Happy New Year.

We hope everyone had a lovely holiday season.

We promise we will be back next week with brand new episodes.

But today we are re releasing our twenty twenty five episode with Josh Sharp because he is taking his one man show Tada to London this February, and you can find tickets to that at Josh sharptada dot com.

That's Josh Sharp Tada dot com.

And you can also find tickets to our two San Francisco Stradio Lab shows on January twenty second and January twenty third.

One of them is a stand up show and one is a live podcast show with special guests at linktree dot com Slash Stradio Lab.

The link is in our Instagram bio or you can find tickets on the SF sketch Fest website.

They're both part of the STEPS Sketch Fest twenty twenty six.

And you can also see me George Severes do stand up in London on February twenty third at the Soho Theater.

Okay, we promised we will be back next week with brand new episodes.

We love you, Happy New Year.

Talk sud.

Okay podcast starts now.

What's up everyone, you are listening to Stradio Lab.

We are in New York City live from Times Square.

George still reelings, you're not allowed to speak.

Sorry, Josh is being silenced.

He said, somethings poetic right before we started recording, and I said, not on my watch.

I actually am.

It's like one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard.

Do you want to say what it was?

I said, you know, we're getting prepared.

Usually we'd explained the podcast of the guests.

This time, none of them have ever listen.

Sorry.

I just had a moment in the middle of that sentence where I remembered I'm being recorded.

Do you ever?

I was just like I was truly on autopilot.

I was like, all right, I should like try to be charming anyway.

So I'm Andy Cohen and welcome to watch what happens live?

Or this is not how you act?

What the hell whatever?

Keep going?

So I would saying, I said, you know, I said to Josh, you know, you know the drill, like you know how this works.

And Josh said, oh, I know the drill.

The drill is a warm bath.

The drill is a warm drill.

And then of course Josh wisely said that apples that's the title of Fiona Apple song.

And here we are and here we are.

So now that we've covered that, what I think is, can I say something briefly so the listener remember one thing and I'm done.

Remember to the listener.

Every beginning to you is actually in media stress to us, like you are seeing your hosts, your friends in the middle of something, and that is keep in trying.

Yeah, you never know, I'm not going through.

People don't give us enough credit for when we say podcast starts now, it actually started ten minutes before that.

People don't give us enough credit for pretty much most things that we do.

People don't realize that everything we do is an insturmountable mountain that we are in the middle of, bleeding from all holes and trying to climb.

And at the peak it says, I heart music.

I have to say that this run of recordings we have been, you know, it has I'm like, oh, is this what it's like to be Julia Roberts.

You know, it's sort of like.

That like club Club, Another Club, airplane, airplanes.

Julia Roberts famously Club Club, Another Airplane.

She's during the midnight DJ set she's going to the gay bar, she's performing at Fort Lauderdale Pride.

I'm mixing metaphors and that's okay.

What if they booked Julia Roberts at Fort Lauderdale Pride and she did, like the monologue from Pretty Woman that but it was never explained.

We actually need to talk about do gay guys care about Julia Roberts at all?

What the hell?

It's a valid question.

I think I think she is.

Not disrespected enough actually identity for gay guys to actually care that much.

Visit.

You are so right.

She has never had an underdog narrative.

Yeah, she she has been that girl from the beginning.

So everyone's like, yeah, she's good, like she's beautiful, she's amazing, But there's not that emotional.

No gay guy is saying, my favorite actress is Julia Roberts, even though of course, when push comes to shove, she is one of the great American actresses.

You know what they're saying, this will be brief and then okay, Josh, they're saying Aaron Brockovich is my favorite actress.

They're not saying Julia Roberts.

Says because Aaron Brockwick is an underdog.

Thank I'm done.

I'm done, I will talk.

We can hate our guest today.

Yeah, I'm like so annoyed.

It's like we like, so what what What our listeners will understand is that the podcast actually starts ten ings before and what our guest he doesn't understand, is actually it started like way before he even got here, Like what.

The third co host?

Do you think you're just like just to sit here to cook, to cut one to cock.

It's like I should get to come in at that point, but I just think, or give me, let me key grip or something.

You're ignoring the like do you want to check the shots?

I would love to.

I love to checking the gate.

I die to check the gate.

I think I do think there is something very particular about not having a role, you know what I mean, like being in a liminal space between roles.

Before we started recording, you were the role of friend.

When we introduce you, you will be in the role of guest.

Right now you are nothing nothing.

But is that sort of sensory deprivation in a way, like are you finally free?

Yes?

Free?

Well it's free, but in another sense, you keep in a subspace if you were actually you're trying to touch.

If you're actually feeling liberated, you would be basking in the silence.

But I can see you wanting so badly to have a different role.

Well, you know, what's he's asking for us to to say?

No, Piggy.

I hope I've never brought in.

Quite frankly, I hope we look at this.

I think perhaps the whole episode exists in this.

You know, we used to have the We used to have the bravery of the hutzpah and the punk rock sensibility to do that.

Josh, what happened to our punk rock sensibility?

What?

No?

Because as soon as you said that, I went up with iHeart.

Literally as soon as you said we should do the entire episode like that, my instinct was like, well, we can't.

We should bring him in soon.

Whereas if this was twenty twenty, if this was May twenty twenty, I would be like, that is so fucking badass, Like, let's do it something really funny.

Never introduced a topic.

Never promote what you're here to promote exactly, which I'm not going to say.

No, Nora, we'm not on yet.

Well why would we promote when our guest doesn't even hear.

I'm not here, I'm not on, I don't exist.

What were you gonna say?

Last night, somebody said they'd been listening to us since twenty sixteen, and I was like, well, darling, we haven't been on since twenty We started in twenty twenty.

Time is a flash.

Well there is something about all right, all right?

Twenty twenty was just twenty sixteen again.

Yeah, and twenty twenty four is just twenty.

Sixteen again, Like we're just doing twenty sixteen.

It's gound hog day, but for twenty sixteen sixteen drag.

Yeah, there's it's time to to twenty sixteen.

What do you make of this?

Yeah, Josh, be careful, Please be careful.

That was hard to set up.

So for anyone who's not watching on YouTube, where our numbers are plummeting, by the way, what Josh just did is.

Well, they can't plumb because they were never high.

Excuse me, they were never high because we never promoted it, because we are sort of above it, and yet it's out there, and yet it's out there.

So what Josh did for anyone not watching is he took the mic and actually physically moved it away from himself.

So that even if he's tempted to participate in the conversation, he can't physically.

So now he's sort of evoking a kind of meditation state.

But it's actually it's actually being so jittery that it's almost like an argument against meditation.

It's sort of like, oh damn, this guy really can't sit still.

Yeah, it's like, oh my god, is he okay?

Yeah, don't let him is a hard no self harm incoming.

I think we should bring in our guests.

Please, welcome to the show, our dear friend and whose show is having a run Josh Sharp.

By the time this is out, you will know all about it.

You'll be all over www dot Josh Sharp today dot com site absolutely and where is it?

Until all of time?

It's on the internet, sweetheart?

Where is where the show at.

The Greenwich chiuse some me all know what is the Barrow Street?

Sweeney Todd in the Pie Shop, But it's at the Greenwich House Theater and beautiful West Village and locks and.

You're playing Stonewalls.

You're playing Sweeney.

I'm playing Sweeney Yeah, and missus love it and rap you're playing.

Just to be clear, this is one of those you know like John Proctor is the villain and Juliet this is one of these contemporary reboots of a classic musicals that is the hero.

Yes, like it's more kind of like woke and LGBT.

Right, so it's.

About right to end at tea.

Yeah, there's no, there's no A.

No, I know A can I actually being not an issue with Q?

Oh?

Is your issue is a queer or is a question?

Yes?

Yeah, but here's queer, right, but sometimes it's questioning.

But this included I'm.

Sorry, this instinct is so anti Q, like Q is this all encompassing thing that is like what isn't Q but.

Q being questioning?

It's like I'm questioning if I'm even Q.

Like that's such a crazy meta narrative.

Show me someone who isn't question exactly if the letters and you're not Q questioning you haven't seen the matrix yet, Yeah, the point of being under the umbrellas that we see the matrix.

Yes, it's like the implication that if you're LGB or T you have this certitude.

Yeah you're like, oh, yeah, I'm firmly B, I'm firmly G.

It's like, no, you're not.

The Q is like underneath all of them.

Yeah, yeah, it's the bedrock.

It's the bedrock, Honey, it's the bedrock.

Q is to be queer, which is to be LGBT?

I M plus.

You know, the question is the bedrock.

The question is the bedrock.

The drill is a warm bath lead single, The question is the bedrock, Josh, I have a question.

I have a queue when it comes to bed.

Rock me, bitch, go ahead and bed rock me up and down.

