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12-31-25 KOA Sports Hour 2 with Benjamin Allbright

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Speaker 1

With us of course for the game on Sunday our covers starting at eight am with Benjamin albrighton Zach Seegers for Broncos warm up.

Speaker 2

We'll see how much you.

Speaker 1

Guys decided to preview the Chargers side of things, which usually the case for Broncos warm Up.

But then we'll get into the opening line, which is always fun, kind of go over the games and then yeahs Fantasy Hour, which would be different because always playing Fantasy.

At that point most leagues are not playing Fantasy.

But we'll find a way to do something.

Speaker 2

We'll bring the energy.

We'll free the energy five six six.

Speaker 1

Nine zero again our KOA commins free health text line.

Somebody send us a listener email here, Charles, send us an email here, says question for Broncos hosts to address on air.

All right, you're ready for this.

With all the game films available, opposing teams can break down Bonux passing attempts into completion rates for straight dropbacks, roll out right and left, stepping up in the pocket while rushers are pushed behind him and broken plays without seeing this actual data, I'm only going to go with one of my eyes.

Tell me in every game, stepping on the stepping up in the pocket appears to be his worst completion rate.

Speaker 2

Followed by rolling left.

Speaker 1

Wouldn't that be in an opponent's strategy then to force him to step up in the pocket and roll left.

Speaker 2

He's had some explosives going left, so I don't know in some of those.

Speaker 3

You know, some of those plays, like for instance, one of the big plays that was that everything will drop when.

Speaker 2

He went to his left.

Bo I, I see him going to his left, and I see him having success.

I would I would dispute that claim there.

Speaker 1

I've seen him step up in the pocket and run to the line and get.

Speaker 2

Some success there too.

Speaker 3

I would suggest that if if teams believe that, I don't have the hard data in front of me, but anecdotally, I would suggest you probably don't want him going to his left because either taking off and running or big plays have been there over the course of the season.

Speaker 2

That's not to say the art missus.

Speaker 3

I would say that the way to beat bo Nicks is to take away the first read, take away the shallow, take away the dump, and then force him to lift his eyes and go down the field.

And that's the sort of interesting because that's kind of an antithesis.

Speaker 2

Of how teams defend.

Right.

Teams defend and take away.

Speaker 3

They do take away your first read in a lot of ways, but Bose early reads is in his early instinct is to get rid of the ball quickly.

Right, So if you take away the underneath, and just to point this out there, it's the way the Chargers play defense.

Speaker 2

They play a compressed quarters, right.

Speaker 3

They push everything down that you basically have to go to the flats or buy enough time to get to get that post over the center.

And the Texans exploded that earlier in the last game.

So to go back to the question, I don't know.

If teams believe that, then yes, what they would try to do is bring a rush from one side and push you to one side.

If they believe that that's the way to do that.

I don't believe pushing Bow to his left is your best method to beat him.

I don't believe is either.

Speaker 2

And it reminds me a little bit.

Speaker 1

The question reminds me of something almost in basketball, where it's like if a guy is very good with hey, once he gets into his right hand or once he gets to a certain you know, spot in the paint, you don't want to let him post up on you.

Speaker 2

You don't want to.

Speaker 1

You don't go this way, So you try to do everything you can defend him a way where he can't get to the other hand.

In this Michigan scored and Ben gets all excited here, you want to do everything you can to make him play with his offhand.

So in this case that would be with Bonnicks.

If there, if they believe that he struggles in those facets, then yeah, I mean, you're you're gonna try to allow for or bait him into doing the thing that he is weakest.

Dat But I anecdotally and maybe Zach Seekers who tends to be the king of stats, can look those kinds of things up.

But I don't know anything off the top of my head, and I have more to your point.

I have more positive recollection of him running to the line and finding some success because he tends to bring in the linebackers who are out there in coverage because they have to now suddenly make a decision and cover him or and allow him to maybe scramble, or they got to stay with their man.

And most of the time they have they get split, they get stuck in the middle.

Speaker 3

Well and a lot of what the Broncos have played this year has been zone.

So you have a linebacker, it's already facing the quarterback.

When you see him step up, then it becomes your responsibility to vacate zone and plug the you.

Speaker 2

Know, the gap that he's trying to get out of.

Speaker 3

So, I you know, I don't know to answer to answer the email question, I don't know.

Generically, if you feel a player has a weakness, you're going to try to commit to him becoming that, so overloading one side and try to push into one side, or you know, mush rushing one side versus actively blitzing another side.

But I don't know that I agree with the claim that him stepping up or moving to his left is his weakness.

I think taking away the early the early stuff underneath and forcing him to sit there and use his brain to decipher the field has.

Speaker 2

More or less been his weakness.

Speaker 1

I completely agree, and especially some of those hot routes or the flat routes, some of the quick stick routes out.

Speaker 3

The whip, the flat, all that kind of stuff that, yeah, take those things away, although honestly that's what the chargers give you.

Speaker 2

Has been the success.

Speaker 1

I don't think this touchdown is going to stand for Michigan.

I think you touched the pylon with it in his hand, and then it came out and a lot of people on Twitter thinks it's gonna be a touch back.

