Episode Transcript
Hello, everybody.
Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast.
I'm Ryan Warmley, joined as always by Scott Bogman and by Pat Fitzmore as Fellas.
We're talking some key questions for the twenty twenty five season from the Dynasty perspective.
This is one of my favorite shows too.
It's very similar to a show that fits and I do with Debro on Fridays every week in season.
I hope everybody checks that out.
That's one is not a Dynasty, that's kind of a weekly preview.
But I have said before I kind of see my role on the show, like, obviously I have my own thoughts and opinions, and I'd love to talk about the Ravens and all that good stuff.
But I see my role mainly as to get the opportunity to ask you guys, the questions that I think our audience would want to ask if they were so lucky to be in a conversation with people like the two of you.
So I like to take this episode it's our ten biggest Dynasty questions ahead of the season, and try to ask the questions that I think are on the minds of our listeners, the questions that they would want to hear a conversation about that.
They would want to have a conversation about with you guys if they had the opportunity.
So that's kind of my approach is coming up with these questions.
Some of them are more player specific, a lot of them are more macro level, like about a position or about you know, rookies in general, or what have you.
So hopefully we'll have a pretty good mix year and we'll hit on some topics that the folks find pretty interesting.
Speaker 2That sound good, Bogman, sounds great, Man, I'm ready to go.
Let's rock.
Speaker 1Well, go ahead, and divan.
I do actually ask quickly though, before I forget fits.
I think this is the first time I have talked to you since the expo.
Speaker 3How was it?
It was great?
Speaker 4Hold on wre I just can't get past the phrase people if they were lucky enough to get into a conversation with me.
Most people who do get into a conversation with me are like looking around for the exit door.
Speaker 1So I'm sure that wasn't the case in Canton.
I'm sure you had a lot of fun conversations with the folks who were thrilled to talk.
Speaker 4Oh, there were some fun conversations a bunch of them at George's pob of course, No Canton is always a blast.
The Fantasy Football Acts bout Bob Long does such a good job of putting that together, and it's always great to meet up with so many old friends, meet new friends, meet fans who are just going there to like shoot the breeze and like talk to you fantasy analysts about fantasy football.
It's really fun.
And you know, my voice was hoarse by the end of it.
I was exhausted from not enough sleep.
It was a good time.
Speaker 1I could still hear it a bit in the voice.
Honestly, obviously your your full to a show.
But yeah, yeah, so yeah, you're probably horse from like you know, you're wearing the Milwaukee hat, just from celebrating the Brewers never losing a game anymore.
Speaker 3Unbelievable they were.
Speaker 4They were twenty five and twenty eight at one point in late May, and since then they've won seventy seven percent of their games over a two and a half month period.
It's just pinch me, I'm dreaming.
Speaker 1Yeah, all right, Well, just a quick remind for everybody that all of our twenty twenty five consensus rankings and tiers can be found at fantasypros dot com slash rankings.
From there you can navigate to our dynasty rankings as well.
Let's go start with our first question here.
I want to ask you guys, kind of from the perspective of a team, not a player, which NFL team situation is going to drastically improve this season bringing up the dynasty values of everyone on the offense.
I think of examples in the past like, oh, the Texans terrible landing spot.
Speaker 3CJ.
Speaker 1Stroud made that into a good landing spot for receivers.
So situations like that, Bogwan when you read this question, who's the first NFL team that comes to mind?
Speaker 2The Titans are the first one that comes to my mind for fantasy right, And it's just cam Ward is such a better quarterback than any of the mess that they had there last season.
It was a lot of Will Levis making massive mistakes, Mason Rudolph being you know, for the world, Mason Rudolph is a very good quarterback for the NFL, it's below average, so you know, they just didn't have a quarterback to raise all boats on this ocean of the offense.
So we've seen improvements to the old line.
You know, the biggest improvement is putting a functional NFL level quarterback in this offense with Brian Callahan, the same offense that you know.
Obviously the talents on the field, but Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase were made famous in right Like, I think the system is there now.
They have a solid quarterback and wide receiver that matches up with them very well, and Calvin Ridley specifically on the deep ball.
So I just think this whole offense should get better from cam Ward improving everyone fits.
Speaker 1What do you think about that?
And is that a team that you were considering as well?
It is?
Speaker 4And the other thing I like about Tennessee, I think they're poised for success with their offensive line, which was they had a lot of injury issues last year and now they're healthier and they've also added what Dan Moore and Kevin Zeitler, so like that that could be like a top five offensive line, which would bode pretty well for cam Ward, Tony Pollard, maybe some of these other guys.
What we really need for Bogwin's answer to be good, I think would be like one of these pass catchers to step out of the fog because it's pretty murky.
But beyond and Calvin Ridley, You guys know, I'm a big like I aman or fan who knows maybe Chicon kon Quo, maybe DK.
Like if a couple of those guys stepped up and all of a sudden became useful dynasty assets rather than bottom of the roster guys like that would be that would be big.
Speaker 1Do you almost like, like, obviously that would be good for just having more options fits.
But from the perspective of somebody who has been very invested in Calvin Ridley, do you almost like maybe not want that to happen, Like I just want as much of a you know, clear runway frame as possible selfishly?
Speaker 3Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2Do we want him to have the neighbors year, you know, one hundred and seventy targets, that's what we want for Ridley?
Speaker 3Yeah?
Speaker 1Is there one guy in this offense, Boggman, that you think like between this time, like between now and this time next year will rise the most in dynasty value?
Speaker 2I think a manor has the highest the ability to raise higher to anybody else because Ridley's already pretty high, right.
I Paullard is an old running back.
I don't think he's getting much higher.
I think Helm has a lot of runway to improve.
A Conquo has a lot of runway to improve in in am Manor has the most runway to make a big jump and become an asset.
Right now, they're just kind of guys on the outside looking in from holding value.
I think they could hold value if Ward makes them valuable, just like he did with Trepo last year and got Eli Royo to a draftable level as well, So he can definitely raise some of those guys.
Speaker 1Fitz, he's your pick here.
Speaker 3Yeah, this was just such a good question.
Speaker 4Every time I think of a team, I initially think it was a great answer, and then I think about it and yeah, maybe not.
But I kind of settled on Denver really good offensive line, a lot of a lot of young players with room for dynasty value growth.
Speaker 3Bo Nix, who.
Speaker 4Could kind of I know people aren't low on him necessarily in Dynasty, but I think he could sort of validate it's the good feelings that people have after his rookie season, maybe take his value up another notch.
Speaker 3RJ.
Speaker 4Harvey could certainly be considered a top ten Dynasty running back if he catches a lot of passes this year and gives us some rushing upside.
Marvin Mims, who Bogs and I were talking about this on our Dynasty Discord show the other night.
Like him playing sixteen of the nineteen snaps with bow Knicks and leaving the game at the same time as Bonnicks, was really interesting because that suggests Mims is going to be a full time guy this year.
Speaker 2And I mean, you win that one.
Speaker 3Here's a guy who down the.
