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My name is Sean covid to Hope.

Wherever you are and wherever you were listed, and you were having a great week so far.

It's at weeks are more fun when they're filled with braves wins, and that's what we've been able to see.

Mendelson home runs, the offense, having fun, just an absolute offensive outburst in our nation's capital.

My name is Sean Comen is always here with my podcast partner Steven Tober, and I will put the disclover out there.

I have not one hundred percent tonight.

Please forgive the voice and for that reason, I'm gonna let my podcast partner take the raids.

One of the best when it comes to cover the braves, Steven tom Good to always do these with you, sir, Hope you bid well?

Good CD again, what's up, buddy.

For those who don't know, behind the scenes, our man Sean has been very sick the last week.

And I mean this is like a Michael Jordan flu game type situation we have going on right now.

My guy's just gutting it out.

I mean, just a pros pro you know.

It's like, I mean, this is why is the best podcast partner the year?

And this is like this is inspirational movie type stuff.

Rocky, you know, Seabiscuit and Sean Coleman.

You know, those are kind of the big three right now that I can think of.

So, yeah, it has been a fun week.

Well, it's been a fun week as long as you're not hoping the Braves lose games.

I guess there are that there is that segment of fans that we're really hoping for losses.

The Nationals bad just turned out to be substantially worse than the Braves bad.

The Nationals, God bless the Nationals.

Man.

They fired everybody early in the season because the rebuild has not been going well, and you can kind of see the evidence of that.

They not only lost to the Braves this weekend, they got demolished in a way that the Braves haven't demolished really anybody in a long time.

So, and the Braves still have three more games with the Nationals, by the way, So yeah, the chances the Braves having like one of these top two or three picks, or at least top two or three odds of having a top pick are probably gone.

You know, you win five in a row this late, it's gonna change those.

So Braves are more than likely going to be in like the five four or five six range in terms of the lottery odds.

They can still get a top pick.

Obviously it's a lottery.

But but yeah, it's been fun watching the Braves hit Herdson Waldrip had a pretty decent start after a rough one that Brad and I were in person for last Friday against the against the Astros.

So but yeah, buddy, it's good to be back on with you.

You're an inspiration to an entire country and we love you.

I appreciate the kind of words.

But of course, yeah, no, it's it's been fun to see you know again.

I know Brad Scott talked about it last night.

You don't want to take it out of context.

There is very little significance of the Braves, you know, playing well right now on the offense doing what it is, especially against Washington.

But at the very least it is relevant.

You'd much rather be playing goodball in the season, especially in the season where you haven't played good ball, than the alternative.

But it's been a month or so.

It's been the past four or five weeks where it's the news, the news nuggets that come down the pipe that carried more value a lot of times than what we're seeing on the field.

And once again, while not official as of yet, friend of the show girl vedic, he let it be know today that more than likely, John Carlos Laura, a name that you know has really gained recognition familiarity in Braves country over the past few years, a name who I felt, you know some at least myself.

You know, I'm not gonna act like I'm I'm a prospect guy by any means, but he was a name I was wanting to watch for.

He was Dinni here for winters before Dinnier for Winter has had that outstanding's pre trading.

Because of how good at times Laura looked last year and he's looked good this year, the Braves are going to call up John Carlos Laura to be a member of the bullpen basically over the final stretch of the season.

And this isn't just another column.

This isn't, in my opinion, a call up in which you know, like we saw with Hayden Harris, where Harris has just been so good at the minters he deserved the opportunity to be called up John Carlos.

Laura being called up is significant because this is someone who truly has the potential to be a staple in the Braves bullpen.

He has that type of upside you know we talk about over the past fifteen years, Craig Kimbrel a, J Mintor.

I'm not saying Laura, there's an overwhelming chance he's going to be at that level.

Definitely not a Kiber level, But there hasn't been many any prospects, relief prospects at least that have had as much noise around them as Laura has other than the two days that I mentioned it.

That's the level of arm that we're looking at with one of the best sliders in baseball, and it's finally going to be awesome to see him in the Atlanta bullpea in the Coby days.

Yep.

So obviously we're not prospect guys.

We don't pretend to be prospect guys.

