All right, let's get at drivetime Tuesday afternoon, eleven minutes past the hour of two o'clock.

Lovely day outside.

It's warm, it's about eighty eight degrees and clear and sunny here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah.

And as it is every single day, it's going to have you along for the ride.

Spence checkets behind the mic.

That is Porter Larsen behind the glass producing the program today.

Happy Tuesday to you.

Hope you're off to a great start to that work week.

As we are inching closer and closer to the weekend and closer and closer to college football.

It's game week in college football.

It's week zero, gets going this weekend, and of course it will be next weekend where we see the local teams in action.

All three teams playing on the same day with some staggered start time, so we'll be able to get a little funky with the DVR to be able to watch as much as we can.

Of course, Utah will be at the Rose BOWLT to take on UCLA.

BYU will host Portland Stay, while Utah Stay will host Utah.

And today this morning, we have some cores from both BYU and Utah will get to Bart Bachmeyer is going to make history as the first BYU true freshman to start an opener.

He will be the seventh true freshman to see action under center for the Cougars, but the first all time to start the opener, which he will do against Portland State, and he will wear number forty seven.

It's gonna look really weird.

Bear was a running back and a linebacker in high school and so that was the number he kind of latched onto.

His brother, Tiger is a wide receiver for Brigham Young in the rotation.

So BYU names their starter, Pete Damo from ESPN was the first to report it, and then Utah has named their QB two.

Isaac Wilson, who saw action in nine games last year with seven starts, will back up Devin Dampier, Bert Ficklin QB three.

So Coach Witt announcing QB two, Klonie Satake announcing QB one.

We'll get into the news of the day today and kind of let you know what it means for both of these programs.

Ryan Smith is currently holding a press conference.

Got an email this morning.

I have no idea what it's about.

Maybe he's gonna talk about the single national televised game the Jazz haveth on their schedule this year.

I don't know, so kind of interesting because we don't hear from him all that often.

So if anything of note comes down as a result to the press conference that's going on right now with Ryan Smith, we'll bring that to you on the show today.

NFL preseason the weekend wrapped up with some Monday Night football.

Last night.

It was the Bengals and the Commanders.

The Bengals offense is gonna be on the field a lot this year.

They still can't stop anybody.

But we are high speed ahead the preseason Week three and that will start on Thursday with a NFL Network Prime video double dip.

It'll be the Steelers and the Panthers, then the Patriots and the Giants, a couple of well actually four Friday games, and then you'll spill over the weekend.

Week one of the NFL starts September the fourth with a Thursday night game in Philly between the Cowboys and the Eagles.

So NFL football almost here right around the corner.

RSL is back at action this weekend.

It is a home match against Minnesota and is probably a must win if We're being honest.

After two straight els to get back close to the playoff line, eight matches left two point shy of a playoff spot, and so hopefully Rawan Cruz is able to kind of ingratiate himself a little bit and the Olatunji kid can get going because they need some juice for this weekend's match at America First Field and Sandy against Minnesota.

Daniel Jones will be your starter for the Colts over Anthony Richardson and the fighting Irish.

Notre Dame has their starting quarterback as well.

A bunch of quarterback news broke a little bit earlier today in both college and pro football.

So it's that time of year where you have to have everything kind of dialed in.

We're gonna bring you some sound from camp Kyle from training camp for the University of Utah.

It's their third week of a four week stint.

Coach went announcing he will not release a depth chart.

We thought our guy would find a way to circumvent the new mandates where you're supposed to report injuries both three days prior to the game and then ninety minutes prior to kick.

So we'll let Kyle explain himself on the program today.

He addressed the media a little bit earlier some media availability for the University of Utah.

Devin Dan Pierce says he has eight seconds in the pocket at times without off offensive line for the University of Utah.

So some sound from camp today, as we often want to do on the program during fall camp.

Our first guest will be Sean Sayad.

We're gonna play your sound from camp right out of the gates coming up after our first break.

Then Sean Sayed will stop by to talk NFL from SUMER Sports.

Always enjoy catching up with Sean.

Pablo Masteroinni, the head coach or the manager if you will for RSL, will join us at three point thirty today.

I'm sure Pablo has some things to get off his chest after another game where the whistles didn't go their way.

I'm not usually a blame the refs guy, but it feels like RSL has been pretty hard done this year when it comes to officiating Major League Soccer.

One of the best to ever do it at the University of Utah, Scott Mitchell.

We'll stop by the program today and then we will welcome in Dave Fox Live and Studio.

I will be on TV with Dave tonight at ten thirty five.

We call it five Questions with Spence.

It is steeped in college football, as the openers are right around the corner.

And some quarterback news broke earlier today.

So we'll have Sean Sayad, We'll have Pablo of Ask Your Money, we have Scott Mitchell, we have Dave Fox, me Spence Check.

Its all of you, the great listeners, and that guy Porter Larssen producing the show.

Eight an eight second pocket, Like, dude, you could play quarterback and we'd be okay if you have eight seconds in the pocket.

Well, to be clear, I throw eight interceptions, but I could get some I could get some bombs off.

I could get the ball down field.

Uh you know extends, some plays have some fun.

But I would throw a bunch of picks too, you know, just to be clear.

Its wild yesterday.

I was just you know, because the offensive line for the utes is getting all the attention, which is good.

I mean, you gotta have you gotta have things dialed into the trenches.

Michael Milkafisi has thirty three starts and we don't even talk about him.

Yeah, it's all spencer.

It's all klab.

Jaron's a captain, and Michael has thirty three starts under his belt.

Like probably the fourth most important quote unquote offensive lineman is one of the high you know, the longest tenured old line.

And he's moved around a little bit, right.

He's one of those interior guys that here's the deal.

If you're an interior old lineman, you don't want to hear your name very much because that usually means you're holding your false start right.

Every once in a while, maybe you're pulling and getting outside and getting a highlight block, but for the most part, yeah, you're doing your job if we don't hear much about you because you're just kind of handling stuff the middle.

And Michael Mokafisi does that really well.

He's done it for quite a while.

And uh yeah, we've talked to folks who, yes, Lomu and Funo, but the three others in that in that offensive line room are guys that NFL scouts are at least looking at.

I'm not saying they're gonna be NFL starters.

They're not gonna be first round picks like the two guys on the edge, but that's it's a really really good unit.

And Jim Harding I got seat and the crew or they're really confident in what they can do.

No doubt, no doubt.

So it is here.

College football is here.

It is game week for week zero and then next week it'll be game week on the station as U Tai heads to the Rose Bowl to take on the UCLA Bruins.

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All right, big news today regarding both BYU and Utah history will be made in Provo as young Bear Bachmeier, a true freshman, is your starting quarterback for the BYU Cougars.

Now.

Bear won the job as he went head to head against McKay Hillstead, who has eight starts under his belts up at Utah State before transferring down to Provo.

And this is really really interesting for a lot of reasons.

Bear was not present for spring ball.

He was at Stanford.

Bear was not present during the summer.

He transferred just in time for fall camp.

And so I think that, combined with the fact that he is literally a true freshman.

Probably, and certainly I'll speak for myself, I thought it was gonna be McKay because he had the experience.

But it was interesting as I listened to a Rod front of the show, Aaron Roderick, offensive coordinator for BYU, he started to tip his hand a little bit in a way that you just kind of had to pay attention and then listen and kind of understand.

Look, when it comes to coach speak like part of me did you know, part of me does believe it.

I don't have anything to back this up.

This is just an opinion of mine.

Every time coach Wit or Coach Beck was asked about Bird Ficklin, they took the opportunity to really heap a lot of praise on Bird, and part of me wondered if that was a message to Isaac, like, you have to step up and win this backup job.

Devon's our guy, but if you want to be QB two, you're gonna have to step up because you have some competition with this young man Bird Ficklin, and Isaac did enough to win the job.

He is the backup quarterback of the University of Utah.

So you kind of have to listen to what coaches I have to say and then do your own, you know, lost in translation to try to figure out exactly what's going on.

But a Rod complimented the intelligence and the decision making of Bear Bachmeier very early on in camp in a way that he wasn't as effusive with his praise for Trayson Borgay or McKay Hillstead.

He just and part of me wonder, like, Okay, are you building up your young freshmen to keep them in the mix, keep them in the race.

But no, like all of these platitudes that seem to be coming out of camp for BYU turned out to be true.

And then, for what it's worth, on social media, people that are down there in a way that we're not because we're in Salt Lake and I wouldn't go to Provo for pretty much anything.

Respectfully, it's the traffic and some other things.

But the people that are down there on the ground, boots on the ground, were effusive with their praise for Bear, who, as a true freshman, will be the first to get the start in the home opener.

I should just say the opener for BYU.

It's never happened before for a athletic department of football program that's had a ton of great quarterbacks, Hall of Fame quarterbacks, NFL Super Bowl winners, MVPs and such.

You guys know the list.

Crazy that it is bar Bachmeyer to be the first true freshman to get the start in the opener.

Now, he's the seventh true freshman to see action for BYU, but the first to get the start in the opener will wear number forty seven, which is just going to look weird.

It's not a quarterback number.

Bear was a running back and a linebacker when he was younger and latched out of that number, and he's going to wear it to play quarterback for BYU.

He is an Asian American.

It is the first Asian American to get the start for BYU.

In the past five years, BYU has had their first African American starter and Jaron Hall, their first Jewish starter in Jake Rhetzlath, and now their first Catholic Asian American starter in Bar Bachmeyer.

Kind of an interesting dynamic for an institution, how shall I say, maybe not known for diversity, to put it lightly, to put it gently, so just kind of an interesting thing.

He's a pretty impressive kid.

When you hear him interviewed, you can tell that the IQ was there.

Of course, went to Stanford, obviously has a good academic category.

His brother, Tiger is a wide receiver for BYU in the rotation, so we'll have a Bear to Tiger call.

Here's my question.

Their older brother is Hank.

What happened there?

Hank Bachmeyer was the starting quarterback for Boise State for a while.

Like, did the parents have some sort of experience in nature where they just decided to name their younger children after animals.

It's like it's Hank, it's Bear and Tiger.

They must have had some sort of into the wild experience where they just latched onto animal names.

I need to go back and find the media availability was early.

It might have been even in like right when he got to BYU.

But he did answer this question at least in part.

From what I understand, all of the names Hank, Tiger, and Bear are like a family thing before these guys, before their parents.

So I gotta go at least see the details.

But I think that's the that's the case.

The only thing that is going it well, one of the more i'll just say annoying elements of this is going to be all the dopey puns that are BYU bros.

Use like I'm going to bear my testimony, let's bear witness.

Oh there you go.

Get ready for all of that, man, Get ready for our guy Spencer Lynton, our friends that are goobs down in Provo.

They are going to lean in to all the dumb puns with Bear under center, and it's just going to be maddening, but happy for the kid.

It's a really cool thing.

As I've been talking about during this race, I am of the opinion that if it's even kind of close at all, I just go with the kid.

You know, they got the Rider Lions kid coming in.

He's serving a mission, I think, but it's like a short mission.

I'm not familiar with how that works.

When I was young, guys would go on missions and you'd be like, Okay, well I'll never see him again, and now it's like a year, year and a half thing or something.

I'm not really sure how that works.

But Bears a freshman, so is he around for a couple of years playing that position before Rider's ready?

They've got another quarterback on a mission who's going to come home and be in the mix.

So if you're a BYU fan, I think you've got to feel pretty good that both the president and the future of that position will be played by very young, talented players.

Now he's never done this before, and just like I've been skeptical about what Devin's going to look like under center in Big twelve play just because I haven't seen it, I'll be skeptical about what Bear's going to look like as a true freshman he's built differently than either McKay or Trayson.

He's bigger, he's stronger, and he does pop on film.

When you look at it, you can tell that there's a lot of talent there.

So Isaac Wilson, QB two at the University of Utah last year.

Isaac saw action in nine games.

He started seven, had fifteen hundred passing yards, completed fifty six percent of his passes, ten touchdowns, eleven picks, a rating of one seventeen.

Obviously not awesome numbers.

It was a difficult situation, of course, his Cameron just couldn't stay healthy.

Isaac was thrust into action probably before he was ready for that stage, by his own admission, if you listen to some of his postgame press conference availability.

But maybe the blessed in disguise and certainly did not manifest itself in the moment.

But maybe the blessing in disguise of Cameron's health issues is that now Utah has a backup quarterback in the fold that understands big twelve play, that has big twelve experience, that's played in nine conference here excoose me nine games with seven starts, and was thrust in under some really big lights and certainly had some moments.

I think the narrative is that it was just like a train wreck.

It wasn't that it wasn't good.

Needed to be better for Utah to win some games, certainly, but blessing in disguise, Isaac got experienced last year.

In the case and I'm knocking on wood, we all want devn to stay healthy all year long.

But in the case that Devin's got to miss a little time or whatever, you should feel good.

Did Isaac Wilson, with the big twelve experience in his pocket can step in and play some good football.

I feel that is there an echo going on, Oh there we go?

So there you go.

And also we'll let hear from Devin Dampierre coming up in just a bit.

Devin referenced earlier today that at times he has eight seconds in the pocket behind this offensive line.

So for all the attention on the quarterback position, because it is the most important position in this game, you got to feel good about whoever's under center, with the big boys up front giving the quarterbacks that type of time to find their receivers and their weapons.

So two big pieces of news today.

Bar Bachmeiers, your starter at Brigham Young and Isaac Wilson as your backup at the University of Utah.

All right, we'll catch a quick break coming up.

On the other side, you'll hear from coach Witt talking about his decision to not release depth charts to circumvent the mandate that you have to report injuries now both three days prior to the game and ninety minutes prior to kick figure our guy would figure out a way to get around it, and he did.

Well.

Let him explain that to you.

Let you hear from Devin Dan Pierre talking about that offensive line as well.

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Got Sean Sayad stop him by today to do some NFL get you ready for your fantasy football drafts porter, What is the date of your your first fantasy football draft?

I think like December December thirty first, Oh, that's right.

We need the annual reminder that Porter doesn't like fun things.

I'll do like the playoff one, right, or you just like pick the best players and no, I probably won't do any of the suits.

Oh I know, I know that you won't.

Is it sorry, I'm not fun?

No, there's a tin of hubris when we talk about that.

It feels like you think for me, Yeah, you think you're you think you're too good for fantasy.

Should be running a real football team.

That's that's what I think.

So uh, No, I have a little confidence in yourself.

I think what what it is is it is a little bit like where I want to see it.

There's a problem with me where like if I am building a team, I want to see it out there.

