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9-16-25 Hour 2 - The 0-2 Chiefs are Mortal/Chargers are the AFC West threat/The Big 12 doesn't look good

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Speaker 1

This is Moser, Lombardy and Kane on demand.

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Speaker 2

Thank you, Nelly, appreciated during the break we speculated yesterday.

Speaker 3

Welcome back to motion, Lombardi and Kane.

Sorry, Bretzky.

Speaker 1

What would the Cincinnati Bengals do for a backup quarterback?

Speaker 2

Now?

Speaker 3

They only had two on the dang roster period, that's it.

Speaker 1

They went to they're signing it.

Speaker 2

Oh my god, this guy is like a cat with eighteen thousand lives.

Yeah, they're signing veteran quarterback Mike White.

Huge man quarterback Sean Clifford off to the Packers practice squad.

Speaker 1

There you go.

Speaker 4

Remember when Mike White had a couple electric starts for the New York Jets.

Speaker 2

I was just gonna say, was is he not the how many guys have been like the talk of the town in New York just to just to burn out like really hard.

Speaker 1

I think Coach Sandford coached Mike White people in western Kentucky.

Yeah, yeah, I think he coached him there.

Speaker 3

Awesome.

Speaker 1

Did you see Tommy Cutlets in an insurance commercial?

I saw that last night.

Yeah, and is it the progressive commercial?

He's taking a photo with the fanily.

Speaker 2

Yeah, so he replaces, he replaces the one kid, and the mom is like, you get out of there, but Tommy, you step in.

It's kind of funny, but I'm like this guy for fourth string quarterback, but done.

Speaker 1

He gets a he gets a TV commercial out of it.

Speaker 4

Okay, we've talked a lot about your door and the amount of attention given to a fifth, fifth round quarterback.

Right, No third to fourth string quarterback in their life has gotten more attention than Tommy de Vito.

Speaker 1

No one.

Speaker 4

Tommy Cutlets is just it's almost genius.

If I were a third stringer that just got this spot start out of necessity because guys were hurt, I'm bringing a guy with a pinstripe suit on the sideline or something.

Speaker 1

Or you know what.

Speaker 4

For me, I'll bring a guy with a who does an Irish jig next to me before the game starts or something, an Irish jig.

Try and figure something out, get a Bailey's endorsement out of that.

Speaker 1

I have no idea.

Speaker 5

Or proper twelve There you go, nineteen ninety.

Speaker 4

Since then, eleven percent of teams who start zero and two make the postseason.

Speaker 5

What are the Chiefs.

Are they part of.

Speaker 4

That eleven percent or are they part of the usual eighty nine percent?

Speaker 1

Cracks in the armor.

Baby, you can see him.

You could see him.

Travis Kelcey doesn't drop that if he's not engaged to the richest woman in the world.

Speaker 4

I told you guys last year that dude looks like father Time caught him and his dragon the back of his jersey.

Speaker 1

That dude every time getting ready for emotion picture.

Shoot.

Speaker 2

I agree with you.

I'm not sure I can blame it on how do you describe it right now?

The relationship.

Speaker 5

Oh, I don't think it's that.

I think he's just old.

Speaker 1

Oh no, exactly.

Speaker 2

I think if she if he had never met her, I think dude is just slowing down.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I mean, I've seen it.

People making that about the Taylor Swift thing.

I'm like, guys, he can't move anymore.

Watch him try and run her out.

I've seen this happen with tight ends a couple at stick Out is when Jason Witten came back from that one year where he did Monday night football and he came back to the Cowboys he's still caught passes and stuff, but you're like.

Speaker 1

Dude, you can't run.

He was a shadow.

He's a shadow of his form hisself.

Speaker 5

Fronk played for Tampa.

Speaker 4

It was the same thing, like still like caught passes, was effective or whatever, but it's like you can't.

Speaker 5

You can't run anymore.

Like you just couldn't vic.

Speaker 2

I've seen it in the National Hockey League where guys start to get up there a little bit and then one thing just goes The late Great Peter McNabb told me it was his hands that he I mean, he hadn't changed anything looked.

I mean we're talking just months later.

He's coming into camp and he's like trying to go pop it, top it, pop it, top shelf.

Yeah, and he's like, h stupid stick.

He's gotta change his stick.

Speaker 3

Does it again?

Speaker 1

Okay?

Speaker 2

Good comes back again?

Uh okay, And we've seen, you know, legs go quickly.

Speaker 4

He just can't.

He can't move as well as he used to.

He would never drop that pass.

I mean it kind of cost him the game.

That are in the end zone essentially if he makes the catch and he bobbles it, pops up in the air and is picked off like that stuff.

Here's the other thing about the Chiefs, and this is what I noticed last year, And it was really hard to make the argument when they won fifteen out of sixteen games, but I said, it takes him for ever to score.

They have no pop plays anymore.

It takes him like a fourteen play drive to get in the end zone.

Speaker 5

And that's just not sustainable.

Speaker 4

It's why they're ending up with like twenty one points a game.

Speaker 5

It's they can't score in a hurry.

Speaker 1

I think that's the Vic Fangio effect.

I think he installed that defense when he was here with Denver, and it's just basically zone drop everybody and make Mahomes beach underneath.

And that's whatever.

They're willing to take their chances with Mahomes in the red zone.

