We head out to the k Common Spirit Health Highline and bring on Broncos starting left tackle Garrett Bowles, who joins us here on K Sports is presented by Kodiak Building partners in the Kodiak Foundation, together creating meaningful change with seventy two to charity.

Garrett, my friend, it's good to keep check in with you as always.

How are you?

I'm good, my brother, how are you guys?

Good to hear from you guys a game.

Yeah, we're we're doing good.

Gear appreciate the time, So let's just jump right in it.

Second consecutive, really tough loss on the road.

What couple of things after you've seen the film, what couple of things can the entire team do or maybe even specifically offensively that can help you guys get over the hump and start to win some of these really tight, winnable games.

Yeah, that's a good question, Dave.

I truly believe it just comes down to the small and simple things.

How we're controlling the line of screamage number one and number two, how we're converting down on third down.

I mean, I truly believe the more times that we play within you know, three to third and five or third and six instead of you know, third to seven or third or eleven, and then also cut back our penalties.

I think if we focus on those two things, you know, offense and defensively, I truly we can turn this around.

And obviously, you know, we were in this situation last year, you know, going to Tampa, winning the game of Tampa and then going to Greenbrier and then you know, spending that week out there and getting to know each other even better as the team, and then you know, beating the Jets.

So I truly believe like our schedule moving forward is definitely the way that we want it to be.

And you know, we just got you know, dig deep, work a little bit harder during the weekend, and get back on track.

And I truly that we'll do that this week.

Garrett.

You guyss have done something over the past couple of weeks that I actually I am actually rooting for and looking to see more.

And that's a running the ball coming on in that second half, you guys were brilliant taking the ball down the field and the guy lean to charge was JK Dobbins.

I mean, what was that like watching him actually come out and score that touchdown?

After halftime against his former team.

Huge for us.

You know, obviously we want to run the ball.

We gotta do a lot better job or running the ball.

We got to you know, do a lot better job of, you know, putting us in situations where you know the coach wants to call it.

You know, Coach sp and I too, we believe that, you know, moving forward down the stretch, he's gonna rely us on even more, just like he did last year.

And you know, watching JK do his thing is awesome, man, you know, opening up holes and watching that boys spring.

You know, we had the back truly, I truly believe that we have the two of the best backs in the league when it comes to explosiveness and you know, making sure that we get the ball down the field and we gotta feed.

We gotta feed the beast.

And you know when you watch him coming to this week, you know, especially all this preparation, you know he was fired up to play as you know, this team that his old team that he was on, and you know, we we need to do a better job of, you know, when we have those type of guys on our team to close out those games for those guys, and you know, give them the love and support.

But you know, watching them score and watch them do his thing is awesome.

Man.

I can't wait to see what he does moving down the stretch.

Yeah, you talked about it in a moment ago about being better on first and second down as it relates, of course, to getting not in these third and long situations.

I know, again that's the coaching staff and their calls ultimately, but from the player's standpoint, from the execution standpoint, what are what are those situations kind of look like for you guys when it comes to trying to put yourselves in more advantageous positions later on in the down in the drive.

We just got to execute, you know.

I mean, I truly believe, you know, an old coach once told me, you know, it's not the plays, it's the players, And you know, I understand that to a certain extent, but I truly believe, like when you call the plays, we have the players to make each play go.

And I truly believe we just got to you know, toneing in our assignments, make sure that we're we're blocking, and make sure that you know, number ten pills feels good in the pocket, and then you know, obviously, you know, when we give him time and comfortable and get him in a situation where he feels that you know, he can't because is when both shreds defenses and you know we saw last year, and so we just got to get his confidence level up.

We got to get him cooking and what we need him to do.

And obviously, you know, the boys up front, you know, I truly believe that we have one of the best all lines of football, if not the best, And we just got to continue to build and you know, eventually we're going to start winning these close games.

And that's just what the football does.

Does Dave knows all about that?

Yeah, when you when you look at these last two weeks, and again we know that playing in the NFL is hard.

It's rewarding at times.

Uh, it's a lot more fun coming to work when you're winning, and it's not all that fun when you're when you've lost a couple of games like that.

Do from a veteran standpoint, do you since early in the season any any level of frustration, maybe more so than the normal frustration during the week from the guys in terms of like offensively being able to have that that four quarters of consistent play or is this just something that it's early in the season.

