And I invited you here.

I thought I made myself perfectly clear.

When you're a guest to my home, you gotta come to me empty.

And I said, no, guests, your presences presents enough.

I already had too much stuff, So how do you dare to surbey me?

Welcome to I said, no gifts.

I'm Richard Wineger.

We're in the backyard.

It's been an interesting little morning for me, I think for everyone, but mostly for me.

The power was out, so I had to well, it's just been stressful because it was raining all weekend.

But my home didn't flood.

So you know, any time my house isn't full of water, it's a good time.

So I'm feeling fine.

I'm wearing a fantastic shade of green, and everybody knows it.

What's going on.

Oh, I had to take an ice cold shower.

That was the big thing for me this morning, an ice cold shower in the dark, and I try to imagine, you know, maybe I'm under a beautiful waterfall and that will help.

That helps for two seconds, and then it was agony.

So but I'm awake.

I'm alert as much as I can be.

At eleven fifteen, is there anything else going on.

I'm scanning my brain.

I don't think anything else is happening.

My house isn't flooding.

Thank god.

That's all we can That's I'm just so thankful.

Let's get into the podcast.

I'm a mess.

Today's guest is absolutely fantastic.

It's Mo Fry passic, Mo Hi friend.

I said, no gifts.

I'm so happy to be here.

Thank you for experiencing this entire situation leading up to the recording.

I I adore that this is what you identify as a situation, because I feel like listeners should know.

Like it was like I like, walked in.

It was really nice.

She said, do you want to water?

You set up some cables, and.

Then at one point both of you individually said I'm so embarrassed.

Whoa, I don't know for what, and I does not go, yeah.

Well, you know, we're ten minutes late.

I just don't like to I like the guests to just be walk in, walk out, not see a moment of it.

So for I mean, my phone is currently as we talked about, the battery is hanging by a thread.

The real macguiver situation.

Yes, sure, attached to all sorts of bat or power chords.

A power cord attached to a power cord to a kind of vinta Apple charter.

Yes, everything is just you know, I just pushed my life to the absolute limit right before the breaking point.

And that you've met me today at the breaking point.

Oh, I love that, which feels wonderful meeting such a raw form.

Thank you for showing up.

Of course it rained all weekend.

How was your rain experience?

I love rain.

It's like you know, I find in La the little cloudy weather is like a little jacket for the world where it's like, don't talk to me right now, you know, like there's no pressure to go outside, there's no pressure to like right, So I appreciate.

That you don't get sir crazy.

No, No, you could put me in a dark room for a very long time.

I always say two doesn't want to space odyssey at the end, I'd be fine, you know what I mean.

I just like daydream But oh, look at this, Look at this gorgeous like fabric in this room.

I can I feel like I should be better at staying home.

But what are you go out and do?

I think I just need to know that I can sure.

Of course, the option I need to know that I can just hop in the car and I can.

I mean, it's just raining, but I don't like to get my shoes wet.

I need to get better waterproof shoes or something.

So then when it is nice out, are you then in the same opposite way of being like I'm staying inside.

Of course, okay nice.

It's a broken system completely.

It's a demand avoidant system.

Yeah.

But also when I came here, it's like I keep feeling like I've say to Analis that it felt like Costa Rica a little bit.

But then I realized what it feels like.

What it almost there?

An animal back here?

Yeah, cutie, oh oh fantastic.

Yeah.

We have a couple of cats that have been visiting recently, and I really love to see it.

But this feels like I'm visiting Billy Collins and three in Hawaii when he's put laureate and I'm in his backyard and there's tropical plants and We're going to go talk art and and be intelligent, witty yet poetic.

You know, as I said, this.

Has come to the wrong place.

You've come to the absolute wrong No, that's that's the vibe.

I'm always to shoot early thousands Hawaii.

Yeah.

No, I love the clouds and I'm growing.

I'm relearning to love the rain because, as I was telling you pre podcast, the house flooded two years in a row, and it's you know, the trauma has just seeped into my bones.

But how do you had natural disaster damage prior to this?

No, but I have had some.

I think my family has a water curse because our family home flooded.

The basement flooded when I was a kid, and it was.

I'm sorry, you just said no, and then he said, yes, what You're home flooded.

The basement, but it was sprinklers, so it wasn't natural.

I understand.

Yeah.

And then when I first moved to La, I was living with a couple in their baby and it was a horrible situation.

So over the holidays, I packed my car up in order to move out, and then went home to Utah for two weeks and it rained for two weeks straight, and I got back at like eleven thirty at night and stepped into my car and heard a splash.

My car was full of breaking, total panic.

I mean, like just an absolute breakdown.

Because it's also in the attempt to like protect yourself and your items to.

Leave blew off my face, God heartbreaking.

And then of course the two years of funding.

So I don't know what which my parents crossed, but there's just we could resolve that today.

Yeah, maybe that's what we do, right, get me out of the water curse.

I feel like we could do that easily.

What do we need to do to get this?

You need to find the soul lesson that your soul's trying to learn.

Oh, interesting because it's.

Like, okay, what feeling of like?

Either because great water is actually a very loving destroyer if you think about it.

Yes, when we're talking big, big expanded ideas, not literal because it's awful when people lose things.

But I think if I'm just pitch on it, right, if you like, say you're pitching a more fantasy based thing, you could say like, okay, there's purification.

There's a feeling like even when you like a benevolent sort of requirement of it's very bum what is it called the Catholic Biblical like I'm not a lot I should wash away in Yes, yes, of course.

And it's like this idea of a shame paradigm.

It feels like, interesting, So I need to let go of some sort of shame.

Yeah, I feel like the curse that you would then be the curse breaker is the idea that there is shame in wanting material things.

Oh interesting, what do you think?

Wow?

I really like this.

Okay, I have a hard time with material things in general, are you Yeah.

The whole podcast, but gifts?

I love this?

Okay, so material Maybe the podcast brought the curse back to be healed.

Yeah, maybe and complete it.

Maybe this is a whole bit, a whole journey to get water out of my life.

I would love or like, yeah.

Learning to accept material goods and keep.

Them a little bit, because it's like it's I think, I don't know.

I think a lot of us have the issue feeling morally wrong wanting things and homes and that.

You know, Yes, I really have a lot of that where I'm like, I don't I never buy anything.

When I do, I usually don't buy the best.

Really, yes, yeah, because it feels indulgent.

Yeah, yeah, I hear that.

Interesting.

We may have gotten to the root or something here that could really change everything for.

Me, because here's my thing with like break and curse or whatever.

I never blame someone.

Never like if you're thinking about concepts and you're playing with it and going that happened to you?

Because it's not that happened to you.

Because but if we can zoom out and find a personal pattern that it can release, right party.

Rock Wow, this is Have you ever felt like you've had a curse?

I've put plenty Yeah, any elemental.

Golly, I don't think elemental.

I hope not.

Okay, I guess physical would be elemental.

No, but not earth wind fire okay.

And do you uh do you remember a point when you were like, oh, no, this is going to curse me.

No, it'll more so be like it's like the thing where you go to other people's houses and you're like.

Damn, we don't live normal on mine.

You know.

It's like you're like, damn, have I been living a curse?

Damn?

And you're like, you guys are that's okay, that's okay.

It's more like a realization constantly.

That is a nice thing to go to another person's house and just get ideas on how normal people live.

But then I like, for the most of my young life, I was like, this is fake, fakers.

You're putting this on for me.

Yeah, I was like, like tied and weird.

You need a chaotic home where like your aunt's come in into your laundry and take it away and then lose your volleyball jersey and the whole team's about at you.

