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Yeah, uh, you know, we just we just did your part, you know what I mean, shout to y'all having us on.

But we left off talking about how Jeff said defense.

No, he said, you don't play What did you say?

He said something like after a while, they just started giving it to I mat, don't do that.

I'm saying, voter, Yeah it's voter, yeah for sure.

But I was saying Kobe could play defense when he won't.

But see, I only saw a clip, so I might have missed the context.

Yeah, I was like, I mean, but defense though, play defense?

But he made it eleven times twelve twelve twelve.

He was first team, I think.

And I was like, when you think of Kobe Bryant, you don't think him as the best two way player ever.

But literally, his stats say he's the best two way player ever, is bro And I'm like, you don't think that, Like you don't think he a better defender than Scottie Pippen, but the stats say, you know, Award said you're a better definished.

But also think maybe because the scoring overshadowed with the kind of work he was putting on defense, you know what I mean?

And I would agree.

I mean, obviously, I think younger in his career, as he was trying to get started, he was more locking in on D because he had to be you know what I mean.

And I think as the team kind of became his and he grew, he was still locking on D.

But he went and got people like run our tests.

He went and got people like me, Like we used to really fight because me and Ron would take the best players.

If the nigga scored two three buckets, sash, I got him.

I got him, so we'd have to argue with Bro like, now we got it.

Bro, you save all that MG for office and will handle this.

But he was definitely a competitor, uh, someone that just to see again playing against him for a long time and then playing on the same team as I mean, you just got to see a whole other side of just his dedication and just how sick he was of trying to be the greatest thing.

He used to NB I gotta get six.

It's like I got to be able to sit at that table with MJ.

Like he was so dead set on being able to get that one more ring so he could be in that table in that conversation with MJ.

But he was a sicko when it came to just getting to it daily period.

No, I mean he said you couldn't play defense.

Ya.

I wouldn't say that.

I just say that that had or the best two way player ever, it just didn't come to my for me.

For Kobe Brown was like the best score one of the best.

I mean I would put him in MJ is the probably the best two way players.

Yeah, said that?

Or who else would you throw in there?

I mean, obviously Scotty was great, but Scotty didn't have the offense that those guys have.

Scotty had great d but he you know, obviously he could play offense too, but it wasn't just the numbers that those two had put up.

Yeah, I mean I would say Michael Jordan because but now that they're doing his stats and stuff.

His Stills was kind of fake or whatever I learn from stop.

You'll start killing me and his ship boy that COVID shot.

The said, well, actually half that ship fake.

I said, it's no way he got that many more assistancy, bro, that's crazy.

And Stills too, right, Yeah, John Stockton was crazy.

There should be a little bit of home cooking Kawhi Leonard is up there too though, two way players.

I just think you don't get enough get to see enough of him, Like Anthony Davis, you don't get to see enough of these guys on consistent level.

We know, when they're out there and healthy, they're incredible.

They can change games.

Kauhi as one finals MVPs.

But just yet the consistency of being able to be out there, not in night out when you don't feel it or you're hurt or whatever the situation be they've got, you know, whether it's too many miles or just injuries that won't allow them to get through them.

It kind of takes to me, It kind of takes them out of those conversations because you just don't get to see enough of them.

We decided last week on the Morning Show that Kuh Leonard is the best NBA player of all time.

He's had the best NBA career of all time.

Because what my boy got going on right now, legendary.

Water, the hustle is cold, they got a plant company paying them twenty.

Eight no trees in sight, Uncle Hill on the way, they take a while the balls and Buddy hat Hi bro.

When I asked my team the other day.

They're like, man, that's great journalism because it is life.

Don't be safe like they're trying to blow the top off of ship.

He said the pay type in right, is that nation though it is?

Or is the journalist just being a great journalist doing his job to Kawhi Leonard.

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They got whoot.

Yeah, that's who got all the tea though, using that community got all the tea.

So he said that trouble was coming through the clock.

And what you heard that?

Man?

Man, you had a crazy career.

Man, what's one of your favorite teams that you played for?

Oh?

Man, I got to I think the California I'm a Californian dude.

Man grew up in California with u c l A And been in California pretty much my whole life.

So being able to you know, go to u c l A, play for the Lakers, play for the Clippers.

That was dope.

And then you know when I was with the Clippers, we were better than the Lakers.

You know, that was that Lob City team, the e CP Jamal Crawford, Blake, DeAndre JJ we had a team.

And then get a chance to play with Cobe and and Powell and buying them and that.

Crul and then the Golden State.

You know, we had a crazy we believe run in two thousand and six, seven eight, and then to go back the other year before I retired and get a chance to play with Steph Clay and KD and Dre.

You know, the interesting thing about that team was as great as they were, is how they took our ship to the next level and you know, put four rings on it.

They were so fascinated about the way that team got down.

What was so and so like, what was it like when you all went out, like the media, the fans, the players, It was just like a fascination about that team that almost became urban legend because if you think about it, all we fucking did was won the.

First round the second round.

But that's crazy, have it?

You know?

You know that just kind of the mystique in the ore have grown from it.

But you know, I'd probably say those three teams probably my three favorite.

Now we believe it was so culture.

Yeah, it was.

That was just culture.

Like that means a lots of the b d Doug Ak forty seven, Come on, bro.

Like that's history.

For us.

That was a bunch of you know, kind of misfits, so to speak, you know what I mean.

I was trying to make the league at the time.

You know, Jack had gotten some shootouts and some trouble in Indie and he got shipped to our team.

Baron was talented but injured.

Jay Rich was there but hadn't really had no help, you know.

The way we were able to kind of just come together us a young Monte Ellis fresh out of high school, bullet mean, and for us to kind of just bring it all together in the last and you know, Jeff, I mean, the season really could started after All Stars.

So for us to put all that together after All Star and win sixteen out of twenty two games to make the playoffs, it was.

It was a crazy run.

How did you lock in on defense like that?

When did did you come to the league all that time?

I kind of learned because you know, I was a guard in high school.

Then when I went to UCLA, we had back to bath the number one recruiting classes and super loaded with all McDonald's, all Americans and five stars.

So to get on the court, I had to go down and play the power forward and this is like when power forwards are really power forward, So I had.

To kind of move around down there.

And then when I got to the league, I had to move back to guards because that's two thousand and two, so that's when you're really in your position.

One, two and three and.

Four were all very different, right, I mean you threw the ball on the post before you shot.

At three, you've got the rebound and throw it to the point guard, so you of course to break the game, which is different.

So it just kind of took me a minute to kind of readjust and find that.

But I just knew I was a football player of hard so just defensive and physicality with something that I love.

But I you know, as I kind of started hanging my hat on it.

I mean, I just felt like I had the greatest job in the world.

Every single night, I got to guard the best player on the other team.

So that's mellow one night, Kobe kd Ron, Dwayne Waye, Paul Pierce, t Mac you know, you know, used to every single night I was guarding that person.

