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Welcome all to Stradio Lab.

You are catching us both bi coastally and we are yawning.

We are yawning.

What's going on?

I have an excuse because, as you know, I've self diagnosed as a narcoleptic.

Oh that's interesting.

Yeah, because sometimes I just really need to sleep, like for sure, like in a way that's like it's not for long, it's like for like five to ten minutes.

But when it hits, I say, I'm having a narcoleptic attack and I need to sleep, and I don't know what else.

You know, it could be.

You know that happens to me with being horny.

You know that happens to me being horny too.

That's sometimes it's I would say, it's uh, it's kind of almost terrend It's like, you know, I think it's there will be just a ten minute period where I'm like, all right, let's we got to find a solution here.

Does it pass or do you just have to no, take care of it?

I think no, it can pass, but you know you have to obviously it's not you know, if I'm if I'm on a subway, there's nothing I can do about it.

Sure, do you ever have that thing?

Okay?

I want to hear Okay, this is kind of scary.

Do you ever like, so say you're really horny one one moment and then you like obviously you let it pass, and then you know, like four hours later, you're like, I'm angry and I don't know why And then you're like, oh, it's because I was horny and I didn't do anything about it, so my body has turned that horniness into anger.

Here is that to you?

Yeah?

Well, first of all, obviously, and it also happens famously with hunger.

You know, who could forget the really amazing millennial term angry that we all were so into and approximately twenty thirteen.

But I want to actually run something by you, which is, like, there's this idea that anger as an emotion is always something else that has turned into anger.

Like, there is this it's either you are horny and that's why you're angry.

It's either that you are sad and that's why you're angry.

It's or that you are hungry and that's why you're angry, or that you are like resentful.

Like there's this idea that anger can never be just anger for its own sake, And I guess my question is where do you stand on that?

And where do we think that comes from?

Do you know what I mean?

I do know what you mean.

I know exactly what you mean, But I think I think people are a little bit wrong.

Like I think you can be angry on your own and I think that it's like this way of people being like just it's impolite to be angry.

So let's let's take that anger and let's like make it sadness.

Let's take that anger and let's make it horniness, because it's like, well, even if it's like started because I was horny, now I am angry and like I'm not horny, Like I don't want to have sex anymore.

I'm in a bad mood and and I'm quite cranky.

And I think people just find anger to be sort of an uncomfortable thing to be around, and so they're like trying to dismiss it totally.

No, I think that one of the best things we can do as a society is confront anger as it is, rather than have it be rather than have it symbolize something else.

Mmmmmm hmmmm hmm.

Respect to you know what?

You know what Actually this is related to what is the way people use to talk about homosexuality.

It's like what is behind If you talk.

About homosexuality is something that needs to be cured, then of course you get into like what is behind it?

Is it?

Are you gay because you had some sort of childhood experience?

Are you gay because you are.

Are you a lesbian because you're a man hating woman and that's why you're a lesbian.

Like there's it's this like distrust of something as it is and this attempt to create a narrative around it because you're so afraid to face it head on.

Yeah, but then there are people that are angry all the time and you're like, okay, just like process whatever's going on.

And of course that's where that's what's difficult about it is like I can show up here and come up with a really radical leftist critique of our aversion to anger, but then I go outside, I see a man he's literally holding a gun and threatening to kill fifteen million people.

That guy does have some psychological damage that we there's.

Some damage in there.

There is some real damage in there.

Now.

The first what this is all leading to is that there needs to be a government position whose job it is to determine whether someone's anger is valid or whether it is a result of psychological damage that needs to be addressed by once again state funded psychotherapists.

And here's first of all, I one hundred percent agree.

Second of all, I have to say, you know where I'm going, which is where I cannot stop going is.

I was angry in New York City last Tuesday and I said, you know what, I have to run an errand and it doesn't It's like I went to a CVS.

They didn't have what I needed.

They said, go to this right aid it's you know, blank blocks away.

And I said, I'm going to do that and I'm going to walk and I'm going to be do my angry walk.

And I said, now, this is a healthy way to process your anger.

I was so frustrated with everything happening and the inconveniences of living.

But I got to push them into walking on the sidewalk.

Whereas you know, and people people in LA what do they do with it?

Where do they put their anger?

They're not strutting, They're they're getting in car crashes.

No that okay, you know what they are doing though, But legitimately what they are doing reiki, They are doing meditation, They are developed, they are developing various things that they call a practice.

It's a yoga practice, it's meditation practice.

They are practicing so hard.

And guess what, the big race is never coming.

It's all one big rehearsal.

Yeah, I think it's just unhealthy.

I think everyone just needs to go for a big, long walk.

Yeah, angry and even and in New York.

Also, if you're walking in New York, you can do a kind of Charlie XCX during Von Dutch walk.

Of course, the stomp, you.

Can do the Von Dutch stomp.

Whereas I'm sorry, if you're doing a meditation practice or a yoga practice, that's you're not gonna be able to like.

Shake it out.

That's a suppression.

You're suppressing it.

Quite frankly, you're bottling it up.

And one day you're gonna do something really really bad like buy a home.

Yeah, like buy a home, like buy a beautiful home with a pool.

Yeah, And you think that's ethical, You think that's ethical what with everything going on that is, especially.

In Los Angeles in California with the drought.

With the drought and everything.

I'm sorry, you're filling a pool every day and all of it is literally because you can't confront your own anger.

You need to go for a walk.

And guess what, you know, why you're angry because you failed at that audition.

It's really not that complicated.

You're angry because you didn't do well at the audition.

Sorry, but like people have experienced that from the beginning, being an actor is the first job.

That's what Mary Magdalene did.

She was an actress.

She wanted to do comedy, but she was pigeonholed as a dramatic actress because of her symmetrical face.

People said, you can't be a comedian.

She I mean the horrible Robbie ass.

Get your ass to that audition for a soap opera.

I mean her first big role, of course, was pretending, you know, being like I'm a virgin.

M yes, And people didn't realize that she actually did that as like a campy, almost like Marlena Dietrich type thing, like she she wasn't actually earnestly lying about being a virgin.

She was doing a cabaret act.

It's like Lord, It's like Lord.

He's literally like Lord, yes, exactly.

Lord is referencing Mary Magdalene.

And and by the way, all the people that are against this new air because they think it's lame and they think it's stupid that she's suddenly non binary.

They don't get the reference.

I don't get the very Magdalen.

She's playing with the idea of lying.

Hello, whatever culture is.

The culture is stupid.

The culture is stupid.

You know you know what?

The culture isn't lit Alalana dol Ray, It's actually stupid.

The culture is stupid.

And I did not have a ball anyway, anyway, should bring in our guest?

Yeah, please, welcome to the podcast.

What nothing?

You do it?

Then?

No, you do it?

No, stop talking.

We haven't brought you in.

It's all right, you're ruining the episode.

Okay, please welcome to the podcast.

I guess I'll have to edit all of this out.

Zach Zimmerman, thank you so much.

Boys, it's great to be here.

I was just cross referencing the DSM five and everything you said about anger is actually completely correct.

Oh wow, consider yourself an angry person.

No, it's actually one of my lowest emotions.

I'm a default of sadness.

I don't really get angry that often.

Interesting, my ex was a very angry person.

I don't, I don't.

I can't have anger in the house.

Yeah, call him out.

What's his full name?

John Croccoh, that just popped right out.

No one's ever asked.

That's so beautiful.

