I am somebody.

Because I ordered my silver arm cuff from a lady in Croatia.

Yes, I did booming about a boom to that.

And additionally, shout out to my Auntie Ben who recently showed me a great doubt of love and of care.

And she she is a pastor woman, a woman who is a pastor, And she asked me.

She she sent me down.

She said, I want to talk about your relationship.

I said, relationship with Christ of course.

She said, no boyfriend, you have one yet?

I said, Auntie, I gotta go shout out.

Thank you guys.

You showed me incredible.

Amounts of kind of and I love the accessories.

No, it's really amazing.

Thank you, Thank you.

Joe.

Where can people find you?

New York?

Please give it in all right, Well, I gotta go home.

I gotta go home.

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