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Diperu Vic is in San Francisco live at Radio Row.

I do want to start with the Nuggets.

I'm really sick in Taiwan.

I'm sick, but I'm sick and tired, vick of every time the Nuggets play, I have to talk about something that's not even the result of the game.

It was a great game, but I watched Jokic go down clutching his legs again.

Now luckily he stayed in the game.

It was an ankle.

He was fine.

But then Peyton Watson walks immediately off the floor holding a hamstring and Spencer Jones got concussed.

Yep, I'm tired of it.

Yep, I'm so over it.

Yeah, and my hip hurts.

It's hurt for about two weeks.

I mean, dude, do I we need to have Kyrie come over there and burn some sage or something and walk around like because this is insane.

See no baser Jones before we get into the discombobulation of the Nuggets lineup, because this is what it's caused.

It's called discombobulation.

There's no chemistry.

It feels like there's a new team every night and they start games.

You can see it in the way they finish games.

Uh, different lineups, different trust factors, and it's affecting the way they play.

You can see it unfold before your eyes.

Okay, I want to get into that in a second.

But listening to that open and hearing Cause talk about Joker's triple double.

It's funny because I watched the game on ESPN last night in San Francisco, because it was on ESPN nationally, I didn't know Joker had a triple double.

It's it's interesting how the broadcaster of the game will you'll inherit certain thoughts based on who's broadcasting the game, Like I had no idea.

They never mentioned it.

They never mentioned a Joker triple double.

We do it all the time when we've covered the Nuggets, right because we're used to it.

Nor did they mention again.

And I hate to go here, but on the broadcast last night, follow along and tell me if I'm wrong, all right, because I watched the entire broadcast and maybe I missed it.

I think on about ten occasions they talked about how the Knicks were missing Josh Hart.

Oh my god, what a big win without Josh Hart.

Hello, excuse me.

Aaron Gordon and Cam Johnson are still out and Peyton Watson only played half the game.

Are they just missing this stuff?

Or what am I missing?

Not again, this has nothing to do with the outcome.

It has nothing to do with the result.

I'm just being a little nitpicky here.

I don't understand this.

Josh Hart was mentioned four or five times in that game.

Hello, hey over here, Aaron Gordon, he's out, he's been out, he's gotta be out four to six weeks.

And now Peyton Watson is headed down that same road.

Yeah.

The update, by the way, after last night, this from Bennett Durando.

Peyton Watson will have an MRI and his hamstring.

Don't want to speculate too much, but certainly seems like he could miss a decent chunk of time.

Spencer Jones told me he got a concussion on the head to head and play with Kat.

Not the first time Peyton Watson suffered a hamstring injury.

If you remember two seasons ago, at the start of the season, he missed the first I believe eight weeks.

Check my work for me, please, would Youinelly go back and look at it.

After the championship season, he missed all of training camp and missed the first part of the season and it was a long haul back.

It took a while for him to heal.

So it's not the first hamstring injury.

For Peyton Watson, this is his second that's been three years.

But to watch him clutch it the way he did, and the fact that they have to they're undergoing an MRI.

This is not just a mild cramp.

No, that looks serious.

And here's the problem, Like your team very obviously has two guys right now that and I think this actually exacerbates the problem.

Joker and Christian Brown have never really been heard before, They've never really missed time, and I think that miss time is really affecting them.

Like Christian Brown is looks like he's scared to do anything offensively.

Credit to him that he hit the two clutch free throws to send it into double overtime.

Vic I actually, I'm not even kidding.

When Jamal missed the shot, I changed the channel so fast that I didn't see that.

They called the fuel Yeah, and then I walked out of the room and I came back and I go, why are we in the second overtime?

What's going on right now?

Can I be honest for a second, I thought the officiating in the final minute was absolute.

Yeah.

I don't want to give it a word.

The mystery trip foul on Christian Brown Oh my god, where the Nuggets had to expend a timeout so they lose a time out and an opportunity to challenge was ridiculous.

Yeah, and then, frankly, I'm gonna look at it both ways.

That foul call at the end of the game that allowed Christian Brown to shoot free throws was ridiculous.

If shoes on the other foot, I'd be livid.

Literally said the same thing I said.

Shoe on the other foot, I would be incensed.

Ridiculous call.

Two ridiculous calls that affect the outcome of a game.

But and I can't help but think that one was a makeup.

