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The Patriots coming off a tough twenty to thirteen loss to the Las Vegas Raiders, and we're here to break it down for you guys in the next couple hours.

Boss man Fred Kirshley joining us.

Monty Lunis back again here.

I'm still here, guys.

I'm still here for.

Alow, Mike do So, and guys, I guess to me the biggest takeaways.

We heard a lot this week watched Fortune Fox brote mike're Able talking a lot about second half and coming out in the second half.

Reports that he would pause practice during team drills to simulate a halftime break to come out in the second half, and it they just didn't have it today.

In the second half, they couldn't figure out Geno Smith, a lot of downfield passing offense.

Seemed like they came out, Paul, they started to put together a little bit again, pick up where they left off when they had some good drives in the second quarter, and then Drake through that interception, and that was all we wrote.

What'd you think?

Like you said, it was very hopeful at the beginning, it was a little frustrating to watch.

Then, like you said, the Hope cat chipped in, I'm really impressed with the defense.

Of course, Harrow Landry, I dc a guy, good excuse to brag on that.

But otherwise, like you said, there's a lot of work in progress right now.

But I still I think it's hopeful.

It's not obviously the end of the one.

I threw it right to you after a loss.

I feel like I put you on the spot.

You need to how we managed these ones.

You feel like this was more up my alley is that I think you made some good points.

The first one is Vrabel did make a big deal out of the second half, winning the second half, and the Patriots were utterly dominated in the in the last thirty minutes of this game.

So that's a disappointing thing.

I also feel like it's sort of you came out the game plan, I would say, Edge Raiders.

The Raiders looked like the better team.

The first two drives they went right down the field and scored.

They looked like they were poised to go right down the field and score again.

Tip pass, nice play by Carlton Davis.

Jalen Hawkins is there to sort of stem the tide.

And from that point on, I thought the Patriots showed some really good adjustments.

They started to they shut down Genty after Genty got out to a little bit of a good start, he was a non factor on the ground, and then the Patriots offense started cooking after an initial you know, was it three and out the first drive?

After initial three and out, I think they moved the ball the next three or four times they had it.

So I was like, well, so whatever the Raiders were doing at the outset caught New England by surprise.

It took him a driver to to adjust.

They did, and now they had the better team.

Then they went into halftime and the exact opposite happened, only the adjustments never came in the second half.

The Raiders just completely took the game over from there.

Yeah, that sums it up pretty well.

What do you say, guys, Let's get right into the good, the bad, and the injured.

Now it's time for the good.

Pretty good, pretty pretty good, the bad.

And the injured.

Ah, you are right guy.

By the way, Larry David is my spirit animal.

So I really appreciated that.

There you go.

It's pretty good.

Not a ton of pretty pretty good to talk about here today, but there were there was some good and I'll kick it off guys.

You know, I thought Kaishaan Boudi was really productive today.

Came through with some some big moments, some big catches and really you know, eight targets, six catches, one hundred and three yards.

Nice day for him.

Usually last year we saw him maybe make a couple of big plays down the field and you know, three catches for like fifty yards something like that.

But a little bit more consistent out of kai Shan Boody.

Really solid summer for him.

You're starting to see just the confidence Drake May has in him going down the sideline, little comeback routes.

Number of those today.

That one was a big, big third and ten right there in the first quarter when it really felt like the Patriots were kind of you know, hanging by raiders, came out looked really good.

This was a big conversion here to Kaishan Boody.

But nice day from him, really productive and nice way to start the year off from him after another good year last year.

Kayshan Boody, I would wholeheartedly agree with Booty.

I had him on my list as well.

I thought he made some big plays and you're right about that first one.

The game might have gone in a different direction earlier than it did had they not made that big thir down conversion.

Funny you got one.

Yeah, I was signing off on Booty as well, but I just wanted.

To say I'm not gonna lie stamp, all right.

But also we talked about when you asked what were the small factors in kicking.

The kicking game was very important.

Bert Goless not perfect, but I think proving that he can hold up for the team, and you know, in a game like this where the weather was a little bit of a factor, it was good to see that he can't hold up again, improvements needed, but really excited to see where that goes.

One miss though that.

Get the good but I will just.

Make sure he'll show up later in the program.

This is how worse exactly.

So my first one was I thought the past rush in general, but Harold Landry Quantie mentioned her see teammate classmate two and a half sacks.

I thought he and to a lesser extent, Chase On did provide some edge pressure during the day.

I thought they had a I was a little disappointed overall, just because I thought they had to dial up some of the pressure that they did.

But be that as it made, they were able to get around Gino Smith, and I think that's what allowed them to sort of take control of the game there.

Second quarter.

The big change was the Patriots defense started to get after Gino Smith a little bit.

Unfortunately they didn't sustain that in the second half.

But Harold Landry two and a half sacks in his debut with the Patriots has to be on the good list.

No, absolutely, yeah, he's on my good list, and not just absolutely on my good list.

But you know, I'm just I'm a little torn right now because Gino Smith went twenty four to thirty four, seventy percent completion rate three hundred and sixty two yards.

I went back and looked at how he performed last year here against the Patriots.

He was thirty three of forty four for three hundred and twenty seven yards last year.

So you have two back to back performances here by Geno Smith that it felt to me a little bit like when they didn't get pressure.

Oh he was pitching no answer, he was pitching catch.

And I'm sure there's plenty to digest with the film and where the breakdowns were.

Is Christian Gonzalez going to make the difference that they need?

I mean, clearly, there were just too many easy plays and you're seeing a touchdown right there on third and eleven where it's a chance to get a red.

Don't stop.

I don't mean to dip into the bats right here, but it's just yes, I liked the pass rush when the pass rush was good, but I thought it was obvious when the pass rush wasn't showing up.

Gino Smith had some time and he was able to make a number throw.

So sorry, I don't want to dabble there.

I was going to say we're going good you show show and the next one up.

Though I got it.

I'm a little torn on this, don't is that what you're telling I don't really have any goods more.

I I just was gonna mention Jalen Hawkins, but you had a great point in the in the press box, Paul.

It was up and down for him.

A couple of big plays that I just thought were, you know, kind of critical, and that was enough maybe to get him in.

But he you know, he had a sack off of Blitz on the third possession there that the Raiders had and I thought that that was a big play Johnny on the spot there with with the interception that was tipped by Davis.

So two plays that were pretty good.

I think he also had had a run stop, so not terrible.

But there are also some plays that he probably wants to have bad.

Yeah, I yeah, again, we'll I'll save the other list most of the stuff that I had, like sort of things happened later in the game to sort of change it.

Like I had Carlton Davis on my good list.

Initially I thought he made the play on the interception.

I thought he showed some really tough coverage on Bowers early on.

By the way, tudos to us for sort of identifying that Carlton Davis would be involved with the coverage on Bowers at times.

But then I thought he gave up too many completions, you know, right down to the third and twenty.

At the end of the game, he gets beat on a double move by Dante Thornton.

So a little bit of an uneven day for him too.

I don't have a lot of things, and I had protection for the most part, was good enough, and then it kind of wasn't good enough anymore in the second half.

As the second half war on, the more the pressure was getting the Tyree Wilson, former first round pick for the Raiders, started to show up a little bit.

Malcolm Koontz Crosby was a problem all day.

So even some of the things that I had that were good eventually sort of were just like they were yeah, yeah, yeah, that's how it goes.

I mean I would I would not sum it up, but the Raiders were five to thirteen on third down thirty percent.

I mean, that's normally a pretty good number.

It's decent, but this is one where stats kind of lie.

They didn't get enough third downs, right, I mean I got to look at which drive it was.

I mean there was there was like they didn't even get they got one second down there on one of these drives here in the first quarter.

I mean the Raiders had four hundred yards off.

It could have been more if they were sort of trying to score sort of at the end of the game, you know, they would just kind of running the clock out.

One thing I'll put on the good list that we haven't really talked about is the run defense, which is something that was a question mark for me anyway.

I won't speak for you guys.

I know they they came in with a little bit of a you know, smaller, more aggressive athletic group up front, A couple of nine yard runs for genty.

I think genty had twenty two yards in his first three carries of the game.

Well, he only ended up with thirty eight for the game, nineteen for thirty eight three two yards of carries.

So the run defense in this game was pretty stout.

I thought up front.

Yeah, I mean I would yeah again, I mean not to poop poo it, but you know it's like the one rookie, one rookie running back and some of the yards that they did get.

We're tough.

That touchdown he had where you have him in the backfield and he's able to short yard.

I get what you set up in the one they didn't pick up him.

Felt they made.

Some adjustments early on, which I liked, and that felt like but at the same time, it always felt like, well, when you want to just put Tonga in and get a little heavier, you probably can't stop it.

They came out and sort of.

A nickel look with just bar More and Milton Williams inside, which more off the field guy.

So I don't know, we'll see going forward how this run defense shakes out.

But I know, Quinn, you got any other goods you want to throw up on there, Let's just get to the bad.

Yeah, we'll just get to the bad.

Wow.

So it kick off return by Antonio Gibson.

There you go.

There were some plays that's how we do it.

You know in recent years individuals that Marcus Jones made a big play on the third down to get Jacobe Myers just short of the sticks.

Unfortunately Genty easily converted the fourth down.

They got it on fourth down.

Well, just to pick up what we said, off at the top.

I'm just gonna put the second half on the bad list.

That's almost more of.

A that's really coming out and you know, having to make adjustments looking for ways to it almost felt to me, Paul, And again, you know, we'll see once the reports come out of what did they do differently in the second half.

They start sending more pressure because suddenly Drake didn't look like he was trusting what he was seeing.

He looked off.

He wasn't able to, you know, ever really adjust in that second half.

He never found that stride after he threw that initial interception.

So I'm going to just say the second half overall coming out playing better football.

And it sounds like Mike Rabel has been acutely aware of how important this is all week.

We heard about it all week, all summer long.

So hopefully they're able to find a way to be better in the second half.

Who's up one point?

Yeah?

I why not?

Yeah?

So I absolutely love the way you framed it.

The good was definitely the first half.

The bad definitely just the loss of momentum seeing how good they were doing in the beginning.

The turnovers, you know, turnover swing for May just kind of change the tone, but overall, just the slow start.

I think it was scary to in the first half.

The slow start, I think kind of came back in the second half, and that momentum wasn't exciting either.

The offensive stalls just you know, I don't know what was going on, Like after seeing the first half, I'm genuinely curious what the second half adjustments were, because it clearly was a step backwards.

Unfortunately.

No, I think that's a good call out too, because they you know, they came out and it was like, geez, what's going on.

They didn't look they didn't really look ready to play.

The Raiders looked like they were, and early on it looked like it was going to get away from them until that interception.

Very nervous in the beginning.

Trains has changed the complexion of the game a little bit.

But I think that's a that's a good shout out.

Too, So my first one.

And I know that you had talked a little bit about Hawkins already.

Hawkins is my my my focus on the bad list here, and it's related to a lot of stuff.

You know, they decided to go in a direction, whatever reason, it was away from Kyle Duggar and certainly away from Jabrill Peppers, who's no longer on the team now.

Dugger actually ended up starting the game for a play.

Then we didn't see him for a while.