I'm not a rock, your damn bed with this one.

Let's go.

Insert.

I can make your bedrock here.

I you know, the punk ok sensibility is of course complicated because at this point you are trying to promote a show that actually you have been working on.

It actually does have a week's long run and the months even months, which is one of the longest weeks we have, you know, I know, I know, And so it's sort of I feel sort of mixed.

I'm doing a bit about the show and sort of misleading bits only.

I mean, I don't care, we can do whatever, but.

You want to sell no tickets.

I want to sell it.

Well, I think the bits sell the tickets, you.

Know what I mean, But only if you then follow up with what the show is like, you're not belaving like, but seriously, the shows about this and this and this.

I think they want that your people.

I don't fucking know what our audience thinks.

We started in twenty sixteen.

Yeah, that's true.

Yeah, they're dealing with mentally.

They're saying, get that orange cheeto out of the way.

They're saying get that cheat out.

Pantsuit Nation Rise saying, you're saying, hey, at Pantsuit Nation, I just discovered the podcast Radio Lab.

These really amazing LGBTQ plus guys, and they talk about politics, media, cultural criticism.

They would.

Off you.

If you think we need to get this orange cheeto out of the White House, you better give it a.

Look like described like and subscribe.

No, I don't.

I don't have a strong feeling I.

Feel I feel I highly doubt that.

I feel like we.

Will talk as we or I guess the strong feeling is that we will talk as we that like for us to do a sort of you know, if we naturally do, what's the show about?

Great?

If we don't, yeah, sure they're gonna get it.

They're gonna go to josh up to dot com no matter what and find out what it is, but I guess canonically it's the off Broadway one man show that's so many of our our peers and ancestors have done before us.

You are stepping into a rich tradition.

It's my iteration on that, you know what I mean?

Yeah, And there's a bit of a Medican seat within it, so that it's not just me, you know, into the microphone for eighty minutes.

And yet that is valid too.

And I love some of those ye for me and my own punk rock sensibility, I said, I can't ultimately only do.

One of those.

Is there sort of a thing happening?

You know?

This is something I wonder do you sometimes get suffocated by the punk fok sensibility to not do the thing that is the thing that everyone does?

Yes?

And this is deep therapy talk of like how much are you?

How much are you trying to explore an non exports space, and how much are you just like standing in your own the way of your own success?

You know what I mean?

How much are you going?

This should be weirder, wilder instead of you know, ultimately.

Just how much are you producing something and it's good?

And how much?

And yet you have the instinct to take a dump on it, to give it a twist, And.

For me, it's often not even taking a dump on it as much as it is what if you made it harder and more inaccessible and in a way that gets me going?

But then I'm like, does anyone put you like this?

Know what I mean?

This is really hard to tell.

It's complicated.

It's complicated, And we've answered that question as we're now normal on this podcast.

But are we?

Is this episode normal.

Already abnormal?

Yeah, we haven't introduced you.

We haven't.

We haven't even done the interel we kind of.

Did, we started, Well, what if we just sit in the space between introducing and not welcome to the podcasts?

Sharp, Sam, he is a so pants sutonation right now.

You need to, you know, sort of access this current state that we're in where there's no democratic.

You know what you need?

You're still you're still nostalgic for Hillary, you.

Guys, I just think if you didn't vote for Jill startin like, we would have a different country.

Do you know what Sam needs to do that he's not doing?

What question?

You think I'm not on the fucking bedrock?

You don't think I'm not rock's bottom on this.

Bed, Sam, Are you not questioning?

I'm questioning everything.

See, I'm asking the question and that was declarative, isn't That's so you're not questioning?

Question mark.

I'm not an exclamation ever seen any And so let me say, are you not question Are you not questioning?

What about me makes you think I'm not?

Oh?

My god, you're not?

Am I not doing it?

At all times?

You're doing an improv exercise.

And don't think I don't know that you think I don't know that that's a name.

But my rooms, I'll honor my roots, late and my present to snake a flag and say I know this.

I can't think of anything more toxic and masculine.

I know this anything more g quite frankly, Yeah, yeah, g.

I thought you a document g HP Certitude of the GA.

You know what I mean, the g.

The the wisdom of the l Oh my god, you guys.

I just figured out what GQ stands were gay questioning.

When you're subscribing to GQ magazine, you're subscribing the gay question.

Yeah, that's what it's all.

Hot guys.

That's awesome because it was like, like, are you turned off by this.

Yeah, for so many people, GQ was gay question.

It was somebody of our community to get that and go, I'm receiving this modality different than my peers.

No, you're getting the GQ and you're saying, I have received the subliminal messages you are sending me, and I will be a bath room in fifteen minutes.

And you're going, Wait, you don't all receive this this way, like that moment that makes you realize you're the other queer to queer, you know, it's like, you're right, it's gay questioning, it's kay questioning.

I actually think this is.

One of the smartest things I've ever realized, that GQ is gay question.

Yeah.

Yeah, the drill is a warm bath q's gay question, because.

That's more Kim Petra's I'm sorry to say I fast on that one.

G Q is gay Questioning is a little more slow off Miami.

That's true.

That's been done at Rosemo.

Yeah.

Whatever that's good.

Also, whatever that's good is a track as well.

Whatever that's good, respect, respect.

GQ's question, GQ's gay questioning.

And all of this will be addressed in my show.

Which is Josh Sharp Sharp to da ta da tada, which doesn't stand for anything.

It's a word on its own.

Yeah, are there multiple a's in tada?

Is it like it's gonna be t a hyphen da?

All owercase?

Did you ever think of naming it toada for and it's like a puff?

Oh God, call my lawyer.

Is it too late to change?

Oh?

No, I've made I mean, see that version of the show.

I'm selling out the garden, Like what have I done?

You have to have a pun in the time.

Okay, I've got one to ghettoize myself at this at the famed Grinwich House when I couldn't be playing the Garden?

Did you ever think it was sort of going Chelsea Handler mode and calling it to darfour?

Almost every day I wake up and consider going to their mode, and I'm waiting.

In the day that I do.

It's over for y'all when I go Chelsea.

I have seen you go Chelsea Handler mode in private spaces, and I have burns from it.

You have to keep some things to yourself as a person in the public, in the demi public, you have to keep some things for yourself, you know.

Yeah, of course whole because these one hundred to two hundred people that know who we are.

They'll take everything.

Oh they'll take they'll I'll rip you limb from limb.

Are you kidding down to the bone?

I saw what they did to Britney spears like a whale at the bottom of the ocean.

Every bit of the ecosystem that is the Stradio Lab fan base comes in in their time, the Predators, the Mitoplankton, all of it comes until you are not but carcass.

They have been plotting since twenty sixteen.

Trust Trust, you don't think we know what the what The riots the January sixth started as it was literally in the Straighter Lab discord.

It will literal if you called your fans pantsuit nation.

There's a world in winch is the world and which that's another feeling of Apple world.

There is a world in which dot dot.

It's actually one of those Fiona Apple tracks that's so long, you know how her album titles are so long.

But then people abbreviate it as there's a world in which dot Yeah, there's like that.

It's like it's like a poem she wrote, and then she did a little drawing next to it, and it's dedicated to one of her dogs, the one that has a terminal illness, the one they all If you don't think, if you don't think every dog has a terminal illness, I don't know what to tell you.

Don't tell you clearly are not cute.

Because not one moment, to be honest, like being a dog is a terminal illness.

Yeah, like let's start there.

The moment you have a dog, you're like, okay, clock stick in yeah, the Sands of Time, The Sands of.

Time talk about dog like, is someone not comfortable when they don't have a role a dog, Like when that dog is between friend and guests, they're just like, but please give my life.

Meeting the hat is the entire thing is cue.

Cats are obviously the most cue.

I mean they're just like, well they derive ultimately like certitude from the questioning.

You know, they really the bad rock is strong in cats.

We know this.

We know this.

We know this, we know this, we know this.

When I meet like a person with a puppy, like, there is something sort of old show Girl where I'm like you just wait, yeah, yeah, like oh god, I've seen it all.

Oh god, yeah, you don't know what's about to happen.

To your life, and it's it's funny to be so young and to be able to have that perspective and have this fun and be so lucky and to be success.

I have a dog, I was old.

Should we do our first segment?

Oh my god, at last the bath has been drawn.

I sink in deeper.

I sink in deeper.

Today.

Yeah, get these to the Grenwitch House.

Get the abound at the Greenwich House seven times.

A week, seven times a week.

Because maybe too many times we were discussing this off mic, but I could bring it on.

I've never done one of those runs.

And I'll be curious to thee something this is.

Did you read Jack Novak's New Yorker piece when the special based on the show was coming out.

Yes?

