Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast.

I'm Ryan Warmley, joined for the last time this off season, not for the last time ever, not for the last time this year, but for the last time this off season, by Scott Bogman and Pat Fitzmorris.

Guys, we are wrapping up our several months long coverage of the three of us doing this show every week, as we always do.

You know, we transition from the off season into the regular season.

We'll still have a bunch of stuff goling on in the discord, so everybody should go check that out Fantasypros dot Com slash Chat.

We'll talk about the little bit later, but we're gonna have stuff going on there, you know, chats with me and Fits Fits and Bogman, all that usual stuff.

Of course, we're not going anywhere when we get into next year's Dynasty coverage as well, but for the purposes of transitioning to end season, this is kind of a pseudo ending of at least this year's iteration of the show.

So, Bogman, how do you feel were here at the end of Yeah, exactly.

I'll sign yearbooks.

I wrote a whole paragraph to worm you know, hope you get better.

Yeah, all that backs all yeah.

Yeah, yeah, all that good stuff.

It was uh yeah, this is a fun season, and we'll still be here to answer your questions, of course, But now we're going to dive into what's next in the Dynasty world and what are you going to be trading those picks four for next year?

Yeah, we get into in season and you know, the conversation often does become about, hey, like I'm out of contention, time to make trades, things like that.

The next draft coming up is twenty twenty six, So we thought what better way to kind of help prepare folks for in season trading than a surface level kind of quick here high you know, you know, thirty thousand foot view of the twenty twenty six class fits.

Yeah.

Always fun to take a look ahead.

And I don't know if we can draw as many firm conclusions about this class as we were able to maybe draw about the class of twenty twenty five a year ago.

But I don't know, we'll talk it through.

It's an interesting class for I'm not sure that we might, like, we might feel a lot better about this class in four months time than we do right now.

Yeah, I do feel like Bogman.

That tends to happen, Like when we feel one way about a class several months out, we often feel very different when we get to the end of the college football season, and that can go in both directions.

Sometimes the class looks a little worse if we thought it was going to be this epic class, just because you know, guys get hurt or underperform.

And sometimes it's the reverse, sometimes that Joe Burrow comes out of nowhere and all of a sudden, this is a great year to have the first pick in a super flex when it didn't look like it going into the season, or whatever the example might be.

I know you have kind of pushed back a little on some of the conversations we've had this summer about like, hey, you should be more willing to move your twenty twenty six picks because twenty twenty seven looks so strong, and you're kind of like, well, hang on a second, there are gonna be good players next year.

Yeah, And that's not it's twofold.

It's not so much that the twenty twenty sixth class is going to be great, because I don't know, it could be bad, It could be much better.

Than we're projecting it to right now.

But we also like twenty twenty seven is two years away from now.

Jeremiah Smith and yeah, Jeremi Smith and Ryan Williams are by far the top, and we don't have those type of superstars here.

So as long as they're healthy, there are better options at the top of the twenty twenty seven draft than there are the twenty twenty six draft.

But we don't know if those guys are gonna be healthy, and we don't know what the rest of that class is really going to look like because it is two full years away and one season of college football wall obviously change a lot of opinions.

So there are gonna be guys that fade into oblivion during the NFL draft season during this college season because they just don't perform well or they get hurt, and they are gonna be guys that rides to the top that gain a lot of buzz and a lot of traction towards their draft stock.

So I think we just don't know who is at the top right now.

Are there those upper echelon starters, No, I don't see them today, But will there be starters for your team and next year's rokie.

Of course, there's starters in every single rookie draft.

We're going to go through position by position and sort of just discussed like the relative strength of it, like, hey, how does the quarterback class compare to last year or the year before, things like that.

We can maybe kind of do some comparisons between the positions, like, oh, is this a good year to need a running back versus a receiver?

Things like that, and we could throw out some names that interest us.

But this is very preliminary.

Like again, this stuff is going to change a lot throughout the college football season, so you know, be watching on Saturdays if you want to kind of get a leg up on in your competition and get some early thoughts on dynasty rookie.

You know draftsman and.

I really and I know fits as similar to me, Like there's just too much with like the NFL season for for us to dive in.

But Bogman is a man who can do it all.

So get you a man who can do both.

That'll be Bogman for for the purposes of this.

No college basketball when you all are talking.

About it later, yes, because you're focused on I.

Know nothing about it.

Yeah, when when fits and I are talking Maryland, Wisconsin on a cold January night.

Make yes exactly.

Provider for everybody that All of our twenty twenty five consensus rankings and tiers can be found at fantasypros dot com slash rankings.

From there you can also navigate too art Dynasty rankings as well.

We'll also probably wrap up the episode with maybe some final just thoughts on the general twenty twenty five classes, kind of like putting a bow on our conversation that we have been having, you know, really all summer.

But before that, let's get into twenty twenty six class.

Let's start with the quarterbacks.

Now, Bog, when you put together kind of a list of at least some of the relevant names here, we don't need to like dive deep into all these guys, obviously.

I'm kind of curious where you as somebody who has maybe dived into this a little bit more than I have, not maybe who definitely has dived into this a little bit more than I have so far already.

I'm curious where you go with the quarterbacks.

Is there, like the one name, obviously, the most famous name being Arch Manning.

Is there the one name that you feel like, hey, if you have the number one pick, you know, like a year with the Caleb Williams or a Trevor Lawrence, there's not going to be a whole lot of debate, or do you think this is going to be a class that like, it's going to be a lot of back and forth when we're at the combine and going through pro days, and whoever ends up getting drafted first might just end up being the guy to go first, and that will determine it.

How do you view this class when you initially sit down to look at it.

This is the strength.

Quarterback is the strength of this class.

So if you're in a super flexing you need a quarterback, this is going to be a good season to go ahead and grab one at the top.

It seems right everything can change here, And that is with me with the idea that I don't think Arch comes out like maybe he does.

Maybe his year is too good.

He wins the hisman by a lot, Texas dominates everybody in their national champions and it's just like.

What does he have left to prove?

That is a rare scenario for a first year starter, So I don't think that's gonna happen.

