May tenth, twenty twenty, Suzanne Morphew was last seen alive.

Her bicycle was missing, later found down a steep ravine.

Her home security cameras had been disabled, her daughters were out camping, her husband was out of town about I don't know, five hours away or four hours away, and she goes missing and it's Mother's Day.

So lots of red flags for me immediately.

But y'all, tonight we have Sergeant Joe jack Alone, retired NYPD.

Y'all, he ran homicide in the Bronx.

He ran the homicide school Medal of Valor.

Y'all know him, and he is going to help me on this thing.

Because when I tell you there are red flags, there are red flags, and there are updates, and the updates are red flags to me, Sergeant.

How are you good?

How are you Cheryl?

I am great.

I tell you I've been looking forward to talking to you all day.

This is one of those cases that just, you know, it baffles me how he wasn't arrested sooner.

And I understand they wanted to wait for a body.

I get that part.

But talk to me a little bit about his movements on that day and again y'all.

I'm gonna keep saying it.

It was Mother's Day, It was Mother's Day.

It was Mother's Day.

There should have been a phone call, some flowers, a gift or two.

There was none of that.

So to me, that's one of those things I can't get off that train.

Well, I just when I know, you're talking about red flags, and I always, you know, talk about red flags.

This case has so many red flags.

They would say it looks like China.

So, I mean, the biggest red flag is the fact that she was reported missing by a neighbor, not a neighbor, right, by a neighbor, not the not the husband, not the kids, right.

So it was the neighbor that that that that that started this whole thing.

And Sarge, it goes a little bit deeper.

He told the neighbor, Hey, go check and see it for bike's there, and if it's not, you call that one one.

Yeah, I mean, in her vehicle was in the garage, you know, there was they had no signs of forced entry.

Her her bicycle was missing, you know.

And then it was later on that day the bike was actually that night the bike was found, and it's just, you know, so many twists and turns and yeah, I mean he really originally was arrested, right, and then they had to release them without prejudice so that they can go at him again at a later date.

So and then full in with the you know, the double jeopardy aspect of this thing worked out to be a trial or what have you.

But yeah, I mean this is like it took a long time to put this together.

But you know what, I think they have the right guy.

Yeah, I do too.

And there's somebody cam that I want you to weigh in on.

When he drives back and he meets law enforcement where her bicycle was found.

And for those of y'all that are listening that haven't seen it.

Prior to him arriving, you see law enforcement in the area or walking around this ravine calling out for her, thinking she could be somewhere hurt, like with a broken leg, and she tried to you know, crawl to get help and couldn't get very far.

But it's away from the bicycle.

He pulls up, he gets out of the truck, serge.

He never looks for her, he never calls her name out.

These strangers are due.

But he didn't do it.

The first thing.

He offers.

The first thing.

He asked them, did a mountain lion get her?

Yes?

Did a mountain lion getter?

I guess well, you know what, I never had to worry about mountain lions in New York City, but you know, yeah, the issue that comes down to is we are victimized by someone we know most often, and quite frankly, you know as well as I do, Cheryl, the police are going to focus in on the people closest to an individual when they either go missing or they wind up dead.

You know.

So at this point they have a missing person's case going on that they believe that, you know, she went on a bike trip and a bike ride and something happened to her.

Maybe she could have got hit by a car, fell in a ravine or a ditch or what have you.

And that's how they were treating this from the beginning.

But I'm sure they had a side eye, so to speak, when they were doing this, because his actions don't add up to somebody who was worried about his wife missing.

Right, Because again, if you and I were in a room, I would say, Sarge.

The first thing he offered, go look and see if her bike's missing, Like he's leading me somewhere.

The next thing he says is did a mountain lion get her?

Like he's wanting me to have that in my head, that, oh, this lady's on a bike riding a mountain lion got her and drug her down there's ravine.

Well, like you said, it was, it was pretty clear when you look at it.

When he's you know, when he's when somebody's laying out what could have happened to the individual, you always say like, okay, here we go, and especially without input, you know where, hey, does your wife ride her bike?

All with that?

I mean it was it was.

I mean he comes up with that, that aspect of it, and then you know, of course three other red flag is by asking about the bike and then you know that whole thing.

So when he goes out of town for a work job on Mother's Day, his co work said his hotel room smelled like chlorine or chlorox.

Yeah, well, you know, nothing like saying something when you're throwing bleach on a crime scene, right right, Rot's Yeah, you know, it's one of those things where, of course you just take a look at that and start looking into different aspects of this guy's story.

