The volume.

Did you think what happened after the Rulers back when you dropped it?

Because I was with January first.

Mm hmm January first.

Did you think things were going to go the way they were going to go after you?

Yeah?

Absolutely that you didn't think one jay Z reference was gonna the whole West Coast sensitive.

I swear I did you know what I mean?

And Joe get that you knew exactly what the fun was.

Nah, promise you, I promise you.

I didn't you know what I'm saying.

Like, so I made Rulers back, right, I probably made Rulers back.

I want to say, like two days before I put it out.

Okay, I made it.

We shot the video and then we just we just put it out and you know, shout out to my man sim because he was the only person that was like, yo, I don't know that line, and.

I was like, so he felt it.

He felt he felt that.

He was like, yo, I'm telling you like like like that line is gonna and reaction.

Listen, I was wrong.

We came in the day that that came out, well not the day but a few days after we recorded.

I said, man, it's just just the whole reference, like, honest, this is not going to turn out to be anything.

The boy was our fucking wrong.

I really did not think that was going to make everybody as sensitive as it.

Same bro, same like, you know what I mean.

I can't say that.

My man ain't like put the bug in my ear that he felt that it could.

But my my like sentiment on it was like, nah, I don't think it's going really like you know what I'm saying.

I don't think it's going to be that big of a deal.

It's the whole line.

It ain't like I said, Yo, he fucked the West Coast.

Yeah, yeah, I'm like, yo, I'm clearly recycling a whole line with remarkable time and that part I understood.

But you understood the time.

But that was that was why the reference was so good, because of what was happening at the time, and that's what I thought.

It was a time where that's happening as.

Well, especially with me understanding my relationships with the West Coast.

You like this shit happened.

One of the first people who caught me was a you know what I'm saying.

We spoke about it.

You know what I'm saying.

We spoke about it for like ten fifteen minutes and lat he's super he's super here, super like he gets it, you know what I'm saying.

So but to me, like that's how I'm thinking about it, I'm like, yeah, like I'm like yo, you thought like I'm like yo for real, like like like you you took that by it and you took any disrespect from that.

He's like, nah, like niggas higas niggas his favorite thing to say you in the gym, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know what I'm saying.

So I was like, all right, bet, But then you know, shit started jumping online and you know the Internet nowadays fuel ship, oh absolutely, like the staying culture and all of that ship.

You know, this narrative start developing.

And when the narrative started developing, I was like, Okay, somebody's gonna take this bait.

Of course, somebody's gonna, of course take this bait.

And then it just you know, read very prepared.

I will say that I wasn't.

I honestly wasn't prepared.

I wasn't you know.

Before we get to the rest of the battle with if the Internet did not have the narrative that started after rulers back, would sorry not sorry have came out the way it did, even down to what I would say, isn't a shot, but it's a little jab at Cole Like there were shots where I felt like you saw the energy of hey, people took this as a disc so if you did, all right.

Sorry sorry, yeah yeah, yeah, y'all say this line and then too, I'm like, you know, a bunch of niggas with attitudes like you say that that was that was clearly addressing the people on the West Coast who was feeling a way sensitive about regular I'm just you know, my response to it was like, yo, I'm just bigging up my city, you know what I'm saying.

Like at that point, I'm like, you know what, I ain't because because for me, what was what was like important to me in the beginning, And it's like I don't know, I don't know if it was a good thing in hindsight or a bad thing, but I'm like, one thing I'm not going to do is get on Twitter and like be walking it back or some shit that like, yo, I ain't mean it like that.

Like I felt secure in what I meant, and then I'm already speaking to my people on that side and they telling me how they feel and they're not taking offense.

So I'm like, yo, fuck the internet.

You know what I'm saying.

Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

It takes a shot and sorry not sorry.

But but even that, even that though, it's like, you know, I.

Won't delete that later, Joey won't.

I won't.

You know what I'm saying, Like it's commentary, you know what I'm saying, Like, it's not like even that, I'm like, okay, you know I did think about that one though, because I'm like, all right now it's a little bit more intention you know what I'm saying.

I'm like, okay, you know what I'm saying, like motherfuckers.

Not disrespectful though.

It was the it was the epitome of what this whole thing is, of what hip hop is to me, what you were doing.

So that's why, you know, it was good to see the guys get out and you know, get the pins moving, everybody rapping.

I love that, you know what I'm saying.

I'm a little older, so I know what that part of the culture is.

It's like, this is rap.

Never thought it was gonna get serious or it was gonna go left right, But I didn't understand how some people were really like offended though, and really felt the way like nah, fucked, And I'm like, but this is what they're supposed to be doing is rapping.

Yeah, And I mean, I don't know, I feel like the Internet was offended.

I don't think like I don't think like daylight that.

Was fueling it.

Daylight wasn't I think anyone like that.

Don't have the conversation since the beginning.

You didn't mention in the last record, But I don't know if the like courage your bars before so before the red bullshit, because shiit, what's the daylight shit?

He had to skate park apologies, like I forgot the record.

It was one of my favorite joints.

It came out.

Before like like Backpack or some ship like that, and.

He kind of predicted what Joey's first did.

And then Joey had mentioned on the last record like like you heard all my bars and the red bull shit months ago, like don't act like you some some prophecy shit like you knew was gonna happen.

So that did happen?

AD played that for him?

Or how did that even go about.

So you know, when we did the Red Bull joint, we did that shit in like March.