Something I loved was when she talked in about it, and this is good the cube the New Yorker integral to the topic we'll be discussing later.

She talked about how she realized that doing an off Broadway run was her birthright.

And I read that and went actually, low key same and now here we are.

No, it is sort of whin are you going to be chosen?

Yeah?

And and I.

Was already working on this show at the time, and I read that, I was like, wait, it should be one of those.

It turned a page for me quite literally.

Wow, that's nice, hute, Like, what's.

The journey for this thing you're making?

I said, it's that.

It's that Wow.

And then and then and then the producers abound.

Oh there are so many producers.

Oh God, to have a Mike and a Carlely.

God, you'd be lucky to have a Mike or a Carly.

Some people have both.

You're sneaking in the more traditional promotion.

I see.

Do you see how we're doing it in such a que way.

That's such a cute.

It's very sort of the Little Women reboot.

Yeah, and which is non linear.

Yeah, oh yes, nonlinear.

It's gerwig as fuck the way.

I love the Little a little bit.

The Little Women reboot.

It's so good.

Okay, what else would we call it.

It's like, oh, there's a new miniseries that's great expectations, Like, oh, they're rebooting great expectations.

I'm being normal, So, Josh.

Our first segment, as you well know, is called straight Shooters, and in this segment, we ask you a series of rapid fire questions to gauge your familiarity with in complicity and straight culture where you have to choose one thing or another thing, and the one rule is you can't ask any follow up questions.

Understand how the game works.

Now's the time where Q becomes illegal.

Sam, this is sort of the forties.

This is yeah, okay, Josh A watched pot never boils?

Or can you watch my spot while I go to the toilet?

Uh A watched pot never boils?

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Give French Revolution or n y C stench pollution n y C stench pollution.

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Anderson or d W from Arthur, d W from.

Arthur good one though, okay, pimple popping bids or simple topping tips.

Popping bids, shopping at n H and M or choke on an eminem oh.

Choking on an M and M.

Okay, defying gravity or implying you're mad at me, implying you're mad at me?

No smoking or relax I was joking.

Relax I was joking that before that was a particularly good round.

Thank you.

So many of them evocative.

A question will not be asked, but a statement will be made.

So many of them colon evocative.

That's another exact.

The reviews are in so many of them evocative.

So many of them colon evocatives.

Wow, that's actually Kim just trying to do Field to Apple, but she like sort of doesn't quite get there.

Yeah.

Honestly, if Kim Pucher's have a song called evocative or a cockativeative, Cambridge does like she does, like her sort of like literary horror album.

The medium is the sensual massage.

That's that's good.

You could The medium is the massage she is writing down Well, Josh's stream, she's on the live stream.

She is on the live stream, and she's pressing hard face.

She's being like, seriously, you guys, you gotta vote.

Kim has been listening since twenty sixteen.

Yeah, that was who I talked to last night, was Kim.

She came out to me and she was like, I've always loved you since twenty sixteen.

So, Josh, wee rank each guest's performance on a scale of zero to one thousand doves.

But now it's plays in the Grass and lading on album.

Well and Walt Whitman of course, no, oh, he is the original cruising queer.

Let's say that all y'all, all y'all, Sniffy's Queen's.

Give it up to Walt Whitman.

He invisaged Sweatman would have absolutely gone off on.

No, he was literally like creating a location, being like it's the creek with all the boys that are shirtless white.

Literally, the original Sniffies was blades of grass.

Let's say wow, the original original Sniffers with plates of And that's a perfude genius track.

Exactly.

I'm fast, I contain multitudes of Sun's whole.

Yeah, exactly.

Oh, I'm seeing our coffee all flying in coffee.

Thank you so much God.

Oh this, oh my god, this so this I say this.

Hey, cheers, cheers, cheers.

Girls.

Damn now you're left out speaking.

Oh my god, under your breath speaking of this, has Aaron told my favorite thing?

Is that part?

Yeah, well, I love just to put sort of like a three year delay on lexicon for the most Yes, yes, it's like, but the things that are happening now in conversation for the most part.

First of all, it's all all a cart.

If you're slavishly devoted to every bit that the kids are saying, oh, it's pathetic.

You pick what works for you, but often I'm putting them in a little lock box.

Twenty sixteen, I'm putting them in a lock box and I'm saving them for three years from now.

And that's one where I'm like, finally, let's do.

I think I'm ready to do that part that Sam has a theory.

I have a really exciting theory that I think you're gonna like, I think yos Queen is about to come back.

See that's what I mean.

We're getting the port raum.

Like absolutely, I'm down for that.

Like when I heard I because I'm in a hotel currently and they have like in the elevator, they have all these like fake buttons that have like letters on them and then some of them are highlighted and it says yos Queen, And I was like, that is the funniest thing I love ever seen.

I love it.

It's so back.

If you looked at my phone, the amount of alarms are set, it's all alarms for four years from now.

Remember to bring back this.

Do you know what I mean?

Well, you're like an archivist.

You're laying it's overheating.

It is hot to the touch my device because of how many long term alarms.

I have set to remember these things.

So give us an give us sort of an idea of what types of things are you seeing maybe in the coming year, Oh that are going to make a comeback?

Like I'm like, okay, so, Yas Queen, what else from that era?

I mean, are we talking boob pillows are coming back?

Like a pillow that has that's good line drawings of boobs?

Are we talking or is it?

Like I wonder if there's this is sort of akin to yos Queen.

It's a little further back, but like is bacon core?

Like?

Oh?

Being like, can I have to say I've always loved yas Queen with an M at the end?

Queen?

Something about that is really right to me?

Q answer queen, Queen.

Are question?

It's not queen or queen?

Actually that is the spectrum, is QQQ?

Queer questioning Queen?

Yeah, funny, I know where you start and I know where you're end.

And I won't say them because I know them and you should know them.

Should what do we think is coming?

Or no?

You want know?

You go something?

Now?

I was gonna I was gonna go what do I think is coming back?

But I don't have the answer in my head right now.

And this is one of those that's a question that Q is so answer based that I do think is somewhat illegal for a podcast when when you're asking a question that that requires an answer.

Well, I also think there needs this.

We could dissect answer the question.

This idea is fruitful because I do love like obviously question.

By the way, dick Sect is another Kim Petra's track, dick Sect, and it's sort of about, you know, analysis of texts.

Also, this is another dick one, so they wouldn't yours is probably better?

No, if you know her work, she's gonna have two dick ones in a row.

Do we Diximal System?

Yeah?

Okay, Ideology Spot that's the lead single and actually that has a little musicality.

Yeah, that's kind of nice.

Oh that's good.

So my thing here's where I'm struggling with trend based stuff is like trend forecasting is over, you know what I mean, And yet I know, I know, I know, but it's like, but that's that's the bind we find ourselves and you want to engage in the JOI de vive of trend forecasting and the like gay guy play that is like this is coming back.

This is so five years ago.

You know what you're doing.

You're not trend cast forecasting.

You're doing the ultimately queer act of reading the vibe.

You know, you're catching a vibe.

Yeah, and as ques, we are trained to catch a vibe.

You're you're reading GQ and you're catching a vibe that only is for you, your message, that's only for you.

Is it just me?

Or is this gay questioning?

Yeah?

So I think you're catching a vibe, you know how?

Wow?

Okay, okay, should we get into our topic?

Sure, Josh?

What topic did you bring today?

And what straight about it?

Well?

We have the New Yorker.

To think, Wow, it's not the New Yorker, though, Has anyone done the New Yorker that would be good?

Well?

Actually New Yorker tod Well, we did toads, but mostly the New Yorkers.

One of our recent guests is a staff writer of The New Yorker.

Her topic, did they write the article that I'm going to rep sadly nod too bad?

Actually I should know that.

Yeah.

Really, there was a few topics I was considering, and then there was an article today about the band fish, and I found myself crying at it.

And then I was like, maybe we have to talk about fish.

Let's shout out.

And then the LGBGQOS creator who wrote.

It, Amanda pet Troy, Oh, yes.

There are music critic.

Yeah, yeah, no, she's she's great.

So I think I think we should get into fish.

So fish, But I've learned in our prediscussions are off my thoughts now on that this is a This is a really foreign topic for you and a mostly foreign topic for you.

Yeah, yeah, what do you know.

Let's start there.

I would say there are certain things to make you give an A.

No, no, totally.

There are some a's are easier than others.

There's something very comforting to me about knowing that certain things are like not for me, not for me at the base level, but then on top of that, also not for me to criticize or judge or respond to.

Like fish is something I love about the space.

It's sort of hermetically sealed.

And yes, and.

That's exactly it.

I actually there was a time in my life where I felt musical theater was that, but then late in life I have actually become involved.

I think I.

Profound similarities between profound similarities.