Has there ever been something you've walked into someone's house and you're like, I am going to implement this into my own home.

I I like hate it.

How strong my reaction was absolutely not.

I know exactly what I want my home.

I love my home.

I don't know how I wanted to work to the general vibe at your house.

I caught feminine scarface.

Okay, oh, I like that.

I really love sort of an eighties aesthetic.

But also I needed to have a cozy, plush blankets and softness where you can nest right right, like the rain darkness.

There's no I can be in my little nest without watching reality TV, without the pressure to go out in the world.

Right, feminine scarface, yeah, I.

Got the I like, I have a lot of velvet like Doberman sort of paintings.

I have a lot of Nagle Patrick nagels like the real arts.

So there's like a little bit of a danger to it, but in a cozy.

Way, but in a like cartoonish way.

Yeah, I like that.

Do you are you a Doberman fan?

Do you have pets or just like the general image of Dover.

I have a little spirit guy named von Ya.

He's a cat and I love him so much.

What color black and white?

Oh?

Very sweet?

How old is he?

He's nine okay.

Got years and years ahead of him.

Yeah, he's a deva kitty too.

He's a little jet setter.

He like he flies with me.

He does his thing.

When he flies.

I have a friend who has two cats, and she at one point, because I guess at the airport when you fly with them, you have to take them out of their crate to go through security, and she had to do that.

She took them both out and then they peed all over her.

And this was on the way, so she.

Got a journey ahead of her.

Can you imagine piss journey for total The entire plane had a piston journey.

Yeah, that's the truth.

What a nightmare for everybody.

How is your cat flying?

He okay?

Because I've seen people like, oh, yeah, it's tough when people don't know how to wrangle their own animal and you do have to take him out, and then you have to do this thing where they swipe your hands for like the bomb residue, no matter what if you have a pet, okay, and so then you have to be holding your pet.

And I always do like a clamshell with my hands to get him to swipe it.

But I always wear a sweatshirt and I put Vonya in it, and I like rock him.

But because I got him in Wisconsin and when I went back to New York, his first flight was when he was like young.

He's very customed, so this is just kind of a thing for him.

He's really good at it.

But I will say, because he's good, people have no boundaries and like.

Especially the older women, like, oh, it's so cute.

I start touching my cat and I'm like, hey, this sucks.

Like is he on your lap throughout the flight?

No, gosh, okay.

He tucks in that little carrier you put it under the seat.

He's so quiet that I always have to alert the person next to me.

I go to see where there is a cat underneath her.

Wow, and it is alive.

It's alive.

It's alive.

But I don't know.

He's easy.

Cats are Yeah, he's easy, but you do.

You don't have pets to you.

We have a dog and we absolutely love her.

But anytime it rains, I remember why one big thing cats are easier with is they don't have to go outside.

Yeah, they put booties on.

Yeah she well, she's really good in the rain.

She's just a puppy.

She's nine months old, and she was surprisingly great out in the rain.

It kind of didn't bother her at all.

Okay, but I think she's a Rottweiler and I think they're used to their water dogs.

She's the best.

That's amazing, wonderful little animal.

Oh wow, those are special ones.

Yeah, I didn't.

I knew nothing about them until we found her.

And yeah, she's well we rescued earlier, but still really Yeah, and once we started telling people we have a Rottwiler, everyone has had these incredible experiences with them.

Well, because I feel like pities get the conversation forward, then Doberman's and so don't necessarily get discussed.

Right, they're kind of lost in the mix, and they're kind of in that same category of people think that this is a scary animal and that's actually the sweetest creature.

You can possibly imagine.

And she's so smart.

She also thinks I'm a toy.

That's fine, she's basically yeah, but yeah, the cat.

You had cats at one point, and you know they're ups and downs.

The cat litter is a tough situation.

Why is there been no.

Science community has got to just maybe put everything else aside for a minute and just say, let's figure out how to deal with cats toilet.

It's so bizarre, it's crazy.

There haven't been bigger advancements in this.

All the pitches, all the guards, all the little to like even just a foot cleaner, it would be a better advancer than the actual litter itself.

Right when they're tracking the little throughout the house.

That's almost grosser than the smell or anything.

It's humiliating.

Sometimes you have people over and you're like, it's tough.

If you feel a piece of litter on your foot, it's just like my.

Back it up, pack it up.

But I'm out take it all away from me.

I don't deserve any of this.

Yeah, they've got to.

I guess you could put the litter in like an area where there's a carpet that they have to step off onto and wipe their feet.

But I feel I feel they know because you know what I mean.

There is like a destructive They're like no way like truly because I have like a carpet and then I have like a plastic thing and then my cat.

I will watch them like fly over those.

I am like you knew, you knew?

I want it like the fuck.

Yeah, I guess.

They have those automatic litter boxes that are kind of a robot.

Those.

My friend has one of those.

Those.

Those are like the worst a year.

It's like remember you see, like when you were like in the nineties, like you'd see commercials for like robot dog.

You like, of course it's a perfectly working cool and it's like see it's this is nothing nothing.

This can't work.

This doesn't move at all, and it's that.

I imagine that it's probably also scary for the cat.

A lot of cats have issue with it.

Right because I assume it makes noise.

It's yeah, it's also like weird that it feels like it's moving.

They can understand it's moving in some sort of rhythm with them, but the pattern might not be necessarily direct because of the timing.

Right.

I don't love it.

I wonder if big litter.

All of the cat litter corporations are like, we cannot let this problem be solved.

Okay, well if I'm so good at your standing this, because imagine big litter is also based in like big concrete, which is based in big construction.

Wow, it's not going here.

We could go a lot of places.

This goes so far, because.

Then who's big crystal though?

You know what I mean?

They all have so much writing on this.

Yeah, I would say the same level as big oil and not know.

But if we uncovered something we.

Have there, there will never be a solution to cat litter.

People have probably been killed.

Because there would be you know what I mean, like if there wasn't something against.

Of course, billions of dollars are being poured into cat litter every year.

We're getting a season desas tomorrow.

We both died as seriously drowned up.

What is our soul trying to learn?

I think I think that there's something happening.

I don't.

I don't disagree.

Pharma similar thing.

They don't want all diseases cured.

Same Yeah, I said, same, you have something that your stocking.

They were the same, but they just givet the same.

I don't want them.

You're setting in the way of a lot of cures.

Sam, I don't want them to make so much money off that ship.

You have a lot of stocks in litter and dead.

Oh what a shame at all, I know, but it gives us challenges and things to work.

So we're all just tinkering on our little rocks all.

Day, you know what I mean?

Right, And then someday you'll miss the litter on your feet.

Oh don't whoa, I'm sorry, my god, I'm sorry.

It's something we all have to brutal.

It's something we all have to.

One day miss the litter on your feet.

That was like, that was Luther Van Dross level.

That was crazy.

One day I'll dance with my father again as well.

I cannot believe that.

Oh you said that it was a pivot, like you were closing that thought, and then you just dropped the most emotional, devastating.

Oh, somebody needs to write a piece of beautiful music.

Someday you'll miss the litter on your feet.

R and B.

Yeah, beautiful R and B.

Hit Oh well, speaking of difficult topics.

Absolutely, Look, I was looking forward to having you here on the podcast today that I thought, oh, come bye, we'll have a nice conversation and then we'll move on.

So I was a little surprised the podcast.

Look, the podcast is called I said, no gifts, and you're you know, you're an intelligent person.

Sometimes you can read emails.

You're really backing away.

I feel like you're really building up a case for yourself.

So I assumed you'd be able to follow the rule of don't bring a gift.