For Arch, I think there will be some growing pains, of course, and I think he'll come out next year.

But even if he doesn't, Kay Klubnik is your favorite for the Heisman right Him and Arch are one two Lenora Sellers reminds me of Cam Newton.

Garrett nuss Meyer is a great passer, Drew aller with Andy Colt Nicki there at Penn State last year, took a gigantic step up and gave us weapons like Tyler Warren last year.

You know, Fernando Mendoza from cal going to Indiana.

It's gonna be very interesting to see what he has with real weapons.

Sam Levitt and John Mattier are both quarterbacks with rushing upside.

I think this class is pretty deep right now.

I do think that it's still has a lot to separate.

We're going to see a bunch, but I would say that it's a tier of like Arch, klub Nick, Seller's Nussmeyer at the top, those four, and then Aler, Mendoza, Levitt, Matier, and then maybe like if Carson Beck is good.

I don't think he's very good, but maybe he's at Miami.

Miami has promoted guys draft stock before cam Ward, so I think this is the depth of the class.

I think there's a lot of good options here.

But do I have a for sure number one overall?

No, if you ask me right now, Lenora Sellers.

But I want to I want to see him make it through a year clean with no injuries.

That's really the big thing for him.

Fits.

I'm curious when you look at the class, like, I think it's hard to argue against the fact that it's a deep quarterback class, but do you see the high impact like I'm not even gonna say instant impacts, but just the quarterbacks with really high fantasy ceilings in this class that you think there's a reasonable chance of them hitting them because there's always guys in college who have Like you can make the case for the high ceiling, but do you see guys here who you think there will be some of these names that pan out And are those maybe like tier one, tier two type fantasy quarterbacks and dynasty at some point.

Yeah.

The easy comparison to make with the quarterback class we like, I guess is the QB class of twenty twenty four with Jade Daniels and Caleb Williams and Drake May and you know bo Nicks and JJ McCarthy.

I think we have similar depth here.

I just I don't know if there's quite the star power, Like you kind of have to squint to see it with some of these guys, and you know, since some of them are are pretty purely pocket passers, it's hard to see it right away.

Whereas like last year, there was rushing upside with Daniels may Caleb for sure, bo Nicks has given us a little too, and JJ McCarthy.

Actually all of them can run to some degree or another.

Not quite as much of that with this class, But I agree with Bogs.

QB is probably going to be the strength of the class of twenty twenty six.

It's going to be a better year for rookie drafts and super flex than in one QB league's in dynasty.

Yeah, I'm I don't know.

I guess the guy want to be most excited about is the one guy who can bring the rushing upside.

Leonora Sellers, who had almost seven hundred rushing yards last year, and remember sack yardage counts against the college quarterbacks rushing yardage for some odd reason.

You know, Leonora's Sellers is fast and he's like two hundred and forty pounds, So like there is a lot to like here.

Maybe it's uh, maybe we get Anthony Richardson, but as a more advanced and experienced passer.

When we look at this from the fantasy perspective, Bogman, so like you kind of put together this sheet, we're you know, driving some of these rankings off like mock draft database.

So the order in the sheet you have together right now is like glub Nick Manning, Sellers, nuss Meyer, Aller, and so on.

Do you see a different order for fantasy I mean, given sellers hiss rushing ability, would he be the numbre choice for fantasy setting aside maybe just the overall ceiling of arch or do you see this as the order that they're kind of ranked as prospects is the same as the order you would have them as fantasy guys.

I think I think this is the order of prospects, not as fantasy guys.

Right, But with that being said, I think fits is right in that Leonora's Sellers is by far he has the highest ceiling of this group, not Art, like if you don't count arch, because archs can run as well, Sellers can really run Sellos like has cam Newton upside so and he's big, He's like two forty.

He's like a linebacker out there.

He has a lot of fun to watch so uh, but again, can't he stay healthy?

He was banged up in high school, banged up a little bit early uh in his career at South Carolina?

So can he last?

And how good is South Carolina under him?

I think that's a big question as well.

So, but fantasy relevance the him arch Those guys can both run.

Klubnik can run more than Nessmeyersmeyer's like a little slim.

I don't want don't want him to take the hit.

Drew Aller is just a big monster.

Like he's like a brothel spurger right, like six five, two forty might be being generous to him.

But Levitt and Mattier can both run.

But there's big questions about their passing capability and is it going to translate to the NFL level?

But both big time runners.

I want to ask you, Bogman, before you move off quarterbacks just because you are a Texas guy, like is the Let's just assume for the sake of argument that Archie is going to be a part of this class.

Obviously that is no sure thing.

Sure for the sake of arguments, assume that is, if his name was Pat Bogman, right, Like, if it was not he was not a Manning, He's not connected to like the you know, the Golden family of football and quarterbacking.

Would his prospect status be different, like as an actual player.

I know it's been limited what we've seen on.

The field, but from what we've seen on the field, from what they've talked about at practice, from what we know about him as recruit, all that stuff, if he wasn't a Manning, would this still be the same kind of hype, Because it does feel like if there's anybody in this class that is going to turn this into a Luck Lawrence Caleb type of year where there's just an obvious pick, it feels like, given the name brand alone, it's going to be Arch.

Yeah, I mean I would say that would the national intention would not be there.

I think his recruiting rating would have been maybe a little lower, but probably close to the same.

This dude did it in high school.

He was great and he run, you know, he processes like a Manning that can run.

And that's the excitement, and that is the buzz and that is why Texas has, you know, the target on their back for everybody this year, the first time the number one team has ever been an underdog in the first game of the season in the history of college football.

So you know, it's a it's a tall task.

But he's also surrounded by talent, So he could have an amazing Heisman level season and still be overrated going into the NFL because Texas is surrounding him with an NFL level offensive line and weapons that are crazy.

So you know, is he going to be overrated?

I think you can probably say that at any point with him.

But is he really good too?

Yes?

Absolutely, Fitz.

Do you think there's like a legit obviously there's a chance, But do you think there's like a real, like meaningful chance that Arch kind of turns this into a very obvious number one pick in rookie drafts?