So that's you know, obviously, yeah, you want to score twenty or thirty, but I really kind of took that challenge of I know, these guys are great scores, but you know, I'm gonna make him earn everything.

So that was just the mentality I went out.

I feel like great defenders got the easiest job from a standpoint, because if you get killed, it's a person you get killed, the best player in the league.

But if you stop them, you look amazing.

Praise.

Yeah, And that was the thing.

I mean, you know, Jeff you is someone that could play offense.

I mean it's really when you get to a certain level, defense makes a difference.

But motherfucker is so good, gonna make shot at the end of the day.

That's all you can do.

That's why I used to be like, I don't care about going my matchup.

Put me, put me on Kyrie.

He's gonna get thirty on everybody.

But if I make him get twenty one, job, made him work, that's his journey.

I never play, so I can't speak on that.

TJ McConnell, no, disrespected teachers, but he get me thirty?

You look crazy?

Do s Yeah?

What work?

Is it true?

If you're doing brod Bro?

We got Tate Louise, he probably had like twelve the game serious, I didn't.

That was my play game.

When Clay got sixty, that was on bro was it?

Yeah?

I did not guard him one possession about defense, Bro, I didn't guard him that.

I didn't help.

I didn't do anything.

It's like how there's no help rules on Steff right, you know, or or Clay?

But what was it like seeing that and being in the whether it was on you or not, Like, what was it like to just see motherfucker that unconscious?

Bro?

We could I couldn't believe it because like we were only down like fourteen, so we're like when we in the game and coaches like somebody put a fucking hand up, like we are It was like, yeah he got forty two, were like, what the fuck?

It's a second quarter?

Like what PG was like, I got him.

He's like, I don't give fuck got him sixty.

I was just on there laughing.

After a while, I just start looking for my stats, so I need fifteen to eight.

I was like, Nate, I'm good, take me out, now, get me out now.

Any crazy games you remember playing with them?

Now, more against them, because you know that Lob City team.

Not that we were big bros, because we never really want anything, but we're kind of the team in the Western Conference.

It was kind of open, like we were the last team to beat them in the playoff series.

The year that Sterling got banned from the NBA yea ESPEC they went on their run.

So just kind of see what they were on.

The one thing I'll say is like obviously playing against them, them playing with them, Like Draymond was the heart and soul of that team.

And I remember, before Steph was even established, when CP was the man.

He's like, man, fuck that, Like I'm riding with Steph every day.

Steph's the best point guard.

And this is before Steph eventually became the best point guard.

But I just think his confidence that he had and his toughness allowed those two guys to kind of play a lot freer and they were tough, Bro, they were just when they'd get on a burner and then you throw KD in that mix.

I mean, that was probably the biggest cheat code.

And and you know, people still talk as that one of the greatest teams were, if not the greatest team, you know ever simple.

I feel like that's probably the greatest team of our generation.

I don't see to me a team you're doing.

I don't think no.

I don't think no team in history can beat them with that set of rules.

If you change the rules and you're going back to the nineties with you know, or the eighties with the Lakers and the hand check and the pace of the game, or Mike's time where you can really play lockdown defense, but with the pace and the inability to really, yeah, put your hands on somebody.

They got too much scoring, too much.

I think they can be the one Lakers.

Come on, man, thirty, it's gonna put sack and and foull him out.

Got you right, No one could guard him on the block.

Bro, Stephan is gonna put that pick, gonna be in that drought coverage eleven thirties murder.

They got a glory out there.

Freaky Fox ain't.

The fox.

Take that day, have a long day.

I respect them.

They getting torched, Bro, he's tortured, Bro, I respect him.

Think that the pace, the play, that time, the face this up and down and you can blink and they go on eleven nothing run in thirty seconds.

So it was just they were different.

I've never seen demoralized in basketball like that, Like we've seen m J kill, we've seen bron kill.

But they, like you said, them runs they will have.

And just the entire games over there, especially at Oracle the crowd yelling you out of the game in two minutes.

That's the one thing I remember about Oracle Back and we play.

She smell like a dope sack.

She smell like a traphouse.

That ship that smokes so much sweed in there while we were playing, Bro.

It was crazy.

Even my dad one time while we.

Were playing, you can see the smoke cloud.

You can smell it, but you can see the smoke cloud at the top of the arena because my dad smoked cigarettes.

Was like that what you do at halftime.

I was going out of the smoke cigarets.

They're gonna started smoking weed.

So I just pulled my joint out and started smoking weed with him.

I slid damn there.

It was cracking and.

It's got to be the only place in the spot in the city.

For really.

We smoked at our coach's house one time after we won that playoff serious with We told a story about this too.

We won.

We beat Dallas in game six.

Stack and Nelly used to live in the same condo on the lake and Stack was like the middle and Nelly had the whole penhouse.

So we went to Jack's house to smoke first, and we went up to Nelly's house to say hi before we was about to hit the streets.

As soon as he walk.

In there, Hey, fellas, Woody Heralds is in the back rolling doobies, go smoke with them.

Were like, what the fuck talking about?

We went the back and smoke.

We Woody Herrelson at our coach's house and then we hit the streets.

That's a post games right after the game.

That was right after the game.

Yeah, before we hit the real game.

Definitely.

I heard say he didn't even care what happened next.

No, he checked out, bro checked out.

He wanted to beat Dallas so bad.

We were.

We were so ready for Dallas.

It was crazy, but now motherfucker kicked his feet up after we beat Dallas.

That was it.

Yeah, b d was dynamic to bro the crazy part.

He had a bad back and the bad and he was still average thirty.

I say, if Baron Davis body doesn't give out on him, he's probably easily one of the top five point girls of all time because strength, speed, athleticism, shot making, defense, he'd have a hold of his offensive game.

He was locked down on defense.

He was big and strong.

It's one of one of them.

You know, before Westbrook and before Derreck Rose, it was Baron dunking on everybody.

You know what I means.

But his body just gave out.

But still, even on on one leg and in a bad back, he was still giving people the fits.

So you don't even got no excuse talking about your knees.

He's talking about.

Cook.

Ain't nothing in there bone?

I played twelve.

Yeah, ain't nothing in there that's gone?

Did you heard it?

Just beat up?

I saw him when I my last yom Milwaukee.

I was gonna keep playing and I was playing this dude, Jordan or Jordan or I think I can't remember.

I was funny one on one and I heard a pop.

I'm like, I think I heard my knee.

Bro.

He was like, what you ain't doing nothing?

Like, yeah, I think I hurt my knee.

We went and play the placers.

I played on it and then I couldn't do nothing.

The next day, I'm like, man, they took me to get an MRI and they was like, yeah, you need microfracture surgery.

I was like, nigga, what I don'tbody do that no more.

It was like, basically it's over.

I was like it's over.

It's like, yeah, it's over.

Damn.

It was like you can you know, you can rehab and get an I'm cool.

I heard it was cold in football, bro, What made you transition?

I grew up playing football.

Yeah, I was all American leather, the nation touchdowns from the receiving position.