Speaker 3

I mean, you know, the initial angle that I saw look like if he touched the pylon with possession.

Speaker 2

It's a touchdown.

I'm just thinking maybe you celebrated a little early on that.

Speaker 1

I've never been known to drop the ball before I crossed the goal line.

Speaker 2

I'm just saying people, I'm handed to the rough guy.

Okay, we will uh, we'll move on.

Speaker 1

So I brought up the quote from Sean Payton earlier about New Year's Eve and how he didn't know it was New Year's I pulled the audience.

Speaker 2

I told you that's coming back.

It's coming.

That's gonna a touch backs, moving before the pilotine, the reverse angle clinches it.

Speaker 4

Yep.

Speaker 2

So this is pretty funny stuff from Sean.

And we played the.

Speaker 1

SoundBite just a little bit earlier about the expected crowd noise and the participation he wants.

Speaker 2

He says, no shell games.

Speaker 1

He doesn't doesn't want, doesn't want the uh, who'd you know?

Game or whatever.

Where are they now?

That type of stuff.

So here's what he said, because the question was about New Year's Eve, and if you have to tell your players, hey, be safe, to be smart when you're out there, if you go out tonight, And here's what he said.

Speaker 5

I didn't know it was New Year's Eve, the most overrated holiday, honestly, like seriously, I didn't.

I didn't know it was New Year's Eve.

And so and I do find what's interesting as we get older and you're coaching younger players, these guys are much more in tune to their bodies.

Today's generation doesn't drink as much.

They're in tune to their sleep.

You know, this time, you know, here we are finishing the I can think of maybe one player fine late to a meeting maybe where normally, you know, eight years ago, there'd be fifteen or but I'm glad you reminded me.

I don't know that I'm going to call an emergency team meeting.

But they've handled all this stuff, you know, tremendously.

Speaker 1

Wow, they did rule that a touchdown for Michigan.

Holy cow, I've stunned.

Speaker 6

How would you rule that?

Like, I bet as you get how would you rule?

He was the ball was moving by stunned.

Okay, I mean, I'll take it because I bet it.

But that is the wrong call right there.

You see it moving before it hits a pylon.

You have to have you can touch it.

If you touch it, it hadn't moved anyway.

Speaker 1

Oh my boys, you know there's gonna be an NFL resident jump to the colley.

Some compiracy conspiracy theories out there for that one.

Anyways, back to what he said right there, I think there's some some important stuff there, and he's talking about, you know, guys paying better attention to their bodies, being being more accountable, being on time to meetings, and I mean that that is culture, right, But that's the kind of culture you're building because that is, by the way, not consistent across the league.

We do hear examples with teams that have a problem with players showing up consistently, whether it's the Giants, the Dolphins there for a little while.

There are teams that you'll find out most of them out for the fact, and most time it's because they've been losing.

Speaker 2

And then all of a sudden that stuff comes to light.

But he brought it up.

Speaker 1

He's like, well, we we don't have that problem.

We don't have all those kind of guys.

We had out fortsight tho on I asked him what he's doing for New Year's He's like, eh, mang, I on my wife and watching films that didn't take.

It's a Wednesday nights.

You're in your twenties.

But hey, that's.

Speaker 2

Paraday Alex's forth.

I said, I'm doing the same thing.

Dude, Do I need to bring up your age?

And never mind?

I also the film I'm studying is not game film?

But oh my god, why did I Why did I try it?

You walked?

I do I need to bring up you?

Speaker 3

You fell right into my devious traps are God, I can't even admit it.

Speaker 2

No, I won't.

I can't.

Speaker 1

But that's a bit of the culture, right, I mean, that's what you build.

It's what you draft leaders, you draft captains.

Culture is just the standard, right.

Speaker 3

We use the word culture, we throw that around a lot, but the reality is is just the standard.

The standard is being on time, The standard is handling your business.

The standard is not getting in trouble, right.

And so if you if you swap out the word standard with culture, you start to get I think a clear picture on the way that the leadership and the with the team.

Speaker 2

Is bought into that vision.

Speaker 3

I think, yeah, well, you know, if I'm the wet blanket, that guy's wet toilet paper.

Speaker 1

Okay, we have the practice report you're in just a second.

Speaker 2

By the way, Texas just scored ye touchdown.

Yes, they did seventy five yards in nine places.

It's pretty good.

Deep deep any time left in the over is good.

So I'm good.

Speaker 1

Okay, Well then yeah, you've always got a yeah of course, Oh wes.

Speaker 2

To the practice for a second.

Speaker 1

But Zach Seegers and our crack staff, why is he wearing a lab coat because I requested it?

Okay, yeah, data scientist.

Well it's it's one of those deals.

Anybody can just produce a show, but can anybody produce a show lab coat?

Yeah, especially when we go to the crack staff, like, hey, we got to go to the data center and people trust a man in a lab coat that they do This tethoscope was a bit much, but you know whatever he brought that himself.

Speaker 2

I didn't have one of that.

I did get that.

Speaker 1

Listen, we we don't even have functional chairs.

Sometimes it's a stethoscope.

Speaker 2

Does that even work.

