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Trump’s Crypto Fortune Melts Down as Bitcoin Breaks the $80K Line

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Speaker 1

It is Monday, November twenty four, twenty twenty five, and if you have been anywhere near the screens lately, you know that the last few weeks have been well a shockwave across the digital asset space.

This isn't just volatility.

Yeah, this feels like capitulation.

Speaker 2

That's absolutely right.

I mean we're navigating what you can only describe as extreme market conditions.

Bitcoin has suffered a well a historic route.

It's wiped out all of its hard won gains from twenty twenty five.

What started the year with all this institutional hope, all this bullish momentum, It's now become profoundly defensive.

Speaker 1

Any sentiment is just god.

Speaker 2

Sentiment is defined by one key characteristic right now, unadulterated fear.

Speaker 1

So we have a massive amount of material to unpack today in this rundown.

Our mission really is to connect three enormous, interconnected themes that are dominating everything right.

Speaker 2

First, we're going to do a forensic breakdown of Vicoin's shirt plunge.

We need to go beyond just the price on the screen and look deep into the driver's market.

Speaker 1

That's what signaling the intense pain exactly.

Speaker 2

It reveals the real mechanics of this downward spiral.

Speaker 1

Okay.

And second, we're going to move from those macro mechanics to a very specific, very high profile story of financial.

Speaker 2

Contraction, the Trump families crypto linked to wealth.

Speaker 1

Yeah, we're going to detail how billions in paper wells built on these really concentrated bets have basically evaporated in a matter of weeks.

Speaker 2

And then finally we'll shift focus to the alt coin ecosystem.

And it's a story of contrasts.

Really.

You have this institutional panic and massive d risking on one side, and on the other strategic contrarian accumulation, specifically in ethereum, and the emergence of these powerful new AI driven projects that seem to you know, completely defy the current fear index.

Speaker 1

Let's start with Bitcoin then, because the price action isn't just a data point.

It feels like the shockwave driving every other decision in the market.

Right now.

Speaker 2

When we talk about a shockwave, we are talking about magnitude.

The market had established this, this psychological stronghold forcoin.

You're the ninety seven thousand dollar mark.

Speaker 1

Right that was the consolidation range e and was watching the.

Speaker 2

New floor, the new floor exactly, and we watched that level break with frightening speed.

Bitcoin briefly touched eighty nine thousand dollars, which confirmed the structural breakdown, and then recently hit an extremely worrying low of eighty thousand, five hundred and forty eight dollars.

Speaker 1

That five hundred and forty eight dollars number is so critical not just because it's a low, but because it retroactively just invalidates the entire twenty twenty five bull run thesis for so many traders.

It pulls the coin's year to date performance into negative territory, which.

Speaker 2

Means anyone who bought bitcoin at any point this year is now sitting on an unrealized loss, assuming they haven't averaged down aggressively.

Speaker 1

And the psychological impact of erasing an entire year's worth of games, Yeah, you can't overstate.

Speaker 2

That, you really can't.

And when we zoom out and look at the total market route, the figures are just staggering.

Since bitcoin's peak of one hundred and twenty six thousand, two hundred dollars back in October, we've seen over a trillion dollars in value just limited across the entire digital asset space This isn't the gentle correction of a healthy bull market.

This is a systemic leverage driven cascade, and.

Speaker 1

Leverage really is the engine of this crash.

We've got data from coin Glass showing that total market liquidations just bleue past the billion dollar marks.

Speaker 2

A billion, and Bitcoin contributed a massive chunk of that, right.

Speaker 1

Five hundred and sixty nine point three seven million dollars at that total.

For those who aren't steeped in the market mechanics, liquidations are a forced sell off of these leverage positions.

Speaker 2

And they're often triggered automatically when margin requirements aren't met.

It creates this this self feeding downward pressure that just accelerates the whole collapse.

So domino effect is Nigel Green, the CEO of de Vere Group, explain this perfectly.

He emphasized that when people borrow heavily use leverage to magnify their gains, any unexpected reversal forces the exchanges to just close those positions right to prevent further losses, and this forced selling floods the market with supply at the absolute worst possible time, which pushes prices down faster than any organic selling pressure ever could.