Actually I would say anything involving the Winter Olympic other than ice skating, anything abong the Winter Olympics for me is that like I don't relate to it.

To me, the Sumber Olympics or ancient Greece, that's my culture.

Winter.

I've never found out what Bob sledding is or losing or anything like that, Like, nor do I think it's good or bad, Like it's not for me to judge.

You don't watch cool runnings, don't even know what you're talking about.

What formative text to me, the nineties Disney Family comedy Jamaican Bob.

Sled Team Team.

That's that's what.

Really implanted her because I was gonna say, I agree with your sentiment, but as soon as you said Bob sledding, I said that I know intimately that me too.

It's so important running.

There was a lot of child media about Winter Olympics.

There was a lot of ice skating movies.

Yeah, you already accepted ice skating.

I've exempted ice skating, of course, at my point being that I have, I had.

The record show we've exempted ice skating, and Sam and Josh have accepted Bob sledding under the cool Runnings.

Claus and by the way, Bob Sledding is another track off of sledt Up Norway, which is her winter theme slud pop oscla.

Okay, So the point being, I have known Fish is one of those things that you're born knowing.

You are born knowing that fish exists, and that the thing with Fish is that people follow them on tour and it's like a culture and you're either a part of it or you're not.

Uh, And that's it.

And I pretty much know the same thing, except I did listen to a comedy podcast about Fish Scott Ackerman.

Yeah, I didn't listen to it, but he is a fan.

He's a fan, and and he's talking to someone else who's not a fan and sort of explaining it.

Harris, we're doing our cover.

Of the We're doing our cover.

Harris Wittles is the fan, and he's teaching Scott Ackerman to like it.

So you like, listen and what it and uh, was it compelling.

To it was compelling?

I mean I never know a lot.

Actually I never learned to.

I never like downloaded an album and listened to it, but I did hear a lot about it.

Well, And the truth is I'm going to be a lot more cue than Wittles.

I'm not here to convince you to like it, do you know what I mean.

I'm here for us to swim, swim, to play around in this pool.

I would I don't.

Quit say I like it anymore.

What made me weep today was just remembering my former self, like remembering the me who was obsessed with them.

And actually I can still I'll go like every two years and sort of have a nostalgia trip, but I'm not an active participant in this space anymore.

Definitely, I remember being the only gay person in the room of twenty thousand, Like it is just literally a decidedly straight space.

Yeah, but upon processing, there are some like queer elements, but done in a very straight way, you know what I mean.

Like we said, there's like a drug and a party culture, but also none of them are grooming or bathing.

Well, there's also a community based element to it that is very like queer co op pot luck.

Absolutely that it does feel like it's a space for a certain type of straight person who is like this society is not for me to like jump over, while still never once dabbling in GQ.

I mean it's a safe space.

It is a space space for straight yes, you know, boy on girl and girl on boy oriented people to do a lot of the other broader cultural que that we do.

You know, I sometimes do feel bad for these types of straight because they don't have much.

Well, there are a few scenes a lot of their musical I'm real listening, like there's like like hardcore is like such a straight scene, but also really weirdly very gay to Australian rugby.

You know, men who become so masculine they double back around and they're like, oh yeah, I'll like grab my buddy's cock.

But I've I've never once had sex.

I've never once thought a single sexual done.

I've not done an iode of GQ, you know, just like there's there's places for them, you know.

I just realized we need to reframe the entire gay straight thing and now it's not gay straight anymore.

Oh okay, so the entire pre now it's Q and A you're.

Either question or answer.

So the new podcast is called a e O LAP called Lap Old McDonald had a farm ah.

By the way, Q and a parentheses.

Queaf and Ass is also another track off of Kim Petris lap Pop Cambridge.

So I, first of all, of course love this, thank you.

It begs the question in defining Q and A, are we creating another binary that is even more rigid?

What's the space between Q and A exactly?

Like?

What is?

You know what it is?

It's a yes, And it's a statement that ends in ellipses like it's like the Q ends in a question mark, A ends in in a period.

It's sort of the liminal space.

Is the amper sand whoa, it's already in it.

The options are Q, A or and that's true and no one's even seeing And as the third option.

It's right there.

Yeah, but we needed to be expensive because it can't just beca.

We can't make it a you know, A try on me anymore.

Like it's like, you know, we can't we can't make it three.

That's that's the same.

I guess you're on the right path, but we have to find a way to break apart it as the third.

And isn't the amber stand in assigning it the role of the third option?

Aren't we othering it?

Do you know what I mean?

And it is the continuation literally and is the ellipsis?

Yeah, dot dot dot and what else you know, say more on that?

Yeah, say more on that.

But the end is say more, right, and so the idea of like always exploring, say more, you're you're seeking, You're seeking.

That's the end.

Here's a question for you though, absolutely that the queue literally seeking more?

What is it?

And I guess what the queue is inherently asking for is the A.

You at a certain point stop talking to get the A.

Maybe the end is just you know, we're just we're we're riding the way.

It's interesting you think the A is the more limiting option the cue.

There's actually something about the queue that is like demanding an answer.

The que has to stop for the A to exist.

Yeah, yeah they Oh my god, the Q.

Has to go.

The C is going, Oh okay, I guess it's me now.

Yeah.

The Q is an accusation.

Accusation, thank you, THANKQ.

And by the way, you're well dash c U M, which is another track off of Yeah, slat Pop Cambridge.

That's that's slut Pop Manners Edition.

Yeah you're welcome slip Pop Dear Abby or whatever.

Yeah, it's like like that's that's the track on it called that's my Tossed salad fork.

That's that me tossed salad fork.

That's that me tost salad forks featuring Sabrina Carpenter.

Actually, absolutely absolutely, it's an interpolation.

Oh the way this has my lips chopped, that's when you know it's good.

The lips start chat.

That's when you know it's good.

Watcher listeners.

That was to the watchers.

Okay, so call them listeners and watchers.

We don't do.

Okay, so you love we don't.

That was so a of you.

Yes, and he gave me a cue.

I had to give an A like he was literally being like done to my head and I said.

No, but this is I'm really it's like you think the A is the oppressive one.

No, the Q is what is oppressing the A.

It's giving me a declarative statement.

I mean many straight people would argue that is true.

Yes, it's that is It's it's like the straight peop are the ones that are oppressed, done done.

Hits end, which is why they take refuge and fish.

Why and I not to be so uh standard Q and A.

I do want to sort of go back to basics and I kind of want to give you a platform.

It talks a little bit about Fish.

Yeah, I do feel like a lot of like being a closeted high schooler in rural North Carolina, it was a big part of developing my personality, not just Fish, but just like like like driving to Ashville and seeing third tier jam bands at the Orange Peel was how I was like, I am a person.

You know, I exist, I've been intro and I've been brought on.

You know what I mean.

It's like that, really, so I would this is the primer.

Let's try to make it as succinct as possible, and we're gonna go We're gonna little women reboot it.

We're gonna go out of time.

I'm not gonna I'm not We're gonna start in the middle, as the podcast does.

Josh, I just want to say if you if you start in the beginning, I would tell you to get out of your care and leave the idea that you would come to this podcast and do linear storytelling as though you are, like.

It's insulting.

I even it's insulting to the cubes and cut this part of the episode because it's insulting.

Cut this part of the episode and put it at the end.

By the way accountability.

Keep this part of the episode.

Cut the part where I said cut it, but keep it.

And the idea that you're coming in and you're saying, you know, a normal person would do linear, but I'm gonna doesn't a waste like you.

It's like very Sam Smith saying, am I the first gay person to win?

Yeah?

Exactly, Like it's like, not this category to being different.

Yeah, not even other people do what you're doing.

It's called conversation.

Like, no one is actually going exactly, so we're so right.

So what what you know about them is sort of tapping into when the Grateful Dead ended because Jerry died in ninety five, Fish, who was already like a really burgeoning popular band, had started to like play arenas, became like mega successful because their fans were like, we need to fuck to them.

But actually they were rather different.

They're very similar in cultures but different in musical construct.

They both improvise, so they do a lot of improv which you all know as not to uc B training.

I celebrate and much more freeform.

It's actually more of a jazz style than a UCB.

Amy Pohler told you the rules, so you know what I mean.

Like it's it's very it's very free forming, but it's very yes andy okay.

And so thus there's this culture of people who are chasing the dragon because not only do you hear a song more than once, and it can go very different directions.

You know, you're trying to see Sandino do the perfect chessboard, Herald Honey preach into the damn choir, you understand.

But also they then sort of extrapolate that on creat a broader culture where like for them, the shows are very long, like four and a half hours, so they're like an experience, and if you could see them every night for a week, they don't repeat a song, so you just hear every show is literally quite different structurally, and then also even if it were the same show played twice, which they never would do, they like embrace the energy of the space and let it go different places.

