Hi everyone and welcome to Pod of the damned.

Or should I say welcome back because you know, it's been it's been a hot minute.

I'm your host, Ian.

Joining me this this week is my Co host Candy, how are you?

I am good, just hot, ready for, you know, fall are.

You talking about yourself?

I am like the whole, yeah, I'm sexy and I know it.

Actually, I I did this really awesome guy job.

People who are listening, I put like the whole bottom half of my hair is teal.

So I was.

I'm just doing.

Yeah, your hair.

I I I I meant to mention it when we were having our our our pre chat there, but your hair looks fucking awesome.

Thank you, I just felt like doing something different.

Yeah, too, right.

I mean, I wish I could dye my hair, but I think those days are very, very, very long gone.

It's OK, you surf face.

Yeah, exactly.

I I might dye my mustache.

Maybe you know.

Yeah, there you go.

Maybe next episode I'll have a teal mustache.

Yes, deal is what's in.

I am a trendsetter.

And then Nico, when he's back, can do have a teal beard, and then we can have the full shebang between the three.

Oh yeah, we will be.

We will be rocking it.

The teal trio well, well, yes, as I said there welcome back.

It's been a very hot minute since we have been here recording for you guys.

I should probably I have posted it across the socials, but I should probably just give anyone who's listening a little update about what's been going on with the show.

Obviously here at Pod of the Damned, we try to release our episodes weekly, but you know, from time to time we need to take a little break.

And as I was saying to Candy just before we came on air, it's something that we kind of pride ourselves so that a lot of other podcasts don't do and other that we've been a part of having.

You know, there's always that sort of pressure to always be like releasing, releasing, releasing, releasing.

And I've fallen victim to that myself.

And I know like you've done so too, Candy, but.

Oh yeah, in the past, 100%.

Yeah.

And but here at Part of the Damned, one of the things we pride ourselves on is we don't put that pressure on ourselves and we don't put that pressure on each other.

And if we need to step away, if we need to take that break, that we do so.

And I myself have been sort of battling with some at the time relatively scary health issues.

Luckily it it's, it's not turned out to be anything.

Well, whole fingers crossed, you know, not anything like imminently life threatening or anything like that.

So but stuff that just meant that I needed to take a step away and make sure that I was OK and stuff that I'm still having to deal with and stuff that I'm still struggling with, but stuff that I'm having to sort of manage better.

So hopefully I'm able to start recording for you guys again a little bit more often.

And unfortunately for me, like with my work, because I work quite long hours and quite unsociable hours, I had to take a step back from something.

And for me, unfortunately, it was podcasting, it was streaming, it was YouTube and that all just.

And I've been kind of going through my own thing with like it's, it involves like my blood work being wonky.

So basically I've been on bed rest.

I have played so much Dead by Daylight, so there's that.

I've been like prestiging and getting my devotion up.

So like, I am like awesome at it now.

So yeah, I have a medical excuse, not that I didn't have one before, where I just get to lay down on my couch and play video games something.

It's fantastic.

That's the only bonus here.

We all have our times where we just need to step away, so I'm glad to be back though, yes.

And that's one thing I wanted to say, you know, I want that I we've not been recording for a while, but I've missed recording with yourself, Candy and with Nico, who unfortunately isn't here today due to work.

But I've missed recording with you guys.

I've missed releasing episodes for you guys.

So thank you very much to everyone who's continued to listen to our episodes since we've been away, because the downloads have.

We have the best.

Listener, we do honestly, because the downloads have continued to tick over, We continue to get messages from people on our social media.

So thank you very, very, very much and thank you from on a personal level to everyone who reached out to me and gave me your best wishes as well on on my health journey at the minute.

So thank you very, very much to everyone.

You we appreciate you guys more than words could possibly describe, because without you guys, then we're just, we're just sitting here talking to each other in an empty room.

And you know that's fun too.

But you know that.

Is yeah, let's say that's also cool, but it's even cooler when, you know, I I feel like, you know, I'm just the kind of person like I want to get to know everybody.

And there's so many people that are listeners that have become really good friends of mine, like Sarah and her precious little boy.

I miss her so much.

But we text all the time and she is so happy being a mom.

And, you know, Ren, I just mailed him a package the other day, you know, like we, we love trash movies and.

And getting to know Newman and he's, you know, like everybody out there like.

Hey, I want to get to know you so you know where to reach me.

And I know Sarah listens to the show quite often as well.

So just on behalf of myself, on behalf of Nico, and the entire part of the damn family, congratulations Sarah.

For those of you who don't know, Sarah's obviously guest hosted on this show a couple of times previously.

Yeah, we've done a couple girls nights.

Yeah.

And you know, so congratulations on on, on, on, on giving birth.

You know, so biggest congratulations.

Hopefully everything is is running smoothly and there will be two.

So happy.

That's that's I.

Was just talking to.

Yesterday, so awesome.

But yeah, like you're saying, obviously we've also gotten to know so many great people.

Speaking of Ren and Newman, a big thank you to them as well because during the break yourself, Candy recorded a special bonus episode with both Ren and Newman, who have been on this show many, many times individually but never together.

And.

And they always, and they have a a review for every movie that we do.

Yeah.

Kind of like long winded ones that we're like, oh.

But So what?

We look forward to them every single week.

So big thank you to them.

That episode will be getting dropped very, very shortly after this one is released as well.

And it is, it's I, I will say it's epic because those two were finally happy to, like, pick each other's brains.

Yeah, yeah.

I've read your reviews and now we get to talk.

And so I think, I think there's a beginning of a beautiful friendship there.

I certainly hope so.

I feel like they give off very different energies, but they're both like so passionate because Newman.

This is not criticism of you, Newman, if you're listening, but Newman.

Newman is like me.

We're like that with the happy go lucky, biggest voice in the room type and.

Runs a little bit more, reserved more.

Reserved.

But boys have a lot of great, you know, things to say and, you know, he's a lot more like serious, I guess, even though he likes the most unserious shit.

So yeah, they're just interesting people, yeah.

100% so thank you to them for recording an episode.

Like I say for you guys at home, that will be dropping very, very soon as well.

We've got loads coming up on the show as well.

We still have our 150th special episode celebration that we are planning to have.

That's not gone away.

We'll still be doing that.

We've got more top five episodes coming for everyone over the next few weeks.

We're going to be releasing just like this episode, quite a few episodes around new releases.

Obviously, you guys did bring her back.

We're doing today the ugly step sister.

We're also going to be recording an episode on together, which is, is literally just came out.

And then we will also have our, our regular schedule, which we plan on getting back to very, very shortly.

I, I feel like at this point we're just delaying the dead trilogy for you.

There's so much I.

Know, I'm just like, you know, I can bide my time.

I've waited a long time for this, so it's all right.

I still got the energy for that.

And and Day of the Dead is the 40th anniversary this year as it came out in 1985 and it will be back in theaters in October.

Well, there you go.

What?

What better?

Maybe.

Maybe we'll just hold off a little.

It's funny you mentioned like an anniversary because I popped up on my Facebook memories today that this is from my old show.

But it's the five year anniversary of myself and Nico doing an episode on Girl on the 3rd Floor, which is for those who don't know or haven't heard of it, is a movie that stars CM Punk and I.

We trashed that movie so fucking hard and I basically convinced Nico today that we're going to do it again.

Look forward to that candy because Girl on the 3rd Floor in in in honour because it was one of my fit.

It was honestly on the old show.

It was one of my favorite episodes that I recorded with Nico.

Nico's a huge wrestling fan.

I'm I'm a big wrestling fan.

Nothing.

I, I was in the 80s and 90s.

I, I, because I, I come from a family of just, everybody watched wrestling and my grandfather, who was like my favorite person ever besides my kids, he was into wrestling.

So of course I got into wrestling, but I kind of dropped off by the time that like, Raw and all that started happening.

Yeah, but Nico is like a huge fan.

Huge, huge wrestling fan so.

And it was mine ego.

He talks to me about wrestling all the time.

Yeah, and that was one of the reasons why we had done it previously.

So I convinced him today that we're going to do it again.

So we've got a lot to look forward to as well.

Anyways, I feel like I've probably rambled on enough for one intro because we've already been recording.

We've already been recording for 10 minutes.

A lot of intro to like give.

It's better than it.

Yeah, I know.

I haven't even done the housekeeping yet.

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I almost said X there.

We haven't been on X for fucking ages I felt.

It I was like, what?

No.

No, no, no, we are on Threads, Blue Sky, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, TikTok, all at part of the damned.

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Candy, where can you be found?

I am Candy the final girl.

You can find me at Candy the Final Girl on Instagram Threads.

Blue Sky.

Yeah, I mean, that's mainly I I'm less on Blue sky.

I'm trying to be better about it.

But mainly I'm an Instagram person.

And you can e-mail me at chemicalgeishaitsthewordchemicalandthengeishalikeyouknowgeishafromjapan@gmail.com.

Yeah, I feel like I was really, really rusty doing the social.

Yeah, because when when with the bringer back, we were we the housekeeping got done.

Let's just say it was like a teenager cleaning his room.

Everything just got shoved in the cupboard.

Yeah, yeah, it got done, but not great.

Yeah.

That's fine.

It's like when as a kid you used to like clean your bedroom and your mum used to come in and be like is it your clean or is it my clean?

Yes, exactly, and as a mum I get what my mum meant now.

But anyways, this house is now clean because we have done the housekeeping.

That's possibly the worst.

We just moved the.

Gravestone I've completely forgotten I'm like you I'm I'm I'm quite bad at keeping up to date with blue sky.

I post everything that we post to the other socials on Blue Sky so you can still catch everything there, but Threads and Instagram are the two that I mainly.

Yeah, I'm also on Facebook.

It's Candy Ellison Smith, but it's everything's hooked to my Instagram.

So I would post on Instagram and it posts few threads and to Facebook for me and that is laziness, but it's also very effective.

So you can find me on any of that.

Perfect, right?

Shall we talk about today's movie?

Let's.

Do it.

Let's fucking do it, because I've been dying to get back into some movie chat.

Today we're talking all about the ugly step sister.

None.

I'm going crazy.

I've lost my mind, best friend in sanity.

I've lost my mind.

I go.

This is going to really test my pronunciation skills yet again.

I've not practiced these.

Normally when we do like a foreign language movie, I kind of practice.

Yeah, when we get started into it, like I, I, I'm good at like Latin languages.

Like I, you know, when we've done some Italian horror, I'm like, I'm on this because I speak Italian, but like when it comes to like Swedish and Norwegian stuff, I am bad.

Really bad.

Anyways, this movie was released in 2025, was directed by Emily Blitch Felt Blitch felt and stars Leah Myron, Anna Dal Torque and Thea Sophie Lochner.

Loch Ness.

God knows it's got Ness.

Loch Ness.

You know, she's just maybe Scottish just like me.

Yeah.

The IMDb plot is as follows.

Follows Elvira as she battles against her gorgeous step sister.

In a realm where beauty reigns supreme, she resorts to extreme measures to captivate the Prince admits their ruthless competition for physical perfection.

So this movie I didn't actually know was even I it wasn't until you'd suggested it in the chat for us to be doing this that I even knew that much about it.

I knew.

Well, I mean, it dropped on Shudder and Shudder has been delivering the goods lately and there was a lot of buzz.

And so actually I, before it even dropped on Shudder, like, you know, I watched Joe Bob and in between the the double feature he shows, they show like stuff that's coming up on Shudder.

And I, I saw the preview for this and I was like, I'm going to watch that motherfucker.

So when it dropped, I was like, I have to see this movie.

And so I immediately watched it and I've been recommending it like crazy.

Yeah, just again, just quickly on that note, you're absolutely right.

I think Shudder has been absolutely fucking knocking it out the park lately.

I feel like when Shudder first, you know, dropped when Shudder first became a thing, there was like a real sort of 2-3 year period.

There were just, you know, they were really knocking it out at the park and everyone was talking about Shudder and this new sort of streaming service that's just for horror movies.

And I do feel like it kind of hit a lull for a couple of years there.

And I feel like for the past couple of years, they've really been back on form with the stuff that they've been releasing.

So please, again, for anyone who who doesn't already, I highly recommend subscribing to Shudder because some of the movies on there and then and and I think.

And it's super affordable.

Like as far as like, you know, I have, you know, HBOI have, you know, I have like a million streaming services.

Yeah.

And Shutter is superbly affordable.

Yeah, because like, I have Netflix.

Or you can also do it through AMC plus but they don't always have the same movies.

Now I have both AMC Plus and Shutter because I watch Interview with a vampire and with the vampire and so that that's on AMC Plus.

So I actually have both.

So here you can, you can, you can get it individually, but you can also have it through Amazon Prime here, which I'm I'm I'm not sure if you can do over there, but.

Yeah, yeah.

You can link it through there, yeah.

So because.

That's where my what it is.

That screen box is Freeway.

And I think here it's like 499 a month, which is it's nothing because like, but by the time, like for me, Netflix and Amazon Prime and Disney and you know, now TV, which is like our us like our sky thing here and just, but by the time you include everything, you know, you're spending a really good chunk of money just on streaming services.