Then he was sporadically in the game.

I don't think he played a tremendous amount of snaps in the game.

But you go with Hawkins and Woodson.

Now, the rookie Woodson, I didn't really notice him in any negative spot, So that to me is a good sign for you know, a young safety made a couple of tackles, looked like a shore tackler.

Hawkins I noticed a lot and sometimes you mentioned good.

He had nice blitz that you that you talked about, and you know he was Johnny on the spot for the interception.

I give that play to Carlton Davis more than Hawkins.

But wow, wow, what a rough day for Hawkins and coverage and another cheap penalty.

This is the kind of stuff that we saw last year.

I said to you like two weeks ago in one of my rants about Pepper's all I ever noticed Jalen Hawkins is diving on piles with his head and he was standing up.

This time he took the dive out and just head butt of the guy to give a free fifteen yards.

Got torched on the third and third and long play for the first touchdown of the game to Trey Tucker.

Was it Trey Tucker that caught that one?

Trey Tucker?

I think yeah, twenty six yard touchdown on a third and long.

Kind of a questionable defensive call there too.

Looked like they had kind of like a zero zero blitz and you're just you're locking up Jalen Hawkins on a wide receiver, a fast one at that.

So I thought he lost Boers earlier in the game on that drive for a key, key pickup.

So not good enough.

This is what you decided to do with your safety, So you're going to be under scrutiny with how those guys play.

And I don't think the safeties were very good today.

The boss Man, Fred Kirsch joins the Patriots post game show presented by DraftKings.

Fred, we're on the down list already, a very short stay.

I had it already.

I had a half a pumpkin donut.

I'm disappointed.

I was expecting the donut.

Well, you know, we didn't win.

Ye had half a donut?

Yeah, but everybody loves I donut.

I don't.

What do you got, Fred, what are your thoughts from the game.

It's just listen, you know.

You know.

So I don't know if you know Kwantie, But during the game, I'm doing a blog with people from all over the world.

Knows, and yeah, everybody's talking about it.

So obviously it's they're not happy out there.

But like I said to them, I know this is a continuation so far of what we've seen over the last four years.

But I refuse to make conclusions about this team based on one week.

But in this game, they were easy to defend.

There was too many things that we have seen the last.

Three In this game, they were too easy to defend.

There just wasn't a threat from the Patriots to stop the Raiders from crowding the line of scrimmage, from from playing tight.

We didn't burn them over that, and we certainly didn't have a ground game to counteract that.

So you know, in this game we were easy to defend.

And on defense just really mental errors, you know, dumb mistakes.

Paul mentioned, you know, the unnecessary roughness penalty on Hawkins.

He was burned a couple times, so you know at least two other times on big plays, one where Bowers just got freed up over the middle where he just didn't cover him, and then another one that ended up being a touchdown where I don't know if he thought he had help, but again the guy just ran right by him.

So these are these are mental errors that just can't happen when you're a team like the Patriots.

They're going to be every game, even if they win it, it's going to be a close game.

So you just can't afford.

You can't afford missing forty four yard field goal or forty yard forty early.

So it's disappointing.

But again, I'm just not going to make conclusions about this team based on this game.

You know, one's good, good point by Freddy about the conclusions off of one week.

That's nowhere do you more conclusions off, you know, wild conclusions off.

Of one last week, Week one in the nflast week one last year, right, celebrating bad time to.

Make conclusions right, the reactions were made for Week one of the NFL.

That's right.

I just say that.

I I understand though fans being a little weary after the last year.

A lot of the elements that you saw, some of the sloppiness with the penalties, the inability to produce points on the you know, there's and I mean, look, bad football is bad football teams.

Like you know, there's only really, you know, a couple of ways to lose football games, and when you're not good enough, this is how it kind of looks.

So but I agree, you know, I I hope that there that they're able to build off of this and start to build some momentum.

I did see some you know, some fight back and a little bit there, but you know, continuing the bad I would just kind of piggyback off what you said, Fred and just say the penalties and it wasn't They both had nine penalties.

It's kind of matches what you would think in the first game of the season if.

We were doing the Raiders post game show, that would be on my bad list for the Raiders too.

Yes, but some of the timeliness of them, especially at the end when you're hanging by a thread and you're false starting and a lot of those drives in the second half felt like they were getting penalties right out of.

There the game when you're down, you know, in field goal range there.

That's bad, bad time.

What bothers the offense is the offense right now, it's you know, I don't know if you guys talked about May he didn't have a good game.

Let's put it we actually he had a bad game.

But I'm more right now concerned about the defense because you know, I know Gonzo wasn't in there, but I'm not seeing any complimentary It's not like we can say, well, you know, they got pressure, but they had trouble covering.

They didn't get either.

The only time they really had pressure is when they sent like a safety blitz or something like that.

I did make that game.

That's how that Landry was good.

But I thought they schemed up.

But even then, like not off four men, you know, not like bar Oh.

Now we've got bar More and.

We've got Milton Williams and we've got Landry coming off and Chase on.

I didn't see that type of just four man pressure.

Uh.

And then when they didn't get there, like the coverage just wasn't there.

You know, Myers just you know torturing us.

Uh.

And you know we came into the games.

You know, they really don't have a lot of good receivers.

Well, they didn't really need a lot of.

Good to your point, you know, on Myers he had ten targets, eight catches, the two that he didn't catch with drops, Yeah, yeah, he was open every other time.

And I can think of the two plays that he had in his hands that he didn't catch, you know, eight for ninety seven.

And for a guy, you know, we saw Jacoby Myers for four years, right, not a lot of yak today.

He looked like looser guys in the league.

And and and it's not like he was open, like we were bouncing off of them.

There was some bad tackling.

It was.

It was week one football, but it was more so for us than the Raiders.

Now they their four team team going for one team going into the season two.

So you look at the schedule, Oh the Raiders are a win, but this is what happens.

We were You know, you can't do that.

You can't do that in I agree, who knows how who knows how much better they're going to be this year with now Pete Carroll as their head coach.

And I made the comment just like the game looked like like in early in the fourth cause like this looks like two bad teams playing that are improved from last year.

They both won four games last year, and at times they looked more than competent.

Today.

The Raiders started the game really well.

The Patriots about halfway late in the first quarter, caught fire and then dominated the second quarter.

You know, there were periods of time when both teams looked really good, but they're both bad teams still trying to figure out their way, and they made a lot of mistakes, a lot of self inflicted wounds.

I just got the feeling that at halftime Carol said, or you know, maybe the defensive coordinator as well.

We're giving this guy this team too much respect.

Yeah, like, go get him.

I do want to say something that I said to fred off Air, No want you and get this because this is a Patriots unfilter thing.

Hats off to Freddy.

He said, if I would pee Carroll, I would forget about what I normally do and I would test this secondary without Gonzo.

And they certainly did, and Gino Smith let him up again.

Well that's one hundred yards, I mean sixty two.

Okay, but is it too simple to just say that they had the better quarterback today?

Because no doubt you know, prop Ouers certainly made a couple of plays that you were like, wow.

They have under receivers on your show this week.

They thought they were going to put you under the under the fire and they said for this game, who would you take?

Gino or Drake?

And you didn't think that was ridiculous us.

You know, of course it's been around when I asked me and we ten and I said, I go.

What you would hope is by the middle of October or the start of November, people were saying, no, no, no, Drake May has made that rise.

He's now better than the middling quarterbacks in the NFL.

And that's where I would put Gino Smiley.

Yeah, I wouldn't put him in the top ten, but I put him in the bottom, you know, the bottom twelve.

Here in the middle.

He's a fifteen or so quarterback, and today he was He was much more accurate than Drake.

Yeah.

It was the May sprays to the pop up, right, get go and could have.

Had several interceptions on the balls that went off of his receiver's hands, which are almost all bad throws, and only one of them ended up getting picked off.

The one he got hit as he threw, but he had a couple of tip passes that fell harmlessly.

I thought in the second half, especially when they stuttered coming out of the gate or sputtered.

I should say, I thought that if there was a time to maybe start, you know, rolling out the design runs for Drake, that they might do that just to get the raiders off balance.

But other than one like little option, they.

Had one read off that he had he had run that he kept himself.

Yeah, but like they really didn't do that, and you know, maybe it's too early for that.

I don't know, but or maybe it's not in.

The I will say, you know, in terms of maturation, he had a couple of early scrambles that he slid.

I made a joke with Evan and Mike Drake has had had more slides in this game than he did all last year, which I like to see.

You know, get get a couple of yards, get out of back, get out of negative plays, but then get down.

We're not you know, if if the game is on the line, that's different.

You know, if that's like you're down seven at the end of the game and you're sliding before the sticks, that's not good.

You got to try to make a play.

But early in the game today, first game of the season, a couple of early scrambles get down.

Yeah, it was wet.

He wanted to slide a little bit, little slip and slide out there.

So is he officially on the bad list to anyone?

I think I think Fred, really, I think Fred was good with that.

All right.

You know, we'll let the boss man take the quarterback on the on the bad list.

It's funny.

That's another one, like when he when he got going late in the first quarter and into the second.

I had Drake on my good list.

He's ripping until until he wasn't you know, Mike had it was second half pick, yeah, punt, punt, punt.

Well you had you had the three drives where they had a twelve play seven, the second drive twelve play seventy seven that ended.

You know, they came off of the interception score a touchdown, great eleven play sixty seven drive, and then a nine play forty four yarder which you know should have produced at least sixteen points with the miss field goal.

But you know that little stretch there from the late first into the second, it felt like they were finding a stride and then the drives are three plays six plays three three, six.

Five and the last drive with ten.

But you know, not enough.

I know we mentioned tackling.

That was also on my list.

Fred Fred kind of brought that home.

I mentioned penalties.

Just the pass defense consistently, just there was so much, so many open receivers, easy pitch and catch throws.

The only guy saw that was reasonably tight to was man was Alex Austin.

Maybe we should have put in him him individually play.

Yeah, we had two or three nice plays.

He had a good great deep coverage early in the game.

It was right on the hip of Thornton, I think on a deep ball.

Ye, nice pass defense.

I thought for the most part he was where were supposed to be.

He wasn't perfect for him either, but you know these guys, you're not going to pitch.

Shut up.

You know I'm not the ball nowhere that uh.

I'd like to ask him what defense were the Patriots in and coverage like, was it mostly zone because it looked like it was zoned that they weren't playing well you know what I'm saying.

It's not like the Raiders were catching contested catches.

They were catching passes like wide open.

Running through and so like it was.

It seemed to me.

A lot of you know, there was some bad tackling, but there were just a lot of mental erarors on defense, I thought.

In the back end, I think so too.

That's why I just think there's a lot to unpack there.

What did they do going into the second half?

How did they get Drake off?

And you know, was there were there things there then that Drake just wasn't seeing or were they taking everything away too?

Uh?

What else?

Anybody else got any other downs?

Corny?

Do you spend I got through on my bad list?

Yeah?

I have a few things.

Two things that bugged me, as you guys know, the coaching stuff.

They went for a fourth and one from around midfield in the second quarter, which I wholeheartedly agreed with the decision we're going to take a shot, which I don't mind, but you got to have something else they got away with it.

So they got mac Collins.