So I, uh, you know, and I've had a very hard morning already, maybe the hardest morning anyone's ever had, could be.

I'm struggling through life, and so it was a little difficult to see yet another challenge.

You showed up with the gifts.

I did, well, it's in this beautiful tube.

Well I'm actually shocked, though, because you're sitting here and going can't believe It's like this has been contentious the whole time.

I talked about wanting people to die and not wanting cures, you know what I mean, Like, it's like, how are you shocked by this?

Of course the biggest shock of all sort of what is it?

Antagonism?

Of course it gave it antagonizing.

Of course you're an antagonist.

That's a charm of this relationship.

That's sort of like I told you not that I specifically asked you do not.

To do that.

And that's that's what giving it.

That's why people want us to win when we're watching this film.

Right, they want me to overcome me your villainy.

Yeah.

So now we're going to see you know, I'm on my journey here.

I love that.

Will I make it to the end of the podcast, and part of that is opening this gift right now.

So I'm going to I'm going to slide this out of it's in a poster tube and it's so far feeling poster.

Ask but we don't know.

We can't make any assumptions.

We'll put this here.

It's like a big cigarette.

Now that's fine, it is, Oh my god, that's so fine if you like, start with a small one and the builds to that.

Okay, now this is seems to be a poster and I'm here you pull can we should oh?

Multiple posters?

Okay?

Wow?

Okay, So this first one is this gorgeous kind of photo of some uh what do we call those islets?

Small islands in the ocean, you know, the big rocky ones, the ocean.

Obstacles are what you see when you take your eyes off the goal.

That's so true, so true.

Okay, should I should we look at all and then I can discuss.

Okay, I'm excited.

Okay, now this is a bigger.

Hey, we're only three working.

We'll get this one first.

Okay, now you pull you hold that in.

We're opening, opening, opening.

Another poster that says, and now it's a kind of a beautiful field.

Is that wheat sweet with the beautiful sun behind it?

And it says a sunset is a sunrise on the other side of the world.

Wow.

Now if you think about that for a minute, don't He'll spin out.

Okay, now, let's I think this is the final one.

It is and you pull that in and I'm already singing a hang glider So we love hang glider in front of a sunset.

And the what we're learning here is just reach for the sky.

Absolutely yeah.

Yeah.

But if you think about that, think about that part, there's one second, your whole i mean, your whole life plan falls apart.

These are achievement theme posters.

Tell me, uh wow, reach for the sky, and it also says it in several languages on the back, but if you want to see in a different language, you have to frame it on the opposite side, and there's no picture.

Yeah, and it's sort of like a late text paper.

Yeah, why did you bring these gorgeous?

I was so excited.

Statements Okay, one I picked them up.

There have a theme of color tones because it.

Fell all very sunset, very golden.

Very golden.

I have maybe like fifty of those.

And my favorite part is so my great aunt was a principal and in the Eli school, just kind of teacher, and when she passed away, I had to go through dumb like storage and clean out stuff.

And she had so many like school supplies.

Right right, Oh, so many school supplies.

And part of me was like, well, these are dumb and fun and maybe I'll make art.

But I was like, I have to save these because they're from the original.

Like it's like people will know them from like their grade school or like hanging there.

Like they're so dumb.

They're so dumb that they become profound.

And you look at these and you're like a sunset on Oh, maybe I'm not alone in the world.

Like it's like you go too quick and like some of the other posters I specifically didn't bring because it's like they're so ugly, like it'll be someone like make it across the finish line, and it's like a sort of eighties woman wearing Sophie shorts pulled two tight, so there's a very suggressive camel toee and then like and like she looks pretty upset.

And then another one is like just like the road.

Ahead, and then it's just like some guy's ass like kind of jogging on along the forest Gump road.

And they're not good and right, but it's heaven of.

Course, what a find because they're the genuine you know, these haven't been like created by some ironic online company, and.

You can feel from the paper that they're.

From that vinyl.

Yes, yeah, I mean this is a real Uh, this will last for ages.

They look brand they were from No, yeah, I know it's lost it.

I think she probably got these seventy eighties.

And she apparently never hung these up herself.

Well maybe somewhere in the classroom, who.

Knows, Okay, but they seem so brand new.

I know.

It feels like maybe she was more of a you know, she was discouraging everyone.

Probably, Yeah, it could be could that if you're you're taking good data that I was out taking.

Yeah, she may have and just kind of terrorizing.

Yes, she was protecting this.

Its like Pandora's Box and finding these inspirations.

Anyone finds out about sunsets and sunrises.

I'm finished, but I have a question though.

I am what I call Amelia Viadelia brained, which is just literal processor of course.

And so what's so funny is that when something is like super dumb and like just like a platitude, my brain takes it literally and I take it to me the most profound, like truly, and I'm like, ah, that's amazing, and someone will be like no, it just says like stop walkway, and like but stop walkway, you know what I mean, or something like that.

I think the thing with platitudes, though, is that they are so universally felt and experienced that they become trite.

But it's like they are powerful things most of the time, but they're things that you just have thought about and heard so much because they're universally.

I'm here with you on the like the sort of dowdea ching the way, like back and forth.

The most profound is the simplest truth.

But I'm thinking more like live, laugh, love, you know what I mean.

I'm like, I don't know.

We gotta live, we gotta live, and we gotta most of all, if you're not loving, you're not laughing or living.

Yeah, So there you go.

I biff that one hard.

I if that hard.

It's wine o'clock about that one.

It's always win wine o'clock.

That's a tough one.

It's a tough one to get.

It's just a TJA backsplaque.

Yeah, and you can't hang that in an elementary school.

Well, you always have like those teachers in their office where you be like, can't wait till the weekend.

You're like, what is your you don't like your job, you don't like being with us.

Students, a guidance counselor.

Did you ever run into a teacher like out in the wild at the grocery store or anything, have have that uncanny experience.

Well, because girls came out when I was in the seventh grade and introduced the concept to us, pretty well.

Oh interesting, that kind of ruins it.

Ruined for me, to be honest, So not really.

Yeah, I remember I think I was probably in fourth grade when that happened, and it just threw everything I.

Did because then you like know the thing, expect the things, and then when it's happening, if you're hyper away or you're like meta, and you're.

Like, is it this weird or good?

Hi?

Yeah, in your brain there's almost like school is almost a West World style thing where they're all trapped in there, and then you see them sad shopping for eggs and you're like, oh.

I have I just don't even think I did, really, did you?

Yeah?

At least once once or twice I would run into a teacher.

Though I was an excellent student.

I'm sorry.

It was so sharp and incredible.

I just heard the last bitch after that, I was an excellent student.

I love that.

I think I was probably a decent student.

Okay.

I wasn't the one that was like keeping everyone from enjoying recess, you know when someone's like screaming and then everyone's.

But your inner standards were.

Yeah, I kept it together, okay, but I had a little fun.

So again, what does that look like?

Do tell what was having fun in the classroom look like.

That's a great question.

I facilitated the passing of a note for someone else before the man.

Yeah, I wasn't creating the notes or reading them.

I was a loser.

It I love them.

How were you as a.

Student, Oh, it's a mixed bag.

I was a really good bullshitter.

Okay.

I think I was a charming student.

I was a very smart kid.

But I didn't realize I had so many like different learning disabilities right right, that I was like cheating just to get something down.

But the work I was doing to cheating was way more work than anyone else was doing, you know, right, And so I would I would like wine and dine.

I'd be like, if I buy you the Starbucks, will you get rid of my absences?

Or something like.

I was really like.

You were using real adult skills.