Yeah?

I mean, but I do kind of believe.

Wasn't it our Chie Manning his Archer's grandfather who said, like he's that we're not going to see Arch, Yeah until twenty twenty seven, so.

But he he said it's not it's not decided yet.

Yeah, Arch did, right, So I tend to think it's gonna it's gonna be no Arch until twenty twenty seven, just because he doesn't.

Have much plan.

Yeah, he doesn't have much playing experience right now in college.

Like, it has been a really slow rollout of Arch Manning in college football, and I'm kind of excited to finally see a full season of him as a starter.

There are many Texas fans that were mad that Quinn Hit started for as long as he did and Arch didn't get in there last year.

I am excited for the possibility of debating Arch versus Jeremiah Smith if they both like hit what we think they can in.

Twenty twenty seven.

For if you have the number one pick in those rookie classes, well we'll be highly interesting.

Yeah, so this is and we think I know, Bodman, you said this fits.

Do you kind of agree that quarterback you think is the strongest position in this class?

I do?

Okay, Uh, definitely deep.

We'll see what happens with the star power at the top.

Let's go to the running backs.

That was the star of the show.

This current twenty twenty five class obviously was this historic class.

It was I think Fitz you kept saying that it was like two running back classes.

In one they had star power at the top with Ashi Gent there was extraordinary depth.

A lot of those guys have only risen in like redraft rankings this year throughout August, like Trevon Henderson, like just a very, very excellent class.

Feels like it'll be very difficult for the twenty twenty six class to live up to that level as a running back class.

But fits when you look at the running back class, do you see any similarities?

Are they can they get close to the twenty twenty five class or is this like no competition.

I don't think it's a contest.

I don't think it's on the same level.

We're going to be excited about Jeremiah Love, and I know on the NFL mock draft database, like Jeremiah Love is projected to go in the first round next year.

Wouldn't surprise me.

Notre Dame, like a lot of people are familiar with them because we saw Notre Dame make a nice long playoff run last year.

Yeah, and Love has the juice.

He's a guy we're gonna get excited about.

And I'd be shocked, like, barring some sort of terrible injuries, gonna go in the first round of rookie drafts.

And I'm pretty excited about Nick Singleton too, who has been like an impact player for Penn State for a while.

And you know, like there's some other interesting prospects.

It would be hard to guess at how they're going to be ordered after those two guys.

I would imagine those two are definitely going to be in the top three or four.

But after that, and you know, I'd love to hear Bogman talk about the thunder and lightning combination at Texas because I'm not sure which of those guys I should like more.

Two very different but very promising backs.

Yeah, I mean, I think you're absolutely right when it comes to this RB class with the tippy top right now, it's Love and Singleton and it's going to be difficult to break that.

So but those two aren't both studs.

I mean, Jeremiah Love more, you know, if we want to compare to this class more Henderson with Singleton being more Hampton, right like bigger bruising back in in Singleton.

Uh.

With the guys at Texas, you know, Trey Weisner just came on strong after CJ.

Baxter went out for the year.

Uh.

In fall camp, he toward his ACL and PCL missed the entire season.

So the stats I threw up for him more are from twenty twenty three because he's coming off a major knee injury.

But he was a massive prospect coming out.

He was going to be the next bajon right then Jonathan Brooks, so went Baujon to Jonathan Brooks and then it is supposed to be Baxter's year this year and he got hurt.

So Trey Wisner played great down the stretch when when Quinn Ewers was GIMPI.

So they have two great backs plus the strong offensive line at Texas now, and both these guys are uh, you know, high level prospects and bogs.

When you say a massive prospect, that's literally and figuratively for CJ.

Backs.

Yes, Like he is not a small dude.

He's six one, two thirty.

He is a thumper.

Yeah, Trey Weisner is six feet and he's not small, he's one ninety four.

But he's lightning.

CJ.

Baxter's thunder.

Baxter is the guy that he's the chiseled up rock guy that everybody you know is excited to watch.

So I think if he has a great year.

He has a chance to crack into that group with Love and Singleton.

Kate Tron Allen is a very good back at Penn State as well, a little more balanced from him.

Le'Veon Moss has a great first step at A and M.

As much as I hate to admit that, Jonah Coleman is the three down back jam Miller's first chance.

Like, there are some backs here, but we have to see the cream rise at the top.

A lot of this is just experience.

I mean, even with Singleton and Allen, they split carries, so you know, we just want to see a little more.

I'm gonna want to see landing spots for these guys.

I really like Darius Taylor honestly at Minnesota.

I have him in my campus to Canton League.

I like Jonah Coleman too, honestly as a sleeper.

I'm gonna want to see landing spots the guys at the top.

I'm curious, let's just say, for Love and Singleton specifically, where would they slid in in if they were in this year's class.

Like obviously you know behind gent right the way we talked about gent, you can't really put anybody there, you know, on that same level.

But amongst that group of like the top six or so running backs that we were really excited about fits, where do you think Love and Singleton would have fallen?

I think Love would have been behind Genty and Hampton in the com put him ahead of Henderson close.

That's the question for close.

I think that's where, like you flip a coin on those guys, so three or.

Four, I think there's more, there's more workhorse potential with Love.

Quite honestly, I don't think he's quite as I don't I don't even want to say he's not quite as electric, because he's he's got some electricity too.

But yet like pretty close call with him and Henderson bog.

Mean what about Singleton?

Yeah, I think Singleton would come in right after those guys, you know, so so.

Like ahead of Caleb and her Harvey.

Yeah, I think I like jud Judkins would be like, you know, obviously there's extenuating circumstances.

Yeah, them from how he evaluated him, he's in that group though.

I think Singleton, if he gives us another good year this year, he's going to come in with a much better resume than Caleb Johnson.

Yes, Okay, I agree with that.

Yeah, and then yeah, I mean like we kind of hit on some of those death pieces like you mentioned Moss and Coleman and Taylor.

Running Back is a position where you know you can kind of burst onto the scene.

So Oregon Malachai Hughes coming over from Tulane, Uh Malachi or Mackay.