They're trying to leak out.

He's really tightly covered and Drake may really didn't look I mean, I'd like to see it again.

Maybe he had something underneath that he passed up, but it looked like it was a one man route to mac Collins.

So I didn't like to play call itself.

They got bailed out with a very TICKI tac passing affairs that even Fred thought was a bad call, which was stunning in himself.

But more so than that, that's just one play, so no big and I'd have no problem with being aggressive on fourth and one.

There what I really didn't like after I spent the better part of two weeks saying how much more button down this operation would be.

And you're not going to give away possessions, You're not going to botch the clock.

What did they do at the end of the first half.

They gave away a p posession and botch the clock.

It really bugged me.

Patriots got the ball late in the second quarter with a ten to seven lead, right, and I'm trying to look it up just to see exactly when they took over.

Okay, so there's one twenty five left Patriots first and ten of their own twenty six, and they that was the play that they tried to do.

The drive start with May with the design run four yards.

Then they kind of huddle, kind of not and didn't look like they were going to rush.

I'm like Okay.

You know they were looking to see if they could catch that for you know, quick fifteen, maybe get Drake out of bounds, and that's the drive starter, right, didn't happen.

Then they couldn't decide whether or not they wanted to try to go for points.

They slowed it down, but not really.

They got out of the huddle quicker, and then you know, two plays later, it's it's third and now it's third and one, and you got a waste to play running the ball on third and one.

You got to make sure you get the first down.

Oh, until you don't and Stevenson gets stopped for nothing.

What happens?

You give away a possession.

You compound that by Bryce Barrenger, who had a tough day overall, with a thirty nine yard punt.

The Raiders take over at they're own twenty six with thirty nine seconds left, then moved it into field goal range.

Now, fortunately for the Patriots, Daniel Carson missed the field goal.

But you gave away a possession that didn't have to happen.

All they had to do was stay in the huddle after the four yard run by May, and you're going to get out of the half right with the possession, they almost may put it so it's ten to ten, which is exactly what happened the last time they saw Geno Smith in this stadium, in that Seattle game last year.

They just gave away a possession.

So those kinds of things are disappointing.

I didn't expect to see that kind of stuff happen.

They didn't look like they knew what they wanted to do there.

Yeah, yeah, situational football.

It was that your only one Paul there to empty the end of your.

Yeah, I had barringer.

I kind of got it all out in that one thing.

But you know, oh and I move.

Was there five minutes left in the game, down twenty to ten, fourth and ten from midfield?

Oh are we punting there?

No?

Who's in favorite punting there?

You heard them?

Were you all the on your way down?

I was here when here the booze?

The fans were not happy.

And they deserve to get booed.

I got a text from one Johnny Positive Brian Moury said, what are we doing punting down two scores here?

I totally agree with him.

Yeah, the booze were raining down.

Oh my goodness, let's close out the good, bad and the injured Kishan BOUDI went into the tent after taking a hard tackle.

It looked like he came back.

Though, Oh he came back.

Oh yeah after that.

Sorry, I knew that.

I remember one.

Here's here's the thing about that hit that helped him when he got hit, he was airborne.

Yeah, so that hit that hurt.

Him, it was hitting.

I was worried about his shoulder.

Yeah, yeah, I thought he got his shoulder tripping into the ground.

But the hit itself was a hard hit.

But he was airborne, so he gave you know, there was a lot of gift there.

It's when he hit the ground and he got shaken up.

Yeah, all right.

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Hey, Chris, thanks for calling in.

Lady and gentlemen, how are we doing today?

Better?

All right?

So I've called him before throughout the seasons.

I'm gonna try to call in weekly this season.

Keep up with you guys.

Make some out of it, just some takeaways.

I think the line was below average, rookies were getting beat pre Smatt penalties.

Thought May was inaccurate.

I don't know if the cover the Raiders coverage was greater.

The receivers couldn't get opened.

But when Drake, you know, would scramble out of the pocket, couldn't seem to find anything.

I thought the secondary was exploited.

Gonzo's absence was really felt.

Couldn't establish the run.

Coaching staff didn't really have a game plan put together.

I did think the defensive front played well, got pressure, sacks, Boody looked good.

I just don't think that we can continue to you know, thirteen points isn't gonna win games for this football team.

The defense isn't good enough.

And if you're gonna go ahead and cut Peppers and bench Duggar, but put out those two guys and that's what you got.

It's what you go with.

And they can't look like that.

And uh, just you know, asking your guys cakes.

Yeah, I mean thanks, Chris.

Chris's second guest there is that's that's a worthwhile second guest.

You decided to move on from your veteran safeties, and you had a hard time covering on the back.

End, and especially again, it was a lot of it was mental.

It was mental.

I thought Jalen Hawkins just got beat time and time again.

Because well the one time he was flat footed and then the guy just ran by him, like I don't know if he thought, like what covered he was in.

Zero.

I think they were in like a zero coverage, you know, blitz, and he didn't really feel like they have that much time.

But you can't do that.

It's a mental error.

Yeah, not good.

I suppose I think you just can't cover, but that's me.

Well, no one can cover if you just stand there.

He can't.

I didn't think Woodson was out of position all day.

I didn't notice.

I mean I didn't notice that.

I shouldn't say he wasn't.

I didn't really know us him being out of position all day.

I thought Hawkins often was chasing that he was supposed.

To the only time I saw Wilson was making a tackle for making tackles.

Yeah, yeah, not bad.

All right, here he is, folks.

Christian from LA calling in with his post game take.

Hey Christian, what'd you think?

Oh?

Too bad?

Next caller three?

And okay, Christian callback, Let's go over to Paul in Houston.

Hey, Paul, Hey, you guys, how are doing today?

Good?

Right?

All right?

So turn up, man, I get.

To start with, can you guys give me, okay, yeah, all right, sot with my gripe.

I believe that.

You know, it was a huge of suspect.

I mean we expected black Buers to do what he did and still say we didn't have any any answers for him.

Max Brosby, although he didn't step his bat sheet, I mean it still was chased in May all day long.

He had his tremendous hand back on the passing game.

I agree Matt Crosby was a big part of that game.

Oh yeah, even though he might not show it statistically, but he was very active in that game.

And he only had two tackles.

He only had two tackles one sack, but he was all over.

He was all over, and let's put it, also had a Strip sack at the end of the game.

They said Strip was very aware of him, right right, right.

But now my biggest my biggest thing is this.

We threw the ball forty six times and rushed it eighteen those eighteen, four of which were scrim was by May.

I'm wondering now, is that the approach.

Does Josh think he has Tom Brady back there?

We've got, I believe, three capable running backs.

And although the Raiders were stacking the box.

They had you know, seven eight men in the box with most of the game, I believe that we could have played a more balanced game throwing the ball forty six times to fourteen rushes.

Yeah, I just think, well, it's funny that you say that, because you know, the score wasn't out of hand where you had to throw it now.

But I thought I thought early on they realized we're not going to be able to run it.

I thought Campbell, I thought they were pretty balanced until I'll bet you they threw the ball in the last twenty plays.

Of the game.

Yeah, well, no, like that kind of excus the numbers.

It does, but even I don't think that they thought that they were going to get to the promised Land running the ball today.

I thought Campbell had a he had a just you know, a tough start to his first game, and he was he was slow out of his stance, and I don't know if that's because of the anchor.

No.

I was watching, especially on.

Plays where they wanted him to pull, he was pretty slow out of his stance.

And I think they realized early on, we're not going to do much here.

Because you notice, like even when they did run.

There was only like one or two runs out wide.

Henderson had one that he did pretty well.

He had seven yards.

But yeah, at least I didn't think that they were going to be effective running the ball from what I saw early.

Yeah, I mean, Henderson had a fourteen yearn game.

Otherwise it was six four four three.

I mean, just you know, two point one halmiss not putting the running game on the bad list.

Yeah, seven carries for fifteen yards for Remandre.

Just nothing doing there.

That was surprising to me, though.

I just we talked about it.

We've seen, you don't know exactly how it's all gonna look.

I thought they'd at least get a little bit of some kind of room in the run game, but didn't really seem like they were.

Able to open up much.

Here you go.

Now again, I'm not the ball no or so Evan will probably correct me.

But if you're stacking the box, it's gonna be hard to run.

And if you're not afraid of the offense, you can stack the box.

So they ran, they passed the ball on the last sixteen plays of the game.

Yeah, oh yeah, so that's but that's how you get to forty six to eighteen.

Sure, it's not the game it was reasonably it.

Was probably fifty five forty five or so before that.

But you're down two scores in the fourth quarter, you're throwing it on every down.

Yeah, looks like Christian is back.

Hey Christian, thanks for calling back.

What'd you think?

Yeah?

Hey, you know, you guys know what I you know you've heard it?

No, I don't.

How do we know what?

You think?

I haven't thought about it yet.

What do you think?

Unlike everybody else, right, it's just not good enough and it's more of the same blah blah blah.

But here, here's something that I kind of found unique about this loss is we didn't look like we were mismanaged or didn't know where it was were supposed to be like we did last year.

So the team looked more cohesive.

I didn't know at all.

Okay, a lot of people said that in the first half, because you know, after the in the first half, you walk downstairs and people passed, and a lot of people said, looks like, you know, they've got things put together in the first half, but not in the second half.

They played well at times, Like I said, they caught fire halfway through the first quarter.

It played really well in the second quarter, yeah, you know, kind of like if you remember a season opener in the past against the Eagles when they fell behind sixteen nothing and all of a sudden it was touchdown, touchdown, sixteen fourteen.

Wow, look at this, We're good now.

And then the second half came like there have been periods of time over the years.

I mean, they won their opener last year.

Did anybody say that they looked like they didn't know what they were doing in the opener last year?

Right?

No, I thought they looked like a regular team.

Today.

They just they're not good enough yet.

They're not good enough yet to play sixty good minutes of football.

They played I don't know, maybe twenty good minutes of football today.

Yeah, and they did.

They looked really good in that stretch from halfway through the first quarter that I thought they dit.

I actually looked at Fred Mike and I said, if we were still good like we used to be in the old days, I'd be calling this game.

They were up ten to seven, they had two three and outs in a row, and they're getting the ball back in the ele Here we go, They're going to score at the end of the half, they're going to double up in the set and then they don't.

Then they go three and out because they're still not quite good enough yet.

Let's keep the calls coming Jersey Shore.

Mic aym Ike, Hey, guys, how you doing.

That's it good?

So you know, you come out and you play a good you know, the first half, you know, and you come out and stay second half and all Vrabel was saying that he was prepared for the second half.

That's what he wanted this team, you know, to be prepared for.

And it was a total breakdown.

And just coming off of that, I'm not sure if these guys got it to what he wants them to do.

And I understand this is the first game, but I was expecting a lot more out of this team.

I wasn't it really expecting maybe not a win, but I was expecting a lot more from this team and coaching.

I don't know, Uh, the next next week is going to be very surprising.

Miami didn't look good at all today.

So keep going.

I know where you're going.

Mike already said this, Yeah, you're going to get a desperate Dolphins team at home next week.

Well, I think we should be desperate too so and what happens when you, Mike, you bring up something that's really interesting about what Rabel has said about the importance of second half football.