Yeah.

I just at the time, this is before the Jimmy Grahams and and Antonio Gates and everyone was really crossing over.

And I was six eight, so I didn't really see No.

Six the dudes to see how they was getting hit across the middle of what they would do after.

So I was recruited by you know, just as many schools to play football or play both.

But just when I went to UCLA, I decided to lock in.

I had to work for basketball.

Basketball was It wasn't like football was my natural sport.

Basketball was something I had to work.

So, you know, I just had to start ryan and then find my way.

How you do that?

Though, Like being one of the best players in the country and football and just like now I'm cool.

Just longevity.

Like I said, I didn't see, I felt and I don't ever like to disrespect no sport because to be able to make it to the top is you got to be.

But you know, I was six eight, you know, thirty nine inch vert ran a four three, seven and seven.

Jesus Christ was the best, could really run out, you know what I mean.

So it was and that's why, you know, I just called myself a basketball or football player playing basketball once I'm at the NBA, Like I love physicality.

I get out in the lane and finish, you know, like I'm running the route.

So it was just really just transitioning that football mindset to a you know, a basketball skill set and ship making it work for fourteen years.

That's crazy, bro.

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Them stats right there is gonna get you drafted.

Just go to the combo.

You're getting drafted.

Just yeah, I mean, And after I left, you know, and it was in the league.

That's when dudes were they never played no football at all, were hopping from you know, Antonio Gates did play no football, hop from you know, the state tournament to the NFL, and other guys kind of follow suit.

But it just wasn't really happening when I came out.

Oh now I understand.

Now, this motherfucker foul so hard.

He was bro his foul he found.

I just you know, I can't you know, Yeah, I grew up.

I was born in nineteen eighty, so when I watched basketball, Bro, I was bad.

Like that's when niggas was punching each other and just getting a foul for it.

You know what I mean.

So you know, when you go to shoot, a floater might try to likewipe from behind, like.

When he swiped you could.

Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to take it off, take off.

But you know we came from where.

You know, you know, if they're gonnaoul him, don't let them get their arms up.

You know what I mean.

And then again having a guard cold with all them pump fakes.

Once I tried the pump face, I'll just you go get that at the line, Bro, you just you had to find a way to survive, you know what I mean.

You had to find a way to survive and make your niche.

And you know, once I was able to do that, you know, the career kind of came along with it.

Was that the hardest personal for you to guard in the league.

Yeah, I missed him.

I missed m J by year.

So I kind of feel like Kobe's skill set was you know, obviously, you know, you look at Bron's greatness and all time leading scorer and top five and assists and and Kadi's effortless scoring and Tea Max scoring and Paul Pierce are scoring.

But code was different from.

A attacking Nothing was preconceived.

He would look at you and how you're lined up or how you're swiping at the ball and attack any weakness he saw.

So it was just it was, it was always it was more of a mental game than anything with him because he was going to try to destroy you mentally and out thank you the entire game instead of depending on anything else.

Yeah, who's the name that you know?

People don't mention.

That's a tough cover you came across.

I think two guys that I think were good players had the skill sets to be great playing.

I don't say that.

I'd say this with all due respect, no disrespect intended, But Rudy Gay has so much motherfucking game, and then Jeff Green has so much game, both of them, dudes on both sides of the bar.

Maybe this is just nice guys, maybe you know, just nice guys off the rip that if they had a different mentality.

I felt like they could have been.

But god, I mean I didn't really I didn't really get a chance to see like a I was always guarding the number one.

Really a chance for someone off the bench to come and cook or you know, obviously played with it against Jamal Crawford and how great he was.

But I was always guarding B one.

So it wasn't really worried about nobody else because I have my hands well with the one.

Man.

You mentioned some killers right there, for sure, I want to ask you this question.

Obviously you know what I'm saying, Chris, all the smoke, all the smoke productions, how does that come about?

Oh?

Man, We was smoking at my house today, me and bullshit, Me and Jack was smoking in my crib in Berkeley, and we were both I just finished maybe a year out and Jack had finished two years before, and we were doing ESPN in box and enjoying good, good feedback, just like I kind of felt at ESPN.

It's Disney, and I've always been an habitual line stepper.

I've never really fallen in in line with the Disney protocol.

So I was just thinking, although ESPN was great and I had a great time, there wasn't really who I was.

So I was just like, let's do a podcast.

He's like, what's a podcast?

Like, I don't know, but I know we could drink of smoke.

He's like I'm in.

And then from there, hey, I speak on a DeMarcus Cousins documentary and the producers like, hey, I heard you want to do a podcast.

Like how you hear that?

So I heard.

He's like, I want to meet you.

I want you to meet my friend Brian Daily at Showtime.

He's launching Showtime Digital.

It's a basketball platform.

I'm like, I don't know what that is, but cool.

He flew out from New York.

We sat down at the hotel in Santa Monica.

I pitched him the idea.

Initially, they didn't want Jack, they just wanted me, and I'm just like, no, I can't.

If it's not us, it's not nothing.

So he kind of went back and forth with that for a little bit.

They said, fine, we launched this shit.

We didn't really know what it was because again, I probably think Knuckleheads was maybe four to six months before we came out, no one really knew what this space was.

There was no bar, there was no there was no scattering report on what was going on.

So we just came out and you know, the first season we got sports podcasts of the year, We knocked out all the cal and cow herds and all the old or white dudes that had kind of been dominating the space, and then from there we were off and running.

So we're there.

I think we're at show Time about three and a half four years, and we started hearing whispers about Paramount was going to come and buy Showtime and they didn't know, if you know, if the sports side was going to last, which was crazy to me because as big as we were at the time and then boxing Showtime Boxing.

Was as big as it's been years.

Yeah, So when we started hearing that, you know, although people started panicking, I'm like, what you know, I was someone too, obviously with being the talent and helping create, Like I was also the one in our first couple of years negotiating our deals, so I got to see behind them, behind.

The curtain and learn the game.

So you know, when it was time to make it, decisions like let's start our own shit, I launched the company.

Told Brian Daley at the time he was figuring out what was going on, I was like you know, once everything clears, you took a chance on us, We owe a lot to you.

We got a position for you me stacking in our homewood Julyanni and we launched this thing and we went live as a company the beginning of last year and signed a big deal with DraftKings and a little bit over a year and a half now we're vertical in basketball boxing MMA.

We're just launching NFL.

We're in talks with MLB to be doing some stuff with them.

We're doing a political side.

So it's just it kind of caught fire.

We're doing docs and scripted series.

So it went from a show to an entire company, like thirty five employees and our own building now and it got real, you know what I mean.

We were able to flip, you know, flip a show into an entire company.

So it's been it's been a blessing.

Bro.

I want to say congratulations and all that, by the way, because people don't know how hard that is to run the podcast.

By y'all have turned that to a juggernaut of a business, especially coming to all different sports.

That's a really hard task.

So salute to y'all.

Person foremost, I appreciate it, and it was dope too.