Well, it could be, But all I'm saying is credit to Christian Brown for knocking down the two free throws, but very clearly Vic Joker was ten of twenty seven from the floor.

He's not right yet.

He looks kind of out of shape, which is to be expected when he can't use a leg for a month.

Christian Brown looks a little bit out of shape.

They look dead tired at the end of that game.

And I know that they played a lot of minutes, but I think that's more of a byproduct of either guys not playing a lot recently or guys playing too much recently.

It's been like a combination of kind of both there.

But how about this, Joker and Jamal Murray combine for four of twenty seven from three point range, and still at the end of regulation, backboard rim, backboard rim, it looked like Joker was going to hit the game winner and you still somehow.

Pull on a reel unreal.

That would have been an Escape from New York type of win.

Maaphaan Nuggets won because, to be honest with you, they didn't deserve to win that game.

No, they were just in it at the very end.

A lot of circumstances another you know, it's probably a double digit deficit at halftime.

If Jamal doesn't go nuclear to start the game, it's taken a while to get the engine started.

He just sort of said, Okay, I'll do this, guys, nobody wants to come along.

I'll do this.

I'll handle this.

So he dominated the first quarter and then he went cold.

Yep, he went cold for a while, and they had their hits and misses.

Too many different lines up, too many people in and out.

I can't even blame the players because Jamal said it afterwards I didn't even know Peyton Watson was out.

I thought he was coming back.

They don't know who they're playing with.

I know every other minute here who's on the court.

I mean, Bruce Brown played power forward for the entire second half.

Neck crazy.

You got a six foot four power forward because they ran out of players.

Yeah, it's hard to blame them.

Now on the other side, the Avs get the win yesterday.

Was that that was a much more dominant game than this score was going to tell you it was.

I mean, the Abs could have been up five to nothing after the first period.

They just couldn't find the back of the net.

But they do find a way to get the four to two win over the Sharks.

They get a win before this break.

Now they keep their five point lead against Minnesota and their six point lead against Dallas alive, and now they get a nice little reset here.

I'll say this, there is I think a huge benefit to this right coming when it did.

It was something I was just kind of thinking about because we talked to Benar yesterday and we asked him about the power plays we have every week so far this season, and the power play was once again over three last night.

It's okay at times.

But he said something that I think is a really smart way to go about this, of what this break can provide for that simple aspect of the team.

You can't carry the baggage of the fifty some games we've played now into the next game.

But I don't see anyway but to just get them on the same page, make sure they know what they're supposed to do, and then try to execute through it.

But if you're taking fifty games with baggage and that sort of frustration of mentality into every game, then you're not going to have success.

Right.

I look at the Detroit game and I go, okay, repeat it, repeat it tomorrow night, and you guys will score.

Yeah, you have six seven scoring tens and two power plays.

It's a good you're looking for those quality chaps.

Someone needs to put one in the back of the vet and get the snowball rolling downhill a little bit.

I think that's so true.

You can't think about the fifty previous games.

You just got to kind of reset.

And Vicky, you playing a lot of golf.

I would compare the same thing to baseball.

You have like a rough first five holes, or in baseball you're oh, for your last seventeen.

You can't think about the seventeen previous at bats.

You gotta move forward.

At the same time, they got into the clubhouse after the first nine and they birdied number nine, So they're feeling positive night.

Go get a hot dog, Go get a beer, rest a little bit, go to the bathroom, and get ready for the back nine.

Right, And I think that this three week break can provide that along with how about this VIC.

This is just something I was thinking about.

Maybe for you guys like mccarr McKinnon, when they're playing for Team Canada and these Olympics, they go on to power play and actually have success, maybe that breeds confidence when they come back.

Who knows.

I just told upon Hope that they can stay healthy.

Half the damn roster is going to play in the Olympics for Team Avalanche.

And I know as a coach coach Betnar is proud of his guys.

He's happy for his guys.

Who'll be cheering for his guys, But deep down he is he's scared.

He don't want to because these dudes are gonna give it up for their countries and they should.

They should.

You just want to make sure nobody gets hurt.

Nobody needs to pull a Kachuk the way he got hurt at the UH the Four Nations.

So come back in one piece and make a stretch run here.

I did ask him, yes, first case scenario there.

I did ask him yesterday, And Nellie will try and find it.

But if he is more excited or nervous watching his guys play in the Olympics, he said, he's more excited.