I don't want to watch this player in that player.

So like I I'll go on Madden and I'll create a team and I'll do the GM thing when it comes to on a Sunday, I don't want to have like different cheering allegiances already conflicting my very difficult emotional navigation that happens on Sundays.

Right, Being a Cowboys fan, it puts you in a interesting place mentally on Sundays, and you just gotta you gotta keep it mellow, you gotta keep it even keel, or you may go insane.

Spencer, it does make you less of a fan.

Okay, I will change it.

I will concede that.

And I felt as dirty as I've ever felt one year when Tom Brady was my quarterback and the Patriots were playing the Jets like weeks week sixteen.

Of course, the Jets were out of it because they're the Jets.

But I needed Tom, who I abhor as a quarterback and as a human because he's corny.

You can tell me Brady's great.

You can't tell me he's he's cool, as I've said for years.

You can tell me he's great, and that's fine.

The numbers are there, but you can't tell me he's cool.

But I needed like twenty five points from Tom.

So I felt extremely dirty cheering for Tom Brady against my New York Jets.

You're not wrong there.

It makes you less of a fan.

That's That's kind of.

Where it really bothered me.

And then you know, once you start really doing it, everyone's gonna want to do the money thing, and I just I want to stay away from that when it comes to sports as much as possible, shout out to price Pixel indeed, But other.

Than that, yeah, I want to veer away from that part of sports.

Okay, fair enough.

And I am in three leagues this year, which is more than I usually do.

But I have an old school league with my buddies from college.

This is like, you're twenty eight, We can't like, I can't quit it now.

Started an RSL league in two thousand and four that's still going.

Our guy Elliott's in and we kicked Tray out years ago and then two was enough.

But my little nephew decided to start a league and he's like, uncle Spencer, will you play in our league.

It's all my nephews and my brothers and my son.

There's twelve of us and you can't say no, no, not at all.

That's and honestly, I don't even try in that league because I just want to be connected to my family.

I let the like the young ones win.

So I have in three leagues this year.

Nobody gives a riff about my fantasy football career.

Uh, so we will move on.

We are going to bring in Sean Saia at the talks NFL, and maybe we'll do some fantasy with Sean gets you ready for your drafts.

Scott Mitchell, Dave Fox, Pablo mash Dot.

He got a busy show.

But as we are wont to do during fall camp, every time there is notable sound up on the hill, we bring it to you.

So we'll start with the headball coach himself.

Here is coach Wit.

You had your second scrimmage.

How's everything going?

How's the depth charge shaking up?

It's it's shaped up.

We probably won't release one though with the new uh what do you call it a health rule or you know, the rule of the Big twelve.

But that's that's really all we'll release each week is this who's available who's not?

But I can't tell you that.

Isaac Wilson is number two right now and Bert chick one will have a role as an interfere a portion of the offense.

To able to have a life to them.

But I think we're pretty well set, uh in a's position, and uh you know who the you know the travelers are, who the scop to you guys are and twelve days out and it's time to really focus and hone in on the seiling.

What are your thoughts on the big call?

Just a main dat an injury report, anything like keeping over as close to your that's for the past month.

What's your faults are?

Yeah, well, adhere to it.

It's not it's not a problem at all.

I kind of wish the power forward is home and saying hey, which means conference did not be understand that.

I don't know why we can't get together and run the uniform injury report or whatever you call it.

But sure we'll uh, you know, we'll uh adhere to the rule.

Uh the way I understand it.

It doesn't count or really want a place for non conference tame.

So you're facing a conference opponent, So uh we'll h fill the paper out or whatever the procedure is.

How we haven't anything about the special is this call?

How have they been performing supart?

You know they had a good day today.

It's been uh a little bit radic some some positive days, not so good days.

But Dylan Curtis, our place kicker, was one hundred percent today.

And he's got a strong leg.

You know, he's he has, without questions, got the strongest.

Leg and were avenue.

Now Matt Gay might take exception to that the philoffs.

But but this guy hit a sixty five yard here and practice with no problem, and so it was.

But he's a freshman.

He's never kicked im in the quid light, so my guess is it hands up pretty well.

But he has not kicked in a college football game.

So we don't want to get an end of ourselves.

But as far as leg strengtheners, that Bryan our punter, he's has had a little bit of a sore leg during the course of camp, so he was shut down for a little bit of time and now he's back and looks like he's gonna be able to do a good job for us.

Kyle, how does the ko Johnson?

How's it up?

Yeah, that's great.

He's uh mcaptain the secondary back there and smith Snowden Uh, he's everything you want in free safety.

He's a good top player.

He's got range, he's got instincts, he takes good angles on the ball.

He's got a good ball skills.

He was a receiver when he.

Came here, so's he's certainly very truthful as a ball catcher.

So he's he's got side.

He's got six to two with about two hundred pounds.

So he's ling back.

Have you just seen that gradual from him?

Every year ever since he got here, he's taking a step forward each year.

And uh, you know, but I can't remember when we moved him.

I think it was after the freshman year we moved into safety.

But when we recruited then we had that nine who may end up on the outside of the wall.

I think he's running in the white spot where he wrote A John.

Where do you feel like is a Ki has improved this all season?

Decision making is clocking head, you know, getting the ball out quicker and not holding on to it.

Was long accuracy virtually across the borders.

When really all those game reps he had last year, you know, are paying the bands now that you know there's really no substitute for game reps, and he's that's the that's the big thing that we are going for him in that battle against Bert fifty because he's had reps at this level and.

Burn how's the wide receiver battleship out?

Good?

Good?

We know who the guys are and I feel like we've got to five or six guys and really be in the mix and add to what we're doing.

So after we received news porter that the Big twelve was following in Locksteff with the ACC, the SEC and the Big ten the other three P four conferences that they would mandate injury reports.

And look, this is their layers to this.

It's not just for transparency.

And I would encourage and I'll look up the rider to give them the credit.

The Athletic did this really really good deep dive on how these college athletes are being harassed by degenerate gamblers who decide to mortgage the house to try to double down on a bunch of cash and then they lose it and then their lives fall apart.

Well, that's a you problem.

So what this does.

And look, I always point to the interview that Bill did with Cam last year where I felt like Cam finally was like I have to talk publicly so people will get off my back.

Some of the treatment Cam Rising received in our market was embarrassing, if I'm honest, as a result of a young man who just couldn't stay healthy, not his fault.

I mean, it was kind of like when Carlos Boozer was here with the Jazz, like he was hurt all the time, and it was frustrating because when he was playing, he was awesome.

But what this does away with, well, hopefully, what this at least tempers, is the harassment that these young men receive from idiots online.

They decide to gamble, and then five minutes before our kick it's announced that Cam's not playing.

It's like, well, wait a second, I know I'm gonna lose my shirt.

So there are several reasons why this makes sense.

But you knew at some point Kyle was going to figure out a way just to circumvent the mandate a little bit.

And this is not entirely what that is, but it's something like it.

It's gamesmanship from coach wit Well.

And it's gamesmanship, but it's also Kyle just not having any real negotiation on knowing that even if it's a slight edge, even if it's a millimeter, even if it's a centimeter, he's going to play by the rules played by the book, but only right up to the line.

Right, there's a language in the Big Twelve injury report that says probable, it says questionable, right, And for Kyle Whittingham, I almost jokingly right when the Big Twelve released that I tweeted out I can't wait for coach Witt to put questionable and probable on every player on the roster and just call it good, right because technically, well, any one of them could or could not play.

Yeah, you could do that, right, We might see that, you know.

I was kind of joking there, But it's something where Kyle is not gonna tip his hand if he doesn't have to, and especially when it's not uniform across the country, He's going to only go right up to the line that he has to and then he's asked to What it does is it puts the onus.

It puts the responsibility now on the schools on the conference rather than those players, which I do like.

But yeah, to think that Kyle, the guy who runs his heaviest, slowest player out on substitution shifts when the play clock is running out, to think that he's not going to try to find every little inch, every little advantage, whether you think it's an advantage or not, whether it is an advantage or not, he's gonna try it, right, And if he can go into a game with the opponent not totally knowing who is playing, he's going to find a way to give them less clarity On that other side, I will.

Miss the depth charts, though I enjoy when we receive the depth charts.

I mean, I understand that it's not important what we get.

It's more important for Utah football to win games, right, but at least it gives you an idea of where they're at a little bit.

Now none of us are going to know week to week.

My favorite part was that.

It may have been last year of the year before we were all just clamoring for a depth chart.

I think it was after the pandemic.

There had been no football forever, and Kyle just released one that said or next to like every position.

Yep, kind of the same story, right, Like you're gonna get what the letter of the law says.

Kyle's not gonna give you more, and you shouldn't expect it.

And it's not like a personal dig.

It's not because he's trying to be rude or funny.

It's just because he's he's doing his job and then letting everything else to someone else.

The best coaches in any sport will do everything they can in a very maniacal way to find an advantage.

I mean it was Bill Bill Belichick cheated, straight cheated, on multiple occasions with spygate deflate gate.

You're gonna do everything you can, and sometimes you'll even go over the line to give yourself a competitive advantage because results equals job security.

Job security equals generational wealth.

Like, there's a lot at stake here.

I understand it, but I will miss the depth charts.

I just want to be clear.

Yeah, the depth charts are nice.

The depth charts are nice.

But yeah, like you said, at least there's no like destroying cell phones.

Right, you get caught doing something, it's a little different gamesmanship, but gamesmanship none the less.

No out, So there you go.

We'll continue with our sound from you practice, and let me remind you that if you're looking for any sound from youth practice, whether it's this week or a couple of weeks ago, or even all the way back to spring, our website has all of it.

It's ESPN seven hundred sports dot com.

Before we catch a break, some interesting stuff from QB one, here's Devin Dampier.

Devin Kyle said that Isaac's going to be your backup this year.

How do you feel about him and kind of what you're seeing from him?

Yeah, you know, obviously I think they had a great competition coming up.

You know it took all this time for them to pickle them.

Sol.

I mean, our room is deep and I'm happy Isaac.

Will you know when that spot and I'm confident if he goes in there, he's gonna do his say.

When you look at this offense, where do you feel like you can have the most success?

Definitely in the area in the ring game, I mean our old line when you when you're able to depend on.

The front, you can do a lot of things.

I expect the holes to be really big and I expect to have time back there in the pass game, so that makes my job really easy.

How have your wide receivers look very good?

Uh?

Even even from the summer, a lot of new guys came and you know we're working by ourselves without the coaches there, so you know, tremendous strides were clicking a lot more better.

And uh yeah, definitely couples wanting to work into those offers and now that people basically full fall camp.

But do Bell, what do you feel like you've just.

Proved in that?

Yeah, just knowing when to take campas and win I too, and uh, you know, being able to use my legs when I need to as well, Uh snap forcing the balls that I was forcing last year.

How much just facing and lining up against this defense making even better under center?

Yeah, it's it's so hard to tell people, like how much are you appreciate that?

Because it's in there like in the game.

It's a lot easier than you know what I've been going again, so exactly a huge help.

For sure, you have a lot of offensive weapons.

Who stood out the most.

Of small man, I really can't single that one, but uh, I mean the receiver group definitely stepped up for sure.

Uh, they definitely deserve their credit.

And uh, you know I thought they did well.

All right, we're learning we're wearing a spider Man here.

What's the kind of message behind on that.

I know you're gonna post a lot about fider Man social media.

Well, yeah, just my Spidey sensing to be going on on the field.

You know, that's why I won't get back.

But there's so many of them.

I think Larry talks about how this summer was difficult, as you know, receivers trying everything's going.

Can you guys speak to kind of you know, how that can help you?

Guys?

This year as you do move forward and building that connection with these guys.

Yeah, just building that connection again.

You know, every team's not every team doesn't play the same defense.

So just being able to go out there and you get different coverages and you know what each other is gonna do.

You know, that's the best way to click as a quarterback to a receiver.

That perfect.

What's more question, the.

Best thing about the offense line.

You know, there's there's been a.

Couple of practices where I've probably had about.

Eight seconds in the in the pocket, so you.

Know, to have that much time to throw the ball, I mean, we're gonna have a lot of completions this year.

All right, there you go.

I mean the main takeaway porter continues to be every opportunity anybody has to bring up how rock solid this offensive line appears to be.

Spencer Fano also addressed the media today.

You can hear you can get that on our website ESPN seven hundred sports dot com, and he said they're ten deep.

Now it's fall camp, it's still you know, ten eleven days or so away from a game, so you're gonna hear every coach and every player talk about the confidence they have in their position group, their schemes, you know, their ability to win football games.

That's kind of what this time of year is about.

And that's why sometimes I'll just kind of roll my eyes, like, okay, you know, one of the things I always kind of get a kick out of is like, oh, this team has you know, forty eight returning starters, but they were horrible a year ago.

But maybe you don't want all of those players back if you were bad a year ago.

And so you're going to hear, you know, platitudes, you're gonna hear, you know, some takes about just how locked in everybody is.

And certainly last year the old line just couldn't stay healthy.

And if they would have stayed healthy, I'm sure they would have been just fine.

But when you hear a quarterbacks say at times he has eight seconds in the pocket, Now here's the other thing.

They're not scrimmaging against cal State Fullerton.

They're scrimmaging against a Utah defense that is, you know, projected and anticipated to be one of the top two or three defenses in the conference and was a year ago.

But if those big boys are keeping the Utah front off of Devon for seven eight seconds at a time here there.

You know, I don't even know what to say about that.

Obviously that's beneficial for Devn or Isaac or Wayshan or nclarie or whoever it is.

Yeah, you always wait until live reps with the lines right with the interior.

It's just it's something you really really cannot prognosticate about.

And even when we do have high expectations of offensive lines, there's a chemistry you have to feel out right, there's crowd noise that you don't have during fall camp.

Now you can simulate that a little bit with loud music and speakers and whatnot, but that's something that you get into the Rose Bowl, first game of the year.

It's going to be a different situation than you've had as a group as a tandem, as a five man unit so far.

So you got to see how they react to that.

But from everything we're hearing man and you take the word of especially the defensive lineman.

Those are the guys you ask about the offensive line.

That's why I loved the PAC twelve.

Was it the Morris Trophy where the opposing lineman would vote on the trophy.

I always felt that was like the most deserving Player of an Award because of who voted on it and the defense of linemen up at utase Man, we're not really having much fun going against the ones, and that's what you want to hear.

They're they're not getting the quarterback much.

They're not you know, they're not creating a lot of havoc plays.