Some of you guys figure you're going to find a way to get worked out.

No, No, for sure, I truly truly believe that.

You know, I think the younger.

Guys don't truly understand what the NFL is about, you know what I mean, Dave, when it comes to the frustrations and losing these close games, and you know, us best, some players, we need to do a better job, and you know, understanding that.

You know, football is a long season.

It's not a spring the marathon.

And you know everyone's heard that same before and I truly believe that.

And you know, really, you just got to come to work humble and hungry every single day.

And sometimes, you know, football sucks, and sometimes it's amazing, and the more that you win, it's amazing.

But when you lose these close games two weeks in a row, on the game when it can go, it freaking sucks.

I mean, there's there's no ifs and hands about it.

Like football is miserable when you lose close games like this.

But I think what we have to realize is you know that I've realized, especially you know, over the last couple of years is like, you know what, football is still fun.

You still got to enjoy it, You still gotta love it, You still gotta love your brothers, because when it's out there, you know you're gonna miss those moments.

You're gonna miss the times where it sucks, and you're gonna miss those times where it's amazing.

And really just got to come up with a positive attitude every single time.

And I think we have a lot of positive people in the building, you know, from top down, and I truly believe we have a great team that is humble and hungry and ready to win, and we just got to find a way to win.

And I truly believe that we're going to get right back on track where we belong.

And you know we got we got a big time game coming up here on Monday night football in front of our home crowd, which is the best home crowd and all of the NFL, and you know, they give us that juice, they give us that excitement.

I know the guys that made mistakes the last two weeks aren't going to.

Make those mistakes again because we.

Have a team guys that are just you know, eager to learn and ego to get better.

So I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens here in the next couple of weeks.

Yeahl let's talk about that process for a little and take the listeners inside the locker room.

When you are playing a game like this and it's all stressful and there's a lot of pressure associated with it, and every player wants to go out and make a play, make a positive play, how do you guys come together collectively to put.

These last two games behind you.

And therefore move on and therefore make every day before the game a great game.

Yeah.

I think what we did in the Coats game was you know what we did in the Tennessee game.

Obviously, you know, we we won.

And then when we played the Colts, I thought there was a lot of good things that we did and there was also some things that we just physically can't do.

And then obviously, you know, in the Charges game, I felt like we stat when we needed to score.

We need to score, you know.

In the in the Coats game, we started off fast and we scored on our first drive, you know, and then in the Charges game, we didn't score on our first time.

We didn't score until colases a halftime, So you know, sometimes there's some bumps in the road as you go through, you know, the four quarters of the game.

You know only that the sixty minutes and stuff.

It's a four hour football game, and you gotta, you gotta, you gotta see how many times you can you know, avoid those speed bumps, and sometimes you're gonna have those, and sometimes you have to roll through the punches and go through those things.

But I truly believe that, you know, as a core group of a team of the Denver Broncos, I truly believe that we have we're doing a lot of great things.

I think our special teams is doing great.

We got to turn over in the game, you know, that was super positive.

We got to turn that into points.

Or you know, when the offense was in the red zone, we got to score.

You know, if we scored instead of don't you know not you know, ten to seventeen, it's it's ten to twenty four.

So you know, those are the different moments, those crucial situations in those games where you know, the ebbs and blows of the game that we have to score points to win.

And I thought our defense played outstanding.

I thought they handled what they needed to do.

You know, if you would have said that, you know, the Chargers offense is only gonna have three points, you know, it's what three to seven, you know a halftime or toward ten to seven and a half time like that was just that's just a crazy expanse, especially with the high power offense they had.

So our defense is doing what they need to do.

They're gonna continue to do what they do.

We gotta we gotta take off of each other when one when one unit's down, the other unit's got to step up.

And you know, this is this is the point.

Where you're gonna find out who we truly are in these next couple weeks.

Is can we can we go from one to two to two and two to three and two and then just continue to go down the stretch like we did last year?

And you know we have we have the team to do it, we have the dangerous weapons to do it, we have the coaching staff to do it.

Now it's just up to us.

Perfectly said, you guys like primetime games.

You decided about Monday night football coming up.

Listen.

I think you know as a kid you always dream about playing on Monday night and Sunday night football.