I mean, obviously we're here to support and watch the fight, but it was beautiful to see like we're here.

As all the smoke fight.

You know.

Yeah, I got Andre Royd and Roy Jones out there, and then you know, Ick and Barack we got our fighting and in Morning Combat, so we got our fighting side, and then me and Jack were kind of just in here, you know, just to show face and talk a little bit of shit, but really this is us supporting the boxing side of our company.

And it's crazy, you know what I mean to think like a podcast or two dudes smoking weed talking shit turned into like a you know, this will be a couple hundred million dollar company in the next few years.

Man, a couple of hundred million, Ain't that?

Just always see yourself in some type of media.

Now, bro, to be honest with you, like my first job when I retired because I invested well, so you know, when I when we won the championship with the Warriors, I still had two years left on my deal.

So when I was decided to retire, getting myself a two year window to kind of chill out and figure out what was next, and media was never on the play.

My first no bullshit, My first real thing I was adamant was about was being the shield for current players smoking weed.

So I was flying back and forth meeting with the PA and meeting with the league about understanding this plan, studying this plant.

You guys are pumping the full of these pills that are masking one thing and call it causing long term effects, and you're killing people's career because we smoked, Like you guys got to really start taking a look at that.

So you know, we pushed that line for a couple of years and you know, come come bubble time, they stopped testing and then ship they haven't tested since.

So that was kind of like my first mission as a former player myself and shout out to out Hearington.

My dog over at Viola.

Yeah, we were really.

Just trying to push the line and waking the NBA up.

So I like to think that we had a small part to do with that.

And then you know, a friend of mine just that you know, you were so well spoken in your interviews, you should start doing media.

But you got to think, like my career caught the tail end or the beginning of social media, like with people really speaking up and kind of doing their own thing.

Like we didn't have an O two, you know, with what the media said was it.

So you know, my generation, we didn't really fuck with the media.

You know, there was obviously some people respecting you were cool with, but there's a lot of people with hitting agendas and motives and with twist shit, so it was almost like talking to the cops.

So I didn't really fuck with the media, but my friends, just like if you don't like it, helped change it.

Yeah, I can't change this ship.

And there was obviously are already athletes in the space.

But I think when we were able to come in, show our face on the networks, but then cross over and go to this digital side and just start talking real shit, I didn't realize that we were inspiring everyone else to be like damn, because we were you know, we were both I mean, obviously Jackie put the ball in the basket better than me, but we were role player journeyman, you know what I mean.

So I feel like if we could do it, that would inspire anyone else to be able to do it.

And I didn't think that it would have the following and the appreciation and then just the almost the crowdedness of this space now.

So yeah, you know, we put our head down and went.

To work in a small amount of time.

You say, it's almost an initial situation.

Now then we're become a standard that people didn't have to try.

They feel like they have to tap into.

What's the new way people get their media?

Yeah, I mean I was talking to you know, Big Boy.

I don't know if you guys aren't from a big boy Big Boy to do radio due I did his show the other day and he was just talking about how, you know, these companies used to pour into radio and this is how they got there.

But he's just like, the money's not there, no more, the money's here.

You know, we're alltho, we're former athletes or whatever, like we're influencers for these brands and they're ready to give you know, whatever they feel you can bring back to them, you know what I mean.

So it's just it's a crazy open space and I don't look at nobody in whether it's basketball or sports in general.

I don't look at no one's competition because I feel like we all have our different journeys and experiences and in ways to tell them stories that that that we've been through.

That to me, it's just to me, it's more.

I'm a fan now, So I much rather hear Jeff and y'all speak than I don't give a fuck how good you are at your job if you've never done it, Like, there's some stuff you're gonna miss and not understand.

So I'd rather hear it as a fan.

I want to hear from someone who did it.

And I think that, you know, we're fortunate enough to inspire a lot of people to be like, Hey, let's let's go really talk our shit and tell our stories and have fun.

And once you get good at this, there's real money in this space, like real money in this space.

So I was just like, man, you're gonna pay me basketball money, the smoke weed and talk shit on TV.

Fuck, And that's why some people As a journalist with a heavy journalist and background, that's cool.

I could watch basketball my entire life, love it.

But there's nothing I could I'll speak because y'all been in those situations.

I've been in those words.

I've been in them churches.

That's experience that you can't speak on and it means a lot.

Yeah, there's I mean, there's some fools that play that can't that don't know shit.

Still that's a fact too.

But for the most part, there are guys that stand out for you know, being the articulate our thoughts, our feelings and what we've been through.

You know what I mean.

And you know you can call those guys out.

And the one thing I just don't like those I'm just not a big fan of guys who played that talked the ship like they never played.

Like, Bro, you know how tough it is to go through what these dudes are going through or what they did or what's going on, and you act like you've never been in that locker room and you but the fucked up part is they're getting rewarded for it.

You talk that reckless, crazy, disrespectful clickbait shit and next thing you know, you got you're on more shows and you're getting more money.

And I'm just like, y'all are falling for the bait.

That was my one thing when I was with these networks is I would I would never say anything I wouldn't say to somebody's face.

You know, they would oh, this is this is the take.

I was like, that's not my take.

Like I'm not gonna say that, like this is why I'll break, this is how I'm gonna say it.

But they always kind of wanted because you know, unfortunately like drama cells, disrespect cells, you know what I mean, And it's it's the more clicks.

But to me, I'd rather get the clicks from just giving you some real shit or having an authentic conversation and trying to trick you into saying some dumb shit that's gonna go viral.

I agree.

I mean I don't really know if no athletes doing that.

Yeah, no more than me, but I feel like a lot of people, but what I'm saying just in general, even outside of the athletes, people do for that quick click.

Well because it's hard not to.

But to me that I don't think there's a ton of longevity in that because when it comes to a time where you can't really just speak on the dumb shit, you have to like speak to what you know, what are you gonna do that?

You know, me and Mack can relate.

Man, he got a jeft T championship.

What's that?

We were just on the team.

Yeah, absolutely, No.

I told I told my story, Like my whole thing was too, so that that year was crazy.

So I was in Sack to start that year and just thought, that's my hometown.

I thought I was gonna you know, I got a three year deal, they's got a new arena, maybe helped get this team to the playoffs.

I've a long time like he was like the fuck out that being.

And then the funny part was that whole season, Bro, I was like the boogiey whisper, like anything about the Marcus cousin, from the owner to management to the coaches, go tell to Marcus this fuck y'all y'all don't want to tell him.

I'm scared, like you know, but they was really tiptoeing around Bro, and you know that was that's my that's my little big homie.

And uh so I would kind of relay messages and as we're getting towards I want to say, like heading towards the All Star Bravery maybe two three games out of the A spot, thinking like, okay, let's make a cool run and maybe make the playoffs.

They trade this nigga while he's on the podium at All Star.

I remember that in New Orleans post game, and they were telling the whole time, no.

You're good, You're not going to work.

Make sure the Marcus knows he's he's he's a king for life.