Now, yeah, you blowl the whistle wheneveryone when anyone touches Devin dam Pier.

But to be sitting back there, to be comfortable behind that unit long before you've ever kicked off, Uh, that's that's a good sign for Devin dan Peer and the youth RSL has dropped two straight matches and they're back at home coming up against Minnesota.

It is a must win if they want to qualify for the MLS playoffs.

We will bring in Scott Mitchell today, one of the best to ever do it at the University of Utah.

Longtime NFL quarterback Dave Fox stops by a little bit later on as well.

But while we're pretty college football centric on the show and on the station right now, the NFL is right around the corner.

Week one, September fourth, Dallas Philly.

One of our favorite Sean Saiad from sumer spot so on a Tuesday afternoon shot outy Tuesday, Man, how are we doing, censer?

I mean, I cannot tell you how sad I am that the NFL season is here.

I know, I know a lot of college football stuff going on a little bit sooner, but no one can tell me that the season isn't here anymore.

Yep.

I'm with you, man, I'm with you.

Excited for pro football.

We're the home of the University of Utah, so we do a lot of college But let's get into it.

Let's get right to it.

So we'll start with some of the quarterback announcements that I've been made.

Your take on the Colts going with Daniel Jones over Anthony Richardson.

Hello, Sean Center.

Ye sorry, I think that there's a little of the struggles there with really kind of in line of the struggles in Indianapolis.

I'm almost just sad about the situation overall where you have Anthony Richardson of course comes into league with so little experience.

And the tough part is the NFL it's not a developmental league.

You do not come into this league at the quarterback and get chance after chance after chance.

So I personally think, you know, Daniel Jones.

We know a lot about Daniel Jones.

We've seen him play a lot, We've seen him have you know, some good times for a season in New York.

I think that I would be surprised if Anthony Richardson doesn't get any starts through the entire season.

So I don't think his story is totally over.

But it's so tough when you have the just incentives of the league where the head coach and the jam.

Of course you're gonna have to do everything you can to win right now.

You can't always have this three year quarterback plan where you're taking someone with so little experience.

So between Anthony Richardson and of course a different situation but with Trey Lance as well, I think it probably will lead to, you know, teams being discouraged.

I think to drafting some of those really really just high end, physical tool type quarterbacks that are inexperience and maybe it's time to move off of the hey like we can turn everyone into Josh Allen.

You know, Josh Allen's is really a generational quarterback in so many ways.

So again I'm sad about the situation, Like I want Anthony Richardson to be good at football.

I think that he of course, I not good atootball, but just like a quality quality started in this league because I think his ceiling could be so high.

Unfortunately, LEA is so much about your consistency snap after snap after snap, and it seems like he hasn't shown Sinsaken and the cults enough of that yet.

So well, I do think Richardson will have them.

John, you're breaking up a little.

I'm not sure if you're in your vehicle or what have you.

So we'll keep going see if we can keep you on the line as long as you possibly can.

Let's move over to Cleveland, who has seventy five quarterbacks on their roster, including former you Tyler Huntley Shador getting a lot of the attention, but it is forty year old Joe Flapco who will start out of the gates for the Browns.

Are you surprised?

And how long do you think that lasts?

Yeah?

Cleveland is another kind of on one where I guess you're gonna bring four quarterbacks into the regular season.

I can't imagine it lasts, you know, like more than half the season, maybe at most.

I do think to Kevin Spancy Andrewberry.

They want to see, well, what do we have and all of these guys.

If Gabriel jumps ahead, if Tudor jumps ahead, my assumption is that towards the middle of the season we will get time which shoud or Sanders starts starting there, not only if Jill Flacco is not able to stay healthy, but at a certain point, you know, you need to have those guys on the field.

So I think you hope that you're able to bring those guys along, get them ready.

It feels like you, you know, put on a decent showing in that first preseason game against the Panthers.

Of course a lot, so i'm can improve from there.

But I can't imagine that the plan is to start Joe Flacco for every single game this season.

You're offentually gonna want to get those guys live rets where you're able to see, Okay, can we game plan our whole entire offense around this player?

Can we find the different situations that are really going to maximize the quarterbacks talnts at the point, guard, tad quarterback or something else.

So it feels like we can go from Indianapolis to Cleveland you know, just two interesting situations.

I guess center would say at the very least, I think they'll be entertaining.

So you know, we're out here in now what is a big twelve foot print, but formerly the pac twelve foot print.

In four or a few years, Utah and USC played some really high level football games, and under center for the Trojans for a minute was was Caleb was Caleb Williams.

And it's interesting because it feels like the opinions on who he is and what he can be are all across the board.

I've always liked him.

I think there's a lot to like, but it didn't look great as a rookie.

He has a new head coach in Ben Johnson.

You're one in Chicago, and the first preseason game, I thought he looked poised.

I thought he looked solid.

I thought he made some really smart plays.

But it is preseason.

What do you think You're two in Chicago looks like Sean for Caleb Williams and how can Ben Johnson help him out?

Censer.

A lot of people have sold Caleb Williams stuff.

You know, I maybe at some point during the last year and have sold it.

But I think I'm just that buying in and I don't want to push too much.

Where is a preseason game?

What are we really looking at?

But I made this little videos on super Sports YouTube and my Twitter at scize schemes.

But you can just see the details of the offense look so much cleaner than last season.

And that's something I really look for in preseason.

When I'm reviewing the film, you know you're not having the exact game plan or you're not always getting the most disguised look.

But against the Bill, there were some disguised look and Caleb's eyes are going exactly where they need to be.

His mechanics feel a little bit cleaned up.

He is playing so so on time.

To me, Caleb has that in.

But I really do think Ben Johnson is going to be able to elevate that, and again really already did where he makes quarterback lives so much easier.

He streamlined the process.

He gets you looking where you need to look.

He gets your.

Receivers open exactly when they need to be open, and give you answers to different defenses.

So I think if I am which I am buying a little bit of Kalbsack, I do think a lot of it is in Ben Johnson.

And you know, we don't have to write up the number one pick after one year, right, it may take some time.

It's not going to be a situation, I think, where we're gonna have to wait five years to really figure out, right, well, what is the situation.

It may be that this is like a two year kind of rebuild for Ben Johnson, but I have so much belief in him, just in the infrastructure that he'd be able to bring to an NFL offense to get quarterbacks really just seeing exactly what they need to do.

So I'm pretty excited about it.

And I think that that infrastructure that's being created right there, it was it really showed in that early part of that preseason game against the Bills.

I hope that it's able to turn over to the regular season because early on, you know, you're gonna get Ryank Floyds and everything he's gonna throw at you with that Minnesota Vikings defase.

So I'm optimistic.

I'm excited, and that might just be you know, me taking a little bit too much from a preseason game.

Yeah, but that's kind of all we can do right now.

I mean, we'll have you on throughout the course of the NFL season when we actually have real football.

And I know it's difficult to really analyze preseason because of all the dynamics in play, but you did reference the Bills, who the Bears played against, and we've got Dalton King Kid and Cole Bishop, a couple of former uts on that roster.

And you know, you look at the sports books and Buffalo is your favorite along with the Ravens.

Of course, the Eagles and the Chiefs are in there as well.

We'll get to some other teams, but do you agree that Buffalo should be either the favorite or among the top two or three to win the whole thing this year?

They have to be within the top tier just because when you have Josh Allen, it kind of doesn't matter to you're out there playing receiver.

He's going to find a way to really put together a great offense.

I think Joe Brady, the offensive coordinator, he's going to be a hot head coaching name next year as long as they're able to continue having success.

But really, a lot I think a credit should go to the offensive line, where they were able to stay healthy last year.

Both their tackles were solid, solid bookends.

I probably would have the Ravens over the Bills heading into the season because of just some concerns I think on the defensive end for Buffalo, you know, I'm interested to see how many of those pass rushers are really going to be positive impact type players.

I worry a little bit just you know, at the safety spot, are you're going to be able to have consistent, healthy play that is able to cause just an impact And as a defense to an awesome quarterback, you know, you do have to do a little bit less really because the offense is able to carry things so much.

I don't think the Bills are going to be in a situation where, for example, the Bengals were laughed where it's like a historic offense and then a defense that seemingly just can't stop anyone.

But I feel like because of just that that defensive kind of drop off a little bit, maybe a little bit of the just pass catchers overall.

In Buffalo, I think they're having gave Davis in for just like a meeting there.

Maybe they'll bring came back and he's able to kind of spark that as well.

But I don't want to be against Josh Allen, but it feels to me like, you know, the Ravens are are really a team.

I think that I lean a little bit more towards than them.

And then you cannot deny what Philly looks like on paper, right, I mean that roster top to bottom ultimately can't be denied.

And then Kansas City, of course has fifteen hunder center.

So though, if you look at the odds Sean and I know you have, it's Buffalo, it's Baltimore, it's Philly, it's Kansas City, and then there's a big gap between those four and everybody else.

Do you believe the Super Bowl winner will come from those four teams this year?

And you know I it's easy to say yes, probably.

Do you want to think about the San Francisco forty nine ers just a little bit more?

I think this year where you have a situation where they were able to put together like pretty much the top ten offense without staying healthy, and I mean Kyle Shanahan overall as an offensive play caller has now become a little bit funderrated.

I think you have Robertslah with their defense where look, they need a lot of things to fall in their favor.

Sense, for I think their defense to be really, really a positive force.

But I can't.

I can't get the forty nine ers out of my head a little bit.

I still feel like, you know, the Eagles are gonna be the team to beat in the NFC, even though you know they're gonna have a new right guard, they're gonna have a new second cornerback, They're gonna have a new linebacker, They're gonna have a new stafty.

They have so many different parts of their defensive staff, every single person returned.

So I do I think they're gonna be the best defense in the league.

Maybe not, but I do feel like that's gonna be such a tough unit in the NFC as well.

Maybe thinking a little bit more about the Packers too, where I feel like they were kind of fun on defense last year, where they're able to generate a bunch of maybe everyone you know jumps on the Jordan Love train one year early, and maybe it's that that next season where he's really able to make the jump and make a contention for the NVP Tech season.

If I asked you to pick one team, and I know you referenced the Niners, and maybe that's the answer.

Of course, Detroit has a tremendous amount of changeover on the coaching staff.

Jordan Love played his college ball up in Logan and Utah State.

The Packers are in the mix, The Commanders are in the mix.

The Rams and the Bengals have the same odds as the Niners.

So if I took the Bills, Ravens, Eagles, and Chiefs off the board and said, who else outside of those four do you think can genuinely win the thing?

Where would you go?

And why?

Yeah?

I mean, I think the Packers are definitely one of them.

As I kind of mentioned, the forty nine Ers feel like a good one booth one Obviously I just mentioned, you know, it's funny because that feels kind of right right, Like I'm trying to convince myself.

Is it the Buccaneers maybe where you have just a funky defense, you have a strong offensive line, you have Baker Mayfield, who look Nick Michel's a good quarterback.

Now, Like, I don't think we really have to debate that because he keeps on putting together these good seasons.

I would be curious if we could get a fully healthy Matthew Stafford, where it certainly seems like he is not fully healthy just based on all of the reports, but in a single game, if he's really firing, if you have DeVante Adams in that offense as well, who I think is going to be able to just be a jolted energy there.

I think he can absolutely still play the ram if they get hot.

That is an interesting one where you have a defensive line because they are young, they're hungry, they're fast, They're going to cause a lot of problems for any offensive line that they come across.

So I want to say, hey, I can convince myself of you know, maybe seven maybe eighteens, but it does feel like tens to really earn a seat at that table.

It feels like it's kind of a small table right now.

Who had the best off season?

And you can name a couple of different teams as far as player acquisition.

You can go draft trades, free agents, coaching changes.

Which off season or off seasons?

Sean, did you like the most?

You I enjoyed kind of the Patriots at least trying to improve things in different ways.

You know, I think they've tried to throw a lot of money at a lot of different receivers.

It didn't fall in their favor every time.

I think that staying in that division the Jets do.

I love Justin Field's in that spot.

Maybe not, but it feels like they're just swinging in the right direction there.

I think gonna have a team with an actual attitude.

In terms of coaching staff, I really like to hire Liam Cohen in Jacksonville, where you know, the offensive line I think still has a bunch of things to figure out.

But I do think there's a world where you get maybe Trevor Lawrence's best season in jackson But I think those are three teams that I think of a bunch.

And then for the Vikings to bring to have JJ McCarthy, that's not really like an offseason move.

They didn't put a lot of beef on that interier offensive line there.

I think it's going to have an opportunity to be a little bit more physical with you.

So I think we can commit ourselves of kind of every team in the off student and sence.

That's kind of why I love the off stuson because everyone it feels like, you know, things are fine and dandy, but I'm curious what's going on kind of in that AFC eas that I feel pretty comfortable with the Bills kind of winning that division.

But you know, maybe it's a chance for the Patriots, who have had a bunch of turnover roughs.

You bring me in the competency that will really guarantees your team.

So maybe they find a way to sneak into that second spot in that division, maybe get a wildcard berth and push things ahead of schedule with Drake.

May Since I referenced the Packers and Jordan Love, who played his college ball here in State.

Of course he had the hand issue, non throwing.

He's back at practice.

The news that I've read appears to be good.

And you know, he sits behind Aaron for a few years and learns the ropes, and when he took over as the starter, I thought he acclimated.

Well.

It was a little bit of a rough start, but you expect that for someone who's never played the position full time.

And I would say over the course of a couple of years now it's looked good.

It hasn't looked great.

And the Packers have a standard that Jordan has to live up to.

I think a lot of people are high on him, high on the Packers.

What has to happen this year for Jordan to maybe take that next and win a playoff game or more than that.

As you mentioned, you know that that pump injury.

Of course, one thing you'd love to see for Jordan is just you know, being healthy.

It is lucky.

I guess that Ste's on his left hand is not throwing hand.

You're gonna have to hand the ball off.

Kind of weird.

But last year, early in the season, you immediately have an injury, and that really I think slowed just his growth a little bit in that way.

I still think there is such a high ceiling with Jordan Love.

When he's hanging out in the pocket, you see the kind of his hands separated a little bit.

He's on his tip because you know he's gonna throw the ball over every single player on the defense.

But there's such in excitement there.

There just needs to be I think a little bit of a fine tuning sometimes with the overall decision making, where you know, when you have that kind of arm, I can't pretend like I do or what I played like that I have that so he can fit the ball in any single window.

I think too few or too many times, you know that kind of brash just will lead to a negative flight.