Speaker 4Stretch last year was like averaging a touchdown a game and sixty two yards a game, playing less than half the offensive snaps in all those games like he was, His fantasy points per snap were insane.
So he's a guy who could gain a lot of value this year.
And maybe Pat Bryant too, a rookie who I think people are just sort of, you know, waiting to see what he does before, Like no one's clamoring for Pat Bryant.
You could usually get him in the fourth round of rookie drafts, but maybe he could move into the top forty or fifty for next.
Speaker 1Year, Bogman, would Mims be like the guy for you in this offense if you're picking somebody to think that you think would take his big step forward this year.
Speaker 2Yes, I still think.
I still really like Pat Bryant, so I think long term, Pat Bryan is a guy that I really like.
But Marvin Mims to exactly what fits you said sixteen to nineteen snaps.
Unless in week two they take Mems off the field and they do it like a quarterback and now Pat Bryant is starting with bo Nix instead, which would be weird, but it's pretty telling even from week one of the preseason.
Speaker 1I want to hear some honoroll mentions from you, Bogman, but I do want to throw like I'm not going to have picks for all these questions, but I was thinking about a team in mind when I put this question together, and now that you guys picked it, and that's the Patriots.
Just thinking about like the Stroud example of a quarterback coming into a situation that looks really bad and the quarterback himself making that situation look good.
You know, if Drake may is the quarterback that I think he is in year two, then he will somebody is going to benefit in terms of dynasty and twenty twenty five value in that offense.
Maybe it's a veteran like Stefon Diggs having another great year in him.
Maybe it's a rookie like Kyle Williams.
Maybe it's like a forgotten veteran like Damario Douglas.
Like, there are a lot of options.
I think the running backs obviously could benefit, like Trayvon Henderson being the big one and also the play caller.
Like it's a huge upgrade in my opinion, getting Josh McDaniel.
So like I think between the coaching staff and the quarterback, the Patriots were the first team that came to mind for me as one whose situation looks bad right now, like given the offensive line and lack of pass catchers relatively speaking, but I think could look a lot better by the end of the season.
Bogwin, who else were you thinking about?
Speaker 2That's a good call.
I like both those calls, by the way, Denver and New England both teams that I didn't really consider specifically, like for a big jump, I think New England is in for one as well, so that's a good call.
Worm The Jets, Bears, and Jags are the ones that I also considered, because for the Jags and Bears, it's mainly just like, let's just figure out this coaching.
You know, Liam Cohen going into Jacksonville, who saw what he did for Baker last year That was huge for Chicago.
Obviously iberflus was a massive issue and what no one was helping Caleb Williams become the best version of himself.
Now they have that, So I think we could see massive improvements just from a coaching standpoint there.
And with the Jets, it's just it was a damn soap opera disaster nightmare there last season.
So you should just see a big improvement no matter what.
And I think, you know, maybe the offense isn't great, but it will be more consistent this year with justin fields and just you know, a better semblance from the top down of from an organizational standpoint.
Speaker 1Next question here more of an assignment than a question fits.
I'll start with you on this one.
Lay out your ideal quarterback room coming out of a super flex startup draft, taking into consideration costs in ADP of course, so you can't just say I want Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and Jade Daniels, right, So in a super flex startup draft, what is your ideal quarterback room considering cost.
Speaker 4All right, here's a reasonably priced trio that I would be delighted with.
Speaker 3Drake May, Jordan Love, Michael Pennox.
Speaker 1And what are the rounds you're getting those guys in?
Just for the listeners, who aren't you know looking at the ADP right now.
Speaker 4Well, I mean, I assume that I'm getting Drake May in the second round and probably Love in third, maybe fourth, probably third, I guess.
And I think you could probably get Panix like in the sixth in a startup, maybe seventh, So you know, nailed down the quarterback room in the first seven rounds, and you know, do it without getting a quarterback in the first round.
So I know I've got like at least one non quarterback superstar.
Speaker 3I'd be pretty happy about that.
Speaker 4And I would think I'd be set with my quarterback room for next two or three years at least.
Speaker 1Yeah, getting three quarterbacks with youth and talent and upside without having to spend that first round pick, because then you can get a Jamar Chase or if you want to go to the running back, take a Bijon or somebody like that, brock Bowers if it's side of Bremium to get to get three really good quarterbacks without having to take one of the first obviously, is like, I think that's a huge win, Bognan.
Speaker 2What do you think for me, I'm going upper tier.
I want a top five pick, so I want one of those qbs, one of those top five qbs the top three, and then Herds for Burrow.
Then I want Caleb Williams in the second Right now, I believe he's ADP's around twenty two, so you could get him even if you're at twenty twenty four.
You know that last pick, and in twelve man in the second round, you could probably still get him in some spots there.
And then I have I'll do one of two answers for the third one.
Obviously, I just talked about how much I like him Ward, but I also still am holding a handle for Richardson a little bit, just because the upside is still enormous and he's a first round pick.
He's going to get a longer look, even a different team, just like we saw Donald and Fields.
Right, So that is my grouping, but I will, just for the sake of having to narrow it down, I'll cut a rich and I'll say it's Ward.
So for me, it would be like, you know, Lamar williams Ward in a super flex, I am spending my initial picks on the qbs because it's so hard to acquire them later.
Specifically, if your team is good, I.
Speaker 1Want to follow up.
Both of you picked three names, which is what I expected.
That's kind of my thought too.
Do you guys give any consideration to, hey, if it's in a superflex?
Again, these guys are never easier to acquire than in a super flex.
We might be wrong on some of these guys.
Injuries could happen.
Do you give any thought to picking a fourth name and saying like I want to take another swing later, even if it's like a Jalen Milroe, or saying he shook is better than we thought, you know, just just one of these later round guys fits.
Was there any consideration to throwing a fourth name out there?
Or are you saying like I got my three, let me just take swings at receiver and everywhere else.
Speaker 4Oh no, I'm always gonna as long as we have you know, twenty eight or thirty roster spots like you get in a typical dynasty league.
Yeah, I'm gonna throw some darts at the Joe Miltons of the World and jam Milrose.
Yeah, I do want one or two of those guys on my team, ideally, sometimes even worse than that.
I'll I've been known to carry around to Drew lock type as my fifth quarterback, so I'm not proud of it at all.
Speaker 2Yeah, cuffing in a super flex is it?
Really?
Because you know, let's just say Sam Darnold goes down, Drew Locke is going to get the most fab money that week even though he sucks, because he's a quarterback that starts right like, They're not gonna go straight to mill Roe, so it's gonna be Drew Locke.
Uh I, I don't I don't hate if you're drafting Caleb Williams.
Beijen has looked good and I like him, So I don't mind handcuffing the quarterback, can you when you have spots.
Speaker 4Or I got like Josh Dobbs, Like if you've got Drake May and Josh Dobbs is a guy who's actually put up some Fantasy points in games he's been forced to start, So I don't hate that.
Speaker 2What about if you have MacArthur, you're gonna you're gonna take howl.