Speaker 1

That process of forced selling is what defines capitulation.

Yeah, and you can see it reflected perfectly in the mood of the market, the fearing greed index.

I mean, we use it as a thermometer for market psychology.

Speaker 2

It plunged, It plunged dramatically to a reading of eleven.

A reading of eleven is not just fear.

It's deep, bone chilling, extreme fear territory.

Speaker 1

Historically, though, are reading that low can sometimes signal a bottom, can it?

It can?

Speaker 2

It often indicates a momentary bottoming process because it suggests that almost everyone who wanted to sell in a panic has now done so.

It implies emotional exhaustion.

Speaker 1

But that's just sentiment.

Speaker 2

That's just sentiment.

Yeah, the technical structure suggests we are in very serious strouble.

Speaker 1

Okay, let's talk about the charts, because despite that deep over sold signal, the outlook is well.

He called it defensive.

Speaker 2

The word defensive is key.

We completely lack the characteristics of a healthy bulltrend, you know, higher highs and higher lows, sustained volume on rallies.

That's all gone.

Speaker 1

And bitcoin is now testing that critical eighty thousand dollars support.

Speaker 2

Level aggressively testing it and that level has immense psychological and structural importance.

It was major resistance earlier this year, and now it's basically the final line of defense for the entire twenty twenty five narrative.

Speaker 1

So failing to hold eighty thousand dollars is the difference between a painful correction and what an outright structural bear market?

Speaker 2

Potentially, yes, But let's look at the momentum data, because you mentioned that exhaustion might be near right the RSI, we look at the Relative Strength Index the RSI, which measures the speed and change of price moves.

It hit twenty six, twenty six.

To put that in context, that is one of the deepest over sold readings we have seen all year.

Anything below thirty signals oversold condition.

Speaker 1

So the selling pressure could be reaching exhaustion.

Speaker 2

It suggests the price movement near eighty thousand, five hundred dollars might be unsustainable in the media short term.

Speaker 1

So we have two conflicting signals here.

We have extreme oversold conditions suggesting it bounce is statistically likely.

But then we have this critical structural support at eighty thousand dollars that if it breaks, signals.

Speaker 2

Disaster precisely, and that's where the dire warnings are coming from.

The most traumatic technical forecast we've seen circulating suggests that if the eighty thousand dollars support level fails decisively.

Speaker 1

And we're talking a weekly close below it, yes.

Speaker 2

A weekly close.

If that happens, the current technical structure implies sixty percent more downside as.

Speaker 1

Possible, sixty percent sixty percent more downside from eighty thousand dollars that would take us down near what thirty two thousand dollars.

That's the number that is a cataclysmic forecast.

What structural failure supports that.

Speaker 2

It's based on analyzing the sheer magnitude of the breakdown from one hundred and twenty six thousand dollars peak.

If the eighty thousand dollars level doesn't hold key long term moving averages like the two hundred week, they all come back into play.

Speaker 1

It's a complete repricing.

Speaker 2

It suggests the market would need to reprice based on a complete liquidation of the entire twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five growth story.

It's not a prediction, it's a model of maximum possible pain if the structure fails.

Speaker 1

It paints a picture of extreme anxiety.

But this is crypto, isn't it.

Even in the middle of all this chaos, you still have the massive bulls taking in absolutely contrarian stance.

Speaker 2

Oh absolutely, the billionaire class remains undeterred.

Cameron Winklevoss of Gemini.

He took to social media to offer this wildly bullish counterview.

Speaker 1

What did he say?

Speaker 2

He claimed, perhaps defiantly, that this was the last time you'll ever be able to buy bitcoin below ninety dollars.

Speaker 1

I find that fascinating.

That level of conviction is essential to the crypto culture, but it stands in such sharp contrast to the financial reality facing the biggest players, the institutions.

The question isn't just who is buying, but who is aggressively not buying right now?

And that brings us directly to the institutional flight.