So I think he's going to continue to find ways to play within the offense to be really comfortable to push that, you know, just turn over worthy, play number down a little bit and I'd be carry show.

Is that a time where you're able to see just a few more scrambles in those situations where hey, there's no one open, and of course mention, you know you want to stay healthy, see you want to get down, but maybe you're able to make the defense pay.

Because defenses are going to play, They're to challenge your receivers.

And one way to get defense out of that kind of look is if you're able to scramble and take off when none of the defenders are looking at you, that can be a really, really big positive.

So I'm a firm believer in Matt Lafleur in what he has put together in that offense in Green Bay.

Do I love the fact that it's kind of seems sometimes like they don't have a number one receiver?

Maybe not that it feels like all the parts are are there for Jordan Love.

You know, as long as we're able to stay healthy, be able to play within the offense, but you can still get some of those huge splash plays that are just going to be so exciting this season.

Let's stick with some local flavor.

You know, Zach Wilson played his college ball at Brigham Young and my New York Jets took a big risk and it didn't work for Zack, it didn't work for the Jets.

Spends a minute down in Denver.

Now he lands in Miami and a preseason is any indication Sean?

It looks like he will be QB two for the Dolphins.

And of course, if you know the history of Tua, who I love, I love to when he's healthy, there's a good chance they're gonna need Zach, maybe even for more than a handful of games this year, depending on the health of Tua Tonga Bai Loa.

Do you leave some sort of space for like a second chance Baker Mayfield type resurrection for Zach down in Miami.

I feel like at this point in NFL history, we have to leave it like a second window potential for every single quarterback.

It stinks, right, Like, you know, there's a chance that Justin feel is able to emerge with the Jets.

You know, I think it's a high likelihood.

Maybe not like there's a chance that in a few years we're talking about Anthony Richardson on a different team in a different offense.

I think the Baker Mayfield story is sort of beautiful.

I would maybe be surprised if Zach Wilson is able to pull it off.

But when you have an offense that if he can figure out ways to, you know, use those creative army andles that I know that everyone listening to really really loved watching him use in college.

If you're able to get him new play really well on time, if you can get him anticipating things, throwing things before that they're able to happen.

Maybe look at like, think Daniel I as a person that's able to just kind of improve thing because I'm you know, it's unfortunate, but I think important that you mentioned that Kua has unfortunately just missed games at point across his career, and there's a real chance that we see Zach Wilson.

So the same way talking about the Anthony Richardson situation at the top, Richardson's probably gonna have a chance.

There's a decent percentage that we're gonna see Zach Wilson take some important game snaps and so it feels like this is, you know, the time for him to at least try to be able to make that jump and maybe maybe maybe down the line, be able to challenge to be a starter again in this league.

Jackson Dhark did not play his college ball here, but he cut his teeth here as a historically special high school quarterback at Corner Canyon, then went to Southern cal Obviously we know the story from there, transfer down Old Miss and lands with a New York Giant.

It's Russell Wilson appears to be QB one, But every time Jackson has received opportunities in the preseason, he's shown that he might be ready sooner than most people believe.

Do you think we'll see him as a starter this season or is the plan just learned from Russ and go from there.

I think we'll see him at some point this season.

I am kind of you know, it's good that he has shown that he is I think in shoulder some of the load with the offense overall in preseason, of course, the usual caveats about ah, it's preseason.

The defenses look like this, the offenses look like that.

But thinking about the team and the makeup the situation, overall, heem like, you know, Dabon and Shane the head coach and GM there, I think they have the season guaranteed, or maybe not even guaranteed, but I think that they're feeling a little bit of heat there.

So you kind of know what you have in Russell Wilson.

And Russell Wilson is gonna throw the ball down the field.

He's gonna throw it high and you hope that it ends up in Leak Neighbors's hands.

But if you get Jack and Darton there and he starts to be really encouraging, maybe the ant looks at that and says, Okay, you know brand Able is able to build a content offense and can hopefully get the most out of his quarterback.

Let's continue to have him, just have more chances at the Apple gives them another season.

So it's always funny when I look at it where it's like who's the best player, Who's the best player right now?

I think Dart is going to have a little bit away to go.

When you look at some of his college film.

He can make like a first throw more like with anyone, But when you get to second, that third of that fourth, that kind of off your action types of Drake.

He's definitely athletic enough to move around.

I think when things get muddy, sometimes you know, things fall off.

So maybe this is a situation where it takes just you know, four weeks to get you know, acclimated to things a little bit more and then you're able to get it just in the game, because that is so tough.

When we have maybe more than thirty two quarterbacks in the league that can show something on the field, there's unfortunately thirty two teams playing.

So if you're Jackson Darty, you hope that you're able to continue to grow, continue to stay in the play of a continue learning to reads, continue to see the situations in practice where hey, you what we want to achieve is maybe not there right now?

Can I create something outside of that?

So I'm definitely intrigued by the Jacks and debt experiment and what could happen in New York there.

I'm a Northeast boy from a big family and we are split between the Jets and the Giants.

Here's my question, Sean, if you combine the Jets and the Giants roster, would they make the playoffs?

This is an awesome one.

I grew up in the in the Northeast as well.

I think the defense would be super super fun.

It would have like that awesome defensive line from the Giants.

You'd have, I think, a decent level of linebas if you have a fun step in the area.

Of course, with Sauce Gardner, he often like I think the offensive line will be at least intriguing.

I think Lak Neighbors and Garrett Wilson together would be so so fun.

Maybe depends pert you're playing in the NFC East or you're playing in the AFCs.

I think maybe you have a.

Better chance of sneaking on through the AFC East.

I think with that offensive line talent, Unfortunately, until comes down to the quarterback, I feel like for that reason maybe i'd be out.

But you be really funny, you know, maybe we're saying we get let's let's combine these guys.

Ideas Lee Gavers on one side and Gary Wilson on the other side, he's really really fun to me.

I think all those guys in the D line.

You throw Quinning Williams from the Jets on the Giants defensive line.

I don't know how any offensive lines want to deal with that problem.

For sure, all right, with the remaining few minutes, let me kick the tires with you on teams that are popular in our market based off of geographic proximity.

Ten wins for the Broncos a year ago.

We have a grip of youths on Denver's roster, Karne Reed, Caleb Loner, Jonah Ellis, Garrett Bowles.

I could keep going.

I mean, they're kind of like the pro team that Utah feeds and Bonix under center Sean Payton on the sidelines.

I think a lot of optimism for the first time in a while.

Quite frankly, Sean that Denver might be on a upward trajectory.

Do you agree with that?

What are you expecting this year from the Broncos?

Yeah?

I think Denver.

Should enter the season with the absolute hopes to get back into the playoffs and then really be able to at least get that wild card again.

Now, do I think they're going to challenge Chief?

Maybe not, But I was really excited with just the offense that Sean Payton put together with Bonix, where maybe I wasn't as time on Bonex as some other people, but I'm just surprised when I watch their games Sean Payton gets the defense to do exactly what he wants.

He almost like doesn't let the defense play on there on tempo.

He's going to force you into exactly the look that he wants to get the Jason receiver in the exact spot.

I think Sean Payton's going to be able to continue to do that, and their defense that it's so so fun.

I do think there's a little bit of, you know, our the addition with Hufanga and green Law Connor from the Sama discar are they going to be able to stay healthy?

Maybe the odds say they're not going to be able to.

But the defense, it almost doesn't have to be too crazy, Like they are more talented than you in so many spots, like they can just send four pass rushers, they don't have to send an uxer guy.

Now we also have Pat Sertaane.

They're just absolutely locking things down.

So I have to think if you're a Broncos fan, you should feel like, even in a tough conference overall a tough division as well, that you should be a wild card team and any exciting to think that the Broncos have sort of earned their way back in there as.

A result of their move to Vegas.

The closest team to us now in proximity is the is the Raiders.

The Vegas Raiders.

Of course Pete Carroll, longtime college coach, and the Pac twelve footprint, and of course went up to Seattle where he was a Super Bowl winner.

They bring in Geno Smith and look, you could do worse than Geno Smith as a Jets fan.

It didn't work out for us, but nothing works out for us.

I've accepted that.

So what do you think?

This looks like you're one Vegas odds over under?

Not really all that bullish on the Vegas Raiders.

What's the Sean sayad taken?

Can't you just imagine, you know, the Pete Carroll, just like all of the fun that he's had.

And you get a situation where, I don't know, some crazy down to the wire like last play on the goal line, the rain is able to stop him.

You sneak out a win.

You sneak out a win here, a win there.

I think that I love oh like I really liked you know, Smith.

I have a quarterback, so to think that he is your quarterback is the situation where that can be a positive fource to get some legitimate questions long offensive line, brock Bowers, he's an absolute force.

Like I don't want to say that for one season, but if he keeps on doing that, he might just see the best tight end ever based on at the end of the run, considering how many targets alone that he has.

I think there's a lot of questions on the defense.

A flip of the unfortunate departure of Christian Wilkins there on the defensive line.

Maybe you know what pe Kell was able to just you know, bring the Jews, bring the energy there, and you're able to get that team playing well.

I do think I am super interested in what Kelly brings where his offense is a high state and really even UCLA before that, he was super fun.

Since you guys, you guys, you're gonna see guys running in all sorts of different directions that you're not sure if the person is doing the right thing.

Some receiver is gonna go and block someone on the opposite side of the field.

So it's interesting where there is the potential I think for them to overachieve.

Where Abe Chip Kelly is just you know, he's learned from a stint in the NFL.

He's had a bunch of seasons in college for really smooth things out.

You know, Smith's able to continue to be as strong quarterback where you have a passing that can go through grass Bauers, maybe you steal some wins on the defensive side of the ball with Pete Carroll.

Fell I might not be super high on them, but you can absolutely tell your solve a story that this Raiders team can be really really fussy in gear one with Pete.

Carroll Final one and then I'll set you loose on on this one.

You know, ultimately you kind of talked about the Niners a little bit earlier, but as a result of you know, the Steve Young years, we have a tremendous amount of Niners fans here in the market.

So best case scenario, you know, you know, when it comes to their health, they're gonna have to get Brandon Ayuk back and some other pieces need to fall into place as a result, as you pointed out earlier of them paying Brock party because I always felt like that a super Bowl winning roster just not a super Bowl winning quarterback and maybe that's unfair to Brock.

But before we set you loose, if everything goes as well as it possibly can.

For our Niners fans here in the market, what would you say they should expect.

I mean, if everything hit, this is a super Bowl team, even with a really young defense, even with injuries at receiver.

I am just such a believer in what Kyle Shanahan done.

If you look at all the injuries they had that last year and you're still able to pull together a top ten offense, I mean that is I think that's special.

And Rock Perty is not the quarterback that is gonna, you know, have the strongest arm.

He's improved every single time that he's played.

You know, for me to have the same opinion at party now than when he first started playing, Like one of his early games against the Seahawks, you get a bunch of situations where it could have been an interception.

But it wasn't.

And now he's able to extend plays he's creating on the ground and really when things aren't clear there, and I think he had the adequate arm strength and even if his arm isn't the strongest, I think he could throw with anticipation exactly where Kyle Shanahan wants.

So it feels like Shanahan has found sort of his match in party in a way where perty's doing a lot of things that he wants while also being able to create just off schedule.

No, I of course, I'm always gonna be a little bit concerned where I hope Christian mccaffery's able to stay fully healthy because he creates just such a problem for the defense.

You can't cover him with the linebacker.

He's going to be able to run by so many of your players, and you're hope, hopefully able to have you know, Trent Williams on left tackle, where when tremp Wins is off the field, offense flots and feels a whole lot different.

So I do think that their feeling is a Super Bowl team, you know, as that they're most likely outcome.

Maybe not, but when you have Super Bowl that's going to be at the home stadium, I think it'd be a fun story if you're able to get them playing there on Super Sunday.

Where can people go get all your work?

Sean, I appreciate that.

You know you can check me out on Twitter at Science Schemes.

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It's going to be a bunch of film stuff.

You go to suamer sports dot com staff Dash scheme, dash subscriber, just check us out on Twitter at teamer sports and then putting together a bunch of these video breakdown spens where just continue to learn the game, hopefully break things down as simple as possible on the suomer sports YouTube channel that's Summer just with one less and Steamer Sports on YouTube.

John, thank you, my friend.

Be well, we'll get you back on soon.

Football is back.

Time of year, appreciate it, thanks so much.

We'll talk.

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All right, Porter, I'm going to my back pocket.

Do you know what I'm about to pull out of my back pocket?

A crustable?

Nope, good guess already eighth the uncrustable.

It's a red card.

I'm pulling out a red card.

I've given Pablo Mashorty a straight red.

Oh wow.

We are ejecting him.

We are removing him from the rundown, and we are replacing him with Brian dunsth.

So I've given Pablo a red.

It's a decent trade.

It's a decent trade.

I think.

Pablo's a little a little stronger on the defensive side.

Donny Donney's probably a little quicker I think still well.

And also Dunny will be probably in a better mood.

And if I'm problem, I'm grumpy right now for sure.

Okay, So we're bringing Brian don Seth coming up on the other side to do a little soccer.

It's better on the wings probably well, I don't know.

I think Pablo's a little bit younger than Donny.

And look, I don't want to run our guy down.

Pablo is in excellent shape.

Donny has three boys, He's in the thick of it.

So I think at this point, if I'm drafting a soccer team, I probably draft Pablo first.

Pablo's still like in soccer shape.

Dunny's in like hiking shape like me.

It's a different it's a different thing.

We'll get you ready for the opener for Utah Football, talk about the latest in the landscape of the Big twelve.

Dave Fox will roll by as well.

I'll be on TV with Dave tonight ten thirty five KMYU.

We call it five Questions with Spence on Thursday night.

They class up the joint and they do a little talk in RSL, and our next guest, when he is in town, is on with our guy DJ.

So let's welcome in the legend himself.

And yes, Donny, you are legend, Brian don Seth on a Tuesday afternoon.

Thank you for the time, Donny.

How you doing, Bud.

I'm doing great, Spence, except the fact I'm out here at Churchill Junior High sitting in the shade watching Micah train and the sprinklers just came on, oh dear, and I went into a full panic mode of trying to figure out where my flip flops were still sprinting and understanding.

I was waiting just to come on air and trying to dodge these sprinklers that literally have the power to knock you off your feet.

So slightly wet but safe.

Nonetheless, I appreciate you.

You still have some quickness.

Can you still move the way you did once upon a time?

Well, I got a new hit a year ago, so I'm feeling great in the hip department.