We listen to people smarter than us when it comes to this stuff.

But as guys get closer and closer and get to this level where there are very likely going to be contributors, that's kind of where we start, you know, jumping in and learning about these guys.

And so we've spent the last probably, i don't know, two months learning about Laura, just as he's gotten more and more name recognition.

He was in Triple A, and obviously, once you're in Triple A, really even in Double A with this organization, you're one call away from being in the majors.

And so, you know, we've all just kind of been paying attention to Laura the last few months, and it was weird.

It's a little weird to me that they're waiting this late to call him up like we thought we might see him when rosters expanded in September, just to see what he's got.

Obviously the Braves wanted him to develop a little more in the minors, but yeah, calling a guy up with like ten games left in the season is a little weird, but you know, it's better than never.

Do you want to see what he looks like in the majors.

He's a very interesting prospect.

If you don't know, he's a six to three right handed reliever.

He's a pure relief prospect.

Twenty two years old is still very young.

I think he's rated as I think he's in the top fifteen depending on which scouting service, which prospect ranking you look at, So he's one of the Braves better prospects.

The dude throws one hundred miles an hour, though he sits like ninety eight ninety nine, one hundred.

He's got a live, live arm, but he's got a wipeout slider.

His slider is one of the best pitches in the Braves entire farm system.

He throws at like eighty nine nine emails an hour.

It's got I think it's It's been recorded multiple times this year at over three thousand RPMs.

In terms of spin rate.

It is a devastating pitch and when he has his command going, those two pitches together are lethal.

He misses a ton of bats.

The problem is, and this is not you know, this is not specific to him.

He doesn't always know where it's going.

And the command and the control is certainly his biggest thing.

He you know, he walks a number of people and has all year, and I'm sure that's what's kept him in the miners.

Like listen, if this guy was walking three per nine inning, he would have been in the majors a long time ago.

That's kind of his thing.

But if you have control problems in the miners, once you get to the majors, they usually get exasperated exacerbated, So it's probably gonna go poorly a little bit.

We're this is gonna be kind of a little bit like Diddier Fuintes, where it's probably throwing him to the wolves a little bit just to see what he looks like.

It's not as bad as Diddy or Fuintees because Fintes was literally nineteen years old when it happened to him.

He's twenty, you know, Laura's twenty two.

He's spent a substantial amount of time in Ginett.

You can justify the call up.

And the arm is so special, you know, you can see why the Braves want to see what they've got, and so I'm curious to see how much run he gets.

Again, the Braves have not confirmed this, but you know Groov doesn't miss on this stuff.

He's pretty much batt in a thousand on all.

Anytime he reports this, it happens like the next day.

So I would expect by the time you are listening to this that John Carlos Laura is either on the team or there will be an announcement very shortly that he's going to be on the team.

But that's this is an exciting one.

This this is a really top end level reliever prospect that, if he's good, could help the Braves quite a bit.

Yeah.

I mean, he's the type of arm that could be a contributor not only to the Braves next year when they're trying to win, but could even be a potentially different smaky doll.

You know, we get big bovits.

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I know, I'm putting a lot know what will be a twenty three year old next year, But that's the level that we're looking at.

And you know, it's not like, you know, a Dazebel Hernandez.

You know where his stuff's odd, which is more rare than it be.

It's more rare for Dazebel to be awed and locked in than it is for him to struggle.

He struggled quite a bit this year, Carlos Laura.

If he's locked in, that slider legitimately could instantly be one of the best breaking pitches of a really word in baseball.

Like he is that good.

I know that.

You know it's a diamond, does it?

Now?

When it comes to relievers who throw near one hundred miles an hour and can flash a highly effective slider.

John Carlos Laura can have one of the best of the best, Like that's the level that he could be at in time, not saying it's going to be instantaneous, but just saying that this could be a different smaking arm.

And we talk about the Braves being able to find internal sources of different spaking contributions to a team that in the years to come is going to look again to content.

John Carlos Laura is one of those type of contributors and it's going to be good to see what he could do again.

It's going to be the control that really matters.

But one thing that I celebrate with this particular prospect for the Braves is with how much the Braves push these arms to be starters, to be starters, to be starters, and push them in terms of, you know, elevating them through the bottle league system quickly.