It ain't up coming to like what like May or some shit like that.

Ye rounds after So you know, I don't know if AVS specifically played it, but what I do believe happened is we recorded Decipher at Big Shawn's house like a track because the guys was, you know, anybody just kind of wanted to make sure that we had a backup playing in case lyrics couldn't be remembered, memorized in time facts it.

So it was like the idea of having this backing track.

But I knew in that very moment that motherfuckers was gonna hear my shit.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying, because everybody's connected, you know what I'm saying, So like it don't gotta be ad Direcord could have been his manager Boom then But then you know abbas also a TDE artist, so top and you know the label was very involved on the rolling out of the Red Bull Cipher.

You know what I'm saying.

Everybody understand what it is, you know what I'm saying.

So at some point they heard it you know what I'm saying.

So I knew.

I knew that that was going to happen.

I didn't know that it was gonna take Red Bull Solon to put it out.

But by the time that happened, I'm like, Okay, if I'm my enemies, I have a plan of action to respond to this.

You know, when this ship drop, you know, it dropped, it went crazy and just like I predicted, Motherfucker's had the moon the day after, which made it look like to the public like oh like he like he went in the studio last night, like nah, nah.

Niggas was prepared.

Niggas prepared, and again I'm not here to have you start trouble with It was an amazing moment I think for hip hop because ione just wrapped and everyone became cool and friends and everything's fine.

Now I will go back to some.

Of the stuff we talked about, because we was on your side the entire time.

But before Daylight got involved, we sat here nervous for you just because of who Light is and what his past career.

Yeah, and I think actually is one of the few battle rappers that does make music that's good as well, which is is tough, so we was a little nervous, and boy was we proving fucking wrong.

Yeah, I don't think that.

I don't even were you were a little surprised that Daylight didn't come the way we thought.

Paul is the way we usually see in a battle with some of those by his standard, because I think Daylight is an alien.

I wouldn't say that he didn't.

You know, Paul's come the way that like you know, he usually comes.

But I think one thing that I understood about it is that he was in a different arena.

This is a different stage for Daylight those battles, Yeah, but we're not on the stage.

Okay, so it's not the performative, you know.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, But I think that's the first of his kind of a battle that Daylight has had.

You know what I'm saying, public guy trading tracks, you know what I'm saying.

Usually he's on the stage, and I think, you know this, this whole thing would have went down different if it was like on the stage like that.

So I'm like, you know, that was one thing that I knew, like, Okay, cool, that's that's that's That's definitely one thing to my advantage, right, And I even say it, I'm like, Yo, no matter what stage they put you on, you still ask that.

You know what I'm saying, You're not thinking with that whole thing.

But then too, I feel like one thing that gave me, uh confident edge over the whole situation was when he did the backpack thing, because I'm like, you shouldn't have to do that.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying, So that that that made me feel like, Okay, this is this is like I could do this ship.

You know what I'm saying, This is beatable, you know what I'm saying, Because now you're leaning into optics and ship like that, which I'm like, you're the great you know what I'm saying.

You don't need to do that.

You don't need to do that you're leaning on Oh I knew this.

Before, right, you know what I'm saying.

So that that kind of gave me a little bit of I feel like power and energy in a situation where it's just like I was able to approach it like a little bit differently.

But yeah, and I shot the day though, Man, I really do love Day.

That's my man.

And like, you know what I'm saying, it was.

It was one of the greatest.

I just want to know what.

I haven't heard anything from him, is he posts on social media like we haven't seen day.

I heard he dropping, he dropping the joint soon the album.

Yeah again it's surf in Light that I think are the two battle rappers that like make good They know how to make good music.

So that's that's where I was nervous.

But what was that call to Lux?

Like, oh, like, how did that whole that whole thing come together with load of Lux?

We take a little SI.

And I know Lux was laughing, Like I know when he got the call, he started laughing.

If I remember correctly.

On YouTube, it didn't save feature and loaded.

Luck no, I did no because I remember being in my life.

I'm posted the most statue of liberty emojis I've ever posted in my fucking life.

Once I heard Lux come on that second.

Verse, Yeah, yeah, man.

You know, so me and Lex go way back, you know what I'm saying, Like I connected with Lux like probably ten years ago, eight years ago, like I did a feature film like back in the day, you know, so we always just had that rapport yeah or whatever, And you know, I actually had a conversation with him early on in the year, like you know, when the ship first started kicking off and shit like that, you know, we we was you know, laughing, joking and you know, talking about the idea of podly like if I was going to engage like you know, but it was it was really just kind of like poking fun out of the whole situation.

Like it wasn't nothing serious.

I ain't like really be like yo, boom boom.

But then when the when the when the red bullshit happened, I'm like, okay, cool.

So I'm my opponents, right, I heard this ship for two months, I got my move ready, and you know, right the next day, you know, Rayvaughn dropped, and then I'm like, okay, cool.

I went to the studio that night and I made the finals.

You know what I'm saying, boom.

But then after that, I'm like, Okay, what is this nigga like gonna do?

You know what I'm saying.

I'm like, I have no idea what this motherfucker's gonna do.

So I'm waiting, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, I'm keeping the pin hogh just in case because I don't know when this nigg is going dropped and he start tweeting ship and all that, I'm like, all right, they said, now it was Monday, you know, so you dropped the joint and I'm like, oh, I bet you know what I'm saying.