But I just had rist surgery about a month ago, and so so you kind of forget how necessary the wrist is when you don't have actual use of it.

So when I'm trying to grab my cup, grab my phone, grab my flip flops, and grab the chair and not get doused in the face and get knocked off my feet, you realized when you just have one hand, it's a little bit more difficult in real life.

I got to follow up when it comes to the new hip what was the impetus?

Because your boy over here might be considering it.

Why did you decide to go through with that?

And have you been pleased with the results.

Well, you know me, I've had this back issue since I retired.

It was one of the main reasons why I retired, and it ended up.

I was shifting all my weight to take the pinch off of my back, and I just slide.

I just literally adjust my weight standing and slide my hip out like slide to my left, and I burnt my hip out.

And it was one day walking down in Manhattan Beach where I thought I had done my hip flexer, and it was just that last little fiber finely shredded ten And then it just became the most annoying, ruthless throbbing every single day and every single night.

And then that's when I for me.

I went to go see doctor Momberger Atash and he sent me right, man, it was the best decision I could have possibly ever had.

All right, good to hear, I'm not there yet, but I don't know that I'm far off.

But no, none of our listeners give a rip about our hip issues, so we can we can move on.

Indeed, we are so duddy I am.

I'm no expert, and I certainly am not a guy that blames the refs for very many things.

But my soccer pea brain says, when the ball hits the defender's hand in the box, that's a handball, and it's a PK.

But apparently it wasn't for RSL against Charlotte with with Tim Reem there and of course a lot of people upset about the no call.

You're always good to like make these complicateds.

It doesn't seem complicated to me, but you're always good to make it understandable and maybe don't fully get it, like myself.

Why why wasn't that called?

And can you help me understand what seems to me a very obvious handball in the box was not to the officials.

The updated laws of the game includes distance and any type of motion made towards the ball.

So for me, that was not a penalty worthy handling of the ball inside the penalty and I'll tell you why since and this is where I think Tory pencil could have been a little bit clearer, because there was no attempt for Tim Reim to make any motion towards the ball.

And what she suggested was natural position of his body, which I do agree.

It was well what we wanted to see with situations like this where it's a hopeful cross.

It's not a cross with purpose.

It's not trying to pick out an open man and a defender who has no other options.

He's not making himself unnaturally bigger.

That is a natural defending position.

The ball comes off his arm.

What they have adjusted for was the distance in which the ball is struck and then hits the defender's hand inside the box or his arm inside the box, and that's usually a meter, you know, a yard or so.

And that's been kind of the struggle of the consistency of a call like that continuously being made.

I had the same call or sorry in the exact same situation up in Portland last Saturday later that evening, and I didn't think that was a penalty worthy ball coming off the army.

Maybe Spence.

This is because I'm an old center back and I don't like the law being updated that every and what we were seeing is just these attacking players whipping balls into the box to try to purposely hit defender's arms.

So then the referee w'd be like, well, hit, you're on penalty.

They've tried to adjust the laws to understand for a defender, unnatural is putting his arms behind his back.

There's nothing natural about that.

So they've tried to allow defenders to have a more natural position.

And for Tim Reim, he's not making any attempt to make himself bigger.

He's not making any attempt to play the ball, and I listen, I just think the verbiage should have been from that distance, there was nothing he could do about it.

He wasn't trying to knock the ball down and take away a goal scoring opportunity.

I would hate for that to be called, and I wouldn't want real Salt Lake fans to want if that came up justin Glack, because we've seen them punished for something similar that they were up in arms and saying, well, there's no way that's a handble.

So yeah, for me, it wasn't a penalty worthy handling situation inside the box.

But these are a part of the updated laws of the game.

The problem is, Spence, you go back to Bodhe Dogo's second yellow and where was it?

San Diego.

You go to the Nashville game where the outside bats should have been sent off not once, but twice.

You go to New York Red Bulls where Diego Luna was shown his second yellow.

He got his first for verbally saying the magic words for the referee.

He's shown his second yellow.

Then they start playing, then they go over to the monitor and pose the game and then send off Kyle Duncan who gets a red card that he's the one that actually committed the foul, but they don't rescind the yellow card.

It's like four or five moments where you know the pururists and they'll say, well, hold on a second, Donny, it all equals at the end of the season.

It's all levels out.

It just doesn't.

That's one of the biggest bs things I've ever heard for analogy or arguments.

So RSL feels as though they've been done dirty for the better part of I'd say probably five or six results now where they felt as though calls should have gone their way, calls could have gone their way, calls ultimately didn't go their way.

And even the Hall and the Wolve, Zaha Thrilling and Mecha and Nelly down.

I mean that's hands to the Mecker pace that's supposed to be by letter of the law, red card and again an unpunishable action where we also like saying, hold on a second, when can we actually catch a break this season?

Yeah, I was going to ask you about the Zaha foul, but the answer there and a Mecca, he's a he's a big, sturdy kid and he doesn't dive, So when he went down like that, I went, Okay, something's got to give.

And then they showed the replay and it felt like that should have been a straight red.

And to your point, you know, when and I've said it before, like, Okay, the calls will even out over the course of a year, it feels like the thing to say to just avoid talking about the bad calls all the time.

So what is what's fair to say about what feels like a very frustrating season so far with the officials when it comes to, as you said, the bottom line results for RSL.

Because the problem I've always had with officials missing calls is they're not It's not as punitive for them as it is for coaches and players.

There are jobs on the line here.

If you missed the playoffs, an owner might be inclined to move you to a different club or maybe fire the coach.

So if you're Pablo, how are you feeling?

What's fair to say about these rough whistles ourselves received this year?

There's a lot of cursewords.

I would assume there's a lot of requests to speak to officials for clarity in those requests for clarity.

Once they do get on the phone or zoom calls, there's probably some more curse words being said and ultimately nothing will come of it.

I think what we you know, and this is a bigger part of the conversation between the letter of the law the application of the law.

Ultimately, when you feel as though you're aggrieved and you're not getting calls looking for the explanation at the end of the day when we're talking about var Ultimately, the idea was to minimize impactful moments similar to what we saw with Jerry Henrie this handball against Ireland and effectively tossed Ireland an opportunity to go to the World Cup.

That's what it's really about.

But you know, for all of us that maybe hoped that there would still be those Monday morning quarterback conversations at the water cooler, well we're certainly getting them.

But we're we're talking about layers of conversations of referees, decisions, intervention of technology, and ultimately some of the it's the right way to say this, some of the gosh, some of the human error, I guess, I mean the tech, the tech itself is fantastic, but where do we find fallible moments.

It's it's going to be the application of the laws of the game and the technology.

It's not the tech that's the issue, it's the application.

But again, Spence, you know, we do this thing where we talk about calls that are similar.

There's never like the like.

They're very rarely like the like situation.

So again, I know these referees, a lot of them, but a lot of them are great guys.

They're under tremendous amounts of pressure.

I know they want to get it right, and in the midst of trying to push for all these younger referees and to get new blood into the system, there's going to be some learning curve errors.

But to your point, I mean, I think that's always been the biggest gripe of you know, when mistakes are happening and it's costing points that ultimately at the end of the season result in playoff spots or home field advantage.

That's where you're looking for accountability, and across the board in sports, very rarely do you see the accountability from the referees perspective, at least publicly.

So I believe coming up on Saturday, Diego is still suspended, Gozo's out yellow card accumulation, and Williegata is out as well.

So tell me about Minnesota because it feels like they've got to get this one.

Donny.

There's eight left, five of them are at home.

There are two points I think below the playoff line if I remember correctly.

So coming up this weekend without really three of your main pieces up front.

Of course, we have seen Rowan Cruz, we finally saw that, you know, Latunji kid a little bit.

But tell talk to me about Saturday.

Do you feel like it's a must win?

Can they get it done with all these players on the sidelines.

Yeah, I Gotta at this stage is not a player that Pablo is going to lean on from the opening whistle.

It's going to be Olatunji and it's going to be role on Cruz.

They spent too much money to bring them in and even going back to the Cincinnati game a couple of weeks ago, where it's very evident A Gotta needed six or seven opportunities to score, which is just isn't a good enough strike rate and consistency.

You know.

Part of the part of this was also listen, Gozo has been fantastic this year, but there was never a plan for Gozo to play the amount of minutes he's playing.

And I and I don't know if that's more credit to Gozo or more serious concern about Dominic Marshuk, because it's been a disaster him trying to replace you know, you know, in any in any way, shape or form, what we've seen on that right hand side since last summer.

So Luna is a huge loss Gozo, with his athleticism and what he's done this season, huge loss and a big challenge against the Minnesota United teams that, quite frankly, is extremely difficult to deal with, both with the ball without the ball.

They just beat Seattle Founders at home.

They've swept them this season.

It's the same team that knocked Oblo and Real Salt Lake out after losing in penalties back to back in the playoff formatt last season.

They they are a team where and I say this with the utmost respect Eric Ramsey and everything they've done, they are a team that is not really that much fun to watch.

They know who they aren't, so they play more towards who they are.

They sit deep, they absorb, they hit in transition, moments they've got, you know, fantastic power and pace and intelligence up top, specific to Kelvin Yaboa and Tanny Oliva Shi, who they turned down a four and a half million dollar did for coming in during the summer transfer window, and it sounds like they might be bringing in another attacking player, but that's only after last week.

Eric Ramsey, their head coach, kind of publicly, in the nicest way possible, throttled the decision makers at Minnesota United for not bringing in new players, fresh blood and competition to the roster.

So really interesting team, whether at home or on the road.

They have figured out how to win games.

They win the ugly games they can turn on every once in a while, the style which makes you kind of sit back and ask bigger questions as to why philosophically they don't play that way more consistently.

But a tough test because they they as much as I try to understand how San Diego and Vancouver have been so consistent this year in the Western Conference the hierarchy of the Western Conference, Minnesota is the head sketcher because I think a lot of analysts in my kind of realm look at them and say, man, they know what they're good at, but they are just not fun to watch.

And yet they are one of the most consistent teams in the West in terms of results.

Yeah, they're a pain in the ass, you know, like they're they're just you know, yeah, like every time I watch RSL playing, like, man, it doesn't look like a lot of fun to play against Minnesota, but it feels like it's kind of a must win.

As I said, tell me what you've seen.

So we saw Victor Olatunji and Rwan Cruz startup top against Charlotte, and of course there were a few opportunities, but it wasn't all that bright.

RSL is second to last in the West in goals score, they're tied for third and goals allowed.

It's actual a good defensive group.

Roth has been so good in goal.

But what have you seen from these two players brought in by Kurt and a staff during the summer window, and what should we be hoping to see moving forward based off maybe some things you've heard in training and such.

Right now, I've only seen potential.

I've only seen glimpses.

Obviously, Kurt, Jason Pablo will have scouted intently on the positions and the player profiles that they think fit this group.

When you bring two players like this in it also, I'll gently remind people that you have to change the system and effectively go to a four to two to two two to allow those two players to shine, which then begs the question of Gozo, Diego Gonzalez and Diego Luna.

What does that look like from two out of those three specific then the trickle down effect is Ojeda America.

And then maybe Paulo Ruiz fits better than one of those other two because the other two are so similar in the four to two three one build up.

So there's expense, there's a lot of questions, and with eight ish eightish games left, not a lot of time for adoption.

So again, potential and glimpses of what I've seen, and at some point you know you're you're you're looking for got it a bigger, a bigger litmus test that includes goals and assists or at least generating some really dangerous fool staring opportunities.

Because I can see the potential and I can see the skill for these guys, but they've got to put it.

They've got to put it together sooner rather later.

One more RSL question that I've got one additional question that I'll set you loose.

Uh.

The secondary transfer window closes on Thursday.

A little birdie, cute little birdie, very little birdie, uh informs me that Pablo was called to participate paid in a potential player zoom call today, which is why you couldn't join us.

Are you hearing any other additions in the pipeline for RSL prior to the window closing on Thursday night?

You know?

I would say that the two outside backs of the position in need of competition, and my concern is Kalaskin.

I feel like is being used like a Mecca was a couple of years ago, because he was good enough to get on the field, but he's not good enough to beat out the two central midfielders right now.

I think the real salt Lake has been a week at the right back position basically since Brooks Lennon and Aaron Herrera left, and I think that's a position of need.

I think they need some experience to know how inside of our locker room from MS know how inside of that locker room, because the times they seem young and naive, and that the windows still open until Thursday evening, so hopefully they can, you know, get some work done.

They've spent new ownership as shown.

You know, you bring the right you bring the right product to uh to the table for a conversation that they're willing to invest.

And it seems like the new infrastructure has changed significantly with ownership, which I would suggest is probably a good thing, you know, based on how light the team was in the first half of the field.

All right, Donny, before I set you loose, I wanted you to chime in on this odd dynamic between former US men's national team players and you're included in that.

You were the captain of an Olympic team once upon a time.

Oh I know where we're going.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and these current the current the irony of the current players, namely Christian Polisik and Timothy Wea.

Uh it was it was in a documentary on Paramount Plus that they're trying to get people to watch and they're accusing these former US men's national team players of looking for clicks while they're doing the same thing.

But it really reeked of a lot of entitlement, and they came across as babies.

Timothy Waya went out went as far as to call Landing and Clinton whoever else evil for the criticism that they're you know, levying on these young players that are currently playing for the US men's national team.

You know this.

I know this because we have microphones in front of our face all the time.

It is simply part of the job, and it's disingenuous to compliment players when the results aren't what we're all looking for.

So, as somebody who's in this ecosystem, what do you make of this back and forth?

Yeah?

No, listen, I had my say on Turner and all in T and T, and I'll be a part of the coverage coming up against South Korea and Japan to the US national team out in New York and think Columbus.

I'll actually be on the next six games of the US men's national team at the desk for T and T, so I will I will have all the inside information that's about to happen and kick down here in the next week or so.

Yeah, listen, I'll repeat what I say at the desk.

I think everyone there's a lot that could be true and a lot to be false, and I think a lot of these guys can be right and I think, and at the same time, they can all be wrong.

And you know, I come from a generation of you know, playing with Tony Meola and Alexi Wallace and Marcello Balboa and Casey Keller and Eric juan Alda and John Hart's and Tab Bramos, you know, all the outspoken guys.

They were critical of the Tim Howards and the Gucci and ye Wus and you know, the the Carlos Spokeneggers and the Michael Bradley's and the Jermaine Jones and the Clint Dempseys and the Landon Donovans.

It was just a different time.