Is that a functional stethoscope?

It does.

Speaker 7

I'm now wondering are the safety goggles mandated or if I've been wearing these just for fun the whole time, because I've got raccoon rings every day coming home from work.

Speaker 2

Your girlfriend's like, what you do that?

You don't want to know?

You don't, You just don't.

I don't want to know.

It's an Eisenberg situation.

Speaker 1

It's that's right, it's pretty well allegedly it's for your safety and ours, Zach that you wear the goggles.

Anyways, continue now, we didn't need to turn my head and cough then.

Speaker 2

Really.

Speaker 1

We had a listener email moments ago asking us about bon Nicks and extending plays.

The listener says he thought that when Bonick scrambles to the left to throw or scrambles up the middle, that he tends to struggle, and he thought opposing defenses might force him to do that more often.

Speaker 2

If that is the case, where did you find.

Speaker 7

I can't find any splits on those different launch points, you know, where whether he's rolling left or pushing up the middle, but you can kind of swart by.

Speaker 2

Is he under pressure?

Is he holding the ball for a long time?

Speaker 7

Which that'll give you an idea for is he is he scrambling out of the pocket in one direction or another.

Speaker 2

And the listeners onto something.

Speaker 7

He is definitely worse than those moments, but most quarterbacks are so relative to the league, he's actually better.

On quick plays or quick throws where he's not under pressure.

He ranks thirteenth in EPA per drop back at point two four EPA per drop back.

On those longer throws where he is under pressure, he's at point oh two.

Speaker 2

That ranks ninth.

Speaker 7

So he is much worse, but relative to the rest of the league, he's a little better.

Speaker 2

So it's not something you might want to game plan around.

Okay, all right, thank you.

Now we know, and knowing is half the battle.

Speaker 1

I'm glad that is a comfortable lab code for you, though, because you know we do.

We do care about comfort around here, even if it looks awkward, sort of good degree universally.

Speaker 3

I I care that you're comfortable, but not enough to change the size or get you a better fitting one.

Speaker 2

No, it is it is a very underside his lab coat, right, big man.

Yeah, the farley right, the women's the buns are on the wrong side.

Oh no, it's just double breast of them.

Speaker 1

There's gonna go a time when hobby Boy references are dated.

You realize that, right, I think we passed that about ten years ago.

We probably are there, aren't we men of a certain era.

Speaker 3

They're gonna be like a certain era smoking was legal inside the studioscause.

Speaker 1

Chris Farley, Like we still talk about Chris Farley movies.

Yeah, so just an acknowledgment for myself.

The Broncos of practice report pretty pretty close to what I thought it would be.

We got Powers and Ben Powers and Corone Reid were both full.

Speaker 2

NATEA.

Speaker 1

Adkins, Pat Bryant, and John Franklin Myers were all limited.

John Franklin Myers, by the way, was limited in the last game against the Chiefs with a hip injury, and the drag Greenlaw was not practicing with a hamstring.

Speaker 2

Do you think they sent him for this game.

I believe they will.

Speaker 1

I think anybody that honestly, the Broncos, anybody you've had extensive injury, you should probably sit for.

Speaker 3

This game, even though it's a playoff game.

Yeah, well, it is in the sense that you have to win this game.

I think if you get out to the lead, in the second half, you sit Ben Powers.

Speaker 2

I think you sit Mike McGlinchey.

I think you know.

I don't think you played for a green Law.

Speaker 3

You've had such a rotating carousel of guys that have been hurt at the inside backer position, whether it's Beinster or not, or Singleton or green Law.

Speaker 2

I think you just try to get that, get that healthy, and go with it from there.

Okay.

Speaker 1

Yeah, it's fascinating because the way you're talking about this game is vastly different than the way I feel about it.

Okay, but I think that's in part because of the way this team is played everybody, which is close everybody and to a certain extent where you play them like, I'm not going to show anything either.

We don't have to so empty the playbook to win this game.

It does you From the Broncos, I don't They don't think you approach it that way.

I think the Chargers you approach it that way because you're gonna be on the road and you might have to come back to den Heure.

Speaker 2

The Broncos, you do what it takes to win this thing.

Speaker 3

You don't don't worry about it when it comes time to the you know, the playbook, and I don't think Sean Payton, who, by the way, the league has what two decades of tape on I don't think Sean Payton came.

Speaker 2

I think Sean Payton believe he's.

Speaker 3

Got, you know, sixty plays that will all work if it's just executed properly.

Speaker 2

I don't think he's worried about trying to hide his hand.

Okay, you interested.

Speaker 1

You mentioned something very interesting that I want to talk about a little bit.

On the other side, we'll also get into the games that happened over the weekend, what matters coming up this next weekend.

Speaker 2

And I got to ask you about some of the so drama coming.

Speaker 1

Out of the New England Patriots and what might matter there.

We'll get to it next.

I think making the case that as he puts Texas up thirty eight twenty seven over.

Speaker 3

Michigan, a lot of people deleting a lot of tweets about Artomatic from earlier.

Speaker 2

In the year, as they should.

I was so obnoxious people dunking on this kid.