Speaker 2

The absence of institutional demand is arguably the most nificant factor driving this plunge.

We know the narrative that propelled us earlier this year was the launch of the US spot Bitcoin ets.

Speaker 1

Right the flood of traditional finance capital, that thesis seems to be failing dramatically right now.

Speaker 2

City analyst Alex Sanders put a really fine point on it.

Saying that ETF flows, which he called the main driver of prices this year, are now drying up completely.

Speaker 1

It's more than just drying up, though, and it's reversing.

Speaker 2

It is reversing.

The seven day average for US spot ETF flows remains firmly negative.

This is sustained net selling from TRADFI allocators.

Speaker 1

So they're not buying the dip.

Speaker 2

They are not only reluctant to add exposure into this straw down, they are actively withdrawing capital.

The lack of that incremental institutional buying just reinforces the whole problem.

Speaker 1

Okay, let's put some numbers on this, specifically looking at black Rock, which is kind of the bell weather for the entire institutional world.

Speaker 2

Blackrock made two major transfers to coinbase Prime.

They deposited twenty eight hundred and twenty two BTC valued at about two hundred and forty three million dollars and thirty six two hundred and eighty three eighth valued at over one hundred million dollars.

Speaker 1

Which are just massive, strategic movement.

Speaker 2

Huge, And while it's not immediately confirmed as selling large transfers to custody platforms like that often precede distribution or active.

Speaker 1

Liquidation, and the redemption figures seem to support that idea absolutely.

Speaker 2

Black Rock alone has recorded two point five billion dollars in redemptions this month.

When you combine their figure with other issuers, US Spot ETFs have seen about three point five billion dollars in total withdrawals just this.

Speaker 1

Month, three and a half billion dollars in November alone.

How does that compare historically?

Speaker 2

It's significant.

It makes this the second largest monthly outflow figure since February, which was right after that initial post launch excitement wore off.

Speaker 1

So the institutional conviction that was built up all year is just evaporated.

Speaker 2

It's not just profit taking.

It feels like capitulation driven by de risking mandates.

Speaker 1

Okay, so institutional money is fleeing through the ETFs.

What about the leveraged trader in the derivatives market?

Are they trying to buy this dip or are they equally fearful?

Speaker 2

The derivatives market is screaming risk off.

We're seeing futures open interest or OI just drifting systematically lower.

Speaker 1

Which means persistent risk reduction.

Speaker 2

Traders are not attempting to catch the falling knives.

They're not adding exposure into weakness.

They're systematically unwinding risk closing positions.

Speaker 1

And we can see that reflected in the funding rates too.

Speaker 2

Right correct, funding rates across the top five hundred assets have shifted decisively into neutral to negative territory.

Speaker 1

And when those rates are negative, it means people are basically getting paid to short the.

Speaker 2

Market, or at least there's no cost to hold a short.

It confirms a broad cooling in leveraged long demand and a massive defensive shift.

There is zero conviction to buy here with leverage.

Speaker 1

Now let's talk about the options market.

This gives us insight into how the pros are hedging and it reflects an extreme bearish outlook right through the twenty five delta scue.

Speaker 2

The twenty five delta scue, yeah, it's a way to measure the difference in implied vaut latility between calls and puts, and when the skew remains negative across all maturities, it means traders are paying a much higher premium for downside protection for puts than they are for upside participation.

It's a hallmark of extreme bearissed positioning.

Speaker 1

We saw specific data on the one week tenor being particularly aggressive.

Speaker 2

The one week tenor should a premium of roughly fourteen percent for puts.

Think of it like buying fire insurance.

Right.

Traders are willing to pay significantly more for immediate downside protection because they anticipate a further collapse and soon.

Speaker 1

And this demand for downside protection creates a really dangerous mechanical feedback loop that actually amplifies the selling pressure in the spot market.

Can you walk us through that mechanism.

It's technically crucial.

Speaker 2

It's a textbook example of delta hedging, and it's basically a self fulfilling prophecy.

Okay, here's how it works.

When a sophisticated trader buys an aggressive put option, a contract giving them the right to sell at a lower price, transferring risk to the option dealer.