We didn't have the accessibility of TikTok and Instagram and podcasts and video formats, and you know, usually this stuff was in USA today, or it was on ESPN, or it was in Soccer America.

But the criticism has always been there.

Now everything else is different, right, It's it's platforms, it's products, it's vanity projects, it's people making money.

And at the same time, you know, people get sensitive.

I really do enjoy Tim Wa.

I like him a lot.

I was actually a really surprised at the determination that he came out with.

You know, when when this project for Paramount Plus, when the boss announced that they were they were doing this polistic documentary, it was everything that I always wanted to see because I wanted to see more Christian's personality.

You know, he seems like an introvert and then extroverted on the field, and there's nothing wrong with that.

And and this is where I think what's interesting in all of this is, you know, Landon and Christian are very very similar in a lot of ways, very very similar in a lot of ways, So to see them going back and forth with one another is odd.

I love hearing the perspective of Clint Dempsey each and every time I get an opportunity.

But here here's the reality, Spence.

I did the numbers.

You know, Christian at ac Milan in the last two seasons has played one hundred and one games.

In the four years he was at Chelsea, he played one hundred and forty six games.

One of the reasons why he's at a singalan playing all these games is very simple.

He's starting every single game, and he's playing as many minutes, you know, seventy five to ninety minutes per match, and he's healthy because he's starting every single game, and I asked him personally, I said, what's the difference.

He said, I'm not warming up on the sidewink and coming in and exploding for fifteen minutes.

I'm warming up properly and I'm having the opportunity to start the game.

And He's like, I think one of the reasons why is because I was primarily used as a spot starter in the substitute and that was part of the reasons why I was breaking down, so listen he needed to and spence.

The reality is I never expected him to take part in the Gold Cup.

I didn't expect a lot of the boys, a lot of the big dogs to play in the Gold Cup.

But what I found out was when I asked Pochettino, why Tim Weya and why Western McKinney, who were playing with you at the fift club wols Up weren't playing when three of their teammates were in the Turkish team and in the switch team against the United States.

I was told that Marisio Poschattino only wanted guys that were going to be there for those first two games and the entire of the tournament.

They didn't want him to do just for those first two games.

They wanted to try to build something.

So if you don't fail at Copamtica, if you don't fail at Nations League and for the first time not win after three consecutive trophy lits, we're.

Not having this conversation.

Nobody would have had a problem with Christian going out of the Gold Cup, so you got a lot of holier than now movements.

I don't have a problem with it whatsoever.

You know, Christian decided he wanted to go on Paramount Plus Who's doing his documentary and have his say, his dad gets involved, his friends are involved, Tim Way is involved.

It's not a good look, and at the end of the day, everyone comes off as super sensitive.

Here's the here's the bottom line, Spence.

You know, I and a lot of other people were questioning the build up to the twenty twenty two World Cup and Guitar and those final two games they were terrible against Japan and Saudi Arabia, and I was wondering publicly about Christian's ability to lead the group.

And I was dead wrong because when they got into the when they got into Guitar at the World Cup, he was easily the best player, the most valuable player, the most important player, and he doesn't lead by words, he leads by example.

He leads by his play.

So at the end of the day, my hope is that we can get done with all this BS and whatever happens between Pochattino and the accountability that he has that he said, she said, combination of all of this, and again, everyone could be right and everyone could be wrong, and that's fine.

The reality, Spence is having Christian Polific in the starting eleven is better for the United States because he is easily the most consistent producer of results in big moments that we've had since the retirement of Clinton Landon.

And and I'll throw Michael Bradley and Josie Outador and you know, Guccian Jewu and DeMarcus Beasley, Steve Tarndelo, Tim Howard.

He's the next generation.

He's the only holdover of that last generation.

So hopefully we can all think of this both be almost cursed because he has childish antics that we're seeing, and we can move on.

But what I am really intrigued, Spense, is to see if Marisio Pochettino, who has shown a malicious side at your Tottenham Hotspur when it's come to a couple of different players.

He can't treat this like Tottenham.

He can't get rid of players.

He can't you know, buy players from other clubs.

So how he manages this relationship is going to be a really, really fascinating one to see in real times heading into those September friendlies right around the corner.

Donny, you're the man.

I appreciate the time on short notice.

Have a great week, Bud.

We'll chat say okay, yeah.

Sorry, no that was long, but a complicated question.

All good.

There is Brian dun Seth RSL original MLS VET was the captain of the Olympic team once upon a time and has become one of the best analysts in the game.

Appreciate Donnie's time on this Tuesday afternoon.

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Eleven days away from Utah football.

It's game week for week zero, so college football is here for all intents and purposes.

Our next guest, one of the best to ever do it at the University of Utah, longtime NFL VET as well, good friend of the show.

You can hear them on our station and our sister sister station on a Tuesday afternoon.

It is the great Scott Mitchell Scott Happy Tuesday mant.

How are you doing?

Oh, I'm doing wonderful.

Thanks Bence.

It's going to be on.

I appreciate the time.

So take us behind the curtains.

Eleven days out.

What's going on?

Are we UCLA specific?

Now?

What's kind of the tone and tenor of the bio arrhythms of a college football team?

Eleven days away from kicking off?

I actually think this is one of the hardest times of the entire season because you've been in this camp mode and there's a rhythm to it, and everyone's involved in it, all the backups, all the guys fighting for a spot, you know, to play, to be on a travel squad or whatever it is.

And then all of a sudden, there's just a day boom and it stops, and it's probably right now.

You know, you look at the declaration.

All these colleges are naming them their starters.

You know, b why you named this starter, you know, Michigan, Notre Dame.

They're all naming their star.

So they're they're going into the regular season mode.

But it's still, like you said, eleven days out and they've probably been in that mode for for they'll probably be in it for like two weeks.

And the biggest challenge and why it's so hard is the guys that have now got practice reps and played a lot in the scrimmages, their time is over.

Like they don't get reps anymore.

The ones get most of the reps, the majority of the reps.

You know, the twos get some, but it's it's mostly the starters that get all the reps.

Now, now you might get reps on the look team or whatever, but those aren't reps.

Those are just you know, you're taking one for the team because you're you're not really practicing your offense or defense.

When you do that, you're giving a look of a different team.

And the challenge for the guys that are starting now is you can almost do too much.

You can almost have too much preparation.

You can almost like like you get kind of stagnant because you've just practiced.

You can almost get into bad habits sometimes.

And you can tell typically when a team's starts the season if they've been like that, because they usually start out flat or weird or not in a really good rhythm, and so much of it, I believe is that they've just practiced almost too much.

And so it's a funny time.

It's a fine line between being prepared, being over prepared, getting stagnant, getting into bad habits, and then the guys that aren't playing, they kind of have to get over sulking and hey, I lost the competition and I now have to take a back seat.

And it's just a really odd time of the year.

So we did get some news earlier today.

I don't know that it's all that surprising, but Berd Ficklin was receiving a lot of praise from the coaching staff in this battle to back up Devin and knock On Wood.

We all want Devn healthy all year long, but in the event that Devon has to miss a little time, it will be Isaac Wilson who is Devon's backup.

That is official now, and Isaac received playing time in nine games last year.

He started seven of them overall, And I suppose Scott one way to look at it is the blessing in disguise off Cameron's an ability to stay healthy.

Is now Utah has a backup quarterback with legitimate Big twelve experience.

So your thoughts on this dynamic Isaac Wilsons QB two up on the Hill.

Look, I don't think well, well, Utah fans are very concerned about the backup quarterback because they've lived with two years of it, and so most teams this isn't an issue.

You don't really talk about it.

Nobody really even cares unless you're the Cleveland Browns, and then you care about, you know, two fifth round draft choices as potential backers.

But everyone else doesn't care.

But Utah fans care because of what's happened the last couple of years.

And they also care because the quarterback who's running the show is a runner, is a guy who will get out of the pocket, and there's that potential of taking shots.

Now, he's a better runner in that he knows how to protect himself better I think than Cam and even Tyler Huntley.

But I think for Isaac, I think there's almost a maturing process.

Because he took some bullets a year ago, you know, have been easy for him to leave.

I think he kind of wanted to leave.

I think he went out in the portal and realized there weren't really many opportunities out there that were better for him.

I like that he stuck around.

I like that he's kind of fighting through things and competing.

I think there's a level of maturity you get from that.

There's a level of grit that you get that you need, you know, in tough games when you when you come into play.

And I have to hope and believe that when he does get an opportunity again, he probably will at some point that he's you know, he's mad enough to run through a brick wall, and he's mad enough to say I'm gonna prove everybody wrong, and and I want to do over and I want to I want a second chance.

Uh.

I think this offense fits him a little better.

I think it's a little bit more user friendly for him and his skill set.

I think the reads are a little bit maybe kind of I don't want to say simple, but kind of right in front of you.

It's just it's it's it's not really hard to read per se, whereas Andy Ludwig's offense there was some nuance to it, and it's a little bit more challenging.

And so I think he's more geared for this with maturity, and certainly, you know, I hope and expect that he'll play better if he gets a chance.

So what gives you the most confidence?

And we've discussed this at times, and I continue to be a little bit surprised that there are very few people, at least that I have read or listened to that aren't bullish on what Devin can do as UTAs QB one under center.

And you know, I don't know if just being raised in the Northeast has made me a skeptic period of all this stuff and just life in general.

But he is taking a step up in competitions of Scott and it will be a new experience for him, But it does seem like everyone's expecting big things.

What's Scott Mitchell expecting from Devin dan Pier this year?

Well, the question to me, the one question is just what you said, can you weak in and week out play against really good competition?

A year ago, Kyle Whittingham said, kind of surprised by the Big twelve.

We were surprised at how physical it was and they weren't They as a team weren't ready for it, and which is a little surprising coming from the Pac twelve.

And so it's you can play two or three games against the Power five team if you're in a lesser division, but can you play twelve games?

And can you show up every single week?

And that that's really the question mark, that's the trend, that's the transition, and not just show up, but play well and play effect and playing well is making good decisions.

And I think I think the thing that helps me go okay, I think he can do this is because he's a guy who is so elusive, and he's a guy that doesn't get sacked a lot, so when he's trying to figure out the competition and maybe he's not quite up to speed.

I don't know if he is or he isn't, but at least he has that in his back pocket that he can extend plays, make plays, and even if things break down because he doesn't know the read or he just messes up, he can still make something good good happen.

And not every quarterback can do that.

I mean, Isaac Wilson couldn't do that a year ago.

So I expect with the way this offensive line is that they have some really good running backs, there's a lot of I call it a patchwork of offensive production.

You know, it's just going to come from a lot of different spots.

It's not going to be one group that's dominant.

They don't have a superstar anywhere, but they've got a lot of pretty good talent enough to put together.

I think that what can be a fairly explosive offense, and if he just kind of stays within the framework of that, Utah'll be very productive.

They don't have to score for thirty five to forty points a game, you know, they score high twenties.

If they get to thirty points a game, they're competing for a conference championship, and I think they can do that.

So obviously the offensive line has been the most talked about positional group, and it's funny.

I was just doing a little prep for the show yesterday.

Michael Mochafisi, who we never talk about, has started thirty three games for Utah on the offensive line.

We talk about Spencer, we talked about Caleb Jaron's captain, but you know, Michael, who's the guy that's never mentioned is thirty three starts.

Devin during his media availability earlier today set at times he has eight seconds in the pocket And the benefit of practicing against a Utah defense is you're going to be ready to go against the majority of defenses in the Big Twelve.

I mean, you know, projections are always a dangerous thing because it's conjecture and nobody knows until we kick off.

But Utah's defense, by all you know, metrics or people that cover the league is expected to be a top two or three defense in the league.

I mean, obviously, it benefits the quarterback greatly to have an offensive line like Utah does.

But as somebody who played that position, how would you articulate just how comfortable that must be for Devin to have those guys up front?

And what are your expectations for this old line that everybody continues to talk about.

I'm always I'm not from the northeast of Spence, but I'm skeptical too, always because because what I've learned through my experience is no season ever turns out the way you expect it.

I mean, you look at Texas Tech, and they went and spent a grundle of money, and they've already lost one of the key players they got in the running back the joiner from USC haven't even played a game.

They put all this money into him and other players, and they get no benefit from that.

And so the point is is that I'm really hopeful for this offensive line, and I mean they are good and they do look good.

And this team offensively, if you watch them like early in the spring, you watched them as spring went on, and by the end of spring, and then you watch them now and they've just gotten better and better and more comfortable with what's what's happening.

Everyone has offensively, you know, you have to feel pretty good about it.

There's nothing like experience.

There's just nothing like it on, you know, anywhere.

And if I'm a guy with that offensive line, I'm like, come on, guys, let's go because everything happens upfront.

Everything, It's always it always.

I don't care how great your skill players are if you're not good up front.

When I when I call these games, uh, you know, for Utah, I spend a majority of my eyeball time on the line of scrimmage.

I really I've really kind of helped myself to try to really look and see who is winning, who is winning that push, and who is who is getting beat, who isn't getting beat, and where, And I can tell very quickly how the game is going to go by by the way those guys look up front.

So those offensive linemen are huge.

I hope that the offensive line isn't one of those things that it doesn't turn out the way you expect, because we expect that line to be great, and I hope it is.

Again, you got to keep every everyone healthy and they got to play up to that potential, and that's hard sometimes.

So I'm very hopeful.

It feels to me, Spence like the chemistry and just all the stars maybe are aligning in the right way.

You've got this offensive line, You've got this dynamic quarterback, You've got some really good players in the running back room.

They do have some talented wide receiver, They've got talent, They've added talent at the tight end position.

It feels potentially like it could be a very very good and explosive football team.

And that might be the way people don't think because nobody's necessarily picking Utah to win the conference.

People like Utah watch out for Utah, but they're not definitive with saying like they did a year ago, Utah is the team to beat in the conference.

But I think it's going to be a very good year up on the hill.

From a player's perspective, because you referenced the dynamic last year, we all expected them to win the league.

And I'm not talking about local media, I'm talking about everybody nationwide.

I mean they were the consensus pick.

They were the favorite in Vegas.

Did everybody pick them to win the league?

No, but most people did.

And if they didn't pick him to win it, they picked him top two or three.

That pressure is gone.

From a player's perspective.

Do you like that to fly under the radar or do you want to roll into a stadium with that target on your back where everybody knows you're the team to be.

It certainly depends on your personality.

You know.

You think of guys like like Deon sanders Man, he's stroked by people telling him how great he is, like he loves like he's in the limelight.

And coach Whittingham wants to be a troll in a dark hole.