You know what it felt like?

I felt like, okay, cool.

It was almost like when you get in the ring with your opponent and you feel that first punch, You're like.

Oh, that's it.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, oh, okay.

So then yeah, I went to studio called lux.

I said, y'all, yeah, it's time.

It's time.

Lets go ahead and finish them.

It's time.

It's time, Yo, I'm about to see you.

He sent it back lightning quick.

I ain't going on, yeah, shout out the Luxe.

No lux Is.

He's yeah, he's a he's watched some lux Fur styles stuff to this day.

Of course, it's it's tough to be objective.

But where do you where do you rank my town?

And if Complex were to put out every list that they used to put out of the top fifty disc records of all where my town lands?

I don't know what to me.

I think it's a little higher.

Of course, the dust has to settle, and it just happened.

But I think when time passes, I think that my time record might be up there in one of the greatest battle records.

In my opinion.

Yeah, if you look.

At everything that was happening with that entire week, how crazy that shit was.

That was kind of the stamp that And of course I have a New York bias.

But after that, I was like, this is over.

Man.

I don't really, I don't care too much after this, this has done that we spoke about it, this is done.

I'm obviously familiar with your opinion and your work, but you definitely outperformed my expectations.

Like I knew what you were capable of.

But I was just thinking, like this, nigga Joey getting TV money, you know, start going that route it like he really you know that.

You know what I'll tell y'all something, right, Like initially that was my approach, Like when Day and Ray first started like jabbing and shit like that.

You know, when I was doing the side and that sidry the part of me is and shit like that.

I'm like in my head, I'm like, I mean, I'm not I to engage for real.

You know what I'm saying, because I'm like it, don't it don't I didn't see the win for me.

But then I started getting hip to the fact that people like, you know, what I learned over time is like every five years, it's a bunch of new hip hop fans, Oh yeah that come into the picture, get on that Twitter, get on the Internet, have a bunch of opinions, think pieces, podcasts, all of that shit.

So in that moment, why are we catching a stray no job, Yeah, ain't catching it straight.

Compliment follow people who are actually talking about rap music for a change.

You know.

But so pretty much what I realized, I'm like, oh, you know what, there's a lot of people who are in discovery mode about me.

Yeah.

Absolutely, you know what I'm saying.

Even though I have my accomplishments and my success, there's still a lot of people who are not familiar with nineteen ninety nine Joey before the Money on American.

So at that point, when we clicked up for the Red Bull joint, and you know, because I because you know, ab like gave me like a sample of his verse and then when I peeped that he was doing the he mentioned the daylight in Raceio.

I was like, you know what, this is a good opportunity.

Now I saw it as like I saw a win in it for me, Like this is a good moment for me to engage because I can remind people, not even remind I could fucking hit people to what this pen do?

You know what I'm saying.

So that's when I that's when I jumped in.

But also like, you know, the win for me too, you know, I'm definitely was cognizant of it.

Was it being like Joey versus the field, you know what I'm saying, Like that that was that was a better battle for me, you know what I'm saying, rather than me versus this person alone or me versus that person alone.

It was it was more worth it for me to be like going up against a bunch of people, you know what I'm saying.

So at that point, I'm like, yeah, you know what, Yeah, it's game time, like like like let's get it.

Like I see, I see the wind, I see the opportunity and taking.

It in the midst of that, you don't have to answer, just just blink twice.

If Top Dog paid you to do all.

That, top do we did have.

We did have like fairly, we did have like t the East.

Yeah, we did have some some dialogue, like you know what I'm saying, just like you know, joking and you know a lot of joking and laughing and ship ship.

I ain't gonna my top.

He had.

He bought me some some seats, some tickets one night to the nickgame while that ship was going on.

He was like, Yo, you gotta be out there, man, Like you know what I'm saying, you know.

So that was love.

But we definitely did have a few conversations, you know, talk about the whole TD East thing and like you know how he thought that shit was clever.

He's like, Yo, nigga, I've been laughing about that ship since last night and ship like that.

I'm like, yo, she kind of got a ring to it.

We should have a conversation, you know what I mean.

So we definitely spoke about that and the possibility of sitting down.

So he didn't have this whole elaborate scheme set up to get his artists.

Absolutely not, nah, you know what I mean, every this whole thing, like nobody knew I was gonna come with the rulers back.

What you said, she ain't say nothing.

Nobody work work anyways, Listen, nobody knew that I was gonna come with the rulers back, and after the Rulers back, I didn't know what was gonna transpire.

Like when I tell you this ship was rolling with the punches.

It was rolling with the fucking punches.

The only moments of like preparation I had was once I did that rebel freestyle and knew that it was sitting with that side for two months.

At that point, I'm like, Okay, cool, I smelled something.

Now I could see what's coming.

But before that, I couldn't see nothing, you know what I'm saying, Like it was just surprised every day, you know what I'm saying.

So, yeah, no, I need to start like really talking about like my inner thoughts more.

Okay.

You know how you have in the thoughts about things, and you'd be like, and then when shit happens, you be like, I should have said this two years ago.

You never had those moments where shit happens, you be like, I knew this was gonna happen two years ago.

Well, in particular with the whole thug situation, when he essentially you know came home and won his trial.

Because that was a win.

He was.

I think he was facing life, if I'm correct, he was.

It was like, oh shit, shout Lebron.

Still you know what I mean?