Speaker 1

I mean, maybe there's a little bit too much as far as the bless sure and the expectation because of his last name, that's possible, right, and he's playing in Texas.

I mean this is you know, there's a bit of a bulls eye there, but at the same time, allow him to develop.

Right, this is the first starting season at Texas in the SEC, for crying out loud.

So I agree that there were some people that were expecting right out of the gates for him to look like a generational talent almost immediately.

But allow him to develop.

And now he's playing at a very high level.

You're thinking about next year Texas, Texas gonna make a real run.

Speaker 3

Legitimately, Yeah, in Arch would be the number one quarterback he comes out next year, which you know we'll see.

I mean, the Mannings tend to stay in school.

They don't need the money.

They the nil money comes rolling in and may like twelve millions and they get the refs, I mean the repscuse me.

So there, Yeah, that's exactly what you did there.

Before we hears some of the sound from around the league.

You brought up an interesting point.

Speaker 1

So if you're the Chargers, right, you've clearly mapped out your path here.

You're already locked into a playoffs spot.

You're gonna be resting not only your quarterback, probably some players there's maybe they're not gonna.

Speaker 3

Be resting anybody, but if there's been, if they've been injured, they're they're probably not gonna play if they're an injury recovery a little bit.

I know it's minutia there, but it's actually like for sources like that's that's or that's how they're doing things.

Okay, fine, So like Derwin James is not gonna play, Khalil Mack, Bradley Boseman, those guys are gonna play.

Speaker 1

Okay, all right, so they've been they do, it'll be very limited.

So right, if you've been injured, you're probably not playing it.

Speaker 2

But again you're not you're not playing this.

Speaker 1

Game with the intention to win it, right.

I mean, if they win, so be it.

But I don't think they care.

Yeah, the message being sent when you when you announce your starting quarterback, I said at the beginning of the show.

The message is said, when you announce your starting quarterback isn't playing in this game.

We're gonna do everything we can to play a good game.

But at the same time, that's not the most important thing for us.

The most important thing for us is to be as healthy as we can be heading into the postseason.

Correct, Yes, if you're the Chargers, that is what their goal is here is to be as healthy because they know they're on the road all postseason.

Speaker 2

That's their goal.

Speaker 1

Okay, So the next thing I want to bring up on top of that, so I just want to make sure we're on the same page without getting into the minutia.

Speaker 2

So then you.

Speaker 1

Said something that was interesting because if you end up being the seventh seed, which at this point, if everything plays out the way we sort of think it is, the Bill's going to win, the Texans is probably gonna win, Jacks are probably gonna win.

Speaker 2

If those things all play out the way they do.

Speaker 1

Then the Charge and the Chargers lose, then the Charges will be the seventh seat, which means they're going to play the New England Patriots and wildcard weekend.

But then you brought up the next point about how if they win that game, and they obviously think they can win that game, if you're playing everything to be the Patriots, you think you can win that game, that means you're gonna be right back here in Denver in the divisional round.

Speaker 2

So how does that factor.

Speaker 1

Into what you show and what you put out there in this game, and how does that for hom really for both sides.

Speaker 2

I don't think it does.

I don't think.

Speaker 3

I mean, I think if you are the Chargers, you're not tipping your hand at all.

Obviously at this point you're gonna train Lands out.

Speaker 2

There, and you're just not tipping your hand.

Speaker 3

I think if you are the Broncos, I don't think they care.

Sean Payton is not.

I mean again, Shawn's playbook has not appreciably changed in twenty years.

It's pretty much the same stuff.

I mean, nearly add new wrinkles here there, you know, each year, but it's pretty much the same core concepts that it's always been.

Speaker 2

And he believes that he's.

Speaker 3

Got a solution in every play and if it's executed properly, that there you go.

And you know, to be fair to Sean, Sean's one of the better play designers in the NFL.

I don't necessarily like some of his sequencing.

I think you fill the ball too much.

Whatever, you know, I've had.

Speaker 2

Complaints whatever, those those are what they are.

Speaker 3

But I believe that he believes that he's got, you know, a playbook that believes that it's got solutions built in every play and it doesn't matter what you do because there's solution built.

Speaker 1

In every play.

Okay, So I don't think they view it that way.

The Chargers, they're not going to show anything anyway.

But and Jim Harball, I don't think he's worried about it.

He's you know, I mean, he has one career loss to Sean Payton.

It was the last second field goal back when it was the Saints and the Niners.

I think Harball thinks he's got a pretty good beat on what Sean Payton does.

Speaker 3

And if they come back around in a couple of weeks and have to play here, I think they feel confident.

Speaker 2

I think both sides feel confident what they do.

Speaker 4

Well.

Speaker 1

The last thing here before we listen to some sound, I want to ask you about the Patriots situation.

So you have the Christian Barmore stuff that came out today, you have the Sewan dig stuff that came out yesterday.

Mike Rabel when he spoke with the media more or less said, you know, we got to wait for all the information, the type of thing they're preparing for this game, you know, so on and so forth.

Speaker 2

Is there anything in the immediate because.

Speaker 1

Ian Rappaport, I guess brought up the exemption list potentially for Stefan Diggs in a report today.