I can't I always screw his name.

Up, but he is uh going to Oregon is going to give him a really good shot to put himself on the map this year because we've seen you know, Bucky and Jordan James just got drafted.

So Makay Hughes.

So he's this dude from Tulane's a little bowling ball, so he's a lot of fun to watch.

Well.

Last question on the running back class fits like so like twenty twenty three was Lee, Like we had Bijan and Gibbs, like these two studs.

At the top.

You know, this current year had studs the top end depth.

How would you compare it to twenty twenty four?

Just try to look at like more than just this current class, but like kind of recent classes.

That's why twenty four rookie class, how would you compare that to this one?

I mean, I gotta give it to twenty twenty four right now.

Like I just you know, I like Love and Singleton a lot.

I don't know if we're gonna be like crazy over the top in love with these guys come December.

I think Love we're gonna be there with Love.

We'll see on Singleton, similar thoughts Bagman, Yeah, I think I think that's right.

You know, it seems nice now, but it could go This could go sideways.

I think that's the thing is, like we could get a couple of really nice prospects here, but stuff could go sideways still as well.

So this is a group right now.

I think Love and Singleton, Alan Weisner, Baxter are pretty guaranteed.

Outside of those, I'm not real sure.

Interesting, Yeah, obviously twenty twenty four looks a little different now with Jonathan Brooks's injuries.

We were, you know, pretty interested in him at.

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All right, let's go to the wide receivers here.

Obviously, the strength of lat one of the strengths of last year's class.

This year maybe less so, but still some names that we liked a lot early and really like now.

Guys who have kind of risen like Egbuka and obviously Tedero McMillan.

We were excited about Travis Heitzeer kind of his own little category there, Bogman.

The wide receiver class for twenty twenty six, how does it compare?

Yeah, it's not there.

This one is.

This is really I think where we look and we go, well, this class doesn't have the juice, and that is because we just don't know how these guys are going to separate right now.

And the top of the class is not like natural high level athletic ability, right, Like Jordan Tyson is amazing.

He's a great route runner, he's awesome with the ball in his hands, but he doesn't look like Ted McMillan.

Right, He's not six'.

Four he's not gonna go up and grab the ball Like Mike.

Evans he's not going to burn you out with a four two nine forties like you, know kind of a regular speed for a wide.

Receiver and he's kind of at the off this.

Class Antonio williams From clemson five to, eleven right, fast very very, fast and a, technician but not unbelievably athletically.

Gifted you have to go down to a little more raw.

Prospects for.

THAT i, Mean Denzel boston is six four two.

Nine we like, that.

Right we Got Carneal tits a big dude six 'y.

Three Jacobe lane's a big dude at six.

Four Nick.

Harper Nick harper is like biggest upside of anybody, here six, five two thirty five is gonna Have Leonora sellers throw him the rock and he is a speed demon as.

Well is he receiver or not tight?

End?

Yes the?

Receiver, okay, YEAH i THINK i think.

THEY i know he was a tight end when When maryland was recruiting him like in high, school BUT i hadn't really paid attention since, then so he Might.

YEAH i MEAN i think he's so fast they just call him wide.

Receiver, yeah so he.

Is he's a physically he's a big.

Boy.

Yeah so there there is that athletic upside plays.

Here but they just don't have as much experience as some of those other.

Guys they haven't carried their team for two, years three, years and you, know have the whole team relying on, them so we know, them.

Right they might get that work this year and then they'll you, know skyrocket in.

Value but it's just right, now we don't, know so this, one there is a lot of talent, here but it's a little shrouded in, MYSTERY i would, say in terms of who is going to level out this year and really.

Peak Carnel tait's a really interesting one to me BECAUSE i think he's a good.

PLAYER i know some people that are close to The Ohio state program who are really high on.

Him but he also is not going to be the number one target in the offense because they Have Jeremiah smith, there who's you, Know Julio jones.

Reincarnate so it'll be interesting to see a how he performs this, year just you, know for college production and be what his Prospects satus ends up looking like if he's not the NUMBER i, Mean Mecha aguka has like long been the number two in the offense and now we're all really excited about him in THE.

Nfl like it was just a, loaded you, know wide receiver room At Ohio, State so Maybe tate has a similar.

There fits do you have first of, all the same like kind of high level thoughts on this part of the class that this is really like the receivers are why people view this as a down?

Class, YEAH i think, so because they're just not really any surefire stars.

HERE i don't even know If Jordan tyson, is and THE nfl mock draft database has him going he's like the only one comfortably inside the first round in the mock draft, Database he's sixteenth overall, projected and then it drops down To Antonio williams And Denzel boston is like end of the first round.

Guys so it could be one of those classes where Every dynasty podcast host analyst has a different order for the top five or top ten in next year's wide receiver, class like a lot Of you're going to see a lot of people caping up for a lot of different guys in this, class but it's going to be a REALLY i could also see it being one of these things where like our pre draft rookie rankings at wide receiver and our post draft rookie rankings look a lot different because guys either get like drafted way higher than we think they're going to or way, lower and like the draft capital like does not match up with our preconceptions about this.

Class so it's it's really, Fascinating like it'll be interesting to see how things shake out this, fall because there will certainly be guys based on productivity who jump to the top of the, class and you know some other guys who slip a little.

Bit the combine always means more for wide receivers, anyway, Right like it just because they're so, athletic you can you can really test the.

Athleticism BUT i think this year in, particular like you were kind of you kind of made the point whorm with like you know at the very, beginning like is this going to be the year where like maybe the combine separates the quarterbacks at the.

TOP i think the wide receivers that's the big.

Thing is that The Senior, bowl the, combine like the whole, process you, know Post january after of course the college football, Season we're gonna have guys rise and lower because of the football, season what's on the.

Field BUT i do think that The Senior, bowl uh and the combine are going to matter the most four wide receivers this year more than they have in the.

PAST i will say it's a pretty fun mix of like BIG x receiver types and like smaller speedy slot.

Guys like there's some big dude like we Mentioned Nick harbor Of South carolina and how massive that guy, is but like Just Denzel boston is like a pretty big.

