Welcome to crime around up.

I'm Cheryl McCollum, and y'all already know the man, the mynth, the legend is here, and y'all, this is gonna be a good Thursday night.

We're gonna talk about sex.

Baby, all right, it's a rainy night in Georgia.

This is gonna be a hot one.

We're gonna steam it up.

One quote, the jail was a brothel.

Now, if that don't set the stage.

I hope everybody knows exactly what Cherl's talking about, because you know, we're gonna we're gonna delve into the depths of Kentucky, uh and talk about the outrageous reports from on the ground and this stuff circulating widely about there.

Are people coming forward and it's one thing if you hear there might have been a little sex for favors, like you pull over your ex girlfriend for speeding and y'all work out a deal right there on the side of the road, and everybody goes on about their business.

People have heard of that.

Yeah, rumors us.

What they're talking about is, can you imagine if Otis and Mayberry was checking himself out to go overnight to sleep with at b.

It is absolutely nuts what happened or what's being talked about with this district Court judge Kevin Mullins, who just remind everybody got shot to death back in September on camera with an immediate turn in, you know, very interesting dynamic there by one of his good buddies, Sheriff Sean Mickey Stein's and Micky Stein's and the judge went back years and Micky Stein's had just testified in a deposition, and there are some lawsuits going around, and so there were a bunch of whispers when the murder had and everybody started getting involved about this complicated story.

I actually talked about it with Vinny last night about how the daughter of the sheriff wasn't answering one phone call, but then when called from the judge's phone or her number was in the judge's phone.

And the problem is that there's video but no audio, and obviously the only surviving audio source is highly biased, being that he's going to be up on trial, quite possibly in a death penalty posture.

This is the murder of a public official that's basically at the top of the how you get the death penalty equation and really what's happening now, are people in the community, now that the shock has worn off, coming out and actually talking out in the open with big news groups about literally sex parties.

And these are sex parties with everybody in county.

And you know, there are some really hilarious quotes about everybody in the county being swingers and people literally walking into the judges chambers.

As you know, officials and inmates are in flagrante delicto.

That's your legal term of the day, sharel it's the polite way of saying knocking boots, horizontal mambo, whatever you want to call it.

They were fornicating in chambers and apparently this was just known.

Oh it was an open secret.

It had to be because let me tell you something.

They had cabins, they had apartments.

It wasn't just the chambers.

They were paying rent and mortgages in order to keep these parties going.

They some people have come out and said there were sex swings, there were mirrored ceilings, there was cocaine.

This wasn't a little bitty after school party.

This was a full own dagum near diddy party.

Oh yeah, no, it took the words out of my mouth.

This is the Kentucky version of Diddy.

Uh.

Because and this some Ofasell casts are coming lottery from law enforcement member, former employees at the jail, from the Sheriff's department, saying yeah, I know about it.

How oh I was invited, but I don't get down like that.

It makes me think about all these Hollywood jokesters.

And because you know that the gossip, the innuendo had to have been overpowering, especially in one of these small communities where they think they've got a secret.

You know that there were all kinds of secret references.

This is something that they enjoyed having out in public as a public secret.

Uh.

And it just you hear about it, you read about it, You probably dream about it when you're a little teenager.

And now look we're seeing it.

And without a doubt, Nicky Steins is going to get put on trial for murder.

And you know, you and I have both been around long enough we know several judges that will give consideration and favors to women that are attractive.

There's some misogyny that is home cooked into the system.

Unfortunately.

Yes, it just is what it is.

And folks using their power in the system to say, hey, you don't want to play ball.

You could get ninety days instead of thirty, and we could get cps to take your kids.

Who are they going to believe me or a drug.

Addict, and believe it or not.

It's way more common than I think people think, because unfortunately, the cases are almost never prosecuted, and it may not even be a violation of that officer's sworn duty because you run into the issue of how do you tell sheriffs officers not to quote unquote date and it has some very sticky hr considerations, and it has been upheld multiple times that activities that occur in police cars is not okay, but it's certainly not something that's going to necessarily get you in trouble.