With Laura, they took a different path.

They went with what he was successful with, which was pitching down the bullpit, and it really seems to have clicked with him and it could pay big dividends both next year and potentially for years to come.

Yeah, and that is a very good point.

Like this guy has been a pretty much a pure reliever prospect his entire career with the brain like they don't there's no there's no talk about being a starter.

I know at some point in Gwinnett, I think they they stretched him out a little bit.

But there's no one that we've talked to that thinks this guy is going to be a major league starter.

He just has two pitches, and you know, the big thing when you have two pitches is that you you pretty much have to be a reliever.

It's very difficult to go through an order more than one time with two pitches, and that's kind of the baseline for being a starter in the majors is three acceptable pitches somewhere.

So, yeah, he'll be a reliever.

The question is gonna be how good of a reliever?

And listen, I'm not saying it's open tryouts for the Braves bullpen next year, but there's definitely spots available in the Braves bullpen next year.

And if Laura comes out and impresses, even if it's only for a week sample, you know, he's only gonna be up for ten days.

That means he's automatic.

He's gonna be on the forty man when they make the move tomorrow.

Obviously they got to make a forty man move to get him on the forty mans.

And once you're on the forty man, you get an invite to spring training.

You're a part of the mix now, Like getting on the forty man is a huge part of a prospects life cycle.

And so if he does indeed get called up tomorrow, that means he's now on the forty man, So you know he'll be in spring training next year.

He is in the mix to be a contributor for the bullpen next year if that does indeed happen.

So it's a big deal, And that's kind of why some of us wanted to see it earlier, just to kind of get him in the rotation of possibilities for the bullpen next year, because somebody with this type of arm needs to be at least looked at that we need to see at least what he's got what he doesn't have.

Maybe it's abundantly clear this guy belongs in the miners.

Still, he's only twenty two years old.

It's not that big a deal.

If he needs to go back to the miners, and if that's where he needs to start next year, that's fine.

But let's see it.

Let's see what he is, what he's got, what he looks like, how far away he is.

It's all good, I think.

I hope the Braids had done this a couple of weeks ago, so we got a larger sample.

But better late than never.

I'm excited to see the kid.

And the thing is also about the Braids Boolpit with aired Bubber, Pierce Johnson and Joe him it is between those three.

I've already got twenty five million combined in commitments to your bullpen next year.

Now those are three five arms for the six the eighth, but you don't have a proven closer.

You still have questions about your back end.

That's a lot to be committed to next year's wullpion with.

There's still be this many questions outstanding about it.

So you need to find some answers, and you need to find some answers from cheap sources, which means internally, and that is hopefully John Carlos Laura work it out.

It's gonna be awesome to see I again, know that you know what, we get to see it a few times.

But when you see that slider, when you see that fastball slider commodation at work, it's going to turn your head and it's going to be good to see and hopefully we'll get to see it be successful in many big situations as we go through the next several years in Atlanta.

But speaking of moves, speaking of roster editions, that was not the only roster addition today.

And when you look at the grand scheme of things over the past six weeks, the Braves have been highly active and now have a pretty crowded roster.

Me and Steven will break that down a bit more here in just a moment, after a word from our partners.

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So Steven, you not the only move was made today.

Er, excuse me.

Let me back this up real quick.

It's actually a move that was not made today because again it's not been made official as of yet.

But the significance of that is because since that move has not been made official, it is going to be official more than likely tomorrow.

An official move that the Braves did make today is they claimed former San Francisco Giant infield prospect Brett Wisely.

He is now on the braves forty bed roster.

To make move to make room for him, the Braves added Aaron Bubber to the sixty man, I l And if you've ever really dived into and I know several Braves Country like to do this, and always it always makes me smile with how intelligent many members of Braves Country are because they know what they're talking about from looking and doing their own research, because they just love baseball so much.

What I'm getting at is, though, is that there are many moving parts when it comes to this Brase forty bed roster number one in terms of the people who were currently on it, but perhaps even more significant is the people who are not currently on it, who are on that sixty day I l and are going to clearly be back of the forty bad roster.