So is there anything in the intermediate time frame that might impact something with the patriots with these I don't believe so, And I you know, I've talked to Ian a little bit.

Speaker 2

I don't believe so.

Speaker 3

I think, you know, Stefandig's lawyers are pushing for this to be a March and with the court and everything else, I think he's gonna I think they're going to get it that this this is not gonna be adjudicated till March.

Speaker 2

You can't do it till all the facts are in that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3

Obviously, if you look hard enough, you can find the text messages between Stefan and and the UH person, the accuser, and those are not very flattering for Stefan.

Speaker 2

I'll just leave it at that now.

Obviously those could be edited.

Speaker 3

She could have deleted some of her own responses in that particular situation.

Speaker 2

But I will say what is out there publicly.

Yeah, I know, I can't see me rolling my eyes on the on the radio.

Speaker 3

I'm trying to tap danswer allegedly portions of it.

So I don't think it's gonna affect him in the planets.

I think Broncos fans are wish casting that he's going to be well, I'm not sure I'm saying Broncos because I've seen some Broncos fans reaction.

Speaker 2

I'm like, you guys are wish casting here.

Speaker 1

Like at the end of the day, they're not really gonna, you know, put them on the example list unless something earth showering comes out and there's not anything in that regard.

No, I it doesn't feel like I was talking with with uh with Zach earlier about this.

It's just it doesn't feel like you're instead of press then if you're the NFL, if you're Roger Goodell.

Speaker 3

Here was just wildly different than when Sheriff Rodge came into the NFL.

Right, remember when it used to be I do part of this part of the thing, Like he almost can't do a lot of this stuff because of the new CBA where they got rid of his arbitrary powers or did I say the new CBA CBA two cbas ago where they got rid of his arbitrary powers of I can Willy Nelly suspend you for whatever?

And just you know, make stuff up and you're you're suspended, which you know he came in the league one back when the like the Chris Henry stuff and you know the Bengals back.

Speaker 2

Then and all that.

Speaker 3

That just we live in a different era now and now you have to have you basically have to have a guilty verdict or a no contest plea in order for the commissioner to be able to do that.

Speaker 2

Okay, are you ready to listen to some sound?

Speaker 1

Sure?

Speaker 2

In this last weekend?

Speaker 1

All right, we started with the Baltimore Ravens getting an important win.

Speaker 2

I want to talk to you about the AFC North.

What's gonna happen?

Speaker 4

There?

Almost left to Derrick Henry.

Ricard a big block and he cuts it up the left side.

It spreads easily into the end zone.

Touchdown Rrick Henry twenty six yards.

He has broken two hundred on the day.

Speaker 2

He has tied his career high with four t ds and.

Speaker 6

Is forty to twenty four on Derrick.

Speaker 2

Henry Day and live both of you.

Speaker 1

Shohn Sadak with Westwood one not Derrick Henry is man.

Speaker 2

He is unbelievable when he gets going.

Speaker 1

He had over Olost fifteen hundred rushing yards of the season.

Speaker 2

Like the Baltimore Ravens have not.

Speaker 1

Been a very good team, He's still got to fifteen hundred rushing yards in the sixteen touchdowns and a lot of it coming here late.

Baltimore Ravens are favored in this game ben the Steelers losing to the Browns, the Ravens winning over the weekend, and suddenly in a winner take all.

This really is a winner take all moment Sunday.

Speaker 2

All layoff game.

Yeah, because because.

Speaker 1

The other one between the Panthers and Bucks is actually weird, Like it's a Falcons win.

Speaker 3

It doesn't matter, you know, if the Falcons win that game, it's to be the Panthers.

Speaker 2

Either way, So so weird.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that's super so kind of a bummer, like because we love the drama.

Speaker 2

So but this one, winner take all, what do you got?

Speaker 1

I'm going with Pittsburgh reluctantly because they're home, because they're home, and the Ravens have some a lot of internal stuff going on right now.

I tried to hint at this a couple of weeks ago, I talked about the Insider segment with Dave Logan.

Speaker 2

The situation is coming to a.

Speaker 1

Head with Lamar and Harball and I'm not sure who's gonna lose here, but there's a lot of internal stuff going on there that they're trying to work their way past and just.

Speaker 2

Have have not had a great job doing.

Speaker 3

Henry Eric Henry always goes better at the end of the yearverybody else is banged up, and he's like, yeah, I'm you know, I'm not, so I'm gonna get better.

It's I'm novacaine.

Just give it time out of work, you know.

So, Dereck Henry always gets better as the year wears on, just because everybody else wears down and he's built like a you know what doesn't But.

Speaker 1

You think the Pittsburgh Seios win this game, I'm gonna go with Steelers in this one.

Yeah, either coach still with their team or both.

Speaker 2

I'm going to lean toward Tom and still with the Steelers.

Speaker 3

Maybe one more year.

Okay, something's going to happen in Baltimore.

Harball or Lamar won't be there and I'll leave it at that.

Speaker 2

Wow, there you go.

That's that would be a center.

Mike get moved up.

Speaker 3

To the front office in a consulting role.