So Shutter is definitely one of the the best valued streaming services especially.

I think it's like 7 bucks here in the USI mean.

That's that kind of horrible, that kind of track.

So yeah, so the absolutely check that out.

But anyways, we're here to talk about the ugly step sister.

Like I say, I didn't know a huge amount about it.

Obviously it is based off the classic Cinderella fairy tale story, which, you know, even if you didn't know that, haven't seen the film, you can probably guess that by the title of the film.

But it's obviously being told from the perspective of one of our.

And I'm going to really use air codes here, one of our ugly step sisters, because quite frankly, Leah Myron, who plays Elvira in this movie, is absolutely gorgeous.

Yeah.

She's very attractive.

I feel very much like it was like in It was like when Jennifer's body tried to convince us that Amanda Seyfried was really normal looking.

Oh God, Amanda Seyfried, but.

You know what I mean?

Like that movie was that tried so hard to make to convince us, the audience, that Amanda Seyfried isn't absolutely stunningly gorgeous.

And their way of doing that is like, we're just going to put her in glasses because glasses, to this day, I don't know why that still works.

It's like, you know, think of like, you know, certain movies like I'm going to give you a makeover and they just take off their glasses.

Like look how beautiful you are.

Yeah, you know, it's, it's how people didn't recognize Clark Kent, Really.

Come on now.

So.

Yeah, I'll look with some glasses.

Exactly.

But here we know obviously Liam Myron, who plays Elvira is in real life stunningly beautiful women as well.

So I very much again, I feel like that's maybe just a little bit of like the Hollywood nisms of, you know, beauty standards.

But I guess, I guess.

But I think.

It's worth the movie because of what the the journey of the character Elvira is.

You have to have somebody who already has the looks.

Well, let's and work your way to those looks.

Yeah, of course.

I mean, let's talk about it because, you know, this movie has a lot to say and there's a lot of social commentary.

Even though this is set, you know, like way back in in history, this movie has a lot.

If I can, I have a really quick preface that I want I just want to kind of put out there now because I know we're going to it's going to kind of like direct where I'm going to go with this one.

We are in a body horror renaissance.

Body horror is the thing right now, for better or for worse.

There's certain movies of recent times that didn't do it so great, but but you know, the substance was such a huge, I mean, when to me, Moore, like she, she won awards and blah, blah, blah.

And it spoke to a lot of people because we live in this age of these impossible beauty standards and everybody's, you know, on Ozempic and getting plastic surgery.

So I feel like this is the substance but a period piece and it goes grosser than the substance.

100% you know, and like body, like you say, body horror is absolutely and the substance is very much at the forefront of that.

And, you know, speaking about awards, you know, that absolutely swept our awards, you know, at the end of last year and quite rightly too, because the substance, absolutely fantastic movie.

Yeah.

And and another movie that we'll be doing coming up can be fit into that body horror together that that.

Absolutely can.

Can fit into that boy to do well.

We have some thoughts.

About and I'm gonna have to keep myself back from talking about that one, so I'm going to pretend it doesn't.

Exist for you.

I feel like I'm, I'm really testing you at the minute.

I'm like, keep bringing it up just just to get you to say something.

You know, there's a lot behind that for me.

Like I've got a fire inside me.

I'm like, no, not right now.

But I'm.

Just I'm just going to like, yeah.

Yeah, but you know, the ugly step sister, you know, for a lot of people.

And one of the things, you know, we got back a couple of times by when we were asking for reviews and responses was a lot of people were saying, and I've seen a bit of the discourses, they don't think that this should be classed as a horror movie, which, you know, it's, it's usually something that kind of irks me a little bit, but.

I mean, horror is subjective.

It is.

Subjective and you know.

What I mean like that we've got psychological horror, we've got all these sub genres, but it, it definitely doesn't work.

I, I, I think if you just classified this as a drama or a dramedy or something like that, it doesn't fit either.

I really think and and and horror is where all of us misfits are that don't sit anywhere else.

And with horror, you can do so much.

And this, I absolutely believe this is a horror film.

Oh, 100% I agree.

And when you certainly certainly when you get later into the movie, you know, it becomes much more overtly a body horror movie as well.

Maybe for the first piece, you know the first part of the movie when you know not really huge amount has gone on or not anything too disturbing has gone on.

But boy does this movie get disturbing and fast.

As well.

You know, so definitely when some of those, some of those later scenes and there's some truly disgusting scenes, there's a couple of moments in this movie where even I was like.

Oh yeah, there.

I have a very specific fear of of something that when we get to I'll tell you.

But man, I even I was kind of like, oh, come on, and I'm the gore whore.

I was just like, oh, oh seriously, don't do what you're going to do.

But the, the, I think obviously the main thing that this movie really speaks to is that sort of image standards and body positivity and things like that and, and, and beauty and the media and things like that and how people are perceived.

Because I feel like I feel like as a society and as like a normal person, I feel like we have made some progress, but I feel like there's still so, so far to go.

I think what we do is we make progress, you know, and then we go back for whatever reason, people romanticize, oh, but this, this, this.

And right now, I mean, there are so many celebrities there that have work done.

I mean, the Kardashians, like look at them, they don't look like humans anymore.

And they have something called, you know, a lot of famous people have what they call pillow face because they have so many injectables.

They've had their the bugle fat removal to get the sculpted thing.

But then, you know, with the fillers, I mean, their faces just don't look quite human.

And listen, I like if I, you know, people are free to do with their own bodies what what they choose to do.

And if people out there feel better in themselves for having elective plastic surgery, then by all means, like we're not saying that people shouldn't.

Oh.

Yeah.

And, and that's not what I, yeah, I'm certainly not trying to get at that because, hey, I was going to get my nose done a couple of times because I have a very large nose.

And that was the thing that I kind of got made fun of.

Like in, in a way where it was like in high school, guys were like, you know, Candy, you're, you're not beautiful, but you're really cute because that no.

It's so mean.

Yeah, you could be popular and thin, but God that knows.

And now I love it.

But it was like it took me a really long time to get on terms with that.

And I and the nose thing comes in particularly that spoke to me in this film because the original link when I saw the preview for this in between the Joe Bob double feature.

You know her with that device on her face and I'm like her nose and but he was even grosser than I thought it was going to be.

But The thing is he really.

Used the time period well.

Oh, they really did.

But The thing is as well, I think for, for most of us, because I think when you're growing up, when you're, you know, a teenager and in your early 20s, you know, image is important.

You know, I think that's probably for the majority of people when image is it's most important to you as a person because.

Yeah, and, and particularly as a woman, I mean, we are shoved into like these standards and and you see, you know, stuff with guys on.

I've never been on a dating app, but I read like these listicles sometimes on BuzzFeed.

There's things people say, you know, like, you know, I don't want to be with a woman who's not, you know, this.

But even like there's such it's always been impossible, no matter what the time period, to be a woman and to be attractive.

That's people have a people have a shopping list, for lack of a better term of.

Yeah, I mean, and that goes for all genders.

It does, I mean.

And anybody who does it is toxic as fuck because I'm a person who is, you know, I identify as bisexual, but I'm really kind of pansexual because for me, it's personality.

If you can make me laugh, you are the most attractive person I've ever, ever seen I've ever met.

You know what I mean?

Like, I'm going to just laugh me into bedtime if you can make me laugh and you're going to get something, you know what I mean?

Oh wow, thank God I'm the funnier one out of me and Nico.

That's been proven by the audience.

But but no, 100 percent, 100% agree.

For me, it's, you know, it's a very similar thing.

It's much more about personality.

Again, as I say, it's something I feel that the majority of people grow out of as they sort of hit their sort of mid 30s, I would say.

And then?

When you're like, I can't stop the aging and plus you've grown and had life experiences and you're like, you know, at the end of the day, at the very, very end of the day, at the end of your life, you're not gonna think, wow, I'm so glad I was beautiful for those years.

Not like you're not thinking about your kids or or.

Exactly you.

Know no, no, no, it's just like that shit doesn't matter.

But when you get involved and you get obsessed, I really do think there is some, you know, like a mental attachment.

Yes to this.

And and this movie I think does what does really well is it shows, you know, it follows that obsession, doesn't it?

Because our character Elvira, she falls into that obsession and falls into it.

This is a.

Big like chain.

Yeah, 100%.

And you know, there's so many parallels with the substance.

You know, we're good like that movie that we talked about because Demi Moore's character was the exact same, except hers was much more to do with not being it was it was aging was the the issue for her and and the issue in that movie.

But here, you know, obviously it's it's it's about being perceived as not being conventionally attractive.

And there's and and like, I really fuck, I hate that term.

I hate the term conventionally attractive.

And.

Yeah.

Because who?

Who is making these?

Who's deciding what's conventional?

Exactly.

And you know, beauty is the saying goes, is in the eye of the beholder, you know, and if you find something or someone beautiful, then they are beautiful.

It's not, it's not up for debate.

It's not up for critique or criticism.

You know if you are with someone, if you have a partner and you turn around to them and if they are not deemed conventionally attractive but you think they are beautiful, then they are beautiful and that is just.

Actually, I think that's a much deeper and more meaningful type of beauty because when you're, you're everything's about how you look.

I mean, I've met some very attractive people and they had the worst personalities.

And then?

Suddenly they, they're, they're not attractive to me anymore.

Like it, it, it's all about beauty is skin deep.

I mean, a lot of these sayings like beauty is skin deep.

The whole beauty's in the eye of the beholder, you know, things like that.

Beauty is pain.

These sayings, they're all represented here.

Yeah, 100%.

I think this movie does such a fantastic job at breaking it down.

And, you know, and like you say, Elvira, you know, goes, goes through it because, you know, for me, like, like we were talking about like a personality, you know, what's inside, you know that that's what really matters.

Are you a good person?

Are you someone who is trustworthy?

Are you loyal?

Are you funny?

Are you kind, you know?

And also if, if what you are presenting now, I'm a person who used to have an EDII, suffered from anorexia to the point of hospitalization like, and it's still something that, you know, it's sort of like addiction in general, like you're never, you're always recovering, you're never recovered.

I still fight against it because I thought being thin, you know, as super thin would, would solve all of my problems.

So I think there's like an attachment to that.

And then it just it it.

But the people that you're attracting, if you are just presenting looks, you're presenting, you're you're attracting shallow people.

And the Prince in this is the shallowest, douche baggiest motherfucker.

Like if it was set in current times, he'd probably be like playing the, you know, Wonderwall and the guitar, you know, surrounded by bitches at a frat house, you know what I'm saying?

Are we not a fan of Oasis?

Is that what we're saying?

It's just that song.

Yeah.

It's just done to death.

Oh, I'm just saying, you know, yeah.

Nobody learns how to play Wonderwall.

Yeah, no, you're 100% right though.

That's, that is exactly what it is.

And again, you know, like everything is kind of generalizations that we're talking about.

I myself, like I'm now in my mid 30s and you know, I still struggle.

I look at myself in the mirror sometimes and I sit there and I go, oh, you know what I could probably do with losing a few pounds and but I'm not doing it.

I think again, it's, it's all about who you are doing it for, you know, are you doing it for yourself because you want to?

And are you doing it in a healthy way?

Exactly.

I think as soon as you are altering your behaviors and altering your image, but you're doing it for someone else, then it automatically becomes an unhealthy thing.

Yeah, and you're attracting more unhealthiness if that's what you are really pushing and that's what you are, quote, UN quote, selling to everybody.

You're going to be a deeply unhappy person.

And you're going to attract the wrong kind of people because then the obsession will deepen.

Like they are only with me because of my looks.

Now, I say this as somebody who's actually done this, you know, like the thinness.

My obsession with being thin was, you know, for somebody else.

And it was like, I was thin anyway.

But I look back at pictures and I just look like bones and I'm like, that wasn't even attractive.

And I was deathly ill and I attracted a douchebag that was with a douchebag who who fueled it, you know.

And so that's The thing is like you by by putting yourself through this and and making it a presentation to the world of like, look, I'm all about how I look.

People are only gonna be into you for that.

And looks will fade.

I fell down some stairs.

I have a spinal injury and I had to get I had to just accept that I am overweight because I can't work out and I watch my diet, but I'm never gonna be like thin again.

Not not like I'd like to be, you know?

Yeah, I got that.

And The thing is for.

For me.

The thing for me is as well, you know, like I, I, I look at myself sometimes and I'm like, yeah, I could, I could probably do with being thinner.

But you know what?

I I also, I like to eat and I like to eat junk food and I like to sort of sometimes binge and.

Splurge what they call a gourmand fan.

I I love food.

You know, I'm not, I'm not like I'm not massively overweight.

I'm, I'm quite tall.

I'm, I'm, I'm over.

I'm 6 foot tall, you know, So, you know, I carry it relatively well.

Would I like to, you know, be slightly slimmer in the valley?

Yeah.

But, you know, I've probably had one or two too many pints of beer as well, you know, and.

Sean's always talking about how he needs to lose weight and the man wears a medium T-shirt.