Speaker 1

So the dealer's now short.

They've taken on a lot of short.

Speaker 2

Exposure precisely, and to remain delta neutral, they don't want to take a massive directional bet.

The dealer has to hedge that risk.

Speaker 1

So what do they do?

Speaker 2

Since the price is falling and the putz are gaming value.

The dealer must sell an equivalent amount of futures contracts or perpetuals in the spot market to offset their risk.

Speaker 1

So the very act of hedging against the price drop causes more selling in the underlying asset.

Speaker 2

Exactly, the more the price falls, the more puts are bought, and the more futures the dealers have to sell to stay neutral.

It's a massive mechanical source of selling pressure that is entirely independent of fundamentals.

Speaker 1

It's a vicious, self reinforcing downward spiral.

Speaker 2

That's exactly what it is.

And we saw this play out precisely around that psychological ninety thousand dollars level.

Speaker 1

It data confirms it absolutely.

Speaker 2

Once Bitcoin failed to hold the ninety three thousand dollars level, demand for put premium at the ninety thousand dollars strike just shot up.

This tells you exactly where the pros had concentrated their pain point.

Speaker 1

So they used the options market to bet on ninety dollars.

Speaker 2

K failing, and their hedging action helped ensure that failure happened faster.

Speaker 1

That's a devastating insight into how professional positioning can just amplify market weakness and that volatility.

That rapid destruction of value leads us directly to our next major theme the highly visible financial pain being felt by specific high profile holdings, namely those linked to the Trump family, and.

Speaker 2

This is where the story shifts from these macro market mechanics to the individual consequences of speculative concentration.

The recent crypto route has has levied a significant financial hit, reducing the Trump families overall net worth by well over a billion dollars since early September.

Speaker 1

Over a billion dollars wiped out in just a matter of weeks.

That's a staggering rate of wealth destruction, especially when you think about the gains they'd made just before this.

Speaker 2

It is a massive reversal, and while reports vary a bit depending on how you value private assets, the consensus is clear.

Bloomberg's says the family's net worth dropped from around seven point seven billion dollars to six point seven billion dollars.

Other reports put it from seven point three billion dollars down to six point two billion dollars.

Speaker 1

Either way, the loss is undeniable.

Speaker 2

The loss of capital, liquidity and paper games is huge, and this completely reverses the narrative we saw earlier this year.

Their fortune reportedly tripled in a single year, jumping from two point one billion dollars in twenty twenty four to nearly six billion dollars.

Speaker 1

Driven almost entirely by their stake in Trump Media and Technology Group TMTG and their other crypto assets.

Speaker 2

And the source of the reversal is the same as the source of the rise concentration risk.

The family built what you could call an ecosystem where all their financial plays.

Speaker 1

The media stock that tokens, the mining right, all of.

Speaker 2

It was implicitly connected and depended on the same fundamental assumption crypto valuations must always go up, So.

Speaker 1

Instead of hedging or diversifying, they essentially just doubled down on the hypergrowth narrative across a bunch of interconnected asset classes.

Speaker 2

Exactly, they create wed a single point of failure scenario.

So when the macro environment reversed and the risk off mandate hit crypto, everything in that concentrated ecosystem reversed with it.

Speaker 1

Let's break down the impact on specific holdings, starting with the highest profile one, Trump Media and Technology Group, which trades as DJT.

Speaker 2

And its performance has been brutal.

The stock plunged to new fifty two week lows, trading around ten dollars and eighty five cents share, and.

Speaker 1

If you remember, the post merger peak was what forty three dollars and forty six cents it was.

Speaker 2

We are now talking about a decline of nearly seventy percent this year and a staggering eighty percent drop from that post merger high.

Speaker 1

The scale of that collapse is just immense.

How does that translate into personal loss for the former president's stake?

Speaker 2

The decline in DJT stock alone has wiped out about eight hundred million dollars from his stake since the September high.

Speaker 1

So that's the vast majority of the reported billion dollar loss right there.