But musically, The Grateful Dead was basically like a folk band who then were like, it's pretty easy to just like take LSD and riff on these two churts.

They sort of started as a prog band, and we're writing these intensely composed, like crazy epic suites that were psychotic, and then finding out how to improvise within them, which is like a weird nashing of dualities so musically, but also if you told me this is unlistenable, I'd be like valid.

I get there's a high bird hurdle to get into it, and then when people do, you're down bad for it.

Yeah, And it's half that part of straight people's brain, like baseball, where you're like, I need to memorize every statistic.

There's a there's an obsession.

It's obsessive.

It's obsessive, but and there's a there's a lot of in culture stuff, as we know from Yas Queen.

That part.

There's all of these things that only this culture knows that are fostered by the band to the audience and vice versa.

I like literally do gags with the bands.

I have a cue that demands an a what's their yaes queen?

Oh great point.

And I know actually that one of one of the people in this room is more actively in fish.

So you can gut check me at any point would you say it's would you fec driving to a frenzy?

Is that their Yas Queen.

That's one of the big ones, one of their most epic songs has this sort of undecipherable lyric that's just sounds that people are always starting trying to figure out what it actually is and then they've never explained it.

But people have a lot of theories of what they're trying.

To say why, And it's.

Definitely a shorthand for like knowing the band.

Okay, so okay, So for like a you're like there for four plus hours, you're like doing drugs and you're like, I'm crazy.

I've never been anywhere like this, like where part of what feels straight to me about it and I'm down to be wrong because I'm just shooting in the dark.

Is it sexless?

Are people hooking up sexless?

That's interesting?

Sexless wouldn't agree sexless?

I don't think fish is that straight?

Oh interesting?

Wow?

Well, but I think of the amount of straight people, which is profound and overwhelming, you know what I mean.

But you're right, there are a lot of overlaps because it's it circles back this thing.

I mean again, any type of any subculture is exacterently to be so basic but apparently queer because it is like outside the main street.

But you're the most successful indie band of all time, you know what I mean.

It's like they can they can sell thirteen nights in a row at the Garden and aren't on a label.

You know, nobody listens to their They've never had a pop they've never had a radiohead ever.

So which is that is what's.

Most intriguing about them to me is like everything else that is a subcult you can at least point to.

Like the one time they were mainstream.

They had a very brief moment of trying it yeah, and the record did like okay, but didn't do anything.

And then they turned in the next record.

This guy referenced in The New Yorker, I'm like, here's the next one.

And the in our person was not just like this is a bad direction.

He was like, I.

Refuse to even try to do so.

And they're like, all right, well never wine.

They didn't even give notes.

They're like, no notes, cut and run.

Okay, Okay, here's my theory ready, Okay they are It's not like a band in the classic sense.

It's a theater show about a band in a way.

Yes, I mean one of his early pieces, this guy was writing sort of like this like fantasy musical that he did dissertation stereophonic fantasy, Yeah, exactly, And so I think there's always and he's now since written musicals, like a lot of it is drawing from that space of like narrative world building.

You know, characters, there's characters and songs.

There's like you know, yeah, you're not there.

There's a certain state of play.

Profoundly, oh god, profoundly a state of play.

There's a lot of that because again they're like one improv is like we're playing together.

And then they then wanted Also they have a light Sky who's like known in the business for being the best at what he does.

Because you see most big arena stadium shows, they're programmed to hell, you have like ninety thousand pre program cues.

He goes in with I think normally like four and improvises the rest of it.

And so he is working these massive lights and improvising with him.

So then sometimes they're doing things musically and he responds to it or vice versa.

He'll do lights and they'll go, we should play along to that.

Then they extrapolated that to the audience.

There was a time they literally would throw four big balls in the audience, each of which represented a band member and only play when an audience member touched it because they're like, we want you to play us.

And that's become a thing where I'm always like, how do we make you as active a participant in this as we are?

That literal sense of play, that's.

A sense of play.

I like that.

It reminds me of like me at over the eight, like there's something No, it's very over the eight coded which and then there's all these facts you would know or do you know that?

Like in the Y two K not to bring it back to twenty sixteen, but in the nineteen ninety.

Nine was right exactly.

Yeah.

Do you know that they did a concert on New Year's Eve that was the biggest attended New Year's Eve event in the world.

There was it in a U.

In Florida.

It was a big Cups American I.

Was gonna say, a seminal like reservation in Florida.

And they had like hundreds of thousands of people there and they played ninety They played all night.

They started at ten and played until like eight am the next morning after the sun came out.

That that's rave culture.

That's rave culture.

Do they wear diapers so here's my question.

The first New Year's they played at the Boston Garden, eleven they went backstage and like eleven fifty three they came out.

Divers folks, they're wearing diapers.

But that was as a bit.

It was there, like first ever New Year's game.

Yeah.

Now they do gags every New Year's and it's always a big surprise because they literally do like a theatrical thing as as part of the show.

So people come every New Year's being like, what's the gag going to be?

And they actually like make a you know, like an opera or whatever.

Oh yeah, well this is really shocking.

I'm like getting frustrated that all these people are having more fun than me.

Well, that's what I actually do.

That's something I realized too when I actually the part that made me cry was him thinking about his sobriety.

He was talking about a sobriety really poetically, but when did he become sober?

The band like busted up because he became so drop.

I mean many reasons.

I think the operation got too big and they had like fifty people to employ, and then it was like, oh, you have to keep doing this, And then the league guy was like doing opiates and heroin and stuff, and so like that became unsustainable, so they like briefly broke up.

And when was that two thousand and four?

To have a fact check?

This is tough.

I feel like that you this is tough because you're literally now being no.

I'm this is I have have the right as you have.

It's become an a podcast.

I have to have the right as you have to.

But this is what media needs.

Fact checkers in the room are we talking about?

I mean, this is twenty sixteen.

If we fa udo fact checked me, like we should that cheeto.

If you haven't, if you haven't heard of Cambridge Analytica, you're only getting half the story.

Cambridge Anaclitica.

Oh my god, that's.

Batter the best one out of out of slaptop Cambridge literally Cambridge Anaclitica.

Wow, oh my god.

Been like two years after the breakup, he got arrested with like heroin and pills in his car, and apparently it was just like everybody says, like the the most kind and gracious person to ever be arrested, because I think he was like finally, thank you, thank you.

Yeah, And then he tells the story.

About then he was on like he managed to avoid jail by doing basically house arrest and like got an apartment next to the jail and couldn't.

Have a car.

Got it.

That was apparently they like worked it out with a judge where he was like, I'm gonna do two years of community service and I'm gonna live by the jail and and he said it was like the most like beautiful, humbling experience.

Because he's still Vermont, he's a rock star.

People are coming up, like Trey from Fish.

He's like, I'm scrubbing toilets and being like thank you.

And then he said his kids would come and visit him on the weekends and they look back and say it was the best part of their lives because before that he was on tour and doing drugs.

And he's like this part where I cry to that that's prettyment.

I mean, that's beautiful.

But then it got me just thinking about the time of my life when I cared about this stuff and I don't anymore.

And that's you know, that's what changed.

Oh, that's a great question.

He became gay.

That's I became gay.

Honestly, I became gay.

And I said, wait, there's a different version of this, and it's Blinn.

And I can have sex there.

Yeah, you can get your dick sucked if you do this in Berlin.

It's literally all the same things.

Yeah, it is kind of a bummer.

I've been thinking about what gay takes from me, what she takes away from me.

Where now I am just like, well, I could be doing this, like I could be getting into this niche subculture, or I could go somewhere and probably have sex.

Oh well, these are connected.

The part I was going to say is I do now, looking back, love and appreciate it even more now that I think they're even lamer.

That it's like an uncool space because so much of queer spaces are about the currency of cool.

It's an arms race.

It's an arms race for cool, and that theirs is basically everybody agreeing, like so you're lame, like I'm lame, and it's having so much that it's like, it's so that that is admirable.

We should bring that to our Q spaces.

We should bring up some Q spaces.

But then, but we you and I try to do this when we celebrate what we call Philly.

Yeah, that's true.

Can we explain this theory to George, not real Philly.

This is I don't know, just to warn there's.

About to be Coastal elite, but in a way that doubles back and becomes praise.

So this this Australian rugby, right, So this is so straight it's gay trust us.

Coastal Elik is one of the tracks that.

Like Coastal a lick my cock, my cock.

Kat Constall that's featuring kt Tonguel.

Okay, so Philly is a real city.

That's what this theory is based off.

Yeah, and Philly.

Rules, Philly places to go.

And I specifically love the gay bars in Philly because they have this like they remind me of like when I was twenty one and going to like sort of a lame gay bar in Chicago and like dancing and let me just go in music with like my girlfriend.