I'm doing air quotes in studio.

You can't see it.

Speaker 2

Lamar could be traded.

One of those guys won't be there next year.

Speaker 1

We'll speaking of quarterbacks that we're gonna have our eye on, and wonder if he's gonna be somewhere else.

Speaker 2

Joe Burrow took down your Arizona Cardinals in the eight yard line.

Shotgun snap, Burrow fires toward.

Speaker 8

The end zone.

Speaker 2

Hot hot, slap to Jamar Chase.

Speaker 4

He's got his second touchdown catch of the day and he does a jungle jump into the stands to celebrate.

Speaker 2

I feel you can call it that.

Speaker 1

Dan Forth Dave laugh on me since he's ESPN fifteen thirty of the Bagels Radio Network on the call.

So he took down your Arizona Cardinals.

First of all, Jonathan Gan and where are we at safe?

And then the Cardinal has been soft tanking?

Speaker 3

Okay they have, by the way, the Arizona Cardinals who've had ridiculous injuries all year.

He had the twelfth toughest schedule in NFL history.

Speaker 2

That division's really like DVOA this year.

I mean, it's a really good division.

Speaker 1

And then they you know, all the fourth place teams got good, but you're not.

But you're not competitive in a very good division.

They were competitive until the injury started.

You know, they were losing games.

Speaker 3

But in fact they had that run of like six games where the lost the ball by like a point.

Yeah, and then you know, the injuries, the wheels fell off, and that that's sort of what happens, especially when you're a rebuilding team that doesn't have the depth.

Speaker 2

At all to do that.

Speaker 3

So Zach Taylor's he back, Yeah, probably, and that's only because Cincinnati's cheap and they signed him to a deal.

Speaker 2

Quietly that you know, nobody's talked about.

Joe Burrow's he back.

Yeah, Okay, Burrow is back, By the way.

Speaker 1

It was an interesting press conference today because he was asked Miles Garrett looking for the record, and he was asked about whether or.

Speaker 2

Not that's gonna be.

Who knows you saw that?

Speaker 1

Huh yeah.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

It was like, oh boy, you are kind of setting this thing up, aren't you.

Yeah, you're gonna be.

You're gonna be Farve.

He's like, sometimes you just take a sack.

It's it's the best play.

Yeah to do.

Were like, I'm like, oh boy, you know, it's.

Speaker 1

So funny because we had great I was talking to Great about it yesterday and he was like, no way, Cincinnati would never allow that.

And then you hear Joe Burrow being like, maybe this happens.

Speaker 2

I don't know.

I believe that he would.

I think it's gonna happen.

Speaker 3

And that's the thing, like against the Browns, you would think they would never And I think Joe Burrow is setting himself.

Speaker 2

Up to be the villain.

I think he is too.

One hundred percent.

Speaker 1

I will say, Envision you should were Sanders the future in Cleveland.

Speaker 2

Throw looking right at the.

Speaker 4

Ball, wafting right, he's got fitted who catches at the two and rolls in touchtop.

Speaker 2

Oh what a catch.

Speaker 4

Harold Fannon looked up bounding in the rain, landed on.

Speaker 8

His back and rolled untouched into the end zone.

Speaker 1

And all things being an equal, Cleveland's had a pretty good draft class, like like, well, Dylan Gabriel stunk but well, but but Guggins go ahead, Fannin very good.

Uh was a Swessenger on defense, very very good.

Speaker 2

So draft class yea, and is the I don't think he's defense.

And one, by the ways.

Speaker 3

Fifty seven percent completion percentage on the season, he's only averaging just over six and a half in the townpt he gets first seven touchdowns to ten interceptions.

He's been sacked seventeen times for one hundred and thirty five yard loss in seven games.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I don't think he's the future.

Speaker 3

And I'm not saying that somebody won't take throw the dice on him.

I just don't think he's the you know, the undisputed future in Cleveland at all.

Speaker 2

Fan base likes him.

Speaker 1

Sure, and again they Watson, you punt on, You punt on, Watson, you punt on?

Speaker 2

Are they moving on from Watson?

Well, he'll never start a game for the Browns.

I mean unless he's just the only body available.

He won't start a game for them.

Speaker 1

That They're just like, it's just cheaper for them to hang onto that contract that way.

Could you see the Browns holding on to should or over Dylan Gabriel?

Speaker 2

Oh absolutely, I could you punk.

Speaker 3

You're gonna put one of the two though, this makes this key bolts right, You're gonna put one of the two.

Speaker 2

Try to recoups and draft capital and go from there.

Speaker 3

But you know, beyond that, and neither one of those guys, I mean, unless you just bring in a coach is just sold on Shador, which, by the way, they're moving off to Stefski, so Barry will be there.

Speaker 2

But that was gonna be my next question.

Speaker 1

No, I've read that Stefanski might have some interest around the league.

Speaker 2

You'll absolutely have an OC job the next day.

Speaker 1

Well, there's maybe interest that he could just slide into another head coaching job.

Speaker 2

They'll get an OC job.

Speaker 3

Okay, he won't get a head coaching job cycle.

He could wind up as the OC in Arizona.