What's the seasons?

We'll get that into that in just a moment.

Do you see any significance?

Did did the addition of Brett wisely turn your head?

It seems to be a bit redundant with other members that we have on the forty band roster, but for somewhat top prospect with the Giants.

Yeah, So the Braves love themselves a light hitting utility infielder.

I mean this is right out of the like NICKI Lopez, Nick Allen, Videl Bruhan Luke Williams mold of can play shortstop, can play second, can play third.

He's left handed.

He throws right handed, but he hits left handed.

He's still only he's still relatively young.

He's only twenty six.

He was a top he wasn't at like a top, top tier prospect with the Giants.

I think he topped out it, like I think he come in.

Came in when you're like sixteenth on their top thirty, so like a reasonable prospect, like somebody who was gonna be in the majors.

He can't hit.

He's got a career sixty four WRC plus.

He's got very little power.

He doesn't have much speed.

His main value is he can play shortstop, second base, third base.

He could probably play first base in a pinch.

Honestly, he could probably play a little outfield if you if you gave him a chance to, Like, he is a utility guy, and he is taking up a forty man spot now.

And this is why this is significant.

If this was just a minor league guy, we would never talk about him.

But once you get to the point, and we were just talking about this with Laura, once you get to the point where you're on the forty man.

You're taking up a forty man rush spot.

What you do and how well you do it is now a significant part of the equation because there's only there's only forty of those spots available.

And you know, the Braves already have Nick Allen, They've got Videl Brahan, They've got you know, obviously they got Hasung Kim.

Now we don't know what's gonna happen with Hasung Kim because obviously he's got this player option lingering out there.

But now they have this army of like backup utility type infielders.

I can't imagine all of them are gonna stay around.

That's too what's way too many, uh, you know, offensively challenged middle endfielders to have on your forty man.

Somebody's getting bumped at some point.

Obviously a lot of that will happen in the offseason.

But he's just a guy kind of There's not a lot of excitement here.

There's not much to get worked up about.

Hassan Kim is obviously the main priority at shortstop right now is everybody hopes he's back.

But if he's not back, the Braves have this small little army of guys who can't hit, who can who can play middle endfield positions.

Yeah, and it's good to see.

It's probably tryouts.

That's probably what it is.

I mean, you know, I think at the end of the day, Nick Allould probably you know, makes sense to keep because of all those guys that even Rodacho Alvarez in there, though, I think they have about rely option left these latter hitting utility infielders.

Of those guys, when you look at that group of you know, not good enough to be an MBLEB starter, but you know, could offer value off of bitch type talents, which of those guys has the most added value of what skill?

And that's Nick Allen's defense.

So at the end of the day, it's probably just the brains getting a glip of what these guys could offer next year.

But to your point, more than likely multiple of these guys are gonna be bumped in time.

Because I'll say this, because you just met a good point.

Brat Wisely has a has a minor league option next year.

Yep, Vital Bruhan, Luke Williams, and Nick Allen all are out of options.

That might be part of the calculus here is that Wisely actually has a minor league option, Nacholl Alvrez has a minor league option.

The other three guys do not have minor league options for next year.

Yeah, so that makes sense, you know, depindion of what the Braves are looking to do it again.

We know that the Braves have been active.

You know, they've done this before when it comes to off seasons.

They're just doing it early now because there are chances of this being I mean, equal season happened early.

They made it to where they've added people early in the off season and wound up asidating them for assignment as time went on.

So you see this, It's just happened a bit earlier this time around.

But it does need to be mentioned the amount of names that now are building up on that sixty man il and who's going to be added back.

I mean we're talking about Aaron Bummer, We're talking about Ajsmis Shotter, We're talking about Jake Frailey now Spitcher swelling back, right, Donald Lopez, Austin Riley, I know of for Guinea names.

But the point that I'm getting at is that are those are names that you're obviously hoping are going to be back healthy better than ever, when they come back in time, you know, in the in the next month or so, so a lot of these names that were you may look at the forty band roster for the brainsdown and be like, why is this guy on the forty band roster?

Well, it's simply to fill it out for right now with these other guys who are going to who are already being paid for next year come back.