I mean, nothing added up even from the beginning.

And you know it's unfortunate in so many levels that you know, you're dealing with a guy too, and they're asking about his relationship with his wife.

He's telling everybody how great, he's telling the cops how great it is.

It's the best is that?

And listen, folks, the cops, the investigators are going to ask, oh, your friends, your family, They're going to ask everything about that relationship.

And if I have to find your hairdresser, I'll find that hairdresser too, because they seem to tell hairdressers a lot more than they even tell their friends and their family, right, I'll find Yeah, I'm gonna find out everything I can from you, and I'm going to talk to people that you have no idea that I'm even going to talk about.

So if you're going to lie to me and tell me that everything was great, I'm sure I'm going to find something on the flip side of that.

And that's the thing I love about you.

Listen, not only y'all.

You have to know something.

This man is so capable when it comes to investigating homicides, but as a human being, he is funny.

He will have me laughing.

We were at a dinner party and somebody was trying to act like, you know, their life was so perfect and everything was great, and Joe jackalone had me laughing so hard.

I thought, I've got to leave this restaurant before I embarrass every one of us.

But when this man is questioned by law enforcement, he says that his marriage was perfect.

Yeah.

Now, Walt McCollum ever, says that he's going to say it very sarcastically.

I mean, your wife is missing their trying to get to the heart of what has happened.

Who would have heard her?

Who?

Was it a hit and run?

Did somebody kidnap her?

And you are putting up this front that everything is perfect, that you're perfect, she's perfect, and it's not.

Nobody's buying it.

Well, here's the thing.

I alway, you can your listeners.

Now, if you're asking if you're married, ask your husband, or if someone you know, a friend's husband, whatever, how's everything going over there?

They'll be like, it's okay, everything's fine.

They're rarely going to use the perlatives to say things, because listen, if you've been married for more than five minutes, there's going to be issues in your in your relationship is every day is something going on.

So that's right.

Yeah, I mean you're gonna be like everything's okay, right, but I mean when you're saying it's the best and all, he actually used the word, oh, it's my marriage is the best.

Uh yeah, No, listen, everybody's got some issues one time or another, and it is.

Hey, listen, you could have eaten my ice cream last night.

Now I'm astawfatch.

So it's not we're not we're not having the best relationship at the moment.

That's right, Scott Peterson.

It was glorious.

Yeah, like I said, the superlatigy, you know, because people normally don't talk like that, right, you know, you don't talk in those kinds of things.

And I give you asked me, so, how's how's your working?

She's she's doing good.

She's good.

Well, it's good.

Everybody's good.

Everybody's good.

Yeah, we're breathing.

That means we're good.

Yes, yes.

Well then you know they've got the video of him going to five different places dropping trash bags.

Yeah, talk about red flags.

Yeah, And he tries to give the story, well, you know, I'm in construction.

I sometimes don't have an opportunity to go to the dome.

I just put him in different places.

Yeah, and you know, listen once again, Okay, fine, we're gonna have We're gonna get your car digital forensics too.

We're gonna find out all the different places that you've gone to and if you got the GPS in there and all the other things that go along with it, we'll drop this pen or the warrant on that too.

If you're saying your car, yeah, if you're saying you use your car to do all this stuff and we have video of you doing things that are out of the ordinary, we're going to find that information out too.

And it's just part of the nature of the beast.

And you know what, like the old thing goes, you give a person enough rope to hang himself, and that's exactly what he did here.

That's right.

And you know, when you start looking at it, just a couple of the things.

You know, there's a dark needle, there's you know, somebody that's.

Had a tranquilizer.

Well, let's put it this way.

I give a credit to the investigators because they found the cover for one of these needles in the dryer, right, So they actually, yeah, took about thinking outside the box.

Right, So some detective, some crime scene detective or maybe even with the one of the homicide guys or girls, decided to say, he just take a look at the I guess you know, they probably put two and two together with the bleach smell at the hotel.

Figure maybe the person washed the clothes and sure enough they find the cap for the needle in there.

So they kind of probably that was one of their like aha moments.

Something was going on.

And the fact that he has he's one of the he's the only private person to have this drug that tranquilizes animals in the entire state of Colorado, and that his wife.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, you might be jumping the gun a little bit here, but the toxic cology reports when they do find the body, she comes up with this rare you know, this rare drug in her system through the bone marrow.

And listen, his excuse is the greatest I've ever heard.

He had a tranquilizer gun, that he was chasing chipmunks and shooting at them.

Now, Sargs.

NYPB I have said, in my opinion, is the greatest police department in the world.