No, I just love to hear fitz hat on Sam.
Speaker 3And this Max Brosmer kid is better than.
Speaker 2Howl Minnesota Zone.
Speaker 1Yeah, if it's the last question on this, because you didn't take a quarterback in the first Let's say if instead of Love, you took like I don't know, Josh Allen or somebody like you got like one of those elite guys at the top the first, and then you got May in the second.
Instead of taking Pennix for your third guy, would you be more willing to say, like, I'll wait till be like the last guy to take one of these starting quarterbacks because I've got too that I feel really good about.
Because you kind of wait three like all in the first six rounds.
If two of them were in your first two picks, would you maybe wait longer on that third one or would you still want that third one to be, like, you know, one of the top eighty or so picks.
Speaker 4Yeah, I mean, like if you wait too long your your third guys like Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson, someone whose career as a starter is coming to an end pretty quickly, so.
Speaker 3Like I'd still try to get that.
Speaker 4Young guy like Pannix you could have for a long time, or you know, like have a lot of trade leverage with.
Speaker 2Yeah, if you trade away a quarterback and in a super flex, you almost always win that deal.
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Let's get a question number three here, Guys, who are the aging veterans that rebuilders should trade away but might have at least one great season left in them for contenders.
Bogman, you are a guy who likes the win now approach.
You like the veterans so I'll start with you here.
Speaker 2I got a big list.
Obviously, I think Derek, Henry, Tarik Kill, Mike Evans.
These guys are freaks, right.
I think obviously those guys they could it could be beyond this year, we don't know.
So outside of that, it's Kamara Connor.
I think James Connor, DeVante Adams, Shacobe Myers, Travis Kelsey, zach Ertz.
Those are the guys that I think have one more year and then you are really leaning into falling knife and wanting to get out from under them after this season.
Maybe Fits even disagrees.
Maybe there's some guys that you just kind of are out on because of their age.
Fits he is famously an agist for Dynah as we know.
But when it comes to these guys being able to help you win, they all can help you win this season.
So if you're on the CUSP and it's costing you a late pick, you know, it's simply the math of this player is more valuable to me than he is to you.
So it just makes sense that we have this exchange, right.
So yeah, I think that is my group.
The top four being kind of obvious, and I'm just unwavering until they actually show signs of slowing down.
The other ones, I'd be willing to get out from under pretty quickly, specifically if I'm not contending, but again in a lot of leagues I'm contending, I'm trying to roster these guys because they're cheaper than they should be fits.
Speaker 1Were there any overlap with the picks you had with any of the names that bog me throughout a.
Speaker 4Lot of overlap, But I could add four more guys who I think follow Yeah, I agree, Christian McCaffrey.
I don't think he does a rebuilder much good, but he has immense value to contending team because look, if he's healthy, he always smashes Aaron Jones to a lesser extent I think falls into that category.
And I think Jones is still going to be good.
I know people are saying that Aaron Jones Jordan Mason thing is going to be a timeshare.
Fine, Mason doesn't catch passes and Aaron Jones does.
Like, that's where the value is going to be for Aaron Jones, especially in Dynasty, because Dynasty is usually PPR.
And then I put Stefan Diggs and Matthew Stafford in that category as well.
Speaker 1Are there any of these guys?
Well, I mean, I'm sure there are.
Who of these guys?
Would you be willing to give up a twenty twenty six first if you're a contender to get like McCaffrey obviously very high ceiling with the injury history, willing to give up at first like or any of these other names, you would you would go that extreme as a contender and getting one of these guys.
Speaker 4Yeah, maybe like McCaffrey Henry level.
Because if you're getting these guys, presumably you are going to finish top two or top three in that first and twenty twenty six is going to be one ten, one eleven, one twelve, So I think I might be okay to sell my soul for Rock and roll in that case.
Speaker 2What about Evans?
You doing for Mike Evans?
Speaker 3Not a first?
Speaker 2No, I would still do it first for Mike Evins.
Speaker 1Because you do think these are likely to be late first, which does matter?
Speaker 2Yeah?
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1All right, let's look at some backfields here, which running back will end up being the correct answer in Dynasty.
In the following backfields, we're gonna talk about Jaguars, Giants, Steelers and Jets.
Let's take these one at a time.
We'll start with the Jaguars fits which running back will end up being the quote unquote correct answer in Dynasty out of Jacksonville.
Speaker 3I'm gonna say Baseial Tutin.
Speaker 4It's not Tank Bigsby, simply because he doesn't catch passes.
Speaker 3And I don't I know.
Speaker 4I just think it's gonna be too easy for the Jags to get off Etn, this being the final year of his contract, and eventually kind of shift to Tuton as their primary passing down back who also gets some more early downs.
Speaker 1Bagman.
Speaker 2I think it's Travis Etn.
But I think the real answer is probably none of the above.
Out of this group, maybe it's Tutin, Maybe it's Etn.
There's been trade rumors with Tank Bigsby, a lot of Dallas chatter, right, Maybe they're looking for another back, another power back, but Tutan's probably the best swing.
I think Travis Etn is the best player, but he just hasn't put it together.
But I honestly think all these guys are working their ways outside of Tuton to becoming Jags.
Tooton, I just have no idea.
But then that's just a guy.
Not Jaguars, by the way, Jags, So I think they're just going None of these dudes is going to advance himself to a level that they cannot be immediately replaced by a high draft pick.
And Jeremiah Love, Nick Singleton and k Tron Allen.
Speaker 1So I was gonna ask, do you do you think the Jags are really any of these teams that we're talking about are good candidates for like spending a Day two pick on a running back next year.
Speaker 2I don't think one of them I would disagree with that.
The rest of them all could.
Speaker 1Okay, how about the Giants, Bog Gonna start with you on this one, because they have your favorite player in the entire NFL who winds up being the correct answer in dynasty for New York.
Speaker 2It's still Skataboo to me, and I like the fact.
I don't like the fact that he's hurt, but I like the fact that people are burying him because he's gimpy.
Right now, this isn't a season ending injury.
It might be an annoying, nagging injury to Cam Skataboo for his rookie season.
That is a possibility, but I just the dude has carried a large workload before.
I think he is the best in between the tackles guy.
We saw Tyrone Tracy fumble a bunch at the end of last year.
It's gonna start as Tracy.
I think it ends as Skataboo, and I'm not coming off that fits.
Speaker 3I agree with Bogman for pretty much the same reasons.
Speaker 1Yeah, let's go to the Steelers, then, bog when I start with you again, because another one near and dear to your heart, who do you have in this backfield?
Speaker 2It's Caleb.
This is the one scenario where I don't think the Steelers would spend another high draft pick on a running back.
I think if they were going to do that, they would have done it this year with all the good running backs coming out, And they waited till the third to take Camele.
Speaker 1They didn't have a set though, so you.
Speaker 2Know they traded it for DK, that's true, but they could have traded back in like they or they you know that if it was that big a deal, they could have not traded for DK.
So I just I think Caleb is going to be the guy.
I think if they add another piece, it's going to be a late piece.