But I you can tell it's like, we just need to stay healthy here and we can make a real run at this.

Sure, because the good news is that, but it looks like both Landeskog and Natures is going to be at they've been playing in the Olympics, and there's a chance Logan O'Connor can be back after this break too, which would make you almost fully healthy.

Yeah, and do not dismiss that, Do not discount that.

We talk about it all the time, and yet I don't think we give it enough health.

I was watching as I'm watching that Nuggets game last night and the Avs game, I'm thinking to myself, Okay, these aren't the teams that we know right now.

These aren't them.

They're missing key pieces.

These aren't who started the season.

These aren't those teams.

When they become those teams, we'll be able to fairly evaluate and assess them.

The Nuggets team was the Nuggets team for all of ten games, and that's it.

The starting five opened the season eight and two, and that's it.

Ten games is all we've seen so far.

That's the only piece of evidence we have that this team is a championship contender, fully healthy ten games before injuries started happening.

And for the ABS it happened a little later, much later.

But once guys went down, you saw what happened.

We've seen what happened.

We're probably gonna have to wait until April VIC to find the Nuggets potentially fully healthy, potentially fully healthy again April like.

And that's scare OFFFS, that's scary.

Hey, I you know, I know we're oscillating back and forth between the ABS and Nuggets right here, but they're pretty much in the same predicament.

And the predicament is can you get these guys back on the ice and back on the floor in time to gel for the playoffs?

That is the question now, yeah, and for the ABS, there's a secondary question, can you fix the power play before the playoffs.

I don't know what they're gonna be doing for three weeks, but maybe they're doing some you know, power retreat where they can work on it.

I'm looking at the Nuggets schedule, okay, and listen.

There is no shame the last three losses the Nuggets have suffered if you look at it on the surface.

Okay, see best record in base in basketball, no shame in that.

You'd want to win, but no shame in losing that.

Yep, on the road at Detroit, best record in the Eastern Common had a chance to win, but no shame.

You know, you don't cower in the corner and cry after losing to Detroit.

It's best record in the East.

The New York next second game of a back to back, another quality team you lost in double overtime with injuries galore, No shame.

Those are three losses.

To be honest with you.

As much as I hated to see him, it sucks.

I'm not sitting here crying about it.

Yeah, those are acceptable losses, if there is such a thing.

However, I'm looking at the rest of the schedule.

Now at Chicago, You've already lost to them once this season, then Cleveland comes to town.

You've already lost to them once this season.

There's a bunch of teams here that you have to beat.

Now.

If you want to get to where you hope to get, you have to this stretch run for the Nuggets.

It is not easy.

I'm looking at late February.

I'm looking at at the Clippers at Portland, which is a tough win, at Golden State, Boston, OKC, Minnesota.

Look at that stretch, then the Lakers, then the Knicks again, then Oka see then Houston, then San Antonio, then the Lakers again.

Look at that stretch.

Yep, you kidding me.

This does not get easy here, folks.

Not only are you not healthy, your schedule's not doing you any favors.

The Nuggets are currently in third place.

They're now two games behind San Antonio.

They're now on me half game ahead is Houston a full game ahead of Minnesota.

They're barely hanging onto that dropping hurry.

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Vicause in San Francisco down at Radio Row.

Moje is in Epana or at least making his way to Spain.

So he is off for the he will be leave.

He'll be reevaluated in four to six weeks.

I think, yeah, that's the call.

When when did he take off?

I think he's like at the airport.

Now, oh, who told you that?

I'm surprised he hasn't tried to call in to get a day of labor, a day of work.

You and me both.

If he does call Nelly, you know what to do, right.

You cut that phone Nick, Yeah, you cut that phone line immediately.

So first of all, I know you had a chance.

You had a really good conversation with Ryan Leaf.

We're going to run that in about twenty minutes.

Yeah, that was heavy, and we're not going to run the whole thing because it's about twelve minutes long.

I will post that up on social media if you want to watch the whole thing, because he got really heavy about his personal issues.

And I don't know if you guys read the news, but yesterday Ryan Leaf, before that interview took place, like literally minutes before, was involved in a kerfuffle with the former Chargers team doctor, that doctor Chow who's now the Internet doctor.

Yeah, guy who sort of diagnoses every injury.

I was gonna ask you about that.

Did you see it?

I didn't see it take place, but as soon as he sat at our table, he goes, yeah, just got into it with my old doctor.