It was able to go in there, Tom SR and make some things happen.

Tom serve.

He obviously has restrictions, can't go here, can't go there.

But something about that never sat right with me.

I was like, this doesn't I don't think this is the end of this.

And lo and behold, now we have these recorded conversations being don't we don't want to say leaked.

It's not an album.

It's not an album.

These conversations are being put out.

Yes, And I always felt like the government was gonna find a way, oh shit, to say, Okay, he won, he won the he won the battle.

But we're gonna win the war.

We're gonna do it whatever we can to completely annihilate his public facing character, his public facing status.

And I believe that this is exactly what it is.

This is an attack on dismantling Thug's character, dismantling what everything that Thug stands for.

This is not by accident, This is not a leak.

This is a.

Planned thing that I feel like the government knew, they know exactly what they're doing, and they had this plan all along.

When they want you, they're gonna get you.

We may not have you in prison, we may not have you behind bars, but we're gonna get you.

And I think that this is exactly what is happening here.

I think that they are purposely putting these audio recordings out because if anybody has anybody incarcerated, the first thing you hear when you answer that phone is this call is being recorded.

So you know that this is being recorded.

It's not who keeps the recording.

You don't know.

We can guess, Oh, the government has it, the jail system, the correctional facility has it.

So now these recordings that they have, if you've ever called from a jail and talked to somebody, anything you spoke about is recorded and saved somewhere.

So now what the government is essentially doing is saying, Okay, he's not in prison, let's do whatever we can do to completely disrupt his image, completely dismantle his image.

And that's exactly what they're trying to do with these recordings.

Okay, but also cool with the phone calls.

But there's also interrogation stuff there.

So like you know when people in reality TV complain like I was edited this way, and then the reply is always like, well, you can't edit what you don't do.

Yeah, cool, government could be behind anything, but what Doug stands for, I don't care that they leaked it.

It happened, like yeah, I'm not saying I'm not saying.

Like it's not like if it was a I'd be like, all right, that's some some real, real.

I'm not saying that none of this didn't happen.

It clearly happened.

These conversations clearly happen.

What I'm saying is when people say all these things are it's they're leaking the conversations.

Stop saying these conversations are leaking, But we conversations are being put out by the government.

By the fuck you Brian a scientist and Doug.

As far as that leaked conversation, and we could probably safely assume that wasn't the government.

That was probably somebody that worked at the jail that had it and sold it like that happens a lot too.

Shit how we saw it, Uh, Solange trying to whoop jay Z's ass was because the security people sold the ship.

Like I do think there's an element there.

And we also know because he where was he locked up?

Was that a federal case now that was with this thing?

That was No, it was state.

Yeah, so it was state.

So he was locked up in the greater Atlanta area.

We know CEOs come from the same exact hoods that the people that are locked up in.

I could see a world where all this CEO took this ship and sold it to somebody or or knew someone that knew gun and was like, Yo, he's saying all this shit about you.

I got all this Like, I can see that.

The interrogation one though, to me is government.

It's not that jail phone calls any No, it's not tell them ships all the time.

No, they do not.

It's not that easy to get those recordings.

Those recordings are not just on a recorder right here in the office where we having lunch at.

No, I know, that's not where those recordings located.

Those recordings are somewhere where somebody higher up on the chain that works for the correctional facility, that works for the state, they have they have those recordings.

That's not just somebody.

Also that monitor those calls that then have to flag something if criminal activity is being discussed for the higher ups to take care of.

If you don't think somebody could sit in that fucking office with their iPhone and play that recording and just like this and get that exact.

Quality of what they have on those I do think.

I don't think it's that easy.

Okay, No, your lawyers can absolutely obtain your recordings.

Yeah, he says, Gunners lawyers.

Oh, I don't think that.

I don't think that.

But again, I don't want to act like a Twitter lawyer because I don't know can.

Once you plee.

Out, why would the lawyer have access to They weren't even really co defendants after the police, so how would they have access to those calls?

Yeah, I don't think Gunner's lawyers did.

Thugs lawyers I think can get those, you know, But that's again it lets you know when you make a oh this call is being recorded of course, So it's just certain things that you just don't need to be speaking about on you know, on those calls on those phones, because again you do know that it's being recorded.

But I mean to me, the calls, whether it be with you know, twenty one with other people like, respectfully, that was more like gossipy, I'm bored in jail calls.

To me, the main leak was the interrogation.

The two interrogation ones, like that's different.

That's not a jail phone call.

That's an interrogation.

Like to me, that's where this ship is nuts.

And I don't know at this point, someone just w the street rules because I don't know anymore.

They are no streets.

I'm just I'm not called I'm a civilian on my calle.

Any want to rap, that's not I just want to know at this point, what are the updated rules listens.

I'm very confused.

People need to understand this, and you know, it just is what it is, the streets and all of the rules of cold that shit is only upheld by a very select few.

Everybody's not a rat.

Everybody's a snitch, but there are rats and now snitches.

You go through every era from the biggest gangsters.

You show me who the biggest gangster was.

Somewhere in their story, I could point out somebody that rad it.

That's a part of the snitching is a part of the streets, and people just need to understand that that's a part of it.

You know, when you play Mario, it's the little goomers that run around.

That's part of the game.

You can't play Mario World and not get mushrooms like that's part that's in the game.

You cannot be in the streets and not think that people are not cooperating and not snitching.