Speaker 2

It is, and it just reflects the extreme volatility that comes when a stock's evaluation is driven by speculative fervor and media narrative rather than fundamental business performance.

Speaker 1

And the fundamentals of TMTG only make it worse.

We saw the Q three earnings.

Speaker 2

Yes, and this is the devastating part.

TMTG reported extremely low Q three sales, just nine hundred and seventy two, nine hundred dollars against a massive net loss of fifty four point eight one million dollars.

Speaker 1

So a company with less than a million in quarterly revenue was valued in the billions.

Speaker 2

It's a classic sign of market irrationality.

And then the company's decision to hold crypto on its balance sheet just compounded the risk right.

Speaker 1

Because as bigcoin collapsed, tmtg's balance sheet got hit with unrealized losses, deepening the perception of instability.

Speaker 2

Exactly now Beyond the stock the more speculative ventures linked to the family have also seen dramatic.

Speaker 1

Implosions, like the meme coins.

Speaker 2

The Trump branded meme coin trump Pee has seen a massive twenty five percent decline since August.

It's trading near its lowest value since launch.

These tokens are pure sentiment thermometers and.

Speaker 1

The World Liberty Financial Token WLFI that had an ambitious valuation at one point.

Speaker 2

WLFI saw its value plummet from around twenty six cents in September down to roughly fifteen cents.

At its peak, this project was valued around six billion dollars based almost entirely on speculation.

Speaker 1

And Eric Trump's investment in mining.

Speaker 2

Also hit hard.

His investment in the mining operation American Bitcoin Corporation has dropped by approximately fifty percent from its peak.

Public investors in that venture are down around forty five percent.

Speaker 1

Mining companies are acutely sensitive to the price of BTC, so that.

Speaker 2

Makes sense their margins just vanish when the price drops.

Speaker 1

This sharply so we've seen this multi billion dollar contraction in the family's net worth tied directly to the DJT decline and the systemic collapse across their crypto assets.

Yet Eric Trump maintains a surprisingly bullish public.

Speaker 2

Stance he has He's maintained a classic contrarian viewpoint, describing the downturn not as a crisis but as a great buying opportunity.

Speaker 1

Which underscores the deeply speculative nature of their approach.

For most people, seeing an eighty percent loss in a stock is a signal to d risk, not double down.

Speaker 2

And it's important to contextualize this financial volatility against the current political environment too.

Speaker 1

Right there's heightened scrutiny of the family's financial activities.

Speaker 2

We've seen ongoing controversy, for example, around the pardoning of a top crypto executive who previously played a key role in bolstering the family's net worth.

That link adds a layer of uncertainty, and the broader.

Speaker 1

Political landscape is fragile, with reports of low approval ratings and internal party divisions over things like the Jeffrey Epstein files.

Speaker 2

It all creates a confluence of stress factors that amplify the negative financial sentiment.

The core lesson here for every investor is just the fragility of highly concentrated wealth based on speculative assets.

Speaker 1

That concentration risk is a crucial theme.

But while institutions are dumping and this high profile speculative wealth collapses, we need to shift gears to the contrarians who are making massive strategic bets, specifically on Ethereum.

Speaker 2

This segment, it really shows the divergence between market sentiment and institutional conviction.

While fear is rampant, some major players are viewing this as a generational buying opportunity.

Speaker 1

And the biggest example is bitmin, a company linked to Funstrats Tom Lee.

Speaker 2

Bitmine is aggressively accumulating Ethereum.

They recently acquired an additional twenty one thousand, five hundred and thirty seven eth valued at roughly fifty nine million dollars.

Speaker 1

And this is happening despite the fact that Ethereum's price is struggling and bitmine itself is likely sitting on billions in unrealized paper losses.

Speaker 2

It's a classic contrarian move, and this latest purchase pushes their total holdings past three point five million eth.

Speaker 1

Three and a half million.

Speaker 2

It cements their status as one of the single largest corporate ETH holders.

To put that in perspective, they now control roughly three percent of Ethereum's entire circulating supply.

Speaker 1

So if they're facing these huge paper losses, what gives the management team, especially Thomas Lee, such confidence to keep buying into weakness.