We're gonna hear it a little later in Rabel's press conference with the first questions from Karen, and she brought that up and he cut her off to agree with her, like he knew where she was going and she didn't even have to finish her question.

He finished it for her and like answered it like how disappointed he was about the second half.

Yeah, yeah, thanks Mike.

Oh shoot, cut him off there.

That's all right, that's all right.

I get the gist of it.

Keep it going.

Jason in Chieva, Hello, Jason.

You know what's up?

Hey, Look, it's it's probably not on the coaching staff, the running disparity there.

Yeah, but Evan was selling trying to tell us on the uh the power of the offensive line running the ball, and I was pretty convinced that we couldn't do it, you know, running up into the seven second half there, and it's it's disappointing to see that, right, just coming off of a training camp where where we thought that the running game was going to be the stronger suit of the offensive line.

Yeah, yeah, no, that's a good point.

People said that they're going to have some problems in pass protection with the young guys, but they've shown the ability to run the ball in right not today, that's a good point.

I just feel like the run defense and the run offense, I don't know.

I don't know.

Camp I just never really have.

I hate, I hate to beat a dead horse.

But in the NFL, if you if you stack the box, pretty much any team can really, you know, have success stopping the run if they really want to, if they if they sell out for the run.

I agree, And you know, I think the Raiders weren't afraid of the passing game for the Patriots.

The Patriots and I said this in the block, the Patriots are going to have to prove to defenses that they can beat them in the air.

Yeah.

Teams aren't going to just give them that.

They're not going to give them that respect yet they haven't earned it.

Yeah, no, no, they shouldn't.

Especially I mean, you know, Drake's just been inconsistent at best, and so put the pressure on him.

I would spect more more from Miami of what we saw from Patrick Graham in the second half here, especially if it's a lot.

Of blitzing along those lines too.

With Freddie's whole you know, easy to defend.

Mantra Booty I thought was really good and on the sideline running his guy off turn into the sideline, easy pitches and catches.

I don't think they tried one sort of double move or just have him on a flat go route and see if you can do what he did last year for that well, we'll never know.

They never tried.

It's almost like and I you know, I hate to say it, but it's almost like the next game they should say, you know what, we're going to come out passing, and we're not going to stop passing.

We're just going to pass because we need to establish the pass.

You know how everyone says establish the run.

We need to establish the pass.

Preach it, Freddy, you know my theory.

Yeah, that's how you have to That's how you have to score points.

You throw the score in, Mike, run to win.

You run to win.

When you get the lead and you get everybody on the heels, that's when you want to know out with the ground.

Getting so mcdan's go to his offense.

Get ready, you're going to be pass blocking today.

Don't let them touch him.

Four sacks today, I know, yeah, could have been more.

Hey, how we doing, guys?

Just when they hit on hit on two points one.

The coaching staff, I think they were outclassed, especially the second half.

Just seeing the aggression from Chip Kelly would just you know, I just felt like they just they put us in a blender, going those heavy stets and just rolling those play action passes and they're just continuously starting the chunk is down.

Tuell Williams and Rabel had no had no impacts for that.

And then even Josh McDaniels all, you know, even was tired of you know, him on him coming back.

But you know, where's the screen game?

At at least the second halves kind of get some cheap throws there for there.

They tried a good number of screens and they were all snuffed out, sniffed out whatever sniffed out.

Yeah, there wasn't a lot of good blocking they did.

They had a couple of pump fakes to Henderson, and I think they were trying to set something up.

Thanks Eric, You know, my number one thought was with the whole Henderson thing, and not that I'm very high on Trevon Henderson.

You guys know, I think he's the best weapon they have on offense.

A little bit different when you're playing against NFL players, You know, I have quite as much space as you did in the In the preseason, it seemed to me.

Like they kind of had a beat that they're going to try to get this kid going, especially with the screen game.

I would like to see maybe a little bit more attempt to get him in space, but he just don't ever get him down.

He never had a chance to really make a play in space.

I think in one particular play where it was like another screen and they're just closing in on him, he hesitates.

There's nowhere to go, though, so they're gonna have to get a little bit more creative.

I guess all the preseason hype on Trevon Henderson gave the Raiders a little bit of a head up on that one.

Go back out to California and Cody, Hey, Cody, he just trails off.

I just want to make sure I'm not the preseason hype.

I mean, I felt like I watched the game, I heard a little bit what you guys had to say.

I thought we ran fritly well in the beginning and to the Henderson point, I thought he was the most successful run game.

So I was really wondering why they went away from him.

They running the ball with him.

They really didn't run the ball effectively in this game.

I mean they, like Mike said, I think there was one play that he had what do you say, fourteen yards?

Yeah, and then every other run they had was marginal success six four four three.

I mean, yeah, it's just I mean it's six eighteen carries for sixty yards, I mean three point three, but I do.

Think it's a fourteen yard run.

Yeah, just kind of excus it a little bit.

I do think Henderson looks better than Oh.

Because Henderson's running out of spreads and non running situations.

All right, you know they did not block it up very well.

Let's put it that way.

All right.

Let's go here, oh boy Rice Young, oh Bress Young in a tough pick six there at one o'clock game is still going Freddy the Jacksonville, Carolina game, Yeah, you could have been a pretty good.

Lightning.

Let's go back out to junior.

Your MVP Bradnett is looking good.

I think, yeah, I almost I almost had the twenty four to twenty score, right, I was in play for a long time in this game.

Hey Brandon, what's going on the team?

He wants to go.

And so.

One of my big things I want to take away with Stevenson is that I just don't feel that when he's running that ball, like he could have got that second and I think it was second and six where he just like went out of bounce.

I get like we're looking at the.

Time, but like lower your showed, right.

I just don't feel that he has that hit factor anymore.

Yeah, but wasn't it against the clock?

Didn't you have to get out of bounds at that point?

Yeah, it was late in the half.

What happened he didn't get out of bound and he got.

Oh he got out, get out, he got out of bounce.

I remember the play and that was the butchered offensive series.

If he had lowered his shoulder and turned his side, he definitely would have got it, but the clock would have start kept running, so it was tough.

Yeah.

I mean, I guess those are judgment I just I don't know.

Overall, I just don't feel that he's like that same guy from like twenty twenty two twenty three.

Yeah, he's picking up those extra yards where he's like fighting for it.

It just seems like you get.

Fit, you get stuffed, and it's just all right, that's it.

Yeah, I mean psychologically, all the fumbles may have gotten to them.

Thanks Brandon, appreciate the call.

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Welcome back to the postgame Show presented by DraftKings, and we're excited now to welcome Matt Smith No suck to the program.

Back, what's up in a sling?

Most shocks in a sling?

What happened or wasn't It wasn't at the press conference.

John, No, they think by spree training maybe yeah, okay, all right, yeah, all right.

So Matt, you uh, you took in the press conferences and you're here to shed some light on what was said.

Yeah, And then I think what we're trying to do here, Mike, is to bring you the fans the best of the press conferences.

No, not exactly a fired up room there in the media room with the players and the coaches, but I think we boiled down what we believe to be the best of Mike Rabel, which hitting on the thing that you guys have been talking about throughout the postgame show.

It's and he's asked directly about the disappointment Matt about starting off the second half.

Is really so much flat.

I think that's where we kick it off, Matt.

You know, it's frustrating.

You know, we have to.

You know, understand how sometimes these games are going to go, and you know, we we just didn't do enough in the second half.

You know, give them credit, and we certainly didn't do enough with too many missed our opportunities, too many penalties, you know, things you know, the turnover and things that just you know, again just didn't take advantage of bad football, and then we're able to you know, have bad football ourselves.

I made a decision, you know, on fourth and ten, with you know, close to five minutes to punt and would like a better punt, and we had had him stopped and that was the plan, and that that didn't work, and then they hit one, and you know, we just didn't have enough time there at the end to uh to do anything.

That was the decision you know, that I thought was best for us at the time.

You know, but again, it's a start, not the one that we wanted, and we got a long way to go, and we're going to be resolved to get it fixed and the people that are here are going to be committed to get it fixed together.

We can't sit there and uh and and hold on to it too long.

We got to go on the road, and we got to play a division opponent and we got to embrace moving on and I think that's that's what we're going to try to do.

So thank you.

So there's a head coach.

Uh.

I thought it was interesting there was an a medium member that asked him about the decision question punt at that particular point in time.

Mike brought that up himself pretty interesting.

Well he got booed roundly, so I think that stung a little.

Yeah.

I think that's interesting though they just brought it up.

Someone asked him farness in the reflection though, I think that's important from a coach to be accountable to himself and to his team.

So it is surprising, but I think refreshing.

Was that all part of like the open No so sorry that was edited.

That was an edited together one minute, eighteen seconds of an eight minute and fifty second.

I could see together, but it was different questions periodicy throughout.

Okay, Yeah, I think it's very weird that he brought that decision to punt up without being asked.

What was the question that led to that.

I don't remember, but I think he was more just opening about the second half.

It's interesting he brought up I mean, he said when he first hired one of the team that can take advantage of bad football, and you know, bad start, but then you get the interception, you go down to score a touchdown.

There was a brief glimmer there for me of taking advantage of bad football.

And then, as Mike said, that was kind of it.

For the rest of the game, they weren't able to do it, and they were the ones then contribute.

They played the bad football in the second half.

Sure right, you know, you know missing Hunter Henry in the first play of the second drive.

I think that it goes high and off his hands and that sort of put you behind the stakes.

You ended up going three and out.

That really allowed the Raiders to get their footing, and that was right after the Raiders had scored to go ahead fourteen to ten.

Now the Raiders get the ball right back and they go right down the field, make it seventeen to ten.

Second half really wasn't overly competitive.

Now do you think the interception played an outsized part of that?

I mean, do you think that they came in with a good plan and then that mistake was what I do think just.

Started it all apart because they got it right back after the interception.

Now, Raiders went right down scored make it fourteen to ten.

Correct, that was the first.

First Sorry I'm thinking about when they missed the field goal.

They got it right back.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, right, And you know that was on from Las Vegas twenty nine.

I mean a lot of these you know, drives that they had were sixty six yards, fifty five yards, seventy one yards, fifty two yards, sixty six yards.

I mean they were.

Driving the ball and chunk plays from start to finish, start to finish.

Eleven plays of night ten yards are more, I think, Right, that's a lot that a lot of twenty yards people.

That's why I think is mental it's mental errors.

I do think not having Gonzales is enormous.

Yeah, I'm going to try My point there on the zone is if you have Gonzales?

Are you playing more man to man?

They played a lot of mental errors don't come into play as much.

Yeah, you're either covering.

I thought they played a lot of man.

Now to you appoint Fred, Yeah that's great.

You want to play a lot of man.

But when your best man cover guy is not in the game, that makes it a little bit more difficult.

And Gonzales is that much better than everybody else?

Oh?

Yeah?

For the Patriots, does this put pressure on Gonzalez to get back sooner?

Or maybe he says, okay, then you see what it looks like without me.

Too early?

Keep my money.

So Matt one more, you got another trip?

Yeah?

Yeah, take us memory line with.

The quarterback who I think was trying to take some accountability today, which I think was a good move, and one of the captains, and I think there was a common theme amongst everybody that was talking that it's one game, we got to stick together, and.