Thank you for caring.

I did do a stomp though recently, I went to the New York Liberty game, my very first one, go Liberty, and since someone the other team missed two free throws in a row in the fourth quarter and so we all got free Shakesheck as an audience.

So the next day I go to Shakeshack, but it's with purchase, and I was angry at that moment because I felt lied to.

I just walked half an hour to get free Shakesheck, and eventually the guy gave in and agreed with me that the JumboTron did not say with purchase, and he gave me a free check check.

But he said thank you for your hard feedback.

And I was like, what, okay, give me the food I don't want to give you.

Here's a question for you.

Did you ask to speak to the manager when that happened?

That was my I was going to But I thought just standing there in silence was as powerful, okay, because he was like, can I take a picture of your picture?

I didn't want to care an out on the check employee.

But I have sick psychological mind games with this person, you know, because you're, first of all, you're introducing your point of view as one of sadness rather than anger.

And I'm thinking, oh my god, poor Zach like wakes up every day so sad.

But actually, you are.

Going to a low wage worker and performing this kind of performance where you're so disappointed in them that they have to break the rules.

That person was probably fired on the spot.

Thoughts, I contain multitudes One two as a former low wage worker myself, I have nothing but empathy for us all under the thumb of capitalism.

But two, when I am entitled to a free thing, there are two things you need to know about me.

I'm exploring bisexuality, and I like free stuff.

You're exploring bisexuality or leda.

Really I sort of think those are related.

I had so many follow up questions to the other thing, but this is much juicier.

I actually think there's nothing more bisexual than passive, aggressively asking for what you're owed from a New York liberty game.

And it felt ultimately I win because I learned that the redemption they weren't tracking how many times I went to the Shakesheck, so I got lunch and dinner on Shakeshack that day.

Oh oh, but I think I.

It was their first time processing a promotion like this.

It was their first time dealing with bisexuald at Shakeshack.

The bisexual community was at Shakeshack demanding lesbians wanted their burgers, and they were buckling under the pressure of that onslaught.

So when you went to this Shakeshack to get your free burger, you had a picture of the JumboTron to show the employee as proof.

This is not my first rodeo, Sam.

I knew there would be asterixes, so at the game, I took a picture of it.

And it does not say with purchase.

It says go to Shakeshack.

Because we're all everyone in the audience has never yelled louder.

We just all won thousands of US one free Shakeshack.

The big question is when do I get it?

Am I going to walk out of the stadium and be handed a burger or what are the stipulations?

So when I see the jumbo tron, yes, I take a picture.

I have a receipt.

Apparently an email was sent that said with purchase.

I didn't get that email.

I didn't buy these tickets given to me by a friend.

So I go in.

I have a picture.

Guy bind the counter takes a picture of my picture.

I'm doing free consultant labor for them.

On the user experience of deeming a free Shakeshack burger, I'm entitled to more than just that.

I haven't even told you the worst part.

What's the worst part?

Vegetarians not included.

I had to pay an extra dollar to sub a veggie shack.

This is crazy.

The fact that you were charged extra for the veggie option is the most biphobic thing, and a string of biphobic decisions that have been made by two institutions that I previously trusted in New York Liberty and Shakeshack.

I was aghast because you would think in today, when you go somewhere, there's always a veggie option, like the accommodation happening by the left is there, don't you think?

Though there's been a backlash and there actually isn't anymore.

Like I actually think, wait, Tam, why are you laughing?

I just thought that's such a funny sentence.

But don't you like there was a golden era?

I would say, like having vegie options is very Obama era, Like there was a golden era everything in our communities of urban bisexuals having a veggie option at every event, and then I think, especially in New York, not to once again make it New York Brazili, especially in New York post pandemic, has just been like, don't want a burger.

Get out of here.

I you're not wrong because I went to a cookout, a post Liberty Game cookout.

I didn't go to the Liberty Game.

But then they literally had no veggie options.

The invite said bring your own, like you can put it on our grill, but like we're not providing it.

That that's bonkers a little bit to me.

It's doesn't buy some doctor Prager's.

It doesn't take more than like ten bucks to like throw a frozen veggie patty on the grill.

People are upset because they're wrong.

Are all meat eaters?

Yeah, this is an interesting thing.

You just said people are upset because they're wrong.

Once again, you're trying to diagnose the cause of someone's anger.

I know, I was vegetarian for like four years in New York after college, and there was a point where I just started getting upset and I was turning into the guy with the gun on the street, and I was so angry, and I was you know what it would actually make my life one hundred times easier is if I just started eating meat again.

And I did, and I instantly became a generally happier person.

And I agree that it's like, if the world was built more for vegetarian lifestyles, I could have been I could have had both.

I could have been a vegetarian and been happy, but the world was not built for it.

And I was sick and tired.

Every restaurant I would go to, there's the one option or the two options, and I was like, I'm gonna jump.

I can't do this anymore.

So I gave up.

Come back, Sam, come though.

I literally became addicted to me, and I like, it's something I have to check in with.

Okay, gay, I think your twenties are about being a vegetarian, your thirties are about giving up, and your forties are about becoming one again.

Wow.

I love that.

That's beautiful.

That's a journey and then having sort of like quasi health quasi health reasons for it too.

Yeah, oh right, it was ethical in your twenties, it's lower back plan in your forties.

Exactly in your twenties, it's ethical.

You've read You've read a book about it, you've seen food ink.

Then in your thirties exactly, of course, Then in your.

Thirties you're like, I'm too busy with work.

I'm trying to climb the corporate ladder.

Everyone is literally out to get me because I work at a homophobic company.

I work at the Republican Party, and I have to focus on just getting this done, and I don't have time to think about vegie options.

And then in your forties, you know, you have a few doctor's appointments, they don't go as planned.

You start to kind of be nostalgic for the idealism of your twenties.

And suddenly, and.

By the way, the vegi options have gotten better.

You're at the grocery store.

You're starting to like be more aware of the new options that exist.

Well, not to mention you climb the corporate ladder, You're on the top.

Honey, they're making lunch for you, They're ordering whatever the hell you want.

That's exactly it.

You Actually, it's easier.

You don't need systemic changes to make your life easier as a vegetarian because you have actually pulled yourself up by your bootstraps, by your plethar bootstraps, ethical plethar bootstraps.

I'm reading a book that called out out that phrase that it never really meant what it means because you can't pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.

Thank you for that way.

So what is so?

Can you give us a first of all, to read a book about it?

What is the cultural history of that phrase?

And a bootstrap?

It does make sense?

Yeah, what is a bootstrap?

I will in my defense the book sort of that wasn't what the whole book was about.

It was using that a brief aside.

It was Jenny Odle's Saving Time.

Oh, makes that point along the way.

I'm catching up.

To that book.

Sure it came out years ago or whatever.

But you the what is interesting about meat right now and veggie and fake meat is fake meat is almost the exact same taste and price as regular meat, so you don't actually have to have morals anymore or sort of.

The reason I do it is, you know, because animals are suffering and I can think I'm like better than other people a little bit.

Yes, and mission accomplished.

I need that.

In my thirties, you guys gave up on it.

I need some I'm I'm by now it's basically straight, and so I need to tell you do.

You keep bringing up being by, and so it stands to reason that you're desperate to talk about it.

It's so new and fresh.

I'm I used to be whenever I was taking a flight the next day, I have to tell everyone about it, or if I've just read a book I've like before Steaton assists pussy and so I like feel like I have to talk about it.

