Erin Power: This is a really fun conversation with Samantha Skyring, who's the founder and CEO of Oryx Desert Salt.

Erin Power: And I learned a lot about salt.

Erin Power: I learned a lot about salt that I, stuff I already knew and a lot of stuff I did not know.

Erin Power: I love playing dumb in these kinds of conversations where I can learn about something very simple like salt that I think a lot of health and wellness professionals know quite a bit about, Erin Power: but maybe not as much as we could know.

And obviously, salt is a really crucial mineral Erin Power: electrolyte for the body that's been villainized in sort of mainstream wellness narrative.

This is Erin Power: really crucial for health coaches to understand more about because your clients probably think Erin Power: salt is bad for them.

So we do talk about the health benefits of salt.

It's sort of the ancient Erin Power: wisdom of our body's need for salt.

But we also talk about how salt is sourced and some of the Erin Power: problems with that.

Oryx Desert Salt is fascinating in its origin, and Samantha is really passionate Erin Power: about it.

So you're going to learn a lot from her, as did I.

So Samantha Skyring is the founder and Erin Power: CEO of Oryx Desert Salt, a sustainable and ethically sourced gourmet salt company based in South Africa.

Erin Power: Her journey began when she embarked on a seven-month, 2,300-kilometer trek across the Namib Erin Power: Desert where she encountered an oryx, the antelope that inspired her brand name.

Her mission is to Erin Power: offer pure unrefined salt harvested from ancient underground brine in the Kalahari Desert using Erin Power: environmentally conscious practices.

Oryx Desert Salt is solar dried, retains essential minerals, Erin Power: and has become internationally recognized under her leadership.

Samantha is passionate about Erin Power: sustainability, fair trade, and educating people about the importance of mineral-rich, naturally Erin Power: produced salt.

And like I already said, you're going to learn a ton about salt.

Please enjoy Erin Power: this conversation with Samantha Skyring.

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Erin Power: All right, Samantha, I'm so excited to chat with you because I love salt.

I really love salt.

Erin Power: Why do we love salt so much?

Samatha Skyring: Because we're salty.

Samatha Skyring: Our tears are salty.

Samatha Skyring: Our sweat is salty.

Samatha Skyring: If we do a little paper cut, our blood is salty.

Samatha Skyring: We can't survive without it.

Samatha Skyring: And so the body craves what it knows it needs.

Samatha Skyring: And I think your audience are switched on, Samatha Skyring: and our body has this incredible intelligence.

Samatha Skyring: And so it's talking to us.

Samatha Skyring: And it's telling us it's needing more in order to function and bring up your vitality and your vibration.

Samatha Skyring: And just to be able to think, you know, that late afternoon brain fog or rather have an afternoon nap.

Samatha Skyring: You know, put a few grinds of good quality salt.

Samatha Skyring: So that's what we're going to get into, into your drinking water.

Samatha Skyring: And I actually had a really lovely experience the other day.

Samatha Skyring: You know, we need non-planned experiments.

Samatha Skyring: and I had a late afternoon meeting and I was so embarrassed I kept yawning you know and I was like Samatha Skyring: sorry John you're not boring but and I'd yawn again and I realized I hadn't had much I hadn't Samatha Skyring: had any water that day so picked up my water bottle it's got a bunch of Rx salt in it and I Samatha Skyring: chugged a third of the bottle back and I stopped yawning I was like wow so it just yeah I just Samatha Skyring: picked up my energy and allowed my brain to function again.

And we carried on with a really

Erin Power: good conversation.

Oh, wow.

Quick fix.

Well, I'm just curious.

And I wonder if you can explain a Erin Power: little bit.

I'm really always curious about this stuff because like, obviously we have a salt Erin Power: appetite.

We do.

We have that appetite, that craving or that need want for salt because it's Erin Power: so critically important for us.

But like, I do hear this kind of tale from folks in the salt world, Erin Power: which is that it really does help with mental clarity and energy but the thing is like salt Erin Power: itself doesn't have any like energy it doesn't have metabolic energy fuel right so how does it Erin Power: how did it clear up your brain when you're meeting with john the other day how did that work so

Samatha Skyring: sodium chloride in the minerals and trace elements actually create like a positive negative charge Samatha Skyring: and it needs that for the body to absorb it Samatha Skyring: and for your cells, your intercellular fluid Samatha Skyring: to be hydrated properly.

Samatha Skyring: So actually, if you're just chugging down a bunch of water, Samatha Skyring: you're not hydrating properly.

Samatha Skyring: And in fact, it can actually be damaging.

Samatha Skyring: You can be flushing all of your organs, Samatha Skyring: especially your kidneys.

Samatha Skyring: And then it has to sort of leach some minerals out Samatha Skyring: in order to bring it back again Samatha Skyring: because your body's really clever.

Samatha Skyring: So it creates it in the way that the body Samatha Skyring: It requires it.

Samatha Skyring: And so then it's got to rebalance, but it's taking from somewhere.

Samatha Skyring: So if we are supporting our bodies and creating an electrolyte, essentially, Samatha Skyring: because that's really what electrolytes are.

Samatha Skyring: The predominant ingredient is sodium.

Samatha Skyring: It's quite curious.

Samatha Skyring: There are a few brands that are using table salt, which really baffles my brain Samatha Skyring: because table salt was never, it didn't exist until, you know, just over 100 years ago.

Samatha Skyring: For millennia, we've been using salt from the oceans or salt from different sources, Samatha Skyring: like even in the Kalahari Desert where Oryx comes from.

Samatha Skyring: And I'm just going to quickly just put this up because this is video recorded, right?

Erin Power: Not only audio.

Samatha Skyring: Yeah.

Samatha Skyring: Okay, great.

Samatha Skyring: So this is called Oryx Desert Salt and literally it comes from the desert.

Samatha Skyring: But we'll get into that just now.

Samatha Skyring: Yes.

Samatha Skyring: And a thousand years ago, this little bottle, which is 100 grams, 3.76 ounces, was equivalent to its weight in gold because people understood the value and how essential it is for our survival, that that's how valuable it was.

Samatha Skyring: But then it started being created in these vast volumes and it's almost like a binding.

Samatha Skyring: So they put it into paint and paper and textile and PVC, C stands for chloride.

Samatha Skyring: Then they're making it in these huge volumes and then it lost its value.

Samatha Skyring: And also because some of the salt we found on the shelf, Samatha Skyring: it really should just say salt and not salt with anything else.

Samatha Skyring: Because salt naturally absorbs moisture, is hydroscopic.

Samatha Skyring: It's a gift to our bodies.

Samatha Skyring: So if we then putting a chemical to stop it from being hydroscopic, you know, we're actually taking salt's gift away from our body.

Samatha Skyring: But it was the start of the food convenience era.

Samatha Skyring: But it wasn't taken into consideration that it wasn't so convenient for our bodies.

Erin Power: So we jumped right into talking about salt.

Erin Power: And I want to get into Oryx and your salt company.

Erin Power: But just because we're here now.

Erin Power: I wonder, I'm super, super curious about this.

Erin Power: I just, and it's not something I know a lot about, to be honest with you.

Erin Power: Like I'm not one of these know-it-all health and wellness professionals that just knows everything about everything.

Erin Power: So I love, love, love learning about this stuff.

Erin Power: So table salt isn't real salt, is what you're kind of saying, right?

Erin Power: Is it concocted?

Erin Power: Like how is it made or where does it come from?

Erin Power: If quality salt comes from the sea or from the Kalahari Desert or wherever we're getting it from the earth, then where is table salt coming from?

Samatha Skyring: So I call table salt fake salt because it looks like salt and it tastes like salt, but it's adulterated.

Samatha Skyring: It's processed.

Samatha Skyring: So it also can come from the oceans or can come from ancient underground salt lakes.

Samatha Skyring: But it then goes through this radical process.

Samatha Skyring: So it's heated up to, I don't know, one article that I read, it was like 1200 degrees Fahrenheit.

Samatha Skyring: Some of it's bleached because they wanted white.

Samatha Skyring: They strip the minerals and the trace elements because they're impurities.