Can I introduce something that we can all use because I love to use this conversation lame, open prent sees, complimentary, close prent sies.

We're not saying it pejorative, lame Okay, good, this is lame as in good.

And so now that I'm so, when you go to Philly you kind of experience these types of bars and they're too big for some reason.

The liminal space, you're unwatched, you're not in the arms race.

It's you're not the arm face at all, and you're finally free.

Not a single there, No one could care.

They're putting Bruno mars on.

Literally, that's the liminal space, and you're.

Dancing to it.

And so now whenever we're in a space that is uncool, we both bond on really enjoying that and we say, yes, it's Philly there specifically, where the can we dox them?

I feel like we should dox them, but this is again doxing complimentary.

Sometimes we go to Metro, which is my favorite gay bar, but because there's some newer girls in the neighborhood who the quote unquote cool people want to go to, they're not going to Metro anymore, and it's Philly.

It's phil I love Metro is now Metro.

We go there and I talk to it.

I'm one of the girls who is no longer going to Metro and haven't been.

Actually docks them.

What the actually an animal?

Because of cool the cool list.

But it's not even just that.

It's like a return to like Christopher Street for me to like it's.

A real I would actually jus number one.

Welles is obvious number one, and that's not even that exists outside of the cool uncool spectrum.

That's that I'm even going to, Like Julius, I just went to the Monster.

I'm going to pieces.

Here's the monster and going to pieces.

I've been to pieces recently.

What queens are you seeing?

I don't remember what her name was, but she was okay.

It's a great trag show.

Say more on that.

I don't remember her name, but she was okay.

That is such a.

Great That wasn't the ax, but there was something about because there is this when it comes to uncool gay spaces, if it's long enough ago, then you are basically like wearing an act up T shirt and pretending it's the eighties.

Metro is that part, you know, It's like, but I think that.

Is that part.

It's like, it's is yes, Queen Kitchen is yes.

Queen Metro is that part?

And that and that's the final frontier, because when are the cool gay guys gonna suck at the fuck up and go to Hell's Kitchen?

Well, when it doesn't take a fucking hour to get there, That's why let's start with Christopher Street, and let's start with Josh Sharp to Josh dot Com blocks from christ I'm loving how this start there with what we get these gay guys to do, bring back Duplex, bringing back Duplex that do you know how much of the scene that you love?

The podcast Cabal is born of Duplex In anyways.

First time I ever did a half hour of comedy was at the Duplex.

Thank you.

Le split a bill with my friend Julia Claire.

We did half hours together and the show is called George Severis and Julia Claire Colon.

That's a stretch that love love it, love love it.

It birthed Aaron and I mean UCB did.

But when we were like what if we like broke out at UCB, we hosted our variety show at the Duplex.

Cole was running there, like the hit show at the Duplex for a long time.

Was cool.

Col was like paying the bills at Duplex.

So, by the way, if you want to learn more about that, Jeffrey Self's book of Essays, Jeffrey describes the Duplex era and working with Oh I would love first essay.

You don't even have to read the whole book.

So Christopher Street.

Yeah, but this is to the Philly, this is the.

Philly of it all.

Yes, and yeah, so Philly the non cool gay guys is a movement that we actually do believe in, and so we're trying to push.

That and not to be binary about it because actually, now I'm gonna sort of do the oppositehere.

I'm gonna say, like the in between space is what I don't like.

But in these kind of things, there are certain places that are actually cool.

You're at a certain like warehousey Rave, and you're like, you've nailed the cool assignment.

Yeah, Then there are the Philly spaces where it's like you are owning your uncoolness.

It's these places that think.

They're cool and they're not that are living in the what is the you know this thing in relief when it comes to gay space, I mean, is it now the amper sand is bad where I'm like you need to just be it.

Or not it?

Can you describe what a place that thinks it's cool but isn't feels.

Is that Hell's Kitchen?

Then is Hell's Kitchen the medium?

And that's why it's we don't know what to do with it because there is.

It is Hell's Kitchen is attempting to be the gay spot, like that is its goal.

It's there's a tackiness but without any camp.

Yeah right, yeah, And there's there's sort of a and I'm not against basicness, like as we know, basicness can be there's beauty and simplicity.

But there's a time that has no queue.

So I should say there's a type that has no cue.

There's the type of basic where it's like, oh, you haven't considered anything outside of the lame and that that you've like considered it all and gone.

What if I embraced the basic?

You are only there no cue?

And in this narrative, is Philly only there no cue?

Or his Philly considered?

Wow?

Don't you feel like Philly has sort of considered I think Philly has considered Yeah.

I think Philly has seen what cool could be and said I'm good.

Yeah.

I think they ride with my friends.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's like I don't need to do all that.

There's a maturity to Philly.

There's a maturity to Philly.

Well, birth our Nation.

You see that big old cracked.

Bell, you see that belt Nation came out of that hole, you know, there's a maturity.

You know what it is?

Big cracked bell, it's my bell, It's Lana del Rey.

American Standards, competrious Philly.

Cracked my bell, crack my bell, open bitch, slapt pop Philly, Philly.

Now that I want to, Oh my god, that's amazing.

Do you think Philly is Lana del Rey dressing normal but not as an ironic hipstery thing.

It's like she has decided she has seen what cool is.

She's been dressed by all the big designers, and now she is shopping at Target.

I know, don't Okay, I think Philly is almost Kelly Clarkson.

Kelly Clarkson, Yes.

Here's the thing that I think is wrong, but I'm gonna say it.

Or is Philly Tate McCrae.

And then you go, wait, you know Arca, We're like I knew, I like something about totally oh you're friends with ARCA.

But I think that is more.

I didn't you didn't give friends with Arca to me?

Don't you think that that is that's the maturity.

No, that is the maturity.

Interesting?

Okay, yeah, because Kelly Clarkson is not totally right either.

I'm trying to think what is right Natalie and Ruglia.

Katie.

I mean, is it Adele?

Oh?

Maybe Philly is Adele, but that's because I don't identify with Adele.

That is tough.

I do identify with phil what's keeping you?

Yeah?

What is keeping?

I'm just like, actually, yeah, I mean she's fine, like it's it doesn't inspire hatred or love.

But you don't.

What about Bruno Mars because I feel like I ride for Bruno.

You know I used to.

It's a hot take, say that you remember the Sarah this is the Duplex Sarah.

I say he was better for than Lady Gaga.

Would be like song for a song, name me a Gaga song, and there's a better Bruno song.

I don't say by that.

It was just fun.

Yeah, I've sort of agreed with it, but I do ride for Bruno.

No, I think I think Bruno is is properly Philly.

I think that is a good.

Yeah, I think Bruno is Philly.

What is pink?

Oh it's midwestern about Yeah, there's something midwest.

I think they're gonna go ahead and play pink after the Bruno in Philly.

Well, they're gonna play it.

But she doesn't.

She doesn't symbolize the whole city is Philly.

Roupol's drag race.

Mmm win twenty sixteen.

Yeah, Peak, Rupols drag Race twenty sixteen.

It's season eight.

It's bringing out the signs that say vote dot.

Or yeah, it's it's Bob winning after Violet vote dot org.

You know what I mean.

You know, it to me is an essential.

Okay, here's another.

Okay, I'm tying it to Fish ready, good okay, Philly.

And if you read it with joshup Toada too, if you pull that trifecta, that's gonna be funny.

Well, this is this is on you potentially something that is always a the whole show has been a.

Sign of Philly.

Like a true, tried and true sign of Philly is walking around with shot glasses that are in like neon.

Oh yeah.

When I see that, I say, I am safely mark my location as in Philly, marked as say, from Hartly test tubes.

And I actually think Fish is also they don't do shot classes and test tubes, but the culture is similar.

Absolutely, absolutely they do nitrous.

They do They're sucking out of the balloons from the dentist.

You know what I mean, that's the that's the shot glass of the fish scene.

It's sucking Byllons is another track on Slap Pop Philly.

What about Philly?

Is you think?

What about Philly's balloons?

Do we think?

And now we're back to Fiona Apple.

Now that's nonlinear question asking that's you are amper standing Boots with that one part that.

Well, I just want to know what, like, are you going to try to incorporate something to symbolize to your the attendees of your show that you're there in Philly.

Well, the Christimer Street of it all.

It's so easy to do a two show night where you're seeing Josharp Toda and then Hollybox Brains at Pieces, you know what I mean?

Like, you could see an incredible queen or George would call them okay, and I'm not that's not a sub tweet at the queen I named earlier.

I'm just you know, subtit by the way.

Yeah, sub my tit did.

You could see an incredible Pieces drag queen post show any night of the week.