They don't want what happened years ago when Tyreek Hill played for the Chiefs, and losing the guy like kill is a big deal when he would take a you know, fifteen yard pass and turn it into an eighty yard touchdown.

Yeah, leave everything underneath, that's what teams are doing.

Not to mention that Kelsey took out his own speedy wide out in Week one.

Speaker 3

Low his shoulder up.

Speaker 1

You know.

Speaker 4

Ever since he got on the Chief Xavier Worthy, all I've been told is like, hey, watch out man.

What has he done since he got I know he's fast, He's had like a couple of plays.

Speaker 2

I'll tell you where he is right now, the hospital.

He's sitting on my pig skins.

I R that's where he's sitting right now.

Well, he's on your squad.

Yes, that's that's what he's doing right now.

He's hanging out with Vic with a glass of a glass of uh of uh, I don't know, pino in one hand and a dart in the other hand, just sitting on my eyr, hanging out going.

Speaker 1

I can't run her out this week.

Speaker 5

I'm gonna call it.

Speaker 1

I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 5

I'm gonna call it right now.

Speaker 1

By the way, Mark he killed me, by the way, I don't.

Speaker 5

I don't think the Chiefs make the playoffs this year.

Speaker 1

You're you're see, that's this is what I'm getting at.

Speaker 5

I don't think.

Speaker 4

So look look at what they have the next few weeks, like the next the next four to five to six games.

They have an easy one coming up, or what should be easy against the Giants.

After that, there's a whole bunch of like Ravens and Bills, and I mean they got a bunch of really good teams mixed in.

Speaker 3

You get the line.

Speaker 2

They get the Jags in there, they get the Raiders, the Commanders, the Bills, Yeah, the Broncos, Colts, they might.

I mean, listen, when you stake yourself to an zero to two hole, that's really hard.

Yeah, it really is.

Kansas City, though, has a history of figuring it out.

They still have the Witch at quarterback.

And if there's any kind of and maybe this is the year.

Though again, we've seen teams that have sustained, sustained, sustained for so long and then they just have a year where they're like, you know, we're just tired.

Speaker 3

We're just tired of playing.

Speaker 2

So much football, tired of playing important football.

Not they don't consciously say that, but you can see it in their bodies and in their performance.

They just can't do it.

Maybe you're right, Brett, Maybe you're right.

Vic Their history would tell you they're good to rally.

At some point, they're gonna rally some way, and they're gonna find their way to ten wins and get back in because that's a proud dang team with a proud dang coach and a witch at quarterback.

Speaker 1

Still, but I'd like to agree with you based on that premise.

But I think the desire isn't what it used to be.

And I believe their best offensive weapon that it's been Travis Kelce outside of Mahomes Obviously it's been Travis Kelce.

I think he's onto bigger and better things.

Yeah, he's mentally gone.

Speaker 4

They've had for eight straight years, more than that most nine whatever it is ten.

Speaker 5

I don't know.

Speaker 4

They've had one thing that was just a constant, and it was Mahomes Kelsey, Mahomes Kelsey, Mahomes Kelsey.

Speaker 5

And with Kelsey now.

Speaker 4

Not being what he was three years ago, I think it's made a big difference.

By the way, did you guys see what a host of those guys were wearing before the game on Sunday?

No, what they're all wearing the free four shirts?

Talking about Rashi Rice, I guess saying he shouldn't be suspended.

I'm like, this guy drove one hundred and twenty miles an hour and hit like six cars on a highway and then fled the scene.

Speaker 5

What are you alleging here to him about.

Speaker 1

Yeah, what's what's the issue?

It's free.

It's not like he took some supplement that had performance enhancers in there and they disagree with that.

This was an actual you could have killed people.

Yeah, that's a problem.

Speaker 2

I mean he pled guilty to two felony charges.

Yeah, okay, No, he didn't go to jail, or actually I.

Speaker 3

Think he didn't.

Speaker 2

He serve he served thirty days in jail or had to.

He's serving it over time or something like that.

He comes and goes, I think.

But he injured a bunch of people in a high speed yeah, crash and two felony charges.

Speaker 1

No man free, a free four Travis.

How about you?

Speaker 3

How about you free yourself from the.

Speaker 1

Burden of your fat ass and your weak legs and your head, Like Vic said, being someplace else ain't no offense.

Speaker 5

Look, they don't.

I don't think.

Speaker 4

First of all, I don't think Travis Kelsey's fat.

Second one, I don't think his legs are weak.

Speaker 1

The what is you said?

He can't move the way are used to.

Speaker 5

He's just old.

Speaker 3

Are his legs as strong as they were three years ago?

Speaker 5

Probably some joint pain.

Speaker 1

Hook him up it's it's more than being old.

He's I hate to say this distracted.

You guys think he's he's more unmotivated because of all this stuff.

Yeah, that's just human nature, man.

Yeah, yes, that's the answer.

The answer is yes.

Yeah.

Speaker 4

Oh god, I don't Mickey, you're some fine probably right.

That's always tough though, to like you to get in somebody's head.

Speaker 2

Okay, so what are you saying, Brett.

The Broncos only issue in winning the AFC West currently resides with a lightning bolt on their head in Los Angeles.

Speaker 4

No, that's it, Like the Chi Well, I mean, the Chiefs are gonna post a problem, but I don't think there's any question the favorite is right.