Samatha Skyring: And so what's left is just sodium chloride.

Samatha Skyring: So it isn't, you know, it isn't a whole food.

Samatha Skyring: And I think that's sort of the problem that we've got into, you know, in the last 100 years, 50 years, 20 years.

Samatha Skyring: where I think there might only be 10 or 15% worth of actual food on our supermarket shelves.

Samatha Skyring: Because otherwise it's just a bunch of chemicals put together and it looks like food and it tastes like food.

Samatha Skyring: And a lot of it's really delicious.

Samatha Skyring: But is it nourishing the body?

Samatha Skyring: Is it really able to nourish us in a deep way?

Samatha Skyring: Or is it just a bit of a stomach filler?

Samatha Skyring: And I'm not sure any of us really know what optimal health and vibration and vitality feels like, you know, unless we are living on a regenerative farm and eating a lot of salt.

Samatha Skyring: Because I think, you know, we have been indoctrinated with salt is bad for us.

Samatha Skyring: And I actually think we should split salt because I don't think table salt should be referred to as salt because it is adulterated.

Samatha Skyring: you know but yes so it would be like me giving you balsamic vinegar with your beautiful medium Samatha Skyring: rare filet steak from a regenerative farm and you know in your wine glass and you're going but you Samatha Skyring: know why are you giving me this but it's made from grapes like what are you complaining about you Samatha Skyring: know it's just something you know a bit of a similar metaphor so table salt is kind of sodium Samatha Skyring: chloride and then you get salt which is not processed not refined nothing's added nothing's Samatha Skyring: taken away and but then we've got to sort of for me get into the next conversation is what is the Samatha Skyring: source of your salt have you looked into where it comes from and how have we looked after where it

Erin Power: comes from and are they still clean so that that's the big question yeah yeah okay yeah so first of Erin Power: you when you're describing table salt that was great it's a processed food product which is Erin Power: just par for the course like of course it is everything is like but you know to me table salt Erin Power: doesn't even taste like salt actually don't I don't think it does it tastes salty but it doesn't Erin Power: taste like salt so but anyway so you just because you just brought up you just use this balsamic Erin Power: vinegar metaphor it made me think of the beautiful balsamic vinegar I get at the special balsamic Erin Power: vinegar store where I also get my olive oil because I want my olive oil and my balsamic Erin Power: vinegar to be like pure from the appropriate sources because all the grocery store olive Erin Power: oil apparently is soybean or something like that right that conspiracy well actually I was at a

Samatha Skyring: friend's house for dinner and she had this bottle and had extra virgin olive oil on and I looked at Samatha Skyring: the ingredients and it had one percent of extra virgin olive oil that should that should be legal Samatha Skyring: and I think even table salt, I don't think it should be allowed on a supermarket shelf.

Erin Power: But then I've heard too that some of these pink Himalayan salts in the grocery store are not Erin Power: authentic either.

So now you're talking about sourcing.

So this is something you're an expert Erin Power: in, right?

I mean, so we should probably by way of introduction, remind people who you are.

Erin Power: You are the CEO of Oryx Salt.

Yeah.

And you have this whole origin story about how you developed Erin Power: your salt company.

I definitely want to explore that.

But as a salt expert or salt guru, Erin Power: talk to me about sourcing.

And I guess, how did you learn about how to source salt and Erin Power: where the good salt is and where the not so good salt comes from?

And I'm just really curious about

Samatha Skyring: sourcing quality salt.

Hi, thanks.

Okay.

So firstly, thank you for calling me an expert.

Samatha Skyring: And I think my expertise has come from, and when I share with you where the salt comes from, this passion.

Samatha Skyring: And, but I'm not a doctor, but everything that I'm going to share with you, if you do your research, Samatha Skyring: so I'm just, this is a little bit of a 101 and I've kind of done the research.

Samatha Skyring: And, and actually, if you sit and you really think about, you know, the fact is, you know, our tears are salty.

Samatha Skyring: Our sweat is salty.

Samatha Skyring: And obviously that needs to be replenished.

Samatha Skyring: If you run in your black T-shirt on a hot summer's day, you're going to end up with little white, you know, they look like waves.

Samatha Skyring: And that's the minerals and trace elements that are leaching out of your body.

Samatha Skyring: And of course, it needs to be replaced.

Samatha Skyring: So it's pretty obvious you can't replace it with a table salt that's been stripped of its minerals and trace elements.

Samatha Skyring: I mean, it's, you know, it's common sense.

Samatha Skyring: So, yeah, so this salt, the Kalahari Desert of Southern Africa.

Samatha Skyring: So hello, everybody, from the very, very southern tip of Africa.

Samatha Skyring: I live in Cape Town.

Samatha Skyring: It's winter.

Samatha Skyring: It's eight o'clock at night.

Samatha Skyring: I think Erin, what time is it?

Samatha Skyring: Your time?

Samatha Skyring: It's 12 noon, middle of the day.

Samatha Skyring: So a friend was actually selling the salt and bulk overseas.

Samatha Skyring: And I had just come out of an eight-year period where I'd been doing drumming workshops with children across South Africa as an empowerment project.

Samatha Skyring: It was called Transformation Through Celebration.

Samatha Skyring: So it was an attempt to give children from very rural, very disadvantaged communities a heart-brain coherence and a heart coherence.

Samatha Skyring: You might have had the experience of drumming with 100 or 500 or 1,000, maybe not 1,000 people, but we'd have 1,000 children drumming together.

Samatha Skyring: And there was this absolute incredible joy that they would experience.

Samatha Skyring: And they had really hard lives.

Samatha Skyring: Many of them didn't have parents because of HIV AIDS.

Samatha Skyring: So I'd come out of that.

Samatha Skyring: There'd been a financial crash.

Samatha Skyring: I was a new single mom.

Samatha Skyring: I had to leave a very dysfunctional relationship, which thank you, because if it had been a happy, secure relationship, Samatha Skyring: Oryx Desert Salt would not be available in Whole Foods across America or on Amazon in Canada.

Samatha Skyring: So I love looking at life in retrospect and the blessings, these, you know, hard moments, these seemingly crises, but actually they're junctures and crossroads in our lives and almost our soul's journey, you know, bringing us to where we are.

Samatha Skyring: And so I started when I got back, I'd already created a brand.

Samatha Skyring: And then I was so intrigued.

Samatha Skyring: In fact, I actually sold my house and I bought 34 tons of salt.

Samatha Skyring: I'm not sure what I was thinking.

Samatha Skyring: But I was committed, you know, like I was all in.

Samatha Skyring: And I think they had had some big storms up in the region.

Samatha Skyring: And so I was like, okay, well, I've just got to make sure there's, I've always got salt.

Samatha Skyring: And then I went up to the salt pans in order to connect to the source.

Samatha Skyring: And it was a really powerful experience.

Samatha Skyring: And because the drive from Cape Town there is about 19 hours, Samatha Skyring: If I was to fly, the drive is two and a half hours.

Samatha Skyring: So the whole Kalahari, it's nine million square hectares, Samatha Skyring: which is one and a half times the size of Texas.

Samatha Skyring: So to give you a sense of scale, I think Texas is one of the biggest states in the US.

Samatha Skyring: So for 175 miles, you just drive and drive and keep driving and keep driving.

Samatha Skyring: And there's these incredible, beautiful red sand dunes and blue sky.

Samatha Skyring: and then it's off, it's on a dirt road for, I've got to convert backwards, that would be about 30 miles Samatha Skyring: and then another seven miles off through some farms and then suddenly there's this magnificent Samatha Skyring: 5,000 hectare sulpan and actually the first time I went we were all in a van together, about nine of us Samatha Skyring: and we'd been chit-chatting the sort of last half an hour.

Samatha Skyring: We could feel that we were close, we'd all napped.

Samatha Skyring: And then as we came up over this rise and saw this just expansive white, Samatha Skyring: there was complete silence.

Samatha Skyring: And it was almost like this respect, this like ode to the salt pan.

Samatha Skyring: But there was something reverent about it.