I couldn't fit one boob in his like, and I'm like, what do you mean?

I think you look fantastic.

Where do you, where are you trying to lose weight from?

Like, but and, and that's me pushing my, my own things on him.

You know, it's, it's such a complicated relationship we have.

Yeah, with how we look and how other people look.

But this is.

But this is where I want to sort of segue into because the pressure that gets put on people and this is what happens to Elvira.

I want to start talking about Elvira and this sort and this sort transformation that she goes through in this movie.

It's entirely pressure that's put on her from her mother in this movie, you know, because initially we meet Elvira and you know, she's got the braces and they've put like the the fake nose on her and you know, she's she's not wearing the most glamorous.

Again, she doesn't have a very like, it's it like kind of an unattractive hairstyle, Yeah.

And.

She's kind of frumpy.

Yeah, and she's timid and you know, they keep, they, they show, if they show that scene where they're like, they show her belly as if like, like you're looking at it as if it's like a fat belly.

It's so not it's.

Not at all.

It's really, really not.

And I'm like, you know, you can see that, that you can see the beauty underneath what, what, what they're trying to sort of portray.

I mean, she was this timid girl who liked to read and, yeah, poetry, and her favorite poetry was written by the Prince.

And so she had this romantic notion about the Prince, you know?

But you know, she's just too shy, too.

Yeah, but she seems to have all these sort of like innocent endearing qualities, I would say, because quite often these are things that people do tend to find quite endearing.

But as we get further and, and, and what is interesting is as the movie goes on, it's how she is treated by other people as she progresses in her sort of journey because initially.

What happens is like, you know, the whole time I was going through my my severe bout of anorexia, people kept telling me how great I looked to the point where I when I look in the mirror when you have body dysphoria, I mean, it feels good when people tell you look great.

But I looking back, I was like, oh God, I look like a skeleton.

What were these people telling me?

So I mean, people do treat you different.

And the idea that the mom, you know, one the parents, they, they get married thinking the other has money.

So like the mom Rebecca marries, you know, Agnes's dad and Agnes is important to this as well.

And you know, Rebecca has two daughters.

She has Alma and she has Elvira, Elvira's her eldest daughter.

But so they both come together, they don't have any money.

And so they're like, well, fuck.

Because they both were marrying for money.

They didn't love each other.

Yeah.

And but we got Agnes, who was just like, you know, somebody that you would say, yeah, she's beautiful.

And she is beautiful as well.

You know she is.

Stunning.

She is.

We find out that Agnes doesn't have the best personality.

No, she doesn't.

But again, like, I feel like as well, you know, when you're talking about some of these sort of like classic Disney stories as well, that that's kind of a common theme you get.

And it's like sometimes when you see these like parodies of them as well, you know, And you know, it sounds daft, but you see when you watch things like Shrek, for example, and it shows classic fairy tales from the other perspective.

And it shows you actually, you know, maybe we shouldn't aspire to be these like Disney princesses and all these classic fairy tales and things like.

That as well, you know, because in the classic story of Cinderella, let's just, you know, refer to what's the most famous version of it that we know, the Disneyfied version, you know, 'cause Agnes would be our Cinderella here and.

They they call her.

Cinderella was kind.

I'm sorry.

And they call her Cinderella.

They call her.

Cinderella quite a few times in this.

Yes.

And but you know, the thing, the the way that Disney presents it is that, you know, poor Cinderella is treated badly by her two ugly stepsisters and her stepmother.

And she's made the clean, but she's kind to animals and she's a good person and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And but that, that they kind of threw that out.

I mean, if you read the original fairy tale, it brings a lot more of what happens in this film.

The actual fairy tale gets glory.

I mean, like, because the, the, the quote UN quote ugly step sisters feet were too big.

I say this as somebody who has a size 11 foot, which is huge for a woman here.

I, I wear men's shoes and I, I, I can chop it like the drag queen stores because my feet are so big.

And it's, I, I think it's hilarious.

I, I have big feet, but, but in order to fit the slipper in the, the original fairy tale, they Hacked Off their toes and that really comes into place.

So they pulled from the original dark those those original like dark fairy tales were they were brutal.

Yeah.

You know, and this movie, I like that we brought that into it, you know that that's brought into.

Politics.

I would say that this movie is far more true to the original Cinderella story than the that we come to know and that that's obviously, you know, on purpose.

But yeah, again, you know, like, so it's one of those things, isn't it?

Like, as I was saying, so you know at the beginning where Elvira is perceived to be, you know, the ugly step sister, like the stepfather throws fucking cake at her.

And you know, they're so horrible.

They're so mean to her.

And you know, when she runs into the Prince, even though she's, you know, started going through her, her transformation when she runs into the Prince in the forest and him and his friends who are real.

Douche baggy bro crap type.

Yeah, and they make some really, you know, on PC comments and jokes at her that you certainly wouldn't get away with in 2025.

Let me tell you, you know, so that, you know, she's treated really, really poorly.

But as soon as the transformation starts to take effect and you can see noticeable differences in the characters, You can see how quickly and how differently she is treated, especially from people like, you know, the dance teacher.

You know how differently she talks to her and speaks to her and treats her because she's, again, very mean into her initially and she's like chewing her away.

And then, you know, later on when we get to the ball and everyone's like fawning over Elvira, who looks incredible and is very pretty and beautiful.

And I hate to say it because of how we got there.

Yeah, 100%.

So I want to talk about like some of the things that she has to go through, some of the stuff because it's.

Really quickly, an important part of this is that these things that the mother is inflicting upon and I and she really is inflicting upon it on Elvira cost money.

And not to mention that, you know, Agnes's father had had Agnes in finishing school.

You know, that's, you know, if you're going to be a lady, if you want to, you have to learn how to dance and waltz and, and you have to have deportment and balance and all of these things.

That is, you know, you know, a finishing school that's really some of the highest education women got back in the day.

But so, OK, so and you know that that was expensive.

So we, we got to realize like the money, where's the money coming from?

And and the things that she the the that Elgara's mom is doing to her start costing, but she treats it's a it's also a class issue because oh virus treated differently.

One, she's not attractive conventionally.

I'm using air quotes here, But also she doesn't fit in because, you know, she had no background.

These people have, these other girls have been doing this and finishing school and all this for a while.

And you know, it's, it's very evident as well, you know, when, when the guys coming around to take the names of all of of all the virgins, they keep referring to, you know, the virgins in this movie as well, which is disgusting, isn't it?

But you know, they keep and, and when they're asking for the name and, and Agnes gives her big long, oh, Agnes Vaughn, whatever it is.

And then it's Elvira Vaughn's step sister, you know, like because she doesn't have the status, it's like she doesn't belong there.

She doesn't have the status.

And it's like, you know, again, that's something that I've been, I've, I've had partners previously who because I'm, I'm very working class, I was bought up in a very, very working class household.

Yeah, I grew up in poverty, even though the rest of my family is rich.

And now I, I do okay.

Yeah, we do.

Well, actually.

Yeah, you know, I'm in a similar position where I'm doing okay, I'd like to do better, but you know, I'm not living in that sort of that sort of levels as we were growing up and my parents worked all their days, they worked incredibly hard.

We were just not particularly well off and there's.

My mom worked like 3 jobs.

Yeah.

100% So you know, I and I've had a part I remember once I had an, I had a partner who who was, who was pretty well off and her, her parents were very well off.

And honestly, the treatment I used to get when I would go around the house and the way I used to get spoken to it was, it was, it was awful.

It was really, really awful.

Needless to say, that relationship didn't last particularly long it.

Happened within my own family.

They're just different levels of millionaires.

And my mom, I'm not kidding, I come from my, my family had money, but we, my mom since she got pregnant at 17, kind of got disowned because she was pregnant with me in the 70s.

So she had to make her own way.

But The thing is, is like we would go visit like her best friend, my aunt multi multi millionaire, like tacky level millionaire.

And we would go to their mansion and and stay for a couple of weeks and they would any time anything would like get misplaced, it was Oh well, maybe we should check their bags.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've never stolen anything in my life.

But it was like that look of like all the poor people did it because we're not millionaires, you know, It's like, but you know what?

My brothers and I never stole a thing in our lives.

Like we weren't raised like that, you know, like it was crazy to be treated just like like you're a thief because you're poor or whatever.

You know you get into these class issues.

Yeah, 100%.

And again, that's obviously something this movie deals with the you know, I, I do think, I think this, I think this movie does like a really masterful job at taking all of these like social issues and, and, and twisting it in here with this, this, this classic fairy tale.

And I think it just deals with them really, really well.

And quite frankly as well, it doesn't really mince words.

It doesn't mean it, even though, you know, on the face of it, people will look at this and think, oh, this is like a period drama.

And it's quite, you know, you know, it's, it's maybe not like the most intense thing in the world.

It says what it wants and it says it with its chest puffed out.

And I really, really appreciate that about this film.

But yeah, I want to, I want to get onto, you know, the, the stuff, the procedures and the stuff that Elvira gets put through.

Because the first thing that happens and and and this movie does really well is it takes all the parts of people that people are really squeamish about.

Because what are people the most squeamish?

About.

Eyes.

Yeah, eyes.

Teeth.

Fingernails.

Fingernails.

These are the things that the people in general are the most squeamish about.

So we kick things off with getting her braces removed, which, you know, I believe I've never had braces, but from what I've heard, getting your braces off is still not a particularly pleasant thing for people to go through in 2025.

I can't imagine my.

Brother got adult braces because we couldn't afford braces when we were kids.

So you know, luckily my I have a gap between my teeth.

That one time that I whistled on the show and got embarrassed, it was because of that gap.

But it's like he got adult braces and he's like, that shit hurts.

Yeah, yeah, 100%.

Like I, I, I should have had braces when I was I was a kid because my teeth, a couple of my teeth are glowing in squint, but I think it gives character to my smile.

So, But you know, yeah, so I could you can only imagine that the sort of the sort of pain, although she kind of off plays it off a little bit in the movie.

And so it's probably the least intense procedure that she goes through because what I really want to talk about is the nose because.

This and you got to understand because I, I just spoke about my nose earlier.

Like I, there was twice in my life I was going to go through and get my nose done because it, it was just so big and it was the one thing everybody was like that's, you know, you'd be beautiful if it weren't for that nose.

But you're cute.

You're, you're attractive.

It's just that nose.

You got a big, you got a man's nose.

That's what they was called a man's nose.

What the fuck does that mean?

But like, so the nose thing really hit home for me and I was like, how in the fuck are they gonna Oh, that's what they're.

Oh, shit.

Because the, the, the poster art that I had originally seen with her with this device on her nose.

And so that intrigued me.

And I'm like, oh, This is why.

This is why, Yeah.

So what they do in the movie, for those who maybe haven't seen it, they essentially just take a hammer and chisel and chisel away some of the bone of her nose, which, you know, I still think like it's probably not 1,000,000 miles away from what like the plastic surgery now is for it.

You just, you know, are just, it's probably done with, it's done with cleaner materials and cleaner utensils and you're actually put under, you know, anesthesia for it.

She obviously goes through this and this is the first time we really see her sort of suffering the pain of what she's going to have to go through because.

Yeah, when they took that hammer and the chisel was just like bang, I was like, oh, Oh no.

And then to to like have to keep it shaped that this is metal device that's over the nose.

And it's it's actually like a really like as far as like a horror poster is, is beautiful in that way.

A weird choice of words I just use.

And it kind of has like the straps.

They like go around and she for a big part of the film is wearing that.

So, you know, when she's at the finishing school, she's got that thing on her nose trying to reshape it.

And it's like, so it's the, they basically broke it and they wanted to heal a certain way.

So we've got this big metal thing that you got to wear constantly, like, oh.

And the plastic surgeon is so nonchalant about it as well when it's like hammering away, you know, he's which I guess is kind of probably his job to do.

But there's also that seed, isn't there where you know, she's made to remove it before it's healed.

And you can, you can hear like this sort of tearing at the skin as she pulls off.

And you just know that that's.

That's painful as fuck, right?

You know?

Yeah.

So the nose was a big one for me.

And the eyelashes.

This is 1, I think.

Yeah.

And then see, I'm a person because I have blonde things, but like my eyelashes look like they don't exist because they are white blonde.

Yeah.

And you've seen I wear fakes a lot.

I am the same to you.

I obviously don't wear fake eyelashes, but I am very.

Very.

I think you look fabulous and fake.

Thank you.

I'm sure I would.

But yeah, so they essentially, they essentially just sew fake eyelashes onto her eyelids.

Yeah, and it's, and it's the same guy who did the nose thing.

He's like, well, here he pulls out like this big thing with these different types of lashes.

Like I think these ones look good.

And at that point you don't quite know how how they're going to do it.

Yeah, it's not like they they're like me and they have like lash glue and you just pop those fuckers on it when they start sewing those on.

I was like, jeez as fuck.

It's.

Like, you know and that, but this time she gets something for the pain.

They rub cocaine into her eyeballs.

Yeah, because it has a numbing property.