I'm a big believer in Sunday night football.

I love, I love Sunday night football.

Well, obviously we have Monday Night and it's still the same feelings.

It's still you know, the last game of the week.

I just to team.

The difference is, you know, you have an extra bonus day when you play on Monday, so you've got to navigate through that when you were younger, but as you get older, you cherish these moments.

Man, everyone's watching, everyone's doing it.

It's an exciting time.

But nothing's better than a primetime game in Mile High I mean, I truly believe.

It's it's a special, special place to play.

I and cherish.

I cherish, our fans are cherished.

You know the traditions that we have here in Denver, and you know it's a special time for sure.

Carol.

Always appreciate it.

Man.

Best of luck on Monday, and we will check in with you next week.

Thank you so much, yeap much love to you all guys, talk to you soon.

Appreciate it.

I appreciate it.

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Dave, my friend, Good to see you, see you guys.

We have a quarterback change.

We talked about it yesterday with Ian for a moment, and I guess when a coach says we're considering everything, that's usually a pretty good indication about the direction things are headed.

So the Giants now go to Jackson Dart.

I mean, you didn't have to be the smartest guy in the room listening to Brian day Ball and that press conference to know that he'd already done considered.

You know that decision had been made to go with the young quarterback.

And it's it's interesting the week before Russell threw for like four hundred and fifty some audio had.

Three touchdowns in an overtime game shootout with Dallas.

But there were there were two or three.

We were flying back from LA on a very quiet plane, I might add, and so I didn't see all of it, but there were two or three throws against the Chiefs where you're just kind of scratching your head.

A red zone sequence that he had.

We threw it out of bounds on fourth down, I mean.

Right, he threw it into the tunnel I think on first down, and then he had a scramble for like zero yards.

Yeah, it was just I mean it was tough.

It was a tough performance.

Chiefs are not a bad defense.

For what it's worse, No, chiefs are.

Chiefs are a good defense.

They are, you know so.

But it was one thing to keep in mind, even with this situation with russ in New York, that was never a good fit to begin with, because on what you mean, Oh, come on what so so you're saying that was a great fit.

I did say it was a great fit.

But they made the choice, and he made the choice.

Like if you fit in where.

You get in, okay, So have you not ever made choices that ended up not being great fits even when you went into I died to.

Take a two or three for you, Ryan, right off the top it feel free, not just to push back and let let me take it at this point.

No, I'm just kidding.

Yes, but it looked really good on me.

What are you talking about?

I'm not even going with my wife.

Tell my wife want to maurage you?

Is she lying to me?

Now?

Well?

Yes?

Well what's always tell you that?

Courage you?

Right?

Do I look goodness?

Almighty?

You look awful.

I don't think you look awful today.

Okay, thank you.

I don't think you look awful today.

Am I reading that into that too much?

No?

I just wanted to make him feel good.

Yeah, no, no, to go doesn't want to make it really weird.

Right, But in the case of russ this was never a good fit when you look at the Giants inability to protect the quarterback, not too many, not having too many weapons outside of many lak neighbors.

Because think about what Spagnolo did to the Giants in the game that Milik neighbors went wild against the Cowboys defense.

They just doubled him.

They take him out of the equation.

So where you're going with the ball, right, and you don't have a decent And I said, I say that with all due respect, I mean the Giants don't have a decent run game.

All of those things are important.

Do you take shots at Camp's kataboo?

Remember Rick Lewis listens to the show.

I'm just telling the truth.

May take it for what is worth.

I mean, camp'scattabul is a physical running back.

I'd love to do.

But you're telling me that when you look around the league, at the other thirty one teams, you're saying you would rank the Giants run game where Why would you rank it?

Just just off the head, off the dome?

What do you think?

Not very high?

No, you're right exactly.

So you're not helping your quarterback out.

So we knew, or at least I did, this change was gonna happen sometimes soon.

And Chris collins Worth and I was dying laughing when he said it.

He alluded to the fact that looking at the Giant schedule, the first couple of games were tough out of the box.

Why does it get easier?

No, it doesn't.

So you let Russell take the first lumps.

Then at some point you bring in Jackson Dark.

Now he's not gonna fare too much better.