It's so top of mine for me?

Was this like a date?

A hookup?

What was the date?

Plus?

But it's been maybe two years now of you know, opening the opening up the dating apps, the floodgates, so to speak, returning to oh yeah, oh and they're flooding.

It's flooded, flooding.

Wow.

But I'm approaching it with just like a beginner's mind, I think, and a novel.

There's a novelty to it.

So I don't know how long it'll stay, but I'm enjoying being here.

Are the women you're meeting, Like, are there is there any concern about aid?

Yes?

Mostly paid?

Now are they are they?

Like?

So you're so you're gay, but you want to try a woman like are they do they do they feel like an experiment or do they feel like like do they think of do they know that it's like an experiment on your end?

Like I was debating do I need to put in my profile like newly By just experimenting things, I think what I have found is that straight women and I are not the vibe because they want a very specific, many of them version of masculinity that I can dip my toe in but don't want to stay in full time.

It's really been by women where I'm like, Okay, we share the same understanding of desire.

We get that Zach likes men and that's we also do, and we like women.

There's like a kinship that I'm finding with them, but straight women.

For a while there, I was trying to attract straight women and that was not not good for anybody.

That's interesting.

I would love to see that in sort of sitcom style.

Thank you, NBC exec Yes, yes, please please rate in.

The main issue in terms of like prejudiced against by men and stereotypes about by men is like they are quote unquote actually gay and they are and like this poor woman who is falling for the act.

But I think once you transcend the idea of a straight woman looking for a husband.

We're talking a We're talking blue haired queer lady.

She just was in a thrupple last week.

She's a cinematographer.

Of course she's gonna want to go on a date with a bye person.

Get out of my phone, my god, George reading reading to a t.

There is a if I see a if you're straight, and I see wants children, I'm like, oh, I can't give you that.

I don't want to waste your time either, like maybe I want, but like I'm doing, like exploring I should have been doing at eighteen.

I don't want to waste your thirties and you want to start a family, like, I can't.

I can't do that to a woman.

I was recently attracted to sort of a skinny, small man, and I was like, I'm bisexual.

My friend did that with the new Miley Cyrus video.

He's like, Miley looks good.

Maybe I'm by.

I think everyone's a little by And you'll well hear it out, sure, sure, sure.

Well, there's just brave.

It is fun.

Life is long, and I find it kind of funny as people that you know are curious at all.

It's like fun to be like, well, yeah, you it's gonna shift and change a little bit, like and you kind of don't know in which direction.

You're just like, I'm gonna be into something else in five years, Like who knows.

Could be pokemon, could be protein bars, could be women.

Yeah, who knows?

These are the three options.

That's interesting.

Do you find yourself telling people that you're like, does the label buy speak to you or do you feel like it's it feels yeah, tell me about that.

I'm getting more confident in it.

Initially I was really liked a little by or like experimenting with bisexuality.

That felt truer to the newness of it to me.

But now that I've like consummated, I feel more confident in the.

Label mm hmmm, mm hmm.

But I'm not yet ready to reject what a strange thought I've had, and I have shared it with women, I've gone on a date with the idea of ending up with a woman is scary to me because I think it all will erase parts of my life in a way I don't want them to.

So I kind of want to girl friend and a boyfriend and yeah.

I mean what you're describing is so funny because that's like the exact thing about like buy women.

Like the entire sort of like homophobic stereotype is like they are going through a phase and they are gonna quote unquote end up with the man.

So you're just like by women for real.

I even made that bi phobic joke to a woman in the audience that I ended up hooking up with.

She was like, I'm by and I was like, where's your boyfriend?

Ha ha ha.

But then I asked, like when was I made that noise?

The audience didn't laugh.

I went, but then I asked like, when was your last eight and she said right now, And so then I like gave her my number and we got wine the next night.

Oh my god, this is cleaning up with by women.

You're literally like.

In high maintenance.

Yeah, it's giving my maintenance for sure.

It's so interesting.

I feel it is it?

I don't know, ye, I feel like a lot of you know, I think there's something we've talked about this on the podcast, Like there's like a gay guy.

We had a person who lives in Berlin and she was telling us like gay guys in Berlin.

The thing to do right now is to have a girlfriend.

And it's like kind of fun to be like, well, yeah, of course I have a girlfriend.

I'm a gay guy living in Berlin.

And there's something where like I feel like our peers who are like, you know, mostly gay guys, have been like, oh, like I would have a threesome with like a man and a woman.

Like there's like a little dip into like what that could be like.

But I feel like you're really putting your money where your mouth is and it's like an interesting it's like an interesting dynamic.

Wait, let's go.

Let's do our first segment.

What do you think, Sam, Yeah, let's do our first segment, Zach.

Our first segment is called Straight Shooters, And in this segment, we test your familiarity with in complicity and gay Oh oh, look at me saying gay culture instead of strade culture.

I'm so disoriented by the concept of someone being bisexual that I I've literally like mixed up my cultures, Zach.

In this game, we test your familiarity with and complicity and straight culture by giving you a series of rapid fire questions where you have to choose one thing or another thing, and the one rule is you can't ask any follow up questions about how the game works.

And if you do a question, no, just getting just kidding.

If you do, we will do biphobia and by erasure to you live on air.

I'm so grateful for that rule because whenever I ask a hypothetical to someone and they start asking questions, I'm like, you're robbing the fun of I answer.

I agree, just answer just.

To people are scared and they're coming from a place of fear.

Okay, Zach, Bernie would have won?

Or come on, it will be fun.

And I'm saying which one is straight?

Oh?

That sounds like a question.

That sounds like a question.

Wait, wow, wow, I don't am I supposed to pick one of these things?

I oh my god.

Literally, I'm hearing so many questions happening.

It's crazy.

I always do this.

By thing was a phase.

Come on, it'll be fun.

Great, okay, Zach, a chip off the old block or a rip in your old sock?

Mike pulling up the booking email, like, what is the game the second one the sock?

Okay?

Seeing Red being bred or giving head.

Seeing Red the Pixar film Turning Red.

That sounds of questioning tones okay, Zach, a butterface or a butter.

Chicken vegetarian butterface, sipping a bordeaux or missing a free throw, missing a free throw, free shake shack for everyone.

Scratch and sniff or track and trace.

Track and trace, who gave me what?

When?

And how?

Okay, now this one's actually gonna be really multicultural.

Are you ready?

Espresso martini or conqusso on that anini?

The definition of conquesso eludes me ergo espresso martini.

Okay, this is like anti Jeopardy.

Yeah, okay, Gone with the Wind or a song by Timberland.

A song by Timberlind.

Okay, so we rank each guest's performance on a scale of zero to one thousand doves.

Now listen.

Am I tempted to punish you for asking so many questions?

Yes?

Of course.

I think it's like when you do that riddle where it's like, don't say no, and then you do the riddle and they say no.

I felt like I got tripped?

Well or were you given very explicit directions?

Yeah?

You know, Zach, I can't help but feel that you're a person that you know despite Okay, I'm remembering the shake shack story, and I'm like, oh, you love a rule?

You you you you want to You're downright litigious if if I'm being honest.

No, you're taking screenshots of this conversation left and right, and you're going to show them to the president and CEO of iHeart.

I have yet to fill out the release form.

I was sent.

Wow, just.

Putting that out there, girls, So I guess it's you know.