And I'm you know, I'm in the snow smoking one watching ship.

Next thing I know, de Marcus Cousins traded.

I was like, what the fuck?

So, you know, I called management and yeah, you know we're gonna start over.

I'm like, this has been a been a start over franchise.

What we're talking about.

I was, so, you know, I just like, I'm too old to start over.

You know, I'm thirty six at the time.

It's like, what do you want to do.

I was like, I want to go to a good team.

So, you know, we worked my situation out, and you know they wouldn't right.

At the same time, Unforced KD went down with the hyper extended knee and I went from Sack to Golden State and I was playing the playing good like my first game.

You know, played twenty twenty five minutes for that team.

So I was consistently in the rotation.

The game KD comes to.

Kd's out for like two months.

The game KD comes back.

The first game back, bro, I want to say I start off good to hit my first two threes and come down on someone's foot in It's the worst brand ink on my career, like swollen, even has my legs swollen.

I'm like, what the fuck.

So by the time I'm feeling any we're maybe about a week or two hour from the playoffs to fund.

By the time I'm feeling halfway decent, We're already in the Western Conference finals and having lost the game.

So I'm just like, as a vet, I know how tight playoff rotation is getting you go with what's working.

So they're not going to bring someone like me who's been hurt for this long and fuck up the flow of the game.

So I just kind of it was hard for me because I felt like I fought my whole career to be in that position, and before I was hurt, I was contributing to that team.

But once the playoff came and I hurt, you know, I just kind of turned into a fan and you know helped, you know, helped Draymond through some tough times, you know, helped Clay through some tough times.

It was just kind of just a super vet for those guys.

But yeah, like I didn't even so they had a special I missed the ring ceremony the fall in you.

So they had a special ring ceremony for me.

But I got the ring.

I got my son's rings, and then I put the ring in a in a room at the arena so I could watch the game.

And then we bounced early and I forgot about the ring and I just wasn't really to the same, like I don't count that, you know, I didn't count that shit, you know what I mean?

So next with your rings here, I was like, okay, I'll be And I wasn't even really living in the city at the time.

I was in La Alas.

I'll find out a way if I want to say.

They had that motherfucker for like two and a half years.

And then one day they they surprised me on NBA today on ESPN and and brought like someone drove the ring from the bay to la and gave it to me.

If not that motherfucker probably still be in that room.

I at at Oracle Arena.

I took mine.

Where you got that motherfucker?

Now it's just sitting in the house.

That's I didn't go to the ceremony.

Yeah, just sitting in the house.

He drove somebody drove up from Milwaukee to Indiana.

Yeah, I just felt like I had man, I had to I was course, I had to watch one of the greatest teams, and you know, the battles with Cleveland and seeing them boys first hand.

It was just I was I was great seats and I had in that I have to pay for him.

That's how I feel.

I ain't gonna allowed to talking ship.

We cooked Brooklyn over there.

Yeah it's over I got too much.

Boy, ain't gonna do nothing with them.

They like, if you don't take your heads.

Home, it's over with.

In Milwaukee.

Yeah, they couldn't wait for my ass to get out of there.

We want to tip shock like I did some ship.

All this hardwork.

Was like that.

What how good was some Clippers teams?

Man want to talk to you about I think that we were all own worst enemies.

Bro.

We were fifty five plus winscific Division champs, facts again beating the Warriors before they really kind of found their rhythm as a young team.

Our superstars is but it heads, you know, and Blake and CP had the best chemistry in the world at times and then didn't see eye to eye at times, and then at the same time it's the emergency of DeAndre Jordan where he's starting to become a you know, yeah, fringe All Star player, defensive Player of the Year, Olympic player, so he's kind of growing into his own and it was just I felt like there was too many cooks in the kitchen.

And then Doc was supposed to be the guy that was supposed to save everything, and then he brought his son over, and it was just some weird energy there, you know, where a lot of he paid his son.

I'm not even mad if I was in a position I paid the fuck out of my son too, But understand at the time what that did to people.

I mean, he was making more than me.

Jamal JJ, like guys that were putting in real minutes, you know and playing in crunch time, and it kind of, without knowing, kind of had people looking at him.

Funny.

It wasn't even his fault.

You know, obviously ship out.

If someone's gonna give me thirty five min I'm gonna take that motherfucker, especially.

With my dad.

So but it just did Doc coming over, you know, Doc want to say, Doc was the first coach of ever traded for like we Clippers traded for Doc.

And great motivation guy, great to make you believe you.

Know, blue waters Purple like great speaker, but just there was something missing there with him and in our in game adjustments.

And then when the sun came the energy with that, like, guys weren't really off that.

So there's just too much bullshit, mental bullshit that we couldn't get over the hurdle.

But when we were clicking and playing, there wasn't a better team in the NBA than us for the hell super deep.

I mean, you got think we have you know, our CP JJ ME or Kron Butler at the three, Blake and DJ.

Then we had Lamar Odom, we had Eric bledsoe b Man had you had a lot of shit, Ronnie Urry off, Spencer Hall's coming off of Fresh pay Day, he had game stretched the floor like we just had a lot of big Baby Davis.

We had a lot of hell in the same locker room.

Oh yeah, I have some sugaring.

I was supposed to wine.

That one of the coolest dudes I have to god ever invented.

Lamar is so cool.

Bro.

He was always just the one that was just so with the flow.

Every city where there's a Limo downstairs going to the club, whoever wanted to get in happy and yeah, just that dude.

Lamar was so cool, bro, so talented, a great super talent his size and skill set.

I played with l O with the Lakers and with the Clippers.

He was a really good dude.

Man.

I'm glad that he's kind of getting back on the feed and finding his way because he was a great dude.

Yeah, we gotta get the Foster episode just for.

He was talking about grills.

Yeah, that's number one.

I got a lot to talk about.

Was your favorite player though, Llo was?

It was cold bro was before his time.

Yeah, Bro, I want to ask you how you feel about this Clipper scene they got going into this year.

You know what I'm saying.

It's tough to say, man, because the West is so young.

I felt like last season we saw kind of a passing of the torch, you know, and and guys that I played with, you know, the Steps and the Kds and the Brons, like it's it's coming to the end of their run.

And these new young boys are hungry and skilled and can run all day in athletics.

So I mean, I just think the Clippers, you know, Tyler is one of the best minds in the game.

That's why his availability is always a question.

You know, if he's out there and playing, they got a chance.

But you also got to think, okay, see he's still young.

And then boys just got paid.

And I think Houston had a big off season being able to get a consistent score in KD never did well in gathering folks up Dallas if healthy is going to be a motherfucking problem, and they at the number one pick in Cooper Flags.

I just think the West is really deep.

I think the winner will come out.

I don't know who's going to be.

I think the East is going to be a little bit down this year.

Obviously would take them out and you know, some other injuries.

I don't really believe in the East as much.

But I don't know.

Who.

Look back wet, Yeah, we bet.

I didn't expect to hear that be talk to me back to playing.