Speaker 1

If they're not going to make the playoffs, then the Broncos don't.

Speaker 3

Have to worry about them.

Speaker 4

According to you, well unless you lose to Kansas City in the middle of this year.

Speaker 1

I mean, Brett, we've done an hour in the show, and an hour a lot of that hour was spent on being critical of what the Broncos did wrong.

There's a lot of what they did right, but most of it was spent on what the Broncos have done wrong.

Sure, you want to fix that.

You want to put that on its ear.

You want to turn the tables.

You go to LA and you beat the Chargers in a pivotal, pivotal early season matchup, a September game that's carrying a lot of weight right now.

You win that game, and you thru ust to the front of the AFC West standings and you tell people, Okay, here we are.

That's going to change a lot of mind.

Oh yes, that makes what happened in Indy.

You win next week.

I'll say right now, you win next week, and I'm good with what happened in Indy.

Speaker 5

Me too, I would take the trade right away.

Speaker 2

I'll say this to right now, Vica.

You're in your room there up north beautiful Rochester.

Your camera is one of those cameras that follows you around.

I know how, But hang on a second.

Speaker 1

I know how.

Hang on.

Speaker 3

Let me explain.

Speaker 1

When you make a point and you move your face toward the camera, it zooms in on you.

It looks really dramatic.

Speaker 5

And cool, like, vic do this, do this real question.

Speaker 3

It looks it looks important.

Speaker 4

Back in your chair and then make a point and go forward for first Okay, now, so start there and then when you make a point leans back, he's back.

Speaker 1

Okay, okay, listen to me.

All the misgivings, all of the turbulence that the Bronco was experienced at the end of that game in Indy, all of it can be forgotten if a win in l A.

That's kind of cool, man.

And it's like, uh, what's that the dramatic score, It's like it's like spieled bird.

Yeah, it's that.

I don't know.

Speaker 5

I like No, I like it.

Speaker 1

What do I do?

Where do I go for this?

Fix it?

No?

Don't fix it?

Man, it makes you more power.

I mean, it makes your opinions seem less.

Speaker 3

Listen, listen to.

Speaker 5

Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 4

Yeah, who have started going to only eleven percent of team since nineteen ninety have made the playoffs, started going to I think.

Speaker 1

They missed the playoffs.

Speaker 2

Not quite the same, good try, not quite the same on the top left corner.

Yeah, yeah, it's the push, it's the push the dramatics zoo.

Speaker 5

Yeah, yeah, they had one of those.

What's what's the famous one?

The famous one is in Jaws.

Speaker 1

It's right behind Jaws.

Speaker 5

But it's also Good.

Speaker 4

Fellas when they're at the diner and they have the both de Niro and Liota.

They stay in the exact same frame, but you can see that zoom behind them.

Speaker 5

It looks like the walls are closing in.

Speaker 1

Yeah, exactly, that's a doll.

Speaker 4

Because they were zooming out on the lens but pushing the camera forward, which is very, very slick.

Speaker 5

How's that intro to uh to?

I don't know what it was intro to film class that I took.

Speaker 2

The last thing on this.

I think the charge listen to me.

The Chargers right now are the team debate?

I think Kansas City.

I cannot write them off for dead at all.

That team finds a way to rally.

So if you want to say that the Broncos only you know, impediment to getting the AFC West Crown is La, that's fine.

I think Kansas City has got to be a factor in there.

Speaker 4

Well, I'm not Chargers going to the Chargers for the moment are the problem.

We'll break more of that down in just a seconds to.

Speaker 5

Ground all right.

Speaker 4

Texture asks a very interesting question.

I don't think the Chiefs are making the playoffs.

I think coming back from zero to two is going to be incredibly difficult in the division that they play in.

So the Chiefs have already lost once to the Chargers, if the Broncos twice, the Raiders twice, and the Chargers again.

The Chiefs also, on top of that, have the first place schedule that they're playing against, which is still the Ravens at Jacksonville.

Doesn't look like an easy game anymore.

They have Detroit, they play the Commanders, they go at Buffalo, they go at Denver, they play against the Colts, which who knows.

Speaker 5

Maybe the Cultu are good.

Speaker 4

That's kind of what I wanted to talk about a little bit today, is maybe the Culture are just a good team.

Speaker 5

Who knows.

Speaker 4

But they have a whole bunch of challenges left and texture she goes, all right, you don't think the Chiefs are making the playoffs?

So who is?

And look, fifteen weeks left?

Who knows?

But I know the Bills are making it.

I know that the Ravens are making it.

I know that the Chargers are making it.

Now now whether it's as division, Champer wild card.

Speaker 3

I mean again, so many things gonna happen.

Speaker 4

Okay, Division Champer wildcard.

Yeah, assuming health.

Okay, that's all I can do right now.

Speaker 5

So assume hew that just.

Speaker 1

Had his elbow bent the wrong way.

Yeah, that was I don't know how long that's going to last.

Speaker 3

But that was weird.

Speaker 4

But I guess what I'm getting at is this The good news for the Broncos is this despite that loss to Indy.

I think what you hope for now is that Indianapolis wins the AFC South, which being two and zero and the Texans is being oh and two.

Speaker 3

Really helps big time.

Speaker 4

But the teams that you were talking about dropping out mos you said teams had to drop out to give the Broncos a better shot.

Speaker 5

Well, guess what, I know, they didn't make it last year.