Of course, the difficulty becomes like, I loved what you said about how when you ask a hypothetical you hate it when someone asks follow up questions.

But then the second there was any kind of ambiguity, you you you freaked out.

I missed the I don't know if I missed a sentence or this is part of the twisted, sick game you guys play with your guests in order to break us.

Yeah, was I picking the most straight thing.

Sam Zach.

It's not about that.

It's sort of I would say it is a it is an open enough.

I wasn't prepped well enough.

My team didn't prep me well enough.

All right, we need it, We need a score, We need a score.

I'm gonna say I actually like that you challenged us, and I like that when you did, you know, when we got there finally and you were like, okay, I'm answering, then you like got there fast.

You started answering the questions immediately.

And I think we have all learned something from this experience.

There are other guests, you know, we do the segment and then we move on and it's like nothing ever happened, whereas this one I'll remember forever.

So I'm torn between the you know, initial.

Punish, punish, please, punish, pish.

Teachable moment, reward for a teachable moment punish.

What if we were right down the middle and it's a five hundred, that's the worst.

I want to see the moon.

Give me a zero.

No, it's quomo coded.

You got a vomo coded.

You're you're yes, you are quomo coded.

This is a your score is a five hundred.

I'm Sohron.

I'm you wish, you wish, you wish.

I want to win.

Oh.

The whole bisexual thing, it's the original centrism.

That's right.

Being bisexual is a definition of five hundred out of one thousand doves.

My sexuality is actually perfectly maps to Zohron getting forty some percent.

It's the exact percentage.

I'm like, fifty one percent gay.

Beautiful?

What is George the arbiter?

Does Sam get to say.

No, I think I just agreed with George really hard.

We both get to say, but I usually trusted George in this.

Yeah, five hundred doves, that's not even it's one significant figure?

Or is it five hundred period?

Okay, yes, five hundred out of a thousand.

It doesn't sound like a lot.

But imagine looking at five hundred doves.

That would be so majestic.

Yeah, you'd still feel you'd still to be honestly.

Flying or sitting in an open field.

Oh, they're.

Five hundred leg up, five hundred legs here.

You're looking at that, Zach, Are you thinking I wish there were twice as many.

I'm not.

I'm saying that is too many.

I'm thinking, call scientists.

If I see five hundred dead doves, I'm like, something happened at the magician's conference.

Call the scientists.

Yeah, call her daddy, Okay, Zach, I do want to get into topics.

So, Zach, what is your topic today?

And tell us what is straight about it?

My topic today?

And I feel like I'll be breaking news for some people, and some people will be nodding along aggressively.

Is a gentleman named Tim Hayden who everyone who knows him will know him from TikTok and Instagram as the guy who gives away watches.

So this is breaking news to us.

Neither of us are familiar with this man already.

I'm like, this is a character, like I can see this man.

The name.

First of all, the name Tim, people don't realize because people love to use names like Chad to talk about like the most straight sounding male name.

But actually the name Tim is incredibly straight.

To me.

I've never met a gay Tim Tim Cook.

But other than that, it's.

Again, never met him.

I stand by what I said, would love to.

I know Tim my Fire Island boyfriend Freman third.

Actually yeah, but you know you know that phrase.

They're the exception that proves the rule that's true.

Tim is straight.

So it explains why he's part of straight culture, part of Internet.

What's so painful about our fragmented digital ecosystem is there are celebrities in different communities that people have no idea about.

This man his stick.

He started a watch company from his kitchen.

He's an entrepreneur.

He's forty seven.

He sits in random places around the globe with goes live and has people find him.

And if you find him during a challenge and say a password, you're giving a free watch.

Now the password you must have guesses?

What do you think the password is?

It's different?

Wait, there's the password remains the same.

The same password, it's the same phrase.

And it's a little queer.

And can I ask you something?

How do you find out the password by word of mouth?

It's so interesting.

I actually won't be taking any questions.

I'm so sorry.

That's part of.

You are loved.

If it's queer coded.

You're incredibly close.

That is powerful.

Whoa okay?

Okay?

Is it?

Love is love?

You're right?

The first word is right.

Love.

Love is all around us?

Wins further?

What else?

What describes sort of an adventure?

Love is a battle.

We're all on a we're all on the.

Journey, but not a journey.

Love possessive loves journey possessive love?

Who's journey?

Your journey?

Your journey is love?

Wait, you had it, but you infantilize the word love.

Uh, love is a journey?

Love?

No, no, no, no, not loves oh love, just love love, love your journey.

Who's your journey?

Hashtag love your journey?

If you run up to Tim.

These are straight men across the world are running up to this bald British man and yelling love your journey, and he's handing them a watch.

And the Internet loves it.

The Internet is so excited about this man.

It's somehow inspirational content when it's just a watch giveaway.

It's this is actually like brilliant.

I'm like, I'm actually experiencing as Mr levels of hair raising excitement right now, like you're telling me.

There is a man named Tim Hayden.

He started a watch company and from his kitchen, from his kitchen, folks, he goes live on Instagram and a bunch of straight guys follow him say love your journey, love your journey, love your journey, and they get let's all say it five times so we really remember it.

Girls.

I also want to say, it's not to toot our own horn, and specifically Sam's I guess, but we got that pretty fast.

I'm I'm at that clear coded and queer love is love.

You knew love was in it, but you know what, though, I see why you would say that's queer coded, and of course love is queer coded and journey is queer coded.

But love your journey.

It's very straight to me.

Yes, straight man, hey, hey.

Yeah, it's straight man journey.

It's straight man an even straight woman even like Oprah.

Yeah, but you're like Oprah would say.

To me, and maybe it's just my I can't not hear in a gay guy's voice and sort of being like love your journey, Like, oh my, I see your journey and I love your journey.

But I guess he's saying you know the journey like you.

He's not saying I love your journey.

He's saying you need to love your journey.

Love your journey is also very much like a Kamala campaign slogan.

It's also like a fucking superu ad or something.

It's a tattoo on your lower back or your wrist.

I think wrist and even rib.

Whoa I find Okay, we need to talk about this type of inspirational content in general.

It's so empty, like the fact that it's a watch, that he's just giving you a watch.

You didn't do anything, You just like were unemployed that day and so you could leave the house and go find him, and so it was like there's something where it's like with this this, we've lost what inspirational content is even supposed to be.

Like it's supposed to be like a kid hearing again for the first time, or like.

Yes, two animals that are different.

Yes, a dog seeing his owner come back from war, for example.

A kid seeing another kid they're friends with, yeah, or saying thank you mommy when given something.

And we've like really lost the thread and now it is just like you did this, you found me and got a watch, and it's like, yeah, but that's not an accomplishment inherently.

No, finding God is an accomplishment finding like fulfillment is an accomplish.

You just found just found.

Too, And I guess is the accomplishment that he doesn't actually give you information about where he is and you have to like take in his surroundings.

Yeah, and figure it out, GEO.

The guys and gals who are searching on the internet based on clues.

Sure, No, here's the thing.

Or you just walk by him, right, you walk by.

Him and you recognize him because he's so famous.

I mean, I do think there is I think that's a slight accomplishment.

Is it enough to.

Love your journey?

Maybe not, but like I would feel very accomplished if I saw him live and I recognized the block he was on and then I knew to walk there.

Do you remember when, like I feel like this was around two thousand and nine, maybe twenty ten, Like Twitter was around, but it was like new, and it would be a thing where like Ellen would be in Chicago and she'd post like I'm at the Bean and everyone would go to the bean.