I'm like, huh, yeah, I should have done that, and I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about.

And then I read about it afterwards and yeah, apparently there were some words exchanged.

So he was the doctor when he was in San Diego.

Is that he was?

Yes, Yeah, he was the doctor when Ryan played for the Chargers.

And I don't know Ryan leave.

You'll hear it from the interview.

He's still chasing some demons.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So we'll get to that in twenty minutes.

We're also going to talk to Ryan Harris, who's down there with you at Radio Row at eight fifteen this morning, as he's with Westwood One.

But I've seen two names because Vic from the guys you've talked to, I mean, Terrell Davis said it, what's the issue with the Broncos offense?

They need to get better talent wise, Like he wants to see better running backs, and I think that's been mostly the common theme from people who have been asked about what's what do the Broncos need this offseason?

It's more talent on offense, and so it's where do you find it.

AJ Brown looks like he's going to be out in Philadelphia.

That's a name that I saw brought up.

Tyler Plumbus is doing this engagement farming thing on Twitter.

Now.

It's like he's trying to make some some Twitter bucks.

He's been doing this a lot.

Twitter has anything, Yes he has.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed it.

I got to call him out.

He went from being invisible to all of a sudden, Hey, mister social media poster.

It's like if I started doing it, victim, if you saw me posting twelve times a day, you'd be like, what's going on with You know he's trying to get those Elon bucks.

At least I have an excuse.

I've done it from day one.

You have, yes, you can't stay off it.

But he said AJ Brown's going to be available.

What do you guys think?

Hard pass Like, I I know that you need talent and there is no question, VIC, that AJ Brown is supremely talented.

He's big, he's fast, He's got all the tools that you want.

I want that guy nowhere near my locker room, so he.

Would be the equivalent.

Yesterday was brought up, how about Draymond Green with the Nuggets, hard pass for for me?

Right, same type of player, good player, talented player.

But I think he would do he would not do good for your locker room.

That one's a little bit different because that's it's a different personality sort of fit Draymond Green.

Say what you want about him, Vic, He's all about the team in winning.

He will do whatever it takes to win.

He doesn't care about his own numbers.

He cost you games too.

From an attitude perspective, yes, but it's not.

It's not a selfish nature from him, you know what I mean?

Like he he is ultimately about whatever I got to do to get the dub.

I'm gonna get the dub.

It's not a diva.

Yes.

AJ Brown is about I get mine.

I still remember they won the Super Bowl a couple of years ago.

He sends an Instagram post from some King Kun or something, and he goes, man, it was great.

To win.

But now it's my turn, and it's like, what the hell are you talking about?

It's your turn?

Yeah, if you go back, because I looked at it again.

The Broncos played the Eagles in Week five of this season.

Philadelphia was four to zero heading into that game, and the story leading up to it was AJ Brown's unhappy and what did they do in that game?

They targeted him eight times through the air, and they ran it with Saquon six times as a hey here, now shut up the game, and they lost because of it.

I don't want somebody like that anywhere near this locker room that just won fourteen ball games.

Yeah, I could see it, I can feel it.

He's not that kind of player.

He's you know what, He's almost like James Harden.

I said the same thing.

I didn't hear you say that.

That's funny that we're thinking the same way.

He's a great player who makes individual plays, but he's not a winning player.

Big difference there.

Supreme talent.

He makes your team look way better once once it's on paper, but the actual act of putting him in I think hurts you more than it helps.

And here's another name that a lot of Broncos fans have thrown out there right, No, no, George Pickens, no you that was coming, like you have to factor in the guy.

Because again, George Pickens, big, tall.

Fast, supremely talented.

Unbelievably talented.

I've witnessed that man straight up quit in multiple games on multiple teams.

So are all the talented guys crazy?

What's happening here?

No, Pooka is not crazy.

Justin Jefferson.

I mean, he's got a little bit of Deva mentality, but he's I said this too.

Those guys aren't good enough for me to overlook that.

Vick.

If Terrell Owens was in his prime right now and he wanted to come to Denver, he's so good that I'd be like, all right, I'll try it.

I'll try it, like you're that good.

Those guys aren't that good.

They're good, not that good, but I can't you have.

Somebody texted this in and I think they're right, Texter said, mark my words, George Pickens will go full Albert Hainsworth when he gets paid.

He might.

He actually might where I don't care.