I've said it.

I know for a fact you've got a few folks that can't stand still and hit a target that ain't moving like you want them to.

Yeah, And the police said that there was no evidence found of any shooting at any chipmunks.

And now they interviewed the neighbors too.

They said they didn't hear anything.

They didn't hear any you know, shots, nothing else.

And I mean, listen, I've heard of a lot of problems, but I've never heard of chipmunk problems.

And I'm going to tell you something.

I've got them all around the lake where we live.

You couldn't hit one if you tried.

I mean, you want to talk about zigging and zagging and being so tiny, Well.

They're like the size of your phone too.

It's like they're they're not that big.

They're not that big.

There ain't no way he's hunting titmunks.

So his lines are ridiculous.

But y'all, that's what happens when you're not anticipating that question.

He never thought that was coming up.

I find it amusing that you know, men who kill their wives or girlfriends, like, don't think that you're you're not the number one focus.

I mean, it gets to a point where it's absolutely ridiculous that people would actually choose this as a reason to solve their problems.

And I've said this before, Cheryl.

You know, when people choose murder as the answer to their problems, they set in motion a set of wheels and levers and things that they have never imagined in their lives that was going to come after them.

And people are going to be pulling out the stop and some very sharp detectives looking at some of these things.

And like I said, you get as lucky as hard as you work.

And finding that little cap inside the dryer was one of those instances.

I agree with you.

And the black box to his truck.

So here he thinks, I'm just going to put my phone on airplane mode, but the truck told him, Hey, in twenty three minutes, that truck had over eighty events open the door, opening, the trunk, move, and.

The best part of it, he said, he was taking a nap throwing all that.

Oh yeah he was sound sleep.

Yeah he was.

He was sleeping.

And they had Yeah, they have his car doors opening up in his trunk and everything else, you know, going throughout these things for like the next twenty five minutes when he said he was asleep.

And I used to love when people their alibi was I was sleeping or I was home watching television, you know.

Yeap, nobody saw me, Nobody else was there.

Yep.

Right, that's all you got.

That, yep.

And you know for you and I I know for me personally, I'll say I've sume you too, because I know you.

As soon as somebody changes their story, I will not move from that moment.

I won't do it because you've told me a lie.

One of these things is a lie.

So he originally said when he left, she was naked.

Then he said, no, she was wearing a little you know, strap shirt and short outfit.

Then he said, well, I don't know what she was wearing because she was tucked up under the cover.

Well, which was it, Barry?

I mean, this is Mother's Day morning.

She clearly didn't get breakfast in bed from you.

There's no flowers, there's no gift.

So Mother's Day she's gonna wake up alone to nothing.

And you didn't call her all day.

You only sent a text message.

And then once you found out from the neighbor she was missing, you didn't call her.

Then you didn't start calling her over and over and over.

You know how you do when you're worried about somebody.

If your wife said I'm gonna be home at five point thirty, by six o'clock, you're calling her by six thirty, you're a little panicked.

By seven, I mean, the police have already been called.

So I'm just.

Saying he didn't call her.

Then he texts her and says, call me.

Most of us, either it's one or the other, you're talking to each other or all day long, either via text, even just to check up on people, say hey, how you doing?

Just you know, hey, on the way home, can you pick something up?

Or you know, how's work going today?

I mean, all those different little tidbits and check ins happened on a daily basis.

And when you don't see that in that kind of communication, when you've saw it previously too, that's another red flag that you got to look at and say, like, why is this huge gap?

Yes, it could be a good reason that you were in a meeting all day and you couldn't do all this stuff, But even then you could sneak in the text here or there and go that I mean, listen, cell phone records, internet records, and video surveillance of the keys, which I refer to as the three forensic coursemen of the keys to solving cases, and we see it in this case, left and right.

Excellent point.

So talk a little bit about the people that may not know her remains were finally found.

Right.

So, they did find her remains buried in a shallow grave.

And then an anthropologist who is you know, studies the bones, and an entomologist, a forensic entomologist what does the insect activity?

Both agree that the location where she was found, she was not killed there and it was probably not her first burial site as well.

So they believe that they that she was killed buried in another shallow grave, and then whoever was responsible got spooked, dug her up, and brought her back to that location where they had where they found her.

I think it was it was several my I think my hour if I remember correctly, from where she lived.

And like you said, the toxicology showed she had that tranquilizer in her system.

I'm not even going to try to pronounce the track to tranquilize it, but it's they use the acronym BAM and it's it's very long on It's like Theaxo rival nucleic acid, but it's only worse.