Because I'd also gone to a special school, which is so wild for like kids with high IQ's when I was younger, Okay, and then they like drill into you like kind of this education that was wonderful but not applicable to then public high school.

Interesting, right, So you get to.

Public high school and you're like, I'm like, it's like it was I didn't I faked a lot.

Did you feel alienated?

No, it's pretty popular.

Okay, So you were able to you know, mix the high IQ school.

I was popular, which is it feels psychotic to say, because it's like what a metric, you.

Know, like you're like, what does that mean?

Now?

They did what they would test you in, and I think by way of that they chose its felt Montessori esque, where like the the way they education style was more you just learned about different things and it was all those subjects were integrated.

And oh interesting.

I liked it, But I don't think the there should be a bury for entry in that way.

This went all the way up to ninth grade, that went to eighth grade, eighth grade, and then they just throw you back into the stream.

Are you back in the stream?

But I was also an athlete, so I think I got that grandfathered into like not having to really figure a lot out.

Right, Mo, that's at all you better know that was a very good student.

I was a very good student excellence.

I can't stress.

Also, though I was like my school was like the popular were like the like kids who because I grew up in Madison, so it was like kids who were active involved in the political community, like the cool kids were not the stereotypical.

Oh interesting, It was kind of a bizarro world.

It wasn't like the cheerleaders and football players.

No, by no means they were looked down upon.

They were certainly not celebrated.

Okay, So that's what I mean by popular, because it was like a space where it was like, obviously there was hierarchies, but it was slightly more.

I guess inclusive.

So if not, I want, I don't want to go aggressive and it's inclusivity because it was sure very many ways.

But I think it was more diversified.

And it's cheerleader the.

Right, right, And what athletics were you in?

Volleyball?

Volleyball?

Yeah, that's that's the one I'm most scared of.

Really, Why terrified of volleyball?

There's something about that ball flying at you that I'm just running out of.

I don't want it coming near me.

Did you play?

Did you try?

Like well?

In gim we were required to play it, sure, and I don't think I've ever successfully gotten a volleyball over the net.

It's I don't know it.

I think they teach it wrong, especially in jim.

How are they teaching it wrong?

Because also like you're playing with other people who are doing it.

Just to hit it hard or just interesting.

Right, you're not really getting a chance because do you play other sports at all?

Simply no, badminton, badmint.

So the origin of volleyball is tennis and badminton, like, oh volume, right.

And there's the net.

Yeah.

It feels like the volleyball should have been the first thing, and then tennis and badmint are a refined version of it.

I my agree.

Do you think it's like technology getting smaller?

We had a ball, just a ball, but tools.

Right, we're bringing tools in first that we're putting the little feathers on.

See.

I what I loved is that when you said I do not play sports, it gave the like I don't at all, and then it's pivoted to like I only play a wealthy sport, you know, like bad you know what I mean.

I thought it was gonna be like I don't like to move like that, but it was no poor you know, no gay yes, yes, yes, badminton.

Let's be honest, it's in a pretty solid gay camp.

No it's not.

It's so wealthy.

It's like imagine like you're going like going to Holly, say what sport?

Everybody?

What sport?

There's so many other sports would name before.

Bad badminton is so gay?

Are you kidding me?

This is a caricature of an eighties dad villain who is gay, but is the dad you know what I mean?

Like he's in the gym with the racket the thing, you knowall racketball.

Now that's intense, you know, that's like, that's very Wall Street energy.

You and your I don't you think badminton is the gay sport?

Oh my god?

You think?

I mean, it's certainly not straight.

I can see it being people aren't straight.

Here's at.

And that's equality because gay people can be evil.

Anything that's good that we have should be evil.

A lot of evil gay people.

Some of the worst, the worst people alive.

Are gay that we have to take away to be of course, naturally.

This is get rid of all of us.

This is why I don't believe in big for curing all diseases.

Yes, exactly, Now badminton.

My introduction to badminton was public high school.

We had we had a we had a unit.

It was just so nice.

Whereas like, this thing isn't gonna hurt me.

It flats in the air.

Yeah, but were you competitive in it?

O?

But I at least was able to, you know, participate.

It's interesting.

I act genuinely.

I know we're being somewhat facetious, but I'm genuinely interested because I think it is such a high focus sport.

Interesting because it's like it's actually with the you have to go with the wind patterns, you have to go with the right hit the style.

You have to like hit it the spright speed and then slow the speed, so there's such attention required.

I loved it.

That's why I also love volleyball, because it's play over play over.

Play is not long term.

But I feel like right now you're considering badminton from the viewpoint of someone that's good at it.

Yeah.

Absolutely, and you're talking to someone I'm very good.

Two experts, one podcast.

I mean, this is what a bargain for everybody.

Believe it.

The listener is going, wow, I really.

Hitn't listener saving so much money they could play badminton?

No, I mean I haven't played.

You don't really get opportunities to play badminton.

I guess I need to make more rich friends.

Not no, because nobody else is really facilitating.

But pickleball became in vogue a little.

Bit right which I don't.

Again, the ball is hard at all, but it's adjacent to this, right, you know, I need it to be light, I need it to be frothy.

It's it's sucks that you can't passively do stuff because then all the rise you have to become the guy who plays badminton right to get a single game in?

Right?

Can you imagine I would actually come over here, new friend, and go, hey, we got to talk about this.

This is weird, this is tough.

You have a career, you're raid.

I we can play just like.

We don't need to make it this big.

Part of your personality and build.

I would love to have more opportunities to play badminton and to be on a boat, and I don't have any of them.

Yeah, which makes me.

Think I've just got to cut out off my current friends and start going to balls and gallas.

I like the idea of you co opting the language of like the people who are like I'm in a spiritual awakening.

I had to cut off on my friends.

I had to stuck in the balls gallas.

I needed to enter a new tax bracket.

I had to go into the sagmentum raining a little bit stunning, and it's not quite where we are.

Oh yeah, it's so romantic.

Sorry, this is where I'm dumb as rocks.

I said, it's not quite where we are.

I'm under a roof.

We are, but I'm under a roof.

But he said, not quite to us, not quite to us yet, but it could.

Get to us, who knows.

I love these posters.

This one with the hang glider reminds me there was a guy that was famous in Utah who ran a computer repair or computer business.

Who was his name?

I think it was Dale, Crazy Dale or something super Day No Superdale, super Dale.

I think the super Dave was so funny, but I believe at some point was arrested with his hang glider and a gun.

It was so I wonder what he's up to now, Superdale.

I bet you he has super deal on.

At least that's a very computer but not del How embarrassing for him?

Are you joking?

Yeah?

Like farmer in the dell?

How did we spell?

Look at this guy?

Listeners, I want you to know it's giving like his mouth is a black hole.

He's got bleach tips.

He's like you forget that they can actually be worn actually, like naturally bright blonde with blue eyes and he's given like, I'm.

The party DJ.

Is that his mugshot has to be right?

What's the news story there?

Is it?

Like?

Because I think he had a gun at some point and he was hang gliding.

This is so funny he was this is a made.

Yeah, super Dell.

How embarrassing to be in the computer business and not be Dell.

Yeah, stranger name.

That's tough, super but maybe that's why he said I'm super Yeah.

All right, he threw the superin, but that is only making things harder.

But this is actually very interesting me.

So was he famous as this guy that fixed me before the gun and the hang glider?

Yes, he had a bunch of like annoying local commercials.

Oh, I totally understand, and.

Became very famous through those, and then I think the hang glider came.

I'm sorry, there's so much to this, like you have to know.

Okay, So this was just, you know, for credit's sake.

This was posting the Salt Lake Tribune, of course, August of twenty seventeen.