Speaker 2

The management team is completely undert because they attribute the downturn not to fundamental weakness in crypto, but to broader external liquidity shocks.

Speaker 1

So they see this as a temporary event.

Speaker 2

Lee views this through the lens of history.

He's wildly optimistic, predicting a V shaped recovery, a sharp bounce back once the market stabilizes, and.

Speaker 1

They're backing that conviction with concrete utility plans.

Speaker 2

That's a strategic angle.

They plan to launch the Maid in America Validator Network or MEVIN in early twenty twenty six.

This isn't just about holding, it's about monetizing, so.

Speaker 1

They'll be staking their massive ETH reserve.

Speaker 2

Exactly, generating recurring yield rewards.

This strategically positions them as the premier US staking destination.

It's a move to capitalize on the shift toward institutional yield generation.

Speaker 1

But as US firms are accumulating eth another significant player is quietly making a massive comeback, and this has geopolitical implications.

Speaker 2

China's crypto mining industry.

Speaker 1

It's one of the most surprising developments given the twenty twenty one band.

Speaker 2

New data suggests that China Ya's banned crypto mining industry is expanding again, quietly, reclaiming fourteen percent of the global bitcoin.

Speaker 1

Hash rate, which places them third worldwide, behind the US in Russia.

How is this happening when the ban is still officially in place.

Speaker 2

The primary driver is economic opportunism in remote regions like Shinjung.

These areas have abundant excess power that can't be efficiently exported.

Speaker 1

So private operators are just leveraging cheap, under utilized.

Speaker 2

Energy precisely, and we're seeing market confirmation of this through hardware sales figures.

Right In and Inc, a major global producer of mining machines, reported that more than half of its Q two sales revenue was from China miners.

Don't buy hardware if they aren't confident they can operate it profitably.

Speaker 1

It certainly shows that bitcoin mining is fundamentally resilient to localized bands if the economics are compelling enough.

Now, let's pivot away from bitcoin and Ethereum's infrastructure and look at the broader alt coin market, where we see unique catalysts and chaos playing out at the same time.

Speaker 2

The old coin market is a fascinating mix right now.

While they are suffering, some assets have extremely powerful, unique catalysts that are kind of insulating them.

And we have to start with XRP.

Speaker 1

Which just had a massive institutional access moment today November twenty fourth, the dual spot etf launch for Franklin, Templeton and Greyscale on the NYC.

Speaker 2

It is the ultimate stamp of institutional approval.

Analysts are projecting a massive inplus of liquidity, with combined daily volume estimated to reach between one hundred and fifty and two hundred million dollars by November twenty six.

Speaker 1

That's a serious counterweight to the bitcoin driven fear, and the anticipation around Greyscale's GXRP is particularly high, isn't it.

Speaker 2

It is existing institutional holders in the older grayscale trust can now convert into this new, highly liquid ETF.

It's a game changer for accessibility for traditional wealth managers.

Speaker 1

And beyond the ETFs, the XRP community is looking at internal value capture.

Speaker 2

They're actively discussing STAKING proposals, which bit ycio Matt Hougan noted would significantly strengthen xrp's economic model.

Staking incentivizes long term holding.

Speaker 1

And Ripple's internal strategy seems designed to stabilize the price too.

Speaker 2

Their CTO, David Schwartz, has been vocal about diversifying revenue streams, like with their proposed ROLUSD stable coin.

If they can generate revenue elsewhere, it reduces their historical need to sell XRP to fund operations.

Speaker 1

And looking at the charts, XRP seems to be holding up much better than bitcoin.

Speaker 2

Technical analysts observed it's holding firmly above two dollars and six cents, and while the short term trend is bearish, the long term trend, the two hunder day moving average is still rising.

Speaker 1

So they see this as a consolidation phase, not a structural bear market setup for XRP.

Speaker 2

Yes now, while XRP gets that boost.

Let's look at Ethereum, which has a major internal catalyst coming up that a lot of people seem to be overlooking the Fusaka upgrade expected around December third.