Now, the bigger problem is that there's just cameras everywhere, and.

You know, we're not making light of anything.

I want people to understand.

Children are getting hurt here.

There are other spouses that are going to be embarrassed and hurt here.

You've got a religious community, You've got you know, parents, You've got a lot of people that are going to be hurt over all of these allegations.

But you've also had real estate agents possibly and law enforcement at every level, and the judicial system at every level that's involved in something where somebody says the whole town is involved.

The whole town.

And when you're talking about these small towns that and people that aren't familiar with them.

You know what church everybody goes to if you run for office?

The church you go to matters like you you go to the Methodists, you go to the which one?

Which preacher is going to stand there in your in your campaign at you know which community groups?

Are you a Kawana?

Are you an elk are you these aren't people that are hermits.

If you want to win and keep getting elected in small town America, you're out there in the community, walking in the parade, sponsoring the scouts, doing the school appearances, letting the kids turn the lights on.

And now you've got it that these people uh And remember, in theory, the judicial law enforcement branches are separate.

The just shouldn't be having any kind of relations with with sheriffs like this, but you know, you've got it happening in such a naked and express way from all these reports, it really makes you a question what's real and what's just you know, messaging an image and are people really watching and do people really care?

Because do you think the US Attorney's going to get involved?

I think they have to, because I think that any investigation is going to be tainted in so many levels, because you know they're going to send it to the Kentucky version of the Kentucky GBI or whatever their high executive level of investigations are.

But those officers very often are sourced from these small communities, getting ethically clean and away from stuff.

This is a judge.

Judges go to judges conferences.

I was just talking with a prominent colleague last night who is representing the spouse of a judge and had just been recused or their judge.

They were set for trial in two weeks and the judge that was supposed to try this very contentious family law case just got back from the judicial conference that all the judges go to in Georgia came back promptly announced to all litigans he had to recuse because he'd served on a committee with the judge that is the defendant respondent in the family law action.

Because you've got to get away ethically.

I don't know if that's possible in a state like Kentucky.

So they may need that US Attorney's Office investigation, FBI investigation, but you know, their plates kind of full over there as well.

All right, well, let's jump to the next one.

Coburger.

He has filed some complaints of sexual harassment.

Now, y'all, I'm just going to state something because it is factual, not because any of this is for anybody's enjoyment.

It's not karma, but he has made in my opinion, being somebody that has been with the Department of Corrections, been in Rice Street as a deputy, this is equivalent to telling the teacher it is not gonna be met with remorse and regret to it is gonna be met with They ramped up and constant just bullying.

And we all knew you called it to the tea about how challenging his entry into long term housing was going to be.

And people, you gotta understand, the folks sitting around in prison, they're bored.

They notice any change.

If you start putting fish in and out of the school, they all know immediately.

They've probably been talking about it for months.

They've been watching the case because you know, states only have so many maximum security prisons.

If you if you're on death row in Georgia or super met man, I generally can tell you what your address is here in Georgia.

There ain't very many place as they put them, and so they were waiting for him.

They know that he has some funding which commissary accounts and out of With these lifers and these man it's it's awful.

The extortion, it's awful.

The threats on the outside.

It there are fears that you do not realize until you have spent time exposed to the depravity of long term human hopeless storage, because there is no consideration of the outside and your family and your family's family, and your work and your morals and ethics, because those morals and ethics got suspended when you crossed over that line and they hit.

I'll give it to mister k I give them props for using the grievance system as it was designed to work.

Well.

You know in his past life, whoever writes better usually wins, and I'm sure he fired off some beautifully written PhD level complaints.

The issue is going to be, where are you going if you think B block and D block is any different than J block.

Again, sir, you are not prepared.

Now his Gen Pop experience is going to be a daily and constant threat for at least some period of time because the other inmates are going to shake him out and figure out what he's made of.