Probably Church trade to me is one of the probably the top two most underrated players in the game of twenty five twenty five and he's a double double with twenty five and ten.

Guy, he gets to respect that he deserves.

He's playing for a max.

Some young boys.

It's on a one year deal.

So you know you're trying to get paid again from Boston.

Yeah, okay, you gotta stay healthy though.

I mean, he gone contract.

You're gonna he's gonna play sixty plus games this year.

Contract?

Yes, what man?

No contract?

You're everybody healthy.

Everyone everyone gets through them pains that will keep you out if you're not on the contract.

Jalen Johnson, he's gonna be talent young Zachmen playing well in euro Basket.

Yeah.

So I think we got a right future, man.

I think it's our time.

One of the best developmental teams in the league.

Y'all trying to do what though, we're gonna make it to the chip.

We're gonna win to East.

No, if they make it to the finals tournament Hawks.

I was about to say, you to talk about the turn minutes in Vegas and no, No, they'll.

Be back here in season.

Make when they go to the finals.

Yoall we're gonna say, of course I am in that one section.

I told you.

Then Dominique Jersey is still wet.

Fs.

He popped up next next thing, you know, his nose started bleeding down.

The saying somewhere God, bro.

He said, Damn, you didn't you got bad love with him?

What we all talk he talked about, this is sweet.

There looking down.

My promise, bro, and nobody look super little BROI left and half that's that Jeff t know what's so crazy?

I love telling the story.

I said, Bro, they hate you.

They put him on the.

Jeff tis in the building.

Both was like, damn, I know you sitting this close to me, all these people, these two dollars seats.

Yeah, I even know that read.

Chicken wings, beer, had everything.

I'm just saying, man, when you go to the games on you still do?

Man, where do you see?

Man?

If I can't sit courtside or a real sweet that's in the first left, I don't believe this.

That's a good man.

I'm gonna take it in and stay at the crick and I like to smoke and move around and drink a little bit and enjoy myself.

But it's almost I mean, we did it for a job, So going to games now is not fun.

It's not I'm not looking for he said, Like again, I'd rather watch it, and if the game is on some bullshit, I'll watch something else, you know, So going to games I have to.

It's not even spoiled.

It's just if I'm gonna go out.

If I'm not courtseided, I'll be in the sweet But if not, most of the time, I'm just at the crib for sure.

Yeah.

Man, back to that, I wanted to talk about this Clippers team though, we kind of because that's that's bullshit.

Actually over there the Clippers scene, if they heard, can they be okay see this in a series?

Yes?

So who's there?

Who's there?

Five?

So James Big, Zoo, Bradley Beal, I love Zoo Big.

That's right.

Bill was a good pick up.

Yeah.

They got a lot to prove though too.

Yes, the fact you know a lot of people and I've always been a fan of him, but that you know, you're putting up empty numbers on the losing team.

Yeah.

And then it was a horrible move to go to a team that three guys that all need the ball in their hands in Phoenix.

So I think he's on the like I still got juice in his in his tank, Kawhi's availability.

I love James.

I think James has been able to evolve and adapt his game.

He could be an eighteen and ten and six guys still and be very effective Zubots is one of the most underrated bigs in the game, and they got some depth with some I think they got a really good team.

It just depends on their health.

I think Kawhi is the key.

If Kawhi can give you sixty five games, you got a chance to be a top five team in the West.

You think can affect that locker room in the positive.

Yeah, I think, And I think too, And I mean there's you know, I love CP.

I'll go to Ward CP every ingle day.

But I also think that he had to learn how to communicate with this newer generation.

I think that was our biggest issue with the Clippers was we come from an old school where they can cust you out and you just got to make it work, you know.

So I was kind of the bridge at times when he couldn't get through the Blake or DJ, like, Yo, this is what he's trying to say, but he's not wrong.

He just don't like his delivery.

This was telling you.

So I think that he's kind of learned from that and understanding how to work and be a mentor.

And obviously CPS one of the greatest players to ever played this game.

So I definitely think that he'll be able to give him solid minutes and also add to just the IQ and then and and helping the young guys through some shit.

Yeah, they counted Billy aspect.

I think for CP, theory is really gonna help that team because you look at his always young, dumb person, all the young talent, you look at SGA, you look at Dennis, everybody he's been around.

He's only positive impact, especially for the guard position.

Sing for him to be what is that motherfucker sixty?

He played with eighty two games last year.

Come on, it's a game.

So availability is big.

You know, he really takes care and and to me, just some more of a person.

Like my twins and his sons are best friends.

We lived five minutes away.

It was really big for him to be able to get back home.

This last handful of years.

He's been bouncing outside of California, and it's just you can't take the family every time you move around towards the end of your career.

So I knew coming into the season when I've seen him in the summertime, He's like, man, i gotta stay in Cali.

I'm like, we'll go back to the Clippers, go to the Lakers, So I was glad that it was able to and he's already met you know, said this is last year.

I'm so, I'm glad he gets to do it with a team that you know he really put some work in too.

That's a really underrated thing I would say about your athletes, our lifestyles, like especially playing on a road, being away from your film it that's hard mentally for a lot of people, especially as you grow and your kids get older.

How did you manage that and how's it now?

You know what I'm saying, having a little bit more time to be that's what you know.

That's what you know.

I mentioned earlier and I didn't tell the reason why, but that's what you know.

I retired my first year into a three year deal, so you know, I played fourteen years, got paid for sixteen years, but it was because I wasn't getting a chance to see my twins at the time, they were like seven years old.

So I wanted to retire.

And and it's a great job and it's perks and there's money, but you know, eight months season, we're gone for four and a half of those.

I mean, once you start having a family and kids, you're missing birthdays and school plays and games and shit you'll never get back, you know.

And that's why I felt like, although I didn't get to contribute the way I did, I was just like, damn, I got me a ring.

My investments are doing good, I got money in the bank.

I it's time to see what was next.

Like, although I didn't know what was next, but I knew just being a dad was most important to me next.

And you know, I got just missed the taking kids to school and coaching them and cooking for them and just being there with them, because again, I was a very present dad while I was playing, but my job took me away a lot of time.

So now you know, my twins are sixteen, shout out the isa in car.

They just got their license to stay.

They are so proud.

They all kind of things a little homies got their license.

But I got a six year old who looks like he's ten and a one year old.

So I get to kind of really start all over and just be there daily and just see the grind and see the growth.

So to me, it's the greatest job in the world.

I asked you this about the twins.

Do they get their own cars, yeah, or share car.

Sure, sure, and their mom is their mom is their but she didn't want to pitch in and get a car together.

So, uh, what's the point that.

So they got a car at their moms grabbing in a car at my house so they could.

They said, it just sucks being a twin.

Though you're a twin.

Nah, that's a lot of niggas that look like me.

Like maybe I want to slide on some road.

Got something to do, like whip?

Yeah, with the whip.

It's kind of it's kind of tough.

You got it over now to like you know what, you know when we come up.

I don't know about y'all, but we couldn't wait, I mean forgot.