He should gonna run around a little more, right, may create more passing opportunities, but he's not gonna fare any better because he doesn't have enough.

Talent around it.

So, Dave, you got the Chargers this week, we saw them.

That's that's a team we know, the Saints whatever.

They should win that game.

Eagles Broncos, Eagles forty nine.

Ers, Yeah, they win.

I would say they would win one of the next.

However, minute you mentioned I think the Russell I would say when they signed I would have viewed that signing is curious.

And maybe that's the same same thing as Nick saying.

I just.

I mean, Russell has been a great player in the league.

He was a great player in Seattle.

There were moments in which he was good here, he was functional here.

But I think anybody who follows the game would say, you know, you just haven't seen it the last even in Pittsburgh last year.

I mean Pittsburgh made the playoffs and decided to move on from a guy who started the majority of games at quarterback.

That would be if I was another team out there, that would be like, Okay, wait a minute, he's he's an unrestricted free agent and the Steelers are not making any attempt to keep him.

Because that was like putting a band aid on a gunshot one.

I mean, you look at Pittsburgh, same thing, Denver Broncles, same thing, the Giants, same thing.

And Dave alluded to talking about Russell's time with the Seattle Seahawks.

Look at the players that they had on both sides of the ball.

Look at the the ability for the wide receivers to create where Russell would scramble, Guess what the guys would do.

They would not stand as statue where they were.

They would try to move and create more opportunities for him.

You're not seeing that now, right, So a lot of the glaring issues with Russ are showing up more when he goes to a team.

Then that team doesn't have a supporting cast.

Hmm.

Okay, I.

Guess I have resigned to the fact that I don't know if there's really a fit for what Russell Wilson does, especially at this point in his career.

So maybe I would agree.

Maybe we're sort of splitting hairs on the same conversation.

Because you're you're both saying the same thing.

Okay, Yeah, I just don't like when you're saying it wasn't a good fit, and I'm like, what fitting around the NFL wants a quarterback that takes a lot of sacks and tries to improvise and play backyard football.

I would be very shocked if Russell Wilson is playing football next year.

Yeah, and I think really have a couple of options.

I don't think so as the starting quarter back.

And I just can't wrap my head around him deciding, you know, I'm okay being a backup quarter I just that that doesn't seem those two things don't seem to connect for me when I think of Russell me too.

So well, hell that's where he is right now.

Well well yeah, but you know he's not going to retire like tomorrow.

No, he's there.

He was a starter now.

I think he'll end this season gracefully.

And but I I just I don't I don't see him playing next year.

The only I mean again this is we don't know how it's going to play out.

The only scenario, right would be something like the Giants where they draft somebody high and they need a bridge.

But he'd have to I'd.

Have to decide I'm willing to be the bridge quarterback.

I mean, Russell views himself whether we agree or disagree or reject the notion.

What have you?

Russell views himself as a Hall of Fame quarterback.

Now, when you think about it, if if his career ends at the end of this year and he didn't really get any more tick, he's the backup quarterback to Jackson Dart.

Okay, what have you?

Career is over, you're a voter, Russell Wilson hall of fame or not?

Hall of fame?

Not that's not personal, not a personal thing.

You you consider him, he's in that consideration.

He's not a I think, but you consider him.

Yeah, I think he'd be considered too, because he's got one Super Bowl win and two appearances as well, and.

He's at his numbers, I mean his stats, you know, in terms of touchdowns and interceptions and yardage.

You know, his his numbers would would.

Fare well against against guys that would be considered to be Hall of Fame quarterbacks.

That's a tough one for me.

I'd have to I'd have to, honestly, I'd have to push back and say, let.

Me see all the numbers and let me let me think about this.

But once again, but here's there's a situation.

Now you're considering it.

It was not a flash response where you go, no, it's not now, you wouldn't because of what.

He did in Seattle exactly because when the trade was made with Seattle to Denver, I thought that dude's going to be in the Hall of Fame.

I mean, without a doubt.

Yep, he's going to the Hall of Fame.

Now the last whatever of four years have not helped him well for me.

If we having this conversation, truly having a conversation, we're thinking.

About the player's whole body of work.

And obviously guys when they're on the tail end of their career, they don't play the same way they play when they start.

But you have to take everything in consideration.