I got my money, I'm done now.

I just you need to find talent that is mixed with the right kind of guy.

Can I offer this?

I mean, here we are.

It is seven thirty on this Thursday morning.

The Super Bowl is now three days away.

I am on Super Bowl roll and this is not a referendum on this show.

It's just the game itself.

How often have we sat down and talked about this game, this actual matchup, this game.

I haven't brought it up yet today.

I think we've brought it up maybe twice in the last three days since I've been here.

It's the craziest thing.

I sat down with Woody Page yesterday.

He's here doing Gorilla Sports, and we brought it up during our conversation.

Nobody cares about this game.

Yeah, it's crazy, Like do you care about this game?

I don't care about this game.

It's Super Bowl Week, surrounded by media here for this game, and no one is talking about the game.

Okay, it's I think there's a lot of factors to it.

For us, It's like, are we jaded because we feel like the Broncos could have should have been in there?

That's one thing.

Sure, I understand the Denver perspective.

I'm talking of about just a buzz.

So is does this lend credence to the idea that maybe you do need superstars to play in this to gain some sort of oomph that Holmes, do you need Tom Brady?

Do you need guys like that to participate in these games?

That?

And there's a drain because it's this.

It's the Patriots again.

I mean, the Stucks have been in multiple times since.

I know, but I just think people are tired of that song and dance.

Be totally honest with you, and it's not just sour grapes.

It's the truth, right, It's the truth, man.

There's just nothing.

I don't care.

Well, I'm gonna watch it, You're gonna watch it.

We're all gonna watch it because it's a super Bowl.

Of course we're gonna watch it.

But I don't care at all.

Well, is it?

Does anybody care?

Is it?

Because?

I mean, do you can?

I mean, seriously, I want Seattle to win for obvious reasons.

But there's no like sit on the edge of my seat.

There's there's nothing to really nothing at steak here.

All right.

Let me ask you this.

If the bron if Josh Allen makes the pass to Dawson Knox and they beat the Broncos at the end of regulation in the divisional round and they're in this spot.

Does this game have way more Jews if it's not.

If it's Buffalo and Josh Allen.

Yeah, of course.

And Josh Allen is going for his first ring and that'll be the big storyline going in.

And I've got a couple of Texters saying that I said the same thing last year.

Well, last year's game involved the Chiefs, So I was jaded obviously last year, clearly, So maybe I'm just admitting my extreme bias in Jade here.

Whatever.

I think this has a lot to do with you think of Super Bowl in super Bowl for better for worse.

This is what we've turned our sports into.

It's become about legacy and talks like that.

And I don't think anybody cares if Sam Donald wins.

If this was Josh Allen versus Matthew Stafford.

I think this game is insanely talked about.

One hundred percent.

It's a different type of game.

Because with Josh Allen, it's like, can he get his first Super Bowl?

With Matthew Stafford, it's like if he gets a second, then where is the all time in quarterback rank?

He's like, that's the discussions you'd have, and nobody cares if Sam Donald wins and Drake May and the Patriots.

You're just kind of like meh.

So I'm asking you, the listener, the viewer.

Some of you are saying, don't tell me what to do, says Johnny Jazz.

You're not my boss.

I'm not telling you what to do.

I'm asking you.

Do you care?

Do you care about the game.

I got no juice going into this game at all.

Zero.

I'm here and I got no juice.

That's not I'm having dinner all alone because Jesse left me all by myself.

Oh dare you?

Jesse at Jasper's restaurant joining the hotel and there's this Seattle super fan that's there, you know, one of these super fans that shows up and he's got all his garb and I'm like, hey, what's up with that?

And he goes, yeah, yeah, he introduced himself and he goes to every Seattle game.

His friend came all the way up from Australia.

He's a Seattle super fan and they're into it.

Man, they're into it.

And I said it, huh in it?

Yeah, of course I know.

But they're like really into it, and they're nervous.

They said, yeah, their safety at practice hurt his ankle yesterday.

They're so nervous.

Says hey, guys, don't be nervous.

You're gonna win this game pretty handily.

Calmed down, New England's not that good.

Calm down, You're gonna win.

Donald's gonna be crowned, MVP.

You see it, you got it, don't worry about it.

But they're they're so into it, and I wished at the time.

I said, ye, I wish I had just a modicum of their energy and buzz for this game.

I just can't.

Manifact isn't that also it?