How would you characterize your overall comfort level?

And in Josh's offense in a real game for the first time.

Yeah, I thought, I mean, I feel pretty good that I thought I was seeing it.

Well, you'll make some better throws, but kind of the first time, you know, kind of adjusting from a halftime and and coming in from there.

You just gotta just gotta be better on my part, I think, you know, down in the red zone and little things with details, and you know, seven versus three is huge in this league.

And just make every possession count.

And I know there's times that you know, we we have looks that that we like and I can think of, you know, letting a couple of rip that I should have, you know right now.

So just taking advantage of every possession and uh, just trying to you know, build those guys and I say, get the first first down.

It's a brand new team, brand new year.

This is one game we got a big week ahead of us to bounce back from Miami.

He was a little quiet explaining, Yeah, I totally agree.

He didn't notice them really at all.

I mean other than chasing.

Yeah, Now that's not his fault.

He's not he shouldn't be he shouldn't be involved in covering rock powers chasing.

Yeah, but I didn't really notice him around the ball making plays.

Yeah, it's Ellis made a couple of plays though, coming in some tackles, but overall, it's just getting a sense of this new defense and how it's supposed to look, because we've been watching it this summer and they've been telling us they want to be very violent and be very aggressive, and at times they were, but not consistent enough and just not married the front They always talk about the front end and the coverage being married together, and that's what just seemed out of sorts to me.

And you said sometimes it felt like, you know, they're rushing, they're just not getting there in time.

But Gino looked comfortable in the pocket.

Even for the amount that they were getting there, it never really seemed to take him out of a flow, whereas on our side of the ball, it seemed like Drake May after that interception, I mean he said he was seeing it.

Maybe he was seeing it early.

It didn't feel like he was seeing it late when they you know, had three straight three and outs.

Yeah, he looked a little jittery, and to that.

Point about Splaine three tackles in the game, so he really wasn't overly active.

And I do agree about the pressure.

I thought the Patriots did a good job.

I mean, they had four sacks, that's I mean, especially considering the where they're coming from.

They were last in the league in sacks slash year, so he'll take four sacks.

But I kind of agree with Mike.

When they weren't getting a sack, it didn't seem like they were affecting Geno Smith very much, whereas the Raiders had four sacks.

But I felt like they affected Drake May throughout the game, even when the Patriots were playing well.

I wist the bar was coming out quickly.

You have the pressures I do not number.

I have to you have to get the ball, no wish for that.

To me, that's more telling.

You know how many pressures they claimed?

Do you feel that way?

Like the Raiders were forcing the ball out quickly even when they weren't getting there, whereas Geno Smith looked like he had a fair amount of time to throw.

Oh, but he got sacked the same amount of time.

That's why I wanted to see the precious because I'll bet you that the Raiders won that that battle.

I think Mike made a good point about the marriage between the rush and the coverage, and the game was pretty much in hand anyway.

But on the third and twenty uh with they all out blitzed and Davis has left covering in bit on the uh double on the double move, like, that's just that I don't think those are the things that they're being coached, you know, And that's a.

Tough one to give up on third and twenty, to give up.

Somebody says, I don't know if I agree with all out blitz.

Like, listen, I don't care what the call is.

You still can't let your guy run by it cross Freddy to you know, you know, if he if that, if that's incomplete, then it's a good call.

But if you if you're looking at this, so Rabel gave you the explanation as to why you decided to go for to punt on that fourth bound, he's looking well, once you punt, you're now forced to like even the punt, it was not a great outcome even if you forced an inco like you kind of got to make a play now.

And I agree with going after him.

They're looking to force a turnover or you know, a bad play right and take a chance.

Yeah, you got to try to force the issue there.

You have your best cover corner, you know, on a rookie, you shouldn't be getting beat on a double move on that.

So some of that's got to be the responsibility of the players.

And you're lucky this throw was under thrown a little bit that would have been a touchdown.

Oh, Dave was frustrated on that one.

Well, I gotta read an email from Jake Melbourne, Australia spending this late.

I guess probably early morning there for him now if it's not midday.

But I thought the aggressiveness on the defensive play calling was a lot for the game.

Was a strange decision with Gonzales out.

Don't think that was the way to go with the run defense holding up.

It's a fair second guess again.

Yeah, I mean Evan was kind of on that too, And you know, I think it was the big touchdown pass where they called the zero blitz same.

You know, we've been talking about it plenty and he agrees with you regarding Hawkins penalty, but he thought Hawkins had his head down going in for a tackle before Myers was head down to create the contact.

That's not what he got called for a penalty for.

He got called for a penalty for jumping and headbutting him at the end, not his initial test.

He'd get called on the initial hit.

It was after that it was after the guy was already on the basically on the ground.

He jumped up and tried the headbutts.

I actually thought Christian Ellis could have got called for a penalty on that play too, for diving on the pile.

There was a lot of There was a lot of chippiness on that play.

Now, it was kind of it's the Raiders, you know, like Fred's mayor point, he goes, Raider's going to Raider.

Like that was a really cheap hit, that number fifty eight there, Paul Solos Johnson, I think his name is.

He got called for it, Jones.

That was a really cheap hit on the sideline.

You know, just nine penalty, two bad teams, nine penalties each, turnovers, miss field goal for both teams.

That's you know.

You look and you say, well, how those two teams left.

See he didn't get called for that.

He gets called for what happened after this.

He kind of jumps into the pile and he he just jumps up and I don't even know if he connected, but he tried to toward the end.

Again, no no real reason for it.

If you see how he comes in, well I'm not going to see you know, we don't have.

The whole thing.

It's after this area back and to the left.

Okay, so oh all right, we had it.

You were there?

Yeah, I mean, unless I'm maybe I didn't see the replay properly, but I think you right there.

He just sort of jumps.

He can't tell, but I don't think that the hit, the initial hit, was what he got called for.

But I could be wrong.

Only the refs know what they called.

Either way, it was unnecessary, Kobe.

You see that.

You see how he jumps in and he throws his head in.

That's what I think he got called for because that flag and this is something you might not know if you're just watching TV, but we could see the flag.

It was came.

It came from right underneath us in the press box, way after the guys on the ground.

The flag came flying into the pile, which leads me to believe it wasn't the initial hit.

Again, no reason for it, and that's kind of that's in character.

He has a lot of those kinds of hits, Hawkins.

It's like your guy.

A couple of a couple of emails in here which people expressing concern about Drake Man, you know, feeling a little bit gunshy this one though.

From Robin San Diego via Connecticut.

I'm sure there are many emails coming in expressing frustration over the loss.

I'm feeling something different, but potentially worse.

It's something Fred has talked about in the past, that is indifference.

The game was another conservative, boring, mistake filled effort that simply wasn't entertaining.

You can say it was only the first game, but it could have been the eighteenth from last season.

Despite the huff and puff, it just looks the same.

That might be a worse fate than simply losing.

Do you guys agree with that?

Well, it's a lot of He's right, it could be, but again, I refuse to make a conclusion.

About this team based on one game.

You know, I'm not going to do that.

Well, I's I think I think you're smart to do that, and there will be a lot of overreaction in which what is it twenty is it twenty eight players?

Twenty eight new players something like that?

Over fifty percent?

Yeah, it's over fifty percent of the rush, So it's not the same team.

It's almost an entirely new coaching staff, right, and more than half new personnel.

So I think you're right to say, like, can we see this team play a little bit before we decide it's the same old Patriots.

The second half, certain I understand the mentality.

The second half looked very similar to what we see in the last three or four years.

Some back to the phones here, we got Rhino down in Durham, North Carolina.

Hello Rhino, Hey.

Fellows, thanks for taking my call, No problem.

I wanted to talk about Will Campbell and some concerns that a lot of Pats fans had, And obviously he had the penalties there, but it seems like he's so concerned on past debts with getting death that it's creating some issues on the left side of the line.

Good defensive coordinators are going to notice some of these problems.

I thought it came up in the run game a little bit, which is why I think some people figured he'd be better at guard than tackle.

Obviously it's a bit of an overreaction, but your thoughts.

I noticed that early in camp that he was his drop back.

His set was so far back that sometimes he was too close to Dre from the get go.

I didn't notice that today that much.

Tyree Wilson Sack was one of those.

Yeah, the guy came upfield and then he just planted and came right inside him.

Yeah.

Now I don't know if that's because he Campbell did a good job and steimied him on his initial rush so we decided to do something different, or if he noticed what Yeah, you know the caller's talking about.

I don't think he had a terrible day.

I don't think he was terrible, but he wasn't great either.

He wasn't great and not as good in the run game as we thought he was.

But again, he's got that ankle.

And I saw him when he got out of his stance in some pool.

Plays that he was just slow.

Yeah, he was slowdn't didn't have that speed that we.

Still noticed spread and we didn't have a show on Friday, you know, Mike and I did a little mission, you know, locker room.

He had something on the left ankle, and I wouldn't call it necessarily a limp, but he was favoring it.

You could see that there was some difference.

Sometimes when you have an ankle, Like if you're just walking straight ahead, it seems okay, but it's when you go left, right and you put that stress on it.

When you're trying to.

Play an NFL game, it can be a little bit.

Let's uh, let's go down to Baltimore and be hey, be what's up?

Hello?

Hey, how you guys doing all right?

Good?

But so for the question I had with them, and it's off seas the Brandon Josh mcdange, the office is still radio.

It's not creative enough for the day's NFL.

It's like it's the same thing, like nobody's worried about.

It's not giving the deep, it's nothing to think about.

Yeah, it's not creative enough.

That's why they should have brought somebody in with something different.

Yeah, well thanks.

It's sometimes it's hard to create if you don't have the tools, and I'm saying that they don't.

But it doesn't seem right now that they've got that one guy that is a difference maker that the other defense has to really focus on, and it opens up things for other people.

I'm hoping eventually that's Diggs, but it wasn't today.

Sure, well, you got surprised about the usage of Diggs.

I'm not sure what the final snap count was, but it seemed like they eased him in a little bit, and they were rotating a lot of guys.

I mean everybody.

Williams got some snaps.

But given that Deefon Diggs basically look healthy this summer and was maybe a little bit limited, But were you surprised that he wasn't out there more he was?

I was just surprised that he wasn't on There was some third downs early in the game that he wasn't But overall, I mean seven targets, six catches, like like Fred said, no real plays.

He had one late in garbage time for sixteen yards, but you know, they try to try to get a screen to him that Chris just showed on the highlight package.

This was sort of a broken play where Drake just made something out of nothing, and that was the first and fifteen play.

They ended up being a ten yard game.

That's you know, those are the kinds of plays.

That was probably his best player of the game.

Third and five, they really they really heated him up.

This play is just, you know, kind of garbage time.

I didn't really but the one on the third and five quick slant, I think it was his hot receiver.

Yeah, they were, and they got immediate pressure on him right there.

That's what you got digs for.

He uncovered immediately quick and that's a that's a huge first down on third and five.

Was the last player of the third quarter.

Unfortunately, they weren't able to do anything with that drive.

And a good a good play by Drake too.

You always stand.

Do that nonsense like oh that was that looked like a Patriots play.