And he has also suffered from being a limited exposure a solitary confinement in the pre trial process.

He wasn't out there in Gen Pop in a county jail.

You know, they had him on ad SEG lockdown.

They're going to try to acclimate him in the loosest security possible at that facility, because when you get into the maximum security facilities, it's all about keeping people from getting killed.

That that's really the prime directive is, Hey, we need to keep these individuals tamped down and separated to the degree that the killing and beatings are kept to a minimum, because we all know they're going to happen.

We know the statistics about mental health, and then we know the people who aren't mentally mentally ill and just terrible evil people that did awful, violent things and are maladjusted to this is where we put them.

And mister Coberger I believe will end up in some sort of segregated lockdown solitary in the near future for extended periods of time.

I agree, they're not going to have a choice if they're going to try to, you know, keep him safe and keep everybody else from just rioting to get to him.

Because he is odd, he is unusual.

He could not, you know, get with the group in high school.

He could not manage to get himself in with a crowd.

In college.

He walks into your office, you know what you're up with?

Oh yeah, yeah.

I hate to say it, but you know, first impressions do count.

I imagine some of that had to do with his decision to take a plea because you see the just demeanor and appearance and outward projection of certain people.

It's tough, and I'm not going to say it's fair.

I don't.

I know you can do things to make yourself appear and work on your person skills and all that.

Some people didn't, and he's going to continue to struggle.

I got a bad feeling about him long term, because I think he thinks he's smart enough to still get out of it, get away when something happens.

Yep, I don't have a good feeling either.

But listen, before we head out into this storm that's approaching here, you know, it's just oh, it's beautiful.

It's beautiful.

But I got to tell you something, friend of friend, y'all.

I don't know if y'all know this or not, but I have been involved with a case that's pretty high profile in Fulton County, and not once, but twice now Joshua has said, Nah, let's not go there, let's hold off.

And I just want to tell y'all, you know, there's some folks in this world that they would use this opportunity and hey, let's get some clicks and let's make this a little outrageous and we can use this for our own gain.

But as my friend, he's like, girl, don't do it.

Nope, you gotta respect.

And it's not just my care and friendship and love for you as a person.

It's the respect that I know you have for the system and that you know I have for the system, and you've got to have fidelity to the system.

And the system is and it's a case that I have commented on.

I know every single person involved except for one of the lawyers, and that's because he just graduated from my alma mater three years ago and one of my dear friends was one of his instructors and it is a great judge.

It is a fascinating case.

But you've got to respect the process.

And that's frustrating when that means sit down, shut up, because I tell you, Mac, if you want to get some clicks, boy, people would light up talking about that one, especially giving your really unique perspective that comes from only being you and your genuine interest in these kinds of cases.

Well, when we can talk, we will, But yeah, I.

Just want to people know we're not ignoring it.

We're not ignoring you.

I have seen all the messages.

I've read most of them.

I read all of them because some of them, even the way they started, I was like, not today, you know, I'll read that later.

But we will talk about it when we can and it'll be great, but it's not appropriate right now.

Yeah, it'll be great because I'm excited because when you see, life is all about perspective, because you only view things from your perspective, and one of the important parts of wisdom and understanding is being able to reverse roles and look at things from other perspectives.

It's one of the things whereas can't talk about because it's such a powerful tool.

Hey, get in the shoes of my person.

Getting to talk with Cheryl about this case is going to be great because this is one of the most unique perspectives I've ever thought of within a prosecution and defense, and that perspective is absolutely unique, and I'm really looking forward to academically as well as personally to hearing about Like I just think it's gonna be fascinating.

All right, well, let's go enjoy that storm and toast that lightning.

Y'all have a great week.

I wish everybody the absolute best smile out there.

Remember to punch up.

I've got to punch down.

Punch up.

That's how you're gonna win in this life.

And thank y'all so much for tuning in this week.

We'll see y'all next week.