Ah, this was happening left and right.

It used to mean something because it was like a celeb and it would be like first five people to find me, you get tickets.

It's a nice show.

That doesn't happen anymore.

Now you're just finding a guy who's not famous who's giving you a watch.

Totally, and I actually think it also harkens back to a time of like optimism about technology and the internet.

Totally, like total idea that Ellen would invite people to locate.

Her is so.

Completely insane these days, Like there are so many stories of like celebrities being stalked, people committing terrorist attacks.

You would not as Ellen or as any celebrity make it a challenge for someone to find you at the bean.

It's sort of brave or yeah, it's terrifying that he would tell you where he is.

He's assuming people are good.

And I actually think so much of this kind of video content because this also reminds me of.

The return of Man on the Street stuff.

It's almost like wanting to have that old optimism about people despite all evidence pointing to the opposite.

Like we've already learned that these things do not end well, and yet you're trying to do Man on the Street interviews.

Why right, why hasn't Tim been found in murdered.

Yeah, Like, okay, so, yeah, you.

Were describing how accomplished you would feel if you saw him online and found him.

I will admit I was aware of this man through my algorithm, potentially through my bisexuality.

When I learned he was in New York this month, I did follow, I did see he go went live.

I did recognize the store he was in front of, and that I was eight minutes away from it.

And where was it.

I'm curious.

He's on Fifth Avenue in front of like an Italian deli with sort of a very specific design, and I clocked that avenue in Brooklyn, in Brooklyn, and I sprinted.

I think I had a chance, and I sprinted to this man.

I screamed, love your Journey.

He said, I'm not doing a challenge right now, and he gave me this key chain.

No, my god, that's okay.

I found him.

It was the most mortified I've ever been.

I thought I was getting like a two thousand dollars watch for this sprint.

I sprinted for a keychain, and then I look up.

The watches are two hundred bucks.

They're not even like luxury watches.

Well, of course, or two hundred bucks.

He's making an damn kitchen.

I'm sorry, Just in case, in case anyone isn't watching.

What Zach just showed us is a key chain that has a single circular white plastic object that says hashtag love your Journey.

And that makes it straight, really and it makes it a font in a font that I would.

Say combines outdoorsy with pinterest.

I'd say, you know, I've clearly Tim bought two thousand of these for ten dollars, and it's so upsetting that that's what he gave you.

I'm sorry that happened to you.

Did it?

It was so I didn't feel robbed.

I think so that I felt like, oh I just I'm sweating now on one hundred degree day in park slow.

Well clearly depends my but don't you feel more?

Don't you feel more robbed?

I mean, if you were to not get anything, at least you could be like, well, okay, so I didn't make it this time.

Next time I'll be were motivated and get there earlier.

But to have this be part of the design, oh, interesting.

Some people get key chains.

That is false advertising, right, I'm like, oh, I didn't almost win.

I got the consolation prize and their ten thousand consolation prizes exactly.

I find that it's interesting that you were ready to light up a Shakeshack employee over some false advertising, but you let this man get away without, you know, fighting him to be.

Honest in his defense.

Which why am I jumping to that?

Usually he has his an iPad up that's counting down the seconds of a challenge, and so I'm kind of a fair weather fan just followed the account was making big assumptions that I was entitled.

To a watch.

I think I could have put on a little bit of a show, but he was live streaming at the time, and I didn't want to be like, well, I deserve a watch man.

Maybe I fell victim to something because he's not a corporation's not shake shocked.

Please don't blame yourself.

I think you should blame yourself a little.

I'm trying to.

I'm really trying to hashtag blame yourself a little.

That's Sam ski chains that he's giving out.

I just am sort of shocked.

I'm shocked at the density of straight elements to this.

And I'm sorry to start listing because I realized it's the lowest form of cultural production.

Is making lists.

But I just want to list like this is watches one of the straightest jewelry.

Okay, watch first of all, watches, second of all.

Startup mythology.

The idea of someone starting a business in their kitchen, starting a business in their basement.

That's very Mark Zuckerberg, Coda.

That's very Silicon Valley.

So so okay.

We have.

Watches, startup mythology.

Viral marketing campaigns.

You know, it's very like flash mob sort of aesthetics.

And specifically dated viral marketing campaigns.

Dated viral marketing campaigns.

Man named Tim Geo tagging slash mass surveillance.

Kind of a mister Beast level.

He's my favor Classy mister Beast.

Classy mister Beast false promises because this I the idea is that the watch is a luxury product, but in fact, I just want to say, two hundred dollars is the worst possible price for a watch, because either you want like a fun Cassio watch that's like thirty dollars, or you want like an actually expensive one that's like two thousand dollars more.

But two hundred you are guaranteeing that this is a bad product.

Did I bring the straightest thing?

I honestly think you might have.

Yeah.

No, I'm like shocked.

I'm really oddly proud.

Yeah, I know I think this.

By the way, this makes up for your five hundred score.

I mean we are talking extra credit up at the wazoo.

Well, I think there's something but in this that is like five hundred deads.

This this the first time they've.

Been oh yeah, yeah, and you can.

And by the way, you when you went to pick them up, it turns out you're only getting a key chain.

I'm just like, did my magicians joke make it in?

Do we think we're gonna hope, We're gonna let's hope.

So let's hope.

So yeah, listeners, I made an amazing joke.

Might not make the edit due to my Internet.

I think the fact.

Okay, there's something that I can't tell if it's like short sighted or really far sighted about creating a watch company for the sole purpose of using it to create a viral challenge.

Like they I can't tell, like if that's the smartest thing I've ever heard or the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

No, I'm serious saying.

And also I can't tell if it's straight or gay, because you know, what it sort of gives is like a drag queen starting a line of socks, like it is.

There's there's a sort of there's a kind of charming desperate but even the like.

I like the charming aspiration, there's a way that they're like, he's sort of doing inception on people to be like he's making the watches, then he makes the viral challenges.

Then he's like, oh, these are the watches from the viral challenges, and the people I guess I want the watch from the viral challenge.

But he made the watch and the viral challenge, so none of it is authentic.

And he's and he symbolizes something like you see him.

I saw Tim.

I found Tim like he's more than the watches a little bit.

Another short thing about this is like he the sort of amazing race element where it's like travel where he can be anywhere at any time and you never know where he is.

I do want to say, what what drew me to this is.

It felt like a drag queen meet and greet.

It felt like a similar enthusiasm, like oh my god, I want to see my favorite and not everyone knowing who he is as part of the allure to I don't know if that's straight or gay, But like I found Tim.

When I posted that I found Tim, no one knew who he was, but the two people who did.

I was like, now, I like, welst need you to name the two people who did, because.

Tim Cook and Mark Zuckerberg.

Because wow, I say, this is like such a weird twist for your like I'm getting that you love free stuff.

This is something I've learned about you over the last hour.

But I told you there are two things you need to know.

But like my burgeoning bisexuality, love free stuff, and I love free things.

But to go to this man and like be like to say his catchphrase at him, I'm really blown away.

No, but I was.

It was cumiliating.

In hindsight, I can relate to this, Zach because it's like, you know what it is, Okay.

One time The Gap does these vintage drops where they sell vintage products from like eighties and nineties Gap.

Okay, it's an advance.

For being vulnerable.

I can feel this is going to be embarrassing at your expense, and I'm grateful for it.

