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If you like true crime stories, if you love being in the great outdoors, you have come to the right place.

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Hey everyone, welcome to a Ranger Tales edition of Crime Off the Grid.

I'm Tara and I'm Nancy.

I know it's kind of in a few weeks, Nancy, hadn't it since we've done a Ranger Tale, it has.

Been a while.

Yeah.

Its people say they kind of like them.

I don't know why.

Maybe they don't like listen to us as much, Nancy.

But that's okay.

Every week, that's right, all right.

Well, we're excited to have former arranger Chris Cesna with us to share his Ranger Tale.

And before we get into his Ranger Tale, Chris, would you mind just like sharing a little bit about your experience where you worked, or just sure a little bit about yourself.

Sure, you bet, and thanks for having me.

He goes got a great show, So thank you.

Did I ever tell you what the favorite part of my show is?

No, it's when Nancy says and I'm Nancy.

Everybody says that.

I'm not the only one.

No, I love it.

It's just and if she's ever not with us, I will have to say that in her absence.

Oh, yes, thank you, that's awesome.

Thanks, No, it's so cool.

I always it makes me laugh when I'm living.

Yeah, my name's Chris sas Night.

I was only with the National Park Service for six or seven years as a permanent.

I started out at City of Rocks in Idaho, which was a climbing park, and I was the first permanent ranger there.

Then I went to Independence Hall with what we call Indy right in Philadelphia to get status.

And from there I went to Manassas National Battle Old for about six months, and then I went to the Arch in Saint Louis and that was a pretty heavy law enforcement park, much more than Independence Hall.

Was there for a year.

I'd been a peace officer in uh North Carolina, so but they still had to send me to Fletsy.

So I went to Fletchy out of the Arch and got my Level one commission, and then from the Arch I got promotion to Glen Canyon, which is I guess the subject of the story today.

So yeah, yeah, did four or five years at Glen Canyon something like that.

Were you a boat ranger there was here, I guess everybody about.

Ranger yeah, pretty ut.

Yeah, you bet.

You get trained by the you know, through the Coastguard courses and and and you get some formal training, which is good, but yeah, everybody's got to master the boat so well.

But it sounds like at some point, Chris, did you decide you were tired of catching bad guys?

So you've decided maybe you would go to law school and do something a little different.

Yeah, I wanted to keep putting bad guys away.

I went to law school to be a prosecutor, and that's because of what I did with the Park Service.

I was working with the assistant US attorneys on a pretty regular basis on some of the bigger cases, and I just remember one of them, I think I asked him and he said, oh, yeah, you can go to law school.

Anybody can get through law school if you work hard enough.

And I thought, okay, good, because I'm not real bright.

That's all it takes, you know, it's just hard work.

And then I got a DA position in the metro Denver area and I prosecuted for about four years and then opened my own practice.

So I've been had my own practice now for the last twenty three years.

So yeah, I'm pretty much semi tired.

Now, that's awesome.

Yeah, and so we you know, because of your experience in the law field, I think we might have to keep you on speed dial, Nancy, what do you think?

We always have these questions.

We get to a point where the trial when we're telling our story and we're like, why did they do that?

What's right?

You guys noticed that you guys have a pretty good handle on the legal system.

You know that.

I mean, you know you were you were law enforcements, right, yeah, right, difference a lot of the law, even experienced law enforcement offsters, don't know what's happening up at the prosecution level.

And I've always been a maze you guys got a pretty good handle on it.

So well, I think we probably both had a lot of cases that got turned around and so then we had to learn why.

So that's right, all right.

Well, we're so happy it worked out for you to join us.

And before you actually get started with your actual what people want to hear, we do like to provide a description of the park in the forest area where the story's from.

And as you said today, we're talking about Glenn Canyon National Recreation Area.

So Glen Canyon National Recreation Area is a National recreation area and conservation unit for the National Park Service that encompasses the area around Lake Poll and Lower Cataract Canyon in Utah and Arizona.

It covers one million, two hundred and fifty four thousand, four hundred and twenty nine acres, roughly mostly rugged high desert terrain.

The park spans the scenic desert landscapes from the bottom of Canyonlands National Park to the tip of Grand Canyon National Park.

The park also contains Glen Canyon Dam, which is completed in nineteen sixty three.