Yeah, right, that was a Patriots player right there.

I saw Tom Brady do that a million times, like I know you come in, I'm going to get it out before you can get there.

And I know my guy's going to beat his guy before you can get there, right, and we're going to move the chains.

And that's that's what that's what you want to see.

Just unfortunately didn't get enough of that.

I mean, the gentleman in Baltimore or I wonder if he was thinking the same thing in the first half, because I did think in the second quarter there was the ball was.

One two out, one two out.

They were they were in a little bit of a rhythm offensively, but Drake was getting the ball out pretty quickly.

You didn't see that.

At all in the second half.

And that's Fred's point, like all of a sudden you try to do the same stuff.

They kind of take some of those things away.

You can't do the one two out thing.

And I thought that pick punch.

To me, it felt like at halftime Carol said to his team, we're giving them too much respect.

Just go get them, you know enough, We're gonna play eight in the box.

We're gonna crash down.

We're not gonna worry about them going over the top because we're gonna get there.

Yeah, Loo from Philly rights in and he wanted said, can we please come on on?

All the whole stadium was Raider fans.

Is that true?

See, that's stuff.

It's hard to sort of notice from the press point.

After the five thousand Patriots fans, five thousand fans, and it seems like there's.

A lot you know.

Yeah, there were some in the press box too, heard them cheering the whole that was media.

I was on edge.

They were sitting right in front.

Really you didn't hear the.

You know it right from the get gos first part of the game was like good, it nice.

Just like then there's like a Stevenson run up the middle nothing and I'm like.

The media people, Yeah, the Raiders staff put them to the.

P P of the w p A, they might not be in it.

I just don't have time for that nonsense.

Brian Morey would have said, he would have chasted.

He would finger wag.

Oh yeah, Brad's in Ohio.

Hey Brad, thanks for calling in.

What do you got?

Oh?

How are you doing all right?

Good?

I just got a couple of questions for you.

First about Kyle Williams and Diggs.

And I just wondered how they they did in the game, and then.

Looked like we had open receivers with McDaniel's play calling.

That message well with Drake's.

Abilities kind of correlates with what the caller said, did we And then how.

Did the rookies do individually?

And I take Fred's point very smoothly.

He's right, everything fixable.

From what I gather from what you're all playing.

There you go, what do you think about that?

Thanks?

Think about those nine questions?

So there's a lot of questions there, A lot of questions there.

How did you want to The first one was how did Williams and Diggs do?

I don't think Williams had Booty not gotten hurt?

Right?

He played a handful of snaps.

He caught a pass late in the garbage time drive at the end, I thought Diggs was quiet, but you know, I think you got his feet wet.

Yep.

No big plays, and that's what I was looking for, is I mean you mentioned that we talked about the slam, but those are the plays that Stefan Diggs would repeatedly tear my heart with the loves.

We loved that slant that that's a play I saw a million times with with Buffalo over the year.

He kind of like, we're hoping that the way Myers came out, Digs would come out.

Yeah, like Myers was hurting us.

Like Myers again, that's what you want for Diggs, you know, you want the other team to be like Digs again.

Yeah what a Kobe just keeps doing He gets open, he catches the ball, you know, holds on to it.

Yeah.

I mean it's not dynamic, it's not like you know, but man, right though, like the team that had the team that just basically had Brock Bauers in Jacoby Myers, and it's like, you know, Trayling Tucker two for fifty four in a touchdown thwart and two for forty five.

Big play at the end, of the game to sort of ended Meyer Or Mayor is Michael Mayor, Mayor Mayor four for thirty years, So kid from Notre Dame.

They were much more than just hours and uh right, that's a decent by the way, Yeah, that's a decent time.

And we were talking in pregame behind enemy lines with Vinnie bon Signori and he was mentioning how they really haven't used him, Like he thinks they have this really potentually dynamic duo at tight end, and he thinks they're going to use more of Mayor this year than they have.

He thinks that that's a weapon for them.

And it was today and we talked about it during the week.

You know, coaching matchup.

Don't underestimate the effect of Pete Carroll.

He's a damn good NFL coach.

He's proven and Chip Kelly.

Chip Kelly had some success and everybody's like, oh, it's a gimmick offense.

Well that was like ten years ago when he was in the league, you.

Know, right, still remember him from Oregon.

Maybe he'll adapted a little.

He can't do it Oregon, you know, they can't do that in the NFL.

He knows that individually I think Brad wanted to know about the rookies.

I would say Craig Woodson I think looked like he played reasonably well.

I didn't notice him out of position.

He had a handful of tackles.

Beyond beyond that, I didn't really like Campbell.

The rookies.

Wilson not a struggle.

Bad game, but Campbell struggled.

Yeah, I don't think Henderson did my Henderson got a bunch of touches, but really didn't do much with him.

Not that it was his fault.

Yeah, but they had him racked up.

I think they had him scouted.

Yeah.

Yeah, and the kicker and the kicker mister a chip shot, so that's not good.

The long snap seemed okay, good as far as I could tell.

Get job, Julian Ashby, Uh, we're going to Greece, Alex, thanks for calling in, man.

What's going on.

Doing guys?

Can you hear me?

Okay?

Yeah, So I have a pretty brief question.

Actually, I wanted to ask about the fourth and ten punt because I couldn't believe it when Riebel punted it.

It just felt like we were giving the game away.

I honestly just I don't see why you would do it?

And I know if you talked about it in the press conference a bit, but I just want to ask you guys to play some devil's advocate, Like if you're the coach, why would you punt it in that situation?

Like what advantage is there to doing that?

Well, that's all I got.

I just wanted to you.

Guys to take I mean, if you're looking to pin them deep inside their ten with the punt and you're hoping to play field position, you get three you know, three out because you're probably going to get real conservative and run the ball three times.

So let's say you you punt in, they fair catch it at the seven, you stop gentt three times, you use your time out, you get the ball back right where you were on first down.

And yeah, that that's what I think you're looking for.

I wouldn't have done it.

I would have gone for it.

Fourth and ten is not, uh insurmountable, especially from midfield.

Yeah, you know, it's not insurmountable.

It's not like if you don't get the fourth dound, the game is over.

You're in the same spot you need you need to stop, except for field position is different.

Hey, FOREMA call here Sean and Virginia.

Hey, Sean, thanks for calling him what he got holdo.

That's how you guys doing, all right?

I the one thought I was saying, like, I think we need to come to grit that uh that Drake maybe make Drake maybe maybe the centerpiece of the destruction of this team.

Because when you're constantly missing Bunny like little chippy shots across the field or whatever, that those are more minsum killers.

So I mean that could be the difference between you actually putting the ball away perhaps probably getting three or Betty yet seven.

So then the business not actually changed if your office is actually sustaining drive because he's missing easy shot and I'm something to one.

If he's actually a cable of being a legit quarterback, we'll do a type of mishat.

That's all I wanted to say.

Thanks, Sean.

I mean, this is a didn't expect last I mean, and they lose.

The quarterback doesn't look great, quarterback gets the attention and going into the season, this is what you wanted to know.

Is this quarterback not.

A good start for the year for him?

And think about it this way.

Let's say.

Drake's a guy on another team and he wasn't a first round pick.

He was a late round pick who's playing because their starter is hurt.

What will we be thinking of that quarterback from this game?

Inconsistent and like just he's a backup quarterback who's never going to make it in the NFL.

Now we know better, we know better.

But that's the kind of game he had, Like he had their moments, but for the most part, he was overwhelmed, you know, like he.

Just well he was erratic.

He was erratic.

I mean, you might you might be right that he was overwhelming.

I just think he's he has Mike calls him the ma sprays, and I think he's right.

Yeah, I think there's times where he loses his accuracy.

Yeah, And that's my biggest concern about having Josh McDaniels as the offensive coordinator because it requires perfection and to my mind, there's one guy who's been able to do that.

Yeah.

Well, I don't know, like in this game, I don't know if it was that same offense, Like well, I just like when he throws it over Hunter Henry's head, like the Hunter Henry's open, But you can't not the offense what.

I'm saying, But it requires perfection.

So when he requires an accurate pass, right, that's not I'm not talking.

About every single one of them needs to be accurate.

Most quarterbacks aren't accurate with every one of these.

I don't understand what he's saying, Like if you're if you're in that rhythm offense, I get it, but like that's not what they were doing, you know, No.

But my point is, you can't the color nails it.

You can't miss those throws.

Well, no quarterback can miss those throws, right, not just Josh mcdann, but.

When you're five yards at a time, seven yards at a time, you can can't miss any of the throws or you're behind the sticks because that's the way the offense is.

And may missed some of those throws today, and he's right.

I'm not saying they were easy throws, but they weren't hard.

Yeah, the throws that he should make, and today he missed a handful of them.

Call him a half dozen.

Sure you know that they're behind or high whatever they were.

He missed.

Pop Douglas, you know coming across in the end zone first time, you know, the first time before the touchdown, which the touchdown and then he falls the touchdown up with incredible throat.

That was one of the exactly where it has to be.

Yeah, the best throws of his career.

I was texting with sim and I said, that's one of the best throws of Drake May's career.

No, he can't do it.

We know he can do it, right.

But the other one that drives me wacky is at home a delay game, you know, like I just those those have to drive a coaching staff crazy.

You can't do that, No, I mean, this is an email from Ivan in California.

Is just a lot of what we're getting.

Honestly, I don't think it's unrealistic to be concerned about Drake May.

He once again didn't play a clean game and consistently throws high or can't make simple throws.

He's got too much blood sell in him, all right, Paul, have sincere reservations on it.

L I'll tell you that.

But is this what you know?

Is this what we're are we jumping right into this right now with with Drake May?

And is you know it's the pressure going to start to mount on him a little bit if this is how it continues to go.

I think each component of that offense.

When they have their meetings this week, they have to be read the Riot Act.

You know, like the offensive line has to be read the Riot Act.

It's just not good enough.

And the wide receiver, everybody, everybody contributed to that second half.

Yeah, I mean, nothing was good.

Nothing was good in the second half.

Mike had it right away, you know, Mike was in full fledged pelp mode and like late in the third quarter was like pick punt, punt.

It was like I was just reading down what happened.

I was just reading the stats.

It wasn't good.

It was it was It was kind of jarring after what you thought was.

You know, they had put together a nice drive to get down and tie the game, and then they put another nice drive together and Borgalis misses a chip shot, and then they put another drive together and they get kind of bailed out with a penalty, you know, a questionable call, and then they still only get three even after that break, and you kind of like, yeah, we're kind of shooting ourselves in the foot here.

We should have more points on the board.

Yeah, and it's ten to seven instead of you know, at the very minimum, it should have been thirteen to seven, probably even more.

If you break down that offense, if one component of that offense had a stellar game, we would be and and the rest of the offense still played the way they played, we would be singing a different tune right now.

If Henderson busted a few big way.

Yeah, if the running backs or if the line played really well and Drake still missed a few passes, that would be a much different game.

If Drake was able to take the team on his shoulders and despite you know, the offensive line not playing that well, we'd be thinking singing a different tune.

There's no one right now that can really be a game changer yet for the Patriots.

So now they have to play solid team football and it was far from that today.