So the seventeen Yeah, the former Super Dell of local television commercial famous now for chasing federal misdemeanor criminal charges for allegedly chasing and harassing an owl, an episode that apparently showed up on YouTube.

Is he chasing the owl on his hang glider.

Is a different misdemeanor.

Videos posted on YouTube last year showed a paraglider pilot chasing and kicking an owl.

It did not show the pilot's face, but was removed from YouTube after it went because of a copy red plane.

They're both flying, right.

We're gonna get sued by superte.

Oh my god, imagine that we're just reporting this is we're just we're reading from a.

Litter and he's actually an agent to silence us.

I wonder if he's in prison now, Wow, chasing an owl?

I know sometimes people's language in reporting is so psychotic because you got which came first?

Though?

Was he flying and the owl and he's like this?

Or was he jealous?

I didn't have to have a machine that she could fly?

What did you think he wants?

The figure of an owl swivels?

I love that those hips, Mama, big mama, when you're all the bus No first.

It seems like the owl one out in the end.

Good for the owl?

We don't know that.

Well, we've got a root for the owl in the situation gun.

I think the gun may have been a separate incident.

But it's so elmer fud, like I've gotta get a owl.

You ask owl, literally, at what point could you hunt it?

And owl's mid flight?

You just go to a tree?

Then, right, you don't need to meet them in the air.

They're going to win.

The gun things a separate incident.

This is someone whose life is totally in control.

I love that.

I'm sure his family is intact and everything's normal with super Dell.

I think we tried to go to his house as kids or it's like teens.

I think we tried to drive by his house.

How do it feel?

Felt incredible, but we didn't get to meet him or anything.

Did you feel like you were like weird?

Like it was scary.

If you're putting yourself in a local commercial, you're opening yourself to a lot of experience.

I hear that you're asking for it.

What you're saying, you're absolutely asking.

Okay, so you're on the record is saying one gay people are bad and you're asking for it.

On the side of the perpetrator.

This podcast is very pro.

Important messages today.

We're pro owl crime.

If someone is on your television, you are allowed to do whatever you want with them.

That's content to kill them.

The school is ringing its bell trying to drown out everything I'm saying right now.

Well, Super Dell, reach out.

You could get a book him to them.

It seems like the type that would be on this poster.

Do you know what I mean?

Oh, complete, this may be him.

It feels like that.

Oh my god, imagine.

Who knows we're going to have an episode that starts with this is a call from the Utah State uh Correctional Facility.

This is like like Cereal where it's like.

Finding Dell, or like yeah, going to Dell.

Yeah, okay, this Delta.

No wait, super my life is a living Dell.

Oh that's really good.

I'm thinking about like del into another word like Dell delightful.

Delightful, the Dell.

Lights of a murderer.

Deal with the Delvile.

Oh my god, it's really good.

That one's that one's really good.

Dell with the Devil, with the del If you go, why twice, del with the Devil.

It's just incomprehensible.

I love that totally.

It makes me so happy.

This is uh, it's get in touch with exactly right, the network can get the wheels rolling on my new podcast today or what for?

But this, yes, this is.

The true crime people are begging for.

If they didn't even know it was hanging in their.

Rooms staring at them the whole time.

Well, it was in your aunts storage shit.

A little bit maybe maybe protected, and I opened.

You've opened a door that we have to go through at this point.

What I like about this feeling right now is that I kind of don't have to go through.

It's kind of like I'm like, I'm Bilbo, I'm in a Ryvendale and I'm going go on your journey, go to more.

I'm good, you're going.

Bilbo had a pretty good deal.

He had the best deal.

He had all of the fun and they got to retire in the elf world.

Yeah.

Ringdale, Yes, Ringdale is the funniest thing you've ever.

Said, Ringdal, Ring riven Pale, riven.

Bridge, which I always couldfuse Riverdale.

I always say Rivendale, Wow, But calling it Ringdale, like it's like where you sell rings is so funny.

Yes, but the deal, yeah, sorry, I got excited for that.

This is I mean, now we're picturing super Dell with Elvin heres he's speaking Elvin.

He could give it l rond Are you howl?

Do you like fantasy at all?

I'm not super into it?

Okay?

Is there a number one for you?

Like a franchise of Not really?

No?

You know I love the Lord of the Rings movies.

Yeah, I like the books, but beyond that, I'm not super hardcore.

I think I could get into it.

I'm always looking as an adult, especially like I need a book that will just totally take over my life.

Are you a fantasy person?

Ah, I'm not written large like I'm not.

If there's a fantasy thing, I'm not gonna love it.

I have the nostalgia for like the things that I like.

I love Doctor Who, I love Lord of the Rings.

I was a big Harry Potter kid.

I like love the fantasy's space that I grew up with.

Right, But I don't think I'm necessarily like gonna be e psyched for anything.

It's hard to buy into a new fantasy world as an adult.

I think because you're also just like, oh, they're the same themes over and over again.

Right exactly.

And I've already imagined most of these things.

And the language is already in me to use it to this, right.

I read most of the I've read actually all of the Game of Thrones books.

You know, did you read pre the show coming on?

During the show?

Okay, And my big plaint with Game of Thrones has always been, let's throw in another creature.

You know, it's dragons, show up.

It's a little boring.

That's a really good critique, just because you're you're at the threshold of fas like you're just why not throw another.

Come on, there's got to be something else.

It's wild to look at.

That's an interesting Is.

There any other other than the the the White Walkers?

But those are kind of zombie going in a certain ways, right, there's is there any other creature in that world that's ultimately ultimately the author is not doesn't have much of an imagination, not a creative guy.

George Lewis made like a unicorn.

You've got a talking.

You've got all of the animals.

You just have some talking animals, the little bird that talks or something different.

Spec you're saying, el it's like a different species.

Come on, I don't know why he was so restrained with just dragons, like an sea creature?

What stands Game of Thrones.

Apart from everything, I think it's the language, like the sex, okay, a lot of sex, and you know, it's darker.

Than Flord the Rings fanfit.

Essentially if Lord of the Rings was embarrassed of how dorky it was and then tried to be a little bit more mature.

My god, that nuance is really good.

Yeah.

It had that.

It's a little bit of embarrassment and had.

That because it is what you're saying, where it's the slight performance of this is sexy, yes, and it's not exactly embodied right.

Not able to throw itself entirely into let's just have something with long pointy.

Years, yeah, or let them just fuck.

It's like and the circumstances make it so butter it's just don't have to fuck?

Okay, all right, buddy, Yeah, if that's your fan, Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

I've got I've got issues, I've got notes, and the series is not over.

So I feel like George R.

Or Martin Can he did the finish, he's still got two books to write.

He's uh, you know, it's I'm not a hardcore fan thing, god, but I feel like a lot of his fans are like mean to him at this point.

I feel like there was a video recently that he was at a conference and somebody like raised their hand and was like, are you going to ride it before you die?

Well, that can, I'd be really honest with you.

The whole wasn't the whole stick And like I remember hearing this in twenty eleven because I was at my Strathmore apartment in Boston and someone was like, do you know that he had to tell producers how it ends in case he dies before?

Okay, so we're like fifteen years later and my guys like, what are we doing?

What are we doing?

I'm not quite sure does he know how it ends?

That's the big question.

It's giving, like, oh I feel bad.

It's giving like it's going to be a big deal.

It's a big brother as a present, like he has no idea.

Nobody and uh.

I think people were really upset with how the TV series ended.

Really, I think they kind of absolutely dropped the ball in a lot of ways.

Wasn't he a part of that?

I think he kind of became less and less involved, Okay, and then it's just kind of a disaster.