Speaker 1

By the way, Well, part of what at least I've read is because it's a relatively light it.

Speaker 2

Is not a great aunch class from the offensive side.

Speaker 3

Kubiak is really kind of the crown jewel on that one, and he is very tied to Tampa at this point, which is not admitting they're moving on from bowls.

Speaker 2

So we'll see.

Speaker 1

You think they're gonna move on for Bolls, I don't tell.

I mean, that's to be fair, I don't know.

I would, and I think all indicators are telling me internally you know yes.

But then you've got people coming out and talking about the buyout that they've got there, and the glaciers and the weirdest people when it comes to doing stuff like that.

And then Bruce arians carries a lot of weight and I was a tampang gun and that is his guy, and he carries a lot of weight in that organization right now.

Speaker 2

So now we'll speaking of that, Miami getting a win.

Speaker 1

Holy cow third and hey yours now very by weee thirty twenty.

Speaker 8

Ten five cuts down the rookie from Missouri got open yours found.

Speaker 1

Of yours to weisee, that's a that's a week seventeen.

Speaker 2

Every time I hear we used, I think Convince Vaughan from Uh be Cool.

Speaker 1

That's uh doing at the rock e weeezy the WBGGWI in z Miami Dolphins radio network on the calls.

So the Miami Dolphins beating the Buccaneers.

The Buccaneers have cratered al those in line with the Colts and how bad they've created.

But yes, I wanted to ask you about Mike McDaniel and of course Todd Bowles, what is what's the is with Mike McDaniels.

I think Mike's coaches way back into his job.

Wow, I mean shocking as it is, as shocking as it is.

Speaker 3

To say I believe that that that Mike McDaniel has miraculously coached his way back into his job, and they've won uh what five of.

Speaker 2

Our last seven.

Speaker 3

I think only losses were to the Bengals they got blown out there and the Steelers.

Speaker 2

But they beat the Bucks.

I mean, they beat the Jets, who cares.

Speaker 3

Uh, they beat the Saints, who have been competitive with everybody.

They beat the Commanders, you know, back when I think Jayden's still around at that point one hundred percent of that.

Speaker 2

They beat the Bills, they blew them out.

You know, they've won quite a few since.

Speaker 3

Uh since that that October I think it was the Chargers of Browns they lost back to back and then they've won game since then.

I want to say they're like six and three.

Speaker 2

I have to have mcdoald check, but they I think mix in three cents a one and six starts.

Yeah, and I think I think McDaniel, since the firing of Chris Greer, has kind of coached his way back into his job.

Remarkable.

Well, good for Mike be daniel.

We all like Mike McDaniel obviously, yeah here from Denner Gavi.

Speaker 1

But but I remember you saying at the beginning of the year that he has band I think he got some cover with the somehow getting Chris Greer out of there, who's spectacularly.

Speaker 3

Bad getting him out of there.

I think he got some cover off that with going six and three and saying, look, let me get my guy in here that I can work with and maybe you get one more round.

Speaker 2

What do they think they do a quarterback?

Speaker 1

I mean, Quinn yours is kind ofe his guy at this point.

Wow, totally gone.

Speaker 2

You know that, that's for sure.

Yeh, we know that.

But Quinn your's kind of hiss guy at this point.

I don't know what else you what else would you do?

The available quarterbacks in this class are not going to be great.

Uh they're picking anyway?

Yeah, well the quarterbacks aren't.

This isn't a great class anyway.

Speaker 3

I mean even the best guy here would be QB seven and bow Nick's draft you talk in free agency doesn't really have a lot to it either, you know.

I mean your options are two.

Who you get rid of Kyler?

You're bringing him in with that offense?

I don't think so.

He just already didn't work in that offense, So you're you're probably sticking with what you got.

Speaker 1

The Giants with a resounding win over the.

Speaker 2

Raiders for the first overall pick.

It comes to the near side.

Speaker 1

Banks fields it at the fop as of the twenty of the thirty, there goes.

Speaker 2

Banks along the left.

He's a Croushman fielder for foot race the take bank for.

Speaker 8

The twenty ten five touchdown Giants Bob Papa wfa N Giants Radio Network gonna say for the game for the number one overall pick, and the Raiders made it pretty know what direction they're headed.

Speaker 1

And the Giants made a pretty well known what direction they're headed, which is not the first pick, which is hilarious, by the way, and back to back years the Giants with an opportunity to get the first overall pick.

Last year is Drew Locke with the five touchdown, and then this year it's like, all right, you're on the road against the Raiders.

The Raiders are terrible.

You're not a very good team either, and then you pull out all the stops and you.

Speaker 2

Blow them out.

Speaker 1

So the Giants are not going to have the number overall pick.

The Raiders are playing the Chiefs this week, so I guess, I don't know, there's a scenario where the Chiefs lose this game, but probably not Raiders are gonna have the first overall pick.

Speaker 2

Is that gonna be Fernando Mendozo.

I'm not one hundred percent sure on that either.

I will say this, the two top quarterbacks are three quarterbacks in this class.

Speaker 3

If you assume ty Simpson comes out, which is not set in stone.

More the coming out is not set in stone.