There are in some dentistry they still use it.

Yeah, yeah.

But I love the fact that, you know he's rubbing into her eyeballs and then he takes a bump himself.

Yeah, that guy is quite a character.

Yeah, but yeah.

And then, you know, we, we, we get to see, you know, some of the the needlework that's getting happening.

And as that's happening, you see the nurse you know has one of her eyeballs has been damaged because presumably she's.

Because of an oopsy.

Because of the same procedure.

And then so there's that moment of danger, isn't it?

Because that's the last thing you want to see when you're having to go through this, isn't it that like, yeah, you know, this has gone wrong.

And so you know that the that I can, I don't.

Want to needle anywhere near my eyeball?

No, I, you know, I'm someone who, who has a fake eye and you know, this is, you know, eyes are something that's quite one of the few things that I, I, I'm particularly squeamish about, but you know, most.

No, we're going to get to the thing that I'm probably the most squeamish about here.

Like if I can just.

Go for it.

Fire it.

OK, I have a thing.

OK, I'm going to tell a really gross story here.

OK, now my, my one of my rich aunts, her husband owns like body shops, you know, for cars, but he would do like the ones for like the magazines and stuff.

And they were buying a second shop.

So they were cash poor and, and out in DC you have to pay to have your garbage picked up.

But since they were cash poor, the the power was off in their mansion because they put all the, you know, the money into the second shop.

Now obviously it paid off, but that was a miserable summer.

So we were throwing the trash into the garage.

Now the day came where we had to get all of it out of there, and it was summer and the floor was full of maggots.

Every time you stepped, it was squish.

I mean, I have this intense fear of anything that's white and squirms.

And so when the lady's like, oh, well, let's lose that weight.

Here's some.

And this is a it's actually kind of coming back in vogue right now.

But they would, I mean, even in the in the 60s and 70s, they would sell paper makes and you would.

And with a tapeworm, it just basically eats the stuff for you.

But I mean, you have a parasite inside of you and it's squirmy and it's a gross.

So that part is what like we actually like, for me being into like all the the gross and gory shit that I love in movies, I was like, please don't.

No, not this, not this.

So it was fucking that got me.

Yeah, that got me.

Because there's that scene, isn't it?

Obviously when she tells her sister Alma that, you know, this is what what she's planning on doing and Alma really sort of chastises her for for.

This Alma seems to be the only person who cares about her sister.

Yeah, she genuinely.

Cares about Elvira at all, like.

And Alma is completely at peace with herself being a nerd and being who she is.

She's very happy in her skin.

Yeah, and she's worried about her sister.

And but you do this though, don't you find though, when you meet people and when you meet people that are happy with the way they are, imperfections and all that, they are the most attractive people, the people who are just so comfortable in their own skin.

And you know, and Alma is absolutely that and she genuinely cares her.

Confidence is sexy.

Yeah, and so she chastises her sister, but it's when she runs into the Prince in the forest that and and they they make fun of her and they joke and, you know, he jokes about not wanting to have sex with her and, and, and all of these things that she finally decides.

I'm going to take this taper, Meg.

And obviously, this is kind of like the big crux of the movie because as the movie goes on, Elvira's condition begins to deteriorate.

Now, that's obviously partly down to the pressure that she's put under, the stress that she's put under from her mother, but it's also down to the tape or that's, you know.

It's causing her to have malnutrition.

Yeah.

And it also happens when you have an eating disorder.

I mean, your hair starts to fall out.

It gets really thin and brittle because you're not getting the nutrients that you need that a body needs to, you know.

So basically she's so obsessed with like being thinner that you know she has.

And I don't think I I could handle any just knowing there was a parasite inside of me.

Sorry, I'd just rather be chunky but like it.

It's just so gross.

It is.

And you know, so obviously as the film progresses, we see that, like you say, the hair starts to fall out and we, we're constantly hearing, aren't we, the rumbling that's going on in the squelching that's going on inside her and the, the, the parasite that she is trying to feed.

And then we have a couple of scenes now.

First up, there's a scene where Elvira vomits and she vomits up a pile of tapeworm eggs.

Obviously, this parasite.

Is like no, no, see, my stomach is already turning on it like that's one the one thing I can't handle.

I'm like, please no.

Because because she was given an antidote to the tapeworm or something that would kill the parasite.

And so there's that at that moment, you're like, please just take the fucking antidote.

You you know it's it's never mentioned again until she takes it at the end of the movie.

But, and, and here's the thing also is that usually when people use this as a diet thing, like I said, it's still something people do.

It's usually you just want one tapeworm, but she took several eggs of the tape, so she has more than one going on.

It's eating alive all of her nutrients and everything.

And when you she throws up and it there's all of those, I'm like, good God.

It's her insides are completely wrecked.

Yeah.

And it's so it's and it's gross to boot.

It's fucking disgusting.

Yeah, 100%.

And then there's the scene, isn't there at the end of the movie where she finally takes the antidote.

And, you know, we see a tapeworm emerge from her mouth and almost starts to sort of pull it out.

And it keeps going.

It keeps going and keeps going.

You're like, Jesus Christ, this is a fucking huge tapeworm.

And those that can happen, tapeworms can be.

Yeah, they can get really, really long.

You know, it reminds me I'm I'm a book.

I love Grady Hendrix as an author, and I interviewed him on my old show.

But they're in in my best friend's exorcism there.

There's one like that and they have to keep going to get this tapeworm out.

And I'm just like, oh God.

That's not the worst part, though.

No.

Because eventually, you know, she, she get the tapeworm.

She then proceeds to vomit up about 1220 other tapeworms out of her mouth at the same time.

And you know it's.

And what a sister to just get in there and do that damn thing.

Yeah, exactly.

You know.

Oh my God, if my brother came to me with that, I'd be like, I love you and I love you, but I I'm going to go think about my life's choices.

I might have to check myself in somewhere for a while because I can't.

Oh dear God.

Yeah, it's, yeah.

So there's that's, that's that's that really disgusting moment.

That's probably, I would say one of the most disgusting scenes in the movie where she is vomiting up all these tapeworms and it's just you can.

And then at that point, it just actualizes because up until that point, you know, we've seen the tapeworm eggs, we know there's more than one, but we can't, there's something in you that maybe just doesn't isn't quite able to like visualize what that actually looks like until it's all coming out of her and.

Yeah.

And I mean, they were very realistic about it.

Like, yeah, those tapeworms can get really long.

They they can take up your whole intestinal tract.

Yeah, they can grow that big.

Well, and it's something else, so.

There's like these levels of realism actually.

I think that's what works in its favour is these things are very visceral and very real.

Yeah.

But what this is one thing that we were sort of talking about, I think we just kind of talked about it when we were doing our episode on Tusk, is that, you know, when you're doing a body horror film, you need to sort of go balls to the wall and be grotesque And what this movie does, because we never felt that Tusk really did that.

We felt that Tusk always kind of just even like, and it might sound bizarre.

Like it got so close and then it would pull away.

Whereas this movie.

Go all in.

Because the thing I think that that movie had such huge build up to this huge thing, right?

And the thing was that Justin Long is turns into a walrus and it's this crazy concept.

What this movie does, I think is flips it.

And because it has such a social commentary, it's deemed as a period piece.

It builds much slower to that.

So when that moment happens, it has a much, much bigger impact and that scene has a much bigger impact.

And what I think this movie does really, really well, The effects in this movie are great.

It does a really good fucking job.

The tapeworms look great and you know the scene, you know where the with the eyeball and the nose being chiseled and everything else.

Everything looks great from a horror perspective.

And I think it was brilliant to put this in a period setting.

But everything applies to current things that things that we do to ourselves and it's mainly women that do it.

I wear fake eyelashes, but there are those who get the ones that are like, it's almost sewn in because they're permanent.

And I'm I could never do that.

Like I like the ability to take them off because you know what I'm saying?

But also I really feel like with, even though like the tapeworm diet was still a thing in recent times, less and less so.

But right now I think it represents Ozempic.

Now here's the thing.

They put me on it because my blood sugar got kind of crazy there for a minute.

And what happened is I took it for about, I don't know, nine months or so and it got to the point where I physically couldn't eat.

It was and you're sick to your stomach.

I mean, like in every conceivable way, it hurts, you're sick and every end it's, it's like to the point that you're afraid to eat.

And so that's how, how people are losing the weight is you're, you get afraid to eat because, and I don't know how these celebrities that do it aren't running to the bathroom every 5 seconds when they're on, you know, the red carpet like, and, and you just lose, you know, I think Sharon Osbourne talked about it, you know, she, she lost the ability to want to eat and got too thin.

I mean, because it it, it has like a psycho effective thing of like food.

Food is bad because it hurts and it makes me sick and I was on it not for weight loss.

So I mean it, I feel like it's, it's a representation of Ozempic because a lot of people don't talk about the side effects of it.

You know, it's just like, oh, I'm on Ozempic and I've lost 10 lbs.

And by the way, I throw up and I have constant diarrhea and I just can't eat because I can't stand the pain of the the sickness.

Is gone, that's it, and I feel like that's a lot of it.

That's that's not just, you know, something that's systematic of Ozempic that goes for a lot of cosmetic and you know, elective surgeries and things like that.

People people take them, people do them.

You know, there's this, but you know, people going abroad to get like their teeth done and get BBLS and go into these countries and everyone's like, oh, look how amazing like so and so looks and look how amazing such and such looks after they've had their their Brazilian butt lift or whatever it is.

But no one ever really talks about.

Well, actually, you know, she couldn't sit down for six months, you know, and actually you couldn't have, you couldn't have a solid meal for, you know, three months and all this.

And then there's the BB BBL smell because of like, there's like can be necrosis.

Yeah.

Because it's it's just not normal butts like that don't happen normally.

Yeah.

Exactly.

So there's.

So there's like this whole talk and discourse in recent times of people talking about a BBL smell, you know, So like, there's always a payoff.

There's always some kind of payoff, and it's not usually a good one.

Yeah, exactly.

So 100%, you know, that that that is, that is definitely, you know, something that even though, you know, in this sort of period piece and like you say, I think it is a really great decision for them to make it this kind of period piece, isn't it?

Because again, it also also shows you that these were these were issues hundreds of years ago as well.

And and that sort of brings me on to this whole idea of like virginity and, you know, purity, because that's something that's quite heavily.

And when you get into like the incel community or, you know, right now, it's a big thing.

Men are very specific.

They want young women who are virgins.

And but of course, men can't be virgins.

They got to be women or whoever they're having sex with somebody, these men.

But the women are to be pure.

And for me, in my mind, it's because they don't want people to know how bad and bad they are.

I feel like if you are on the quest for young virgins, it's because you're terrible in bed.

I, I like listen, I remember when I was, you know, 60 and I, I, I lost, I lost my virginity when I was 16.

And my partner at the time, who was also 16, was her first time as well.

And it was fucking horrific.

It was.

Awful.

Like I would never ever want to do that.

You know, the same same thing happened to me.

I'm demisexual so I have to be in a relationship or I can't.

I've never been able to have casual sex.

I don't know if that's good or bad.

I just can't do it.

So I was with a guy and we in high school and we we were virgins.

It lasted about two seconds and it not only that, but it was just awful.

Yeah, it's it's.

Just terrible.

Like I'm like, at least it's like ripping off a Band-Aid.

I'm like, OK, it's going to get better at some point.

I never.

I broke up with him immediately after.

I was like, I don't think I was ready to be having sex.

Honestly.

I felt too young.

But but, you know, I think it's something like the emergence of, you know, fucking Dick heads like Andrew Tate and, you know, all these kind of characters out there.

Who hate women so much, I'm surprised that they're even interested in women.

Yeah, like, but it's people like that that like that that really kind of reinforced and pushed in the in the sort of 21st century, this idea of people need to be pure and women aren't allowed to go out and and sleep with who they want and women.

Called them, ran through.

There's so many horrible things.

They're like, oh, she's ran through.

Meaning like what?

She's had sex a couple of times with a couple of serious partners.

Okay, that's not ran through.

You realize the vagina can birth a baby.

It stretches and then then it goes back and then the term loose and you know they're meaning like physically loose like like that.

It loosens.

It's like maybe you have a small Dick Now I'm just being mean.

But The thing is, is like, it's, I think it's a mental game for them.

They want to, you know, they want to be the only one.

And it's like other people have lives.

Like why do you get to have a life?

And it's, it's, it's bad when I have, you know, if I've had sex, if I've had partners, you know, they're fine if it's, if it's me and another woman.

Oh yeah, of course.

But.

They also don't consider that that might, you know, get, you know, 'cause I'm bisexual.

So it's like, I've been with women and I've been with men and you know, it's, it's I just don't get that whole idea.

And plus, you know, I was, you know, I, I've had, I had two kids, but and people one, I get hate for that.

And let me tell you why women consider that I didn't actually give birth because I had two C sections.

My kids were gigantic, like a 10 LB baby and then an 11 LB baby.

So I didn't give vaginal birth.

I had C sections.

So men are like, cool, you're not loose and women are like, you didn't even really give birth.