Matt Hugen at bitwise believes this upgrade is absolutely critical for Ethereum's future economic model.

Speaker 1

Okay, I need to spend time on this because the potential impact downs huge.

How does Susaka actually work?

Speaker 2

Fusaka introduces a minimum base fee for Layer two data, so the data that solutions like Arbitrum and optimism post back to the main Ethereum chain, so.

Speaker 1

It guarantees a baseline revenue stream from that booming Layer two ecosystem.

Speaker 2

Precisely as L two usage continues to scale, this new fee mechanism captures a significant portion of that activity and locks it into the core network.

And since eath's base fee is.

Speaker 1

Burned, it makes ETH more deflationary far more.

Speaker 2

Hugen's estimates suggests this could increase eth's overall network revenue capture by five to ten times.

It could position ETH for a major rebound.

Speaker 1

It shifts the narrative from pure speculation to quantifiable economic value capture.

Speaker 2

Absolutely It makes the ultrasound money thesis far more compelling.

Hugan also points to uniswap's uniitoken as another example of improving token economics.

Speaker 1

What's the plan there?

Speaker 2

The community is discussing activating U, U and i's fee switch.

If approved, it would redirect about sixteen percent of trading fees toward burning you and I tokens.

This dramatic supply reduction could fundamentally change its scarcity profile.

Speaker 1

Okay.

Turning to Cardano, we saw a recent network test that, while it seemed concerning at first, actually proved its resilience.

Speaker 2

It demonstrated remarkable stability.

The network had a temporary partition from a bug, but it successfully converged back to a single healthy chain within fourteen point five hours.

Speaker 1

That rapid convergence is a massive demonstration of maturity it is.

Speaker 2

It proves the internal consensus mechanisms function under maximum stress and the ecosystem has major dates coming up, especially for derivatives trading access.

Speaker 1

Coinbased Derivatives is launching twenty four to seven trading for alt coin futures.

Speaker 2

With new perpetuals, specifically for Cardano, launching on December twelfth, that significantly expands regulated.

Speaker 1

Access Now for the great paradox of this crash.

Despite all the fear, the AI presale narrative is absolutely exploding.

It seems like the wave hitting traditional tech like in Vidia's fifty seven billion in Q three revenue, is directly fueling new crypto projects.

Speaker 2

The crypto market always finds a new growth engine, and AI is it.

Let's start with deep Snitch AI.

It's leading the pack by blending AI directly with retail training tools.

It tracks whale wallets and flags risky smart contracts.

It's raised over half a million and is seen as a potential one hundred x because it targets a core retail need safety.

Speaker 1

And what about Bitcoin Hyper.

It's trying to solve Bitcoin's biggest flaw, right speed.

Speaker 2

This is a technically significant project.

Bitcoin does seven transactions per second.

Bitcoin Hyper is solving this by using the Salana Virtual Machine or SVM.

Speaker 1

So it's bringing Solana's speed to Bitcoin's security layer.

Speaker 2

That's the key innovation, bringing fast, low cost DAPs to Bitcoin's proof of work layer.

They've already raised over twenty eight million dollars.

Speaker 1

We've also got block deag, which is transitioning from hype to focusing on infrastructure.

Speaker 2

They've raised a huge four hundred and thirty six million dollars and now we're seeing institutional deals for two point six billion tokens.

This suggests institutions see it as a serious Layer one project.

Speaker 1

And finally, best Wallet.

Speaker 2

Positioning itself as a rival to Meta Mask and trust Wallet.

They're already live and are offering aggressive high yields staking up to seventy six percent apy to attract users quickly.

Speaker 1

The AI presale boom clearly illustrates that innovation doesn't stop just because institutions are selling.

But we have to connect all this crypto chaos to the wider macroeconomic forces at play.

Speaker 2

We can't view this in a vacuum.

Deutsche Bank's recent analysis links the bitcoin decline to four main macro pressures.

Pervasive risk off sentiment, hawkish FED signals, stalled regulation, and dangerously thinning liquidity.