So, like Dave said, when he was traded here, that was the mindset, this guy's a Hall of famer just because the past couple of years four years haven't been that great.

I don't think you dismissed that.

Yeah, that's what I would certainly think about it.

Yeah, okay, so maybe I shouldn't dismiss it as early.

We we talked about Josh Allen last week for a little bit about whether Josh Allen has a case if his career ended it like say, tell.

Dave what that this kind of tom foolery that's I was talking.

Tell him, tell me what you do now, I know what you guys do when I go coach high school football.

You just sort of cut up when the Cat's away play.

It was it was a heated debate if well.

Who had which side?

I thought there was a really strong case for him, But then I think was a beIN that brought up the super Bowls that he doesn't.

We're talking about super Bowls that he hasn't won just yet, but we're talking about if his career ended now, would he will be consider him?

And I'm like, heck, yeah, I would.

Yeah, you'd have to and he would get I mean, if something forbid happened to him and he was unable to play, he absolutely would get strong consideration.

Okay, so how many how many?

How many years?

This is what's uh?

Oh, hold on, I'll tell you.

Eight seven or eight?

Yeah, right.

To be as dominating as a player, because this is what I'm trying to say, You being considered for the Hall of Fame is like what was your level of impact on the game?

How important were you to your team?

Yeah?

And it dude, I mean mister important.

Well, we needed you because Ben sat there and convinced both of us that we were crazy.

For saying what what was his He hadn't played long enough.

He went He went over all time stats for quarterbacks, which again is tough because Josh Allen his mobility is part of what he does.

But he went over passing yards and he's like, he's like forties or fifties.

So he's still not like really high up there, and I know that number.

But he hasn't made any appearances in the Super Bowl, hasn't won the Super Bowls.

Obviously, he did win the MVP.

So we talked about dominance in the league over the time that he's been playing, and been argued more of the straight stats of it, and that was his art.

I think I think there has to be sort of a melding of those two categories, right.

I mean, you go back when I was playing late in my career.

Dan Marino came in and in his second season in Super Bowl, they went to the Super Bowl forty nine ers.

They lost.

Never my dad is still crying out.

Never ever returned to the Super Bowl.

And was as good as anybody throwing a football as I've ever seen.

And no run game.

He had no run game.

Just think about that.

I don't know, I mean, I don't know how many yards Dan passed for a bunch.

I mean he threw for five thousand yards one year back when nobody was throwing for five thousand yards.

In fact, he might have been it might have been the first to do that.

Drew Brees came in, Okah, broke it.

Yeah, Dan's ninth overall in passing yards, but Josh Allen seventy second.

And that's that was kind of his the point that that Ben was making.

Well, where's Lamar Jackson.

Lamar Jackson right now?

Passing yards?

In passing yards, he wouldn't be keep scrobbing fifteen, I wouldn't think and fifteen.

Okay, And so so by Ben's argument, we're arguing, I'm arguing with Andre's not even here.

So by Ben's way of thinking, then Lamar Jackson would not be a.

Hall of fame, that'd be correct.

And he did say that he didn't think Lamar Jackson was a Hall of Famer either.

Oh my goodness, wide right, all bright.

Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness, I love Ben, But my goodness.

That blanket just grows and grows by the day.

What are we What are we doing?

What an idiot?

We're off and rolling here and Tuesday very excited to be here with you.

We're gonna hear from Coach Prime when we come back on the sort of controversial choosing not to go to Baltimore.

We'll get to the next welcome back, Ryan Edwards, Nick Ferguson in Studio five six six nine zero or Kway common Spirit Hill text line.

So we're gonna hear from Coach Prime.

He was on the New Heights podcast talking about Shoodoor.

Sanders says the shoot is gonna be playing at some point here soon he actually knows when fascinating.

Also responds to the points that were made recently about the report that Shoudre Sanders turned down the Baltimore Ravens draft tum because he didn't want to sit behind Lamar Jackson.

But before we get to that, I just want to ask you really quick here and I again, I imagine my guy big Alice smiling somewhere.

Mike Gundy, head coach of Oklahoma State, was fired today twenty one years.

Twenty one years he was with that program.

They still owe him.

I think around eighteen million or so, but it kind of had to move on.

It seemed like, I mean they just lost the Tulsa that it's not a good program, it's not performing at a high level.

