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Episode 2 - Knoxville Reels
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Speaker 1When Beth, Kris and I went down to Knoxville in August twenty twenty four, we met with Melissa Lee, a former journalist.
She and Beth met years ago when Beth was working for Court TV.
So your your family's Knoxville from way back.
Speaker 2I have been able at this point to trace back four generations.
I don't know.
We may go back further.
I don't know.
In the South, you kind of don't necessarily want to start digging around in your history too awfully lunch, because you're going to find some relatives you didn't know you had.
Speaker 1Melissa has what I would affectionately describe as a high quirk factor.
Today, instead of covering crime for a local newspaper, she spends her days writing and designing what she calls true crime coloring books.
She recently self published her first.
It's called Scene of the Crime, and it depicts famous crime scenes, including the assassination of fashion designer Johnny Versace in Miami and the Cecil Hotel in Los Angeles, known for a series of mysterious deaths.
Speaker 2That's how I vacation.
If I go to a CDI automatically look and see were there any interesting crimes that happened.
I always talk about the victims.
I never talk about the first and who parpetuati the crime.
Speaker 1We're here to talk about what it was like in Knoxville when news broke back in nineteen ninety five that Christa Pike had killed Colleen Slemmer.
Melissa was in her early twenties when Colleen was murdered.
Speaker 2There are a couple of crimes in Knoxville that really define an area or leave an indelible mark.
This is one of those crimes.
Speaker 1The brutal details of the murder, the involvement of teenagers in the torture of a nineteen year old girl, seemed like a specific affront to the decency of the Knoxville community.
Speaker 2The only thing poor Colleen Slimmer wanted to do was make her life better and just I mean, it's not like there was a money motive.
It was a jealousy thing basis.
Speaker 1Awful Knoxville was shocked by Christa's killing of Colleen, but they were even more scandalized by what Christa did in the minutes and hours following the crime.
Details leaked out to the community as soon as Krista was in handcuffs, and those details just got worse and worse.
Speaker 2They carved a pentagram into her chest.
This was the early nineties, and if anybody remembers, that was during the time of Satanic panic, particularly in the South.
Oh my god, Oh my god, there's dabbles in here.
So it got a lot of coverage because of the heinous of the crime and oh there's you know, lock your children up, Satan's out to get them.
Some people believe she was a serial killer who just and I don't even really want to call her a serial killer because I don't know that she fits the exact criteria, and she's not a spree killer, and she's not a well plus, she.
Speaker 1Only killed once.
Speaker 2Well she got called.
Had she not gotten caught, she might have gone on and killed some other people.
I don't know.
That is a prevailing thought, and I don't know.
Speaker 1So the idea is that she was a budding serial killer who was caught after her first.
Speaker 2Victim, yes, possibly.
Speaker 1Thirty years later, Melissa, like most of the Knoxville community, finds it impossible to forgive Christna, to even entertain the idea that she might deserve mercy.
Speaker 2I am a firm believer in rehabilitation.
I do not believe that there's any rehabilitating Christa Pick.
There are no redeeming qualities to Christa Pick.
Speaker 1The portrait that was constructed of Christa, a teenage girl who is portrayed by the media as a monster, is seemingly impenetrable decades later.
So I asked you if you thought Christa should be executed.
Speaker 2I don't know what purpose that serves at this point.
Speaker 1For almost thirty years, Krista Pike has been the only woman on death row in Tennessee, waiting for the day the state will end her life, but so far no date has been said.
Do you think it would have served a purpose if they'd executed her immediately after her conviction?
Speaker 2To people in Tennessee, it would have I don't know what you do with somebody like Chris Pike.
She needs a punishment to fit the crime, but I don't know what that punishment is.
Speaker 1I'm Sarah Trelevin and this is unrestorable Season two.
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Speaker 2Oh see you look down, there's another church, and Rod, here's a church.
Speaker 1The afternoon, we meet up with Melissa.