So until they have Drake May being that guy that can win a game on his own, or an offensive line that is just you know, elite, they're going to rely on everybody playing up to a certain level.

And that's tough when you're a young team like like they are right now.

Now.

Mike and Willman in North Carolina, he's he's got his crossairs on.

Will Campbell thought he looked awful on his debut.

I understand rookie growing pains, but for months that our old line was going to be significantly better than last year, and this seems like more of the same.

Campbell looks way over his head and nowhere near what a fourth overall tackle should look like.

Please tell me why I should be optimistic about him.

I mean, did you guys that's harsh?

I mean, did you guys think we saw we saw a non functional offensive line today.

I think it's a little a little reaction for game one, But do you.

Think that the pressure was what caused Drake May to oh unravel?

You know, I didn't think I saw last year.

I don't think they were non functional.

But no, it wasn't non functional.

But I do agree with that.

You know, I have been told how much better the offensive line is going to be, and first of all, that's an incredibly low bar.

Yeah, but if you want to say significantly improved, I haven't seen that in practice.

I haven't seen a significant Are they better than they were last year?

Yeah?

They are, and they're going to get better.

They have two rookies playing their first NFL game today on the left side.

They'll get better.

But it wasn't good today, not by any means.

They couldn't run it and they couldn't protect.

Was the inability to not run it?

Was that more surprising?

And was that the bigger detriment today?

Like I think we came in so concerned about Max Crosby and pass rush and getting Drake uncomfortable?

Ultimately, was it the fact that they couldn't move the ball at all on the ground and kind of had to resort to the pass all with you?

Is that?

I mean, that's kind of surprising that you didn't think coming in, oh, geez, we can't run block that's going to be the problem today.

But it kind of seems like.

They have to do something that gives that challenges that.

You think about the short yardage place sad like they had the late one in the first half on the third and one that had a missdirection, and you know earlier in that half they had a fourth and one and what do they do that?

You know, like they went a third and one, they got stuffed and on fourth and one they play action and took the shot to Hollins and they got the interference call on So I think Mike's makes a good point, like you got to run the ball better than that and maybe make it a little bit easier for the pass protection to hold up.

To your point, Freddy, when you're quote easy to defend, they're just teeing off.

I don't know if you guys listened to Mike at the end of the half when they were going into halftime, but the CBS reporter aster they Mike made it a point to talk about how their short yardage situation was needed, was an improvement.

I mean, so it definitely caught his attention.

We saw some Hunter Henriette full back.

We saw a lot of misdirection.

I mean, it still seems like they're kind of looking for it to be able to run what Josh truly wants to run.

I mean, I think it's Jack Westover had some snaps, but I don't think he's the fullback answer.

So it's just also to me, was highlighted that they don't quite have the right personnel that they entirely need.

We know that work in progress.

You know, it's a work in progress as far as that, and hey, Ryan in Oceanside he said keep the faith alive.

That was pretty disgusting, disgusting opening to the season.

But hey, at least sixteen to one is still in play.

Spoken like Fred, that's true.

You can't argue with that.

I don't argue with you, Fred, I've learned that in order.

Carolina.

Justina, Hey, Justina, thanks for calling him.

What do you got, Hi?

I'm just a little disappointed that the college put Drake under the bus.

It's like, Drake is in the cause of the team.

Everybody was having mistakes, you know, everybody.

Are you going to you just said, drink under the bullet Oh?

I think the caller, Okay, I'm sorry, d a under the bus.

Because he did not you know, he kicked the ball off.

You know, the game they.

Had the Patriot's number.

And I don't think it's good to just take away the confidence of the team because they played hard.

They did.

Everybody had issues.

That they could correct.

It's a learning experience.

Don't make him feel like he's you know, he's the.

Cause of them losing.

You know, Drake is, he tries to He's very good.

I've seen Drake come out and pull it pull it out before, you know.

But but making him feel like and he takes responsibility for he's actions, but making him feel like he's the cause of the entire loss.

Oh, I don't think that yeah, the caller did that.

I'm what did you say, Matt?

The number of nineteen plus yard plays they allowed eleven eleven?

That has as much to do with losing the game as anything.

And I will throw a little perspective in this year.

I don't know if it's fitting or not, but a year ago with this time, what was the mood in this room?

We're back, baby.

It all depends on you were talking to No, No, No the Bengals game.

But I'm like, if you play that game sixteen more times, you're going one in sixteen.

I know.

But what they had to do to win the game, won a game, and they didn't improve throughout the course of the year.

I think I feel fairly confident in saying, forget about the record, they will let this team will improve to the course of the year.

Good question.

I think they're going to improve.

I wish I could.

I wish I could share that enthusias.

And I think the kids on the left side, you got to throw those guys in there.

I amble, Campbell and Wilson, and you know what, let's see how you guys do.

I think they will be better.

They're going to be better.

I think this is I want to direct this question to Paul's going to jump in with Sam from Halifax.

He just said, if you only watch Patriots games, you'd think Gino Smith is the greatest QB of.

All time, given us speaking about a year, last year and this year.

Paul, I remember last year in the pregame show, You're like, he stinks he's a stiff, and now is he two gazer.

He's a little strong, but it's not too it's not too far off.

Like he really opened my eyes in that game last year.

I'm not.

And you'd be like, that's the guy I was member, sort of a journeyman, you know, average guy against the Patriots that that email is dead on.

Pete Carroll goes to a brand new team in one of the first things he does is he brings Gino Smith with him, So like, who knows him better than Pete Carroll?

Yeah, your point.

Very accurate thrower, Gino, I.

Mean, and wide open receivers like we're in right now too.

That that that that helps too.

I mean, he's he's a good player.

I just he's impressed for him.

He had some really really good timing throws to the outside today where he just sort of delivered it right on time.

This is you know, obviously that was pitching.

Anyone can do that one.

But he had a throw to Bowers on the sideline.

He had to throw.

I want to say to Tucker.

Maybe it wasn't Tucker, maybe it was throwting on the sideline, but he listened.

I I was critical that email is dead on.

I was critical of him going into that Seattle game last year.

It was wrong that day.

I was right to Jacoby now, and I just I continue seeing some of the highlights of Jacoby Myers.

It's just, you know, we saw him here as a rookie, and he continues to do what he always does.

And it's just I don't feel like he gets a lot of respect.

But he is consistently productive no matter who is throwing him the ball, on whatever team he's been on.

We get it right in here from Nick from Phoenix, looking for any optimism.

I didn't need to see a win today in order to feel good about the team this year.

But I was really hoping to hang my hat on something in terms of improvement compared to last year.

What did you all see that makes you think that this team has improved verus last year?

I know, it's only one game, so I won't declare them dead by any means, But there wasn't anything that I can look at and say there was they were much improved on compared to last year.

May was if he a best.

The old line wasn't anything impressive and the defense couldn't get stops unless Vegas messed up.

Well, if the game ended after thirty minutes, we'd be happy, so can I.

But it was better today.

It was the question what was better today?

The pressure or did they scheme their pressure?

I would say pressure was better today.

That I mean, I do think it was schemed, but it was but better in spurts the kids chasing.

I think that was one where he actually beat the guy in front of him that didn't That was the one that didn't look schemed.

But the rest of them kind of looked schemed.

But again, like, didn't Keon White have like two and a half sacks in the first like game last year?

You know he saw a similar kind of like initial production, and then it was somebody for did.

You see any improvement?

You know, they they did not get to the quarterback at all last year, so they did they have for sacks and they play well.

They did, but they but to Mike's point, they had sacks in the first game last year.

I would just say, I think I just liked how Chase On looked.

I know he was kind of productive, but I just think he's got off the edge good and Landry's strong.

I just I think they've got some juice off the edge they didn't have last year.

I would say, even though I thought it was quiet, today, I would say Diggs is an improvement over last year.

And I think he'll get better.

Yeah, I think he'll get.

More comfortable and he'll develop his final numbers.

He was thirty for forty six for two eighty seven with a touchdown and a pick, four sacks in a fumble, Okay, not good.

Could have never done that?

Yeah, I mean, well, I think you could do I think you could absolutely do that.

Oh pset, he's capable of He's capable of not scoring points.

Yes, I don't think he can do that.

What was better this year?

And I think what he's talking about the email is talking about is May.

He's comparing it to May, not to Brissett.

But I know you had your little line there.

What was better?

A little line?

What was what was better, Like what was better today than it was last year?

And I think Matt's point.

I would agree with Matt.

I think the rush was better, even though Mike do So is correct and pointing out that Keon White had two and a half sacks in the opener last year and much like Harold Landry did well, I thought that the pressure was better.

Here's what's better.

It's only one game so far.

It was a whole season last year, so we're.

Comparing the first game, I know, and like basically season, you know, is it indicative of what you're going to get?

Right?

And I think Mike Dusau was pointing out that if you made the sweeping generalization that well, the pass rush looks good after the first week last year, obviously until you got to that game that they had nine sacks against the Bears, you never really sorry again.

Or even just feeling great about.

But I thinks I think Diggs gives the offense, the passing game a better option than anything they happen.

Looked better than he did last year.

I think Booty was on par with what he was last year.

I think Booty I think I don't want to go as far to say he's like criminally underrated or anything.

But I never understood the whole premise that he needed.

He was on the chopping block before the draft, like they're looking to move on from Kaishan Booty.

I have not seen anybody that's any better than Kaishan Booty in a Patriots uniform, and yet he always just seems to be the other guy.

Yeah, probably because he's not electric on the outside, but he's consistent.

Me.

He's kind of a little bit like Jacobe to me in that way, not exactly the same players, but you know, just makes the catches.

He gets.

Tough.

You have over one hundred yards today, he did one hundred and three.

Six for one hundred and three.

I think I think you can do.

You could do much worse than having him be like your third option.

Now.

The problem is they don't have great first options, and that's what we're gonna have to find.

Would you say he's a solid three?

Would you say that?

Would you say that to Mario?

Douglas was good, better and different today?

I mean I had a touchdown, he also had to drop, you know, kind of like a lot of these guys.

It was up and down, I think, But I would say, over all of them.

Had two touchdowns.

He was he had a step on that other one.

Seven, Well, it would have been one touchdown because that played seven seven targets to catches.

That's how it worse for mine.

Get to do it again for.

Minus two yards?

Yeah, no, not not good enough.

I mean two yards in a touchdown not easy to do.

I'd say, I.

Still feel good about Travon Henderson too, and I think I.

Feel run the ball a little bit.

I feel good about there's probably a lot with Max Crosby going into the game trying to figure out how to handle him and what we have to do to make sure that he doesn't destroy our game plan.

And of course next week he got Bradley Chubb.

Chubb and Jalen Phillips, who you know is still pretty good pass rushers themselves.

But as they start to get going a little bit, I think that they'll find ways to get tad him going.

I'd love to see vermandre get going.

I mean, that was what I really like it.

Henderson is Fred's thing.

I think Henderson was a guy that was a focal point of the Raiders defense today.

I think he was a big part of the Raiders defense's game plan and they were ready for him.

Now, I'm not saying that's great that he didn't really do much, but it's good to have some players that the other team has to account for.