That's tough.

People can't land the planes.

Yeah, it's hard to land a plane.

But it's the most important part because it affects the entire memory of the rime.

You know how you're going to land a plane before you get it in the air.

But some people get a little excited and just get going.

And then I feel like those books.

Actually, I think you read the first three and it feels like, oh, this could have just been it.

And then I think he got a little excited and just kept going.

It's tough.

Yeah, Well, is there anything left to say about our beautiful posters?

Do they feel inspiring to you?

Of course I've inspired three times.

Well, besides dude to find a killer.

I've got so much going on in my life.

Now.

I've got a new podcast I have to launch.

I have to track down the sky in prison or potentially deal with his lawsuits.

You have to avenge an owl.

I have to avenge.

I may have to learn learn to hang glide.

Okay, I'm just happy.

I want you to be inspired.

I'm thrilled about these.

I'm going to put these back in the tubes so I can access my computer.

Here.

You good luck, because I'll be honest.

I had to read fope to get those all into one this morning, not last night.

Literally, you should see me with a little roll and then I had to tighten the other one and go.

So good luck.

They were very neatly wrapped.

I was impressed.

Well, I think we should play a game.

I can't wait.

We're gonna play a game called Gift or a Curse.

But I need a number between one and ten from you.

Nine.

Okay.

I have to do some like calculating to get our game pieces right now so you can promote, recommend, do whatever you want.

I'll be right back.

Okay, Hello, Quti Bears, it's just me now.

Wow, things are going to be a little different from now on.

Okay, I'm kidding.

You could listen to my podcast Worse They with Mofi Passic Good get production.

Listen where you listen.

It's very fun.

I interview people about their creative process.

I'd like to talk more abstractly instead of wake up the morning pages more like you know that song you listen to when you're seven, maybe inspired you to then learn how to listen to music different that sort of stuff.

Love you, You're perfect in every way.

I bet you looked in the mirror today or you didn't, And I want you to look through my eyes and guess what I'm looking at the best personal live and it's you.

I'm still chilling here.

I think I promoted me.

I'm cool butt it.

I hate to cut some that was so beautiful and lovely.

Everyone go listen to most podcasts.

I hope and I can't wait to hear your process.

I opeen to get to break down and break it down.

With you, break it down.

I would love to and yes, I would love that because it's Look at this rain.

People need to know.

It's the type of rain that's like a seattle wash.

Like it's like a subtle.

It's so soft.

Yeah, I really love it.

It's kind of at an angle.

Yeah, it's not pounding, and we might hear it on the mic.

Maybe hopefully the listener will be able to enjoy a little bit of that rain.

We're taking to Hawaii.

Yeah, we're off to Hawaii.

We're on our hang gliders.

We're chasing on the owl to the islands.

Okay, this is how we play gift or a Curse.

I'm going to name three things.

You'll tell me if there are a gift or a curse and why then I'll tell if you're right or wrong, because there are correct answers.

All right, speaking of curses.

Speaking of curses.

Yeah, first one is from a listener named Caitlin Gift or a curse speakerphone.

To be on the phone a speaker yes, curse?

Why?

Okay?

Well, first of all, I don't want to put my little grubby phone to my ears, so I don't.

I don't want to be doing that.

And so you're thinking, great, it's a gift, and no, it's not at all, because it's a curse.

Because acoustics into space, people sharing the info you're around.

It's also that sort of like people in an uber that get on their speakerphone and I'm like, there's a stranger right here.

There's a stranger right here, and I like and part of me is going like, do you want them to hear the contacts on the other side of your car?

I don't.

I don't like it.

That's okay, correct?

Yes, correct, Yeah, you're nailed it.

I mean it seems like it should really work.

Right.

This is the thing with speakerphone for me, and I've only realized this in the past couple of years.

It makes me mad at whoever I'm talking to because the sound it's loud, it's obnoxious sounding, it's tinning, and it puts me on edge with whoever i'm talking to.

Neeled it it's like, it's not that the intimacy of putting it to your ear, it's this, uh, I don't know, it feels like they're yelling at you.

Well then you physically like almost going to cover the phone because it's like it just feels it doesn't feel like it's for you.

It is opening the space up and they're not there.

Right.

Yeah, yeah, it's uh not for me.

It's helpful to clock the anger because I sometimes it is like.

There's something like subconsciously that's happening you're hearing.

It's the noise is making you a little edgy.

I think what it's like when someone's phone's breaking up and it's like we're breaking up and I know it's not their fault, but I'm.

Like, yeah, it's the exact thing, so we've got to They should just remove that feature from phones.

I love that, love that black and white think.

Yes, all right.

The second one is from a listener named Colin Gift her a curse Milkshakes.

Collin spills up with two l's a little freak, Yeah, I felt it all right, Well, a gift for a curt Okay, Milkshakes, I'm uncomfortably going to say gift.

Why, I don't want to say gift, but it is.

Milkshakes are a gift because listen, in a world of cookies and brownies and cakes and frostings, those that world, in a world of that, right, milkshake is this psychotic thing.

And I'm Midwestern, like you're gonna have a dairy with the dairy, with the dairy.

It's this thing where it's like sometimes you can order it as you're drink with your burger at certain places, but sometimes it can be like a long sort of dessert that's personal that you don't have to share.

It's not like sharing ice cream, which is disgusting because it's like, I'm sorry, like the suspension of your spit and that creamy, viscous fluid and then I'm just disgusting.

So and it's personal.

So despite feeling like anyone being bloated and drinking that much dairy is a curse to be around, I do think they themselves are gifts.

Well, first of all, before I even get to my answer.

You really landed on something here with sharing dairy with another person.

Let's talk, there's something so I'll let somebody like drink my water, drink my soda whatever, but if, like, if there's a dairy element to the drink, it's got to be in a separate glass.

Right.

Yes, it feels so dirty.

It's disgusting, and I think it's because the viscosity.

Yeah, it makes that's exactly what's happening.

It's disgusting.

It's taking the spit right into it and becoming part of the beverage.

It's and you could even see it's like, oh, it's brutal so like intimate, yes, in a way where I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, no.

No, yes, there's wow.

You really I've always wondered why I felt like that was such a weird thing to do.

Had you felt that, Yeah.

Well, unfortunately you're wrong.

I know it was.

I love a good milkshake, but we've got to land on a consistency for milkshakes.

Consistency is your issue.

I'm often you'll order a milkshake and you'll be served a thing you cannot drink.

You're if it comes with a spoon.

This is not to me a milkshake, and that needs to be either classified as something else or the restaurant.

You're like humiliatingly sucking down the.

Herd and I just don't.

I feel like I could never count on a milkshake unless I know and trust the place and so and then I feel like a lot of fast food places are kind of cheaping out on the milkshakes.

There would be a crummy ice cream, and I want them to be as good as possible, and it's a it's a big investment in a dessert.

The unspoken here, though, is like the constant attempts you're making and having a milkshake experience that not a lot of people are doing.

And there's such an endearing adoration of milkshakes in that because not all of us are trying and going.

You wouldn't believe the amount of milkshakes I drink also kind of like absolute poison for your body, the amount of ice cream you're consuming when you're drinking a milkshake.

I remember one time we went it was like it was God, it was like sixth grade and this like it was when they were starting.

To introduce calories on menus, and I looked, and I was so confused.

I think it was like Ruby Tuesday, because I had gotten like we'd gotten before, which is the case ida as an advertiser.

And then of course I got in like a burger or something, and then I gotten like Manzarelli sticks, and then I got I love this course I was an athlete.

And then I got my own big like milkshake.