Speaker 4

But since he tough time making that without Joe Burrow all year, Houston has now started the season zero and two in their offense look kind of broken right now.

That's a good sign.

Well, you talked about those Jaguars.

They punked Carolina in week one and they got jobbed against the Bengals in week two.

Speaker 3

Would you agree with that?

Speaker 5

Did they get job on that pad from the Travis Hunter call?

Speaker 1

Yeah?

Did you they got jobbed on that?

Yeah?

Speaker 2

I think anyway, otherwise, maybe the Jacksonville Jaguars are a two and zero team.

They're kind of intriguing either way, they're going to be, I think a pain in the in the side.

Look, I get I see what you're getting at.

The Steelers are a one in one team.

Hey, great exciting win in Week one and they just laid an absolute egg in Week two against Seattle of all teams.

Speaker 1

Crazy.

So when you look.

Speaker 2

Around all these teams that are around the Denver Broncos, can you say, right now in good conscience, yeah, the Broncos are better than that team.

Are the Broncos better than Pittsburgh?

Speaker 5

I can't say that right now.

Speaker 3

Are they better than Jacksonville?

Speaker 5

I think so.

Speaker 3

I think so too.

Are they better than Kansas City?

Speaker 5

Don't know?

Speaker 1

All right?

Are they better than the Raiders?

Yes?

Okay?

Speaker 3

Bet in the Patriots?

Speaker 1

Yeah, uh okay.

So then you should start to feel pretty good about where these teams are.

Speaker 5

And look to the Indianapolis part.

You know, there's always these Oh.

Speaker 2

Without Jake brown or without Joe Burrow, are they better than the Jake Browning left angles?

Speaker 3

And we'll see them in two weeks.

Speaker 4

Cincinnati can't play defense and they need to score thirty points a game to win.

Browning is a good backup quarterback, but he ain't that okay?

What was the stat that Schefter gave us in the fourteen games of Burrows missed in his career.

The they're six and eight.

But there I think they averaged.

They're fineteen points six points a game.

Ers average about six points less per game.

Speaker 5

Yeah, it's always difficult beginning of the year.

Speaker 1

When you have.

Speaker 4

Early games and you get these wins in law and it's hard to evaluate like did I beat a good team or.

Speaker 5

Or a bad team?

Speaker 4

Did I lose to a good team or a bad team, because you have these assumptions, you know, like the first week I think is pretty obvious.

Tennessee is going to struggle a lot this year, although.

Speaker 2

You beat a bad team that has some players as rebuilding, although I think they could be one of those teams at the end of the year.

Playing the Titans will be different than the beginning because Cam wored have had more experience under his belt and he looks pretty good.

Speaker 1

Going back and looking at that touchdown pass across his body.

Speaker 4

Beautiful, right, Like super ill advised throw To throw the length of the field across your body in the red zone is not smart, but when you put it on the money, I guess who cares.

Speaker 2

Super ill advised throw, super really really really hard throw to make and execute it.

Speaker 3

Any did it?

Speaker 1

So you're probably right.

Speaker 4

So I think they might be one of those teams that, like at the end of the year is different than playing them at the beginning of the year.

Speaker 5

Sort of thing.

Speaker 4

Here's the deal about the Colts.

We had this assumption about Indy that they were like a mediocre team.

Speaker 5

Maybe Indy's good.

Speaker 4

I'll tell you what, most through two weeks, Indianapolis looks like a really good football team.

They really do.

They have a running game that's super effective.

Daniel Jones for two weeks looks like a very effective quarterback in that offense.

I guess I'll take the l on that one.

Speaker 5

Fine.

Speaker 2

Since you can't call them Indiana Jones because of copyright infringement, Spielberg and Harrison.

Speaker 3

Ford like show up on your doorstep.

Speaker 5

I think, so, hey, what's up.

Speaker 2

We know your QB fiucks five bucks?

Can you call them Indianapolis Jones?

Speaker 4

You know, I really think Tyler Warren added a wrinkled dead offense that they didn't have last year, and their defense new defensive coordinator, healthy guys like the Forest Buckner back.

Maybe they're just really good.

Maybe they are, and still you just blew it.

Okay, that's all of that is possible, and that's where you get into this territory of I'm pretty sure I know what the Chargers are, which is a really sound and fundamental football team.

Speaker 2

There's no doubt in my mind though, that the Denver Broncos can go there this weekend and win.

Speaker 5

They could.

Speaker 4

I mean, look, the Chargers didn't light up the Raiders yesterday.

Speaker 5

No they didn't.

Speaker 2

But again this is that feeling out first couple of weeks of the season.

How good is that Raiders defense?

Because I'll tell you what they did do.

The Raiders stuck it defensively to the Patriots at a week number one.

Speaker 5

Right, do you know how many points?

Speaker 4

Oh yeah, yeah, I was just gonna ask you how many points they've given up in two weeks.

Speaker 3

On the on the road.

Speaker 1

Well, it was thirteen and week one and it was twenty.

So thirty nine point No, thirty three points in two weeks the Raiders have given up?

Right, yeah, thirty three points of two weeks.

Speaker 5

You average seeing sixteen and a half points per game allowed?

Good number.

Speaker 2

Okay, so maybe their defense is actually pretty good.

But we're gonna find this out, or maybe it'll come back to the mean.