And and it is a very controlled narcotic.

I guess you would refer to as a narcotics, a very controlled narcotic.

And you have to be everything every time it's sold, it's sold to an individual or a group that it gets recorded.

That's how powerful this stuff is, and they don't want to fall into the wrong hands.

He was the only private citizen that had access to it.

And yeah, and that's and it's found in her system, so you know, good luck trying to figure that out.

I think the theory is that he had chased her around the room or had he had shot her with the tranquilizer thought and then try to control her until she finally succumbed to the tranquilizer.

And you know, because there was some disturbance in the house too, I think there was some things that were out of place, which is always a good Another good observation by the Grandston text or the investigators there that things look at a place, you know, I would say, you look at things that are either missing or or in greater number than they should be.

So if you have a room.

Yeah, so there's if the scene is in a bedroom and there's there's four like sitting kitchen chairs in there, right, so that that would be a flag and saying that there's something going on here.

Maybe people was sitting watching something when it was happening.

So that's the kind of things that you look for.

Well, you know, I know you love coffee, and that's something you have in common with my husband Walk And I've often told people if I tell you Walk left for work and that coffee pot ain't been touched and at and work that morning, I killed him the night before.

You can prove it about five minutes when I watched the video of Barry Moore few at his home when law enforcement asked him to go inside and get some clothing so they can have it.

He walked straight in that house.

He doesn't look around, he doesn't call for her.

He does it instinctively, like almost in a panic, like surely she's here, you know, maybe she fail and she's in a closet.

I mean, I don't know, but he doesn't show anything.

He walked straight to where they want something.

They ask him, do you have a bag or anything?

He goes in the and gets some a ziplock bag.

They put the item in the ziplock bag and they all leave.

He doesn't look around.

He didn't say, hey, guys, will you go with me in case she's here nothing.

Maybe she had a medical event.

Maybe she got back after the bike accident and her head was hit so hard she's passed out somewhere.

Well, he didn't do that.

But in that kitchen, on that counter is one glass one not two.

I don't see a coffee cup.

I don't see two coffee cups.

I don't see dishes.

Well, he claimed the night before, of course, their marriage was perfect.

So you know, they made steaks, they had a wonderful time.

Of course, you know, they made love.

You know well he of course couldn't remember what she was wearing.

You know, the sex was that great.

But anyway, that's the image he's trying to portray that everything was perfect, everything was great.

But he's not panicked, he's not looking for her.

And then this is what one of my favorite things he does.

He sells her car.

A woman that's just you know, missing right now.

So again, she could have a head injury.

She could be walking around not knowing who she is but let me go ahead and get rid of her truck because he needed a new one.

That's what this is what happened.

So he's getting rid of it because he knows she doesn't need anymore.

It's yeah, it's it's absolutely terrible.

And you're talking about a couple that's been together, like since high school.

They knowing each other since high school, since.

High school, and y'all, they're a beautiful couple.

I mean, they're both attractive, Their children are attractive.

They seem like, you know, they've got the world by a string.

Their house is gorgeous and it's perfect.

I mean it's everything just looks top drawer, right.

And but we know the relationship is not all right because she even buys this spy pin.

Right.

I don't know if you were going to bring this one up, But they find this this spy pin, and it's just what it sounds like.

He could record conversations with it.

And the police found this thing and they identified it pretty much, but they only seemed to find in this spikepen that she's having a relationship with this guy Jeff.

Yeah, and yeah, it takes him a while to find out who this Jeff guy is.

But they finally do track him down and talk about red airrings.

Right this guy, Yeah, this guy deleted all his when he found out that she was missing and all the other stuff.

He goes into panic mode and he doesn't want the cops thinking that he did it, so he starts deleting text messages and all the other things.

So he then, of course firmly gets in the crossairs of law enforcement when they finally track him down and find it out.

But I mean, they wasted a lot of time on him.

I'm sure they weren't happy about that, but you know, they ended up he was He had a rock solid alibi that they that they found out that he was not even in the state I think when it happened, so.

Right, so he lived in another state and they would go to other states to have these little trysts.

Yeah, she knew him from high school too, so you know, for a lot of people, high school never ends.

So Barry was supposedly, you know, a big athlete in his high school.

He got the cheerleader, he got the beautiful girl.

To find out that she's having an affair with somebody from their high school.

That is motive people.

Yeah, No, I mean she's not only she's having this affair with this guy, but this guy he makes a statement like like, why didn't you like help?

You know, why didn't you say something?