I always say that was a good year, and that created Lake Powell and changed the surround environment dramatically.

Visitors can kayak the Colorado River, which flows through the canyon, hike or mountain bike along the Orange Cliffs or Bird Trail, and take scenic drives along the back roads.

Glen Canyon National Recreation Area was established to provide for public use and enjoyment, and to preserve the area's scientific, historic and scenic features.

The stated purpose of Glen Canyon is for recreation as well as preservation.

Whereas you know, a National park designation may carry more emphasis on natural preservation.

As such, the area has been developed for access to Lake Powell via five marinas, four public campgrounds, two small airports, and numerous houspoat rental concessions.

Do they land airplanes on their Chris, Oh yeah, oh okay, I was wondering, what the airport's so close?

Now?

Yeah?

Yeah, Well, Glen Canyon and holds like immense geological and cultural significance, boasting some of the best preserved Mesozoic rock sections in the National Park Service is so cool.

More than three thousand archaeological sites with artifacts up to ten thousand years old, and four National Register listed historic properties.

The park's geologic formations preserve a record of Earth's history spanning three hundred million years, including mountains, ancient deserts, the age of dinosaurs, and the formation of the super continent Pangaea.

I did not remember that word Pangaea, but I did know the concept, okay, so I had to go back and look it up.

That's from like three hundred to two hundred million years ago.

You know, there were the continent that we call North America was really contiguous with Africa.

Were part of that, and then South America Europe, and then we broke apart.

So anyway, that's the Pangaea fun fact new word for me today and maybe not for anybody else.

I don't know.

Anyway, And we're almost done here, so we can listen to Chris.

But Glenn Canyon features diverse geological features such as cliffs, mesas, buttes, arches, natural bridges, and unique slot canyons.

It's been home to people for thousands of years.

Archaic and prehistoric Indian cultures roamed and lived in the canyons.

Later a vast panorama of explorers, miners, ranchers, historic Indian tribes, and others, and they all left their mark at Glenn Canyon as well.

In more recent times, a few hardy homesteaders, river runners, and uranium miners lived, worked, or played among the canyons until they were filled by the waters of Lake pal So.

I mean, I know the water has been shrinking, you know, losing a lot of water in the last few years, so it might be interesting to see what is uncovered, you know, maybe like Lake Mead somebodies.

I have a feeling.

Yeah, I don't think.

I don't think it's as bad as Lake Mead, but you never know.

Right, Yeah, same, So Chris, we're ready to hear your ranger Telle.

So share away.

Okay, So we were going to talk about this one medical that kind of turned into a major law enforcement incident, and I was I remember that day.

I think it was in November.

I just remember it was cold and cloudy.

It was after the you know, the main busy season had kind of died down, which is usually after Halloween there, and I remember being bored and we got a call.

That was your first mistake?

You said it, You said the bee word.

Pandora's box opened, right, that's right.

And now I remember thinking that because I was kind of hated when it was so slow.

But yeah, we got a call over the radio and Walwie sub District and it was and I don't remember exactly what it was, but I remember thinking, this isn't going to amount too much.

You know, this is kind of a hohme call.

But we had to get on the patrol boat and get up lake.

And I don't remember if it came in as a medical.

All I remember is it was once we got there and realized what was going on, it wasn't anything like the original call that I remember.

Hey, so how far like how long did it take you from the time you responded till you arrived on seeing like so people get a picture of how big.

This area is.

It's a big lake.

I mean, it's over two hundred miles long, and it has nine hundred side canyons, which give it more coastline than the entire western United States.

It's I think it's bigger.

It's easily bigger than the state of Rhode Island.

It's a big area.

And we didn't have to go all the way up to Dangling Rope, which was kind of our lower district.

And I don't remember the exact canyon it was in.

I mean it was it was a while ago, right, so, but I remember when we got there, we found the houseboat that we were told to look for, and there were probably twelve or fourteen people on that boat.

This was a big boat and it had like a big I guess you'd call it a patio area in the stern of the boat.

Yeah, where you could easily do a small party, you know, with a lot of people.

And we boarded the boat.

We brought our we knew it was a medical of some sort.

We brought our medical bags, but we weren't ready for what we were getting ready to see, and it was a gal that was clearly in hypolemic shock.

She had lost so much blood there.

I've never seen that much blood.

It was all It covered the entire deck of that boat.