It's a steamy ninety three degrees.
After stopping for some sweet tea, she offers to take us out to the scene of the crime.
Speaker 2Or in the south where there is a church literally on every corner.
Now that church down there is New Harvest.
That's an ame Zion church.
That's a historically black church.
Speaker 1The drive from Melissa's house to the west end of Knoxville, where Colleen was killed takes around fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2And I keep mentioning religion because I mean, you're in the South.
It's a huge thing and it plays into this case where you had satanic panic and oh my God and whatever.
Speaker 1Before we get to where the murder took place, Melissa takes us to where the Job Corp dormitory used to stand.
This was the organization that both Christa and Colleen signed up for, where struggling students were meant to get help finding an occupation, but job Corps became better known for being chaotic and violent.
The building was torn down shortly after the murder, and a handful of concrete barriers and some overgrown grass now marked the location.
Speaker 2Well, if we will pull out here, Beth, and you're gonna because you can only go lift.
What we're gonna do is we're gonna go right down here to the light, and I'm going to take you on the route that they took to get there.
They walked, Yes, they didn't have a car.
And I got to tell you, the thing that really hit home for me on this is this is going to be quite a walk.
And to think that you had this malice in your heart this entire way.
Speaker 1On January twelfth, nineteen ninety five, four teenagers from Job Corps set out on foot.
Colleen thought they were going into the woods to smoke some weed.
The others had a different plan.
Speaker 2They would have walked up this way, walked over this bridge.
Speaker 1We drive for a while through the Fort Sanders neighborhood, passed a mix of new condos and well kept houses, lots more churches.
Speaker 2All right, now we're approaching Cumberland Avanue, which is the strip.
You're going to make a rye.
Speaker 1And when you say the strip, It's like the strip of commercial for the University areas is.
We pull into Tyson Park and stop in a small grassy log close to the spot Melissa says Colling was murdered.
Even thirty years later, it does feel secluded.
On a Saturday afternoon, There's no one around.
There's no plaque or memorial bench to mark the spot where Colleen was tortured and killed, and so we stand around, uncertain of how to absorb the gravity of the act.
After Colleen was found lying face down in a pile of debris, the Knoxville police corned off the scene with yellow tape.
The scene was wet and muddy, and there were pools of blood, footprints and handprints, drag marks, and other evidence to be analyzed.
The activity created an enormous stir in Knoxville, everyone wanting to know what was going on.
Speaker 3Let's be clear how unusual this was on so many different levels.
Speaker 1This is John North, a reporter in Knoxville who covered Christa's case.
As you can probably tell from his accent, he's not originally from Tennessee.
He grew up in California and moved to Knoxville just a couple of years before Colleen's murder.
Speaker 3After the killing, when the body was discovered, who shows up at the crime scene and the yellow tape Krista Pike does, asking a cop who's on the line, what's going on?
What's happened.
Speaker 1According to police testimony, Christa arrived at the scene the next afternoon with several girls from Job Corps.
Apparently, she asked one police officer if any suspects had been identified.
That officer later testified that Christa was giggling, enjoying the moment.
Witnesses say she seemed unaffected by her violent.
Speaker 3As she was quite fascinated and almost excited by what had happened.
Who does that?
Speaker 1That idea spread fast, the perception that Christa wasn't just unrepentant, but brilliant, like the murder finally gave her something to be proud of, and this would not be the last time Christa would go back to the scene of the murder.
Speaker 4I took her back to the scene, and she played both parts.
Speaker 1This is retired detective Randy Yorke telling Beth about his investigation into Colleen's murder.
When he says both parts, he means that Christa acted.
Speaker 5Out her role.
Speaker 1And the role of her victim, Colleen.
Speaker 4She would get down on her hands and knees and act like she was the victim and tell us what happened.
And she'd stand up and she was very proud of what she did.
She was real cocky in her language and stuff.
You know that this is the greatest thing that ever happened to her.
She was a star.