Speaker 1

The Federal reserve factor is arguably the most critical.

Uncertainty over whether the Fed will go ahead with a December rate cut has strengthened bets that they might halt their easing.

Speaker 2

And higher interest rates, or the expectation of them immediately weekends investor confidence in risk assets like crypto capital flows away from speculation and into safer yielding assets, and.

Speaker 1

The thin liquidity factor is crucial.

Even minor selling can have an outsized impact on price, which is exactly what we've been seeing.

Speaker 2

We saw an almost absurd example of this recently.

President Trump's decision to lift food import tariffs, a move to combat inflation, was unexpectedly linked to the crypto turmoil.

Speaker 1

How did that impact bitcoin?

Speaker 2

Bitcoin fell below ninety four thousand dollars shortly after.

The theory was that the policy signaled a potential acceleration of anti inflationary measures, reinforcing the idea that the FED would delay rate cuts.

Speaker 1

So a minor policy signal can trigger massive selling in a thin crypto market.

Speaker 2

It highlights the fragility.

And this crash is also tightly intertwined with broader tech stark anxiety.

We're seeing high profile warnings about an AI bubble contagion.

Speaker 1

Right from the very top.

Cinder Pritchei at Google Alphabet said there's irrationality in the AI boom and warned that no company is going to be immune if that bubble bursts.

Speaker 2

JP Morgan's vice chairman Daniel Pinto echoed that.

He said booming AI valuations are due for a severe reassessment, and that correction will inevitably impact the S and P five hundred and other industries, including crypto.

Speaker 1

And the danger isn't just for wealthy tech investors.

Speaker 2

Clarna's CEO highlighted a systemic risk index.

Funds are automatically allocating huge amounts of pension money into this speculative trend, So the risk of a bubble bursting impacts the retirement security of millions.

Speaker 1

And even traditional safe havens are feeling the pinch.

Gold is falling.

Speaker 2

Gold's decline is specifically tied to fading expectations of a FED rate cut.

Higher interest rates make non yielding assets like gold less appealing.

It shows how comprehensive this risk off environment is.

Speaker 1

That structural pressure is undeniable.

We've covered everything from the technical mechanisms of liquidation to the concentration of political wealth and crypto and these looming macro threats.

Speaker 2

So to synthesize the core tension here, we've seen massive concentrated losses, most visibly hitting the high light leverage, crypto sectors, and the Trump family's ecosystem.

It illustrates the extreme danger of these speculative bets.

Speaker 1

But this destruction is set against a strong counter narrative of strategic deep conviction buying in core assets like Ethereum by firms like Bitmine, and this rapid pace of innovation continuing in the AI presale sector.

Speaker 2

Right, the market structure is undeniably fragile, tested by severe macro conditions, regulatory uncertainty, and institutional capitulation.

Speaker 1

As evidenced by that multi billion dollar ETF outflow figure.

Speaker 2

So for you, the investor navigating this, the strategic advice is clear.

Avoid the temptation to just buy every dip indiscriminately.

The outlook is profoundly defensive.

Speaker 1

So investors should wait for confluence, a calming of the macro environment, and a reduction in derivative fear before scaling in.

Speaker 2

Exactly, the goal is positioning near high probability recovery areas, not trying to hit the exact bottom.

Speaker 1

We've seen that over a billion dollars in paper losses can be wiped out in weeks from these highly visible holdings.

Yet one prominent billionaire, Eric Trump, still calls this downturn a great buying opportunity.

Speaker 2

It creates a fascinating philosophical divide, doesn't it if the macro environment truly stabilizes, if the FED reverses its stance, and if rate cut bets rebound.

Which of the two primary narratives will ultimately define the end of twenty twenty five and the start of twenty twenty six.

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Will it be the aggressive V shaped recovery predicted by high conviction players like Bitmin's leadership, suggesting fundamentals will eventually overwhelm the liquidity shocks, or.

Speaker 2

Will that sixty percent more downside technical signal prove correct initiating a multi year bear market driven by a structural failure below eighty thousand dollars.

That is the billion dollar question that will drive the market moving forward.

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