I mean, I don't know, but we're trying to parse that out right now with just a small database to go by.

Speaker 5

Here's the other thing texture says.

Speaker 4

Keep thinking that the Broncos defense is great.

Oh we stopped the Titans got pushed around by the Colts.

I'm not basing this off of two games of evidence.

I'm basing this off of over a year's worth of returning the same guys and then adding pieces to it.

And I hesitate to say this out loud because it's tough to make this argument, Moge when you haven't seen it.

Maybe this is kind of where the texture's coming from, but I don't care.

I think Drake Greenlaw is going to make a world of difference when he's healthy.

There was a play in that game.

God, I wish I had the video.

I'd send it to Nelly Heyla.

Warren catches a password drag route over the middle, and so he's catches the ball.

He's running kind of towards the sideline.

Moses and both Sternad and Singleton are in pursuit, yep, and he just stops and it's like a matador.

Speaker 1

Ol.

Speaker 5

Eh.

Speaker 4

They both run right by him and he cuts back and it's like, it's just it's tough to watch.

And I don't think green Law has that problem.

First of all, I think green Law is more sticky on coverage to start with, to where he's not going to have the open space to operate in.

But secondly, there's no making that guy miss.

That guy is really really good and I pray to God he gets healthy soon.

Speaker 1

They really need it.

Do you know what that guy has right now, Brent, He's got a bad thigh?

Yeah, so yeah, yeah, maybe he doesn't over pursue on ty Warren and Warren cuts it up the field, and maybe he doesn't.

But here's the problem right now, I mean, as far as I can see, and maybe I'm a little bit blind, he can't get on the field.

Yeah, he can't practice, he can't play, he can't do anything.

They just put a highlight up their moje and it was Tyler Warren wide open being chased three yards behind by Alex.

Speaker 2

Let me also, yeah, let me also add to that, Tyler Warren is going to do that to a lot of teams this year.

Speaker 5

Yeah, okay, yeah, he feels sort.

Speaker 1

Of a man.

Speaker 2

Yeah, hey, man, George kittleby the Broncos linebackers look stupid.

Speaker 1

Well, he makes a lot of linebackers look stupid.

Yeah.

Speaker 2

I know the Broncos are supposed to be this defensive team and all this.

Speaker 1

I get all of that.

Speaker 2

But sometimes other great players in this league, and Tyler Warren appears, he's like he's going to be a great player in this league.

Sometimes those guys make plays.

You know, it happens in hockey too.

Oh my god, I can't believe the Avs gave up that goal.

Yeah, well you get who scored that goal, the kid kucher Off.

Yeah, and you know what he did.

He digked out two guys and went top shelf.

It's gonna happen, Yeah, it's it does.

Speaker 3

So look, Brett, we're in the very infant stages here.

Speaker 2

The Broncos are only a two and a half point dog at LAH.

They could accurate, they could very well go to Los Angeles and whin that?

Does this game not feel like a toss up to you?

Yes, it absolutely does.

Now should they go and get punked?

Speaker 3

Then?

Speaker 1

What?

Oh?

Speaker 4

Then you got to reevaluate some things, thanks, yere, I mean people are talking about they got lit up by playoff teams last year.

Speaker 1

They didn't.

Baltimore lit them up.

Speaker 5

Baltimore did.

Baltimore is capable of doing that to a lot of people.

Though in their offense is on.

Speaker 4

They gave up a lot of points to LA towards the end of December.

But even the Cincinnati game that was a twenty four points through fourth quarters for Cincinnati offense is not crazy.

Not t Higgins had a great game, but it's not like they put forty up on you.

Speaker 5

I don't know.

I still am buying on.

Speaker 4

The Broncos d that they're gonna be really, really good, because I have a hard time seeing how they can't be.

Speaker 5

They're just too talented.

Speaker 1

That's a great way to put it.

Speaker 2

Over the span of seventeen games, everything will even itself out.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that was a.

Speaker 2

Tough one, but again I look at that not like giving up forty one points to the Baltimore Ravens because Baltimore was just flood out dominant last year in that game.

Speaker 3

But things will.

Speaker 2

Start to come back to the mean.

Defense will settle some things down, They'll settle some teams down.

Maybe it starts with Herbert, although Herbert's off to a tremendous start this year.

Speaker 4

He wasn't like anything special last night, No, but he didn't have to be.

Speaker 5

But that's what they do.

Speaker 4

Like, here's the most impressive thing.

Speaker 1

He's got five hundred and sixty yards passing it, five touchdowns, no picks through two weeks.

Speaker 4

Do you know what Herbert does?

I would say almost as well as any quarterback in the league.

Now, wasn't this way early in his career.

She doesn't turn the ball over like he never puts the ball in Harmer's way.

How many picks he had last year playing in all seventeen games, three three, And I think that is all Horba being like, I'm going to let you take your shots, but we're gonna be calculated about it.

Speaker 5

And if it's not there, do not put the ball up for grabs.

Speaker 2

I love how the stat computer will spit out projected stats for a year.

Speaker 1

Two season, or two games into the season.

Yeah, I love this.

Speaker 2

So let me throw this out to you.

This is where I'm saying it's gonna come back to the mean.

And maybe the Broncos are going to make Herbert do that this weekend.

I hope to goodness they do.

So, here's what's projected as of what we see in the first two weeks, and he wasn't special last night.