DUDE i think six' four like two.

Ten man Who Else elijah Sarratt of indiana six to two like.

Two ten there's some really Big Like.

Alpha target and oh another one of the, Big Guys trey lance's, Younger Brother bryce Lance At north dakota stans six three.

Two ten it's gonna be interesting to see what he can do, and maybe, you know one Of these lance boys will will pan out IN.

THE nfl i wanted to.

Ask about guy on the other end of the, Size Spectrum, zachariah branch who was a top ten and overall recruit the year he, came out like WENT.

TO usc i thought he was gonna Shine In lincoln, riley's offense like, super fast, like big big.

Play guy didn't really ever, work out you know with any of the quarterbacks that he played WITH.

At usc is now Going, To, georgia bogman what do you think about him?

As somebody do you think he could like kind of get back to that recruiting level of pedigree that he had coming in and become a big play Guy for georgia the way he really couldn't put it all TOGETHER.

FOR usc, I mean george is going to pass the ball, way less so you probably be in front of, more eyes which, is, Nice right but the quarterback play is very Questionable at georgia this year.

As well so the big the biggest Thing For zacharia branch for me is we know he's electric with the ball in.

His hands, he's great you know, he is he's a.

Lightning bug but what is he going?

To weigh because he's listed a.

One eighty if he's, one Eighty then i'm.

One, fifty like, no way there's there's no way he's.

One EIGHTIES so i think though the way in will matter.

For him but but, he is he is a really.

Good player but he Going to georgia's does.

Two things number one probably puts more money in his pocket today and uh, number two, you know just way more eyes are going to be on you if you're IN the sec and playing in front of a national audiences every.

Single WEEK so i think his his raft sock will raise a.

Decent amount specifically if he makes some big booming plays he what he will do is catch, the football which is not something they Had at georgia.

Last year, So uh i'm excited to see what.

He's got, it's hilarious just like thinking about football as a sport, that like at the same position back to back in The mock draft, Database Rankings zachariv rich, Five Ten nick harver six five two thirty five playing the, same sport same position as uh is wild between.

Those two let's go to the.

Tight ends there's typically less to say about college.

Tye ends it just the way the position, is used, and like obviously there can be.

Great prospects, you Know, brock bowers you know in recent years comes, to mind but, you know not not quite the same level of like this was what makes her break a class the way you know receivers might in the eyes of dynasty Managers fits when you look at the, tight ends does anything stand out to you in terms of like depth or star power or strength?

Versus weakness what do you think about the tight?

Ends, HERE yeah i mean the guy who kind of stood out to me last Fall Was Eli Star, wars vanderbilt, you know, big game they're Upset, of alabama and like he's definitely a pass, catching type like, six four two, thirty five he's a move tight, end type but he's also going, to be, you know a conventional fourth, year senior and the mock draft database has two tight ends going ahead.

Of him no projected first rounders at tight end in, this class but three Second Rounders Stower's max claire who Went from Purdue To, ohio State And can Sadik, of oregon and they're both going to, be juniors, you know.

Really Interesting and claire's numbers last year as a sophomore on a bad team, pretty impressive fifty, one catches six hundred and eighty.

Five yards based on how they're listed, Right, now bogman those three names at, the top they are also the, three LIGHTEST so i would presume it, may, be like, you know the the most likely to be maybe used in the, receiving Game.

Harbor way More.

THAN sotours, i.

MEAN yeah i think it's.

Taller.

Too, yeah yeah look this we have.

No idea that's basically what the tight end class, is now Because like claire Going To ohio state is not good for his past catching and his fantasy, around us right Because uh Tate And jeremiah smith are going to catch the, Ball there they're going to go their Running backs They're not they're not Throwing the Ball to claire much, but again more money in his pocket today and also more draftstock.

For Him eli sowers is.

REALLY good i would like to see him go to a good team that can scheme.

HIM up i don't Know what sadiq is gonna be if he's really.

Two ten obviously he has a lot of mass to put on to play tight end IN, the nfl or switch to wide receiver or.

Big slot isaiah, likely ish but that also capture.

Fantasy Upside jack andrees is a Guy That jack Andrees And, Brett Norfleet, tanner kozial those are.

The dudes DUDES that i, like there and there's all guys with.

Size Right jack andres six four two forty coming over from cal now Gets arch manning as his NUMBER.

ONE qb I like Loss and Lucky and, delp too, but again weird quarterback play this Year With gunner Stockton.

At georgia don't know if that's gonna work out.

For Them brett norfleet is six six two sixty three so uh could be a.

Nice Piece and cozy all is six seven forty coming Over to houston From ball state from.

Last season so those are some GUYS that i look to hope because they're so physically gifted to see some helium rise and then catch some footballs.

This year so correct Me if.

I'm, Wrong bogman it sounds LIKE if i was to rank the relative strengths of each, position group it would be something, like quarterback, running back, tight end receiver or WOULD you i go, wide receiver tight, right receiver?

Tight, end okay but those are the, bottom two yes, for sure fits same order basically the order WE WINNING, qb rb, wide receiver, tight, end, yes, yes okay and then and, then OVERALL like i didn't ask you guys to do this ahead, of Time but i'm going to make you do, it anyway all positions.

Combined overall if you had to assign a grade right now to how you view the strength of, the class, you know twenty twenty four, Was awesome that was An a, you know this year could put whatever you.

Want it what would twenty twenty six be if you had to give a grade right now just projecting out what it'll, looked like you know a few months.

From Now fits i'm gonna start low and go See.

See, OKAY Bogman, C plus, i agree, it's uh there's some, weaknesses HERE but i do think some of these guys, will rise but we're going to get the fall off on a lot of them.

As well so.

Then let me ask you this in a.

General sense obviously everything is contextual and specific to the individual player and the managers involved.

At all that if we're calling THIS a C or, c plus are you, going to, you know be noticeably less aggressive in trying to trade for these picks or noticeably, More aggressive bogman in trading away?

These picks if you're a contender, this season.

TRADING for i.

Will be noticeably less aggressive.