You just said Seattle's gonna win, It's gonna be a blowout.

Now, if that's the assumption, then yeah, that changes the way that you're gonna view a game too.

I think a lot of people feel like Seattle's gonna dominate this game.

I'm one of them.

As somebody says, well, we're still gonna watch it.

Of course you're gonna watch it.

What sports fan?

What American doesn't watch the Super Bowl?

Again?

One of my favorite social I love the sociological nature of walking outside during the Super Bowl to see who's not watching the Super Bowl?

Yeah, you know, isn't that always intriguing to see the people that aren't watching the Super Bowl?

Like what are you doing?

I will never forget, dude.

I know this isn't the super Bowl, but it was.

It was such a crazy thing to me.

The first year that I moved here was the first time that Nebraska came back and played SeeU H.

So all my family, it was not my family, like wife's family, her brother, all that stuff was in town.

So I went down to have a few beers with them before the game.

And we're walking through this neighborhood.

I can see folsome I can see it, and this woman's walking her dog.

Yeah, and she stops us.

She goes, hey, why is everybody wearing red today?

And I was just blown away.

I'm like, ma'am, you live.

You could throw a rock and hit the stadium.

What do you mean You've already went two and two together.

I've already had this rant.

I gave it the rant mid season and that was three d on.

Maybe it's different now.

Yeah, but during during a Broncos game, you could walk through Denver during a Broncos game in the eighties and the streets would be literally empty.

I walked through North Denver during a Broncos Sunday now and there are people walking their dogs, tossing around the frisbee, having a good old time, and I just shake my head.

It's just so different.

It's just transplants that have zero interest, zero vested interest in the hometown team.

Zero.

Yeah, and that's what it's become.

But again, I think you're right that this game obviously has less juice.

I think it's a number of factors.

One of them is quarterback matchup isn't something that interests people, and that's how they sell football now.

Second, well, let me think about it.

Donald and May.

Can there be two more quiet quarterbacks in the history of the game?

Donald and Nicks?

Yeah, those two as well.

I mean, listen, I am not that blind here that if it were the Broncos, it'd be the same thing for most of the country, same way.

There's no juice.

But Drake May and Sam Donald, you put them up, you barely get four words out of them.

Yeah, I mean, text are so right that if this was Josh Allen and Matthew Stafford, like, this game has a ton of a ton of buzz a ton.

But it's just it's not the appeal.

It's not.

But you're also, says this Texter, Travis, you're also walking around.

You're mad at people doing the same.

I'm not walking around, I'm observing people walking around on a Broncos Sunday, Travis, and you sound like you're one of them.

Get in your house and watch a damn game.

Your dog can walk after the game.

You got that, Travis.

You wait till the game's open.

Next time.

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Uh a little chat with Ryan Leaf that VIC had yesterday.

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Stick around VIC live from Radio Row in San Francisco.

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So yeah, VIC, you had a chance to talk to Ryan Leaf yesterday.

By the way, that was the running gag when I was on with the PhD in the afternoon and everything was so, yeah, they should make a commercial right now with PS two pushing what is it bound Bounty?

I called it representing Bounty here today, So yeah, I did.

Seriously, if they were smart, they would release a commercial just saying.

That, yeah, I'm here representing tagline Bounty.

So yeah, So I don't know what Ryan Leaf is representing outside of himself.

Yeah.

Ryan Leaf, of course, the former NFL quarterback played for the Chargers, played for the Washington State college team.

What's that Koog's Yeah, And he came out the same year as Peyton Manning and there was a lot of debate who would be the number one pick, and we got into that in his relationship with Peyton Manning.

A little later, we'll play that portion of the interview.

It was really heavy man when he went to prison.

I mean, this is a guy, Ryan Leaf.

If you don't know his history, he's gone through it.

Deamons.

Yes, he's had a very rough life last few years, and he was in jail for a while.

Hell, he tried to take his life.

And Peyton Manning, of all people, the guy who was with him, who walked with him during those days in college, he reached out to him and helped shepherd him through those dark years in jail.

We'll get into that later.

I also asked him about bo Nicks because he covers a lot of college football and as an analyst covers a lot of football games up in the Great Northwest, and he loves bow and had a lot of good things to say about Bonix.

He got very particular as to why, So listen to this conversation.

Ryan Leef still knows his quarterback play Denver Broncos around the way to the Super Bowl, they hosted an AFC Championship game, and in the final moments of the divisional playoff, bow Knicks just mysteriously breaks his ankle.