Those type of names that you question me on the forty bid roster, they'll be off by the end.

But it's no small factor into the off season that the brains are going to have to have many changes to this forty bid roster initially, not to mention how they're going to create space with that forty bid roster four editions as we go through the off season.

Yeah, it's a mechanism some fans may not know about.

But the sixty day il goes away once the season ends.

I think I think it goes away.

Can't remember it goes away in October November, but I think it's after the World Series.

But the sixty diel goes away, and the sixty il is the is the place that teams put players when obviously they're going to be out for a long time, but they want to clear a forty man roster spot so they can add somebody who's healthy back.

Well, obviously, the the you know what happens is at the end of the year, the sixty day il goes away, so all of those guys who got taken off of the four forty man roster have to be put back on by the time we get to the off season.

So I'm just gonna go through the names so everybody knows because it's it's actually incredible the number of guys the Braves have on the sixty day al.

So it's Jake Frayley, it's Austin Riley, Sean Murphy, it's a j Smith Shawber, It's Spencer Swollenbach, Ronaldo Lopez, Joejamenez, Grant Holmes, and Aaron Bummer.

And in order to get Laura on the forty man tomorrow, I would not be surprised if they put another guy on the sixtyd al tomorrow.

So that's a bunch of guys, like ten guys that are on the sixtyda AL that are gonna be added back to the forty man roster when the season ends.

So and obviously the Braids will have guys just naturally come off the forty when the season's over.

Marcel A Zuna will come off the forties.

No longer on the roster, he's a free agent.

Rossillo Gleasiers will come off the forty he's a free agent.

Sandy Leone, who got added when Sew Murphy got hurt, will come off the roster because he's a free agent.

And then there'll be the offseason moves where like guys get non tender.

Jake Freiley might get non tendered.

Eli White might get non tendered.

Jared Kelnick, these are guys the Braves have under team control, but they might choose to let them go into free agency because they just want better things for that roster spot.

Jared Kelnick, I think is a pretty pretty clear, you know, probably gonna be non tendered at some point this offseason.

So yeah, we're not gonna do a full forty man dive tonight.

We've got the off season for that and we'll have plenty of time to do that.

But we did just want to point out the number of players the Brave have on the sixtyd al.

It's gotten pretty much the double digits at this point, all of them have to be added back at the beginning of the offseason, and then you have to actually if you want to make any sort of moves, then you have to clear a space there to make moves to add guys to the forties.

So it does get tight in the offseason with a nose sixty di al, you do have to put everyone back on.

And so we're gonna see some moves early where the Braves are making roster moves.

The Braves are clear and non tendering guys, cutting guys, releasing guys because they need the forty men spots because all of those guys have to be put back on when the season's over.

And it is not a far fetched statement to make or prediction to make.

I feel that those group of names that you just mentioned, that group itself could be a source of twenty to twenty five wins above replacement next year for this Braves team.

Like you hope that that could be the case.

The Braves need for it to be the case, if not more than that.

But that's another concerned going into the off season that you have so many of those significant names currently on the forty or currently not on the forty mid roster.

They're on the sixty deil who are going to go into the off season, you hope, getting healthier than when they got injured, obviously, but who likely are not going to have just a fully healthy offseason.

Sub will more than others.

But that is a big thing, and it feels like that it's rit swashed repeat once again for like a third or four straight off season.

One of the biggest contributing factors to the Braves getting back to where they would get he is returning to hell for their for many of their internal options like Austin Bridley and others, So that that is no small development is monitoried, not only those names coming back over the roster, but them getting healthy in state healthy.

Yeah.

I mean listen, Austin Riley and Sean Murphy alone have both been five, four or five win players in their career.

I mean that could be you know, that's eight ten war sitting on the sixty al right there.

Then you had Spencer Swallenbach, you had Ronaldo Lopez.

I mean, these are guys who were substantial contributors.

You know, Grant Holmes, Chris Sale was on the sixty dayl It just came off and Obviously, Spencer Strider spent the last year on the sixty day because he was recovering from elbow surgeries.

So yeah, the brains, the brains have had massive, massive pieces of their what they need to be contributors, guys who they depend on we're just not playing and it isn't an It's actually an unbelievable amount of guys on the sixty al this season.