That is a part of the street rules.

There are snitches, which is why when somebody doesn't snitch and doesn't cooperate, they should be saluted to the highest degree because we know exactly how many of these people are cooperating.

So when you see.

Somebody take their time and take their punishment and stand up to it and don't fold and do that, those are the people you salute.

Because again, for one person that's gonna hold it down, there's one hundred thousand that's gonna cooperate.

But people that hold it down and take their sentences, that is very rare.

So when people get so surprised when they find out that people cooperated or gave a statement, is that I look.

At it, like, what are we surprised about?

That's a part of the game.

From look at every era, your favorite documentaries, from your favorite gangsters, and street figures.

Go through all of the documentaries, and I guarantee you in every documentary there is somebody that cooperated and took the whole thing down.

Some of your favorites did it, and they.

Throw parties for these niggas in no condishit.

When they come home, I'm like, you know that nigga read it right?

The one thing that they love us say, he ain't read on me.

He ain't right on me.

He will then, Yeah, But y'all don't understand why I don't like being around this type of shit and these gods because I look at it and I'm like, yo, first of all, I know y'all don't even like each other, number one, because I've heard what y'all both said about each other to me.

So then when I see y'all doing parties and events and hostings and vacations, I'll be sitting back looking like maybe I'm the eyeball.

You know what I'm saying, And I'm cool with that maybe, but I'm just like, something ain't right with what's going on out here, and it hasn't been right forever.

But it takes.

It takes years of being around certain things and seeing certain things to understand like, oh, this is not for me.

And that's one reason why it was easy for me to leave that street shit alone, because I know how I'm going.

I know that whatever I do, I'm taking that on the chin.

If I get caught up out here and I gotta go to prison, I'm taking that.

Everybody not doing that.

So why even put myself in a situation where I'm the only one that's gonna hold it down.

I'm not doing it.

I'm asking to lose at that point.

I'm asking to be the person with the short end of the stick because I know if they come and say you're you're facing fifteen, give me my fifteen.

I see y'all in a minute.

That's how I'm designed.

Everybody in design like that.

Niggas said fifteen years they put a beat on nigga.

I'll tell you they gonna start telling no niggas that ain't even a part of the situation.

And it's cool.

Come home concert sold out, mert sold out.

What I'm saying, views going crazy on YouTube.

The support is still there, and they just put some good dudes behind bars.

So when you look at that, you're like, all, so what am I doing?

Because I'm never gonna do that.

And if that's what you got to do to be accepted out here, then I'd rather just not be.

A part of it.

I hate to admit that I enjoyed.

I'm just gonna say quietly, I enjoyed the Bobby and Drake interveal.

You enjoyed?

What say that again?

Huh?

That's anything.

I didn't say anything what was enjoyable.

But I don't think Punch is gonna like that.

Know.

What he said was if you couldn't hear him, he said he enjoyed the Bobby All TAF and Drake.

I would talk about Bbby Brown was it was a separate different.

Bobby Ye shout out to Bobby just got his master's back.

But don't be cruel and teddy.

Yeah, oh congrats, that's crazy.

Yes, Bobby Brown.

Did you watch the Bobby All TF.

I'm sure I'm mispronouncing that and Drake interview.

I see, I don't believe you.

I feel like you know, I didn't I watch I watched the clip.

It's funny, I didn't watch the full like I watched the whole.

They've seen a bunch of clips.

Though it was it was entertaining, I still stand on I'm gonna watch it.

I didn't watch it yet, though I.

Still stand on wanting to hear from Drake as well as Kendrick, as well as Cole.

I want to hear from them with black faces.

No, not necessarily the people.

If all three of them Pauls want to sit with me in my white face, I'd be happy to.

I'm gonna sit in with the culture.

I'll be all tallish in the culture.

Don't do that because because Elliott dissed us over the weekend and everyone called me and said we was beefing Elliott.

Who I saw that?

Me?

Nah?

He whoever tweeted it was very misleading, and then in the I didn't see it.

What do you say, all.

You podcasters and media men, you rappers the term media men.

I'm a radio act like you' all a media man.

Well all of you have you had your dream come true?

All the same motherfuckersoul, same elliots.

Journalism think means nothing, Rob Mark means nothing, Jeremy has means nothing.

Your podcaster, your former rapper, You're all media men.

I'm gonna media personality.

I'm not a journalist, and I don't want to talk about Cardi's album No More.

Because the nigga you you signed up for the gig.

The gig is the gig.

You barely could talk to artists.

They want to know what you think about everything.

We're doing the same goddamn thing.

I want to call yourself a former.

I'm still an artist.

I'm a media man.

I'm a podcaster for radio personality.

I'm a journalist.

Like we're in the same game, motherfucker.

We're in the same game.

My nightmares come true.

We're in the same game.

We're on the same thing.

Whenever you crash out, you you just got off the subway.

Do I see the same game, mother fucker.

I don't care if you're mall.

I don't care if you're fat Joe, I'll name names.

Your opinion does matter because that's the platform.

Your audience wants your opinion on things you don't.

You'll con be able to get the drive.

I'm not qualified.

I'm not a journalist.

We have the MIC's, we're all talking.

We're doing the same thing.

We're all the same media men.

Oh, because I'm not gonna don't.

I don't feel.

Comfortable talking about cardiv music because she don't.

I don't fel she makes it for me.

But that's real.