He was white as a ghost.

She wasn't She had a pulse, but she wasn't responsive.

So I was with my supervisor.

His name was Jack, and he was a paramedic.

I was an EMT, so he had a lot more experience than I did, both in training and actual experience.

And we did a did vitals, did a primary survey, and I just remember all of her friends were just kind of in a semi circle surrounding us, and so we had like fourteen which wasn't unusual and probably you guys experience that with family members just everybody watching you, you know, try to help somebody they love.

So Jack did a pretty quick assessment what had happened to this girl.

They had told us that she had fallen from a four hundred foot cliff into the world, and you know, we used to tell people that anything over sixty feet can kill your so something sounded weird.

I mean, we knew she was alive, but probably not for long, and it just didn't make sense.

We kind of knew something was going on, you know, we called for life what was the Life Flight Helicopter, Classic helicopter service, We used them all the time, and we knew we were going to have to evac her via helicopter, so we called for them and they were on their way, and I just remember Jack saying, get as much guze ass many four by fours as you can, and we had to stuff her cervical cavity.

She was just literally split from her belly button all the way back up to her backside.

I mean you could you could see, you know, if you wanted to, you could have.

I don't I don't remember any internal organs being exposed.

All I remember is we duffed as much gauze up inside of her as we could, gave her oxygen, gave her ivy.

Jack gave her an ivy.

I couldn't even tell you what it was.

And then the funny thing I also don't remember is how we got her on that helicopter.

We were used to that at Glenn Canyon.

I mean, these helicopter pilots would they'd land a copter with one skin on a rock.

Wow, you know, we did.

That wasn't uncommon, but I don't know if they had floats and they landed on the water.

But anyway, but classic helicopter told us that they were going to take her to Page Hospital first, which was just a thirty second flight for those guys, just to get blood.

And so, unbeknownst to anybody on that boat, Jack and I had obtained information that'll kind of become important later.

So basically, we packaged her up, put her on a back, you know, did as much as we could, and got her on the helicopter and they took her.

And of course, you know, Jack and I felt like she won't make it.

We just didn't understand how anybody could ever make survive that sure.

Yeah, so we got back to the government boat docks and resumed our day and I think the next I think the next thing we heard through dispatch is that she was in surgery and Phoenix and that's where we heard about her bikini bottom being found up inside of her you know.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah, but again we didn't think she'd survive, right, Yeah, So you know, as it is, I mean, you guys have probably experienced this.

I think I've even heard you say it on your own podcast.

You have to go about your day and your duties, and you have other emergency calls to go to, right right, And that's what we did.

And frankly, for about a year, I don't know that I ever heard anything about her.

We assumed she had passed away.

And then about a year later I got a call from dispatch and the dispatcher said, hey, next time you're in you know, or come on down when you can.

You know, I got a message for you.

At that time, Jack wasn't there anymore.

He had he had moved on from the Park Service.

And to be honest, Jackson one that saved your life.

I was just, you know, I was just the assistant, right And but when I went to dispatch a year later, they told me that this gal was not only alive, but she was in Arizona and wanted to see us.

And because Jack wasn't around, kind of fell on me and she wanted to thank us, and and so I met her in flag Staff and and met some of her family and we had dinner, and of course it was a pretty cool reunion.

She couldn't walk, I mean, I mean she could, but it was a terrible limp, you know, I mean she had just gotten busted up really bad, and uh, you know, we just we had a nice evening and talked and she gave me, h some pictures of her and uh and that was the last.

Then the only other thing I heard, I think she told me that she was being interviewed for Women's World article in Women's World magazine.

You know, the one that's always at the checkout counter.

Yeah.

I don't know they are anymore.

I think they're still around, but hard for them.

Yeah, but yeah, and then, uh, what had happened.

And with some of that information that Jack and I were able to obtain, is we realized that this was a base jumping thing.

Oh wow, and base jumping is illegal in the national parks.

And we met with our investigators and they started going back through a lot of medicals and it was amazing how many medicals.

You know, I wasn't there doing the foot but I remember, you know, we stayed in close touch with our investigators about this, and they were able to uncover a number of base jumping incidents that had resulted in fatalities that were covered up, and fatalities that ended in major injuries to the base jumpers.

Everything had been covered up, and it was this this medical that we're talking about that kind of uncovered a lot of this that had been going on.