I remember the milkshake was two thousand calories, and my brain was like, wait, that's all I'm just to have in a day.

Wait a minute, Oh no, it's like you probably shouldn't be having that is the drink.

It's truly like emergency recovery foods.

It's like that should only be served in hospital for people are like, we've got to get something into this body.

And then having one a week.

You're having one a week.

Oh my god, you really love milkshakes.

I love milkshakes.

Wait, my heart's broken that it's a curse though.

That's when I get a bad one.

I'll say, like in and out their milkshakes no good.

Okay.

Is it because of their firm No.

It's because they're there.

It's the flavor.

The flavor is not right.

The chocolate doesn't taste like chocolate.

Yeah, actually because malts.

That's not get into molts.

Oh yeah, it's a whole other category.

But people think that's chocolate.

Malt is not chocolate.

It's not.

It's going to add a layer to a chocolate, sure, but you simply can't think it's a chocolate.

I think you would respect.

Have you ever been to a Culver's.

I've been to one culver Is a long time ago, and it was kind of depressing inside.

I don't know, people love you're speaking demon language.

I have no idea.

It's one of the best plays on Earth.

It was like perfectly clean everything, but there was a sadness in the air.

Mister Dell was in the corner.

Maybe I was just so.

Maybe I was too excited to try because I had heard such good things about the milkshake.

Or maybe I go to your home and there's happiness.

But I'm in a culver Is my whole life.

But it's very successful in the Midwest.

I don't think it's expanded much.

Well, they've made it to Utah.

Oh good for them, which I believe is the inter Mountain West.

Yeah, it's just a spread because they have what I think you might respect is something called concretes concrete where it's like technically.

The milkshake, but in the offer milkshakes as well.

Center.

But they're telling you the consistency.

Yes, this is the concrete you eat with a spoon.

Yes.

And I like that they're communicating that.

They're not saying this is a milkshake.

Right, because that happens a lot miscommunication.

Well, and on the East Coast it gets even more confusing because they often call them FRAPs.

That's the worst friendlies does that?

Just where did the word what?

It's so weird.

It's so weird, right because that has kind of been co opted by Starbucks.

And you also don't literally it's probably based on the blender and nobody presses frap for that.

You're not even frapping it.

I think you only frap an orange Julius.

Say the fuck that.

That's a amazing truth.

The only thing that you should be frapping, don't know it's Julius.

I love that.

Do you like the sidecar.

Oh with a milkshake?

Yeah?

I love it.

It's a little icy to get even more of the tastes.

Yeah, that one's really good.

Where are you getting that these days though?

In Utah, I know leather Bees.

Sorry what it's called leather Bees?

And I thought you said leather beast, leather bet.

That's a whole like, no, you shouldn't go there versus dark.

It's a very dark bar in Utah, serves milkshake.

Sounds an incredible cologne.

It's called leather Bees.

It's a very family friendly restaurant with terrible overhead lighting.

And it took from Apples No way.

Wait what about apples bees Bees?

Oh b y b y apostrophe.

Yes, it's maybe a family name.

But they serve an excellent milkshake.

But they need to turn down the lights everybody.

You go in there and you're like, oh, we all look terrible.

But is it a fast food place.

It's more of a like a little scream parlor.

Okay, you have a waiter.

Okay, so just.

Turn off the overhead lights and get a few lamps.

We're taking a small business.

They can take it all right.

Well, you've gotten one right, one wrong.

Okay, this is the final one.

If I can get into my computer here.

I know I got one wrong.

We have to believe me.

I am a very good student as well, I have high IQ.

Here comes Bonnie.

Bonnie is entering the picture for a moment.

Bonnie, she must be desperate to come out.

She's entering trying to get the recording equipment.

Oh oh, thank you.

Bonnie is trying to turn mow into a toy as well.

I got to scrunchy on.

That's very toy esque.

Oh wow.

The interactions that community the world is having with us.

Right now in the fine and they want to join in.

Huh.

Super Dell is going to land in his a glider and shoot me.

Also, the intro to your thing is go and go.

He's gonna come in his egg.

Wow.

If he's not in prison, he should do the parody.

Imagine.

Oh wow.

I was just kind of.

Like, what I feel that, Super Dell.

Okay, well let's see here.

We'll wait for.

What Bonnie after?

Who's she named after?

Just we like the name I wanted to name.

I actually wanted to name her Ronnie, after Ronnie Specter because I love, but Jim didn't want her.

Our last dog at Edie was frequently called Eddie, and Jim's like, she's a little girl and she wants her to be a little girl.

For reason, Bonnie, and Bonnie's a sweet name.

Because there's so many good associations.

It's fun.

Oh yeah, a lot of good Bonnie's and I think it means beautiful, Oh does it?

Baby?

Yeah?

Honlys is basically confirming experiencelander.

That's all you need.

Also, my friend, I have a I have a fake Dalmatian in my house and he's named bone Chance Eddie because b o any chance good luck and then so it's bone Bony could be sometimes as a fun yeah, just pitching on some really incredible stuff.

Here, give me that curse.

Yes, all right?

The final one or two different people submitted this Hannah and Kristen gift to a curse.

Foaming hand soap.

Hannah and Kristen, okay, girls, you should get talk to colin Foaming hand soap.

I would identify it as a gift.

I understand people think, what is it like?

It's not a nitrates.

It's the word in all those shampoos.

Now, you can't fake I understand.

You know.

It couldn't get chaotic as well if you have no sort of portion control.

But it is identifying how much soap you do have any visual quick way, especially if you're in a like, if you're in like a coffee sho house, you don't you don't want to spend a long time washing or whatever.

You go, like, let me see you did it?

Get soap?

Yeah?

I got soap?

But this is I'm bad at context because are you talking about the one that goes automatically and gives you a.

Wisp of Oh?

Interesting?

I think it's all we know is it's a It ends up foam on your hand, and.

It doesn't start a foam.

It works into a form.

Well, whatever the little dispenser is doing, there's foam in there.

I don't know how foam.

Hence you're asking the wrong person.

I'm difficult, though, I like, I like in my whole life.

I'm like, I can't answer that because I don't really hire contact the podcast.

Literally they're like, do you like this?

I'm like, well, I don't know what day is it?

Uh?

We never talk again?

Delete the audio.

Foaming soap.

I hate him, Okay, I actually can you know what I say?

Because of this experience, because of this chaos.

Curse, curse.

Wrong, I know I felt it.

It's a gift.

The slimy stuff has gotta go.

Sure, it's I like either a foam or have you ever used the gritty powder?

That's awful.

That stuff's very interesting.

It's almost no, it's like almost like exfoliating.

I think it's more used like by mechanics.

Why are you well at my dad's work, there are mechanics there, and as a kid, you'd go in and use this powder and as a child has a beautiful citrus smell.

It was almost like rubbing sand all over your head.

But it makes sense because also it's oil and you have to absorb an oil agent with a.

Right yes, yeah, So the slime's gotta go.

We're done with the slime.

We're doing foam or grit only.

What do you have in your home?

Foam?

You do well?

Because here's my probably lying but foam.

I love that.

I support you lie to me.

But my thing is there is not a diversity, like if I want to get like a little chic like aceup sort of thing, they don't have a foamy agent.

Right, A doesn't do the phone?

Are do you think as a fancy soap or past ASoP?

Now as it's it's done, it's taking its place.

It's a boutique.

Oh really like very low yeah.

Because I think ASP was a part of the era of like the millennial outdoor versus soul cycle.

Yes, sweet green right, no longer like a symbol like.

It use it was a disposable income symbol.