TRADING away i, don't think, you know because the picks are still shrouded in mystery and people, don't know so they still hold more people like the the, you know chance to make their own mistake instead of having the mistake they have on their roster right now or whatever, it is or the other mistakes that.

They MADE so i think that trading them away they still.

Hold value trading, For them i'm, less INCLINED but i think twenty six and twenty seven have a pretty similar, Value today and that's crazy because you have to wait two years for.

Twenty seven so it should be the next upcoming class should hold way.

More weight it just doesn't right now because we just.

DON'T know i do think there are gonna be, some separation but we don't have it.

Right, now fitz what do you think kind of the same question just about, in general how you're approaching approaching trading both for and away draft picks in.

This class i'm not necessarily disinterested in acquiring twenty twenty six.

Draft picks there are guys we're gonna want a draft, next spring there's no question.

About that but, you Know like, BOGG said, i mean, he said the value of twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven rookies is, pretty similar even though the twenty twenty six guys are gonna give you an extra year of.

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Slash Premium, all, RIGHT guys i do want to kind of, wrap up like our sort of summer coverage with some final thoughts on the twenty twenty five.

Rookie class this can be really whatever direction we want to, take it just kind of a.

Short conversation it can be sort of like an overall takeaway on the eve of.

The season it can be a player that you've changed your opinion on most, this summer something you felt like we learned this summer about the class as, a whole or an.

Individual player any macro or micro level thought on the.

Class fits i'll start.

With, you yeah it's always interesting to see the guys who you know over span of just a few months shoot up.

In value guys who were not being taken in rookie drafts are being taken at the very end of rookie drafts who skyrocket and Obviously Jacry krofsky merritt comes, to mind a guy who probably would have been a high second or maybe even late first, round pick even in super.

FLEX drafts i think this year had those drafts been held In mid august instead Of.

Mid may And Like, jack besh a guy some people were pretty excited about who has been apparently thoroughly Outplayed By, dante thornton of fellow rookie drafted later With.

The raiders And now besh is kind of a, guy who, YOU know i don't know If any dynasty managers actually, cut him they've got roster cutdowns before the start of, the season but so it's been kind of interesting to.

See, that yeah that's what kind of comes to mind for me off the top of.

MY head, i also didn't you know prep you beforehand to, Do THIS but i want to see if you can remember back to going into, let's say Like, early january what you kind of thought about, this class if you had like a grade in mind, for it versus how you agrade, it now do you think the twenty twenty five class as a Whole between january and now has risen in your estimation or fallen in?

YOUR estimation i think probably about.

The SAME and i would have given it a pretty solid grade because of the running, Back CALIBER like i would have gone A minus b.

Plus and still ABOUT an A minus p, Plus, NOW.

Yeah i Think so I'D go.

B, Plus.

Okay bobby what?

About you what's what's kind of changed?

For you what are some overall thoughts in?

The?

CLASS yeah I mean i think the running backs, remain, Strong right like that was what.

WE wanted i think some of these wide receivers rates to.

The top obviously teed the huge boost moving through the combine in the process being a high pick and putting it on in camp and in preseason has been outstanding TO Watch t hunter getting a little more clarity on his role and obviously Going to jacksonville where they want to, Sell jerseys he's going to be an, offensive player so we, like that so we gained a little.

BOOST there i wish we would have seen More From bill krosky merrit at the, collegiate.

Level right we didn't get to see him play too Much In alabama State Or.

New mexico we weren't, watching then and then he gets one game With the wildcats and then they bounced him like that was, their whole, you know plan for the run game.

Last YEAR so i wish we would have known more about him.

Coming in but obviously him rising to the top.

Is good disappointed in Guys Like kyle Williams And jack besh you know that really have.

Slid off tight end class is really.

Good, HERE like i don't KNOW that i changed my opinion so much about the.

Class overarching i'm.

WITH fits i probably would have given it like A low A or b plus and that's where it has stayed right now.

As well but it is interesting that some of these, names raised, you know in camp and all, that stuff and some of.

Them Lowered kyle williams has to be one of the bigger disappointments that on the.

Field Disappointments obviously judkins your biggest disappointment because who the hell knows what's going on.

With him, but yeah it's still a very good class to strengthens and, running backs and we saw some wide receivers come out of it, as well a couple studs at tight end likely.

As WELL so i still like this class a lot from the Twenty four.

It's interesting fits that we're talking about this class as either maintaining what we thought, about it if not maybe looking even a little bit better without Getting like bogman kind of mentioned some Clarity On, travis hunter there's still not like true like, Certainty THERE like i don't want to see it in an actual GAME before i feel confident in saying like what this is going to.

Look like if he really is what it has has, looked like it's going in that direction in terms of being an offensive, first player and he is as good as everybody thought, he is that would like change the star power of, THE class i think, a lot because right now it's really reliant on the running backs and on the helium of.

The receiver his.

Guys like teot macmillan And A meca guka And Even matthew golden have all kind of like Risen throughout august in terms of, The rankings like you just Look at.

Redraft, rankings Frankly if hunter is, also, like oh this is one of those like he was a top ten pick end is playing that way as, a receiver that adds a whole new level.

To, IT yes i agree, with that and, YOU know i still feel like that could go a bunch of.

Different ways but, you know now we're seeing that he's probably going to get most of the slot snaps For, the jaguars and like the slot Role For.

LIAM cohen, i mean We Saw chris godwin just going.

BONKERS early i think once per game he was.

Number one he was he was number ONE in ppr points per game before he, got hurt so and that was a good chunk of.

The season that was six or.

Seven weeks, so Yeah And travis, hunter MAYBE like, i know the route running has looked a little rough in some of the cutups we've seen from like training camp and stuff, like that but maybe that's a little less essential for a, slot receiver a little easier to.

Get, open, like yeah this could be really exciting if he does get that slot usage and smash.

RIGHT away i, don't wanna, you know just be the guy who's like super optimistic, and, says oh everything's gonna work out and the best case scenario is gonna hit for all.