And what that means is and what happened here is the people on that boat got rid of evidence, base jumping gear and everything before they called us in.

Oh that's not cool, that's not cool at all, And I mean it's just a miracle she survived, right, right, And that was what the investigator, the criminal investigators found in at least two other cases, and I think both of those made the press at some point.

They resulted in some big convictions later on.

But what we were also able to obtain from the intelligence that we were putting together is that there was going to be another big group coming out in the future, and we even had a date in a location.

And from that, I don't know why, I think they told me to go look into it because they really didn't think it was going to pan out into any She were bored, you.

Said the board again, he's bored, so I will send him out.

That's right.

Well, it was that quiet time of year too, Yeah, you know, quite but it was I remember it was a beautiful day and again, I don't remember the date.

I think it was in the like said, I think it was about this time of year, and uh, maybe October.

And I went out to this canyon and sure enough, there's a houseboat in this canyon.

Okay, that's not a big surprise.

But then as I got closer and got to the towards the boat and started to more up towards the boat, there was what base jumping gear all over this boat drying out right.

And again there was about twelve or fourteen base jumpers on this boat, some of them still in gear, some of them that had helmet cams on and and this kind of you know, those pro tech helmets that they are.

And so I boarded the boat and you know, kind of in front of him on it.

And it wasn't much they could do, you know, as far as you know, they really couldn't deny it.

But I needed help.

So I radioed back and ranger District Ranger Phil Hibbs came out, and we had another ranger come out, thank god, because it gets a little weird, you know, being in a remote canyon when you're out numbered fourteen to one.

Right, yes, yes, And we ended up gathering they had a reporter on there from a base jumping magazine who was who was documenting all that.

In fact, he had the first laptop computer I had ever seen.

That's how old.

That's how old this was.

And so yeah, we seized everything, and that seizure and that and all those people were charged and brought into federal court.

And then it wasn't long long after that I left to go to law school.

I remember getting a subpoena in law school that I had to go testify at a suppression hearing and I didn't want to do that.

I was in Denver and I remember calling back and saying, calling the a US, I said, I don't want to, and it's like, you know, I didn't know how dumb that was.

He's like, dude, you're coming.

You know you're coming.

We'll pick you up at the airport.

So yeah, that case with fourteen co defendants wound its way up all the way up to our US Supreme Court.

What wow.

They lost date appeal, they won on appeal, the government appealed, and then it kept.

It went all the way up to the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco, and what we did was held to be lawful.

The search, and it was it was upheld under the Carrol doctrine.

I know, you guys know what that means.

And they appealed it again up to the US Supreme Court, and the US Supreme Court denied cerciary on that, which basically upheld the Ninth Circuit.

And so the Ninth Circuit and the Supreme Court felt it was a solid case, a solid search, and those convictions stand.

So what they were saying basically is you had no right to board their boat and search and seize all of their stuff.

That's exactly Yeah, that's exactly what the courts were.

Well, that's what the defendants were saying.

Yeah, and that actually so what people don't realize if you're not a lawyer, is that a lot most decisions that happen in our appellate courts they're never even printed or published, at least not to where they're made public like they like.

The printed ones are to law students and lawyers right in those you know, when you're looking at a watching a law movie and you see all those books, those legal books in the bookcases, you know, those are the what we call the reporters, and those are the big, fancy looking legal books where a lot of this case law is And I remember this one got published and somebody sent me a copy of it or gave me the site.

I was still in law school, and I what was rare is it actually had my name all through it.

That is very informal.

I guess, yeah, stopped being fun.

So I was like, wow, because I'd read enough cases by then as a law student.

I'm like, that doesn't happen.

And I'm like, why did my name keep getting printed through this?

You can google it, you know, Ranger Chris Cessna right, It's called the Albers case a LB E.

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And and they kept citing my name and anyway, I was like, I guess I was proud of that.

And I took it up to my con law professor and I showed him this, and he was incredibly unimpressed, and he said, he said, come back to me when your name is a lawyer gets published on one of these Huh okay, that's pretty good.

And then you know, since then, I've gone on, gotten married, and I've got kids.

My kids are now in college, but when they were little, I took them to our law library and I kind of showed him a trick, and we went and found the Federal Reporter where that case is published.