You ever heard of anything like that before?

I freakish thing.

I texted Bow after the game.

Well, I waited about five or six days, so everything can kind of cal him down.

He's an exceptional player, and I'm telling you there's a there's a definitely different outcome if he's the starting quarterback.

You know, nothing against study, but like that he is.

He is kept rising and rising and getting better and getting better and getting better.

I'll tell you a little story about Bone next, please do so you know, covered him in the Pac twelve and then uh played in this golf tournament at Bandoned Dunes with him and got to know him a little bit.

And then one of my high school teammates has a son that's that's on on the spectrum a little bit but has the same birthdate as Bonis and loves bo Nix.

And all I did is reach out to Bone.

I say, both, could you sign a jersey for him?

Not only does both sign it for him, but he sends it FedEx, and you know on the mail it says from bow Knicks and it has in the kid is over the moon.

It changes his whole his whole living room or bedrooms like that.

And then sure enough, when Bo gets hurt, the kid standing next to this frame, Jersey says, we're praying for you.

We love you, Bo.

And so I just sent him that video about six days after and and Bo was just like thanks, you know, like just things that that keep me moving forward.

He's gonna get healthy, he's going to play in this offense and have another year under his belt, and they're gonna have a chance to get back to this this this situation.

There's no there's no reason why they shouldn't.

What makes him so great that you describe him?

What is it about his game?

Uh?

Well, he he he is a third down monster.

I think that's the best way to describe bow Knicks.

He is a real problem for any defensive coordinator on third day, the most important play, for the most important play for a quarterback.

He can do it with his arm and more portly.

And I think this is incredibly important is that he can use his legs.

And I don't mean in a way that he's a running quarterback like he like how Patrick Mahomes was a problem on third down for about the last seven years.

Yeah, that's what bo Nix presents, finding a way, finding a way to get the first down and everything.

Whether he does that with his legs and he does a tremendous job and when he steps up in the pocket keeping his eyes down the field.

And Davis Webb, I think has had a real real hand in this, making him understand when you get those opportunities and they play a lot of two man and third down, you have those defenders with their backs to you.

You either run it or you have a chance to get the ball down the field.

And he made a lot of hay this year I did.

I think he's the I think he's the third down monster of this league.

That's great to hear.

All Right, you're on a par five at Olympic Club, you're tied with the guy you're betting against.

Do you go fourt and two or do you just play it conservatively.

I'm not hitting that.

I'm not hitting that two hundred and thirty to two hundred and forty yard club very well right now.

And so you know, and less and less, I feel really confident with it.

I am really dialed in.

From about one hundred and fifteen to one hundred and.

Thirty, twenty year old Ryan Leef put a golf for hell.

Yeah, and it would have ended up in the ocean, and I would have taken seven and lost the match.

The man right, Thank you very much.

I appreciate your time, Thank you, sir.

Thanks.

Yeah, we sort of segued into golf there, as we often do, because we started the conversation he walked up.

We were working on our golf swings here in the media room.

But you could tell what he likes about bon Nicks.

And that's such a great point that he made there about third down, which is a quarterbacks down.

John Elway said this years ago when he evaluated, like Tim Tebow used to come on our radio show years ago and he said, you know, Tim's fine, He's got to work on third downs.

And I kept saying, why does he keep bringing up third down?

And how important third down is?

That is a quarterback's down, especially the way that Broncos finding themselves third and long all the time, and bone Nicks has a way of executing those third and longs.

He just has a knack for He's a gotta have it quarterback, like when you gotta have it, he does it the beef that I've had with bow Knicks, because God, if you have that trade, it can take you a lot of places.

And we saw it this year took you to an AFC title game, and if he plays, you're probably in the Super Bowl.

Who knows.

The issue, though, is what happens in between all of that.

What about when you don't necessarily need it but it would be nice to have it.

What about those situations it's second and eight, Can you get me a throw that picks up fifteen yards?

There was just a lack of that.

Now, I don't want to put that all on bow.

It's all of the offense.

You've mentioned it.

Vic Doing that without a good running game is really difficult for a quarterback.

But he is so elite level at the I gotta have this play and he makes it.

No one had more third down conversions, longer conversions than bo Nicks.

Nobody have more downfield throws air yards than bo Nicks.