Samatha Skyring: And then I actually went up last year to do a documentary Samatha Skyring: and we were gifted a thunderstorm, which is rare in the desert.

Samatha Skyring: And it really felt like a gift from the gods because our two-day photo shoot had been shifted times.

Samatha Skyring: And that wasn't something I could have put on the production plan.

Samatha Skyring: You know, it wasn't like, right, thunderstorm, second afternoon for a photo shoot.

Samatha Skyring: And it just absolutely downpoured.

Samatha Skyring: There was lightning and thunder.

Samatha Skyring: It lasted about 20 minutes.

Samatha Skyring: And we went outside and there was this beautiful raw earth smell from the rain on the earth.

Samatha Skyring: and the sky was the most incredible colors.

Samatha Skyring: And then I went behind the chalet Samatha Skyring: and looked out in the direction of the salt pans.

Samatha Skyring: I couldn't see them because they were behind the sand dunes Samatha Skyring: and there were two double rainbows.

Samatha Skyring: And I just suddenly had this feeling of how the salt, Samatha Skyring: because our salt is actually sun-dried, Samatha Skyring: it isn't oven-dried, Samatha Skyring: so it still has a percentage of moisture.

Samatha Skyring: And how it absorbs these beautiful elements in the desert.

Samatha Skyring: And what's fascinating is, so they discovered underneath the salt pan, Samatha Skyring: a 5,000, no, a 55 million ton salt lake or an aquifer.

Erin Power: Salt lake.

Samatha Skyring: Oh.

Samatha Skyring: Yeah.

Samatha Skyring: So it's a living, active lake.

Samatha Skyring: It's fed and renewed and sustained by three subterranean rivers or streams called strivers.

Samatha Skyring: A new word.

Samatha Skyring: that flow 100 and 300 feet underground.

Samatha Skyring: And they flow through rock strata that are tested at 280 million years old.

Samatha Skyring: So if you can kind of just close your eyes and just drop into this vastness, Samatha Skyring: this absolute beauty, this beautiful salt pan, this underground lake, Samatha Skyring: the rivers are like flowing through the earth, through Mother Earth, Samatha Skyring: picking up the minerals and the trace elements.

Samatha Skyring: And the two really fascinating things is that when we draw it up onto the salt pan, Samatha Skyring: so now it literally, it does get pumped onto the salt pan, which means it's living.

Samatha Skyring: So, you know, we can get into the whole conversation around water and the charge that water has when it, you know, Samatha Skyring: it comes from underground, like spring water versus tap water.

Samatha Skyring: So that in itself has got a charge.

Samatha Skyring: And then this brine salt water is oversaturated.

Samatha Skyring: which means that it crystallizes in only four weeks in one lunar cycle.

Samatha Skyring: It lies on the pan, through a dark moon, under the stars, through a full moon, Samatha Skyring: and it crystallizes into the crystals that we put into the salt grinder.

Samatha Skyring: And so in that time, it's absorbing the beautiful elements, Samatha Skyring: and we add nothing and we take nothing away.

Samatha Skyring: And I have had it tested.

Samatha Skyring: it.

I went to a, to our, somebody who trains a craniosacral therapist.

He does kinesiology Samatha Skyring: and he's tested the vibration of it.

It's a high vibration, high frequency kind of activated Samatha Skyring: salt because it, you know, it hasn't been through ovens.

You know, it's just, it's literally Samatha Skyring: a gift.

Balanced by nature.

Erin Power: Oh gosh, the way you describe it, it sounds just, I mean, mystical.

Erin Power: sacred something.

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Erin Power: I actually have a kind of a few maybe kind of dumb follow-up questions, but I love to be the dummy Erin Power: to learn things.

But before I get into that, I do have a question.

And this is so out of my Erin Power: wheelhouse.

I know a lot of people listening are really knowledgeable about this stuff and Erin Power: potentially Samantha, you are as well, but it occurs to me, okay, salt is a crystal.

Erin Power: And I know that in the realm of crystals, the moon plays a role in activating or charging the crystals.

Erin Power: Because I just thought it was really beautiful how you described, you know, the brine saltwater crystallizes in a month, one lunar cycle.

Erin Power: I mean, is there something there?

Is there something lunar involved in terms of the mineral makeup or the energy of this product?

Samatha Skyring: So I think many of us at this time have heard of Dr.

Masaru Immortal, the Japanese scientist who did the experiments on water.

Samatha Skyring: I think you can buy a lot of bottles now where you've got love and trust and where you can write your own words on.

Samatha Skyring: And in fact, even, I mean, it takes us back to the simple act of prayer and grace and blessing over our food.

Samatha Skyring: And that is almost, you know, you're blessing your food, you're blessing the chef, the hands that made it.

Samatha Skyring: And that is an act of almost putting intention and love into our foods.

Samatha Skyring: So Dr.

Massario Maltor did tests on bottles where he both put words, wrote words, and he put an intention and a thought.

Samatha Skyring: And there were positive words and then there were negative words.

Samatha Skyring: And when he took a drop of the positive words and he froze it and crystallized it and he took macro photography, Samatha Skyring: All the positive words look like magnificent salt crystals.

Samatha Skyring: And you can, I mean, he wrote books.

Samatha Skyring: He did lots of many experiments.

Samatha Skyring: And then when he took all of the negative words, Samatha Skyring: so envy and jealousy and guilt and shame, Samatha Skyring: the crystalline structure of the water has no form.

Samatha Skyring: It looks dead.

Samatha Skyring: So his message to the world is your thoughts are changing the crystalline structure of your body.

Samatha Skyring: And so we really need to observe and watch and be mindful of how we're talking to ourselves, that inner critic, that we literally are we changing our makeup.

Samatha Skyring: And then I was introduced to, well, introduced, just somebody, you know, shared with me, Veda Austin.

Samatha Skyring: She's based in New Zealand and she's been having conversations with water for 15 years.

Samatha Skyring: Anyway, so I started following her on Instagram and seeing some of the experiments and literally taking a Petri dish and having a conversation or putting a thought or asking it for a message and freezing it.

Samatha Skyring: And there's a whole process and there are lots of YouTube clips on how to do it.

Samatha Skyring: Anyway, so I was really fascinated.

Samatha Skyring: So, in fact, my very first experience of a salt pan was I traveled five months in the adjacent country called Namibia.

Samatha Skyring: And I ended up on a salt pan, an untouched salt pan on full moon and walked across this Samatha Skyring: pan by the light of the moon.

Samatha Skyring: And it felt like I was walking through a bed of diamonds.

Samatha Skyring: It was so sparkly and bright and crystalline, as you said, you know, these perfect geometric Samatha Skyring: shapes.

Samatha Skyring: So when I think of the salt pan, I do think of the moon as that connection, that intention Samatha Skyring: to a degree.

Samatha Skyring: And so I took a Petri dish and I put spring water and a crystal of Oryx and I put it in the freezer.

Samatha Skyring: It took longer to freeze, kept checking it because salt water takes longer.

Samatha Skyring: And then I went and put it over just a lamp and I took my cell phone and I took a photograph.

Samatha Skyring: And if we can, maybe when you post this, I'll send you an image that we can add to it of the picture of the salt and the picture of a full moon.

Samatha Skyring: And it's like, it's literally jaw dropping.

Samatha Skyring: It's so incredible.

Samatha Skyring: So yes, Erin, you are so absolutely right.

Samatha Skyring: It literally absorbs the energy of the moon and the sun and the stars and the wind.

Samatha Skyring: So it's elemental.

Samatha Skyring: And it's so beautiful because I do quite a lot of shows and often in spaces like David Samatha Skyring: Ashby's Biohacking Conference in the US.

Samatha Skyring: I've been there for four years.

Samatha Skyring: And it's a beautiful community of people who've done their research.

Samatha Skyring: They, you know, they want to upgrade.

Samatha Skyring: They want to take care of themselves.

Samatha Skyring: They want the best quality products.

Samatha Skyring: And I've had so many people come up to the stand who've discovered it at Whole Foods.

Samatha Skyring: And they've used it for a couple of weeks or a couple of months.