So we pulled that big book off the shelf and I found, you know, the case which is in the middle of the book, and I showed him what it was.

They were probably twelve and fourteen at that time.

And I took a five dollar bill and I said, girls, I'm going to give you the site to this case, and when you're in college, you can come back here or come back in high school.

And if that dollar, if that five dollar bill is missing, then you know that somebody read Daddy's case.

For somebody Sam been back, it's probably the bill is probably still there.

But that's so cool.

Hey, so since you brought it up, and we don't need to get in the weeds with it.

But the Carroll doctrine, I think it's kind of would be interesting for people to hear why that it was allowed for you as a federal law enforcement officer, why that was upheld in what the Carroll doctrine actually is, which lats of states don't have that state law enforcement right, Like there's.

Like, well, I think there's a federal doctrine.

It is a federal doctrine.

States don't have it.

Yeah, so you were That's why you were good because federal law enforcement, you know, on the Carroll doctrine, you were allowed.

Explain why you were allowed.

If you don't remember, I'll make Nancy do it.

Well.

I think the Carroll doctrine actually involves motor homes and.

They anything that's movable.

Yeah, temporary and movable.

Yeah, because of the exigency and the fact that it can you know that it can get going right.

Yeah the area.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So like, yeah, if you're in a car and you get stopped and the ranger has probable cause they see something in your vehicle, they don't have to stop and get a warrant because of the Carroll doctrine, they can start their search there.

But we also learned the hard way.

A tent, by the way, maybe we shouldn't reveal this.

Even though a tent can't be temporary, it's considered house, and our U attorney a USA would go house house house warrant.

Warn't warn't so fun facts for you know, if you get pulled over in a in a federal area, you know, put up your contraband or just don't take it with you because federal l enforcement can't search it if they have probable cause.

Another fun fact.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, sorry, Okay, we distracted you.

Oh that was pretty much the end of the story.

Okay, then I have a question about your story going back to the actual incident.

So I'm gathering from how you shared the story.

So people would base jump and purposely land in the water, like near their boat or whatever.

They would land in the water.

These weren't people base jumping and landing in a field or in the desert some high desert area, sandy area, right.

They were landing in the water.

I think most of them did.

But I want to remember how I told you that criminal investigators uncovered some They went back through medical run sheets and I don't know how they did it other than that, but they uncovered a case where there were I think there were three base jumpers and one of them landed.

They they didn't land in water, and I don't think there was any water near where they were.

They knew they would land on dry land.

Oh this guy landed on a dead pine tree and then paled himself.

Oh jeez, oh my god.

Yeah, this one's you can I think you can Google search this one.

Yeah, and Uh, I don't remember that guy's name.

I think we got convictions out of that ultimately once it was discovered, and uh, they and again it was one of those things where his partners had left him.

They literally, as I remember, I'm going from memory, right, but I think you can look this up.

His partners left him there, and I don't know if he would I think he had died.

And uh, I think they knew he was dead and then they left and didn't call it in for a while.

If I have some of those facts, I think those facts are pretty correct.

It's just it's kind of despicable behavior.

That's Yeah, it doesn't sound like a very you know, friendly community, like, oh, we don't want to get our ticket for ice jumping, so we're gonna let you suffer until we can get everything cleaned up.

And or you, oh, you're stuck in trio, Well, let's we got to get out of here because we don't want to get a ticket for base jumping.

So, Chris, you said that when you guys were on the boat during that medical you were kind of gathering information that you were going to use later.

Was it did you see equipment base jumping equipment out or did somebody say something that caught your attention to base jumping or how what is it that you guys actually do you remember what you saw or what you heard?

Yeah, it was kind of a combination of things, and you know, we did, uh you know, I think make some option some pretty common sense observations, and I think one of the big ones that made us kind of think things through was how is this girl alive if she really fell?

And what and what she told me later is her parachute did not open all the way and I, yeah, I should have that was one of the things we discussed.

I'll do it.

Yeah.

Yeah, so it flowed her down enough to where you know, it saved your life, I guess, but but you know, she still sustained those life altering injuries.

So that was kind of a half truth.

She did fall from four hundred feet, except part of it was sort of slowed by yeah half yeah, deployed parachute.

Yeah, her parachute malfunctioned.

It came out, but it didn't open.

And I don't know if they have reserve chuotes, you know, like pilots do.