Speaker 2And when you were getting the confession from her, was she emotional?
Speaker 4No, she was giddy.
She was happy.
I've never seen anybody like her.
She was just as happy as a lark that she was a star.
She thought she was a movie star.
She was giddy the whole time I interviewed her, and I never saw anything that indicated that she had regretted what she did.
Speaker 1We don't have tape of Christa at the scene walking through the reenactment with Detective York, but we do have Christa's confession, which occurred around the same time.
Speaker 4There's some satanic overtures that come up in this case.
Are you involved in Satanism?
Speaker 1No, I've listened to the full tape and it definitely doesn't sound giddy.
Well, Christa doesn't express explicit remorse.
She's clearly extremely upset.
Speaker 5She's grabbing under my arm and grabbing under my hands, trying to pull me in and there and here was Oh, but I was looking at her scare out.
Speaker 1At times through sobs, She's a matter of fact about what she did, volunteering details readily.
Other times she expresses horror at what happened.
Speaker 4I was like, Oh, my god, you know, what the hell is wrong with me?
Speaker 6Her?
Speaker 7What's wrong with everybody?
Speaker 1Word also spreadfast about the supposedly Satanic elements of the case, in particular the pentagram carved into Colleen's chest.
Speaker 4They admitted doing a Satanic chant around the body.
The pentagram was the trapdoor that were released to soul to satan.
Speaker 1Christa's boyfriend to Darryl, later admitted to carving the pentagram.
Speaker 7It received massive coverage, very lurid coverage.
There was a focus on the Satanic aspects supposedly of it, which was an the motive.
Speaker 1Kelly Gleeson, one of Chris's attorneys, disputes the idea that Christa had any real connection to Satanism.
Speaker 7To Daryl was into Satanism, but Christa was into To.
Speaker 1Darryl, christ had told a therapist that to Daryl had gotten her into the occult that he had given her a necklace with a pentagram on it.
She was wearing it when she was arrested.
To Daryl told Christa that he worshiped the devil that he used to sacrifice rabbits back home in Memphis.
He would show Christa how he could move the clouds, conjuring monsters in the sky when he was angry.
When Christa was interviewed by Randy Yorke, she seemed more concerned about protecting to Daryl than herself.
Speaker 5He's been going for all the whut Riley, I mean, he's eve a crown to me like well here.
Speaker 1While in custody at the Knoxville Courthouse, Christa desperately tried to stay in touch with to Daryl.
Word soon got out that she wrote it to Darryl three four times a week, and that she signed the letters little Devil.
Krista told a psychologist that she loved to Darryl, even though she knew it was the wrong kind of love.
He liked to watch her fight other men to dictate what she wore.
She liked having sex with him, but the relationship made her cry an awful lot.
Christoph felt like he was powerful, like he was protective of her, so she clung to him.
Speaker 7When she's talking about to Darryl, I just love him, I just love him to death.
And it's just it's like classic childish love infatuation.
And he has a chance, he can be somebody.
He's been crying real tears to me.
And you know, she thinks she's nothing.
She thinks she's not worth saving.
Speaker 1The story of the murder was everywhere.
Whispers about satanic rituals, questions about wayward teens bullying each other, rumors of a love triangle.
But when the results of Colleen's autopsy leaked out, things got even uglier.
The medical examiner counted the blows to Colleen's head, two to the left side, one over the right eye, and one in the nose area.
There were divots in Colleen's skull containing particles of the asphalt chunk christ to hit her with.
But there was one detail that for many in Knoxville, sealed Christa's fate, something she'd never be able to come back from.
When the medical examiner tried to piece Colleen's fractured skull back together, she couldn't.
She was missing a piece.
Ye let me ask you this.
Speaker 4I told you about a little piece of her skill that I knew that you hated.
Speaker 1I don't have that.
Speaker 2You don't have it.
Speaker 1What would I want a piece of per school?