He doesn't want anyone to talk to him.

He wants to be such an underdog.

He wants to be hated, you know, reviled, chip on your shoulder, nobody gives us respect kind of guy.

And that's my top reason why I think's going to have a good year is I think everyone's forgotten about this team.

I really do.

I think they're like, now you have to say, well, watch out for Utah because historically they've been good, you know, the last several years, and they've had a very stable coaching position, you know, situation, they're always very good defensively, you know, if they get it together offensively, watch out for this team.

But I think coach Whittingham really likes the let's just be forgotten.

For me, it's it's really it's really the personality of the team.

There are teams that just they flourish when they're well thought of, they just do and and but there are some people that are like, I'm not comfortable, and like, I think a guy like Michael Jordan flourished with I think he tried to create drama just to motivate himself, so he tried to be a guy.

He's like, I don't want you to tell me how great I am.

I want someone to disrespect me.

I want someone to tell me I'm garbage.

You know.

I used to play golf with Dan Marinos the same thing.

It's like, if I if I got really competitive, like I'm gonna kick your trash today on the golf course, Dan Marino like, like, watch out.

But if I if I sat as a oh man, you are.

You're piping the ball today, you are just like on fire.

I had a better chance with with with Marino and and so it's just funny.

It's just different personalities, different coaches, different styles.

Like to be stroke and some people don't.

What does what does a successful trip to the Rose Bull look like?

For you?

Scott?

The Utes are a six point five point favorite as of now, and maybe that line changes over the next eleven days.

Not a lot seems to be known about this UCLA team because it's a brand new squad, it's a brand new quarterback, it's a very young head coach.

So on that plane coming home to Salt Lake, what feels like success to you?

Well, I think it's a huge game for Utah from a psyche to get last year, to get the last two years kind of out of their mindset.

And I think if you can establish stat and just go, Okay, we're back, we're where where we we've worked, where where we believe we are, and I think I think that game can go a long way to proving it because you're not really going to get that sense from cal Poly or Wyoming because those are teams you're just going to absolutely beat.

But if you beat a team that's a good team, uh, you know, the quarterback is like one of the top quarterbacks in the in the country, and he's new to the situation.

You know, he's got to figure things out as well, and he's got a lot of personnelity or personnel people that he's got to get familiar with a new system and all that.

But he's very talented.

Uh you know.

So it's it's really important I think for the whole entire year that Utah just gets some confidence, and it's a great way to do it, because this isn't like, you know, you're not going to Ohio State against the third second ranked team in the country to start your you know, but you are going on the road with a quality opponent and one that's trying to to be I'm relevant in the Big Ten.

You know, they you know, it's really it could be really easy for UCLA to just kind of disappear, almost like Nebraska disappeared when it went into the Big Ten and and and so they're going to be fighting for relevance.

But and I think it's also for for Devin damp Here to just go, Okay, I believe I belonged here, but now I know I belong here.

Does does Jason Beck's offense really work as it clicked?

Because in my mind, this is a blowout win for Utah.

It's an easy win, or it's just one of those clunky, awkward games, and a lot of me just feels like this is going to be a really solid statement almost type of game for Utah coming out of the box.

Ask Bill this yesterday.

I want to kick the times with you on it.

According to CBS Sports, Utah is the third hardest schedule in the Big twelve.

And that's that's that's conference schedule.

They do.

But but but they do.

Scott get all three of the top twenty five teams on the schedule in Saul Lake, Texas Tech, Arizona State, and k State.

But here's my question, what are you willing to say about where you think Utah is prior to their trip to BYU.

It's the opener at UCLA, it's home against cal Poly, It's at Wyoming, and then they open up league play against Tech here in Sault Lake.

Then they're at Morgantown, West Virginia, and then home against Arizona State.

That six game stretch.

What are you willing to say about where you think Utah is prior to the BYU game.

See, well, you know those those non conference they're going to win all of those.

I like getting Texas Tech early on in the year because they may have talent, but I'm telling you it's going to take a while to figure things out.

They did lose the running back.

You know, if you you know, Texas Tech would be a really good team by the end of the year.

I think if you're going to play them, the best time is early which I like.

And it's at home, and it's the conference opener, and it's going to be it's going to be a big game going to Morgantown.

You're going to have to travel some where.

I think it's the same kind of situation.

You know, it's easy.

I think it's a team you can beat.

Uh, they're going to be better.

Rich Rod kind of has this thing going on there.

Uh, and he's good at it and he's kind of returned home.

But uh, I like that.

I think there's a buye before the Arizona State game.

I think there's gonna be some massive excitement about Arizona State because they're the team that has the bullseye and and they beat Utah last year and that never sits well with Kyle Whittingham, and he's gonna he's gonna have a statement.

So you're gonna see just some really great effort.

But you beat Texas Tech, you beat Arizona State at home, Uh, you're you're you're easily inside the top twenty five at that time.

And now now the conversation is going to be about you know where where you know, Utah might be the front runner in the conference at that point and and and that just makes the whole BYU game so exciting.

That's why I love where the conference is now and that these two teams are in this conference.

They're going to start a true freshman at BYU, and that's going to come with its challenges, and quite frankly, I'm excited about that because you know, there's just a lot of mistakes that happened with true freshmen.

So I think you Thaw could be in probably the best position that it could be in at that point.

I hear you about the third toughest schedule, but I like how it's laid out and there's not a part of it that just is overly concerning maybe going to Baylor later in the year, but just how the bye weeks play out, where and when you play the tough teams I think is very favorable to Utah this year.

Scott, thanks for the time, man.

I always appreciate it.

Be safe and we will get you back on again soon.

Okay, all right, so fortunate.

Thanks all right.

Scott Mitchell, former Utah quarterback, played in the NFL for a number of different years.

I always appreciate his time.

Eleven days out man, eleven days away from game day on just a few days away from game day for college football.

It is week zero, uh and a big one in Dublin.

Our guy Chris Camaradnie will be on site between k State and Iowa State.

I'm very disappointed about a number of things with our next live in studio guests.

Number one, he walked in wearing sunglasses inside, and as Larry David once told all of us, there are only two types of people to wear sunglasses inside, blind people and a holes.

I'm the first one I know.

I didn't say, I'm just giving you the Larry David line.

And then we come back in from break.

Dave Fox always chooses his own pumper, and we got a couple of rock one signs with a hand, and I was just hoping our YouTube viewers could see you sitting there with your sunglasses on.

But you've taken throw.

Them on for a second, but they do have reader and you put them on.

Wait hold on, I had you put them on.

Yeah, and you could see you know, so like if you're reading like a cell phone.

Like this, hold on, look at me.

Oh that's so good.

That is so good.

And the prince really small?

Yeah, are you you're sided or far sided.

It's neither.

It's just I can't see small they're readers, so you know what that means.

So my vision is perfect like this, like I can read everything in here but small print.

Like a newspaper if you still had one or a text, it's easier to.

Read with readers.

On when did you have to start using readers?

I'm not even kidding you.

It's like the day I turned forty.

I mean I woke up really at forty, and back then we still had newspapers and had trouble seeing reading the paper.

So you've been us then you've been using readers for forty two years.

Yes, that is wild.

And when you get to my situation and you will, what you do?

You buy them by the gross, and they're everywhere.

They're next to your bed, they're in your office at home, they're your kitchen at home, they're in your car and your office, or they're just everywhere so that they're always within you know they're ready to go.

I'm now in that phase of life where every morning I wake up and something hurts for no reason.

Yeah, whether it's like an ankle or a wrist, or a hit or a back, like it's one thing if you hurt yourself exercising and you get it.

If you wake up and you're like, dude, what is this?

Why does my right ankle hurt for no reason?

I'm in that phase of life physically.

You're older than I am, because I really don't have a huge problem with that.

I'm the iesight thing.

I challenge you to a shirt off challenge.

Dave.

Let's let's don't do that.

Better, Let's don't do that, he says, How are you, man?

What's going on?

I'm doing well.

Welcome back from Indiana.

You finally have the decency to go visit your brother.

I did.

Well.

I mean he guilt tripped me because I hadn't been back there.

Uh.

Carmel, Indiana.

Lovely town and really nice people, beautiful spot.

You know, the Midwest to me is like, you know, it's like Americana.

Everyone's super nice.

And it was good to see him.

And they have six children, David wow, and and all of them, like the oldest are twins in there, twelve and thirteen, and the youngest are babies in their twins.

So we're talking about six like young kids.

And you know, I'm the oldest of six.

So Dave and deb had to deal with it.

And you know, there were six kids under the age of fourteen at one point.

I have a child, I have no ideattributed one.

I contributed one.

I got it started and I said, okay, now the rest is up to you.

And they've done their job.

They are they are replenishing in the earth.

Certainly.

I believe we have twenty two grandkids now and only one is mine.

I don't know if people do it with that many young kids.

I mean, I love all those kids.

They're super sweet, but I'm the uncle, so I can play with them then go to bed.

But you gotta do the whole thing every single day.

That's an energetic ass.

When did the twins pop in?

And that were they first?

So first and last?

There are two sets of twins, two sets kick ends.

So right there you go.

So you're talking about four pregnancies but six kids, correct, So thank you for doing that math.

Yeah.

So my youngest daughter had one child at the time and thought, well, maybe I'll have one or two more and boom, she had twins.

Okay, so maybe she'd probably have another one.

But that that really kind of helps.

I mean, it's they're tough when they're really little.

Yeah, but it's got to be fun and gratifying when they get older.

How many grandkids in the foto?

Nine grand kids?

Yet three daughters each have three Andrew, it appears to be satisfied with dogs.

Andrew Fox out of box is not replenishing.

Nope.

Oh wow, Do I need to DM him on Twitter while he's arguing with YU fans?

That would be nice.

Okay, do whatever you can.

Okay, Well, what's the latest with you?

It's football season?

Yeah, so obviously it's high speed ahead over a KUTV.

Yeah.

We're one weekend high school.

You're not a big high school guy.

But we had a we had a fun opening weekend and we got a fun week this week because Friday we have a team from Nevada coming in playing Skyridge.

So I think that's gonna be fun.

Liberty Nevada against Garage.

You know, it's interesting.

In two weeks we have another Liberty team, but they're from Arizona and they're playing Corner Canyon and it's the state champion Liberty from Arizona against the state champion from Utah.

So a unification bout.

But it's fun.

We're we're enjoying it and uh but like you and everyone else, I can't wait for college football to get going in the NFL.

Yeah, and we are eleven days away from kick for our local teams, but we're just a few days away from week zero, like we're there.

It is here, thank goodness.

Yeah, I cannot wait.

Uh love the NFL, of course.

Actually let's start there NFL at college old school sports soccer radio topic.

If you had to pick one, Okay, if I had to pick one, well, let me can I cavey out this really quick?

So one for college.

I really need to have more of a vested interest in my you know, for NFL.

I'll watch anything, you know.

I just I love NFL.

Like last time, I watched the Bengals for sure and the Commanders and it was fun to watch, especially in the first quarter when they were playing there guys.

Obviously, as you know, Porter and I were hopeless Cowboys fans.

Porter, those whole Micah Parsons things looking bad by that he's not paying attention to that.

Yeah, it's it's not good.

It's today.

The headline was they're headed for divorce.

Yeah, the Cowboys dealing with contracts long term?

Is I don't even know what to compare it to.

Terrible.

It's a train Jerry Jones, so so Jerry Jerry Jones and my father worked with at Legends for a number of years, so they got to know each other.

I think he's aging very poorly, oh extremely.

And I'm not talking about physically.

I don't give a rip what an old man looks like, but like cognitively.

Because he was interviewed at the grand opening or the grand like launch of the Dallas Cowboys documentary that I think it's coming out tonight on Netflix, and he was asked about the noise surrounding Micah Parsons, and you'll have to go back and look at his response because it was weird.

He was like, well, he's like, all I want is people paying attention to us, and if we don't have attention, then I will create attention something like I'm paraphrasing, but it's like that's the exact opposite of the approach that you should take as the owner of a football team.

And look, the Cowboys are the Yankees, they are the Lakers, like they have a built in advantage because of how big their brand is.

It's such a monumental failure of ownership that it has been how long since they were even in the playoffs?

Well, remember they won all those Super Bowls in his few years of ownership and then just collapse.

Well I guess they made the playoffs a few years ago and lost and felt like what like twenty five years since even a conference championship game.

Yeah, it's brutal, and as a as a Cowboys fan, it's and by the way, it's fandom you can't get rid of.

You're a fan of just because you grew up in that are right, right, You're not a fan because you had to layover in the airport and bought a hoodie like a lot of people are.

I grew up in Dallas, so you you can't.

I'm not sure people that flip flop from team team understand you can't get rid of that.

It's ingrained in you and I'm stuck with it.

But I'm you know, I'm fine with it forever, just like you are with the Jets.

So it's not like you could move on and oh, well, you know, we just have to ride it out and hope for the best.

I don't think people fully understand how important ownership is.

I mean, It sounds dumb to say, because obviously you need a good owner to make sure that you're winning winning games.

But the Cowboys thing really reminds me more of the Knicks, right because for twenty five years, the Knicks finally go to the Eastern Conference Finals last year and Jim Dolan, that idiot fires, the head coach fires, Tom Thibodeau.

But like Dallas, there was like a twenty five year gap between anything that was even kind of exciting.

And if you are the New York Knicks, if you're the Dallas Cowboys, you have innate advantages over your peers.

You should be able to take advantage of those.

It's wild to me that Dallas hasn't been able to do that even kind of look at the Commanders, same thing.

The ownership complete disaster.

They get new owners in there, they're already you know, in the playoffs last year, a game away from the super Bowl, and things look good this year.

So you're right, you cannot underestimate how important that is.

Your dad was a franchise owner for a number of years and had a lot of success everywhere went so yeah, no.

He means everything.

He was always one to just hire good people, and let them do their jobs, you know, and give them the support they needed.

Unfortunately, he does not have Jerry Jones oil money, and that would be nice if you did.

And if he did, I wouldn't be doing four hours of sports soccer radio every day none the last year's move on.

Okay, all right, But to answer your question, NFL, just about anyone college Utah byu Utah State.

That's what I pay attention.

Fair enough.

I'm an NFL guy, I think, and look, I love college football as well.

Just give me the best at athletes in the world playing the sport that I want to watch.

And here's the other thing.

And you know this, if you've ever been to an NFL game, the spectator experience, it's second to none.

And also I believe it's the best television show in all of sports, which is why, year over year, the highest rated TV show in America is Sunday Night Football, not the highest rated sports product.