I don't feel comfortable talking about anybody that I know didn't make anything that I'm not their audience, their target audience.

That's kind of like, But his point, that's not me being I thought that was me being honest.

Journalist has to speak about everything, they don't.

That's the problem.

No, you don't know the fuck you don't know.

You don't.

Nobody in the world needs to speak on everything, journalists or not.

You do not need to be speaking on everything.

And yes, I stand on that.

I don't feel comfortable sitting here talking about Cardi's v music, Cardi B's music, because I know she doesn't make music for me.

What's wrong with that?

I feel like that's being honest and real, unlike some of these other niggas that got mikes in their face and just talking.

Yeah, I don't feel comfortable talking about cardiv music, whether I like it or not.

Y'all know how I'm coming about Cardi.

I fuck with Cardi big Bronx shit.

I want to see her do anything that she put her mind to.

I want her to be successful, But I don't feel comfortable sitting here talking about her music.

And saying I don't like it because I know Cardi ain't going in the booth of laying down balls with niggas like me, and huh, so you know what I'm saying, So yeah, duh then her voice, duh, nigga, you're not supposed to like it.

I wasn't.

I wasn't spitting these balls for you.

So yeah, I don't feel I don't feel right sitting here saying I don't like a Cardi record.

I don't because I know she ain't making it for me, And so yeah, shut up, Elliott.

And to me, that is what does.

Disprove Elliot's point that he was making, because I think that is a form of journalism what Maul just did.

And you're honest, Yes, that is a form like journal The journalist should be honest.

If integrity Cardi, journalist.

Should have integrity, and don't none of you niggas got more integrity than me.

Carti is obviously an a lister in hip hop.

So she's gonna get brought up.

And I think you didn't avoid It's not like we just stayed quiet about Carti.

I feel like, I wan, that's a whole statement itself.

I'm not telling that shit Beau ain't for me.

It's not for me, but I love Cardi.

Shout out to Cardi, but it's I don't feel right saying I don't like a Cardi record like I ain't supposed to like.

That's like me saying I ain't like Carti's outfit, Nigga, she ain't put that on hoping I would like it, like to me, I look at it in same vein like that doesn't that's not for me.

It's funny too, because Drake did bring up I guess something in that vein with the Bobby interview in regards to him sitting with her rather than certain journalists.

The goal is not to be an unattainable dickhead for your whole life and only speak to zaying low while he asks you the most curated questions and I mean complex.

Not to say they took Drake misquoted him, but there was more context to what he was suggesting.

He more or less was saying that artists can also go like Nikki going to Kai, somebody that is usually does not speak to people, is still allowed to go to something that's not this formal fucking thing.

And he said, no disrespect to zaying low as well.

He didn't dissay, but I understood what he was saying.

But it kind of goes back to our conversation that we've had a million times when it comes to this topic.

I think there can be a balance of both Nikki and Co being.

An example that Drake brought up, or even Drake and Bobby because he's saying that they ushered in the.

Idea of it.

I I just want to balance as a fan.

I'm speaking strictly as a fan.

I want to balance.

I don't think there's a balance.

Has Drake not sat down with people before?

No, No, of course I'm not making this.

He was talking about artists overall.

I think there's been a lack of that with a list artists and a shit a good amount of artist period that they can just go do the fun thing and avoid everything that people may want to know on the side.

But they're also humans.

They don't owe us.

They don't owe us that.

I'm just speaking as I was waiting for he of course they don't.

Does Drake owe me any explanation for anything?

That's like you?

But I'm saying some people speak as if he does, and he does not.

But as a fan of music, I can also say I would love to hear from him with somebody that's going to ask questions and receive answers that I.

Want to know.

That's all.

Yeah, I think that's fine.

The reason why I never understood why people get upset about it like this is because number one, he sat down with people, plenty.

Of people before.

Yeah, but it's different now.

He sat down in the whole barbershop with Lebron and God and the guys.

He sat down with Elliot a couple of times, had Elliott in his living room, which I thought was he sat down with a bunch of priests.

Everything he said, sat down with a bunch of time.

But that was at a time we wanted to hear.

That's why that rap Radar interview was so great.

Outside of beat out and Elliott doing a great job, he addressed, he addressed, Okay, shit, he addressed to push a shit, addressed, so he dressed, the.

Kids and all of that.

You don't see why now things will be different for Drake and who he decides to sit next to and.

Talk to, for sure.

But I'm not trying to make this a Drake thing.

I'm going off what Drake was saying about ushering in this idea of all artists kind of going this route to some degree.

Now, yeah, they don't want to sit down with the same old, same old.

They don't want to sit down and have the same curated conversations.

They'd rather sit down with somebody that knows them in a different light, has the more of a personal connection to them, and they could have a fun, cool conversation.

Kan Nikky didn't know each other at all.

Well, no, it's not that they not that they knew each other, but it was just polar opposite worlds.

It was too So it's like, okay, it's but he's saying that I made it cool for it not to be the same old, formal sit down type of thing where you go and sit down with these people that have again these curated questions and these conversations.

It's like, people don't want to do that old time.

Yeah, I understand it.

But these these same people that they're saying, oh, we want them, they've sat down with these people before and had conversations with them.

But everyone's speaking specifically based off what has happened.

Yes, because everybody wants to hear from Drake now everybody wants to ask him about the beef and what happened.

Of course we get it, But do people not understand how he would not ever want to sit down with any of you niggas?