Samatha Skyring: They didn't know anything about the product.

Samatha Skyring: And they feel the difference.

Samatha Skyring: So that, for me, is really fascinating.

Samatha Skyring: And, yeah, I'm so sorry I haven't sent you souls yet.

Samatha Skyring: I will.

Samatha Skyring: No worries.

Samatha Skyring: I'm very excited to try it.

Erin Power: Because for me, I want to know what it tastes like.

Erin Power: And also when you say, what does it feel like?

Erin Power: These folks, what do people notice?

Erin Power: Okay.

Samatha Skyring: So on the taste, we were talking just now about table salt

Erin Power: and you were saying that it doesn't really taste like salt.

Samatha Skyring: And I think it's because it doesn't have the minerals and the trace elements.

Samatha Skyring: It seems to pick up only the saltiness on your tongue.

Erin Power: Yes.

Erin Power: Yes.

Erin Power: It's sort of like a hollow, incomplete saltiness is kind of what it feels like to me.

Samatha Skyring: Yeah, that feels very apt.

Samatha Skyring: Whereas Oryx, and I've done thousands of, like I just call it the grind taste test.

Samatha Skyring: And usually at a show, I ask people to give me a tequila fist because they've been shaking hands and touching banisters.

Samatha Skyring: And so this is a clean part.

Samatha Skyring: And I grind Oryx on and they taste it and they're like, hmm, that's salty.

Samatha Skyring: And then I give them sea salt.

Samatha Skyring: And it's any sea salt.

Samatha Skyring: And I don't even use table salt because that would just be too harsh.

Erin Power: Then they have sea salt.

Samatha Skyring: And there's such an interesting, it's because I do believe in the body's innate intelligence.

Samatha Skyring: And there's kind of this like, they face puckers.

Samatha Skyring: And they're like contract.

Samatha Skyring: And they're like, oh, that's salty.

Samatha Skyring: And then there's a sort of aftertaste that comes.

Samatha Skyring: And so Oryx, some chefs call it a sweet salt, but it seems to open up all of the taste buds.

Samatha Skyring: So when you put it over your food, it's almost like a flavor enhancer.

Samatha Skyring: And it's, you know, it's full and it's gentle.

Samatha Skyring: But there's the body again is like, I recognize you.

Samatha Skyring: That feels good.

Samatha Skyring: And on my email signature, I say powered by desert salt.

Samatha Skyring: because I have an incredible amount of energy always.

Samatha Skyring: I mean, and I think like, I really feel like I've, I am on purpose, Samatha Skyring: that this is my soul work that, and I, and I can affirm that in a way in that.

Samatha Skyring: So this beautiful creature is called an oryx.

Samatha Skyring: And my lovely son, when he was seven, painted this for me.

Erin Power: So that's kind of what they look like.

Samatha Skyring: Very sweet.

Samatha Skyring: And they live in the Kalahari Desert in these incredibly harsh, super hot regions with minimal, minimal water.

Samatha Skyring: And I traveled in Namibia for five months, but I had one particular experience where I was, well, I had two.

Samatha Skyring: The first one, I was actually sitting on top of a sand dune.

Samatha Skyring: We decided to sleep in the car park of a huge, I mean, it must have been about 20.

Samatha Skyring: It's so hard to translate.

Samatha Skyring: It is just a vast desert.

Erin Power: With these magnificent red sand dunes.

Samatha Skyring: I mean, from the gate into the park was an hour just through these sand dunes.

Samatha Skyring: And so we were sitting and we had an umbrella over us and we saw two oryx and they were two bulls.

Samatha Skyring: The one was chasing the other because we could hear they were grunting and kind of almost roaring in the distance.

Samatha Skyring: And then they went behind a sand dune and, you know, that was incredible to see them in the desert running.

Samatha Skyring: And then, you know, we forgot about them.

Samatha Skyring: You know, the next three minutes or so later, these two Oryx ran up the hill and literally skid to a stop about nine feet away from us.

Samatha Skyring: And so we were quite shocked.

Samatha Skyring: I mean, they are, yeah, they're about nine feet tall with their horns.

Erin Power: Their horns themselves are three feet.

Samatha Skyring: And they're dangerous.

Samatha Skyring: They can literally put their heads down and just skewer you like a kebab, you know.

Samatha Skyring: And they were heaving and we could smell them.

Samatha Skyring: And then they, you know, we just had this moment of presence.

Samatha Skyring: I don't know if it was 30 seconds or a minute.

Samatha Skyring: And then they ran off as friends.

Samatha Skyring: And I searched the other day, like how big the stairs it is.

Samatha Skyring: And I mean, it is so vast.

Samatha Skyring: The fact that they ran, they didn't run, you know, 30 or 50 feet that direction or to the other side.

Samatha Skyring: They literally ran into my path and my friend's path.

Samatha Skyring: And then once I'd chosen this magnificent masked creature as the logo, I did some research and I discovered some of them can go their whole lives without drinking water, but they can't go weeks without licking salt.

Samatha Skyring: it is so essential for their survival in the desert and their hair actually absorbs the moisture and Samatha Skyring: the dew at nighttime in the desert and they hydrate hypodermically which is also just another miracle Samatha Skyring: so you know this this kind of you know this omen this animal the spirit animal you know kind of Samatha Skyring: came goes it as you know this beautiful mask and it literally has a heart on the top of its head Samatha Skyring: which I just think is so beautiful.

Samatha Skyring: And then I discovered that they lick salt frequently in order to survive, Samatha Skyring: but they don't need water.

Samatha Skyring: It was just, yeah, just quite fascinating.

Erin Power: Well, I'm really intrigued by this desert.

Erin Power: I mean, this is one of the dumb questions I have, actually, Erin Power: because I have never seen a salt flat.

Erin Power: I've never been on one.

Erin Power: I've probably driven past one somewhere, you know, Erin Power: somewhere in a prairie somewhere, you know.

Erin Power: I don't know if that's real.

I don't know.

I know nothing.

So these salt flats emerge from the Erin Power: underground lakes and rivers, and they come up to the ground and then dry.

And that's how we get Erin Power: salt.

Is this an infinite resource?

We're never going to run out.

Where does it come from, come

Samatha Skyring: problem.

Sometimes I wish we had a like a permanent drone like if there was a satellite in the sky Samatha Skyring: from a million years ago you know there's some like like to see the Grand Canyon over a million Samatha Skyring: years you know in a time lapse you know I'd love to see that.

So there you know it's a bit like Samatha Skyring: so interestingly Salt Lake in Utah is an ancient solidified salt lake.

So you know at some point Samatha Skyring: when, I mean, how many trillions of years ago Samatha Skyring: when the earth was just one, Samatha Skyring: you know, there was one continent before it split.

Samatha Skyring: And, you know, maybe if the, you know, Samatha Skyring: if the story of, you know, the Noah and the ark is true, Samatha Skyring: then at some point all of the earth was covered in sea, Samatha Skyring: you know, was covered in the ocean and the sea.

Samatha Skyring: So I'm not a historian or a geologist, Samatha Skyring: but this particular region in the desert Samatha Skyring: is just, there's salt lake, Samatha Skyring: There's not salt lakes, but there's salt flats everywhere.

Samatha Skyring: So it's a little bit like gold.

Samatha Skyring: And, you know, in certain regions of different continents, you get gold and you get platinum and you get titanium.

Samatha Skyring: And, you know, so they're different minerals that are, you know, sourced from different places.

Samatha Skyring: Although what's really fascinating for me is that salt is available across every continent.

Samatha Skyring: There are little pockets of it everywhere.

Samatha Skyring: And for me, it's because, you know, animals need it.

Samatha Skyring: I mean, and all farmers know this, you know, you give your sheep salt blocks to lick and your cattle and your horses.

Samatha Skyring: So, you know, here they give the, you know, we give animals this raw salt and yet we go and eat a processed, you know, refined salt.

Samatha Skyring: It's like, but surely if we looking after, you know, if we looked after ourselves as well as we looked after our animals, Samatha Skyring: Sometimes we'd also choose a salt that is pure and so on.