Speaker 3

Here's what's projected.

You tell me if this is.

Speaker 2

Good three seventy four of five to nineteen for completion percentage of seventy two point one percent, four seven hundred and sixty yards, forty three touchdowns, no picks.

Speaker 1

Nos.

Yeah, I had a carterback rating of one twenty eight.

Speaker 5

I mean, I don't think that's gonna continue that.

Speaker 2

That's exactly my point.

That's exactly my point.

You gotta give him enough tries.

Picks are coming.

Bad stuff is gonna happen, right, I mean, they're they're gonna have bad games.

And again, I just hope that it starts this weekend.

Speaker 5

I do too.

Speaker 4

There's plenty of time to talk about that as we go along.

Did you see this story some kind of record though?

Speaker 5

Did you see the story?

Speaker 4

So Schefter tweets us out yesterday, And I'm just I'm fully convinced that if we ever have anything good in this country, there's gonna be somebody who walks up to you wearing sunglasses inside that is worth eighty trillion dollars from Saudi Arabia that's going to ask you to do that in his hometown.

And the latest example of this is a flag football tournament that is going to be played in Saudi Arabia in which Tom Brady, Saquon Barkley, Christian McCaffrey, Ceedee Lamb, Max Crosby, Rob Gronkowski, Sauce Gardner, Miles Garrett, among others are going to compete in this.

They're going to be coached these three different teams by Pete Carroll, Kyle Shanahan, and Sean Payton.

Anything that you do that looks cool, Saudi Arabia wants a piece now and they are going to throw.

Imagine the amount of money they had to throw at Sean Payton to say you need to come to Saudi Arabia and coach in this tournament.

How much money do you think just he's getting paid for.

Speaker 5

This one thing?

Speaker 3

A million dollars?

Speaker 1

Oh, I think it's more than a mill than a million.

I mean, dude, okay, they can spend that.

Speaker 4

I believe this is the same guy, by the way, that just set up the Crawford Canalo fight.

Speaker 1

I think it's the same dude, and your boy Bud Crawford took up to town.

Well that's another story.

Let me say this about the Saudi Arabian money.

Apparently they've got more money than you could possibly ever hope to spend because they're just blowing it down.

Speaker 2

A blowhole on live golf.

Yeah, they make no bread, they lose a ton of bread.

They've given this guy two hundred million, this guy one hundred million, this guy eighty.

Speaker 4

They're paying money to hang out with these guys, be honest.

I mean, look that, even like the Rinaldo's and Embappes of the world getting, you know, one hundred million bucks for a season in the if.

Speaker 2

They want to throw money at fifty year old Tom Brady and Saquon and Miles and who else c Lambs, Crosby, gart McCaffrey, Peyton, Carol.

Speaker 1

Shit, if they.

Speaker 2

Want to throw all that money at these guys and pay them to go to Saudi Arabia and coach flag football and play flag football, it's not my money.

Yeah, but here's what I do know.

I couldn't give a rip less.

I won't watch it.

Speaker 1

I'm not even remotely intrigued.

Speaker 2

I have zero interest in watching old guys play flag football or yon shoes.

I'm positive, even with young guys, I don't care.

I guarantee you unless I'm imprisoned in a straight jacket with my eyeballs taped open to a think to a big screen TV that has this on it, and maybe the Soudis will come and get me and make me do it.

Speaker 1

I don't know.

I don't care.

I don't want to watch that.

It has zero interest to me.

So if they want to pay these guys a couple million bucks each to go over there and do it, fine, I couldn't care less.

Speaker 5

I'm just asking for ay ma and two million dollars to the Saudi's listening out there.

If you are listen to me, I'll call your games.

Speaker 1

I'll do it.

Speaker 5

I promise.

I have no play by play experience in my life, but I will do it.

Speaker 3

Let me let me rephrase my position.

Speaker 4

Yeah, maybe I sounded too harsh.

Speaker 1

I mean it's a little Yeah, it's a little over the time.

Speaker 2

If you want to throw a mill at me and Brett each to come over and call the games for how long is this tournament?

Speaker 1

A couple of days, a week?

Whatever?

Speaker 5

Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 2

If you want to throw a mill at each of Brett and I to come call your games.

Speaker 1

We'd be happy to do it.

Speaker 4

Yeah, because baby baby bo Val is gonna put a real dent in a lot of the Tell.

Speaker 2

Mama that daddy's going to get a cool mill.

I think mom is okay.

With exactly two timers, says.

Speaker 1

Let's do it.

I'll to me and his mom.

Speaker 2

No, So the deal is that.

Hey, look, every guy's got his price.

If you're asking me as a fan, what I want to watch this, the answer is no.

Speaker 1

Don't care.

Yeah, I if you pay me to care, I will care like you.

Speaker 3

The most important thing.

Speaker 4

Dude, nothing will take more precedents than this flag football tournament depending on the price.

Speaker 5

Back after this OOOOA, I would filing the music a little bit too.

Speaker 1

Hey hey, hey, hey hey.

Speaker 4

Going back to college football here, the AP Top twenty five is out again.

I have a couple of questions regarding this, and your thoughts on this will give me a moment here.

Speaker 1

My thoughts were people's thoughts both.

Speaker 4

MOFA, here's number one, Big twelve does not look great, really doesn't look great in.

Speaker 1

This the Big twelve.