Again, for sure, nobody sees that in this equation of course, Oh okay, that's what I'm asking.

How do how people so surprised?

Again and being completely objective in this, I liked to Kendrick, but I still want to hear from Kenrick.

I want Kendrick to somebody like I have questions.

It's not just him.

You have questions now, I have questions.

Yeah, yeah, why would That's not a weird thing for a fan to want?

No all, I'm not saying as well.

I'm just saying it's way for fans to not understand why Drake doesn't want to sit next to the spem.

To me, that's weird.

But I don't think fans don't not understand.

And also, no, they don't care.

Yeah, no, they don't care.

It's not it's not that they don't understand.

And honestly, I'm not I don't think that the fans are crazy for thinking that there's a little bit of a dodge of not wanting to talk about certain things.

Yes, we want to do more fun interviews and curated interviews can be boring, this, this and that.

But there's also so many different types of creators who have a different interview type platforms that before Bobby Altoff became the thing, or honestly before Drake made her the thing.

Like, there's other people who aren't the traditional people or people that Drake might have stabbed him in his back during this beef, Newer, younger people who are you know what I'm saying, who are doing things that he can also sit with, who but who would also ask him questions They might not be super curated, but who would also ask him certain questions that I just don't think that he's prepared to answer.

So I just don't want it to I just one second.

I don't want it to just be I just one second.

I don't want the conversation to just be Drake just wants to do fun stuff, and he also doesn't want to sit with fake niggas.

There is also the point of there's certain shit when it comes to that battle because of the outcome of it and things like that that Drake just doesn't want to talk about That's okay, But that doesn't mean.

That people about it.

Why you say he doesn't want to talk about.

It, I'm what I'm saying is that people are assuming that he doesn't want to talk about Let me let.

Me say this, people's assumptions and what is two differ.

But you can you can have a safe assumption that when you just throw small little comments on streams anytime, you just stake ship, when you talk with Aiden, when you talk with because he made little shots and the Bobby shit too.

It's like it's like the first time you saw Marlowe in the wire and do had the gun of the head.

He said, do it or don't?

But I got ship to do, like either either talk about it or shut up about it?

Is I think I will.

But the fans makes the entitlement thing.

But yeah, fans are entitled.

I'm an entitled fan sometimes.

But again that's that's again that's a problem though, because on one hand you're entitled, But on the other hand, we know no matter who he sits now with, no matter what questions he asked, no matter what answers he gives, people are still going to have a problem.

Sure, So what the fuck is the rush to like what are we talking?

Rush?

No, but what does the fans rush to want him to sit down with whoever they want to announce?

What do you want about it?

I think he eventually is going to do a real interview with somebody, but when he wants to know.

I think when the album comes out, they'll do.

That when he wants to.

So I don't understand saying I actually enjoyed the interview.

I also don't think.

I don't.

I don't think that.

I do think when the album comes that he'll sit and talk about that.

I actually don't think.

I think you don't think he'll ever talk about that.

I don't.

I didn't say ever, but I don't think that when the album comes, I don't think he'll talk about it.

I could be wrong, I'm not.

I do not know Dregspine, but I don't think he will.

I mean, he doesn't need to, like, he doesn't need to use that as a roll out quote unquote like that.

Clearly he doesn't need that.

But if you don't think that he's gonna sit down one day in address, I mean, I think he said it at the end of the thing.

Didn't he say like like i' we're gonna get to it.

I'm gonna we're gonna I'm gonna see you guys.

Like so he basically is letting it me know that.

No, we're gonna get to that.

I thought that was for the album.

Yeah, I assumed he was.

No, he said I'm gonna see you guys.

Yeah.

Yeah, but I'm talking about through the music whatever.

Well okay, well what everybody is assuming is that that was a teaser for the album.

Don't.

He doesn't need it to the album.

We know the album was coming.

No, that was I'm on tour right now, because I think didn't Bobby ask him something about why is he doing the US tour and he was like, well, I just finished the US tour when the whole thing started.

I was still on tour actually when that thing started, and now I'm on a European tour.

Like, but we're gonna do that.

He's gonna get back to touring the US.

Like my thing is, people are just so he needs to sit down with this.

Why does it matter?

He could sit down with whoever I wanted to sit down with.

No matter what he says, I can promise you there's going to be a million videos uploaded after the interview saying, Oh, why didn't he address Oh, I think he's lying about that he didn't feel that way.

I mean, I understand that, but he's not special in that regard because that's what every celebrity.

Every single time a celebrity opens their mouth and they have a certain amount of popularity, anything that they say is going to be either clickbaited or turned around or used for a headline.

That's just part of being a celebrity.

But I think the conversation that people are having is you're sitting up there talking about certain things with someone that is not of the culture because they don't even know what questions to ask you.

And I think that that is the backlash that may become a that doing an interview with Bobby Altoff is fine, Like, I don't think anybody has a problem with him doing that.

It's just you doing your your Your attention is going to Bobby Altoff and Aiden Ross and all of these people who are not of the culture of music that kind of really birthed your career.

So I think that that maybe what people have an issue with.

I don't think it's that he's doing interviews with them.

I think that he's own it's because he's only doing interviews with them when there are plenty of young black creators or you know what I'm saying, and things like that, or streamers or things like that.

Right, you strike me as an intelligent woman.