Samatha Skyring: So there was a question you asked about the source.

Samatha Skyring: So the beautiful thing is that when we pour up the salt brine water onto the lake, Samatha Skyring: and it's come from underground and it's been replenished and resourced from these underground rivers, Samatha Skyring: is that it hasn't been touched by human hands.

Samatha Skyring: And the closest town is 175 miles away.

Samatha Skyring: So that's a really rare situation because we have got our very dirty fingers into almost every corner of the planet.

Samatha Skyring: And we haven't looked after our beautiful earth and our environment.

Samatha Skyring: And the oceans, which is obviously where we have resourced salt from predominantly in our history because it's so prevalent.

Samatha Skyring: And, you know, in the ancient days, you know, even if you go to certain places, you know, the salt water can collect in rocks and you can see, you know, you can actually pick up crystals of salt.

Samatha Skyring: But the oceans are so polluted now, you know, they're polluted with plastic.

Samatha Skyring: The fertilizers and the pesticides and the glycephic runoff from all of the farms, that ends up in the oceans.

Samatha Skyring: In fact, there's a, I mean, I don't know if you've done much research, Samatha Skyring: but there's pharmaceutical contamination in the oceans now.

Samatha Skyring: And I met a marine biologist in the UK, Samatha Skyring: and he works with oysters in Ireland, and he tested the oysters, Samatha Skyring: and they've got opioids and contraceptives in them.

Samatha Skyring: So because, you know, I know, it's just, it's frightening.

Samatha Skyring: It's so, so shocking.

Samatha Skyring: In fact, the cruise liners, because, you know, the countries, Samatha Skyring: supposedly, not always, are supposed to protect, you know, the shorelines, which we don't.

Samatha Skyring: There's sewage runoff many places.

Samatha Skyring: But I don't know what I'll have to research, but how many miles off the coastline is international Samatha Skyring: waters.

Samatha Skyring: And so cruise liners can just dump, you know, I mean, how many people, 3,000, 5,000 people Samatha Skyring: can fit onto a cruise liner.

Samatha Skyring: and apparently out in the deep ocean they can just dump which is just it's bizarre I mean we just Samatha Skyring: in fact even the fact that we we flush our you know our excrement out with fresh water is even a Samatha Skyring: really bizarre concept that we you know we've kind of you know we've allowed ourselves to do that it's Samatha Skyring: a bit it's a bit weird you know water that is so should be sacred and is so essential to our survival Samatha Skyring: you know we you know we use it for that it's a bit anyways we we're a weird species i think

Erin Power: we are so you know gosh you bring to light the fact that man we really have messed up Erin Power: this planet like the oceans are done for not not to be fatalistic but Erin Power: so because i was going to ask you the question like from a nutritional or energetic perspective Erin Power: how does desert salt differ from sea salt?

Erin Power: But the big factor is the sea is a dumpster fire.

Erin Power: The sea is dirty now.

Erin Power: And now this salt flat in the Calahari Desert has been untouched.

Erin Power: Is it truly pure?

Erin Power: Can we say that it's pure?

Erin Power: Do you know what I mean?

Samatha Skyring: And clean.

Samatha Skyring: For me, it's pure and clean.

Samatha Skyring: And I call it naturally organic because you actually can't certify salt organic Samatha Skyring: because it's natural.

Samatha Skyring: You know, we don't, you know, yes, we pump it up and it's sort of, you know, we help it, you know, create it in a way, but the FDA don't allow us to certify it.

Samatha Skyring: But I've, you know, I can't really see it, but this is a bottle of homeopathy.

Samatha Skyring: My son's nearly 18 and he's only grown up on homeopathic remedies or predominantly.

Samatha Skyring: And it's my go-to when I travel and, you know, there's a very, it's a 19-hour flight from South Africa to the US.

Samatha Skyring: And if I, you know, the time lag and if when I, if I get sick and when I get sick, it predominantly goes to my chest.

Samatha Skyring: I get a sore throat and then I get chesty.

Samatha Skyring: That's my weak spot.

Samatha Skyring: So I always travel with three remedies, throat, bronchial and sinus.

Samatha Skyring: And, and I've, I've had many moments where I've been at sort of three, four, five day trade shows, you know, inside a conference area and my throat starts getting very dry and scratchy.

Samatha Skyring: And I get concerned.

Samatha Skyring: One, I've got to talk a lot and share the story a lot.

Samatha Skyring: And I've many times in the evening where it's kind of my throat's been, you know, when you kind of lower your chin because your throat's hard to swallow.

Samatha Skyring: I dose myself up many times before I go to bed and I fall asleep with a few of the pillies underneath my tongue and they dissolve.

Samatha Skyring: And I wake up with no sore throat whatsoever.

Samatha Skyring: And then if I don't catch it in time or I'm lying there and I'm like, oh, my throat's sore, but I'm so tired and I don't want to get up.

Samatha Skyring: And then the next morning I can feel it's starting to drop into my chest.

Samatha Skyring: So from a homeopathic perspective, and what's really interesting with homeopathy is the most potent dose are the ones that are diluted the most.

Samatha Skyring: And so if we consider what's in the oceans, it's filled with whatever we've dumped in it.

Samatha Skyring: And there's a resonance of that.

Samatha Skyring: There's a frequency of that.

Samatha Skyring: So personally, I mean, there are these lovely, I'll be sending you some.

Samatha Skyring: And I hope a lot of your audience are in the US and not everyone's in Canada.

Samatha Skyring: But in fact, actually, I do have a distributor who's taken some of these.

Samatha Skyring: So I'll maybe put the link.

Samatha Skyring: So these are the little baby travel shakers.

Samatha Skyring: Erin, you'll be getting a box.

Samatha Skyring: But they are available in world market in the USA nationally.

Samatha Skyring: I travel with my salt everywhere that I go.

Samatha Skyring: because if I go to a restaurant and they've got sea salt, Samatha Skyring: I'm just like, thank you.

Samatha Skyring: No, thank you.

Samatha Skyring: I'll have my own.

Samatha Skyring: But, you know, yes, you know, we can kind of have a look Samatha Skyring: at how we've damaged the earth and the planet and what we've done.

Samatha Skyring: But I really believe that nature is so much bigger than us.

Samatha Skyring: And if she, Gaia, the earth decides that we really are annoying her too much, Samatha Skyring: You know, she can shake us off like fleas off a dog's back, you know, like, you know, we can just, but I really believe that nature can regenerate.

Samatha Skyring: So, in fact, we actually, didn't we see that in COVID?

Samatha Skyring: There were so many incredible videos where.

Erin Power: Yes, you're right, of nature creeping back into cities and things.

Erin Power: Yes.

Samatha Skyring: And in China, the children saw blue sky for the first time.

Erin Power: Yeah.

Samatha Skyring: And there was a gentleman, I think, in Pakistan who had lived there his whole life.

Samatha Skyring: He was 25 years old.

Samatha Skyring: And suddenly he could see the Himalayas.

Samatha Skyring: He'd never seen the mountains.

Samatha Skyring: And they were in the distance.

Samatha Skyring: And that wasn't that long, maybe six months or something.

Samatha Skyring: And how things went back to an equilibrium or a beautiful balance.

Samatha Skyring: So we think we're powerful.

Samatha Skyring: And we certainly have done damage.

Samatha Skyring: But I think in the greater scheme, I don't think we can.

Samatha Skyring: And in some manners, we'll go extinct.

Samatha Skyring: But I believe that, you know, the planet will just regenerate.

Erin Power: Yeah.

Erin Power: Well, I mean, this is an ancient wisdom that you're referring to, the ancient wisdom of nature, of planet Earth.

Erin Power: And then we have this ancient wisdom in our bodies, too.

Erin Power: And so this kind of gets to me into the realm.

Erin Power: And I think I mentioned to you before we pressed record that I had a client, one of my clients today, ask me.

Erin Power: she asked me a question about feeling more thirsty since we changed her diet.

She's like, Erin Power: is it normal to feel more thirsty?

I've been drinking a lot more water lately.

And I said, Erin Power: well, have you been putting salt into your diet?