I didn't have a car.

I had a bike with a license, Like I just couldn't wait to get my life.

But these dudes didn't really It wasn't really because I just used to being driven around or around like it wasn't really pressed it, you know, and they're not really out there in the streets got you know, God blessed for that, but they're not.

They weren't really pressed to get their license, but they finally got it.

But they love I mean, unless you have twins.

Like the dynamic having twins is incredible, Like they're when I tell you, best friends.

Like when they were get it's sick, one would go to school because the other one didn't get sick yet, but he would be tripped.

The one at home like I need to call and check out my brother, or the one at school would call home sometimes like hey, I was so and so feeling.

So that just the dynamic is and it's dope to see.

Like, so you have a built in best friend every single day, your dog is with you.

You know, I kind of took that shit for granted because they were so easy growing up.

Now that I got my six year old, I gotta do everything with that motherfucker.

I gotta play video games, swim, play basketball, play soccer, play baseball.

Well, I got the one year old on my hip.

I'm a single datafore so it's just like I'm shaking and baking.

But I'm like, god, damn, I have to do none of this shit with the twins they had each other, but I have with Ashton boy.

Motherfucker got me running with the baby on my hip.

So it's it's it's it's dope, but it's a lot Man.

How you like coaching in that AU crazy world?

Bro, I enjoy it because I'm teaching.

I don't respect the AU system.

I think it's a money grab.

Now.

I just saw an article that their kids are playing eighty two one hundred games in the year.

It's fucking crazy.

Wos why these kids are breaking down?

But just a money graph for adults now, you know what I mean?

Everything is water down.

When we came up.

I don't know when you guys started, but when I came into AAU, like, there weren't age levels like when you played AAU, if you're coming as a freshman, you played against the best players in the country.

There wasn't no fourteen, fifteen, sixteen like when I was fourteen, I was playing against seventeen eighteen year olds in AAU.

So now there's just so many levels and divisions and gold, bronze and silver like it's not It takes away from the kind of the cachet of being an AAU player.

And then again, it's not even about developing kids no more.

It's about winning games, which is fucking pointless.

College coaches don't give a fuck what kind of AU shit you.

They want to know, do you know how to play off the ball, and I feel that's what our game lacks as kids understanding.

Kids are super skilled now, being able to do all these moves and step backs and triple step backs and the gather and all that shit, but when they don't have the ball in the hand, they standing there like dummies.

You know, you don't have to cut flare screen forty five cut.

You know they don't know how to do notnh that shit.

So to answer your question, I enjoy it because I'm teaching these kids how what they're going to see yet.

And I've had my kids since they were eight, so what they're going to see in high school?

Now, all these kids are in high school and they're like, damn, coach Man was seating that shit when we was in fourth or fifth grade.

And then I'm trying to prepare them now what they're going to see in college and hopefully what they're gonna see in the league.

So it's really concepts and understanding spacing and how to play off the ball and how to be on a string on defense and rotating and all that kind of shit.

So I love it because I'm teaching.

I just wish the rest of the game would be taught.

And you already talk about that, Jeff, as a hig school coach.

You got a real players back in even though they haven't great.

You got a really back in for a high school basketball Bring them back to reality.

Man.

Yeah, nobody's gonna sit there and let you drivele the ball twenty times.

Nobody, I mean.

And what I don't like is these kids don't watch basketball at highlights or the next morning, and I feel like you missed so much by not seeing what's out there.

Like if these kids want to cross over eight times and step back and still have the ball, Like, show me one person that does that in the league.

There might be three or four guys that can do that that are allowed to do that.

But for the most part that you know, like coach Pop said, a second and a half, if you can't make a decison, then second a half, get the fuck off the ball.

Like these kids wouldn't know what to do if they had a second and a half to touch the ball.

So it's it, And it's just kind of being able to teach these kids and make them understand man that you know, it's a delusional space.

Social Media's delusional with these mixtapes and highlight tapes and all this shit.

That you know.

And then what do I mean your thoughts?

You don't coach at AU, but you see it.

I mean these holdbacks.

I mean when we were coming up, Like I remember I was in eighth grade walking across the street to play with the varsity team.

Yeah, there's kids we were playing against seventeen year old freshmen.

Like I was going to UCLA at seventeen, and you're a freshman in high school.

Bro, we'll be doing I don't believe in that.

Like a lot of our guys are younger.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Some of the guys on our high school team they fifteen on their junior year.

Yeah, cause it's going to come a time where you can't run from the smoke.

I feel like the adversary is what makes you better.

Like all these kids, even if you take it to the college, it's like jumping in the portal.

Shit, don't go Ou'm jumping in the portal.

Like what happens when you can't run?

What happens when you have to sit there and just just just be a man?

This damn, I'm not going to play that much this season.

What am I?

How am I going to make my game.

What am I going to learn?

You don't get no, you don't get no adversity and will power and mental strength when you're just running from the smoke the whole time.

That's a fact.

Yea, since we talked about that though, like the nil, do you think that would have kept you playing football?

They came with that chicken?

Yeah, I probably would have definitely played, you know, to get two bags, you know, play football and get fucked up for no reason, you know what, hopes of going to the NFL.

But you're trying to tell me I could do because you couldn't tell me any.

I was in LA too, bro So I remember I used to get my little pale grant twenty five hundred dollars.

You couldn't tell me nothing.

That's what's been going in like twelve hours.

But when I had that little twenty five hundred, like you couldn't.

I couldn't imagine having a half a million or a million dollars in Westlewood in LA and no parents at tell you know, don't like But to me, also, does that take away from the grind?

Take your foot off the gas, because these kids are getting everything we had to bust our ass to get to the league for like, you couldn't even get it was illegal to get it in college, so we had to brian all the way to get to the league, to get that kind of money.

So if you're getting it now in high school, the elites are getting into high school, everybody's getting a colleague.

I think it's only natural to take your foot off the gas.

I think so too.

That's why I guess I'm not against prep schools.

But that's my problem with prep schools, because you're just not that hungry.

No more like when you're getting money, we all know that, Like you got your pilgrim.

Even when I got my pilgrim, you couldn't tell me, Well, if you getting a million dollars, I don't know who I would have been.

I would have made it.

Best player in the country.

He'd at least got t yeah number yeah, yeah.

No different time.

Man, It's beautiful.

I mean, that's why I got four sons.

A couple of motherfucker's gonna hit this lottery.

I tell you what, what is like?

What is it like coaching your kids?

Though?

Like is it tough?

No?

Because I don't treat them like my I feel like I do my kids a disservice if I play daddy ball, because I'm not always going to be their coach.

So if I'm doing if I'm running extra plays or starting them or giving them all these men like it's not realistic, like they're like everybody else, like the best players that like, whoever has the best rhythm at the time is going to finish the game.

And I would try to tell kids too, and Jeff, you know, obviously start is cool.

I'm a starter, but the coach who finishes the game is who the trust, coach trust the most.

That's who's playing the best.