So I can't do any, you know, like I did every the thing I've done is wrong here.

And it's all because everyone's obsessed with this idea about vaginas.

That's completely wrong anyway.

But the virgin thing does apply here, because Agnes, who is our Cinderella?

She.

Gets caught fucking the stable boy and then like they start to treat her like shit and call her names like oh you're a whore and this and that you know?

Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's that thing, though, isn't it?

Because it's the it's in the movie sense as well, though it's also the pot kettle black.

Because it's the mother who is calling her all of these names.

Because even though Elvira is the one who discovers it, you know, I don't think she really knows what to do with that information when when she sees it at the time.

Because I still like she still has that.

That innocence.

Innocence within her.

Even though the transformation has begun, that innocence is still within her and I don't think Alma would have really cared that much if she had discovered it.

Because Elvira is like this romantic.

She wants to be with the guy who wrote the poetry.

It's not because he's the Prince.

He writes the poetry and he's, you know, whatever.

You know, it's also like classically romantic, you know, to be like with the stable boy as well at the same time, you know, which is who Agnes is fucking in this instance.

And yeah, she's she's have like and.

It's like that shouldn't be a crime.

No 100%.

Because they seem to genuinely have feelings for each other.

Yeah, because you obviously said so.

I need to go and marry the Prince, but I'll never love anyone else.

I'll only love you and all these things and then this, the stable.

I can't remember what his name is, but he.

I can't either.

He he gets, he essentially gets run out of town.

And yeah.

And he's just, you know, proclaiming his love the whole time.

Yeah.

So, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's the hypocrisy of it for me because because you know, that we we see towards the end of the movie when, you know, Elvira has failed to sort of capture the prints for, you know, lack of a better.

Term she's wearing that that terrible wig.

I mean, I know that it was.

Speaking of wigs, like, you know, I I know we talked about the Prince and his friends being douchebags, but the worst character has to be the guy who came to fit the dress, right?

Like, he was just disgusting and grotesque and hideous, hideous, hideous character.

Anyways, I've lost my train of yes, you have this.

You see the mother's change of behaviour once Elvira has sort of failed to to bag the Prince.

First off, you know, when when the Prince goes after Agnes, when she shows up, he's like, pull yourself together, you know, like, you know, there's other rich men in this room where you can go and grab one of them.

And then when they go back to the house, the mother obviously then, well, she's going to have to be the one who earns the money again, I guess.

I guess that's her mindset.

And we see her, you know, taking home guys.

We do see something in this movie that you don't see very often in TV.

You see an erect peanuts.

Oh, yeah.

Which is that's, that's a, that's ATV and movie.

No, no.

Yeah, Well, The thing is, is, you know, I think it's that European like sensibilities like we're so morally dumb in in in America, but in.

In the UK as well in the UK.

Yeah.

So I mean, I think that, you know, from what I understand, you know, people say stuff is like European, it means like these European sensibilities, like, you know, it's hey, it's a fucking Dick, you know what I mean?

Exactly.

Like, no big deal, we all you know.

Half the popular half, half the population have them, the other half have seen them so.

Yeah, I mean, and it's not like this is something a child would be watching.

If you're a good parent, you don't show your kids this, you know?

So, yeah, so there's that one other scene that we haven't talked about in terms of this whole transformation thing, and it comes after she's sort of failed.

It's the toes, isn't it?

It's the toes scene where the.

Toes and see that is that is in the original fairy tale like as I mentioned at the beginning and so she goes and and you know Elvira goes and she starts trying to do it and she can't go through with it and then she gets.

The first hit in though, she gets the.

First hit, yeah, she gets the 1st.

Oh yeah, and then she gets, you know, put under because of the pain and the mom finishes the God damn.

Job well, there's that really funny moment, isn't there?

Because like, the one thing we haven't really talked about too much is like, this is a this is a funny movie.

Like there's real.

Moments.

Oh yeah, there's a lot of comedic moments.

Yeah, there's some real funny moments in this movie.

It's the moment when she comes in, she's like, you've chopped the toes off the wrong foot, you know.

Yeah, because obviously she's trying to get the slipper to fit, but she's getting, she's chopped off the toast at the slipper.

She already has.

So yeah, there's that.

There's that moment in there as well.

But yeah, there's that moment and.

I think it was just the desperation the Elvira has felt and been driven to by her own mother.

Yeah, and I know.

That she's like, I'll fucking do it.

At this point, I've done all these other things.

I might as well, well, this is because my mom expects these things out of me.

And the fucking fact that the mom's like, yeah, I'm going to help you.

I'm going to fucking finish this job.

Because at that point I think Elvira realizes like, what the fuck am I doing?

Yeah, because there's that moment, isn't there?

When, you know, Agnes makes her grand entrance to the to the ball and the Prince who has initially chosen Elvira, I think that that's also the part that probably makes it worse for her in this moment because he has chosen her.

He she is the one who he has chosen to dance with.

And that looks like a merit.

That would be a marriage from hell.

Yeah, yeah.

But he also just like, casts her aside so casually as well.

When Elvira, when Agnes walks in.

But you can tell there's that moment where there's that that switch in Elvira where she realizes everything has been for nothing.

You know, she's where where all the things, all these procedures, all the pain, all the hurt, all the psychological torture and the physical sort of manifestations of.

Everything that she's had to go through, she was focused on achieving, was getting with the Prince.

That's not going to happen.

I think it would cause, you know, a mental break.

And I think that's what happens and that's what.

Exactly.

And and, you know, that's why we get when when we go back to the house because obviously at the ball she discovers, doesn't she?

At midnight, you know, she sees, oh, it's Agnes.

So she goes back and she tries to kill her.

She she takes the meat cleaver and she initially just tries to kill her.

And then eventually, you know, it transpires and she thought that's when she, you know, she's had her break and she decides to try and chop off her toes so that it'll fit right.

So I think she'd been driven mad and and one thing that's important and maybe not everybody realizes this is when you like for all intents and purposes, she's got an eating disorder.

I mean, we're being gross eared about the tapeworm thing.

You know, if you are not getting the proper nutrition to your brain, and this happened to me, you can't think, you cannot make decisions, you can't make rational things of your brain.

It it affects your your actual brain.

And so not just the physical stuff, but like, so she is completely can't make rational thoughts.

You know, it it it's the lack of nutrition doesn't just kill you in your heart because that's it needs to weigh your heart, but it also, yeah, your brain is like mashed potatoes.

Yeah, yeah, 100%.

It's my mom.

She intervened on mine 'cause I had it as an adult.

And she's just like you.

You can't, you're just like not there.

You're not making any sense, Candy, you're not, you know, And I'm like, I, I can't think.

I can't think you need food to think.

Yeah, that's it.

It's literally our, our body's source of energy, our source of it's our, it's our fuel, so.

Yeah, it's almost like you're in a fugue state.

You just really can't.

You're just existing.

You can't make thoughts.

You really kind of need to be led by the hand.

And so it also is easier for her to submit.

But yeah, I mean, she was just building up to a mental break because of course you would be.

Yeah.

And then to not get the one thing.

And it became like this Focus 1, you know, Cyrus thinks she's in love with this guy and he's clearly proven he's a douche and an ass and and very, very just shallow.

But so it just, it all comes together for her and I think it just causes that.

And I think that in itself as well is also a is is also social commentary in that like society, you will be forgiven for a lot of really negative and not nice personal qualities if you have status and if you have money and if you have power.

Yes, and I and at one point, Agnes is like, she calls out Rebecca, the stepmother, like, how are you paying for this?

Yeah, how where's this money that, you know, you're spending all this money and on this and why are you, where are you getting it from?

What are you doing?

You.

Know, because at the same time, you know, she's obviously mourning her father as well and she just wants, she just wants her to pay for her father's funeral, which you know is.

You know is being put off because you know the mom is investing in Elvira.

Yeah, 100%.

Kind of want to briefly mention there is one part of this movie that like it just didn't sit right for me.

And you know, we we all know that this is the Cinderella story, right?

And it's the reverse telling of this Cinderella story and we're seeing it from the step sisters perspective and things.

I just felt that, you know, that scene where Agnes's mum returns as her like fairy godmother sort of character and tells her that, you know, at midnight things are going to go back and it's going to be the pumpkin.

And we see the pumpkin at one point in the movie early doors.

And I was like, see if she shows up with like mice helpers.

And then there's a scene later where she's she has a she's fucking chatting to a fucking mouse later in the movie.

And I was like, oh, I really, I really, I really wish they hadn't done that because like, I felt that I, I felt that that was just like, we didn't need that.

We knew, we know the story.

You don't need to tell us the story again.

And she basically gives her like the like the silkworms that men the dress.

And I, I agree with you.

I, I felt like we were, you know, it was not necessary.

We didn't need any of that to happen because it's like we already got that.

It's about it's the Cinderella's story, but like to add that like Disneyfication to it.

It really felt.

I thought.

I thought it just felt out of place because the whole movie is about the opposite.

It's about the opposite.

Yeah, exactly.

And then suddenly we almost sort of took a flight of fantasy, didn't we, into this moment where we kind of tried.

Yeah.

It felt like a different universe.

And it did.

It took me out for a couple of minutes.

So it.

Could have it.

It could have gone so many different ways if you would have stayed.

I think in this grounded in reality, you know, telling of it because one, we've already been shown that Agnes isn't perfect.

We've already been shown that, you know, she does kind of have a little bit of a nasty personality at times.

And we, and we've already seen that, you know, she's defying convention by, you know, fucking the stable boy and all that shit.

So why, why do we need this?

If we would have skipped that all together then it still would have been fine.

Yeah, you literally all you needed was a brief scene of her mending her own dress and that's and that's it.

That's that's literally all you need because the rest.

Yeah, and because, I mean, if you're going to show like sewing on lashes, why can't this?

Why can't Agnes just mixer dress?

Yeah, exactly why not?

Clearly there's needles around.

I mean.

But yeah, I mean, like, I'm picking that up because obviously we've kind of been gushing about this movie, you know, for the best part of an.

Hour that you are correct about that, yeah.

I did kind of want to just bring that up briefly because it is a moment I just felt was really unnecessary around this, but.

I don't feel like it ruins the movie.

No, 100% a hundred.

Percent.

But it does make you feel like suddenly you're pulled out a little from the movie and you're like, man, I really wish they hadn't done that.

And then we just get to go back into it, you know?

I've kind of covered most of my points that I want to, I want to talk about just to lower the tone a little bit.

It's talking are like really disgusting scenes.

It's the scene when she gets caught having sex with the stable boy and there's just that shot of like the cum dribbling down her dress.

Yes.

And then I just feel that like that's such a great shot for a body horror movie because, you know, because.

It, you know, nobody wants to see that.

No, no, no, wait, wait, wait.

I'm sure there are people that want OK hold.

On no king shaming.

No.

And I'm not king shaming.

I just think like, you know, I guess if you're gonna go all in, go all in.

Yeah.

But for me as, as, you know, just where it put me as I'm thinking bitch, like you're gonna get pregnant.

That's what happens, you know, like.

But but this is what I'm talking about when this when I'm talking about body horror movies as well, because this movie went all in and it showed us it.

And that's where that's that's where I think this really succeeds as a body horror movie because like you say, you know, you're sitting watching a movie.

No one really wants to see that.

Like, and one of the great things I think, and when we talk about sort of classic body horror movies and classic movies and it really kind of brings to mind things like Hellraiser and you know, that scene where Frank's body is reanimating and it's really gooey and it's horrible and it's sticky and it's disgusting and it kind of brought, it's literally just a 2 second shot in this movie.

But it really reminded me of that more, you know, when that's like he's like emerging from the floorboard sort of thing.

Oh yeah, and, and that's one of the the most famous in in, in horror because it's so goddamn well done and so effective sound design.

The the effects themselves, they hold up.

Why will?

Stay well.

Say as well as that stable boy has a thick load.

Yeah, there was.

There was a whole hell of a lot.

Jesus.

Christ.

It's like, I think that guy needs to go into porn.

That's that's a that's a porn thing, you know, but I do, I do like it because it also it it's really expounding the thing that, you know, Cinderella is not perfect.

Agnes isn't perfect.

She's out there maybe getting pregnant by the stable boy, which would be against all of her finishing school things, but.

Against the Prince the Princess wishes because he wants a virgin, right?

You know so.

So she's not a virgin and she's clearly, you know, this isn't the first time and clearly they've been doing this for a while now and they have feelings for each other and, you know, she loves them.

But it's like, you know, what if she turns out pregnant by the stable boy and just, you know, would she be like, I got to hurry and fuck the Prince?

So he thinks it's the baby, you know, like it's his baby.

Like, because yeah, you know, I'm sorry.

Just as a as a woman, it's like, man, I just, you get pregnant from that.

I'm just.

Like, but yeah, that.

Would have been a scandal.

That would that would have been a scandal.

That is the points I really wanted to cover.

So, Candy, you have the floor if there's anything else about this movie that you would like to talk about.

No, I feel like I've, I've covered everything and then I know that I'm kind of known for, for bringing personal things to it.