I just think Caleb is so obviously the guy.
The one thing that worries me is if he is too slow, then it would be that scenario.
But I just don't think he is.
I think he is the guy with a bullet here.
Speaker 3Fitz.
Speaker 4Also, Caleb just, you know, sort a better version of Naji Harris into the Naji Harris role, and that could be really valuable.
Speaker 1Do you think there's any value to Jalen Warren still or are you trying to move off of him?
Speaker 4Then yeah, I mean because he's the pass catching back and we'll get some early down work.
Like he could actually be a pretty useful fantasy asset if he could stay healthy for the whole season.
So there is value to both guys in this offense, which is going to be pretty running back centric.
I mean, look they have they have no receivers after and look it's.
Speaker 2All of offensive lineman.
They've spent the last three seasons rebuilding it and adding Darnell Washington and Pat Fryarmouth.
Like their goal right to run the ball down your throat.
They want to be built like the Ravens and the Eagles.
Speaker 3Right now, it's an Arthur Smith offense.
Speaker 1All right if it's the Jets.
And that would have been a silly question this time of year ago because they had a running back who was going top five in drafts.
But at this point, I think it's a fair question.
Who's the correct answer in Dynasty?
Speaker 4Yeah, I mean, I still think Breess Hall is most valuable, but you could say no one, because I think they are going to all sort of cannibalize each other this year, like I think you're going to.
I wouldn't be surprised if Breishall took a major haircut in his perceived Dynasty value this year.
And I don't know if like Brice Allen or Braylan Allen or Isaiah Davis are getting into the top thirty.
Speaker 1Bagman, what do you think?
Speaker 2I so this is the one where I think we're going to pick the same guy.
But we do disagree because I just think that I think it's all coach speak.
I think once you get I think once you get Breese Hall out there, it's going to be really hard to take him off the field.
So and I understand in the preseason, you know they split those they split it was fifty percent and then a quarter and a quarter.
I do not care FITZI when you have games account, you have games account, and you can't take your best player off the field.
This is why Christian McCaffrey is injury prone now.
It is because they refuse to take them off the field because NFL games are close.
You want your best players on the field when they're close.
And Hall gets more snaps as a consequence.
Speaker 4I feel like, I think, I think Boggs is totally wrong about this.
So like it was something that Aaron Glenn talked about all off season, wanting to use all his backs.
Then the very first game, Justin Field's plays ten snaps.
Breese Hall is only on the field for half of them.
Isa Davis plays three of them.
He's playing on passing downs.
Braylen Allen gets a couple of snaps, Like this is not it just like a random thing.
This is coaches establishing usage patterns that they are going to follow the entire season.
Speaker 3Like it's not nothing.
Speaker 2Yeah, listen, and I don't disagree that that is the intention.
I think that is the intention, But you know, the path the hill is paved in good intentions here.
I think that is what we want to do.
But I think once it comes to executing it, and we've seen it done many times with many running backs.
It just when it comes to crunch time, the best players on the field.
So I could be wrong about this, and I will freely admit that that is one hundred percent.
I could be incorrect, and I will take the l if I am.
I just feel like Breese Hall's way better than Braylan Allen.
He's way better than Isaiah Davis.
He's going to be on the field way more.
I'm willing to make to be mistaken about that.
Speaker 1Fitz, what do you think about the question I asked Bogman about any of these teams you spending an early draft pick next year on a Singleton or a Love or some other running back in this class?
Speaker 3Which teams of these would be.
Speaker 1Most Jagged, Steelers, Jets?
Do any of them stand out of you as candidates to do that?
Speaker 4I mean, probably most likely, I think would be either the Jags or Giants.
Speaker 3Jags because Touton is.
Speaker 4Not a heavy duty guy, and maybe they decide they're not in love with Tank as an early down back, and you know, the Giants are definitely going to be in the market if they can neither trace her nor scatabow Scataboo turns out to be exceptional.
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All right, guys, question number five, Bogman, I'll start with you on this one.
Which highly ranked dynasty wide receiver is going to lose the most value this year for non injury related reasons.
Who's going to lose the most value this year for non injury related reasons?
Speaker 2Bagman, I mean, I'm curious to see whether Fitz and I are going to have the same answer on this one.
And this one is because of news that came out yesterday.
Worm to me, it's for she Rice, and I think people are going to be annoyed that, you know, he plays the first four weeks and then he has his disciplinary hearing with the NFL scheduled on September thirtieth, and then I mean, I think if Jordan Atison got three games for a duy, maybe there's other things surrounding it.
I think where she Rice is looking at an extended suspension into the playoffs, I think you're gonna get the over correction going into next year and we could have a worthy could step up and be huge.
He was at the back end of last season when Rice was out.
Jaylen Royals is another pick that they have that could take a step up as well.
So I to me, it's if we're talking non injury related, like we just can't predict injury it is for she Rice to me.
Speaker 1Yeah, and it's worth noting that this these questions were put together before the latest update on Rice.
You know, I find it just ridiculous that it just still keeps kicking the can down there.
And it's actually nothing to do with the fact that this means he's gonna get to play against the Ravens.
I don't know that he's gonna that great in the first four weeks anyway, coming off the injury.
So I actually don't even really care that much about that from that perspective.
It's just like this incident happened like a year and a half ago or something, like, how are we still pushing back having this hearing.
It's just crazy to me how how much the NFL and all parties involved to kind of drag their feet on this.
But but yeah, Rice obviously has this kind of looming thing going on over his head.
Fits do you think he's a good choice for this question?
Speaker 3I do.
He's my runner up selection Bogs.
Speaker 4I was definitely considering him, you know, and like his ADP and dynasty right now is wide receiver sixteen, which seems a little over inflated to me.
And yeah, the thing I've kept mentioning with him is that when he broke out as a rookie, the other receivers getting a lot of playing time for the Chiefs where marquezvel does scanting justin Watson and sky Moore.
And then last year when Rice got off to the heart hot start, Worthy really hadn't established himself yet.
He hadn't got a foothold in that offense.
Like Worthy is going to command a lot more targets than mvs.
Watson and sky Moore, did you know, Like he is going to be a real problem I think for Rashi Rice and going to maybe keep him from being the target hog he has been early in his career.
Speaker 1There are chance, though, fits before you give your your actual answer and we move off, Rice, is there a chance to like, if Worthy doesn't take like let's just say he ran hot at the end of last season, he doesn't take that step forward this time a year from now, we could be looking at Rashi Rice as a distressed asset that is maybe a very good by low candidate because he will be twenty six years old.
A year from now, he will theoretically no longer have any kind of suspension looming over him.
He'll be another full year removed from this devastating knee injury.
Travis Kelce probably retired, so that role wide open.
If Worthy hasn't taken another step, I think we could be looking at a player who is actually maybe a really interesting buy low.
I'm not sure that I feel very strongly about that stance, But is there a case to make on the other side of that coin.
Speaker 4Yeah, I mean, I guess you could make that case if we don't get the step up for more.