Yeah, what's another thing I'm surprised about is just and I've said this a lot in the shows leading up to it, like mac Hollins was always involved in joint practices preseason, Like you just always saw Drake looking for him.

There was one moment where I'm like, it's like a first down from like the thirty.

I'm like, here comes a face to Matt Collins.

Didn't happen.

I just was interested because going in I suddenly show him.

I'm curious once we get into the games if this, if he continues to be like this, and today he disappeared.

I mean he had the one marginal at best part pass interference draw target.

That other target that he had.

I thought he I always called lobster armed.

I know it's alligator arm, but he lost I thought he.

I thought he heard some footsteps on that play a little bit, Yeah, just a little.

I wonder if there was some sort of they weren't on the same page, like maybe May thought he was.

Maybe shoes, and I don't know that happens to the best of us.

Uh, but I have to say I am surprised overall.

I mean, the emails continue to come in, and it's just that people are already so quickly ready to just be like, nope, Jake's not the guy.

I don't know why.

I don't know why you surprised these people.

This is what we do.

This is uh, this is Jacob in Rochester.

He will be propose the name change to the team, to the no end zone punts.

Looks like they have a lot of work to do just to beat another team that only won four games last year.

I not a lot of positivity in the emails and the callers that are coming in.

How many games Patriots last year?

One game?

So yeah, Kwani, I mean, let's let's hear from you.

I mean first game.

Yeah, you know, you've got a whole season ahead of you.

What's your outlook?

What?

I like the positivity?

I understand the frustration, and they're all warranted, but I think that's it's a learning curve.

It's a very young team.

I think people are forgetting Also a lot of rookies on this team, and they're gonna Yeah, they're gonna need to figure out what NFL reps look like.

They're still used to college well, and I don't count preseason because it's not the same kind of rep.

So just give them time.

I think the thing that's hard too is that, you know a lot of these games are coin flips, and and I mean it was it's still a winnable game today.

I mean, I know that didn't really look like it down the stretch and they weren't gonna win the game.

But still looking back on this as a game probably at the end of the season, and you're like, well, if you play better, and you know you might have had you might have had more of a chance in it.

So each one of these games that slips away, you know, these are the ones you're going to be lamenting if you're lucky enough to get into the playoff conversation, which you know, we'll see if they're eventually.

Able to get to that point.

The point that that Fred and I make all the time.

It's like, you know, oh, we have the Raiders and then we have the Dolphins, and we have the Browns and the Titans, and everybody's like win, win, and they're like oh we have, you're probably going to have twelve of those and if things go well, you probably go six and six in those games.

Like, you can't expect a four win team to just take every team that's like them and say they're going to win.

You know, my boy Felger loves to say they're favorite in eleven games.

Are you picking them to win all eleven of those games?

You think they're going eleven and zero in the games that they're favored in, because I don't right that way, and that's already oh and one and games that you're favored in.

It's it's just hard, like there's not that much difference between most of the teams in the league.

There are the Baltimore's and the Buffalo and you know, the Philadelphias, and then there's kind of everybody else that's in a you know, if it's a good day for you, you can win today, and if it's a bad day, like it wasn't the second half today, you're probably gonna lose.

With a September trip to Miami on tap.

I mean, talk about two bad teams, Miami get blistered today.

They weren't.

I mean, they were as competitive as the Patriots were.

And you made a good point.

Usually Miami comes out fast on offense.

Yeah, So what does it say about.

If McDaniel doesn't have something up his sleeve to start the season, he's not gonna find it, right, He usually doesn't find it.

Here's an interesting stat via friend Alex Barth.

Today was the Patriots twenty fourth home loss since the start of the twenty twenty one season, the most in the NFL in that span.

That's surprising things I believe there.

I believe there's sixteen and twenty seven at home since Brady.

Left something along all that's stings.

Why, I just don't.

I mean, there's one thing to have great player, but just to be that bad at home, it's a lot.

There was one more that that Barth had as well.

Shoot, I'm looking for it.

I guess he's sorry.

Oh, here it is.

It was also the fifteenth one possession loss since the start of the twenty twenty.

Three so that happened.

What does that feel like?

Did today feel like a one possession game?

I was gonna jump in on that earlier.

It was.

If you look at the NFL, most games are one possession.

There are there are one possession games in there or that right, that was one of them.

But the Patriots do have the most such losses in that span over the last season plus.

So historical.

Thank you Alex Barth for a little bit of context.

And I mean, but Paul, that was your thing.

You thought that the home field was going to make a difference.

To me, I thought that would push him over the top.

Now that can go the other way too.

And you know, you're listening to the emailers and the callers and they're all saying, like, it's what is different.

It's the same stuff we've been watching, the same stuff.

That attitude is probably permeating from the crowd too when stuff starts to go wrong.

It's almost like, you know, we always say the Knicks, the Knicks in a big game.

That crow can be electric both ways.

It can help the Knicks when the Knicks are playing well.

When they don't, it can become a real hindrance.

And I wonder if the Jewet Stadium crowd right now is sort of waiting for something bad to happen.

They should be.

They've lost more games here than anybody in the last four years.

But I hear you, but that's like, that's what you wanted my congratulations.

You know, that's he was tired of twelve and four.

Every year he got what he wanted.

I'm tired of.

Brought the car.

Now, what are you going to do?

Can we go back to that I'm tired of for well, I want to go back to.

The twelve four.

Brady might have been kind of good.

And I'm not ready.

I'm not ready to say that's just yes.

I mean he does own the rad by the.

Way game he was calling again.

That's what I thought.

It was being facetious the pre game, very gullible.

So guys, we have about seven minutes left.

I just want to say, what's what's next for the Patriots team here?

What do you do with Miami house a whole?

We know that, What do the meeting rooms look like like?

If what does a vrabel post loss week look like?

I think they're going to be pissed.

Yeah, I think they're gonna be pissed because I think that there's an opportunity here today.

And it's not that they squandered the opportunity, but I think it was a missed opportunity.

You know, Riders played all right, you know, but they were definitely there to be taken in the first half and they came out and they didn't show in the second half.

Your Matt's got to be terrible, and you heard it from Mike.

I think that was terribly frustrating.

To your question, then then who gets to blame in those meetings.

I don't think it's going to be like one blame.

I think it's just going to be room accountability.

Every room is gonna like like I said, I think each room needs to really have some comp to Jesus this week and take accountability, because.

You really can't say in this game, well, the line.

Played well, or you know, the receivers played well, or you know played well, or you know, like it was all around like so, and that's the way you have to treat it.

We all need to get better.

Yeah, you know, don't you think that that will be the message?

Yeah?

Absolutely, I mean usually, I mean if this isn't any different than a polo check team or anything else, you know, we win and lose as a team.

It wasn't anyone play.

It was a series of just you know, poor plays at critical times, and that's the difference.

In the NFL.

What do you think needs to change next week?

What needs to change.

Like I said, like I almost tempted to say, Josh, just have a game plan where you just say, from the get go, we're going to pass the hell out of the ball.

That's how we're going to win this game.

We need to get better.

Passing the ball because until we do that, no one's going to respect our run.

You know, they're gonna just they.

They need to get I agree with you larger thought, but they just need to get better at everything offensive they do.

But you need to run the ball better, they need to pass protect better, they need to throw it better.

But I just feel like if they try to, if they try to even it out, they're not going to string enough plays together where you know you're going to.

Get that rhythm.

So like, just keep trying the pass, keep trying the pass until you start having success, and then you put the run in.

And now the defense is on their heels.

Right now, they're on their toes and they're going forward.

They're crashing because they don't have to worry about what's behind them.

That would be my one thing I agree with Fred, Like shoot mccollins down the field, Shoot Kashan Booty down the field.

See if you can make it.

So you have a three and out, then you tell your defense we need you.

I'd rather have a three and out by missing on a bomb than have a three and out because they're squatting on an out route on Kaishawan Booty in the third quarter where the guy is running the route for him number thirty six, knocking the pass away.

You know, try something different, Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

How do you feel about Miami overall?

Though?

I mean this is Tua Tungo Biloa said that.

Can go one of two ways for Miami.

I mean that's a beat down today by a you know, you talk about a team.

I mean, I know people think the Cults stink.

It shows you that just in the league, like I think they won seven last year.

I think they went seven to ten.

They're not very good, but they looked like they were pretty good today.

I mean, they man handled the Dophins.

Gonzo back next week, and I don't have a lot of confidence that.

Would he still has.

It's not like he started practicing towards the end of the week.

He still hasn't practiced.

So you need you need him to get back out there and then we'll have a questionable week where he plays, but probably not, and then maybe.

It's tough for him.

See, this is the dilemma of being a coach.

So your best player hasn't played.

Meanwhile, I got a game to get ready.

I can't spend the week getting you ready for a game two weeks from now.

The reps have to go to the guys that are gonna play.

You know.

Yeah, I'm not saying that he won't play, because he could play, but I'm with Fred.

I mean, I don't feel great about it in light of the fact that he hasn't practiced in six weeks.

Well, at the very least, he's got to be out there Wednesday, right, Like that's is that.

Heaton community good for a soft tissue?

The reason it should be, Yes, you're dehydrated, but you.

Know, I'm just looking at you know, and obviously they had a disaster.

I mean two or three fo one hundred and fourteen yards in that game today with two picks, but four catches for Tyreek Hill, four catches for Jaylen Waddle.

So you want to talk about how what are you doing in the meeting rooms?

What?

You know what, Mike McDaniel's got to look at that and say, we need to get the ball in the hands of our playmakers, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the focal point.

And if Christian Gonzalez isn't fully healthy and he's chasing one of those guys around, that could be a problem.

Yeah, I I I don't know.

I don't think he's gonna play.

I don't I'm not counting on him, Let's put it that way.

He's not on my mental rate.

I think he probably will play, but I'm not count on him.

Yeah, he's not on my mental radar for this game.

How do you approach wattle On Hill if you don't have a lot of bracket zones?

But that's what Tour kind of likes that.

I don't know.

I look at what happened today with the Colts and said, what did they do?

Yeah?

Do you think it's I mean, Mike Rabel's played plenty of games in Miami, and I think anybody who knows this organization knows what that means going down to Miami to play.

Do you think that that could be a positive thing for them to kind of circle the wagons a little bit, get out of Dodge, go on a road trip and have to play somewhere where all week everyone's going to be telling them about Miami.

You can't be too and you haven't you know, you've won in Miami three times in the last twenty years or whatever it is.

You know, is that Do you think that that's a favorable situation.

I don't know about the matchup itself, but just the situation.

What do you think a win in Miami would do for this fan base?

I mean, it would reinvigorate them.

Yeah, it's the medicine that you need right now.

And also it's just very telling that Daniel Jones, like I don't know, I was just shocked that that was She's.

A Giants fan.

I know, two for.

A touchdown and he ran for two touchdowns.

Sometimes it doesn't always work on the first stuff that any.

Done, Anything's possible.

I've heard that before.

Yeah, all right, well, guys, I wish I could say it was more fun, but it was fun.

It'll be more fun next.

Yeah, you're gonna be in the host chair next week.

So thanks for coming, thanks for having Matt, for coming in.

Everybody and I go quickly, we need to do better next week.

Yeah, yeah, we need that.

We're working on it.

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