Yes, So now people are like, we're over it.

And it can't stay in the same way like Loabo does because the labo's scent itself is unique and good.

Right where is AP is nice but just fresh?

Right?

Wow?

Do you like?

What do I like?

I kind of, I kind of don't have any particular favorites, to be honest, I'm trying to think.

I like a laugh and I like a a woodsy woodsy and citrusy sandal wood.

Yeah, I love that.

I like crazy about a tobacco.

I really like it.

Do you like a tobacco?

I laughed so hard I almost during this for a sale the tom Ford sent I like that they took forever to release.

It's like called black lacquer okay, and it's like smoke tobaccoly smell.

And then I put it in my cart.

It was like, this is like a volatile agent.

It will have to be ground delivered, it said, And I think it's probably just certain perfumes, but it reminded me of the scene in Anchorman when Paul Red's character.

You've never seen that movie.

I think you'd have fun.

I should give it a shot.

Are you of that?

Did you like that era of movies?

What are we talking about here?

The Appatael Farrell two thousand and five to twenty eleven vibes.

I'm up and down on them, but I feel like this one I might be into.

I think you're goofy.

It's very goofy.

But I think if you're into goofy, unless like I think other guys, is the starter kit for someone like you?

Oh okay, I liked other guys are liking other.

Okay, great, I think that's the good starter.

Yeah, but you were going to say the volatile agent.

Yeah, Well, Paul Red's character has like black panther, this like cent that they have to come.

It's like a bio agent essentially.

And the ladies love it.

Then they have to hose him.

Down, lie or something.

Okay, it's a tobacco flavor.

Well you got it's a curse or I mean it's a gift to whoop ooo everything.

I think we're all winning in the end, We're all God stayed in Oh my god.

What if this is the sort of a poster company.

Oh my god, and a podcast.

We're sitting on a gold mine here, my god, I'm sick.

All right.

I think we should answer a listener question.

We hope me answer question absolutely.

People writing in or sending voice notes to I said no gifts at gmail dot com.

This is Bridger and Guest.

I need your help.

I need to buy a gift for my ninety year old Croatian grandma.

You are it's perfect?

Wow, this is incredible.

Yes, she doesn't need any more clutter.

She can't really drive anywhere on her own anymore.

And I live far away and she will be upset if I spend too much on postage.

She always checks the postage and she is not tech savvy.

What should I do?

Please help?

And that's from Brassy, your Croatian.

Well, I so I literally know all these like yet one migrate out my rose?

Who those I belonged to the way Croatians love postage?

I have.

I have every postage.

Stamp from every era at every increment of money.

Do you think that is scarcity?

I don't know.

Interesting, but I think I have a perfect gift.

But I want you to pitch first.

Okay, it's no clutter, not tech savvy and hates expensive postage and no clutter.

I'm assuming because she already has nick nacks.

Galore of there, so it's got to be light yeah, small.

She's ninety, so I'm trying to think of something.

You know I got on this podcast recently, was a head massage or one of the ones that's made of all the little wires.

Nice, they're like so like a sensory.

Fantastic, except for at ninety can you reach now?

There is talking.

Use grandma and she's far away, so we don't quite know how far is she just far away, which so not creative.

And she doesn't like if you spend too much money on post right, so it can't be.

Too heavy, So we've got to assume maybe a dollar postage max.

That's crazy.

That's actually crazy that you can only write a letter.

Yeah, right, it's got to be a meaningful letter.

Well, okay, I can add to this, so I think one of you know, the lavender speaking of saying in Croatia, what we used to do in all of my great aunts and all my other aunts homes and closets is they would put they would press lavender and like almost like little popo rebags.

They would put it in every closet of Croatian lavender.

And so you'd find these little bags everywhere and like in the closets of Croatian lavender.

And so they could press lavender into like a book or something and just give that like creation lavender, right, or they could put it in like a little poop rebag that she could put in her closet and to have like the yesteryear smell.

Oh that sounds lovely.

It feels light descent.

Yeah, light easy.

If that's too much work, maybe a stick of gum.

Oh my god, that's so nice, easy peasy.

Because she doesn't have teeth, it doesn't hurt.

Send her a life saving.

Wait can I say something?

Yeah, I was listening to PREP.

I was listening to a podcast that you did on this podcast and you indicated at one point in your life you were having half a stick of gum, and I got I was listening with that's like, that's crazy, that's.

That's resourceful, because how do you does it disintegrate?

I'm not I'm buying the highest quality gum.

You're too rate like what like a two per hour like that was what the hell it worked for me.

I'm so glad it organically came up.

Worked for me.

I now that you're bringing it up in such a nasty.

Way, Yes, we are contentious, don't you forget it?

I might go back to half a stick.

Wow.

Although I'm no longer using stick gum, I'm using because I carry my gum in my purse and I hate when the uh sticks get out and go crazy and canteel on stuff worse, so I put it.

You know, I'm getting a dente ice, okay, And there's no true I mean, if I was choosing half of that, that would be crazy.

All the cops bite.

Fold it back up real nice, and it's a little tinfoil.

No.

I was doing a half piece for a long time and swallowing every piece of it.

I have a question, well, because my grandma was when she'd have a cigarette in the garage, we'd get a piece of gum, and if there's two of my sister and I right, she would split it.

I thought the Sheik thing to do.

If you have to split gum is to rip it when it's still in the foil, or do you rip it ah.

In the foil.

Absolutely, snap it in half, snap it like, fold it in half and then rip.

So it's nice and even like you're like your bum loose leaf.

Yes, exactly exactly, And now I can't wait to restart my life as someone who choose half a piece of gum.

But I like it because it's kind of intimate for me because I know you're doing it in resistance to me.

Yeah, exactly, every time there will just because I'll be chewing an anger violent.

Okay, well I think the potpourri or again half, Now we're downgrading half a piece of gum in an envelop and maybe just quick love your grandma.

Yeah, and then she can't.

I mean, if the grandma complains, she's created this trap for herself.

I off the complaints.

I think it's a grandma because you can write a letter.

What if you tried to write a letter in like her native ties.

I think effort and into thoughtfulness when you can't have weight or tech right, or like maybe a posted card from a place she used to be, like, did you just have the thing nostalgically right?

You should a restaurant she liked to go.

You're trying to bring this grandma to tears.

Yeah, they need to feel.

They got a lot of war in their blood.

Yeah, they got to cry it out.

I'm happy to do that.

Well, I think the grandma's going to be happy.

I hope to ruin a grandma's birthday.

That's fine.

She didn't care.

She said she spent her enough.

Yes, she forgot.

I think you're too much.

Well, we answered the question perfectly.

I have three gorgeous posters, and I've had a lovely time with you.

I'm truly having the time of my life.

And look now I have to send you home in the rain.

I've had is devis.

I didn't bring up Brella.

I'm sorry.

I do have an umbrella.

Maybe I'll go grab it and bring take you to your car.

Would you like that?

That'll me kind of nice.

Well, let's end the podcast.

The listener in the podcast is over.

We've got to deal with the rain.

I love you, goodbye, I said no Gifts is an exactly right production.

Our senior producer is on Alisa Nelson, and our episodes are beautifully mixed by Ben Tolliday.

The theme song is by miracle Worker Amy Mann, and we couldn't do it without our booker, Patrick Cottner, you must follow the show on Instagram, and I said, no gifts.

That's where you're going to see pictures of all these wonderful gifts I'm getting.

And don't you want to see the gifts?

But I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear.

When you're I.

Guess to my home, you gotta come to me empty.

And I said, no guests.

Your presences presents enough that I already had too much stuff.

So how do you

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