According to court records, after Christa smashed Colleen's head in, she bent over and collected a piece of colleens fractured skull, and she kept it.
Krista put it in the pocket of her black leather jacket.
When she got back to the job Cordorm, she showed it to at least two other students.
She even brought it down to breakfast the next morning.
Later, when police searched her clothes, they found it.
Detective Randy Yorke believes it was part of Christa's pact with the devil.
Speaker 4You have a piece of skull, all the skulls you have that person's power.
That's the only thing I could figure.
I could never get it out of them why they took the piece?
But so, how would you characterize you know, Krysto Pike.
Well, I don't like saying this, but I wasn't sure about demonic possession until I met that girl, and now I'm over most norm behavior.
Speaker 1The skull became the most powerful detail in this case.
A story in the Knoxville News Sentinel a week after the murder alleged that Christa took the fragment to trap Colleen's soul in her body.
For many, the skull was as symboled that Krista wasn't wholly human, wasn't like the rest of us.
That as much as a piece of Colleen had been taken, there was a piece of Christa that was never there.
Speaker 2When the piece of skull got out, that's kind of the death neal for Krista.
You know, people can be like, Okay, she was young.
Okay, maybe we just give her a laugh about parole and she can live her best life behind bars doing whatever.
The piece of skull.
You're not coming back from that In.
Speaker 1The South, Why what is the connection.
Speaker 2When you die in the South, The desecration of the body in any way, shape or form is just not It just ain't right.
There are some times you're just not going to come back from carrying around a piece of somebody's skull.
And I don't care that it was only two days.
I don't care that it was only a day.
I care that she took it, because what's going on.
Speaker 1In that mind, Christa's lawyers see it differently.
Speaker 6So I would say, yeah, that the skull is there, and if you isolate it, you've got a really bad fact.
But you've got to look at a little bit more than that.
Speaker 1For Steve Ferrell, this wild act of violence, the taking of the skull fragment, is evidence of just how unwell Krista was, how broken she was a kid with severe mental illness, a lengthy history of sexual abuse and deprivation.
It's not that she was irredeemable or unfixable, but that she had been failed over and over by people and systems.
Speaker 6I think it's a symbol of I've taken a life and I am proud of it, or I don't care, or it's funny, or I don't know what exactly was going on then, But I think it's that, and I think that there's a reaction to someone that callous, is irredeemable or unrestorable, as you all might say.
And if you look at it as such a simple story, which is what the criminal justice system wants us to do, guilty, not guilty, life, death, that's easy, and it's very easy to get a limited snippet of something, draw conclusion and stand firmly on it.
If you look at that skull as the desperate attempt of a sexually abused, stunted, mentally ill little girl, you have pity.
If that's all you can do to get attention, if that's how you win over your boyfriend, if that's how you impressed the kids at school.
Speaker 5It's hard to say what was going on in Christa's head at the time, but I do think that there's a lot of evidence and testimony that she was going through a manic period and was very agitated with the bipolar disorder at the time, So I hesitate to say that she even really thought about or was consciously knowing what was going on.
Speaker 1This is Molly Kincaid, another one of Christa's attorneys.
Speaker 5Christa's life was just this locomotive of violence, instability, lack of connection, lack of people she could trust, rely on, feel loved, and then the train went off the tracks.
But that's like to be expected because she she had nothing and she had no one.
Speaker 1The idea that Christa wasn't just someone guilty, but someone irredeemable had quickly taken hold in Knoxville, and so when prosecutors announced that they would be seeking the death penalty.
It felt to many like an opportunity for justice, like killing Christa wouldn't just avenge Colleen's death, it would stop Christa from doing more harm.
And at Christa's trial, which introduced a whole new layer of dysfunction to the case, the debate was never over guilt or innocence, but whether Christa should live or die.
We know now that Christa was sentenced to death, but her lawyers today say that she never had a chance.
Speaker 2I should be to one in Percy, not for I should be one they punished for.
Speaker 4This crab, not for.
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