Because that's all part of the hydration Erin Power: package, shall we say.

And she had the perspective that she doesn't want to consume salt because it's Erin Power: not good for her.

And she's worried about having a heart condition.

So there's a major discrepancy Erin Power: between the ancient wisdom of our body and the ancientness of salt and then the modern conventional Erin Power: perspective on salt.

And I'm just curious if you have a boilerplate, shall we say, rally cry as to Erin Power: why we have this discrepancy or how health coaches can help their clients navigate.

Erin Power: Remember, our audience is health coaches.

So I know my audience's clients are asking the exact Erin Power: same question my client asked, which is, I'm not supposed to eat salt.

It's bad for you.

Erin Power: So how do we square this, the ancient wisdom of the body, the ancient wisdom of minerals with Erin Power: what the modern perspective is?

I mean, it's so sad that this narrative

Samatha Skyring: has been put out into the world and we can go down a whole lot of conspiracy theory Samatha Skyring: rabbit holes if we want to do, but we won't.

You know, nature firstly, wouldn't create a product Samatha Skyring: that is so prevalent all over the world.

Samatha Skyring: And if we weren't supposed to have, you know, such access to it.

Samatha Skyring: And so Dr.

James DeNicolantonio is a cardiac researcher Samatha Skyring: and he's written a book called Salt Fix.

Samatha Skyring: So any of those who are really intrigued by this conversation and salt, Samatha Skyring: it's an incredible book to read.

Samatha Skyring: What James kind of wrapped it up in one thing is that the wrong white crystal got the bad rap Samatha Skyring: and that actually, you know, sugar's doing a lot of damage.

Samatha Skyring: But, you know, the Hippocratic Oath, Samatha Skyring: which is what all doctors are supposed to, you know, Samatha Skyring: have given their oath to, Samatha Skyring: and part of that is food is thy medicine.

Samatha Skyring: So if we go back to the way things were, Samatha Skyring: where, you know, we preserved our meat, our vegetables, Samatha Skyring: our pickled, our sauerkraut, you know, Samatha Skyring: just cabbage and salt and water Samatha Skyring: creates this prebiotic probiotic for our system and we preserve our vegetables and Samatha Skyring: so if we were living very like really in a in a very natural way and we were living with the Samatha Skyring: seasons we would need to pickle our vegetables you know for the winter season which means that in Samatha Skyring: winter we'd be having a lot more salt summer we would need more salt as well because maybe it's hot Samatha Skyring: and you, you know, chop wood, carry water, Samatha Skyring: but you would be eating some of those vegetables Samatha Skyring: or you'd be really eating veggies that are from the earth Samatha Skyring: that have been well nourished with, you know, good,

Erin Power: all of the cuttings and, you know, so,

Samatha Skyring: and table salt is bad.

Samatha Skyring: So I believe that when they talk about salt is bad, Samatha Skyring: it's a salt that's been processed and adulterated.

Samatha Skyring: Yes, that's bad, but a mineral rich salt Samatha Skyring: that is, you know, not processed or been in a factory, Samatha Skyring: the body absolutely, you know, it needs.

Samatha Skyring: And again, I think it's back to our beautiful taste buds Samatha Skyring: that talk to us.

Samatha Skyring: So it is coming back to that intuitive eating Samatha Skyring: and wanting salty is not going for the packet of crisps.

Samatha Skyring: Doritos, yeah, yeah.

Samatha Skyring: You know, and I think often what happens Samatha Skyring: is when we are hungry, actually we are thirsty.

Samatha Skyring: And if we were drinking water that came out of the mountain springs, Samatha Skyring: it would have minerals and trace elements Samatha Skyring: and it would have some sodium in it as well.

Samatha Skyring: So, you know, then we'd be hydrating, you know, properly,

Erin Power: but we're drinking tap water, we're drinking bottled water

Samatha Skyring: that sat for, you know, sometimes months.

Samatha Skyring: So it had no aliveness to it.

Samatha Skyring: So, and you mentioned earlier that salt is sacred and Khalil Gibran, Samatha Skyring: you know, he said there's something sacred about salt Samatha Skyring: because it is in our tears and our sweat.

Samatha Skyring: And so we have what we call our corporate logo, which is this.

Samatha Skyring: If you can imagine taking out the Oryx Desert Salt Samatha Skyring: and you just extended the line in the middle across, Samatha Skyring: you would have two semicircles in a circle.

Samatha Skyring: Now, that is the ancient alchemical symbol for salt.

Samatha Skyring: So before we, you know, change things with our food, Samatha Skyring: in ancient sort of Veda times, Samatha Skyring: when there was something that really represented, Samatha Skyring: the symbol represented what the product was, Samatha Skyring: salt was perfect balance.

Samatha Skyring: And I'd like, you know, to just encourage your audience Samatha Skyring: and people to experiment.

Samatha Skyring: You know, you've heard this, Samatha Skyring: but now there's really a whole lot more information Samatha Skyring: available to us.

Erin Power: We're in the incredible age of the internet.

Samatha Skyring: You know, here we are talking together Samatha Skyring: eight hours apart on a timeline.

Samatha Skyring: But try it for yourself.

Samatha Skyring: And in fact, we've got beautiful blogs on our website.

Samatha Skyring: Did you know that pregnant women, Samatha Skyring: their blood volume increases 30%.

Samatha Skyring: So again, kind of common logic.

Samatha Skyring: Your blood's got salty in it.

Samatha Skyring: where amniotic fluid is a salty medium.

Samatha Skyring: It's not just pure water.

Samatha Skyring: So the taste buds in pregnant moms diminish Samatha Skyring: because the body's saying, eat more salt.

Erin Power: So often we hear there's really interesting, weird, Erin Power: and wonderful cravings that happen in pregnancy.

Samatha Skyring: And we were in touch with an endurance athlete, Samatha Skyring: and she had given birth, and she was really struggling to breastfeed.

Samatha Skyring: Anyway, so she started putting a whole lot of, Samatha Skyring: She actually was putting an electrolyte into her water.

Samatha Skyring: But this particular electrolyte is actually the main ingredient is Rx desert salt, plus Samatha Skyring: the magnesium and some potassium.

Samatha Skyring: And suddenly her breast milk started flowing.

Samatha Skyring: So, you know, we've got to, each one of us is unique.

Samatha Skyring: We can't say this is how much you need and you need and you need.

Samatha Skyring: How active are you?

Samatha Skyring: You know, what's your weight?

Samatha Skyring: What's your body fat ratio?

Samatha Skyring: Your muscle ratio to your body?

Samatha Skyring: but it's it is logical that salt is essential to our existence and we you know we are these Samatha Skyring: electromagnetic beings and that's why you know I said in my you know my email signature is powered Samatha Skyring: by desert salt and if you start experimenting with salt you'll probably find that your energy levels Samatha Skyring: pick up and there is something that you feel more vital so you ask the questions what do people feel Samatha Skyring: and it is this just sort of renewed vitality Samatha Skyring: because this particular soul Samatha Skyring: just really has this high vibration, Samatha Skyring: this high frequency.

Samatha Skyring: It's almost imprinted by the magic Samatha Skyring: and the beauty and the spaciousness of the desert Samatha Skyring: and untouched by humans,

Erin Power: which is very special.

Erin Power: Oh, I'm so in.

Erin Power: I just want to reflect back a few things Erin Power: that you shared there Erin Power: that I thought were really powerful Erin Power: because I do want this to be, Erin Power: you know, actionable for health coaches that are trying to answer salt questions with their clients.

Erin Power: So first of all, you just shared one of my favorite perspectives, which was if salt was Erin Power: trying to kill us, it wouldn't be in our bodies and the earth wouldn't provide it.

Like it's just, Erin Power: you know, it wouldn't be an essential mineral if it was trying to kill us.

So we have to just use Erin Power: a little bit of logic there.

I always do that with, and I don't know what your perspective on Erin Power: this, but whenever a client suggests that, for example, cholesterol is bad or animal protein is Erin Power: bad.

It's like, well, it's our biologically appropriate diet.