But man, he'd fifty catches over the last eight games playoffs included.
Like it was a pretty sustained period of like really good player from Savior Worthy down the stretch.
So like, based on that, Yes, if Worthy is not that good this year, sure, but I don't know.
Speaker 3I think Worthy's going to be good again this year.
Speaker 2I love that you pointed that out Worm, by the way, because I think what a lot of us do is we we pick a narrative, we think that's gonna be the way it is, and we run with it.
We don't consider the other side, and I think you always need to at least consider the other side, the what if it doesn't go the way I think it's going to.
Like I said with the Bresault thing, like I'm completely willing to be wrong on that.
I just don't think I am, but I could be.
It's the same thing here, like Rashi Rice could absolutely be an undervalued asset next year if Worthy doesn't take that step up Kelsey retires.
There's all kinds of other circumstances.
Now he's two years removed from this ACL injury, right, Like, yes, he absolutely could be worth more, but if we're looking at non injury related stuff, I feel like he's the guy that will lose the most value.
Speaker 1The more we talk about it, the more I feel like if I am a true rebuilder, like I'm not trying to win this year, I actually like the idea of targetting him and just trade form that right when he gets suspended a year from now, right, and then if it doesn't work out, who, Like, you're not expecting anything this year anyway, So I actually kind of think that if you can get him at a discount, I wouldn't pay full price for him, obviously, but in trade trade.
Speaker 2Form when he gets suspended.
I just want to reiterate that, like, once the suspension comes out and the owner is really frustrated because it's probably gonna be more games and people expect, then go get him.
Speaker 1Then all right, fits, who's your actual pick for this one?
Speaker 3It's Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 2I knew it, oh man, I almost guessed it.
I knew you were gonna say Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 4Like, and I still believe in the talent, but I also worry that he and Kyler Murray are just oil and water.
You know, Harrison was great on those inbreaking routes at Ohio State, and Kyler just does not like throwing over the middle.
Speaker 3I hate that.
Speaker 4I hate that the average depth of target for Harrison last year was like thirteen point four yards.
Speaker 3What are you doing?
Speaker 4Cardinals Drew pet saying like he is not a designated lid lifter.
I mean, get this dude some like bubble screens and some easy completions and like stuff over the middle.
You got to make this work with him, And I'm just worried that maybe it doesn't work with him.
And right now, Marvin Harrison Junior's dynasty ADP is wide receiver eleven.
People still think he's going to be a terrific player.
So I do think he has like the most to lose as far as his ADP, because if he has another like eight hundred and something yard season, he's going to go from wide receiver eleven to being somewhere in the twenties next year.
Speaker 1He kind of reminds me of earlier in the career wide receiver version of Trevor Lawrence in that like this year, I'm going into the Jaguars season saying like, like we've seen the kind of like disappointing seasons, He's got to do it this year or I'm just not going to buy in again.
Yeah, it almost feels like an early, an early career version of that where it's only year two, whereas for Lawrence it's year five.
But it does feel like for Harrison it's like, Okay, if he also disappoints this year relative to expectations, you just kind of got to reevaluate where you had him as a prospect coming into the NFL.
So I think it's a good pick, and it's you know, I don't know if it's fair to say like he has like a short release, like again to compare to a guy like Lawrence who's in the year five and we're still like somewhat interesting, or guy like Kyle Pitts, who like you, are still sometimes making the case fits for why it's an interesting dynasty you know asset right now multiple years in.
But at the same time, if you like, I'm pretty much always willing to if it's based on situation, or even if it's not based on situation, but based on most factors, I am almost always willing to write off year one for even the highest strength prospects.
It's year two where I start to say, Okay, this is now a pattern, this is maybe just who this guy is.
So if we get through year two and Harrison is still just like really disappointing, like like touch point for people debating about you know, diynasty value and the way he's begining used in the offense and all the different stuff that comes with the conversation, I think I could see him like people saying no, like we're not going back to this.
Speaker 2Well again, yeah, Fitz, you need your Cardinals hater card.
You're you're officially the Cardinals staer because you don't like Kyler.
You don't like Marvin and you're not the biggest trade Trey McBride fan.
Do you like James Connor?
What do you like about the Cardinals?
Speaker 3Yea, I do well.
I mean Cardinals.
Speaker 4If we're talking to Saint Louis Cardinals, then yeah, I am a Cardinals tater, but no Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 3I'm generally fun.
Speaker 2I don't like the Saint Louis Cardinals either, and you're not fooling anybody.
Speaker 1So well, speaking of tre McBride, let's go to a tight end question here right now, Sam Laporta is the consensus tight end three in Dynasty.
I don't think anybody is going to try and make the case that brock Bauers or Trade McBride is going to get knocked off their purchase tight end one in two barring something really unforeseen this year.
So tight end three is a little bit more interesting.
Obviously, Laporta has been tight end one in Dynasty in the past, had to step back last year.
There's more question marks about the offense again this year.
So I'm going to ask you, guys, we had two really elite tight end prospects coming in.
They're not brock Bauers level but one of these guys went higher in the draft and Bowers did, and they are both still very highly regarded.
So what are the percentage chances, respectively for Tyler Warren or Colston Lovelyt or both to surpass Sam Laporta in Dynasty rankings by the end of this season.
Fits, I'll start with you on this one.
Speaker 4I'll say Tyler Warren fifty percent, Colston Loveland seven twenty five percent.
I just think Loveland too much target competition maybe on the Bears with Romo Dunes, Dj Moore, Luther Burden, and like Cole Kmet is still probably going to get some playing time.
Tyler Warren, I just think like he's going to play a big role right away.
So if the Colts can get even decent quarterback play, I think Warren could be a guy who gets fantasy managers, dynasty managers really excited for the future.
But like Sam Laporta is garbage either, so like he's still gonna have significant value.
I just you know, I like Tyler Warren a lot more more than Colston Loveland for redraft this year, and I'm worried that I'm wrong about that because I know some pretty sharp people in my King's Classics drafts at the Fantasy Football Expo, We're in on Loveland.
So but I just I think Warren has a better chance to pop this year, and I'm starting to think.
Speaker 3The guy is just a beast.
Speaker 4So like before I used to have Loveland higher ranked in my dynasty rankings, Now I think I moved Warren ahead of Loveland, although I consider it just by a razor thin margin.
Speaker 1If I didn't limit it to these high end rookies, if I kind of was saying, pick anybody to be tight end three next year, were there any other names fits before I toss the Bogman that you would have considered, Like, you know, oh, Mark Andrews gets hurt and Isaiah likely becomes the guy we thought, or Tucker Craft actually gets like way better usages this year.
Like, is there anybody that comes to mind and that you know you would make the case for, or is it pretty much like, barring some kind of injury, you think it's going to be one of Laporta, Warren or Loveland in that spot.
Speaker 4I think it's one of these two rookies, but likely or Craft are probably the next best choices.
Speaker 1Bobby, what do you think?
What percentage chance would you give these guys for being tight end three in Dynasty?
Speaker 2I said fifty to fifty on both.