These guys there is a world where we're sitting here at the end of the season and, we're saying like this class had Like cam ward was actually deserving of being a number, one pick and is like a Top fifteen dynasty quarterback where there's two, you know wide receiver one dynasty types in McMillan.

AND hunter i think that's on the table where there's two top five, tight ends which is borderline how we're already ranking them in dynasty Rankings in Warren.

And loveland and, then oh by, the way the strength of the class isn't even.

Mentioned yet it's the depth and star power of running backs where we might have THE new rb One in dynasty possibly, you know, in genty and, you know all this crazy depth and even the depth beyond those top six guys that were really clear during rookie, draft season but, you know all these guys that, we LIKED Like dj giddens and, you KNOW just, I mean i'm not gonna name all, of it but like there's a lot of names like, that too.

YOU know, i mean there is there is opportunity for this chance for this class to really boom and move up TO an.

A plus i think it's probably gonna stick IT to.

B plus i think we're gonna have just as many failures as successes as we.

Typically do but you're, Right, worm like there's a lot of room for growth for the twenty, five CLASS which i call twenty four a couple of minutes ago reason.

Just looking at twenty.

Four stats THAT'S why.

I think, for Me what i'm most excited about with watching play out for the class this year is actually the receivers, Because like i'm PRETTY confident i know what the running backs are going, To, look like, you know the, Quarterback class it's hard to really call it a class because it's Mainly just Ward Like, JACKSON dart, i Know like debro is really high on like you Just, Mentioned millroe, like, like yes there's, stuff there but it's.

IT'S large a lot of that burden is falling To cam ward at Least until shadora ever gets a starting opportunity and the.

Tight, ends, again like similar to, Running backs i'm reasonably sure what to expect with those guys at.

The top the depth is actually really, interesting, too though like the Guys like Ferguson and Arroyo and Fannin and taylor and like there's a lot of rookie tight ends beyond This is stop two that are.

Really INTERESTING but i am just so Excited to i'm planting my Flag On.

TETOROA macmillan i am over the moon About A.

MECCA buca I Think matthew golden has impressed me MORE than i expected him to.

This, SUMMER like i just think the receiver class could really elevate in a way that is very exciting, to me in a WAY that I feel i'm already excited about all the other positions the.

Receiver class i'm like really curiously excited to see like what.

Could, come yeah can we Talk About Jack Cory krossky merritt for.

A second LET me i want to, ask, you guys a couple of either Ors with krosskey merrit right Now, in dynasty would you Rather Have Ja Cory krosskey Merrit Or Quinn Shawn?

Judkins?

Judkins still, FOR.

Me i would Rather Have krassky, Merritt ACTUALLY but i Was always judkins was always THE guy i was lowest on relative to CONSENSUS because i Really Loved, Dylan samson like there was just like a, lot there even before the off field Stuff that i'm willing, to, say, like hey if he's a starter AND what i think is gonna be really good, Offense Here like i'll give the Nod to krossky Merrit because judkins hasn't done anything, this summer obviously to to go, Against THAT but i wouldn't argue strongly against anybody Who says judkins, all right.

One More To cory krossky Merit Or, Cam, Scattaboo cam I'll.

Go scataboo i'll stick with Our.

Guy, bogs okay so.

That one i'm back where when you, go fits, hold on?

Hold on we didn't get was quiet.

Right there I've got bill ranked Ahead of scataboo right now, and rules but, IT'S close.

I assume not ranked Ahead.

Of judkins, Uh correct I've got i've got them all three in.

A, row.

Basically what do we Think?

About?

Judkins QUICK because i actually do, Think it like we spend so much of the saying, like, like oh obviously the off, field stuff, YadA YadA that is like a relevant part of.

This equation there is a running back in this backfield that we liked in the pre.

Draft process he hasn't done anything, this summer and oftentimes rookies like when you start kind of the train has left the station and you kind of can have a lost, Rookie year like are we thinking about moving him down.

More, considerably bogman a Guy, like judkins.

NOT really i mean he's, TO me i think he gets six games at, some point signs his deal.

AND goes i think that's what it's going.

To be so no idea what the process looks like really at, this point because he, hasn't signed they're talking about him trying to get back into college football like it's all a bunch of nonsense.

Right NOW but, i think just Like The rashi, rice STUFF the nfl just drags his crap out and then it's six games and, he SIGNS and i think he's the best back on that roster.

Still, fits yeah that's.

THE thing, i mean we've kind of been a lot of people have been burying him after all, of this but like the minute, HE signs i don't want to get in a point with my rankings, where, Like oh i'm dropping him because he's still on sign like, way down and then the minute, HE signs i have to move him way, back up like we know he's going to.

Sign eventually and let's not Forget The cleveland browns actually decided to Draft Quinch on Judkins Before traveon henderson, was drafted which really surprised me at, the TIME but i think it Was the browns saying that They saw judkins as a potential Workhorse and henderson probably just always as a guy who was going to have to have a tag team partner in.

The backfield, of course Then the browns went And Drafted dylan sampton two, rounds later so it just kind of shows what ORGANIZATION where i was, GONNA.

Say i don't KNOW that i want to give him Be THE browns, i, know well but what is clear is they want to run the.

Ball right they passed more than anybody else IN the nfl.

Last season dromeford is not the guy of.

The.

Future clearly when you draft two, running backs you don't believe in the guy that led your team.

Last year so they want two running backs to, you know run the ball, way More and judkins is going to be at the forefront, of It with samson being.

The be that is what the draft stock.

Tells, us now that's not always the way.

It works when you get on the field and, You know judkins is Way behind, samson now and if he shows us anything early That that i'm more worried about really than the, initial suspension Because like, fitz said once, he signs everybody that blowered him is going to move him way up because he's on, the team just like we all Did With.

Isaiah Bond Like isaiah bond had weigh really, bad allegations so obviously no one wanted to rank him until.

He signed but when that, got tossed he signed immediately and everyone put him in.

Their Rankings so fitz, IS right i think we're Waiting on we're just waiting on news at.

This Point, WITH judkins.

I say to, be clear me being down on him is Not because i'm worried about.

The suspension it's just because all of it has put him behind the.