Does it make sense?

And the Erin Power: liver produces cholesterol.

So obviously it's not a toxic compound or the body wouldn't make it, Erin Power: that kind of thing, right?

It's just this nice little logic puzzle to play.

But one thing that Erin Power: you said that I thought was really interesting, this is just a personal perspective.

So you said Erin Power: sometimes when we're hungry, we're actually thirsty.

And so for a long time, I've really Erin Power: pushed back on that because it's like, well, no, I think a hunger signal and a thirst signal are Erin Power: different.

But now it's like, well, a hunger signal is a body's demand for nutrients.

There's Erin Power: nutrients that strenuously leverage appetite.

Protein is one of them.

And I would say salt is Erin Power: another one.

Very, very big appetite leverage point.

So wanting something, I think I want Erin Power: something, I want something.

Well, possibly it's salt.

It's possibly just you haven't had enough Erin Power: salt in your body's asking, like seeking, putting up this little want signal.

Now in the modern food Erin Power: environment, I hear this all the time and you reference this as well.

Oh, I wanted something Erin Power: salty.

So I broke into the bag of chips.

So, well, that's not exactly what the body was looking for.

Erin Power: It just wants, it just needs, not even wanting, needs its certain complement of salt.

Erin Power: And if we're not reaching those levels in our day-to-day life, we're going to be chasing these sort of imperceptible, hard-to-pinpoint cravings.

Erin Power: So it sounds to me like getting your salt intake shored up would diminish sort of weird craving-y sort of appetite cues.

Erin Power: Because our nutrient needs are met, hunger goes away.

Erin Power: That's how the whole hunger satiety signal goes.

Erin Power: I geek out on that stuff a lot.

Erin Power: So I just thought that was a really interesting sort of change, Erin Power: way of thinking of that.

Erin Power: And I find that I'm just not so picky.

Samatha Skyring: Like I'm not, like I don't have that.

Samatha Skyring: And also because we're so busy, you know, Samatha Skyring: so we're not really dropping into our bodies Samatha Skyring: and having this body conversation like, Samatha Skyring: okay, so what is it that you really feel?

Erin Power: It's just like, you know, we kind of, we open the fridge Erin Power: and then we bombarded with all of these different,

Samatha Skyring: you know, usually delicious things.

Samatha Skyring: as opposed to reaching for the water that should be mineralized naturally Samatha Skyring: because it comes from a spring, but by putting just a grind of two.

Samatha Skyring: And in fact, I do have an electrolyte.

Samatha Skyring: There's a brand in South Africa called Revive or Repower Samatha Skyring: that's got Rx Desert Salt in.

Samatha Skyring: And actually, I was just on a workshop this weekend Samatha Skyring: and somebody had a bottle, but she had the raw one, Samatha Skyring: which has got no flavoring in it.

Samatha Skyring: And actually, I never used to drink water.

Samatha Skyring: So I'm so deeply grateful because now I can chug back two liters or if I'm flying, I'll drink four liters of water with, you know, with a full thousand milligrams of salt and magnesium and potassium in it.

Samatha Skyring: And but I had her raw one and there was something.

Samatha Skyring: In fact, I'm actually going to stop the flavored ones because I've actually found they've got a bit too sweet for my palate.

Erin Power: Yeah.

Samatha Skyring: And there was something so nourishing about the salt in the water.

Samatha Skyring: It was full and it was just really delicious.

Samatha Skyring: And again, you know, so I think this is such a, even for me, I'm still learning and I'm learning from other people.

Samatha Skyring: You know, I met somebody at a lunch, like a networking lunch, and he told me that he'd been an insomniac since always.

Samatha Skyring: He'd always been an insomniac.

Samatha Skyring: And then he discovered Oryx and he had heard somewhere that, you know, have it at night time for sleep.

Samatha Skyring: And so he started taking a teaspoon of salt with a little bit of honey last thing at night and first thing in the morning.

Samatha Skyring: And for the first time in his life, he sleeps through the night.

Samatha Skyring: That's his sleep medicine.

Samatha Skyring: So, but sometimes we get lazy, you know, because even sometimes if I'm sleeping badly, yes, I could go to the kitchen.

Samatha Skyring: because again food is medicine you know you've got if we we've got an abscess or you know we've had Samatha Skyring: some mouth work or dental work or something you know often it's like rinse your mouth with salt Samatha Skyring: water or you've got a sore throat you know gargle salt water we have this and actually I've had this Samatha Skyring: experience myself so just planting a seed for the next time somebody's got kind of like a gastro Samatha Skyring: but I'd moved to Cape Town and hadn't sort of built up my friends network and my kitty was young Samatha Skyring: and ended up with this gastro and it was 11 o'clock at night and I'd been you know up chucking for many Samatha Skyring: hours and I was starting to feel very concerned I had this screeching headache I was feeling so Samatha Skyring: drained and depleted didn't have anyone to call it 11 o'clock at night and I suddenly realized oh Samatha Skyring: You've got salt in the kitchen.

Samatha Skyring: And so what I love about this time now, because electrolytes are really getting a lot of airtime, which is amazing.

Samatha Skyring: Because what happened, what, 10 years ago, when you got sick and you were vomiting and you were throwing up, your mom would then go to the pharmacy and buy you an electrolyte, which usually had a lot of sugar in it.

Samatha Skyring: But it was always something you took when you were dehydrated.

Samatha Skyring: Now electrolytes are saying, well, don't dehydrate, just stay hydrated all the time.

Samatha Skyring: And suddenly I was like, oh, well, you've got salt in the kitchen.

Samatha Skyring: So I put quite a big teaspoon into some warm water, threw down a couple of headache tablets.

Samatha Skyring: I never threw up again.

Samatha Skyring: I never dry heaped again.

Samatha Skyring: I kept down the headache tablets and I fell asleep.

Samatha Skyring: So suddenly, like, because obviously it's antifungal, antiviral, antibacterial, so preservatives.

Samatha Skyring: So whatever was, you know, really upsetting my stomach suddenly, you know, got killed off, got rehydrated and fell asleep and woke up the next morning, you know, not fine, but feeling still a bit fragile.

Samatha Skyring: So I think those are some of those ancient wisdom, you know, grandmother hacks.

Erin Power: It's so interesting.

Erin Power: I'm really excited to experiment with salt.

Erin Power: You got me excited to try your salt because it's a pretty low stakes experiment.

Erin Power: It's a natural compound that our body needs.

Erin Power: And what if all these symptoms or experiences the body's queuing up is just a gentle call for something essential that we've always needed?

Erin Power: And then just giving that back to the body, again, brings that balance, that homeostasis that is really our birthright.

Erin Power: I'm obsessed with the idea that something simple like salt, which I mean, simple, but also elegant Erin Power: and complex and spiritual and everything.

But I'm just obsessed with the idea that it could be Erin Power: something very elemental like that, that our bodies has been asking and asking for.

Erin Power: I think that's amazing.

I find that deeply empowering because I think the wellness Erin Power: industry is so overcomplicated, so overblown.

And we're running very ancient, you know, Erin Power: software here what if the solution was something very very ancient and very very simple that's

Samatha Skyring: available yeah that's exactly that you know if the oceans were clean you know your salt could come Samatha Skyring: from your local beach towel you know the rocks so yeah it's it is available to us so there's Samatha Skyring: something that i've you know i don't know why it took me so long but something else that i've been Samatha Skyring: doing have you heard of soleil no okay so soleil is and actually i've got a whole researched article Samatha Skyring: in this but i think it's actually i think it's almost like liquid sunlight because also the salt Samatha Skyring: you know it absorbs the sunlight it crystallizes using the sun so you know it has that in it so Samatha Skyring: what soleil is if you take a glass jar and you fill it with hopefully you know a lovely spring Samatha Skyring: water or a you know a good filtered water and you put a lot of salt in it so I put you know maybe Samatha Skyring: two I use a liter I love reusing so I put a lovely glass jar from my my yogurt and then I use that as Samatha Skyring: just glass jars around the house and and you so you fill it with your salt and then your spring Samatha Skyring: water and so there's always salt in the bottom so it's fully saturated so you can't salt water Samatha Skyring: can't dissolve anymore and in the mornings I have a cup with half a lemon a little bit of apple

Erin Power: vinegar and then a tablespoon of that.