That's who I can trust.

And you always want to be a player where when I put you in the game, I know what I'm gonna get from you.

You can't be a wild card.

So coaching my kids, it's sometimes it's tough love and sometimes I'm a little tougher on them from a standpoint if I just know that being a former NBA son son, you're gonna get motherfucker that don't like you just for that fact.

So you know, there was a time where one twins started one, didn't you know, there's time where they both started.

There's both time when they're both playing like shits.

They sit right next to me, you know what I mean.

So to me, I can't daddy them because I'm not always going to be there to daddy and from a coaching standpoint, I feel like I'll I'll hinder their growth, so they know everything with me is is earned, nothing is given.

I know that's tough though, having that bullet on your that target on your back, because my guys was gunning for all.

After they played them in the Ubu, they called me a sat facetimmy coach.

We just beat Matt Bournes and yay to call them.

I'm like, you know, you know, y'all, y'all had a really I wasn't surprised that you guys.

You guys had a really good We just we We started with the thing in Cali is there's no bigs.

We got so many guards, so we're a small art.

Motherfucking five man six four, you know what I mean.

So it's just like we're super skilled.

If we're not shooting the ball, we played like the Warriors.

If we're not shooting the ball, well we're in trouble.

And we started uh the fourth session before piecing with thirteen guys, we finished our last game with six, like we got one of the twins fractures and like our whole team was hurt.

But when we played, y'all was good.

Man, it was a good game until the end.

You guys pulled away and I think one by like six or seven.

Uh, but we're in that bitch the entire time.

But you guys that but you guys had size and motherfuckers said was dunking and wiping off the glass and we just didn't have none of that.

So, like I said, we're gonna make some moves in the portal.

I'm already meeting with dad, like this next year their last year and the you you know, it was my last year coaching for a little while until my six year old gets right.

So we're gonna go all out.

But I love it, man, it's and it's dope too.

And Jeff, you know, if you ever pulled up to the turn like it's a reunion all that.

There used to be a stigma of black dad, especially the NBA players not being in their kids lives.

But with this generation of the dudes that I play with and right behind us, like there's so many involved ads now whether they're coaching, supporting, running programs, but just being present.

You'll see twenty five thirty former players at any given tournament and this joke.

After we're done playing, we go back and drink some smoke, some chop it up, and just kick it.

So it's almost like a reunion for us every time we travel out of state to these tournaments.

Dope is dope.

You said something really interesting about the highlight factor, and I see Adam Silver said this recently.

He was just like basically the accessibility some of these games.

They was like, you know, with all these networks and all things spread out, how can kids or people even support their team.

He's like, you know what, we're light?

How light that work?

So if you can't watch the game, it's all right.

He was a problem to be better, And now you're telling these kids catch it on Twitter, Like where's the balance in that?

For like the fan base, there's not.

It's all the money grab.

You know that the game, the games is glow mobile as it's ever been, but because there's just new ways to consume it, you know what I mean?

Like as far as it would be interesting to see like how many people if they did a study actually can even watch a half of game.

You know, a lot of people don't just sit there and watch games one because there's just so much other shit going on other games.

But it's just games are long, and the season is long, you know what I mean.

So you got to be a real fan to sit there and watch your team, and kids these days don't have the attention span at all.

I have to make the one thing during the playoffs, my twins, sit your motherfucking ass down and we're going watch, and they'll sit and watch the games.

I have to like tell them, come come watch the games, and then they'll be glad they did it.

But if I don't tell them, they'll be playing video games or out shooting or doing whatever else.

Dad will catch that ship tomorrow.

I'm like, what do you mean tomorrow?

Yeah, we can watch the highlights.

I'm like, what the fuck about the rest of the game.

The highlights of two minutes?

The game is forty eight?

What do you mean now?

We don't roblocks?

Dad?

And what's happening tomorrow?

Now theyre on two K with Jeff and no draws.

Did you see how fast our social team put that up?

I wanted to you, I said, said, and that ship was on social media like eight minutes.

I was getting.

It was getting I was on Twitter the smoke Best Home.

We just walked off the stage like this ship never go.

Over.

I said, this is nasty.

The whole drugs that's out of pocket.

Get to take team.

Uniform.

That's a nasty uniform.

Like I said, I'm glad we we kind of just scratched the surface.

But we definitely want to have you guys come out to l a our studio, but definitely sit down and and and and and do a real show with you guys.

I don't watch a ton of podcasts, but I do like just your your guys' energy is authentic and you can feel it.

And you guys can say ship to each other.

The other motherfuckers saying with me and jack like I could talk ship to Jackie to me, the other mother fuckers can't say.

You guys have that chemistry where you could talk ship about each other with each other and you.

Talk me bad, bro, This is how we met.

That's how we met, bro.

He told me, No, that's my brother shoving Mack.

He told me shoving back is better than me to my face, that's not that's.

Not how we got got that's how we met.

So here.

I don't know.

He's a stop fucking line.

Listen, let me get another shot game I had.

I had a challenge, one the only ones in the city with that week.

It's back twenty ten.

So I pulled up this ship music Monday.

You know I had a shorty driving my ship.

Yes, crib Yeah.

We stayed with THEOD the NBA doing that ship.

You.

I don't know he was out of pocket.

You should have been shot.

I pulled up.

He was just talking about my car because I guess I didn't have a super up one.

I had a basically listen.

Man, yeah, I mean he put he pulled up next to me in a basic challenge.

Nah.

We weren't cool like that.

Now, you know what I mean.

I had Pemps blue pulled up, had a little heavy one in the past or something.

Like a little thing.

At the time, just riding.

That's my I like think one time that.

She was she was a lot of hell.

Okay, yeah, I had the hell care you had a basic and you pulled up.

I was like this, nigga, does he got up you open the door?

What up?

No, nigga, it's a difference put that baby ship.

That night we started talking, then shoving.

Maga Sture came along and then.

He was like, man, my nigga should sure assiga what?

And we had a program game and Nigga, I'm locked out shelving crazy.

I'm going he looking over here, Shoven don't know right.

So every time I score on showing, I'm pointing at this niggag he laughing.

Sheving like, what's up?

Man?

Nigga you said?

Oh said sad, Nigga.

Ain't ship nigga shoving like what?

And then she became my guy.

He came on the Hawks and we became best friend for sure.

For sure.

Listen, man, we gotta make it out there man, all the smoke, man, we gotta tap in.

Man, listen, we appreciate you.

Appreciate you stack man.

Y'all paid white for people like us to be in this space.

To get to it, man, we gotta pay how much of the ogs in the space, man, keep going, keep pushing it for it man, all the smoke productions going crazy.

We appreciate you pulling up on this big dog for Shure man, you know, the one more time for boost Mobile twenty five dollars unliming the nation wide man tap in with the good people.

I need I need a burner where the burners.

Yeah, need a burner, baby op on, chirp, the chirp, but yeah, you know the vibes.

Until next time, we appreciate chocolate twenty'es sir.

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