And when I say these personal stories, it's not because I'm trying to make it about me.

I want people to, to understand that I do know what I feel like I can bring some more information to things like talking about my eating disorder.

And I'm sorry if I trigger anybody when I talk about these things because on shows I always bring something up.

But it's because I've had personal experience, and maybe that will enrich what you know now, why certain things make sense in the story, you know?

I, I feel like that's one of those I, again, we're going to our own trumpet here for a few seconds.

I think that's one of the beauties of the show that we do is that we, we, we always do relate and we're very open and, and Nico is, and Nico is as well.

We're very, very open about, you know, our own personal stories and the things that we've gone through and the struggles that we have and we relate to them to the movies, because I think that also makes it more relatable for, for for listeners and for viewers of movies and things like that as well.

So I, I personally really love the fact that we are able to do that.

You know, I think for a lot.

Too I just I get a little torn inside.

One I have severe anxiety but two I've had people reach out.

I mean, like when Joe Bob read my letter about my sugar with acoraphobia and PTSD and panic disorder on the on the last drive in, I had so many people reach out to me and say thank you for talking about that.

So if I can provide that and then it's not that I need anybody to reach out and but you know that you can listeners, I'm I'm saying that, you know, I want this to be normalized, that we are open and we talk about these things.

And if I can bring something to the conversation that one makes a person sees feel like seen, but also, you know, provide maybe a different perspective.

It is so if I make it very uncomfortable and I have a few times because some people like you over share.

But no, I'm just living my truth.

And I had information I thought was useful.

And also, you know, I think eating disorders, there's some very public struggles with some famous people right now with it.

And you know, I know there there are are people out there and it's not just girls and women, like young girls or women.

There are plenty of men and non binary and, and how what have you that struggle with these things?

And I'm telling you the truth about it.

Yes, and and, and and, and a wider point as well that I think this is one of the great things about horror as well is that horror is a genre that it feels like it, it's at the forefront of commenting and making commentary on a lot of these issues.

And we've discussed, you know, obviously.

Historically, I mean, it's always been the one that can touch any, any subject.

Anything talk.

About like a drama film that does it is groundbreaking, but in horror it happens all the time.

And you know, today, you know, we we've talked a lot about eating disorders and things like that.

But, you know, if you've listened to this podcast for any length of time, you'll know we've talked about, you know, we've.

Talked about a lot.

Of, you know, we've talked about, you know, sexual assault and mental health issues and depression and, and all kinds of things and, and, and health issues and.

My horrendous anxiety.

Yeah, yeah.

And, and, and and and just just all manner of things because these are the things that horror brings to the forefront of people's minds.

And again, you know, and horror.

And and the horror community is so very accepting of everyone.

Yes, I I, I truly believe so.

Yeah, I feel.

Comfortable in speaking in that manner and speaking to that community.

And I feel very accepted.

And I feel like, you know, for me, I just feel like when I went through a lot of my mental health struggles, I needed somebody to listen and to say, hey, I know what that feels like.

And so maybe somebody who's listening to this, maybe they need to hear this.

And that's what I realize once again, thanks to to Joe Bob, he's come through a couple of times in my life and really been great.

And then I was able to, through these platforms, get to others who needed to hear about, like, how did you get past your glorophobia?

How did this happen?

I've never heard anybody talk about this.

So if I can be that person for you guys, I'm so happy to be.

Yeah.

And listen, we don't need recognition.

We don't need people to tell us that, you know, we don't need people to tell us, but we, we are like, and they all like Candy obviously said there, you know, our our DMS as a podcast and as people are always open to people who are struggling, who need help.

We are.

We're not professionals.

We are, you know, we.

Are not professionals, but we can certainly direct you in that way And and I, I can be the one to be like here.

Here's what helps me and I suggest you know, hey, therapy is is wonderful and there's so many different kinds of it and and it's not anything to be ashamed of or your medication.

I sit here with my Klanopin just in case I get nervous during the show.

It's it's my reality.

And but yeah, it's I'm happy for the recognition that I got on the Joe Bob thing because the platform was huge.

Yeah.

And I helped other people and I'm happy to help people.

I I just want them to be helped.

You don't ever have to tell me.

Yeah, that's it.

Yeah.

We're, we're, we're not here to, to pat.

Like, I know, I know.

We, we, we laugh and joke about sort of patting ourselves.

And we're not here to pat ourselves on our back, on the back.

Absolutely.

No.

At the end of the day, we're here to talk about horror movies and we're here to talk about how that relates to us.

And if we can help some people along the way, that is, that's great as well.

So we're, we're not here to be told.

Listen, people, if people want to tell us what a great podcast that we have, I will never, ever, ever tire.

I'll never tire.

I'll never, I'll never tire of hearing hearing people praise our podcast.

But you know, we're not here for recognition.

If if we have helped people, I know we have helped people, you know we.

Yeah.

And, and the best recognition that I've ever gotten is like is when, when they tell me I like listening to you guys because you feel like my friends, like not in an unhealthy way, but like you, you speak in a way that like you're so comfortable with yourselves and you're so, you know, honest and you're, you're funny and whatever.

And so that for them to say that made my day like, wow, that was really cool.

That was really amazing.

Dad, if you're going to pay me a compliment, that was the best one.

Yeah, 100%.

Thank you for that.

100% and it's also one of the reasons why I genuinely don't and people I've had people say, oh, you must, you must, but I genuinely do very, very minimal editing of podcasts that we put out and genuine.

Generally any editing that I do do is technical issues that I'm removing.

You know, I try, I try to keep our conversation because as raw as possible, because I feel, I feel like sometimes a lot of podcasts fall into this trap of over editing their shows.

And I think they sound a little too slick.

Yeah, 100%.

And I love the fact that we have this sort of, and I, I've, I've also had the flip side of it and I've had people say, well, you just can't be bothered and you know, like that.

That's probably also partly true that I, I genuinely don't have, you know, 6 hours to spend editing every single episode that we do because, you know, life.

But yes.

But I really love the fact that we have this sort of raw and continuous flow.

I think in in our conversation and Nico as well because.

They're very.

Yeah, they're very natural.

Yeah.

And.

And we miss you, Nico.

I'd really wanted to.

I'd love to hear his take on this.

Yeah, I hope because.

He always brings we we each bring something to the table that is is it just makes it a full meal.

I.

I really 100.

Percent agree and I'm just glad to be back recording.

I know, I know it's felt like so, right, right.

Just before we move on, as I was speaking to candy before we, we hit the record button today.

This is a brand new movie.

It's a it's a Scandinavian movie.

It's a shudder movie.

When I was trying to do my research and I know you were looking up as well, Candy, we were really, really struggling to find a deeper trivia on this movie.

I think we've been quite in depth in our discussion today.

So we are we are for this episode, going to skip over the trivia segment.

Because there's just not a lot to find there's.

Not a lot to find.

It's a brand new release.

It's a relatively small release movie.

This isn't a big thing.

Yeah, it, I mean, basically it just came straight to shutter.

I mean, I know I had premieres in some places, but they were, you know, in Europe.

Yeah.

So we are going to skip over that.

So with that being said, we're going to go straight on to our ratings and our reviews.

Congratulations, you are still alive.

Most people are so ungrateful to be a.

Lawyer and as always, we will start off with the critics scorers.

IMDb currently has this rated at seven.

Met critic also has this rated at 7.

You're going to win either way, Candy.

But we're back to the guessing game you won last week.

In fact, in our last episode, you beat Nico at the the the Rotten Tomatoes.

I think it was a fluke.

Now my problem is I overthink it and I I go the exact wrong way.

So we'll see.

We'll see.

OK, well what?

What do you think the Rotten Tomatoes critics rated the ugly step sister?

It feels like a critics kind of movie, so I'm going to say I'm going to go 80.

You're right, it is a critics kind of movie, maybe more so than you thought because the Rotten Tomatoes.

Currently the Rotten Tomatoes Critics has this rated at 96%.

Oh damn.

OK, that's wonderful to hear.

That's that's great.

I this.

That was a good loss for me.

I'm.

Happy.

Yeah, it's damn near perfection.

Obviously it's still a new movie, so I would imagine that score will probably fluctuate, yeah, slightly.

And I think I think you're probably right.

I think when it's set settles, I think it'll settle somewhere in the 80s for me.

But the correct consensus, taking a hammer and chisel to a quintessential fairy tale, the ugly step sisters masterful application of gore and subversion are the stuff that nightmares are made of.

Yeah, I think this is perfect.

I think even even if we had felt slightly differently about this movie, I still think this would be the critics favorite.

Yeah, it, it just has like, I don't know it.

It's definitely just feels like the kind of movie that critics would love.

Yeah, 100%.

So with that being said, what do you think the is the Rotten Tomatoes audience score currently?

I haven't heard or seen anybody say negative things about this, but I I still think it's going to be lower than the critics.

I'll let's see 75.

OK, it is lower than the critics, you're correct.

But with the critics being at 96%, you know, there's, there's, there's not much higher.

But again, you'll probably be pleasantly surprised to know that the Wrong to Miles audience currently has this at 87%.

Well, God, I am really happy with both of.

Those so this movie, this movie really is hitting home with both the audience.

And but you know what I also think what factors into that is the type of people who who liked now this is, you know, leaving out anybody who maybe struggles with dyslexia or something like that.

But like in the case of Nico, but people who tend to watch subtitled films and and foreign films, they tend to, they tend to just really be higher on those films.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, it has.

Like an air of something.

It's, it's maybe not the greatest word for it, but it does add that sort of air of snobbery about it, doesn't it, You know?

I mean like a pretentiousness maybe, but I mean I like them and I tend to score them that way.

I don't think I'm being pretentious, I just think.

That well, I mean, I mean.

They tend to be more artsy.

You don't see a lot of foreign films that come out that are just subtitled and they're comedies, you know, they're usually dealing with some heavier stuff and.

I mean, we've done a couple of subtitled Movies Now on the show.

Let, let let the right one.

I'm going to bring some more to the table.

Yeah, let the right one in is probably the best example because that's that's still sitting, that's sitting really high on our leaderboard.

You know that that that's a.

And it deserves it.

That's a fantastic.

You know, so you know that I think we've, I think we've done a couple of others as well.

Just which ones are escaping me at the moment because we're starting to get to that point now where we've done a lot of move.

Yeah, I'm like, wait, which ones?

I know which ones we haven't done.

Yeah, but the we'll be doing them.

I promise I'll bring that to the table like so.

We haven't.

Done any like Takashi me gay stuff or anything like that yet?

I mean, I did I did audition on AI think it was Tim Mills bucket list horror episode that we did a while ago.

So and I know for a fact that we've done at least one more on the show as well.

So it just escapes which one?

But anyway, so yeah, across the board there really good scores from the critics.

As always on Pot of the Damned, we throw it out to you guys at home, our listeners, to tell us your scores.

We got quite a good response to the scores.

I've picked 4 reviews to read out so just quickly.

Heather P says it was a solid 8 out of 10 for me.

I really enjoyed it.

I thought the storyline was somewhat unique for this particular story and I really enjoyed the gory parts.

The Cinema Recall podcasts give a 7 out of 10 one of these these this is would rate attire if it wasn't advertised as a horror movie.

So there's they, they, they, they're falling into that bracket.

No, I I think it's a horror movie.

I don't know what else you could classify it as, honestly.

I'm with you.

I I I I classify this as a horror movie.

Nightmares Echoes.

Sorry.

The Nightmare Echoes podcast says it was a It was great enough to make my wife regret going to see it in the theaters with me.

I told her she wanted to see Sinners, but she was sure she'd like this one.

The sound was done so well which is what got her.

I also felt sick from the sound effects and imagery combined, but I enjoyed that.

8 out of 10.

Great watch.

Nice.

And finally, Newman at the Movies for Days podcast.

Well, he's funny.

Here's I was hoping that he had written one because at the end of sinners the three Wren and and Newman and I talked about things like newer movies, things that were coming up and things that we had just recently seen.

And he brought up the ugly step sister and Wren hadn't seen it yet.

We were like, dude, watch it.

So I knew that he had an opinion and I'm dying to hear.

It just very briefly on Sinners, myself and Nico, we are going to record a special UK side, I guess you could call it, because I know obviously you did your episode of Sinners with.

With Ren.

With Ren, me and Nico.

And Ren and I were really high on it.

Both me and Nico have now seen it.

We are going to record a 2.0, so we're probably not.

It's probably going to be more of a mini sword, but we are going to record a little 2 point.

Zero.

I'm absolutely curious.

Like from Auk standpoint, because it's a very American centric the the the storylines and certain things in it.

So I'm definitely curious how this would affect you as compared to like Ren and I in America.

You know what I mean?

So I'm I'm curious like I can't wait to hear it.

So that'll be coming soon as well.

But anyways, Newman at the Movies for Days gives says artful, brutal biting subversion on a classic fairy tale.

Top notch performances from the whole cast.

Beautiful costume design and makeup gore effects that blend with masterful sound mix makes this darkly humorous twist of the knife one of my favorite new films of the year.