I have heard of this now that you mentioned it.

Yes.

Samatha Skyring: Fully, fully mineralized and fully saturated.

There's some different quality.

And again, Samatha Skyring: I'm not a doctor.

I can't give you.

And I think there's also, yeah, I mean, maybe people like Samatha Skyring: Dr.

Zach Bush can kind of understand how it's like works in the body and something.

But again, Samatha Skyring: please just try it for yourself.

You know, you know, you can go down to Whole Foods and I think Samatha Skyring: $7.99 or $7.49 for a three-point, no, it's bigger than that.

Samatha Skyring: I think it's, sorry, seven ounces or eight ounces of salt.

Samatha Skyring: It's really not a lot of money.

Samatha Skyring: And maybe by experimenting with mineralizing the body Samatha Skyring: and taking in the salt that we know that we are, Samatha Skyring: you know, just go have a good cry or go kiss your kitty's tears.

Samatha Skyring: It's salty.

Samatha Skyring: So, you know, replace that and just start noticing and start feeling what a difference it's making.

Erin Power: I'm going to try it.

Erin Power: I'm very excited.

Erin Power: I'm really excited.

Erin Power: Your product is in Whole Foods on Amazon, you said.

Erin Power: It's just interesting.

Erin Power: It was really nice to hear sort of this soul mission of yours.

Erin Power: I mean, the connection you have to salt is palpable.

Erin Power: It is really, it feels like a calling.

Erin Power: And I appreciate you teaching us so much about salt.

Erin Power: And there's just so much more to learn.

Erin Power: I'm fascinated by this mineral.

Erin Power: I really am, these crystals.

Erin Power: And for please, I really urge for people to try it for themselves and give us feedback

Samatha Skyring: because, you know, everyone is different.

Samatha Skyring: And if you're feeling depleted, try it.

Samatha Skyring: And trust your body, trust your taste buds.

Samatha Skyring: And please let us know because it's fascinating.

Samatha Skyring: Yeah, even, you know, any younger teenagers who are struggling with menstrual cramps, Samatha Skyring: you know, as you're building up to, you know, to having your cycle and your menstruation, Samatha Skyring: you know, you're losing a lot of blood.

Samatha Skyring: So it's only natural that you're going to need to take more salt for your body to create your blood.

Samatha Skyring: So, you know, in fact, there is a friend who started giving her daughter electrolytes.

Samatha Skyring: And suddenly the trouble and the pain subsided drastically from what it had been.

Samatha Skyring: So I really believe that salt is exactly what she said, Erin.

Samatha Skyring: You know, it's the simple but complex mineral that is available.

Samatha Skyring: It's prevalent in the world.

Samatha Skyring: We are made up of, you know, they say we're 70% water, Samatha Skyring: but actually with 70% saline solution.

Samatha Skyring: Or in fact, I did research this the other day.

Samatha Skyring: So I think babies are around 75%, which makes sense.

Samatha Skyring: They're like, you know, they're fully plump and they're fully hydrated.

Samatha Skyring: And as we get older, it drops down to 60%.

Samatha Skyring: And I think, and it would be really interesting to, you know, Samatha Skyring: it would be lovely to do a, you know, full case study on a thousand people, Samatha Skyring: you know, see how much they're drinking salt water.

Samatha Skyring: and how much more they could, you know, we can hold.

Samatha Skyring: I wonder if that makes us old is because we're depleting our hydration,

Erin Power: depleting all of our minerals.

Erin Power: Yeah, I think that's really interesting to consider.

Erin Power: If there's some longevity, resilient aging thing that we're missing here Erin Power: by fearing salt and, you know, harnessing the wisdom of babies, Erin Power: which are full of salt.

Erin Power: And I mean, it makes sense to me Erin Power: that we're meant to preserve our salt equilibrium Erin Power: throughout life.

Erin Power: There's no reason why we would become insufficient over time.

Erin Power: It doesn't make any sense.

Erin Power: Gosh, there's so much to think about.

Erin Power: I'm very excited.

Erin Power: I've just pulled this up on Amazon.

Erin Power: I'm going to order it right now.

Erin Power: And Samantha, I'd love to know, Erin Power: are you active on social media?

Erin Power: Is there a place people can follow you Erin Power: and learn more from you?

Erin Power: Thank you.

Samatha Skyring: I would say my most active platform personally Samatha Skyring: and my journey and growing a business from packing grinders Samatha Skyring: on my dining room table to now being in 20 countries Samatha Skyring: and across Whole Foods.

Samatha Skyring: And, oh, one thing I didn't tell you actually, Samatha Skyring: which is really important, Samantha.

Samatha Skyring: So you can see the mechanism is white.

Samatha Skyring: So that is ceramic, which means that you only buy your grinder once Samatha Skyring: and you just keep refilling it for years.

Samatha Skyring: For your $7.49 or your $6.99, Samatha Skyring: I'm not sure what the price is.

Samatha Skyring: You only buy, and I had a chef message me the other day to say that after eight years, Samatha Skyring: she was throwing her grinders away.

Samatha Skyring: So it saves you a whole lot of money by not throwing grinders.

Samatha Skyring: It's saving the planet.

Samatha Skyring: Last year, we saved 816,900 bottles and heads from ending up in landfill.

Samatha Skyring: And most importantly, you are not grinding plastic into your food.

Samatha Skyring: So this is a very smooth, very easy grinder.

Samatha Skyring: As far as I can tell from my research and when I visit the U.S., Samatha Skyring: I have not found another grinder on shelf that has a ceramic mechanism.

Samatha Skyring: They're all plastic or polycarb.

Samatha Skyring: And so you actually grind that scratchiness, that hard crankiness, Samatha Skyring: is because salt is so hard and abrasive.

Samatha Skyring: It's grinding the teeth away very microscopically.

Samatha Skyring: But at the beginning of your grinder, your salt will be finer crystals.

Samatha Skyring: And at the end, the bottom of your grinder, your crystals will be chunkier because the teeth had been ground into your food and you'd eaten them.

Samatha Skyring: And then you go and throw it away and go buy another one.

Samatha Skyring: So you don't need to do that anymore.

Samatha Skyring: You just need to buy one one of Oryx and just keep refilling it with Oryx.

Erin Power: Amazing.

Erin Power: Wow, you thought of everything.

Erin Power: This is so cool.

Erin Power: All right.

Erin Power: So your main social feed you were saying is?

Erin Power: LinkedIn.

Erin Power: And my name is Samantha Skyring.

Samatha Skyring: So ring, ring in the sky.

Samatha Skyring: Skyring is LinkedIn, but otherwise RxDesertSalt on Instagram.

Samatha Skyring: Yeah, I would say those are.

Samatha Skyring: Oh, there's also something really beautiful actually on our website.

Samatha Skyring: If you go sign up to our newsletter, we do have a Shopify site, Samatha Skyring: but I think maybe a few people, if you live in the same community, Samatha Skyring: you can bundle an order together because I think the courier charge Samatha Skyring: to Canada is a little bit pricey, but there is a discount there as well.

Samatha Skyring: But there's a beautiful PDF that we've put together called the Salt Essentials Guide.

Samatha Skyring: And it's everything you didn't know you need to know about salt.

Samatha Skyring: And there's the sacredness of salt and there's the mythology and the history.

Samatha Skyring: And then it talks about salt and brain function and kidneys and beautiful information on the website if you want to dive down a little bit deeper.

Erin Power: I'm absolutely downloading that.

Erin Power: I'm going to share with my clients.

Erin Power: OryxDesertSalt.com.

Erin Power: Thank you.

Erin Power: That would be amazing.

Erin Power: Amazing.

Erin Power: Oh, wow, Samantha, I really appreciate this conversation.

It was so interesting.

Incredibly

Samatha Skyring: fun.

I'm excited to try your salt.

Really excited.

Thanks for coming on.

You too.

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