You could go to Duplex and sing Roses Turn any night, both before and after my show.

Yeah, so it is sort of right in the peak neighborhood for the monster at all.

You know why Fish doesn't connect with gay people?

Like, how do I say this?

There's no like I know there's a lead guy, but like he's not a diva.

No, And it's a collective even though he's profoundly the lead guy.

It's with a lot of like we I have built.

This machine and we're all evil parts.

Yes I'm the architect, but you know gay people need like a hierarchy.

Well, yes, there is something almost anti anti branding and anti capitalist about the whole machine because, for example, with The Grateful Dead, you might not know anything, but you know the Teddy Bears, the Rainbow the Rainbow Bears dancing around, Like.

Do you even know the Fish logo?

Do I?

That?

Is?

This is so cool?

I literally don't.

What is this?

Is that?

Maybe this speaks to it because something else they talk about the article is at the time they were getting big, they just talked about how much when like most bands, when they finally have like access, they would like make use of things.

But they're like, oh, finally we have the freedom to do say not that all the stuff we.

Want to do.

Yeah, for thirty years they've demanded that every venue they're in, any forward facing ads to the audience are covered, so people go early and cover with curtains any like billboards or advertisements in the space.

They're like, you should not come in and see like a coke ad.

Yeah, that's cool, and every venue does it because they sell a billion tickets.

So there's things like that where they're like, oh, you at a time when you be like, what's my brand deal, they're like, how do we eliminate brands from this magical space?

Slay No, that's cool.

Slay kind recurs too, don't but that is happen the ones Lady Gaga could never.

Well, first of all, Aeo lab or I want to go back to the logos for Mattress.

But I do think that's a big part of why it's so siphoned off from the rest of culture is because because there's like no advertising a bit, it's literally like by word of mouth, and if you know, you know.

And even then you need a guide and even you know, like even if your friends like listen to Fish, they'd have to be like, but let me make the playlist, yes, or else you will go you will not get it it.

Community building Where else are we seeing that.

Yeah, yeah, other jam bands also, you know, weirdly, they've sort of invented festival culture, right, Like that is massive, the Coachella of at all.

I mean also, you know Jane's Addiction.

Did nobody wants to have that conversation?

The originator of Lallapalooza.

I didn't know this.

It was originally a festival that Jane's Addiction started in the nineties and then became Lolla Ploza.

But at the same time, Fish was showing throwing festivals that are only Fish and a one hundred thousand people come.

There's no other bands but Fish, but they do like build a village and there's like art and installations and weirdo shit happening.

When bonn a.

Rou started, which sort of started the modern resurgence of the last twenty years of festivals, because they knew because it was more of a jam band festival at its inception, they went to Fish just people were like, how do you do a festival?

And so Fish top Bonnaroo and then now we have Coachella.

Wow, you know what I mean.

Yeah, So there's so many weird things where it's like it's crazy that Fish is that girl until Billy Joel did the Billy Joel.

They were the band that had most played the Garden.

That's crazy.

They played there like one hundred times and sold out every show.

Whoa, I'm getting back checked again and I'm appreciate about it.

And if only we could do that to the Cheeto and chief, Oh my god, if only you.

But he won't come on the podcast.

He's afraid.

Have you tried, Yes, yes tried.

Could you imagine we haven't?

What topic do you think he'd do?

I think what if he did cheetahs?

And it's like charming because he's making fun of himself and he's like really self aware.

It's like, I mean, what what topic would he do if he was really self aware?

I guess he could do cheetos.

He could do like apprenticing business business.

I think it would be funny if like one day he got bonked on the head and like woke up and period, just as a physical gag.

Yeah, just I know there's more, but just period.

Well, if he gets bonked on the head, I'm on that part.

I'm that part that part.

No, he gets bunked on the head and wakes up, He's like, I want to do a run of my show.

If you got bonked on the head and then was like, oh my god, isn't it weird that I'm doing this, Like isn't it crazy?

Like that would be really funny.

Little cartoon birds flying around, dizzy eyes.

Holds a press conference.

Never mind, it's so good.

That's in your new hour, right, Yeah, here's mine.

Never mind, Wow, that's really good.

Here's and that's the title track from Fiona Apple's new record.

She recorded it all at home with her dogs.

That's the sound the dog with the rest.

The dog she had at that time, rest in power.

Power, that time, that time, at that time, that time.

This is Trump Pop.

That's that's good.

Instead up that part.

Maybe if Trump got bunked on the head, he would release Trump Pop Miami.

This is Trump Pop.

That's good.

That's really good.

Get your bunks out January sex.

Oh, that's good.

Terror in my anus.

Ifs rolls off the.

Tongue, rolls off the tongue, that's another track.

There we go, rolls Royce off the tongue.

That's a Kim Petra's track.

Lick my cheetoes.

Way to be brought in.

I can't wait for the intro to be over guests, Please welcome to the podcast.

Philly's favorite comedian, Josh Sharp.

Yes, I'll be playing the Philly Theater.

Oh, I love that.

Josh to the Big Philly Theater right downtown.

You can't miss it.

It's just under uptown and it's gonna be amazing.

Have you ever been to Denver?

Actually you can't ask some of that, George.

I'm sorry to be so cute, but I'm going to Denver.

Uh, there's no way around it because I'm seeing ryle O Kylie a Red Rocks.

And when you posted about that, I thought you were kidding.

No serious, that rules, And so we've been looking for where to stay and whatever.

And they're doing like the twentieth anniversary of black Light Tour or whatever.

I don't remember if it's it might be, But you guys need to get into Riyla Kylie Moore.

That's like it's such a like like a.

You know what I mean.

Ryle Kylie is one of I actually recently had this experience with Gossip that Todo's band, where these are things I think everyone knows and everyone stands and then you realize no one I saw Gossip.

I posted it literally got one reply, I.

Feel the same about the Knife, another band from that era.

Knife.

But so many gay guests have.

Know so many games I don't know.

They are like girls at the raves and yeah, it's all good.

It's all good anyway, fever Ray.

That's yeah, yeah, let's right, that part.

I actually don't know.

I'm coming clean.

You should like Jenny Lewis at all.

No, it's band.

Oh, it's really good because.

There are there is a class of gay guys not you.

We now know who know Jenny Lewis and don't know, right, Kylie.

It's it's like gay guys that know Caroline Polo Chepe but don't know Chairlift.

Thank you.

And that is a that is a part.

That part that is such a that part.

Yeah, what you just said is such.

This is why we need it back because that is the response to that.

My whole body screams that part.

You know what I mean.

Damn, that's so that's so Walt Whitman of you so true.

My whole body screaming that part as I take loads in the Brooklyn Navy Yard.

War Titman is another track off of Slup Pop Cambridge.

Back to Slip Pop Cambridge.

Slow Pop walden pond.

Actually it is coming out soon.

Damn.

How many of the grasses did I get out of a thousand?

I don't know.

If we said it, we got we went on.

So we are sort of still in that segment.

Oh it's still non linear.

Well we're liminal.

We're still in that secon.

Yeah, we can't.

But I think because we're so liminal, we can't give you a number.

I think that's your score?

Was bear emoji?

Understood?

Yeah, score was bar emoji.

That's well, damn, that's what that is.

That's either good or bad.

That's either good or bad.

What if you named your child either oh?

Either?

Oh that's good to hear.

You have to hear the mother yelling.

It out either and it also it is Actually you're gonna have a mother.

I am the mother.

I am the mother.

Come through, RuPaul, come through, RuPaul.

Vote, I am the mother.

Clack clack clack clack clay clack vote.

That's why try vote.

But seriously, you guys, get out there.

But seriously, you guys, please vote.

Should we do our final segment?

How well I've lost track of Yeah, lemon and so nonlinear?

You tell me where we are?

Where are we at time was yeah, we should do our final any lingering fish notions.

I mean we're really.

Asking us just things that's very cute things.

Yeah, it is cute.

I just want to know if there's anything that you needed addressed that didn't know I know, and I do feel like it was a touchstone for us.

Yeah, you know, it didn't need to be the bedrock.

It was a touchstone.

It was a touch if we're just making different sort of geological rock.

Base touch my stone.

By the way, it was like a limestone layer, you know, goodstone bank.

There we go, Oh my god, an the Limestone Festival in Bloomings, Indiana.

You're literally just like, I sort of like fish.

Can I ask something basic?

What is the backstory of the name fish spelled with a pH?

Great question?

I don't know, do you know that I do, of.

Course a couple of different stories.

But when they first started, so they started eighty three, and when they first started.

At Goddard College, at Goddard.

College, which had thirty three people in.

Every year when they graduated, whoa.

They wanted to be.

That's why they wanted to be, and that's why it's on the age people.

Everyone was just like, what.

Oh, and then it became Fish.