I think fifty is right.
Both of them are dealing with issues, right.
Both of them have two major issues.
Both of them have a crowded situation.
Right.
Talent is better in Chicago than it is an Indie.
But I still think with I mean, I'm a huge Josh Towns fan just as a player in fantasy Luke Warren because of the quarterback situation and crowdedness, but I'm a big Josh Allens fan just as a player.
Obviously, I've raved about Pittman.
I was wrong last year.
It was a bad take for me, but also miserable quarterback play.
I think there's meat on the bone for end to improve.
We saw a nice year from Alec Pierce, and we keep hearing buzzy stuff about ad and I Mitchell.
There's a lot of to feed in Indy, but Warren should be out in the field.
I think for for Colson Loveland, there's a lot of miles to feed, and the playing time is a question because Comet is really good.
I still think it's Loveland by a lot.
I just think He's way better than Comet, so I'm not as worried about that.
But he has good quarterback play, whereas Tyler Warren has miserable quarterback play.
For either Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson, tight end is a tough position to come into the NFL and find success immediately.
Doesn't feel like that because Brock Bauers just came in and said, a bunch of records, right, We've had some tight ends come in and make a splash immediately recently.
It's not typically the case for most tight ends.
Usually it takes a little bit for these guys to jump in.
But I think these guys both are gonna be on the field so much that it shouldn't take much.
So I would say fifty to fifty for both of them, because, like Fitzy said, Sam Laporte is not nothing.
The other guy I would consider also is probably the one name we didn't mention was Tucker Craft.
I think Tucker Craft being out there for like ninety percent of the snaps or whatever where the wide receivers aren't, he could become Jordan Love's favorite target.
Speaker 4He did say Craft bogs, did I say I threw at Craft with likely just oh my bad.
Speaker 1I I wasn't going to throw you under the bus the way.
If it's just my bad, I do I do it quickly.
We don't really have time to dive deep in this, But Bogman, is there anything to the fact that forever rookie tight ends did not make an impact?
But it is happening more often recently, Like Bowers is kind of his own case.
But like the Port they're playing who we don't think is very good, had a thousand yards as a rook.
Speaker 2They're playing in the slot.
That that's what it is is it used to be tight Ends came in and you're like, specifically your rookie season.
If you're not blocking, you are going to learn how to block, because if you can't block, you can't get on the field.
It's not the case with tight Ends anymore.
Now it's your weapon.
You're way more of a weapon than you are a blocker, So we're looking at you as a weapon.
Initially, we'll figure out the blocking or get somebody else to do it.
That's why we have big slots in the NFL now like Isaiah, Likelely and Kittle and guys like that.
These Travis Kelsey and Kittle and Andrews paved the way for these new guys.
So yeah, I mean, it's just it's where they use where they use them in just the overall, I think learning curve of a tight end is different now than it was even ten years ago.
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All right, guys, four questions left here Sticking with the tight Ends.
Which rookie tight end drafted in the second round or later?
So not that two guys have just talked about.
Is going to be ranked highest in Dynasty this time next year?
I really like kind of the big three.
Obviously, you can make the keys for more.
I did leave it open for more than just the second round guys, But you know, Mason Taylor is guy's own injury thing.
He's dealing with.
Elijah Arroyo and Terrence Ferguson.
I really like all three of them as interesting Dynasty values.
It could be those three, It could be Harold Fanned, it could be somebody else.
I didn't mention, Bobman.
You can go first, which rookie tight end drafted the second round or later will be highest in Dynasty this time next year.
Speaker 2I think it's definitely Mason Taylor, and I know he is dealing with the ankle sprain and all that stuff, but it's just that I don't know that anybody else has a chance to be the second option on their team.
Maybe Fannin, but I think Fannin is that's more of a lack of talent around him than it is him being amazing.
So to me, it's Taylor because he's gonna be on the field a bunch once he gets healthy.
There's not a lot of competition for snaps for him, and there's not a lot of competition for targets.
It's Garrett Wilson and nobody.
So I like the talent of Ferguson, But you obviously have the two big guys there and the running game.
Fannin and Gad center kind of role specific and Helm is behind a concow.
So I do like a lot of these guys.
I don't think a royal season enough targets is rookie.
They still really love a J.
Barner.
So to me, it's Mason Taylor by a wide margin out of this group.
Speaker 1Fitz, do you also see a big gap year between Taylor and the rest?
Speaker 4No, not at all.
Harold Fannin is my choice here.
I mean, one hundred and seventeen catches last year and more than fifteen hundred yards at bowling, Green led FBS in both categories as a tight end.
And the good thing is oh plus, the Browns don't have a ton of talent at wide receiver, and next year he is going to be playing with some sort of sexy young quarterback.
Speaker 3Either Schadour, like you know, blows us all.
Speaker 4Away with how good he is and everyone talks about how stupid it was that he lasted until the fifth rown this year, or Shadour is not that great, and the Browns use all their draft capital because they're probably going to have a top three pick because they're not going to be good this year, and they had that Jaguars pick for the Travis Hunter trade.
They're going to bring in someone like Kid Klubnik, Garrett Nasmyer, Drew.
Speaker 3Aller, Like they are going to have a quarterback.
Speaker 4We're more excited about it this time of year from now, and that guy could pair pretty well with Harold Fannin.
Speaker 1I think it's worth remembering on fan and that, like prior to his really poor performance at was it the Combine or Senior Bowl?
Where did he struggle?
I can't remember now I'm having a brain fart where he had some offseason that he was did very poorly, and prior to that we were talking about him like it was like the tier one of rookie tight ends coming in.
This is very early in our conversations in like January was Warren Loveland and Fannin like he was being discussed very highly.
So worth remembering that he was uber productive in college.
Yeah, at a lower level.
Speaker 2And I'll agree with Fitz that I think Fannin has the highest ceiling out of this group by a decent margin.
Right.
I Just like Ben Sinnett, we really liked him.
Where is he now?
He's like nowhere to be found, right.
It's just you have to find time on the field.
There shouldn't be competition.
He should get on the field, but I do I haven't heard.
There's not been a lot of positivity about him out of camp, so I don't know.
I'm just I'm lukewarm on him.
I want I want that to be I prefer that to be the right answer, because I think Fanon has the highest ceiling out of anyone in this group.
I just think the easiest path to playing time is Taylor by a lot.
Speaker 1Let's kind of stick with the rookie conversation here.
I want to ask about the running backs in general.
Very highly regarded rookie class of running backs.
It was clearly the strength of the class this year.
I wonder if you think they're going to live up to the hype this season.
Similarly to how the wide receiver class of twenty twenty four set a lot of records with guys like Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas Junior and Lad McConkey, and you know on the receiving end was Brock Bowers even though it doesn't play receiver.
That class, even though there were a couple of disappointments, lived up to the hype overall and did very, very well.
Is this running back class going to be some I'm not saying they necessarily have to set records, but will they live up to the height?
Bogman, I'll start.
Speaker 2With you, Yeah, I think they will.