So I and I think there's such fun stuff that you can find that's like nineties Gap, like an old polo that's a little you know, frayed, or like a fun denim short whatever.

And you know, if you happen to be by your email when you get the thing, then you go and you and you know, you have like thirty seconds to see if there's anything you want.

One time I got one of these emails.

It said vintage Gap drop.

I go and there's only one thing left, and it was this like acid washed denim, these acid washed knee length denim shorts that were like very youthful, like very gen z not something I would wear, but I really I was like, I have to make a game time decision.

I convinced myself in the moment that this was a smart purchase and they and I paid seventy five dollars for them.

Wow.

And when I tell you, it's a year later and I have them tag on in my closet.

But it was never about wearing them exactly.

It was about it was about the scare.

City is about the scarcity of the product and the fact that I accomplish something by actually like being there on time.

It's sort of you feel like, Wow, I'm in the right place at the right time for history.

I mean, history is happening, the Revolutionist here, whatever, everything is history.

This is like a nice It's like getting a Britney Spears ticket or I don't know, or Beyonce ticket being in line at Ticketmaster.

It's like getting a rainbow bagel or something, even though you know that it's not going to be good, it's not going to be as good as just like a normal bagel.

I do have to share that the diner by my house is taking rainbow bagels and making turkey clubs with them, and the product is called the Pride Turkey Club, which scans perfectly to Pink Pony Club Song of the Summer Song of the Summer Pride Turkey Club.

Well, that's kind of fun.

Now if someone if someone was giving out a Pride Turkey Club on the on Fifth Avenue and I was running, and it's a way I'm running.

Sam, do you run to anything free or you want to play?

So something I feel like when I was in my twenties, I likes early twenties, I was obsessed with free and I would like do anything for free, and I would like go to those websites where they'd be like, here's all the free things you can do, here's everything, Like I was.

I was all I was like.

I was like imagining, like oh, I'm going to write a book about like how to never spend a dollar and like still have the best life or whatever.

And then something shifted and I it wasn't having more money.

It was like the free thing started to piss me off, where I was like, I actually don't like this, Like I'd actually rather do nothing and stay at home than do this.

I'd rather read a fucking book or watch a TV show than I then run to this thing and go to this show or whatever.

And I think New York kind of shook it out of me, to be honest, I think Chicago had a lot of really good free programming and I was like always doing free stuff that was fun, and then I went to New York and anything that was free was a fucking nightmare.

And I said enough, it's time to respect myself and stop going for free.

And now I'm almost someone that like resents a deal like I like, I'm almost.

I don't know what has happened, but I'm like, I don't need to.

Like, if I want the thing, I want the thing.

If I don't want the thing, I don't want the thing.

It doesn't matter if if it happens to be on sale and I want it, good.

If it's not on sale and I want it, I'm getting it.

Like I resent that being something that influences me and so I try to ignore it.

That's interesting.

How does this intersect with the list being on the list getting into the event for free being sent, the being sent the apple is the new TV show box, is that freed.

And as welcome being invited with Special.

Screening RSVP limited show up early.

There's gonna be a reception afterwards, maybe I'll go.

If Getty's there, Sam's going there, I'm going.

If it's just if it's just, if it's just seeing the thing, I'm like, no, no, thank you.

I'll see it when it's my time to see it.

I know there's something interesting.

It's like, so, okay, there's being a civilian.

There's being on the list, and there's being a guest of honor, and and I.

Think the thing, and then there's being the tim.

Yes, and there's something about like the way when you're a civilian, your dream is to get on the list.

When you're on the list, you resent the fact that you are the least prestigious person there, Like it's actually better to just not be there at the beginnet totally.

If you're what's the next.

If you're honor, you're resenting not being or is guest of honor being the thing?

Well, this is okay.

So let's say the product is the big new energy drink.

So the thing it's let's call it George George.

Everybody's drinking George George hydration.

The thing itself, I guess is like the CEO of the company, the guest of honor.

I guess is like, you know what it is.

It's like the people that are in the comm's team and the marketing team, and it's like it's their event.

They are moderately proud of themselves, but they also know what their income is and it's not as much as they deserve.

Then there's the list and that we're talking just like influencers.

We're talking Tim Hayden level influencers.

The biggest eyes you've ever seen, Yeah, their eyes take up half their face, the widest teeth.

Yeah.

And so you're seeing these images on Getty Images as a civilian and you're like, wow, I wish I had been invited to that party.

But if you're at that party, the conversations you're having are with the most brain dead people imaginable.

None of them have any life behind their eyes.

They have no dreams or talent other than literally tagging themselves in a Getty image.

So then you resent yourself for being part.

Of that MM And then THEE does the CEO want to be a civilian?

Is there a way to make it a circle not a ladder?

No, that's an interesting, I guess way.

Nice, but I think it's the ladder way.

CEO the CEO is then invited to some other event that's like for a real business.

It's like he's he goes to.

Dovos and he's like, I said it first, but said it wrong, and.

We both had that on the brain.

Though that's good.

And he at Davos, he's he's like a nobody.

He's like, I'm a fucking loser.

He's a fucking loser.

He's literally like raising his hand to ask Tim Cook a question at a Q and a.

Oh that hurts.

You're activating a memory.

I don't know if we have time for it.

Well please, I bet we might please.

I recently was subject to the Internet made fun of an outfit I wore and uh go look, I saw it.

But I was invited to be on the Drew Barrymore Show about it, and I was like, this is hilarious.

I'm going to go on and talk about how I got rejected from a date because of this bad outfit.

As the emails progress, it becomes clear I will be in the audience raising my hand and asking a question to a dating expert and I can get a photo.

It drew in the commercial.

Break and so ultimately, while it would have been fun, I had to respect myself and politely decline the opportunity.

But raising your question hand to ask a question is a particularly subordinate position.

Rather than standing next to Tim Cook on stage promoting George Hydration.

Zach, I'm so proud of you for respecting yourself and saying no to this.

I'm really proud of you too.

I had to call a lot of people.

It wasn't easy.

It was days of wondering what if no?

You respecting yourself?

I almost never regret when I say, you know what, I'm good, I'm like, usually it's a good sign.

I felt I was gonna say no to being on Stradio Lab, but the base myself and went into the went into the sludge, and I'm grateful for it.

Oh honey.

No one makes out of your own scathed.

Yeah, no one.

No one is.

If you think you're going to get to the George Hydration Party for being a STRADIOLB guest.

George hid Party and we're George.

Okay.

I'm trying to think, do we wanna bring it back to Tim Hayden.

Does he have more to offer us?

Yeah?

Like, I mean, I think we've said, We've said a lot and I'm this, you know.

It's like you've introduced something into my life that is now going to be part of it forever.

I think you should and I follow him and it might bring you a little joy.

I see myself following him.

Now here's a question.

And I'm looking at photos of him.

That's why you're seeing my screen reflected on me.

It's not that he is forty seven and looks sixty five, not to So.

Here's the thing.

It's very confusing because he actually is He both is hot and isn't hot in a very confusing Yeah.

It depends on the angle and the picture.

It's strange because like, wait, his watches.

Oh no, that's what people are running towards.

Wait, can I actually say one more thing?

So I want to say something about love your journey, because there's something very interesting that's happening here, which is the watch itself is a tota.

It is a symbol of his journey, of his entrepreneurial journey.

The watch exists not to tell time, not to be a piece of jewelry.

It exists as proof that you can pursue your dream.