Speaker 4

So their highest ranked team as i IA State, who's at number twelve.

But if you watched Iowa State last week.

Speaker 1

Yuck.

Speaker 5

It was an eight point win over Arkansas.

Speaker 2

That was really a bad call on my part.

I thought they would absolutely kill them.

I think maybe I didn't take into account then maybe they were just mentally exhausted from the win over Iowa that maybe somehow that felt like you got.

Speaker 3

Over your division, your division, your state.

Speaker 2

Rival from the Big ten, and then you just took Arkansas State.

Speaker 1

It took it really easy.

Speaker 4

There's going to be a the one team that I think could really really be good in the Big twelve is going to face their biggest tests, and one of these teams I think is going to emerge as the favorite.

Because I'm not buying on Iowa State totally yet.

I like back to their quarterback, I think, no big, tall dude.

If you remember his dad, Anthony Beck was a tight end for a long time in the NFL.

Speaker 5

Big guy.

So he's got this big bonding fuck all, and he's okay.

Speaker 4

It's just that that gave me a lot of pause that game against against Arkansas State, because they backed that up the week before they play against Iowa and that was the ugly game that's always in Iowa, which is the score sixteen to fourteen.

Texas Tech and Utah face each other this weekend, so that's both number sixteen and seventeen in the country.

And I think Texas Tech is they're putting that money to good use this year.

If you've seen, like, they haven't played anybody great yet.

And that's why I want this test against Utah because I think Utah is good again.

But moje their quarterback that they have there, Baron Morton, it's his fifth year at Texas Tech.

Speaker 3

I need to know.

I need to know something.

Speaker 4

How many kids have been at the same school for five years in college football?

Speaker 3

Now?

Speaker 5

Baron Morton is that?

Speaker 1

Yeah?

Speaker 4

And he has eleven touchdowns already this year.

He is averaging a touchdown once almost every five throws.

Speaker 2

I need to figure out how I keep running into Texas Tech fans around town.

Speaker 1

How is that possible?

Speaker 5

They're loud and proud.

Speaker 1

Now, well, I.

Speaker 2

Reckon they are, but I'll be you know, a golf course and dude has a Texas Tech bag.

Speaker 4

I'm like, ah, I think that they are largely an inoffensive team.

Speaker 1

I heard they throw is it tagos tortillos?

Speaker 3

But you know what I mean, It's like, wait, a minute.

Speaker 5

Did he say tortillos.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that's what he said.

Speaker 3

I heard they throw is it tacos filos tortillos?

I said everything but the right thing.

Speaker 1

I didn't even say tortillos, tortillos, tortillos, but tortillo's pizza rule.

Speaker 2

I've been educated on Texas Tech Red Raiders football and it.

Speaker 3

Goes like this, FiOS tortillos.

Speaker 1

They've got a lot of money.

Speaker 2

Now, somehow they are pouring money into that program.

I'm not even kidding you.

Like the donors, the boosters, the whatever's, they are pouring money into Texas Tech football.

Speaker 1

It's crazy.

Speaker 4

Texas Tech has substantial nail money due to significant financial backing from well, the West Texas oil magnet.

Speaker 1

There you go.

Speaker 5

There is a robust n io collective, the Mattador.

Speaker 3

Club, the Mattador Club man.

Speaker 4

So but how do how do the how do these oil people like back the oil out of the ground?

Speaker 5

No, no, no no.

Speaker 4

Back in the day, they decided that SMU is their team, Like I'm gonna.

Speaker 2

Throw all the because these are all Texas teams.

It all depends on where there's a lot of oil.

Speaker 5

People would why would you you got Texas oil people.

Speaker 1

You got a m oil people.

Speaker 5

I think I figured this out.

Speaker 4

If you're if you're a big, if you're what's the guy's name, and there will be blood a Daniel plain View, let's say, although I think he was Oklahoma.

Speaker 5

Uh, but if you're Daniel d Lewis and there.

Speaker 4

Will be blood, you're like that kind of oil guy where you're just you got more money than God and you're welly, you're willing to just rip the hammer at anybody who stands in your way.

Speaker 1

And maybe you think.

Speaker 4

Yourself, I could be another fish in the pond at Texas or I could be the whale at Texas Tech.

Is that what you're thinking?

Like I could just basically take over a school's athletic department and do whatever I want.

Maybe that's the move.

I have no idea.

But they have so much money that they have spent on everybody.

If you look at the transfers that they got this offseason.

I'm good you're talking about Tech Tech.

Speaker 2

Yes, yeah, I told you so, and I guess I guess they were flying under my radar until I somehow started running into various tech people and they're like, man, we got money.

I'm like, well, I guess you do.

So now I'm fully educated, and that's a program that's building.

They want to make it to the postseason this year.

So yeah, the Big Twelve does not look great.

You got them, You've got i Always State, You've got Utah, and I think that's it.

Speaker 1

Is there anybody else in the Big twelve?

Speaker 5

Yeah, Tech, Utah.

Speaker 4

Maybe I'll hold out a little bit for Iowa State, Arizona State had the No.

Speaker 1

I mean, is anybody else in the top twenty five?

Now the answer is no, Oh no, that's it.

That's it.

Speaker 4

And once Texas or Utah loses, I'm assuming that they're going to drop out of the top twenty five as well.

Speaker 1

If I was a team in the Big twelve.