I know people are tuning in for us to break down Mike Gundy or anything, but what was your reaction to that.

It's tough for any coach who lose his job, and especially having a tenure of that many years.

You got to figure that something is going to break.

The damn is gonna break at some point because expectations.

When you're able to bring in a new coach, Ryan, you're able to reset that schedule, reset that button.

As far as the production of.

The team, you've been with the team that long.

To me, sometimes individual go you know what, maybe we'll get them next year.

And they got to a point where, you know, the alumni were like, no, when we look around the landscape of college football and how guys are jumping into Portal ni O money, they're looking for Oklahoma State to be productive.

And I can tell you right now, I'm in the text thread with a couple of my former teammates and Tatum Bell was getting smashed.

He's getting busy, He was getting destroyed.

But at this point, there's nothing you can do about it.

There is something you can do.

Has been cast.

Yeah, they need a fresh voice there.

Also, we had some some other college football news today.

John It's here, the quarterback from Oklahoma who was a Heisman favorites like yeah, Answery right, Yeah, broken bone in his right hand.

But he should be back though.

He will be back, but I don't know how long it's going to take.

It doesn't really matter at this point.

I mean, he was by the betting favorite to be the Heisman.

And again it's very early.

It's really early in the season.

We're barely getting into conference play, so I don't read much too much into it.

But he was playing really well.

He was me Oklahoma, It's really good.

It was another big game this weekend.

But that's going to impact that certainly.

It is not just going to impact the Heisman race.

But what Brent Benamboos was doing down there Boomer Sooner.

And it was spectacular, right it.

Look you tell me, look kind of Baker Mayfield esque of what he was doing around there.

I'm with you on that, and they they were rallying around it.

He was I mean, it was against Auburn right that they won it was a ranked team.

They were ranked.

Of course, they're seventh in the country right now.

They have win over Michigan earlier, who was fifteen at the time.

You know, I can state this week and then they got Texas.

That's going to be a really fun game.

But it would have been a lot more fun with John Matteri, who's been He's been really playing just at a high level.

But you're right, there's there's a Baker Mayfield ask it's hard not to see a guy that looks well his stature, in his playing style and the of course Baker played there, not to think about that, but yeah, it's just a bit of a bummer because they've they've been a fun team to watch.

I'm excited to see what what CU is going to be doing.

And speaking of CU, coach Prime was on the New Heights podcast and he was so this is the New Heights podcast with the Kelsey Brothers, and he was asked about Shaorg Sanders and whether or out they're checking in with him up there in Cleveland.

Here's what he said, what's.

The best piece of advice you've given him as a dad and as.

A coach, be patient and be ready.

You got to be ready when it's t But when it's time, you gonna know.

And it's coming up.

There we go.

You know, I got a prediction a little better.

I got a feeling when it's gonna go down.

But it's it's gonna happen, all right.

Yeah, he can get a shot.

And that's all you can ask for is a player.

All you can ask for is the opportunity, right tim it is because this is all over the media.

Because I know y'all keep it a buck.

That's why I love y'all.

Yes, they made a big deal out of Tilly called us on draft day.

Okay, they didn't mention that.

I just let it get out of the bay.

I didn't know that.

Yeah, okay, who was it?

Baltimore?

Well, and.

In the Browns they forget I know, I played for Baltimore, so me and I said cool.

So he understood that whole conversation, and he wanted to talk to Shador as well as you want to talk.

To me, and I put your door on the phone in hr door.

I don't want to say how went, But how in the world can somebody fault him for saying or thinking?

Why in the world.

Would I go back up Lamar for ten more years?

For sure.

I've never said.

On the bench and said, well I learned a lot today.

That's a great line.

It is a great line.

There.

There's a couple of flaws here for me, very quickly.

Okay.

First one is and we don't know what his career will ultimately look like, but aus right now as a prospect, Shure Sanders was never in the conversation as Deon Sanders was as a prospect and what Deon Sanders would go on to have in his career.

So these are two different conversations obviously different positions, but we'll leave that out of a second.

Just saying from a position standpoint, from a talent standpoint, okay, not the same conversation, right, Dan Sanders was expected to be good when he came out of college, and he was amazing in a Hall of Fame career and one of the all time greats.