It the whether or not, whether or not it is a good watch, a nice watch.

Whether it's aesthetically pleasing, whether or not you even wanted is besides the point.

Everything is just a temple to the idea of entrepreneurs Well, this is the.

Whole thing with current entrepreneurship, Internet entrepreneurship.

It entrepreneurship is in itself a pyramid scheme.

It is just a way to say, like, I'm an entrepreneur and you can be too if you respect and love my journey and like, look at how I've done it.

Of course I'm I'm heated about this because the guy who shares my name, Sam Taggert, is an entrepreneur and he is the He goes to conferences to teach entrepreneurship and salesmanship, and his whole thing is an empire of people taking his classes and buying his books on entrepreneurship.

But that's how he has his money is through the classes in the books and so like.

But what is he selling.

He's selling entrepreneurship.

It's so this is that's what made.

As you're saying this, I'm throwing through photos.

There is a photo of him launching one of his new watches.

It says, introducing the entrepreneur.

I'm not making this up.

One of his watches is called the Entrepreneur he Is.

It's he is.

It's literally like and it's an ugly.

Or I think I want to say rhet or orange is the blurry photo strap it.

He is selling the idea of someone being a watch entrepreneur, to whom also like, well, this.

Is talk about masculinity is in a crisis.

Like men straight men are like, how do I have worth?

Like and it's like there's a it's like a classic get rich quick thing, but there's like but if they're like, if I could just start a business or two, I will be an entrepreneur.

And then when people ask me what I do, I can tell them I'm an entrepreneur.

It doesn't matter if the business is going well or if it's not.

But I have a business and that is hard, and that is the whole thing, is like branding yourself as an entrepreneur.

So along those lines.

The idea of entrepreneurship, you have to want to do something quote unquote Bowld like you want to be the next Steve Jobs, the next Mark Zuckerberg, and so you have to have this narrative that you took a huge risk and yet I'm looking.

At these watches.

These watches are just big versions of existing watches.

He did not innovate, No, he literally did not innovate, but by being in the middle, not to be contrarian, but by finding a price point no one wants.

That's true, You're absolutely right.

Actually, but he's creating a thing no one wants and has found a way to sell it to everyone.

Yeah, he's sort of like that clothing company Quinn's, which sells like designs that more expensive brands produced but at a lower but they like look a little bit different and they're cheaper.

I'm telling you what.

This guy is making me sick.

I'm nauseous thinking about this watches.

That shit pisses me off to no end.

This is just fresh because I did it last night.

I bought some Life cereal and I reflected on why are they allowed to call it that?

Because it's not life.

I know.

It's crazy.

People have been selling.

Brands are always selling.

They're not selling the products.

They're selling ideas.

They're selling.

Life is selling crusty, dried life.

See hashtag life.

Is delicious, hashtag you found me.

But I think George is right that love your journey is actually the product and so the straight culture isn't Tim Hayden.

The episode title is hashtag love your Journey.

I think I would and I would appreciate that more if the journey like just was like somewhere other than entrepreneurship, like if you were almost more vague, and it would be like, I love your journey, like life is a journey.

This is the journey watch.

I would be like, Okay, now this I love like because it's like it's you know, that's vague, it's about something.

But so he's like, this is your journey to make one million dollars and it's like that no one cares about that.

And it's he's tracking time, which is I don't own watches.

Yeah, they're a shackle to time, which I don't really care for.

Yah.

Right, that's it.

You're absolutely right that It's like there's actually two layers of worthless symbolism.

One is the entrepreneurship symbolism and the other one is the watch symbolism.

There's something about a watch.

It's like it's a serious product.

Like he's not selling you know, bandanas.

You know, it's cheesy branding that I'm actually in comparison to this, I'm loving.

I'm like, you know who nailed it.

Life's good.

People that wear a Life's Good T shirt.

I'm like, you know what good for you?

It's unseerious.

I just want to chill out.

I'm saying thank you.

And also, you did sort of innovate.

You know, you put a little cartoon stick figure on a shirt.

You're pretty much Keith Haring.

Yeah, life is Good is actually Keith Harriss for great people.

Complimentary of course, I mean, damn, I haven't been so he does.

Radio Lab have a slogan, Well, we have various phrases.

So you know, our listeners are called glamour girls.

We we have wait, what were the things we just coined?

Sam?

Recently, there was that one episode we coined a buzzle.

Well, we thought we have expired quirk, which is when a celebrity gets too weird, like they're there you love their quirk, and then suddenly people turn on it and speaking of course, look like Jennifer Lawrence.

And then you can we have Taking the context pill means that if you don't if you lack context for something, you needed to take a context pill.

That's that's a good declaration, like love your journey, so.

Yes, are we leaving money on the table by not making merch?

And then we created, of course Lizzo's Pass, which is one of our most uh widespread ideas, which is yes, I mean that's basically Sam's life work.

Yeah.

Is it sort of a get out of cancel jail free card.

No, it's it's about when an artist who is like kind of coming up up and like having a big blow up moment and is cool and people love where they they're they're at Lizzo's Pass and they have to decide do they want to go towards Pitchfork or do they want to go towards Target.

And it's so this is named after when Lizzo was first coming up and she was cool, she was like endorsed people, was cool.

Yeah, and so she chose to target hard.

Gotcha.

I thought it was very different.

I thought it was like Lizzo's allegations, she gets a Passo's Pass.

It's sort of a that's very mythic.

That's yes, I'm going to Mordor.

I've reached Lizzo's Pass.

And of course the very treacherous question, it's very treacherous.

And you know when we first when it first started gaining traction was when we were debating where Chapel if Chapel at Lozzo's pass, would choose, Pitchfork or Target.

Have we seen anything we think we need the second album to come in?

Yes, I think that's what.

I think we need the second album to come.

Well know for sure.

But it's a scary time.

She's the wind is blowing.

She's like, I don't know which way to go?

Ah, Who's who's her gandolf?

Who are her?

Who's who's guiding?

And that Sasha Colby is her gandolf?

Yeah?

No, it Isol, And they're giving her very conflicting advice.

Let me tell you right, Sasha is pitch for and Target Target.

I mean someone once told me you have to decide as an actor do you want to be in movies or do you want to play regional theaters?

And you have to be honest with yourself because you'll be unhappy if you're in the slot or don't want to be in.

If you want to be in movies, go try being movies.

If you want to be a regional theater actor, go be a regional theater actor.

It's a good life in both.

You have to be honest and look within.

Now that's interesting, George says, so skeptically, I do, may I may I make an observation for my life, George, I was in I like going to Paris, it's a very pleasant city.

But then I went to Athens and the people of Greece are so so friendly, yeah, so kind.

I got bit by a cat.

This owner gave me like a band aid and a lollipop, and all my while there thinking how wonderful the people of Greece are.

I couldn't help but wonder what happened with George severis.

No, it's true, and it's because I spent six very formative years in New Jersey and it really.

Knocked it out of me.

But actually what you're saying is very is very true, and Greek people very farse.

Greek people are like some of the only people who actually are pro who live in a tourist destination, who are a pro tourist.

Like you know how there's all these like.

Anti tourist demonstrations in like Barcelona or something that would never happen in Greece.

Like Greek people know that all the money in the economy comes from tourism, and they are like desperate to drive the boat that takes you from one island to the other.

Oh.

No, that makes the niceness I encounter, you know a little more.

Like please spend money.

I guess what.

Currently, things are going very well.