There are issues with this class right now, of course, but I do think.
I mean, we saw Trey Henderson return that kick, right, that was awesome.
We haven't even gotten a long look at Hampton.
Genty was unbelievably lukewarm and bad in his first display in the preseason, right, So maybe people are down now.
I'm not worried about those guys at all.
I'm not worried about Caleb at all.
I think he's definitely taking it the little words that I have.
Obviously, Judkins, what the hell is happening?
Speaker 1So let me interrupt you here, Bogman.
There was a tweet actually ten minutes ago as of when we're recording this, from Andy Slater saying that Judkins will not face any formal charges from the alleged incident in South Florida.
Prosecutors have declined to move forward with the case, so that's not as passing any judgment on the situation itself.
But that's a report from Andy Slater as a Temisko, So if that changes, you know, that's This is just what I'm seeing.
Speaker 2Because I'm I have been down to the rankings yesterday.
Speaker 1Is that is the latest update that we see on Twitter at the very least.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean that's huge, But we also have like Cam Scattaboo's hurt, Jordan James is hurt, Jane Blue had work ethic issues, We've seen, Brooks is still behind p Ryan.
I just don't think these things matter as much.
This class is huge coming in, We're gonna have one dude randomly pop out and have an enormous season.
I feel like out of nowhere because of an injury.
Maybe it's Giddon's, maybe it's Jordan James, you know what I mean.
Like, I think this class is good.
I like the landing spot for a lot of them, and there's just too many opportunities I feel like for this class to fail as a class.
So I'll say for the most part, yes, there's gonna be duds in there, for sure, of course, it happens every single year.
But I think for the overall, this class is going to be really.
Speaker 1Good fits you think it's going to live up to the hype, I do.
Speaker 4I mean, I think Jenti is a truly special prospect.
I think O'marion Hampton and Traveon Henderson are close to sure things barring injury.
Our j Harvey and Caleb Johnson both really really good prospects.
Judkins the wild card right now.
But you know, I think Camp Scattaby will probably be good.
And then the only thing I disagree with bogs On, I think we'll see more than one of this uh group, like later round group produce.
I think it's one so with you, okay, Okay, yeah, of like Gidton's, Dylan Samson, Todjebrooks, Willie, Mark, Stevin Neil, et Cetera, et cetera, Ja, Cory Krosky, Merritts aka Bill, Like, uh yeah, these I think we could see three or four of those guys.
Speaker 3Pop.
Speaker 1Do you think if I took gen Z off the table that we'll see any of them have like really high end seasons, Like some of those receivers, like you know, Thomas and Neighbors and Bowers were I think like all inside the top six and receptions last year, would we see anything like that where it's like not just that they live up to the hype, but really like borderline set records as rookies or do you think it will be maybe as well step down from that fits.
Speaker 4I mean, if Najee Harris doesn't play this season, what could o'mari and Hampton do in a Chargers offense where they clearly.
Speaker 3Want to run the ball.
Speaker 4And this dude, like I know Greg Roman's offenses generally don't target running backs a lot, but like Hampton absolutely has that in his skill set, so he could have a just smash season this year.
Speaker 2Hampton and Trey Henderson, Like, I think Henderson also has it in him to have an enormous season.
And a dude, you know, I just in a recent short I got done comparing him to a chan like the skill that's the skill set.
Dude doesn't have to touch the ball twenty five times to have a huge week.
You could touch it fifteen times to break a huge one.
So I think both those guys given a long runway and the way I feel about Bryce Hall right where I think he's just way better than competition.
I absolutely feel about Hampton.
I've watched Najie for years, amazing human being, great person.
I love Najie Harris, football player, lukewarm average a little bit better than in a jag in the NFL, and Hampton is a stud.
I will say Hampton has the exact same skill set I thought nag he had coming in.
So there is that archetype has let us down before.
But I have supreme confidence in Hampton Henderson.
I think one of my cops, not stylistically, but just like poor Man's Jumior Gibbs, where I don't care if he's not getting a lot of touches early because he's going to break big plays and he's going to catch passes.
Speaker 1And that's going to be really valuable.
So I love all these guys.
Obviously, this is gonna really like the class.
So another kind of rookie related question, or at least a second year player related question.
For as much as the twenty twenty four rookie wide receiver class impressed, two of the three biggest names in that class disappointed relative to expectations.
That would be Marvin Harrison Junior and Rome with doonsay, which of those guys is a better chance to bounce back and become a cornerstone dynasty wide receiver this season now fits you already kind of weigh in on Marvin Harrison Junior stepping on this question when he picked him as a guy who you thought could maybe lose value even if not having an injury this season.
So maybe you can focus on Rew with duonsay if you think he has a chance to become a cornerstone asset this year.
Speaker 4Here's the thing, I actually think Marvin Harrison Junior is my answer here too, Oka des by what I said, And I know that sounds like, you know, I'm arguing on both sides of the fence, but yeah, I mean there's just there's less target competition for Marvin Harrison Junior.
And like, although I'm worried that you know, this terrible usage last year will persist and that he'll continue to not click with Kyler Murray, I also do think there's pretty enormous pressure on Cardinal's head coach Jonathan Gannon and offensive coordinator Drew Patsing to make this work with the number four overall pick in last year's draft.
Like, I think they have a mandate to make it work with Harrison, and maybe it doesn't, but like they're gonna try, and I would imagine they're probably going to try to find some.
Speaker 3New ways to use him.
We'll see, maybe not.
Speaker 4So it scares the heck out of me that he's gonna have another disappointed season.
But at the same time, it would not shock me if we saw, like what we think is the real Marvin Harrison Junior in twenty twenty five bog.
Speaker 1Mean he said, do you agree?
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean the way the question is framed here, where you know who has a better chance, It's definitely Harrison because I just think that it's way less crowded in Arizona for him than it is for Rome in Chicago.
I just think Rome has to make more, fewer opportunities Marvin Harrison being a higher pick all the things that Fit's just said, than wanting to make it work.
I think they're going to four targets to him, and the target competition is way less for him than it is for Roma Dunsa.
So who has a better chance to move up?
It's definitely Harrison.
And in terms of who will move up, I think they're pretty equal.
Like I still believe in both these guys.
I thought we were going to get a much bigger discount on Roma Dunsday coming into this year because he was so unimpressive last year.
I tried to get him in a couple of spots.
I just couldn't find anyone coming off of him yet, So I think it would be It's still, of course costs more to trade for Marvin Harrison Junior, but I think it's more realistic than some of the offers that I had from Rome.
Maybe I talked about it too much.
Maybe it's a personal thing, right, Like people heard me saying I wanted to go by Rome and they knew they could fleece me or something.
But yeah, I think that the opportunity has to be for Harrison, but I do think both of them improved from last year.
Speaker 1So, Fitz, before we move off this question, then, obviously you've waited on Harrison from a couple angles here, What do you think about Rome?
Is he somebody that you think has a chance to step into the type of fantasy asset that we thought he was going to be last year because we were all really high on him.