Shnorre Sanders isn't seen in the same category.

Second, you're talking in the fifth round here.

This is a different deal.

You're not being brought in in the fifth round for almost any NFL team to compete for a starting job.

That just does not exist.

Now, if you're a second rounder, maybe a third rounder, depending on the situation, there could be something there.

But when you're a fifth rounder, you're in the backup category and maybe in a year or two of development they will give you an opportunity to take a crack at it, but you're not going to be getting that, and so to sit I maintained that sitting behind Lamar Jackson would have been very good and beneficial for his career.

Being part of a winning organization, organization and knows what they're doing, would have been very beneficial for Shuret Sanders.

I find that.

Argument, even though it was a fun line, to be very flawed from Coach Prime on a multitude of levels.

I don't because that just kind of gave you insight into the mindset that Coach Prime has and the mindset that he's instilled in his sons.

Regardless of what individuals think about Shador, whether he was he should have been drafted higher, he thought more of himself and in the world of competition, you have to think that way.

If you allowed yourself to lean on people and allow them to validate you, you in a very difficult spot.

But Coach Prime, I don't need individuals to validate me or my sons, and that's the way he raised them.

They're gonna validate themselves.

And Ben and I had this conversation and he thought, well, no, that was kind of ridiculous for Lamar to turn down those opportunities.

But I understand.

And the idea is that you got Lamar Jackson, got Jalen Hurts.

Why bake the back those two guys up.

No, I want to go to a team where I know that I could take over at some point.

Cleveland gives him that opportunity.

I see where he's coming from on it, and you know, you get those those reps.

They're very valuable.

But that's just not exactly how it always works, you know, for example, and I don't think it's apples to apples.

So I'm not using this completely ignorant of the fact that it's not the same as the quarterback position.

But John A.

Barn drafted twentieth overall.

Coming to a secondary that looks complete, it looks like it's set for.

The most part.

Now, maybe the Broncos would say something different like no, no, no, you come in and you compete, But they had starters across the board.

At every position.

I mean the Nicols the one that's up for debate and up for possibility, and you eventually were able to push on j Quan McMillan As a result, I think of drafting jodd A Baron.

But john A could have had it in his mind of like, that's a loaded secondary, why would I want to go to that team and non apples to apples?

But I think you sort of get in and you find a way to compete and then you just make your own way that way.

See that's different.

You got a quarter You have a quarterback that's being taken later in a draft than he anticipated, and most people who anticipated, Well, you have Johnny Barron who's being drafted in the first round.

He was He's being chosen as a top pick coming into a secondary like this.

Can it be tough?

Absolutely, But here's where things even up for him.

You're drafted in the first round, so they like you.

That buys you at least a three year window regardless of how you plan as a player.

But he could have maybe an arguments that I'd rather go a team i'de where I could start right away.

No, no, no, no, no.

See the first round is different than any other round.

Well, I said the same thing about what the intention of drafting a fifth round was, and you said that was ridiculous.

No, because once again, the situations are different because you're being selected in that point in the first round.

So regardless of.

Whatever happens, you're good anything beyond the third round.

Hell, I may even say be on the second round.

You're not good.

You can be released at any time.

I agree.

So you want to be set up in a position to be successful.

So you go anywhere you're if you're drafting the first round, doesn't matter where you're going to go, you just go.

You just you're good with it.

It's the first round and what it guarantees.

And guess what, even if you don't work out with your first team and they don't give you that pickup that fifth year option, someone else is going to pick you up.

You know why your first round.

You know you're a former first rounder.

So no, those two things are not in the same count.

But you're not guaranteed as a fifth rounder.

And I'm not trying to intentionally be argumentative.

IM just saying you're not guaranteed as a first fifth rounder, no matter where you went to contend for anything.

Any Okay, The idea is, if you're drafted anywhere after the third round, you may want to be a free agent.

So you can pick where you can go.

Because there have been guys and I've been in a situation where teams call after the draft.

Some teams offer you more money than other teams.

You want to go to a place that you have an opportunity to compete where there's not a lot of veteran guys.

When you think about Peyton Manning really quickly, do you know his backup quarterbacks, Curtis Painter, Jim Sorgey, you know Rock Ostwalder.

A lot of those guys flamed out because they went to a team with a quarterback like that.