Speaker 2

And maybe this is why the tech people are so pumped and so ready to just deliver their money, because to me, it's such an easier conference to win.

Yeah, it just it just is it's so wide open that if you have some of that money pouring in and you're getting some of these killer transfers and you're you're NILA's great.

I mean, no matter where you are, if you're not maybe not Cincinnati, maybe I don't know what if it was Virginia or your Arizona or who knows TCU what whatever, You've got a figure, man, we have a spike year.

We can win the damn conference like ASU did and get into the ninety.

Speaker 1

Let me get into the postseason a big time way.

Speaker 5

Let me throw something else at your college football wise.

Speaker 4

CSU is back this week.

They play UTSA.

UTSA is a one and two football team.

They lost forty two to twenty four to Texas A and M the first week.

Speaker 2

They Actually the funny part is in that game.

I watched that game.

They were in that game for a little bit.

For a little bit.

They played Texas State.

Speaker 4

The next week they lost forty three to thirty six, and they won this last week forty eight twenty two.

Incarnate word in whated word, incarnate.

CSU is a four and a half point dog at CSU.

Yeah, Norvel has already made the proclamation BEFN is getting another start.

You know, remember after that their last game, he said we're gonna have a competition, and now he's settled on Valer Nicolosi starting again.

And it didn't sound like there as much competition because the way that he worded it was something like he's our quarterback and continue and will continue to be or something like that.

I don't have it in front of me, but you're asking yourself.

Speaker 2

How does a one and two University of Texas San Antonio American Conference team move their entire operation to Ford Collins for a football game?

How do they come in as a nearly five point favorite over the Rams.

I'm telling you we're at a crossroads to see it.

Oh, I mean it, mos, I really mean it.

We're we're at across Rams.

Speaker 3

So are you listening up?

Rammys?

Listen up?

Speaker 5

What do you do if you lose that game?

Speaker 3

I don't know what you.

Speaker 4

Do because I think there's a big question that you need to ask me out.

And I love j Norvell, but man, I say the same thing about Dion.

I try and keep things consistent.

He's in year four, Bro, you got to see something, and the lost to Washington was a decent game, but then he had that Northern Colorado debacle and now you're a dog do UTSA.

I think this is a big week for both Norvelle and for Fowler.

Nicolosi like, if things go poorly this weekend, you could see changes at some of the most important spots now the week after that, they have Wazoo.

Did you see what happened to Wazoo over the weekend?

Yes, they lost fifty nine to ten to who North Texas.

Speaker 6

North Texas was up forty two to three at half.

The North Texas called the dogs off at halftime in a game they were paid to play.

Speaker 2

I know, well, that's like New Mexico going to UCLA and beating the living The Bruins are so far removed from a Big ten team it's not even it's not even funny.

But I know what you're saying.

That's why I'm saying.

It always could be worse.

Speaker 4

But what I'm saying, though, is is you lose the UTSA Washington States next week.

If you wanted an easier on ramp, perhaps that's the one.

Speaker 1

You know what I mean?

Speaker 2

For those out there who go, well UTSA, I know it sounds crazy.

Speaker 1

What is UTSA?

Who is UTSA?

Speaker 3

What's their mascot?

What's a roadrunner?

Speaker 5

They got Josh McCown's kit a quarterback?

Speaker 1

I think they do.

Speaker 3

They also have some players.

Speaker 2

Again, I watched that game against the Aggies and they played dude for a while.

They played pretty dang good.

Oh buddy, Peter Burns from ESPN and the SEC Network is a utsa kid.

We had a conversation about it.

They've got some players there, so yeah, but it's still saying that they're a role favorite against the Rams.

Feels and sounds weird, but it could be worse.

Have you seen Oregon State?

This these two homeless teams?

This PAC twelve homeless situation.

Speaker 5

Oh, they're in some trouble.

Speaker 1

Everybody's gone, dude.

Speaker 4

Well, yeah, how are you going to get recruits to come to a place where you can't compete for a chaperionship?

Speaker 1

Okay?

Speaker 4

Any I mean most any championship.

You don't have a conference, you don't have a college football playoff?

Hope, like you got nothing.

Speaker 2

Last thing I'll say to you, what do you think the spread is between Oregon and Oregon State this weekend.

Speaker 1

Cross state rivals?

Speaker 5

Thirty eight?

Speaker 4

Thirty five?

Yeah, it's thirty five, And you're like, guess what, I'm laying the points with the Oregon.

Speaker 1

Y.

Speaker 2

You know what, I probably would as well.

What do you think the line is between Washington and this is what's so said?

Washington Washington State?

Speaker 5

Oh, that's probably similar in the thirties.

Speaker 3

It's only twenty.

I'm feeling a little layer down coming on.

Speaker 5

Are you getting that it's already.

Speaker 1

Talk to me, Stephen Piercy, talk to me, Warrendy Martini, film, my film, My Football Blood.

Speaker 4

Yeah, a little precursor maybe to what you got on Friday.

Speaker 3

Those two, those two, that's what the buffs could have been.

Dude.

I'm not saying they would have been, but you know what they could have been.

Speaker 4

Hey, I like when, ah, when a coach takes accountability.

Sean Payton did as much yesterday and an answer about what happened at the end of the game.

But also it bodes something that is a fair warning to the Broncos if they want to get to where they want to go, we'll get to it next

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