9 out of 10.

And that's the thing, right?

Because we, I talked about it not too long ago before we took our, our break because obviously we, we, we, we were now quite a bit past the sort of halfway market the year and people are stuck.

We're believe it or not, we're a couple of months away from getting into awards season again, it feels.

Like God, it has coming so fast.

It comes so fast, but we've but people and.

I already have some contenders.

Well, we, we know, we we need to kind of talk about, you know, start thinking about what's been the horror movie of the year, what it's been the horror movies of people's.

You actually begin.

At the end of Bring Her Back, we we were making some guesses.

You know, and I think I think Sinners is going to be at the top of quite a lot of people's lists.

I agree.

I think the ugly step sister should maybe get a nod or a mansion or be in the conversation.

So I really hope it it it, you know, shows up and and, you know, goes a little far.

You know, it deserves it.

I, I, I, it would be hard to like top a blockbuster kind of movie like Sinners, but I want to be pleasantly surprised.

Yeah, I, I think this year, not, not just like this is not a critique critique of the last few years of horror because I still think we're getting fantastic horror movies and lots of every single year.

I think this year is possibly one of the closer years where we've got right a few last.

Like last year, we knew that the substance was going to run away with it, you know?

You know what I.

Mean, I mean, it just couldn't be denied.

It was really like, what?

Unlike.

What fear had to offer?

Yeah.

And like when X, the year that X came out, we knew that X was going to run away with it, you know, midnight Mass, you know, ran away with it the year.

Midnight Mass.

I rewatched that all the time.

It's so fucking fantastic.

You know, so but this year I think for me, Sinners is probably still gonna be the front runner for a lot of people.

But I do genuinely think there's some other contenders.

I think Ugly step sister is one of them.

I think that Together will be for some people and for people who are maybe fans of slightly more sort of blockbuster.

I think Final Destination will be for a few people as well.

I I think it will be, but I really final destination is I haven't spoke on it yet, so I well, wait, we did, didn't we?

Did were were you on that episode?

I was that.

I was, I, I'm sorry, I'm on drugs.

No, I was.

And I, I do think it was the best it had to offer because I, I, I don't, I'm not a huge Final Destination fan was Tony Todd and it was so brief and it was sad for me.

And I like what he had to say for his little part that he did.

But I, I, I do think it's like one of the better ones that's come out out of the series.

I mean, it's the best one since this, it's the best one.

It's the best one since 2, isn't it so?

Yeah, I'm gonna agree with you on that.

You know, so, but yeah, but the point being that there is a number of movies I think that could be in the running.

Well, and weapons I is already.

I'm really looking forward to that.

I've I've kind of.

People are, people are already like.

Yeah.

Just chomping at the bit.

So I think weapons will, but we've also got the long walk coming out next.

We've also and.

We've got the running man.

We've not.

Yeah, I'm really excited for the.

It looks quite funny actually, but we've also we've not talked about it yet.

Well.

Edgar Wright's doing it more close to the book.

Yeah, 28 Years later as well, which I think, OK, we haven't talked about it yet.

So, you know, we haven't done our episode on 28 Years Later.

Yeah.

Yeah, if you could see my face right now, listeners, it's not pleasant.

Oh well, that might be an episode we need to do quite soon then, because I think there's going to be some contrasting opinions.

I already know kind of where you're going to go with it.

I don't know.

You don't know exactly where I'm going to go with it.

It's just going to be like, it's not pleasant.

I know where Nico is going to go with it, and I'm sorry to tell you, Candy.

I am going to be outnumbered and that's fine.

I shine in those moments.

Anyways, yes, but there, there's, there's lots this year that I think is going to be content in contention.

Yeah, and we, and like I said that there's still quite a few that are coming and the Long Walk is getting a lot of good talk and I've and, and that's a novella that I fucking love.

I mean, it's in the Bachmann book.

So we're getting 2 Bachmann books.

You know, the Long Walk is being one of my favorites of all time.

And September, all the great things happen in September because I'll be 46th now.

I'm sorry my birthday's in September but and you didn't tell me when your birthday was so I got caught off guard.

I was like fuck bro you didn't tell me I'm bad with dates.

I like to keep it quiet, you know, not, not people.

I showed up.

I was just like, happy birthday.

People don't really celebrate their 34th birthday that.

Dude, I'm going to be 46.

I celebrate like fucking crazy man.

Anyway.

I had a very I had a very quiet birthday and myself and Nico, we went to the pub and we had a couple of drinks and then I went home and had some food.

When was my birthday?

We're we're going to play, we play a lot of Cards Against Humanity and they came out with these tales version and it's like almost like Mad libs with it.

It's amazing.

So we're going to have like a game night and we get on and play like Jack box games and stuff too.

So we're going to game, drink, have cake, ice cream cake, you know, and, and go out to an expensive dinner.

But I, my big thing is the gifts that I'm getting.

I'm really happy with it already.

I've already picked them out.

But anyway, so the long walk in September, we've got the running Man that's going to be closer to the book.

And I love Edgar Wright anyway, so and and and there's going to be weapons.

I really think there's still stuff that this year is going to have the offer that is going to make it pretty far on the list.

And you know, we're, we're talking about the awards, you know, it's not just the best movie series award.

You know, we, we obviously do a lot of other awards and you know, yes, I think there's so many in content for things like like this year, you know, things like we do our best cinematography award.

I think that's going to be such a what?

That's going to be a tough.

Call tough.

That's a tough, tough one to call.

Really great looking.

You know, we do a best scorer, best soundtrack award.

I think that's going to be a really tough one to call, you know, in terms.

Of our ever famous Now I'm I'm super curious about our my favorite is always the the Horror Hall of Fame.

The Hall of Fame this year, because the Hall of Fame's like when the first couple of years of doing the Hall of Fame's always relatively tricky because you're like, who do I want to put in?

You know, if I put someone in that's maybe not like the the fan favorites, I'm going to get Chasta because the very first year.

You know me, I always bring some weird shit to that.

Well the very because obviously the very first year the listeners pick was a tie.

So we put 2IN and they tied John Carpenter and Vincent Pratt, right?

So immediately you're like right down to our absolute like pinnacles absolutely to deserve to be first draft picks.

Right Niko?

Niko picks Stephen King.

Yeah, OK, First draft pick I got, I got a lot of my crap and this is no, this is no hate on on this person because I adore her and I think she's horror royalty and deserves to be a first.

I pick Barbara Crumpton as my first draft.

Pick.

I love her so much.

I got a little bit of.

Hate funny story about her.

Sean's always had a crush on her and her and Jeffrey Combs.

And that's what they signed my big reanimated poster that I referred to like the first episode I've ever done of one of the damned.

I think it was maybe your guys's third episode of Reanimator.

And so he's always had a crush on her and she's diminutive and blonde and very, she looks exactly like his mother.

I really I really a boner for that man forever.

Can I just?

Say Oh my God, I feel filthy.

I mean, I think Barbara, I also think Barbara Crampton is more attractive now than she ever has been.

She is aging it.

Gets hotter and hotter and Jacob's wife I mean so so in nudes things I was like oh woman she.

Is incredible, you know, but like beyond that, because, you know, obviously if you look at our full list of Hall of Fame, I know we're getting really sidetracked.

We'll get to the scores in a moment, but so Barbara.

We're building up to.

That Barbara Crampton, Stephen King, John Carpenter, Vincent Price And then beyond.

We also have Sir Gordy Weaver, Christopher Lee, Wes Craven, Elvira Robert England, George Romero, Tony Todd, Jamie Lee Curtis.

And I, I actually campaigned so hard for George and then I campaigned hard for Tom Savini.

And and Boris Carlos off as well in there as well.

So that is cut our current Hall of Fame.

And there's still I think last year was possibly the biggest one.

It's always the category that we get the most, you know, interaction for the most votes by by a mile because everyone but the very first year we did the Hall of Fame, obviously this podcast was still growing.

There was 40 different people nominated from the list.

Yes.

I remember it was, it was wild.

Last year, and this is just a rough estimate because I don't actually have the exact number in front of me, but there were over 200 different people nominated for the award.

And that just showed.

And that was all the way from Boris Karloff at the very top.

And, you know, you think of these people, but people like like Ty West and Sam Neil, who were at the other end who maybe didn't get a lot of nominations, but there are people who, you know, could be in the conversation and if you go down.

I also like that we get to pick a person of our own choosing as well.

Yeah, so that's how I finally got Tom in there.

I was like, listen, I've campaigned since year one for Tom Sabini and God damn it.

You were really torn though, last year.

You had a couple of people.

You were really torn, but I.

Figured since I campaigned so hard that Tom deserved it.

Yeah, 100%.

Just for reference, my personal picks have been Barbara Crampton, Sigourney Weaver, Elvira and Tony Todd.

Those are my 4 picks that I've had over the years and I think.

And last year was my first time being an official member and doing it.

So I went with Tom Savini and anybody who knows me will will get that.

And George Romero I did campaign on before I I joined the show, so.

And Nico always has really great picks as well.

I got glasses just like George's, you know?

Right.

We got really, really sidetracked.

I'm sorry but.

I'm just so excited, like there's so much exciting things happening and coming, you know, I have to share a.

100% but anyways, so all of our listener scores, our listeners on average gave the ugly step sister 8.4 out of 10, which is a remarkably high score for the listener score, especially that that's a really difficult one.

Yeah, that's fantastic to get high.

So an 8.4 there.

And that just leaves us.

Candy, I'll let you go first.

On a scale of zero to 10, what will you rate the ugly step sister?

I recommended this movie to you.

I was like, you really got to see this movie.

So obviously I'm going to go a little high on this one.

I'm actually with Newman on this.

I gave it a nine.

I think it, and it does have it's moments where that saved it from being like higher, like the one we spoke about that just really wasn't necessary with the whole fairy tale thing, like, but I just think it's, it's, it's brilliant to put it in that setting that felt like, appropriate to the period of like when the fairy tale was written.

And then to bring in something that's so current and, and, and, and, and prevalent now with all the, you know, plastic surgeries, elective surgeries, to try and be more and more beautiful, you know, these impossible, we have impossible beauty standards.

And to make it apparent that, you know, it's not necessary to do that.

If you're doing it for the wrong reasons, if you're doing it for other people, if you're doing these things and, and making yourself miserable, you know, don't do it, then, you know, like just be happy with who you are.

But I mean, it's, it's still like it did it in a gory way, which yes, I'm the gory whore.

Love it and it it made me uncomfortable in in the best way possible because you're supposed to be.

So I really think it hit like great notes.

We had really good cinematography.

We had great sound design.

It had all of the necessary things and being able to access it on shutter, you know, so conveniently.

I really just think they knocked it out of the park like every everything was on fire except for that one scene.

So I'm gonna go with with Newman

on on the 9:00.

OK, 9 out of 10 I knew I I I had before I'd came on.

I'd like I pre typed in your score thinking that I thought you might have snuck A10 in there.

I was like.

I did consider it and and you could see where I scratched out a score like because my reanimator said I scratched out the score because I did realize okay 9.

Yeah, so I.

Was a 10.

It was a 10.

I weren't wrong.

I am fully delighted that you recommended this film to me.

And I went into it a little uncertain about what I was going to, about what I was going to get.

Obviously knew it was a retelling or a, a, a, a telling of the Cinderella story from a different perspective, but wasn't 100% certain about what I was going in for.

But I think this movie did such a fantastic job of taking really huge social issues, which are possibly one of the biggest things in society right now is this body standards and body positivity and feeling good in your own skin and, and all of these sorts of things.

And the pressure that's put on people to to perform and to act and to behave in a certain manner for other people.

And, and it does it really gracefully.

It does it really beautifully, but it also is absolutely disgusting and brutal and horrible at the exact same time.

And it's funny.

This movie is a funny movie.

And, and again, I think, I think you've mentioned it earlier that something when you're listening to or watching a movie that isn't in your native tongue, and I don't think that really matters where you're from.

If it's not in your native tongue, it's probably quite difficult, I think, for the comedy aspect of something to really come across.

And I think this movie did that really, really, really well.

Yes.

There's a scene or two where you know, you're just like, I really wish you hadn't done that.

But All in all, I think this movie does an absolutely wonderful job.

The costume design, the sound design, the cinematography, the acting, the gore, the effects I think are fantastic.

I'm with you and Newman.

It's 9 out of 10.

Yeah.

So there we go.

We're all in agreement normally.

It's so rare, it's.

It's rare.

It is rare, you know.

I'm just, I'm, I'm really glad because Newman actually, when he brought that up, I was like, fucked.

Yeah, that's cool.

I just watched that.

And then I was like, we gotta talk about this.

We have to talk about it.

And so I'm glad that you got to see it.

I'm glad that you loved it.

I'm, I'm always glad when I can pick one that that is, you know, it's for everybody.

And I want to mention one thing that I did forget that at the end we see the decomposing father because the the funeral never got paid for.

That was a pretty awesome little note there.

He.

Just left there to decompose for the rest of his existence, yeah.