He's like, well, you know, I'm married, I don't want to.

You know, my wife doesn't know about it.

I didn't want to my children and all the other stuff.

And well, dude, now everyone knows you now, the entire the entire world knows you now.

Everybody, right.

I mean, if you would have, if you would have just come forward from the very beginning, maybe they could have kept it under wraps.

You know, maybe they could have done that.

But since they had to find out who you were and took them like six months to do, so, the cats out of the bag, so to speak at that point.

So it sucks to beat him.

Yes, indeed.

And you know, when you're interviewing somebody's sarge, and you interview them multiple times and ninety five separate times, they say, I don't recall, I don't remember, I don't know.

Is that a problem for you?

Yeah?

I Actually, the worst words I think people could say is I have no recollection of that, like, no talks like that.

I have no you know, you watch your politicians say this thing, I don't recall, I don't have rec We train our detectives in New York City to never say that in court.

You just if you don't know, you say, I don't know.

It's just you know, because even though you're not saying anything wrong, so to speak, when you say I do not recall or I don't recall, people will think or speculate that you're trying to hide something if you don't if you don't know the answer, I don't know.

I don't know that, I don't know.

We have no independent I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know.

It sounds like a lie.

Yeah, I mean even though it doesn't you know, it could be the truth, right, I don't recall, I don't remember, but yeah, but it's you're better off saying.

I don't know, because again, in a normal conversation, if you're panicked and your wife is missing, you would say, I don't know, I've never heard that tranquilized, or I don't know what you're talking about, like you would move from that.

You wouldn't go I have no independent recollection of a tranquilizer.

When you say another thing too, about this, I don't recall, I used to say to people when they say, well, I don't recall the moment, so what what makes what?

What do I need to say to you to help you recall to remember?

What's going to make you remember then?

Right?

So that's the why people, if you get in front of the wrong person, then you start talking that kind of trash, they're gonna call you out on it, and then you're gonna make you They're gonna make you look silly.

That's why when people say I don't know, it's difficult to come back at them.

When they released him the first time, I know a lot of people were just beside themselves, but they had to do that to do it right.

Well, yeah, and they waited and then they recovered her, so I mean they did get more solid evidence.

Well exactly, and and you know, not to change subjects.

But there's other case that's going on now with this young girl that's missing, Melody Buzzard, right.

They to me, I think the cops kind of moved too fast on her to put her in jail for this other case about you know, this kidnapping case whatever, just to hold her and then the case falls apart today and they have to release her.

So The point is social media and news agency the media in general sometimes can can force the hand for law enforcement, like saying, let's you do something and you end up kind of screwing up.

I'm glad I didn't have to work under these kind of conditions that these investigators have to work under today, where you know, the social media and the TikTokers and all everybody else that's going around while you're trying to investigate the case.

Could you imagine how annoying that must be.

Yeah, it's it's a different world when you've got anybody that can now be a reporter, anybody.

Anybody can start a podcast, anybody can start a TikTok, anybody can go live on Facebook while something's unfolding.

And you know, some of it may be good, like some of these child abuse situations.

You know, you're putting it out there, live for God and country.

Then something's going to get done.

But then on the other hand, you've got some people whose lives are being ruined when it turns out they didn't really do anything and some things were missed or misread.

So let's just say this sometimes in the wrong hands, right, Yeah, it's a.

New world right there.

For investigators.

There's a lot to be excited about, like you know, IgG and all these other things here.

But the flip side of that is the social media angle.

It becomes a real burden I think for police departments, and I just hope that we don't see things where they're reacting in a way that they normally wouldn't react just to try to get an answer out to the public.

Well, I'll tell you one funny thing, so we'll end on something funny.

My department, we made a mistake and gave a prisoner back some property that was illegal for him to possess.

It was just a mistake.

We handed him the wrong bag.

He was so thrilled he wrote it in one of his rap songs.

Hey listen, something's happened, right.

Mistakes happened.

Things happened, and you had to own them.

But the thing that comes down to is that you just never want to respond to unfounded speculation to try to run your investigation.

That's what that's might main concerned going forward.

That's a great point, Sarge.

I appreciate you.

You are one of my go to people when I have a need for advice, if I need somebody to look at something, to tell me what I've missed.

I appreciate it more than you know, and I cannot wait to sit down with you again when this trial gets going.

Sounds like a plan tonight, I'm gonna let Sarge leave.

The quote Mark Tween said, Eke, your mouth shouldn't be assumed the fool, then open it and leave no doubt.

Unfortunately Berry never heard of that one.

I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is own seven