Eight ball you didn't like him in.

The first and You, like sampson and he's yes in camping, Way ahead so there's more than enough reasonable Suspicion.

Of Judkins stock.

It's also like a bad offense and like there's no garants did they solve quarterback?

Next year AND like i and not, A franchise i want to give the benefit of the, Doubt too so like even Even if judkins was clearly Ahead of sampson and didn't have this, Offield stuff i'd still be, like, hesitant, Right, sorry fitz you were about to.

SAY something i was just, Gonna Say, isaiah bond where should he be in this class relative to some of the other.

ROOKIE receivers i assume he's still Below Like jayden Higgins And, trey harris but he's he on par with Guys Like jalen Knowle And tory Horton And.

Kyle williams.

I'd Rather, have horton but JUST because i think he's gonna have a real Opportunity.

In SEATTLE actually.

I HAVE so I have bond at like Right behind Royals And bryant Ama Or Tesla noel williams, BETCH like i have him behind that group because he got in behind there is.

AMPLE opportunity i think he could easily, move up but he definitely Stays.

Behind higgins like if you want to put him in There With trey, harris EVENTUALLY that's i think that's like, his, Speak, Right.

Yeah I've still i've got Him behind Horton and i've got Him, Behind noel Like no knowle's a, Freak MAN like i don't WANT to i want to give that guy some.

Some room.

By, the way because you Mentioned, him tesla another guy who could rise.

This year such a, good preseason such a, good preseason.

Like highlight real stuff.

Every week Let's get jamison out.

Of there and Unlike, the Browns the lions are a team that when they do, Something surprising.

I'm more willing to give them the benefit of the.

Drafting doubt and they spent three third round picks to get.

This guy it's a weird move at, the time But Like brad hull knows what.

He's, Doing, man.

Yeah, all right let's put a bow ON in r twenty twenty five conversation with this each of you give me, the player like it doesn't have to be like the best player.

At cost it doesn't have to be just the pure best Player or i'll.

Take gent but just like your guy in this class that, you were, Just like i'm excited to.

WATCH him i think he's going to.

Be great LIKE if i could put my name on one player from, this class just considering all, of, it, ability opportunity adp all, of it who's like, Your guy Bogman.

CAM ward i really like.

This class there's a lot.

To, like Obviously cam skataboo is one of my guys.

As well it's hard not to say him people are tired of hearing me talk.

ABOUT him i.

Get it, i'll Stop but i'll Say cam ward like the work ethic this.

DUDE has i feel like the ability that this.

Dude has he's one of the most underrated first overall picks in the history OF.

The nfl just barely.

Talked about did we talk about shador more than we talk About?

Cam WARD and i just think that he is going to raise this.

ENTIRE offense i think that defense is.

VERY bad i think he's like he's a Version Of bryce young that can throw the ball deep and run and we're not talking about him, at all and the defense is Bad, In tennessee like he should have to throw the ball a bunch.

This year So, CAM worton, i think is the GUY that i just think hits no.

Matter what it would have been disingenuous if you didn't at Least, mention scataboo but it would direction Almost A matthew gold yeahman.

O MAN so ma need to.

Choose From like i'm, gonna say my runner Up Is, tyler warren and he's THE guy i.

Thought you were going To say warren as.

Your, pick, ACTUALLY.

Dude i, had him, YOU KNOW i i.

Won money he's Saying That colston loveland would be drafted, before him And had loveland ranked ahead of him in the pre draft process and post draft, and NOW like I just I'm seeing warren's final Year At penn state translate to, the CULTS like i think he's going to be just great From, The, john like this guy's a different kind.

Of Cat but i'm going to say A, mechag buca and he's a guy that people unanimously loved when he was meeting with teams At The senior bowl and At, the combine everyone.

Liked it like everyone thinks he's a.

Great kid and then he gets drafted earlier than we expected.

Him to we thought he was kind of like bubble, first round, second round and Like the buccaneers drafted him very aggressively even though they had a lot of bodies in their wide receiver.

Room already and now, you know with help from injuriated Stuff with godwin, and McMillan like he's going to play a lot right away and could Potentially SMASH and i think THE thing i Love, about igbuca you know, he versatility can be, a slot can.

Be asy he Produced At ohio state while playing with other great receivers the entire time he, was there well maybe not his very, first year but like he was playing with some OTHER terrific nfl prospects, Produced anyway and so that reassures me that no matter, his situation even if he isn't a crowded wide, receiver room he can.

STILL pop i Love.

A guka he would have been my runner up for.

THIS pick i know this is a guy who like went high in, rookie DRAFTS but i just cannot stop Thinking about teo McMillan and his Fit, in CAROLINA and.

I thought that's.

Who fits that's that's my easy.

PICK here i would have pivoted To it buka if fits.

Had, TAKEN yeah, I mean i just like every, single thing like if he has a, HEALTHY season i don't understand how he's going to be outside the top fifteen at.

The position and not a wrong, answer here he's A good I just i just think he's gonna be a top ten dynasty.

Wide receiver none of.

Us said gent.

Who is clearly it is.

Too obvious it feels.

Too obvious it feels like he doesn't.

Even COUNT but, i mean we is the guy.

FITS and i taped an episode is coming Out On.

LABOR day i believe of our biggest questions for THE twenty swive season It's The, redraft show Not At, dynasty show but we taped That With deebro and the FINAL question i, asked was who is the player that's going to define the season The Way jamar chase did And And sequon barklay a.

Year Ago and, Deebro said, teto, McMillan like even as he's like he thinks he's going, to do this will be a, guy that, like everybody will look back at the season, AND say i can't believe he's fell as far as.

He did this is a guy you needed to draft.

THIS year i am in total agreement.

With, that again it's a class that there's a lot of names that you could have picked and liked, a lot and you guys picked some of.

Those NAMES but I just i just cannot stop Reaching on.

TETRO McMillan I just i'm over.

The moon it's.

Such a fun rookie class and we are finally about to see these guys PLAY in.

Nfl games it Feels.

Like.

Christmas, eve yes very.

Very excitedly the anticipation will only grow here in the.

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