But uh, well it's probably such a short distance that they wouldn't have to deploy that anyway.

Oh that's a good point.

Yeah, I don't know.

Yikes, it's been so long.

Yeah, I don't remember everything.

So well.

Yeah, it was a crazy story, and it's it's you know, weird how things evolve into something completely different, you know.

Yeah, so that's that's uh Wright, I think we like this story so much.

Is you think you're going to one thing based on what was reported.

You arrived there and it's a completely different scene, and then you got to put on even other different hats.

You know, you putting on your ranger hat to get there, your E M T hat, you know, to deal with the medical, and then you got to put on your ranger hat, your LA enforcement hat to deal with an investigation and deal with these other people that Oh so did that?

Did the guys that were with that medical with the female, did they ever get cited or we contacted after?

Not?

Not unless they were with that group, you know that we later, you know, made a case against I don't know if those were the same people or not.

About the same number of people, but I don't I don't know if those were the same people or not.

So yeah, so probably a good probability, but you.

Know the other hat.

And I know you guys have experienced this a lot of times when you you're the one out there because I know we had to do it quite a bit, and that you put on that hat where you got to go break the news to family members.

Yeah right, yes, survive right.

Yeah.

When I think of those canyons, I took my family there, you know, when my girls were younger, and we went out there.

Not on the water, we just went to the beaches, you know.

Look, you know Lone Rock Beach, Tara.

I do.

I think I went there on a detail of no fun Memorial weekend together.

Yes, I remember you mentioned some of the things that were very true.

Oh yeah, we made arrests there and they beat us back to the beach while we were doing our piperwork.

And wall weep.

We come back and we're like.

You're here again.

Yeah that's funny.

It was crazy.

But uh yeah, you know, just you know, I couldn't see taking my family on vacation there.

It's just too many weird memories of not happy things, you know, correct.

That's what you see at your park is like I remember when that guy drowned right there.

I pulled a body out that canyon over there, and that's what you see, and that's what we would see.

You know, I this is.

Not about me.

It's just too quick.

Aside my kids.

We would take them in the park and we had one of our kids had a friend with them, and I traumatized my kids all the time, like he that's where like I went off the canyon and da, da da, and these three convicted fealons went in the air whatever and uh I did CPR and that pull out.

Oh look over here.

And so they were saying, mom, tell you know a friend about blah blah.

And I'm like, oh, yeah, dead.

And then they went home and told their mom and I'm like, oh my gosh, that's the kind of tour guide I am because I see all the traumas and shared it with my children and traumatize them.

So then their friends and their friends, like I didn't have any right to traumatize their friends.

I guess, well that's his name is you know, driving around debt as a as a former DA and you know, you remember from the reports where this scene happened, and you know, and you're and you know, you're driving around with your kids and I'm like, oh, I prosecute a case of that happened right there, and this one wants to try.

Yeah, yeah, it's interesting, like, yeah, all you do is talk about bad stuff.

But you probably also have a good sense of humor because, uh, you haven't think a lot of people in any of this field.

You know, we have some dark humor, but you we kind of have to have a little bit of humor.

So I haven't figured out how to weave those stories into dad jokes yet, but I like to remind him that I'm the king of the dad joke.

Well, you know, we can talk offline sometime and maybe we can help you form some yes dark dad talks.

All right, Okay, okay, thanks for inviting.

Me, and yeah, thanks for coming on.

Yeah, thanks for letting me share that story.

Yeah, that was such a good, interesting, real ranger story.

I love the real ranger stories.

The happy ending.

Right, it did have a happy ending, happy ending, and thank goodness you and Jack were where you were and God to that location when you did.

Things could have could have been so different.

So then within second yeah absolutely, yeah, she was literally yeah, plinging to life and probably only had minutes left.

Really, I can see why she wanted to meet you and thank you.

So that's pretty cool.

Yeah, that's great.

That was a good job.

I wish, I wish I knew, you know, what she was up to.

I don't, and uh, but she was a young, healthy gal and I'm sure she went on probably you know who knows.

She might see this podcast, so.

Maybe she will.

Hey, if you do, send us us, send us an email.

We'd love to hear from you.

So all right, well, hey, thanks again, And as we say to everybody, stay safe in wild places and watch out for the company.

And if you see something, say something.

Have a great day

To day.