So it's you know, if you were there in like twenty fourteen, it would be a different story.

All of which is say the way you said that's interesting, I could smell a sinister turnd Well, you.

Know you said something that was like doing regional theater or doing movies.

Both of them are good, good lives, good lives, And I'm like.

To be honest, Yes, it depends on what region, honey.

Depends on what region, and depends what roles you're getting.

We're talking south, We're talking Kansas City.

No, we're where's the worst from Kansas City?

Could be kind of south west.

Oh, I just mean like regional theater, the pay of doing regional theater some places, I actually live a life in some places you can.

So I think we should do our final segment.

Is that crazy?

You're unhinged?

This has been a really eye opening episode.

Well, first of all, I have no idea how long it is because we had so many typical difficulties.

We've been recording for about two hours, but how much of it will work.

I'm not sure it's going to be a thirty minute episode or a two year episode.

Even if it's just the Tim Hayden portion.

I'm like, Tim Hayden is going to be such radio lab lore from now on.

Like we're talking, when we post this episode, you better believe I'm sending a collab request to the Tim Hayden account.

If I in a month, you both are going to have fourteen entrepreneur watches on your wrists.

You're hustling, you're wearing.

Some of them are called the green Point and the park Slope.

Literally, oh my god, Okay, well now I'm interested.

Now you're interested.

Two green points?

Please.

This segment have weird rules.

This segment actually does not have weird rules.

This segment is very straightforward, I believe it or not, No pun intended.

So zach Our final segment is called shout Outs, and in this segment we pay homage to the great straight tradition of the radio shout out.

So you're at TRL shouting out to your squad back home, you're on Z one hundred.

You know you're saying I want to shout out X and it can be anything to be a person, product, place, thing, and we think of them on the spot, which is why I'm sort of vamping right now.

Sam and I will go first.

Sam, do you have one?

Oh, brother, Now this is interesting.

I don't currently have one, but let me reflect for one moment.

No, we were going to reflect.

We're going to reflect, boots.

Mother is reflecting.

Mother is quiet, Mother is reflecting.

I could be using this time to think of mine, but I refuse.

Oh brother, everything I have is like a complaint in some capacity.

Okay, let me try.

Damn, you're catching us truly.

Like at the end of our I'm like, my brain is empty.

I use my last brain stell to think about Tim Hayden.

My brain's my brain's been fried.

Have you done a pod since you got married?

That's just the one right before this, and a Patreon before that and Patreon.

Have you shouted out your new husband?

Oh, you should shout out Misha.

That might be nice.

Yeah, that might be nice, Sam, what's up press and.

Perverts around the globe.

I want to give a shout out to my new husband.

We have been together for eleven years and are now married.

For four days.

Uh, and it's just to die for.

I want to give a shout out to everyone who came to the wedding.

And you know how comedians are not the most obedient crowd.

They are living out loud and doing their own thing.

And everyone was so respectful of both being assigned seats, which is pretty rare.

I was surprised everyone sat where they were intended to sit and they were.

You'd say, okay, sit, we're gonna start out, and everyone did, and I said, Wow, everyone's really coming together for a special moment.

I want to give a shout out to Macy Rodman for djaying and making the party so electric and fun in a way that I could have never ever expected.

And I want to give a shout out to a Bernese, my favorite restaurant, who did such a verat job hosting, and Metropolitan for being a wedding venue which no one ever thought possible and yet there it was.

And shout out to at jokes On, Sam, the wedding photographer, who was to die for, and that's everyone so like, so Sam.

What's up?

Freaks some losers.

I want to give a shout out to Mary Don Taggart Sam's mom for absolutely slaying her toast boots down.

She got up.

I said, there wasn't even a warm up period.

We're talking punchlines from sentence one, clause one of sentence one.

First syllable.

I'm laughing.

This is a you know, I would say, uh, I'm trying to even find the right reference for which comedian.

She reminded me of.

And I can only think of comedians.

Who have flaws where a is Sam's mom actually was flawed less.

And so I think she is in a league of her own.

I think she is ready to hit the open mic scene in New York, LA, Chicago, wherever she thinks her sensibility fits in best.

I do think she is kind of like her own voice, and I think she can fit in anywhere while also remaining unique and retaining her unique sensibility.

And I want to give a special shout out to her iconic pink dress, which was so absolutely she it was completely timeless.

There were you know, there was a sort of feather moment that felt very kind of like celebratory.

In summary, it was a perfect bright pink color that actually like transcended barbikore, you know, on a lesser wearer of it, it would have referenced Barbikore, but it was almost like she was saying, you think I'm going to reference Barbikore?

Who got another thing coming?

And so I just want to say, you know, it was so lovely to see her.

I had such a lovely.

Time catching up with her, one of the best hosts I've ever had when I stayed at Sam's house.

And I just hope.

She's doing really well and I can't wait to see her next time.

Who what's up, faggots?

I want to shout out Andrew Cuomo, thank you King for wasting all of door Dash's money and Michael Bloomberg's money, but seriously shouting out Zopron Mount Donnie went in the primary, come on King, Democrat socialists remains.

I can't wait to see some transformation in the city.

And you're a cutie pie, although I do on a hold space for people that are now older than the soon to be mayor of New York, which is a very humbling experience.

Pivoting to shout out to some media, I'm consuming rewatch of breaking Bad, having a lot of fun there, having the urge to try meth and or make it went to CBS, couldn't buy sudafed and murma use next shouting out, David protein bars, their macros are great and they're tasty, shouting out, I'm taking across country Amtrak rides to avoid all prides and so shouting out Amtrak for that.

But yeah, vibes are.

Good, feeling fresh xx x x x oh ten thousand dead doves?

Who zach.

Early XXXXO.

Well, I can't even get into my thoughts on David bars, but I will let you have that one.

They're bad, I imagine, but they are so bad for me or the No, I don't care how bad they are for me.

I find them so disgusting.

Do you not?

All protein bars are disgusting.

You have to develop It's an acquired taste, like beer and wine.

And what about bear bells?

What are bear bells?

So you gotta go buy beare belts?

Are they good?

Yeah, they're really good.

They taste No, none of them are good for you, but they are, you know, twenty trainy grams of protein and they really taste like a Snicker's bar.

They're delicious.

Wait, twenty grams of fruits?

How many calories?

I don't know?

Girls, girls, girls.

Enough, we're fighting, Okay.

Our producer is saying they're two hundred and forty calories.

Is that a lot of a little?

She said, two hundred and forty.

Is that two hundred forty calories or the number of minutes we've got?

Who damn gott us?

Well, Zach, I would like to give you.

I would personally like to give you an opportunity to promote your work, Oh my god, and tell people where they can find you go.

Part of the rush is you have to work to find me, and when you do, I will give you a free watch so you guys can search online.

You know, you know where to go.

It takes a little effort, but it's worth the effort because you are loving your journey.

And I did put a special out on YouTube if you want to have an hour of laughs and two minutes of ads.

And what is that special called.

It's called surprise me.

Type in Zack Zimmerman, surprise me on YouTube.

It's about my search for love and a broken world with conservative family members, evil gay men, and self love.

Well there you go.

Wow and just like that heard of her and just like.

That, Well, thanks for doing the pod.

It has been an honor.

Thank you for speaking out.

We have to thank you for introducing us to Tim Hayden.

I'm sorry and you love your journey.

Love your journey, Zach, Please love your journey.

Do not forget Okay, all right?

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