There are people that really like More and people that really don't.

It's very split on him.

And then the kind of the temperature on Mendoza's just kind of meh, you know, like he's kind of just a guy.

Speaker 2

Yeah, he's gonna be a starter in the league, but what are you getting here?

Speaker 3

You know, you really spend a number one overall pick on a guy like Andy Dalton or you know whatever that that kind of caliber of quarterbacks.

Speaker 2

You need a quarterback.

Speaker 3

Yeah, but I mean you could you could go get Kyler, you know, you could go get Kyler as a bridge until you find the guy as you continue to put pieces around him.

Is the question is Pete Carroll gonna be there?

Which I don't think he is.

I think he's gonna be one of done.

So, you know, there's a lot of questions around that.

Mendoza, I mean, there's not gonna be a whole lot of people clamoring to get him there at the top.

If he's the guy, he's the guy.

But it's you know, he grades well below guys like cam Ward or bow Nix or or whatever else.

The Knicks was the six quarterback his own class.

All right, last one here the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 1

I want to ask you, after we hear this highlight, who's the best team in the NFC West?

Speaker 2

First and ten?

Speaker 3

Now with the ball at the seventeen of Caroline Walker back in play, fake to him.

Speaker 2

Sam gets hit as he throws ball.

Speaker 4

It's caught in your side.

Speaker 5

Farner five cuts.

Speaker 1

Down Threeyhawks' Steve Rabel, Seahawks broadcasting KR the kind of slow starting.

Speaker 2

Game for Seattle.

Speaker 1

They were tied three all, but the Panthers at halftime You're like, all right, I mean, I know both these teams technically need this game, but it feels like the Seahawks t you might need a little bit more because they're trying to get.

Speaker 2

The one seed.

Speaker 1

And then they just blew him out in the second half twenty four to seven, and those seven points came kind of late.

Seahawks blew him out twenty seve to ten.

Who's the best team in the NFC West, either Seattle or LA Not the forty nine ers, who, by the way, have a path.

Speaker 2

Not the forty nine ers who have a path.

I think that the Rams or the Seahawks are there are the teams to be Who's.

Speaker 1

Going to represent the NFC and we know the Broncos are going to be in the Super Bowl, who's going to represent the NFC?

Speaker 2

Well, in that case, since we know that the Seahawks are the Rams, Okay, I do believe it.

It just depends.

Speaker 3

So Stafford has one of his Stafford you know no games, or if Darnold has one of his you know dope games.

Speaker 2

That's that's really what it is.

Speaker 1

Both Rocke Party, both these teams said, yeah, he's playing great, but I don't.

Speaker 2

I'm not buying the Niners, just not.

I'm just not relative to those guys.

I'll believe.

Want to see it he.

Speaker 1

Who is dead last in the NFL and sacks as a team in allowing or acquiring acquiring the Raiders the forty nine ers.

Speaker 2

Okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 1

Did you know how you want to guess how how low how low numbers the Broncos of sixty four.

Yeah, probably in the with eighteen zack range eighteen.

There you go exactly, there you go, eight sack.

The Brons have sixty four.

They're number one and dead last in the NFL's the forty nine ers with eight team.

Speaker 3

There are only two teams in the NFC that are above one hundred net points on the season, and it is the Rams and the Seahawks, so well above that.

You look at the rest of the field in the playoffs, there you've got the Bears that are at twenty nine net points, Phillies at sixty one, the Niners at seventy six, green Bay at forty four.

Speaker 1

Carolin negative sixty seven.

You know, it's it's it really is, it really is.

Speaker 3

I mean there's only three teams in the AFC that have above one hundred net points and that's Houston Jacksonville in New England.

Speaker 2

Remarkable.

Speaker 1

All right, there's there a look around the NFL gunner NFL insider bitch binal Bright to give us some of the latest information from around the league.

I mean, the Monday after the season finale is coming up here, right, I Mean, that's.

Speaker 2

What happens is Black Monday for a reason you're gonna see some fires and stuff.

I think Joe Shane is safe.

I think John Gannon is safe, and I think I think Mike McDaniel might wind up be in some Chris.

Speaker 3

Ballard that's a maybe.

Okay, I think so a new owner.

I think Stykeing is safe.

Yeah, but I can't.

I don't bet that well, no, no.

Speaker 1

I mean, I don't bet any of this, but I that's the one that I keep hearing kind of back and forth on.

Speaker 2

It feels like Steichen should get another run at this thing.

Speaker 1

But Chris Ballard has had a chance to build rosters over and over and over again.

And it just as much as we always say there's talent on that team, they never produce.

They and they collapse.

They collapse over and over again, and most of the time, whether injury or otherwise, it's that they collapse.

Speaker 2

That's what they're known for.

Speaker 3

We'll see they get Daniel Jones back next year, all that kind of stuff.

So I tend to believe they'll go with the continuity, but who knows.

It's the new ownership with the daughter there.

Speaker 2

We'll see.

All right, we come back.

Speaker 1

We're here from bow Nick's get a little more preview of the Broncos and Chargers.

Happy New Year, everybody, Ryan's been beIN Albright's KWA

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