At some point, probably in October, when there's no more Braves, I'll go through and actually count how many players the Braves put on the sixty al at some point this season, because it is absurd.

And that's what made me think of it tonight to talk about was obviously they put Jake Freeley on.

Now they did that to clear a roster spot.

It's so close to the end of the season.

He's probably not that hurt, but they did it to they needed the roster spot.

But it made me think all of these guys have to get back on the forty man when the off season starts, So the Braids are going to have some maneuvering to do, to say the least, even before we get into what they do for the off season, just to get to the offseason, the Braids are gonna have some moves to make to clear up some forty man spots for all their injured guys being put back on.

So just something to watch for as we move to the end of the season.

Speaking of the end of the season, it is a poddust, but I believe died more games for the Braves.

Let me yeah, Night Moore games left for the Braves, and I believe that.

You know, the Braves will be officially eliminated from the playoffs, either they already have or they will be at some point this week, But that doesn't mean there's still is a few things to watch out for, including tomorrow night with the Braves hitting Detroit for the series opener against the Tigers.

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So Steven, the Braves will be going to Detroit.

It would likely it, just to be honest, what's more than like which I would almost gear at tee going to be the last meaningful games of the season before the Braves they're played a team to the Tigers, who are still looking for playoff positioning.

The Braves themselves are gonna be facing Charlie Bourton tomorrow night.

You're going to see some opportunity for the Braves regulars to play.

But while over this weekend you may see that one day that you're going to start seeing is probably a bit more of the WJA the other days such as that getting starts, Kenny Moore, idids and things like that, Things are gonna wind down and wind out quickly as we would really want to, you know, see, you know these you know more than you think these regulars end on a healthy, good note.

Now that also is gonna be in the light up every day.

But with that being said, it's gonna be fun to see Charlie board once again.

But what really stands out to Steven Talbert?

What are the what are two things that if this occurs, the season's gonna end on an even better note than right now?

I anticipate What are two things that stand out to you over the next week plus.

Yeah, so obviously the Brothers are playing the Tigers this weekend, last road game, last road series of the year, and Charlie Moodon obviously got traded to the Tigers.

He's not been good with the Troy He's got like a six cra since being traded over.

So a lot of our podcast has kind of latched onto the Tigers to kind of be their team in the postseason.

I will probably join them in that.

I kind of do want the Tigers to make a run.

But yeah, Morton has not been good and the Braves will face him Friday.

It is gonna be issue.

So the Braves are nine games back in the Wild Card.

There's nine games left, so obviously, the next time the Braves lose or the Mets win, they will officially be eliminated from the postseason.

I know people thought obviously the Braves were actually, you know, for all intentsive purposes eliminated a long time ago.

But they will mathematically be eliminated the next time the Mets win or the Braves lose.

So yeah, we're We've been in storyline mode for a long time.

What I'm looking for for the rest of the year is I want to see every Spencer Strider start he's gonna pitch in this series.

I want to see what he looks like, what adjustments he continues to make every Hurston Waldrup start is interesting to me.

I watched them all.

You know, Chris Sale, every time I watch him, I just think, damn, I wish he hadn't got hurt because I think that guy would have won SAT Young again.

He's been that good, better era this year than he had last year when he won the award.

So and obviously you just want health.

I just want a Kunya Olsen, you know, Akunyan Olsen.

Both getting here in the last you know, part of the September, last part of the last couple of weeks is awesome to see those guys can now go into an offseason just you know, fully regular, you know, healthy, and can get set up for a strong twenty twenty six.

But yeah, I just mainly health.

Seeing the guys who are still pitching.

I want to see what Joey Wentz looks like, we Waltrip looks like.

But I'll tell you what I'm most interested in.

And and Brad and I talked about this a couple of days ago, and Scott and Brad actually talked about this last night as well.

If the Braves are gonna do any sort of sending off of Brian Snitker of the last week and they're home the last week.

That announcement needs to come, like in the next day or two that he's retiring, and then you can do a whole week of fans come to the park to see Brian Snicker's last games.

You can do a whole Brian Snicker appreciation week.