But I know you really loved him, and it's almost a little bit overshadowed because so much of the conversation was on Marvin Harrison Junior.
Was Rome disappointing relative to expectations?
Do you see a bounce back happening this season?
Speaker 4The only thing is I mean, and we had this opinion of Rome going into the off season and like, yeah, he's probably going to be a guy who improves and takes a step up in year two.
It was a really terrible outcome though for Romo Dunese investors, that the Bear spent the first two picks of this year's draft on a pass catching tight end and a really dangerous like slot receiver in a Ben Johnson offense that sort of funnels targets to the slot.
And you know, maybe all of a sudden, Luther Burden is the new amen AA Saint Brown.
So man, I just those additions I think like could sort of kneecap Romo Dunza's.
Speaker 3Value for the next few years.
Speaker 1Like that's a problem, Bogman is do before we move off this, Like, yeah, I know you said that he's going for a love would you would you want to be aggressive in trying to get him or because isn't there you don't want I mean obviously.
Speaker 2Not because I didn't.
I wasn't able to do it.
Speaker 1Yeah, and.
Speaker 2Day might be one of those frustrating guys where he just needs a change of scenery.
Right, he wasn't drafted by this regime.
They obviously like Burden, they obviously like Loveland.
So DJ Moore is not going anywhere.
That is like my most staunched thing about the Bears is that people like I think DJ Moore is going to take it back.
I don't think Djmore takes a back seat to anybody.
I think he's a stud until he ages.
I think age is what gets DJ Moore.
I don't think competition ever gets him.
I think he's an absolute piece.
So with that being said, that's one like, I know who DJ Moore is, it's figuring out the rest of it.
And Roma Dunze is one piece.
He's just as equal to being a stud as Loveland is and Burden.
To me, I think Burton's really good too.
So I don't know if it's going to work in Chicago, but I do hope for it still.
Speaker 1Okay, I wanted to wrap things up with a little bit of a look ahead at kind of next to his class.
We talk about this a lot, especially on like the Discord stages where we get questions about making trades and moving future picks, and like what do we think about this class?
And sometimes maybe we do talk a bit too much about how we really like the twenty twenty seven class.
I know, Bogman, you've pushed back a little bit saying like, there is going to be really good players in twenty twenty six.
Also, so as we kind of get here just a couple of weeks away from the season, we get into the next couple of months where this is really where twenty twenty six picks are going to be moving a lot more, I think than they were this offseason, when there's still kind of this you know, nebulous thing in the future.
We're now like really into these are the next picks that are happening in your rookie drafts, in your dynasty rookie draft.
So twenty twenty six rookie draft picks, how much are they worth really at this point in time here ahead of the season, given what we know about just generally future picks being worth, and what we know about this class specifically, and just all of it.
So just kind of a macro level view fits I'll start with you, how much are these picks worth really?
Speaker 3I mean.
Speaker 4Right now, I guess I'm looking at it like it's probably going to be in super flex, maybe an average class, maybe a slightly below average.
I mean it in one QB league, it's it's probably below average, Like we do have some below average one Yeah, well, I mean so we think that now.
And first of all, like some really good quarterback prospects with you know I mentioned before Klube, Nick drew All or Garrett Nasmyer.
I think I forgot to mention Leonora Sellers, who's got sort of the Cam Young skill set or Am Newton's skill set.
So pretty interesting QB class.
But then, like I don't know, maybe the running back and wide receiver prospects don't look great to us now, but there are gonna be guys we fall in love with once the college football season gets going.
And I was spending some time on mock draft database looking over the twenty twenty six prospects the other day, and I think they projected ten wide receivers going in the first two rounds.
So like, not the star power we're going to get in twenty twenty seven, you know, when Ryan and Williams and of course Jeremiah Smith come out.
But like there's some intriguing prospects.
For sure, it's not going to be as good a running back class as this year's was.
I don't think there were any tight ends projected anywhere close to the first round.
So all in all, maybe sort of a weak, weaker class, but like we'll see, we could consider it average and maybe even like it by the time twenty twenty six rolls around.
Speaker 1I wonder if it's an interesting year, Bogman, if we think that there's not as much star power, but there are a number of quarterbacks and be maybe some real depth at a positionlike receiver.
If picking late as a contender and theoretically getting with like that ten to eleventh, twelfth spot is maybe actually like you can view it through a normal evaluation of like, hey, maybe it's a down class at the top, but those picks are still going to be like pretty good options guys that could really pan out in dynasty.
Not to say that if you're a contender you shouldn't trade away your picks because of that, but I wonder if it's more like those elite picks, like oh, you're not going to get a Nasha Genty or whoever at the top, So like tanking, you know, might not really be that beneficial, but those later picks maybe are more along the lines with how they are in other years.
What do you think about the class in general?
Speaker 2Yeah, I think I think right now the class is below average, right.
I think that's how you kind of have to view it, is that the classes below average.
And for that reason, I feel like twenty twenty six picks are worth far less than twenty seven picks right now, even though you have to wait an extra year to see the light on those twenty seven picks.
But I'll say this, what we don't know right now is who is going to lead this class at some of these positions, Like who is going to be the number one running back?
Probably Jeremiah Love, but after that Malachi Hughes is a nice addition, Nick Singleton, Jonah Coleman.
What we do know for sure is that there are going to be some good qbs at the front of this class.
So I think that for that reason, if you're looking for a quarterback, this is the class that you should be trying to get into.
Maybe we don't get Arch right, maybe he doesn't come out like his grandfather said.
I think it's probably about a twenty percent that he does come out.
I think he's definitely going back to Texas.
I think this has been his plan the whole time.
But even if he doesn't come out, like FITZI said, you have Nu Smyer, klub Nick Sellers, Aller leave it, Francisco Mendoza, joh Mateer from Oklahoma if he is really an NFL level quarterback as great.
Speaker 1Wepend for Cambling.
Speaker 2I don't think he was actually just that's scroupid Venmo stuff.
But yeah, it's a story going on right now.
That's a major story.
So I think if you're looking for a quarterback specifically in a super flex league, this is a good class to get at the top of because there are good options beyond just cam Ward.
Right this year was cam Ward, maybe She'd or maybe Jackson Dark ended up being just Ward and Dart in the first and then you know a bunch of guys late.
But I think this QB class is solid and I think a lot of these guys are going to go early.
I think there's a lot of need for qbs, so if you need one specifically, that is the crux of this class.
I think we will see running backs and wide receivers raised.
I think there's a good group, it's just separating them right now.
There's a lot of murkinness in that.
So they'll rise to the top, so they'll be worth more at draft time than they are now, I feel like, but it's not a guarantee, so there's just not worth as much as twenty seven picks.
Speaker 1All right, we'll go ahead and wrap things up.
Speaker 3There.
Speaker 1Got through a ton of interesting topics there, so a really fun episode.
Appreciate everybody tuning in for that one, and appreciate you too for chatting through some of these questions with me ahead of the season.
For Bogman and Fits, I'm Ryan warmly.
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