Do you think that that's purpose, that's that's on purpose that he's doing it.

I don't give my opinion on Drake anymore, but I have my opinion on drink anymore.

But I do think that because I don't say, to answer you gave with the CARDI ship, I'm stealing that.

Yeah, anything I say about Drake will be used against me in a quarter of law.

But what I want, what I will say is this.

I think that Drake is very very very very very very smart, and I think that he likes a certain level of control when it comes to things.

And I think if he's not ready to talk about something, it will not be talked about and he will not be asked about it.

And I think that that is what is going on.

But I don't think that there's anything wrong with it.

But yes, yes, to answer your question, yes.

That's not purpose.

Yes, that's not purpose.

Yeah.

So I mean, I just you know, again people being upset because he's not sitting down with whoever.

I just I don't remember a time again, I'm a little older, y'all.

Not once during the whole POC Big Biggie beef that I ever say, Yo, this.

Nigga POC need to sit down with this person and talk about that.

I don't give a fuck to hear about none of these niggas talk about a rat beef.

Well, okay, don't do that.

Because the Jay and no shit Jay sat with Angie.

You can find that you.

Who said he who was sitting there saying, Yo, Jay gotta sit down with Angie and talk about this.

Who's saying that nobody even cared about shit like that?

Well, this is when it comes to like fucking mediatis.

At that time, nobody had everyone had it was.

It wasn't nobody.

Will you think anyone wanted to after ether, Nobody wanted to hear from Hove.

Of course no.

We wanted to hear records, We wanted to hear bars, and nobody was asking for an interview.

This, this interview ship wasn't like this is a whole.

New world, this interview ship.

This is now.

We're thirteen years old, I nobody cared about what we were doing when Jay sat with Angie.

Of course you did.

Let me care about it happened.

You wasn't at home and Queen saying Jay Z needs to sit down and talk to somebody about this beef.

You wasn't saying that.

You came out.

Because you didn't have to beg for the interviews.

You didn't have to bet, You didn't have to say this needs to happen, This needs to happen because you knew that it would happen.

No, you didn't.

It wasn't even a thought, Trust me, I was really out.

That was nothing.

Nobody was thinking about an interview.

Niggas wanted to hear raps Okay, even though you're right, I was not sitting there going Jay needs to talk to Angie.

But you don't think that whole thought in his mind, with all of the fans that hurt ether and the chatter that was going around the entire country, I need to go sit with Angie.

That's what he was thinking, saying a thing that people wanted.

He wouldn't have done it.

He needs He was sitting there like listen.

Listen.

First of all, through the whole fucking thing too.

It was, first of all, the way the thing ended.

Jay gave a reason of why he was backing out of the thing.

His mom had stepped to him like the energy.

So it was a whole thing.

But nobody nowhere on no Block was saying, yo, I can't wait for the jay Z interview when he talks about this.

I can't wait for the BBC or the Jada Kiss interview when they talk about this.

That this is a whole new thing with rap.

Now you want to hear interviews about him you're talking about you're talking about jay Z.

Wasn't on State doing a stream every goddamn night.

Of course he wasn't, because he wasn't would have stated number So number one.

First of all, there's most sposal things.

Number one, like Rory just said, the times have changed and we consume more media, and we expect more out of our celebrities, right, whether that's good or bad whatever, that's one thing.

Number two is just because the niggas on the block weren't waiting for the interview does not mean that music journalist.

But who have we figured out what culture is yet?

Yeah?

Me, yeah, I know exactly what culture.

Okay, that's convenient because we've asked before.

Nobody knew, but people who care about music journalism because that has also always been a thing, just because it was not your thing, that has also always been a thing.

There were people who waited for the interviews that came out in the source, who weren't just there for the pretty pictures and the fat and the ads.

There were people who waited for shit like that.

There were people who really cared about shit like that.

That's how the blog era was beefed.

I mean was born from people who were in love with shit like that.

So, yes, people did care about those things.

No niggas on the block.

No they Yes, interviews are always a thing.

When they made the politic wig shit, what it was the Vibe cover is what popped the whole shit off.

It was media was popped doing the interview.

I'm not saying that weren't also scrapped one because everyone hear from podkist.

I'm not going to saying that interviews weren't always a part of culture and music and things like that.

Yes, artists have always given interviews.

Yes, I understand that what I'm saying is coming out of a beef with another artist, another rapper.

Nobody was asking or saying, yo, why this person needs this artist needs to sit down to talk about this.

That wasn't a thing until now, and I understand toms have changed.

What I'm saying is you can't expect an artists to do the things that or sit down with who you want them to sit down with when you want them to sit down with, especially coming out of the situation that this particular artist is coming out of, and not try to understand well them.

I can see why he ain't he doing his own thing and moving on how he want to.

He don't give a fuck about the culture anymore because he sees what the culture tried to do to him.

Can people are people not missing that part?

At the end of the.

Day, it doesn't matter.

Drake is gonna do whatever the fucking he wants to do, and he has the freedom to do that.

He doesn't owe us anything.

He's given us so much he does.

Oh, he doesn't want to be culture vulture anymore.

So you sat down with a white girl.

Okay, he doesn't have he doesn't have to he doesn't have to work, he doesn't.

Have to be a culture vulture.

It's actually funny he's taught to being a culture vulture, so he sits down with the white girl.

That's actually pretty funny.

I'm just saying, no, it's funny.

Oh okay, okay,