You know, all the stuff that you would kind of expect for somebody who's been in the organization for like fifty years, you would expect some sort of send off.

It is going to piss some fans off if we get to the off season and they just move on from Snitcher and no one ever got a chance to like appreciate him, say bye to him.

Like he's gonna piss some fans off.

I'm not gonna be personally pissed off, but I understand people that would be, like, the dude's been in the organization for fifty years, you know, we should have done something for him during the season where you know, fans could just you know, show their appreciation.

I hope if they are gonna move on from him, I hope, I really hope they do it the right way.

Send out that announcement in the next day, or two and let the fans show their gratitude over the last week of the season.

We have not heard anything to that effect, and maybe Brian Snicker isn't retiring at all, But if he is, or if the Braves are not bringing him back, I really hope they go about it the right way.

Don't just do it in the offseason and the guy doesn't get any fanfare like announce it now so the guy can get like a week long like send off.

I think that's the right way to handle it.

But I say that to say, if they're going to do that, that has to be happening.

That has to happen like the next two or three days, because once they get back home, you know, that's it.

That's the last those the last six games of the year.

So it's something to watch for the next couple of days.

Yeah.

Absolutely, And I think that it's the right thing to do.

And you know, but it may be the right thing to do, But I also think that there's legitimate truth to the fact that Sticker may just not have made his vind up yet.

If he has it, you can't force that.

I'm with you one hundred and fifty percent.

But if he has it, you can't force that now on that Sabien.

If he hasn't made his bind up, it should not automatically be given that if he wants to come back, he does come back with the Braves.

And that's what I'm saying, is that, like, if the Braves aren't going to bring him back regardless, and Alex knows that right now.

Alex is sitting in his office right now, and he knows even if Brian's nicker wants to come back, he knows whether or not he wants him to come back.

And that's what I'm saying.

If he doesn't want him to come back, if he is one hundred percent in his mind, he knows the brains are going to have a new manager next year, do the right thing by snit and get that word out so that we can do a full week of like, thank you for being in this organization for half a century, winning a World series, you know, second most wins and franchise like the guy deserves to send off.

And I hope if they already know, I hope they do it the right way.

And I hope they do know because it is the timee bride sticker.

You know, whether it be a retirement or what have you.

It is the time to make a change, but you know, I don't want to.

There's spoilers there.

You know, we'll have that to talk about plenty the off season.

But that type is cub But that's a conversation for another time out there with you.

I really want to see how the top of the order continues to work out, because I think as of right now, there's a very good chips the top three of your order, it's subcombination are going to be profar Olsen as well as that's all back by Bodwin and Riley.

Whatever potential audition you could see there, Hassan Kim being able to end the season on a good note I think would be really good to see as well.

So Plinty to watch out for now what in the show on a bit of a maybe surprising note or a bit of a you know, random note, if you will, But I think that it certainly is worth it.

There was another announcement today we were talking about, you know, Brian Sticker, you know, over the end of the year with with his potential retirement announcement or a send off for him long time Los Angeles Dodgers, A Clayton Kershaw announced his retirement earlier today.

And I know that this is a Braves podcast, but this is also Clayton Kershaw, who legitimately is one of the best pitchers and ambasadors for the game that I can remember in at least in my lifetime and probably in the history of the game.

Steven thirteen games against the Braves in his current least regular season, two point four ninety two strikeouts away from one hundred, but I believe he was six of would against Atlanta.

But the thing that I'm getting at is is that, you know, for Braves fans who are able to witness for the better part of a decade Smokes Glavet at Maddocks, we're talking about Kershaw arguably probably definitely had a better career than any of them, at least at his peak.

What a tremendous career.

It just hats off to a give one of the perhaps maybe the best picture I've seen it by lifetime.

Kershaw was very good.

Uh, he was the best picture probably of his generation.

Schuerger and Verlander probably have something to say about that.

And I'm probably forgetting somebody.

He's gonna be a first ballot Hall of Famer.

I don't know that I would say he was ever better than Maddox.

I think I think Maddox gets slept on.

I think Maddox is like one of the top ten baseball players ever, not just pictures like go look at like Greg Maddox's fangrafts or Baseball Reference pace.