The highest rated TV show in America every year is Sunday Night Football.

Because there's something about the NFL that unites like husbands and wives, like your wife shows up wearing a Steelers uniform, like she wants to watch the Steelers game, your neighbors come over, if you're all fans of the Chiefs or whatever.

There's something that unites sports fans about the NFL that I don't think any other sport has.

The college thing.

You're united by the community that you're in.

You probably met your wife in college.

You probably, like all of my friends to this day, are the guys I went to the U with, right, and so if we get together to watch a U game, there's that kind of camaraderie.

There's just something different about the unification of folks when it comes to a pro football I can't quite pinpoint it, but it certainly is there well.

And again that's why I get back to where I can watch just about any NFL game, But I'm not gonna watch, you know, Vanderbilt play Rutgers.

It just is not gonna happen.

And you know the other thing is too, You're right, you see a little bit.

I love it when the families have, you know, mixed fandom.

You don't see a lot of that in college.

You know, you do a little bit.

It's pretty funny when you get a BYU and Utah split family.

But then again, you get to our family.

I don't know why, but Fox on a box is a Vikings fan.

He has no reason to be a Vikings fan.

I don't think he's even been to Minnesota, huh.

And I raised him as a Cowboys fan.

I even have video of him when he was like, you know, seven or eight, wearing a Cowboys jersey and suddenly now he's a Vikings fan.

But it's just I just absolutely love it.

And you know what, the NFL does a great job of running you said this the game and keeping things on schedule.

You know, they every Sunday, there's games at eleven and two fifteen or two twenty, and they're pretty tight on those.

There's some outliers college can go on forever.

And I don't mind that.

If Utah or BYU or Utah State or playing.

But I just I like the efficiency with what the way the NFL runs its teams in these games.

The other thing the NFL has always done and they were ahead of the curve on this, and I honestly don't know if it was intentional of the NFL, but I just think it's benefited them over the years.

Now every league on every level is in bed with a gambling company, in bed with us betting app right DraftKings Fan Duel, We're a prize pick show.

We all do it because we you know, the business is the business.

It is what it is.

But prior to this widespread acceptance of sports gambling, like I'm entering my twenty eighth year of a fantasy football league with my college friends.

When I was visiting my brother and his wife, they've got two boys that are twelve, one who's ten, and they were doing a fantasy football draft on Sunday night.

And the NFL got ahead of the curve on gambling because yes, if you play in a fantasy football league where the buyen's ten bucks, like the money's not all that big or maybe it's just like dinner on the line, you're still technically gambling every week with your fantasy football team.

And that's been around since the eighties, and fantasy football kind of sparked this level of intense interest to folks unlike any other league.

So I don't know if they fell backwards into it.

Like now there's live betting in basketball and baseball and people love to do that.

I don't condone that because it's not a great approach.

But if you play fantasy football, even if there are pennies on the line, you are technically still gambling, and with that saratonin hit, you're just more engaged on football every Sunday.

That to me is another piece that the NFL got right really early on that really motivates people to watch the games.

Well, two interesting points on that.

One.

ESPN now does that twenty four hours show yea that runs all night long that's strictly about fantasy football and they're drafting their teams and everything never would have happened ten years ago now.

And forgive me, I don't remember the name of this, but there was a documentary on not long ago about a guy who had was doing online gambling, providing it for you know people, I guess you could call it offshore and basically you got shut down and you know, lost everything that he had lost his money in.

The NFL was got behind shutting him down, and now they're all on board.

I guess it's a little bit like nil versus ten years ago when you get you know, SMU gets the death penalty for stuff that it's perfectly allowed now.

But yeah, they have adopted it nicely.

Yeah, full on sponsorships teams in Vegas you thought would never happen.

No, I mean, the money is so stupid that and part of me fundamentally pushes back on this.

The NFL does not need gambling revenue, they really don't.

Yeah, but but the money's so stupid that ultimately it's hard to turn down.

If some sports book opens up their books and they're like, they're going to write you a check for one hundred million dollars to be your partner.

It's hard to say no to that when your job is to create revenue for your company, and that's the job of the commissions, when you may as well be transparent because everyone's doing it anyway, so you take it away from being illegal to you know, you know what.

It's kind of like in just see note that's come up.

I don't mean to change subject.

Here is on the reporting of injuries that now and I'm sure coach Whittingham does love this, but he's always said he would abide by it.

The Big twelve or big Yeah, they're they're.

Like, there's several big conferences are requiring weekly injury report, daily injury reports like the NFL does, and coaches have said for years this is actually a good thing because before when when injuries were kept quiet, you had wise guys calling up people in your program, and that's where you start getting into trouble that are trying to set lines and figuring out who's playing and who isn't just be transparent about it and you don't have to deal with that.

Yeah, And but Kyle also said today that he's not releasing depth charts anymore.

I mean, I knew that he would find a way to circumvent the mandate.

And you do you show us to release the injury reports?

Yeah, only for Big twelve games.

But if you don't have a depth chart, you know, and you're seeing it because the other thing you'll probably do is smudge a little bit where half the roster is probable the other half is questionable.

Like, he's not going to do that.

You got to be careful about it.

I don't all look at the NBA, you know.

I mean, that's what I'm saying, Like this has been mandated in the pros for years, and there are plenty of organizations that circumvent the mandate.

And I thought Kyle would find a way to do it, and he told us what he did today.

That's what that is.

No depth chart that's what that is.

But to your point, I think the broader picture here, I would imagine part of the motive like the treatment Cameron Rising received on our market last year, is embarrassing not by everybody, but by some people, because here's what happens.

Okay, you put a five hundred dollars bet on Utah beat Case State or whatever.

Right then you show up to the game, sitting in your seat, You're like, Okay, I feel good about this one.

First offense rolls out and Isaac sunder center and Cameron's not, And a lot of these idiots pull out the phone and look at Cameron's socials and send him direct messages and attack these players because they put money on a game and then the players aren't available.

So now, if you have that information prior to you still probably shouldn't be an idiot, right and probably shouldn't mortgage the home to see if you can, you know, double your money on a YOUTE game.

But hopefully what this does away with, Dave, are these young men receiving vile messages from degenerate gamblers that are pissed they lost some money.

And that's exactly what what I'm saying.

What the couple of coaches have brought that up to SEC coaches that this is going to I mean, it may create another problem, but it's gonna rid them of one problem, sure, and that's there.

There's always some deep throat in every program that no one knows about that's providing info, you know, under the table to the wise guys, and this will hopefully help deal with it.

So we got a couple of pieces of news today.

Before I say you loose, let's dig into this.

And I found it somewhat interesting that when given the opportunity, both coach Witt and coach Beck were very effusive with their praise for Bird.

For Bird, Ficklin saying, no, this is a race and he's good, even though he's a freshman.

And when you look at both Bird and Isaac Wilson, Bird plays more like Devin than Isaac does.

And so a part of me wondered, like, okay, dual threat athlete, maybe they want him as the backup.

But Isaac was announced today as QB.

I guess it was technically yesterday, but it became official that Isaac Wilson as QB two nine games last year, seven starts overall, was not ready for the moment, and it's not necessarily his fault.

He was thrust into action because Cameron couldn't stay healthy.

I suppose the blessing in disguise is Cam's inability to stay healthy.

Now has Utah with a backup quarterback with legitimate Big twelve experience, because Isaac played in nine games last year.

But your thoughts on Isaac QB two, Well.

It doesn't totally surprise me because of the experience.

But here's the interesting thing.

You were talking about Bird and he's a freshman with no experience, and yet in Provo they're starting a freshman with no experience for the first time ever.

So it just depends on you know what that quarterback brings.

You know, here's another interesting thought.

You can play I believe it's five games and still have a red shirt year.

Now.

I don't know if that's in Isaac's DNA long term because remember Dan Pierre is only a junior, so Isaac theoretically's got to sit for two years.

Red shirting has really kind of slowed way down in this day and age of nil and transfer portal, because what do you do if you don't play?

You just leave?

But maybe that's something that they could consider with him or or Bird.

I don't know what's you know in their mind, but it is interesting that two completely different situations.

Whittingham praising his backup because he has experience, and BYU announcing a starter even though he has no experience wearing number forty seven, by the way, which he will continue to wear.

That's just look really weird.

But Kalani said today, he says one thing about it.

He's a big kid.

He's like six'.

Five he's, huge, right he says he fills it out, well meaning almost like a, linebacker.

Which is what he played linebacker and running back when he was.

Younger that's why he latched on a forty.

Seven so you'll have to get used to.

It it's, weird, Yeah and BEFORE i say you, loose does that?

Change because the other interesting piece, is you, Know Aaron roderick has been a friend for.

Years he was up here at The university Of utah for a number of.

Years he's the offensive coordinator and when you would listen to A rod early, on AND i didn't really know what to make of.

This whenever he was asked About, bear he was very effusive with, praise, smart, good decision, maker and you reference this when you when you watch some tape of BYU's.

Practice bear is built differently than McKay Or.

Tracy he's just bigger with better physical.

Tools SO i think there's a lot of potential, There but he is a.

Kid does this decision change your outlook ON byu?

Season it's so difficult to say because that experience, FACTOR i think is big circles back to you know What winningham said about experience means a.

Lot now we're really not gonna know till we see him in game.

Action, Well Portland state isn't gonna tell us a whole.

Lot i'm not entirely Sure stanford.

Is by the, Way Lemma harrington running the flagout FOR byu at The stanford games because shout hey maybe doing it in a JAZZY i.

Don't, know but he's gonna be there fair.

Enough.

Uh and then so the first three, GAMES i think he can flourish, anyway but you, know we'll see where that.

Goes if he, doesn't that's a problem against those particular.

Opponents but, hey let's given the benefit of the.

Doubt he has all the.

Tools, now you just got to go out and do.

It all, Right, DAVE i will see you in a little bit.

Night, yeah LITTLE tv action.

Tonight, okay talking, sports love.

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Spence hey, body good to see A Dave fox ten thirty five.

Cam why you we call?

It five questions With.

Spence final segment of the program for This tuesday afternoon fun.

Show, today fun time of.

Year it's a scorching hot day, outside but fall is on the, way although it's gonna be very.

WARM i think for the next ten days or.

So looks like we might cool down a little bit next, week but play a little golf and tell the weather knocks us off the golf.

COURSE i referenced this.

EARLIER i got an email this morning That Ryan smith was holding a press conference and wasn't sure what it was.

About want to kind of bring that back, around just so we kind of wrap it.

Up The Smith Entertainment group is partnering With Live nation for a new music venue in Downtown Salt Lake.

City so it did not have to do with the, jazz did not have to do with The.

Mammoth it is an announcement that about a six thousand capacity venue aims to host two hundred events a, year including one hundred.

Concerts it will also host a range of, corporate conference and community.

EVENTS i guess when you get a billion dollars from the, state you can be a little.

Creative So Live.

Nation that's a good partner For Smith Entertainment.

Group so plans between The Delta center of The Salt Palace Convention center continue to kind of take.

Shape so that was the.

News was wondering whether or not it would involve any of the sports products that this the entertainment group, owned but it did.

Not it is a new venue for, events including one hundred concerts in.

Downtown so there you, go all, right eleven days away from Kickoff Utah FOOTBALL Byu, Football Utah state as, Well Notre dame name their starting quarterback.

Today today was a big day as far as the news of starting quarterbacks.

GO.

Cj carr is a red shirt freshman and he will start For Notre, dame the number six ranked team in a.

Country they open up with a tough.

One they Got.

Miami they've Got, miami so they're gonna open up with a tough.

Game we'll see what the freshman can.

Do Isaac wilson is YOUR qb two for The university Of utah backing Up devin Damp here And Bear bachmeyer will BE qb.

One the first true freshman to get the start for the opener FOR byu and the history of the, program seven true.

FRESHMEN i have received snaps Like Zach wilson was a true.

Freshman he played some, Games Taysom, Hill John beck and.

Others so it's not completely unprecedented in the history of the, program but it's unpressed and for a true freshman to get the.

Start so there you.

Go Johnny cash on the program.

TODAY i Gave porter a Little tuesday.

GIFT i figured we'd have more deep tracks BECAUSE i thought you were like A Johnny cash, expert.

Big Johnny cash guy.

Here the problem with his discography is it's like, SO i, mean there's a thousand or more.

SONGS i think our radio play has like twelve of.

Them BUT i don't.

Know even his stuff that's not a deep track is really good in my.

Opinion, okay do you consume any of This Little League World series.

Situation it's been on every day in the studio for.

Weeks once The utah team is, OUT i kind of fell.

OFF i, know that's like very localized and biased of.

Me but, YEAH i listen watching children play.

Baseball i'm mostly good on.

That but if there's like some local, connections local, Ties i'll get behind.

It that's kind of HOW i follow The Little League World.

Series haven't checked In anya for a minute as far as Your New York metropolitans.

Go, dude why does this like every?

Year it's so wild to me because this is a good, roster this is an owner that's writing, checks and they get off to the start And i'm having like visions in my head Of subway.

Series The yankees have their own.

Issues the pen is, horrible but after that, start over the past what six, weeks The mets have been one of the worst teams in.

Baseball, yeah THEY i think they've dropped like eighteen Of i'm, sorry they've been under five.

Hundred they are eighteen thirty four over their last fifty something like they were leading the division before.

That, Right so clearly it's just The mets of.

OLD i sometimes have allowed myself to get excited about good rosters In New york because we've done.

IT i, mean go back to the times that they were somewhat, contending, right they made A World series run with a really good.

Bullpen you go back To Matt harvey And Noah cinderguard And jacob De.

Grom that team had, supposedly that team even had run support With Daniel murphy who went crazy that.

Year, right they've had good.

Rosters that's never the issue In New york and right now they have maybe a top four or five roster in THE, mlb doesn't.

Matter it's The, mets like The, cowboys like Your.

Jets it's just it's its, ownership.

Man and now That Steve cohen's in, THERE i like that he's spending, money but it just it doesn't happen.

Overnight, Right it doesn't happen, overnight and it's not guaranteed to happen just because you spend.

Money AND i think that's what The mets are are learning right.

Now not entirely out of.

It they still have a shot to grab the wild.

Card they're five and a half games Behind philly in THE Nl, east but four and a half games back of the wild.

Card yankees are tied right now for in the wildcard, race five games behind The Blue.

Jays so we do have The pennant race goinging on In Major League.

Baseball but, ultimately right, now it feels like football is where everybody's head is.

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