He's you to throw cake.

Well, you he was a Dick.

He was an asshole to be fair.

But yeah, so, so yeah, nine out nines across the board and with our scores combined with our critics and you guys at home are listeners, The Ugly Step Sister has a really impressive average score of 8.39 out of 10.

And of the now 136 movies that we have reviewed on this podcast, The Ugly Step Sister is in 18th place.

Nice.

Oh God, that makes me so happy.

It is one place above the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Holy shit.

And one place below A Nightmare on Elm Street.

So that is some pretty fine company for the ugly step sister to be in.

It has.

And as of the day of this recording, tomorrow is what's called Texas Chainsaw Day.

Yes, it is.

And so it's in theaters, the OG, because that's August 18th.

So enjoy your celebrating your your National Texas Chainsaw Day.

Absolutely, just don't enjoy it by watching the Netflix 2020 no.

No, just just watch the original.

That's all we need to do.

With that as well, it has knocked Pearl out of the top 50.

Pearl drops down to 50.

1st.

Place and it's knocked Halloween 2 out of the top 100.

That deserves it.

I mean, come on, you're a Halloween fan.

But Halloween, too, is just not it.

It's not it I I Nico's really high on Halloween too as well.

And we know what my favorite is.

We do know, but it's bizarre because Halloween's just not.

I don't think it's really his franchise because I think he's more of a Jason.

He's more of a Jason and a Freddie fan.

And when we when we reviewed Halloween 2, obviously he was really high on Halloween.

Everyone loves Halloween.

Halloween is what the quintessential slasher.

Yeah, I fucking love the original Halloween it is.

It is cinema.

But for me, the drop between Halloween and Halloween 2 is quite significant.

Now, I still think Halloween 2 is better than a lot of the sequels that, yes, the Halloween franchise, you know, proceeded to bring us.

But Nico was really high on Halloween too, and I was so surprised by that.

I really didn't.

Think he was funny is undead by daylight.

I have Michael in his Halloween too thing with the the gown because it's funny.

But yeah, otherwise a fact that movie I I'm I'm just like, let's just skip to three.

Yeah, well, we all know everyone's feelings about Halloween today, don't we?

We certainly know mine.

Certainly no mind.

Give me Halloween ends any day of the week.

Oh God, you are a masochist.

Right, with that being said, guys, that is going to do it for this week's show.

We've gone two hours and our episodes but.

You know, it feel, it feels good.

I I'm just so happy to be like that.

We have we have a lot to say.

We have a lot to say today and we.

Had a lot of catching up to do and it's been a it's been a delight every second.

We had a catching up to do and we had a lot to get our teeth into with this movie.

This was not.

Sometimes there's so if.

You haven't seen it and and you listen to this anyway.

I haven't it's you still need to watch it.

We have not even done it justice.

You know, we, there's been episodes before where, you know, we're maybe just approaching the hour mark and I'm kind of like, damn, I think I've kind of talked about everything I want to talk about.

Joyride.

Joyride was definitely one of.

Them talking more about porn?

Yeah, yeah, we did.

I feel like there's feel like maybe that's, that's the barometer.

Any movie where we get sidetracked by talking about porn parodies is I, I, I'm.

For those who don't know, every Monday I run a pub quiz and I was this week.

I was going to do the category of is it a real or a fake porn title?

Oh God, that would have been epic.

And I've decided to not do it this week because the, our, our students are back soon in the city to start their studies.

So I might save it for the students.

I feel like I'd get more appreciation.

It's always really funny because so last week I did a real or fake bands name tile.

And I, I, I trolled the Internet to find the most offensive bad names I could.

And, but obviously I have to put them up on TV screens for, for people to see.

So I would put up this band's name and ask people, is this real or fake?

And there would be people walking into the pub and just blazed across like 1670 inch TV screens are the words aborted Hitler cock and then changed it syphilitic vaginas, you know, like And so there's that.

Sounds like so much fun.

I love pub quiz.

I I'm actually one of my few like amazing skills is trivia.

I I can see that.

I can see you being really handy on a popcorn team.

They remember when we did the thing with Tim.

That's right.

Yeah, over.

Trivia like I did.

I mean you, you fucking killed it.

But I, I.

Won.

I won that, didn't I?

But you know what?

I really think we should do 1.

I do think we should do 1.

And it was, it was an idea of mine that when we're doing our celebration, I've not approached Newman yet about it, but I was going to see if Newman would record a segment on on our special bonus episode where it's me, you and Nico pitted against each other for trivia.

And that would be that would.

Be so awesome.

And that would be hosted by Newman.

All questions created by Newman.

Oh my.

God, what would be really fun would because tis Nico bless him for he is very knowledgeable about horror movies.

He sucks so badly when it comes to doing trivia.

But if people remember the very, very early days of this podcast, I used to do a trivia challenge every single week.

You.

Fucking like because I, I remember at first because like I think it was the 1st guest on Pont of the Tail and we did reanimate her and you threw some questions at me and I was like, I, I those were intensely good.

So the point I made a reference permanently to it in my home when I met Jeffrey Combs.

I said, can you make a little post it note that says Cat does details later.

And he fucking thought it was the greatest thing ever.

And I was like, that's from my friend Ian.

He really got me with that one.

It is immortalized.

I think, I think that's that that we should, we should probably bring that back, right?

Yes, we should.

I think so I just and if for nothing else, to piss Nico off every single.

Week because that's the one thing I can beat him at.

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Everything else but I can beat him at.

That and, and, and, and I remember, I remember there was a period where like we did it on some episodes and we didn't do it.

And every single time I'd be like Nico, guess what?

And you'd be like, what?

And I'd be like time for a trivia challenge and all you would hear is him just go so I know how much he loves the trivia challenge.

But anyways, well.

Nice little taste of all kinds of things for you listeners.

100% I'm not going to tell you what, I'm not going to tell you what episodes coming out next because we have so much to record at the moment, but and there will be an episode bring her back that Candy recorded with both Newman and Ren that will be dropping very, very soon.

And it's, it's so amazing.

It's it's a really great episode.

It's a it's a chill episode but it was like 2 people I it wanted so badly to get together and it's worth it.

It was amazing.

It's better than I even thought.

So 100% I think people would really enjoy it.

Beautiful.

We're also gonna be doing other new releases of things like Together 28 Years Later and some other stuff as well.

Myself and Nico will be doing our sort of minisode on Sinners.

We have more top five episodes coming for you guys.

Our 150th episode special, The Day of the Dead Trilogy, will be coming up in the next.

Not too distant.

Future This is what I was born for.

I'm going to bring it.

And just having a quick look at what was originally on our schedule as well.

We have a huge amount of other movies, Sleepaway, Camp 2, Heathers, Wolf Creek.

Speaking of TCM, Next Generation was one of Nico's picks.

Hal Raiser 2 is on there people.

I'm ready.

People under the stairs, Toxic Avenger 13 Ghosts, these are all things that are on our To Do List coming up in the next few months as well.

And hopefully it's the right 13 ghosts.

Not the William Castle one, but the one with Matthew Lillard.

I'm in love with Matthew Lillard.

It's it's the Matthew Lillard version.

Yes, you know, on dead by daylight, the the recent villain was spring trap from and so I I paid extra to get the Matthew Lillard version and he does all the voice lines and stuff and Oh my God, it's so.

And isn't Speaking of movies still to come out?

Is is the NAF 2 movie knocked out later this year?

Surely that's gonna, Yeah.

I just saw the poster for it when I I 'cause I was at the Alamo Drafthouse watching Takashi Mige's 13 Assassins yesterday and it and it's coming out.

Not only that, but Matthew Lillard's back in it and Skeet Ulrich is in it too.

For as much as I adore Matthew Lillard, I could not be less excited about F NAFTA because for as much as I adore.

Matthew Lillard for the first one.

One my kids played Five Nights at Freddy's all the time, but I went in for Matthew Lillard.

Yeah, for as much as I don't.

Do anything to watch his movie.

I love Matthew Lillard and I love Matthew Lillard in the movie.

He's a delightful person.

But that movie sucks.

Oh, it sucks, absolutely.

I'm not gonna lie.

It sucks, but I'm gonna watch the second one.

It's like when you talk about the Pooniverse, like, you know it's not good, but you're gonna watch it, right?

I think, I think Blood and Honey three's out this year as well.

And because we haven't mentioned it yet, filming for Terrifier Four starts later this month.

Yes, I'm very excited.

So just because you know, I was.

Just getting ready to watch Terrifier 3.

Tonight I rewatched it.

I think.

Last I think.

Because I, I haven't seen it since it was in theaters And I, I've had my copy.

It's, it's unopened.

So I'm like, I'm gonna pop that fucker in.

I've I've seen I've seen it a few times and I remember when I like because I first got onto the original Terrifier movie quite late in the day.

I came to quite a bit after it originally been.

Released.

I saw the second one first.

The second one, it wasn't released.

I never saw it in the theater, I don't think because it didn't get huge UK theater release, but it got.

Yeah, see, I saw at the drive in and then I went home and watched the first terror fire and then when 3 came out at me and my son and my husband, we all were like day one.

That place was packed.

Yeah, because they didn't get a big, obviously the big story.

Well, 2 was the big breakthrough, wasn't it?

It got the theatre of this in America.

And then it was the little train that could and it just kept going and going and going and going and kept getting extended.

And it was incredible.

And it's it's had such a huge impact for indie horror movies moving forward.

Yeah, I have the 4K Blu-ray of Terrifier 2 and then Damian Leone signed it for me.

And then Terrifier 3 I saw obviously in the cinema because it got a much bigger cinema release here.

Yeah, because of the huge success anywhere you go, you go to a Spencer's Gifts, you go to a Hot Topic, you go anywhere or online at Friarags.

I mean, they it's all terrifying.

Well, that's the thing.

And because like once Terrifier 2 attack, here we go.

We've ended up in a full Terrifier fucking discussion now.

But once Terrifier 2 attack, we know, obviously we had these discussions we were talking about.

It is Art the Clown.

The next horror icon has Art the Clown sort of transcended that.

I think he's become one of the iconic.

That's what I say Has he transcended that sort of social excite Geist levels that like.

Yeah, because we haven't had a good slasher join up for.

Long like Freddie did like Jason did like Michael.

Because I would think before that the only one that was big enough to was like Ghostface.

And Ghostface is always like other people.

But the Ghostface was is a favorite slasher.

But since Ghostface, there was nothing.

Yeah.

And now we've got art and I'm like.

Yeah, genuinely think, you know when we always talk about the big three and I know he's only had three.

Well, technically 4 of you include includes All Hallows eat, you've All Hallows eat.

Yeah.

And that and that when?

Yeah.

David Howard Thornton, he really shines.

Yeah, that's that's Mike Jian Alli is Art the clown in that movie.

And Mike Jian Alli does a really good job as well.

Yeah, he does a.

Good job.

And he's no David Howard.

Thornton no.

And David Howard Horton is always, is always very explicit in his praise for Mike Jiannelli as well, which I think is is is a really nice touch.

Yes.

But is.

This a good person.

I just genuinely believe that Art the Clown is now in that conversation Where So when we always talk about the greatest slasher villains and the greatest horror villains and you always talk about the big three, Jason, Freddie, Michael.

And Leatherface.

Leatherface makes it.

I think.

I think Leatherface is always just like in that second tier, but we're talking about, but when I'm but when I'm talking second tier, you're talking, you know, you're talking Leatherface, you're talking Chucky, you're talking condom, you're talking, you know, pin head.

These are the fucking pinnacle.

These are pinnacles of horror as well.

I think.

I think it's the big four now.

I think Art the Clown has transcended it enough that it's.

Yeah, he's up there with with the main ones that everybody like you said, Michael, Jason and Freddie, he's Art the Clown is there and to make it like that in modern times, I really just thought we were never going to get.

Over the span of 3 movies.

As well.

Exactly.

I mean it it's just like iconic.

It's, it's that it's got that 80s vibe of like, we're getting these movies consistently and they're all great and they're all gory and it's just, and, and he's everywhere and it's talked about and, and the likes we haven't ever seen since Jason and Freddie and Michael, you know?

Do you It's.

A great It's a great time to be alive.

And then obviously, I think for is set to be, I say set to be the last one.

It's going to be the last one that Damian Leone is going to have.

Yeah, I don't think it's going to end because it's too big.

I think, I think he obviously will own the intellectual property.

But I think he would just farm it out to other people.

I believe so, I think.

I think he'll keep a hold of it for a while, I think.

They did with Freddie, with Jason, with Michael I.

Think it'll be the last terrifying movie we get for some time.

I think there will be some time, but I think eventually we will.

Obviously it'll end up like all the other big franchises and they'll probably be.

We're going to be like, you know, Terrifier 10, art and space.

Yeah, exactly.

It's going to happen.

Right.

On that note guys, Thank you very.

I miss talking to you.

Thank you very, very much, everyone for tuning into this episode.

Big thank you if you're still listening.

Yeah, but yeah, thank you very much to everyone who's tuned in.

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