This is news to me.

I'm learning they wanted to be Fish do anything that's ahead of their time, because I'm thinking of that very pitchworky band that is three exclamation points.

Yeah, yah chi chick Chicha's it.

That's so Fish.

I love to learn that because even though I'm so tapped out of this scene, because it was like the thing I obsessed over from years like seventeen to twenty two.

Like I think even.

Now, if you played a live Fish recording, I would know the song and I probably could tell you the year and maybe month of it, you know what I mean.

Like, it's still a part of my brain that knows every single thing about this band.

So to learn something new, that's huge.

That's that's huge.

For me in all of my as someone literate in the lore, I didn't know that part, that part.

That part, that part, well, that's just like how we want to be called Aeo Lab and people kept saying Stradio Radio.

Lab, and so you just became Stradio Lab.

Yeah.

The first time we ever sold out one of many.

One of many, just slippery slope a many.

But seriously, guys, how down the barrel.

This episode has been you know, because you guys sold out.

Now, yeah, you resisted that urge to make this one punk.

And it's just so clear and cogent and literate.

First time listeners would know every single word.

Oh yeah, no, this is the blueprint.

This is the blue It's gonna be the FYC episode.

Yeah yeah, this is well, you know, everything you touch becomes a four year consideration.

That part, okay, we should do our final segment.

That part, Josh.

Our final segment is called Shoutouts, and then this segment would be amash to the grand straight tradition of the radio shout out, shouting out to anything that we are enjoying, people, places, things, ideas, I actually seasand one you're in Times Square shouting out to your squad back home.

What's made about that is I'm literally in Times Square right now.

But it's twenty sixteen.

That's the part, Yes, it is.

What part that's the same.

It is Time Square, So that's the same.

We're coming to your life from Times.

We are coming to your life from we are no cap no cap is that coming back?

No, it's too fresh, but it couldn't like three.

But I'm more warm on bet being something by the way, I'm doing for you.

By the way, no fap is another track of.

I'm bitch.

People will get that.

That's bet.

When you said profoundly earlier, I was trying to think of a pun and the only thing I got was pro pound me?

Because the hell is wrong with you?

Because ideas like that on the table.

Well, because I was like, if I say pro pound me, no one's going to be like, that's profoundly.

We would know that.

Oh I see what you're saying.

Yeah.

But also there's so many lyrical directions there, like I am pro pound me, I am pro the idea of you pounding me.

Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely proper and.

Being pounded pro pound pro.

I'm a pro pound me?

Yeah?

Wow?

Should we do okay, how do we do it?

I'm like George, I don't have one.

Oh yeah I don't either, Josh, I could do one.

Oh you want to go first?

You need that.

I already we always think of them on the spot, but of course I just had one come to me on the spot.

Okay, go great, And this helped, you know.

I came into early on the intro.

I should come into early on the clothes.

Yeah, don't you feel as if it bookends for the for the listener, and especially the watcher.

It gives a bookend.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, shout out to Love on the Spectrum.

It's the greatest show on television.

I'm so happy it's back.

These are my absolute friends, y'all.

This is the friends cast to me is Love on the Spectrum.

Talk about a warm bath.

I'm spending time with David, with Abby, with Tanner, with Connor.

I'm love in my life.

All of the new people are so good.

I was weeping like I'm reading the New Yorker Fish article watching this season of Love on the Spectrum.

I wish every person would watch that show.

I think it is so that part the best, you know what I mean?

Yeah, so, shouts out to all of them.

I would love to meet or work with any of you.

Please find me, run up to me in a public space with a weapon if you need.

I want to know you.

I want to be friends with you, and I want to celebrate you most of all.

Whooo.

I have also been I started season one like two weeks ago, and I love it.

It is the best.

Yeah, I am very fish about it.

Where it's like, I have such earnest admiration for the show and the people on it, and they're so funny.

And it's it's it's it's really nice.

They're so funny.

Okay, I have one.

Oh, thank God, what's up?

I'm gonna keep going with via television theme.

What's up, television viewers.

I want to give a shout out to this very particular state that I can will my brain to be in.

It is it.

It is a version of the Sunken Place, but it is I think as little Mourgeois de vive, and I have been accessing it every night over the last calendar month, when every night I am watching Family Guy on Hulu dot com.

To me, I am on.

Season I didn't start from the very beginning, but regardless very I started, I'm on season eleven.

I'm watching it.

I am letting it AutoPlay, and I am fully watching Family Guy by myself on my computer in bed.

As God intended, I am.

Shutting off any part of my brain that is reacting to anything, and it is washing over me the same way honestly a warm bath wood.

I think when I am ready to comment on what I'm seeing, I will activate.

But for now, I am in this very special brain state that I think leminals very liminal and is very ampersand and I think rather than judging myself for it, I am going to sit in it and see what comes of it.

Wow, whoop, that is crazy preactivated.

Yeah, I can't.

You want to see people, If you want to see people look shocked, if you want to see the light drain from people's face, tell them you've been watching family guy people on all communities.

We're talking gay, straight, all mainstream, old young.

I've never seen a reaction like that, And I've done many things that that are you've done considered a taboo thing?

Okay, what's up freaks, losers and perverts around the globe.

I would like to give a shout out to you know that thing when you wake up and you're like really stressed out and it's like three am, and you're like, why am I awake?

And then you lay there.

I want to give a shout out to getting up and saying, you know what, enough, I'm gonna do stuff.

I'm gonna get up and I'm gonna fucking do stuff until I get tired.

And I find that this is a much more productive way stuff I'm well, one.

I'm reading, jerking it.

Sometimes I'm jerking it.

Sometimes I'm having a beautiful water.

Sometimes I'm journaling.

Sometimes as soon as I write down like everything that's running through my mind, I'm like, oh that's it, Okay, time for bad you need to download.

You basically just have to like walk around and be like, okay, enough, just laying here, and then I have a book.

I've got a life for my books so that i can read it without waking up Misha, And it is an amazing, amazing feeling to just lean in and honestly, sometimes when your mind is racing, you actually are having good ideas and you just have to roll with it because you can't you can't know when the spirit of creativity is going to enter you.

So when you wake up at three am, just roll with it.

XXO.

I'm an adherent of this, but it's a practice they can't you can't always follow because it's happening in a space, a liminal space where your mind is not always your mind.

So there's times for the next.

Day I forget that I know this is the north Star, and I'm so frustrated to not have, you know, pointed pointed my sled Dogs towards it.

By the way, I just.

Read on Billboard that limb Anal Billboard limb Anal Space has just premiered and it's the lead single of sled Pop cambridgem.

Anal Space Space.

That's good.

Wow.

If anybody out there has a lot of time and a photoshop account, we would love for you to make an album cover with the track list of all the tracks that we have.

Na please, I.

Want the tracks be www dot Josh Sharpteda dot com.

That on this graphic that you will share far and wide on the dot com and then dot com dot perfect.

Okay, perfect, Well, everyone go see Josh's show and.

Tickets on sale now.

Tickets recently on sale at the moment this episode is coming.

Out Josh Sharpteday dot com.

Yep.

And you know I need this stradio.

A lot of freaks there, honestly, And I'm going to say this on this podcast and and no else, y'all will get the show more than every other podcast audience.

We know that the girls know you're going on Exploration Live and you're saying that exact same ship.

You're go to the Daily and you're saying Michael Barbarrow, your listeners are gonna absolutely freak.

You know, the daily listeners will hate my show.

And I will tell that to Michael Barbrow.

I'll say it to his face.

I'm here to talk about the topic of the day, but not my show.

I do not want your listeners there.

Say to Barbarrow, do you think you could turn him gay again?

I think he's got some cues.

I think some cues.

King.

He's like Amberson coded.

He is so down.

Have you had him on?

Yeah?

Actually no, Well we had him on, but it was a bad episode ended up.

Yeah, this was mutually agreed upon from both parties.

Yeah, yeah, we told him to funk off.

Is this known or can't?

I cannot?

I don't know.

I don't know what y'all podcast Queen's be doing.

Y'all have, y'all have a community.

Y'all are the fish.

You know there's a y'all are fish.

Y'all are.

Well.

Michael Barrow.

It's an open invite.

An open invite.

Actually, Barbara, you can come to opening night.

I'm gonna save you a ticket in the front waiting for Govment style.

If Barbarrow comes, reserved for barbar Oh, that'll be nice and every night you look and he's not there and you're like.

Fuck, I guess this one's just for me.

Well, Josh, thanks so much for doing the podcost my god a blessing, an absolute blessing, and to be in the IRL kind of way.

Thank God.

And I just want to say thank you everyone who has participated in the week of Stradio Lab six episodes and one live show, Endless Opportunities and Endless Fun and Endless play fish Style.

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