It's one of the craziest things.

You know.

I actually spend like hours on that pitch time just marveling at the nonsense, the craziness that is Greg Maddox's career.

But yeah, Kershaw is a first ballot Hall of Famer.

You know, he's got some like counting numbers like wins and stuff that we're not gonna see again for a long time, like when this generation in, Like you know, Kershaw suresier sale.

When these guys retire, you know we're gonna go along, like Kershaw has over two hundred wins and listen, picture wins is whatever.

I don't care about it, but a lot of people do.

You're not gonna see a picture with two hundred wins again for a long time, like once this generation of guys retires, because in the new age of baseball, nobody cares about Pitcher wins, so they don't, they don't go for them, they don't accumulate the way they used to.

So yeah, first ballot Hall of Famer retiring today today.

Did he pitch, Well, I don't.

I don't even know the last time he pitched, but he's got a career ara a in like the mid twos.

I mean, it's just absurd how good this guy was for so long.

Again, was probably at one point was very clearly the best picture on the planet.

And so yeah, hats off to Clayton Kershaw.

Job all done, one entire career with one team.

You don't see that much anymore.

No, obviously, brace fans know with Shipper Jones, how that's kind of a special thing, Derek Jeter the Yankees, and now Kershaw with the Dodgers.

An entire career with one team, so even not alone, it's just something to kind of applaud and yeah, enjoy retirement, Clayton Kershaw.

And I agree with you.

You know, I probably misspoke there in terms of I think that you could make a case easily that Greg Bennix had the better career.

Yout their peaks probably aren't comparable.

Yeah, his peak, Kershaw's peak is as good as anybody's peaking in baseball history.

Yeah, and that's the point that I'm getting at the fact that you're sitting here comparative to the likes of a great benex It's just the kid.

I know that the Dodgers have been arrival in a brace country.

Don't like the Dodgers, but maed just Clayton.

Clayton Kershaw had one of the rare characteristics and I think one of the biggest copy of it you could give to a pitcher would he pitched during his prime?

That was one of the most most see games during the week that you had to be able to see.

And with Vin Scully was old the bike colleague his games, that made it even better.

So hats off to a great career for Clayton Kershaw, obviously a well deserved you know what, the greatest ever to take the veiled in a clear first ballot Hall of Favor.

Steven, do you have anything else as we wrap up this edition of the Heber Territory Podcast.

No, you know, we were looking through some of our numbers for September and the downloads that we get on these episodes are just insane, especially when the Braves suck like.

You guys have just been awesome to us.

And I know I've said it a bunch lately, but I am very we are very grateful, Like it is really it is really cool for us to see that you guys still very much enjoy the show, that you're still responding to the show, interacting with the show, still got a ton of comments on YouTube and stuff.

So just a big hats off to you.

You know, nobody know, this is not the season any anybody, any any of us, any of you guys wanted, but you know, it happens.

This is part of sports, This is part of being a fan.

So some years just don't go your way and that makes the years where it does go your way that much more special, right, you know, twenty twenty one's are special because twenty twenty fives are possible and that's you know, that's that's how sports go sometimes.

So but we appreciate the support.

It's been really really strong, and we appreciate you guys quite a bit.

And I can tell you this with the season, you know, it ended a while ago, but when the off season starts, that's gonna that's gonna get us rejuvenated.

Gauzette that can break down and in just every eight I can't wait.

I can't wait to get to the off season and start.

How can this phrase team get back to where we can talk about wins instead of getting excited potentially about what could happen, but what's going on all the field?

How ready to get back being excited about what happens all the field?

And it may be months away, but it's what you do in those months leading up to would your backplay beating games that's going to make them beatingful for as long as you hope that they will be.

You can find myself at stats Sac on Twitter, slash x, Steven Tobert at the Underscore Outliers Hamit Territory across all forms of social media, part of the foul Territory family of podcasts.

Thanks for bearing with me today.

I'm gonna go get some medicine hopefully feel better.

Thank you as always to Steven Tolber to give the best podcast partner in the game, and also to Brian Rowland as well as Scott Colvid.

We'll be back with you later this week.

Until next time, go braves, We'll talk to you.

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