And listening to him compared to Patrick Mahomes in that respect, maybe we're too close to the situation because we see it every week and we expect it.

Yeah, but when you take a step back and you see it from like least perspective, that's a special trait man Moving forward, Yes, yeah, he can clean some things up, of course he can.

Of course, it gets a little clunky, but by god, when the game calls for a big play, he can make a big play.

Yes, And it's that's half the battle for a quarterback.

I mean, I'd rather have this than the opposite, which is he's good in a lot of different areas, but he stinks in moments like that.

Yeah, you'd rather have the opposite.

Now, if he can put it all together, then you're talking about one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL.

And that would be really really fun.

By the way, and if he doesn't, if he doesn't bust up his ankle on a crazy play right now, the entire radio station would be at Radio Row and you'd be talking about bon Nicks in the Super Bowl.

Yep.

By the way, I heard Joe Flacco yesterday and because he was down here for the Pro Bowl, because he's one of the Pro Bowl quarterbacks in the AFC, and he talked about how much you know, Joe Flak has been around a long time.

I saw him walking around here and it hit me.

I was like, oh my god, he used to play for the Broncos.

Yeah, I just like conveniently forgot that.

But he was asked about the hits on quarterbacks and what's fair and what's unfair.

And because he's played in essentially two different eras of the NFL.

The pre roughing calls every time you touch somebody in the post roughing calls.

Here's what he said.

I don't think it should be ropping the passer when they land on us.

I don't think being slapped in the head should be ropping the passer.

It honestly annoys me because it affects games in a negative way at random times.

Yeah, and they can call it or not call it.

It needs to get out of the game.

They need to go back to it.

I know CTE is a thing these days and all that, but it's football.

We signed up to play it.

And I do think that the guys in my generation probably benefit a little bit from having that mindset, because the guys that are coming into the league nowadays they look at me like, you're I'm crazy, Like what do you mean you want receivers to get laid out over the middle and you want guys to be able to land on you.

I'm like, yeah, guys, that's football.

Like, yeah, there's certain things that shouldn't be penalties, and I don't think they see the side of it where these fifteen yard penalties and big situations that really shouldn't be penalties in the game of football.

They change these games, and as a fan like I just don't like it.

I want it to be up to us and getting slapped in the face should not change the game.

It really shouldn't.

So that's flacko with Kevin Clark.

I want to marry him right now for those comments.

I want to wed him.

Seriously, I want to wed him.

That would be an odd wedding.

He's so tall.

That is so right up my alley.

That is so true.

He's saying what every every fan is thinking.

And he's a player who's actively playing right now, an older one.

What are we doing?

Why are we taking you know the translation there?

We are taking the fear out of football.

Yes, and football is all about fear.

The fear of going over the middle, the fear of holding onto the ball too long, the fear of the oncoming blitzer, the fear of there's fear is interwoven into the game and the rules are now trying to take fear out of it.

If you take fear out of it, we got the Pro Bowl.

The way that he discussed that, I think is so true, because first of all, it's too punitive, like fifteen yards.

I keep explaining this to people.

Do you know how hard it is to get fifteen yards in the NFL?

Fifteen yards is very difficult, Okay.

And then it's just randomly awarded, yes.

Off of a nothing type of play.

But I heard Tom Brady talk about this a couple months ago that if you threw we used to call him hospital balls, which is you're running your receiver into a freight train.

It's not the defender's fault that he got that he hit the guy really hard.

It's the quarterback's fault for putting him in a position to get a hit like and it takes away the responsibility of the quarterback to be smart with his teammates, not just with the football.

I just don't understand some of the he mentioned, like the head slap to the quarterback, big deal.

I know, let me slap you in the head real quick, Jesse, tell me if it hurts, just just a quick slap.

That would have been penalized fifteen yardstball game.

The bodyweight thing is the most insane call I've ever seen.

Like, tackle him, but don't tackle him when you get to the ground, be sure to convert your body to make sure that he's going to be okay.

You might hurt yourself in doing it.

It's the most insane thing ever see.

But they've gone too far now and Joe can say what he wants, but there's no way they reverse that trend.

Well they can't.

They can't reverse it because the expectations coming in.

And he mentioned that these young players coming into the game, well, don't you want save in the game.

Well, yeah, everybody wants safety, but you sign up to play the game, and if you take violence and fear out of the game, it's not the same game.

Yeah, it's not the same game again.

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