Hi everyone and welcome back to the Pod of the Damned.

I'm your host Ian and joining me this week, we have finally got a full compliment on Pod of the Damned.

Well, welcome him back first because Nico, it's been a while.

How are you?

Well.

It's not been that long.

It's been about three months.

Yeah, it was.

Barely summer.

Yeah, it was a summer.

Yeah, I've been busy.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, I know, but we've like for the past like 5 episodes been like and Nico will be back next week on part of the diets and then oh, Nico will be back next week.

And then in the last episode that me and Candy did, which was on Conjuring last Rites, go check it out.

The episode, not the movie.

Because it's a pile of shit.

There's a not applicable for me for a reason.

I'm not going to see any of that shit and ever again.

You know, I think, you know, because we've we've reviewed about, I think it's about 139 movies or something like that.

I can't remember.

And I think when we review a movie and it doesn't break into the top 100, that kind of says a lot about, you know, kind of says a lot about the movie.

But yes, Nico, you're finally back on Pod of the Damned.

I'm sure some of our listeners have missed you.

I can't talk for all of them.

Probably.

But since Last Rites was the last one that you did, I'll give my not see in the movie.

I'll give my one.

There's a couple of jump scares and it's gosh, is that OK for you?

No.

Because there's no jump, really.

There's not really really.

There was nothing scary in that movie.

No like.

That for the runtime.

They broke the formula of oh, there's going to be somebody standing in front of a mirror.

Oh, they're behind them.

Nico the big Nico.

Nico the main villain in this movie.

It is a mirror.

Oh fuck off.

Which?

Makes me think again of Amityville 4.

It's a lamp.

Lamp is better.

Well, I can understand that for a start for who's doing the movie, but anyways.

Anyways, also joining us this week, once again, it's Candy.

How are you?

Good, I'm here to be the wettest of blankets.

Yeah, I feel like you're.

Going to prepare God you said that if you're.

Excited for movies I hate?

You're in for a treat.

Yeah, I was just saying before we came, before we hit record button, because this is the first time we've all been together recording an episode for quite a few months.

This might end up being one of our most chaotic episodes of all time.

Nico, I think I told you about it, but I actually went back and listened to our It's a Wonderful Life episode.

Just.

To know just to that because we were out.

Yeah, just to remind myself about just how pissed off you actually made me in that episode.

And honestly, you can actually hear me throwing things around my room during that episode.

Like every so often there's a bang and it's me throwing a pen like off the wall.

You not know how you managed to get all the way through.

Honestly, and I can physically hear the points in the episode as well where I'm like, I'm going to hit stop record right now.

So do you still like the Gaslighting movie?

Anyways, we'll move on.

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Hi, I'm Candy the final girl.

You can find me at Candy the Final girl on Instagram, Threads, Blue Sky.

I'm trying to remember more.

I'm mostly on Instagram and Threads, which also posts to Facebook, so it's all there.

Just go to Instagram, Candy the final girl.

That's usually where you find me.

Awesome.

Nico, come on.

Come on.

You've been practicing, surely?

So you'll normally find me in either triple curve.

Stop dots.

If you want to find me, come Aberdeen, say hello.

Baggers, is that true?

OK, so I was reading about something and Scotland came in and they were talking about that you guys have a lot of golf courses and a lot of sheep farms and they're like people refer to people from Aberdeen's as sheep shaggers.

And I've been meaning to ask you both.

I was waiting till this moment when you were both on.

So, so in the Aberdeen, like so of an Aberdeen fan, which is the football team here.

And yeah, and they, they quite often in the stadium used to say we're just a sheep shagging bastards, sheep shagging bastards.

We're a bunch of sheep shagging bastards.

So yeah.

Well, I was thinking like I golf not in.

Later, the shark sheep.

I had to.

I had to learn.

So like you shag the ball in golf.

But I thought it was funny they called you guys sheep shaggers so.

I just said to you, shag sheep, but you better have to learn.

Yeah, why not they?

They they, you know, that's why we're, that's why it's because we're I'm.

Trying to find the entertainment value that's.

Why we're so close to the Co.

Entering myself.

It's good we're so close to the coast because they push back better.

Oh, that's a bill.

And I call the joke.

And you, you've got to have your welly beat up for that.

You put them back.

I don't.

It's weird that I found out the sheep shagger thing and no I don't shag sheep, but no.

But you're willing to learn.

Right circumstance honestly, but I just don't know why you guys didn't give me that information.

I found it in the world.

I'm like, did they not want me to know their sheep shaggers or late I?

Mean.

We're not.

We're not really.

What did it mean?

Like you really shag sheep, but that you're called that like, so I could like throw that out there.

So it's weird because like, well, sure called sheep shaggers if you just take the nations, but if you just go for a city, it's Aberdeen.

It's weird.

I really didn't have this on my bank card for tonight.

I'm always talking about the.

Movie is is what I'm doing.

Oh, so you're just, you're just delaying.

You're just delaying the inevitable, really.

You're just making it longer and prolonged for you.

Much like the sheep, real time.

I'm coping in real time, OK?

I will.

I will stop with the sheep unless it has.

I'm not gonna lie.

So you learn the sheep chugging, though you're stopping with it.

Did you not enjoy it?

The ancient Ark.

So there's nothing ancient about it.

Welly Boots Cliff have a wheel of a type.

Oh dear, right, let's move on.

This is episode #152 and in today's show, we're talking all about Halloween 20.

I was this issue talking about no.

So it's officially spooky season.

And yeah, we've all picked one movie to do over the course of October and it is specifically Halloween related.

Not Halloween the franchise, just the the spooky season related.

Although I've picked obviously the franchise, which is probably to be expected, and we're going to review it over the course of this month and obviously we're going to try and drop in another couple of episodes this week.

So this week it's my pick.

We're doing Halloween 2018 and we'll get into it very, very shortly.

Last piece of business for me.

Nominations once again are open for this year's end of year Horror awards.

A couple of the threads have already gone up across our social media platforms asking for your guys's opinions.

We're doing a multitude of categories once again this year, including best movie, slash series, lead performer, supporting former director, score, cinematography, Hall of Fame and all that.

So get vote and get nominating because we want to try and get as many nominations as possible.

So go on to any of our social media platforms.

You'll find the threads there.

Guys, I've picked my horror Hall of Fame inductee for this year.

If how, how, how are you guys coming along?

I still have a list that I'm working from.

It's gotten narrower, but if you know me, that doesn't mean much.

It's narrowed from about 400 to 380.

Yeah, yeah, something.

Like that and you know how well prepared I am.

Yeah, Nicole, Nicole, you'll probably pick yours on the day.

Yeah, probably, yeah.

That day.

Well, mines is picked.

I've already picked mines, so it'll be interesting to see like a user try to figure.

I could see, I could see us trying to figure it out.

No pensioner.

Oh no, dude.

Anyways, right.

Shall we talk about today's movie?

Please, for the love of fucking God, nothing.

Right?

Today we're talking all about Halloween.

We're on.

We're here to investigate a patient that killed 3 innocent teenagers on a Halloween in 1978.

He was shot by his own psychiatrist and taken into custody that night and spent the last 40 years in captivity.

Hello Michael, I have something you might like to see.

Everyone in my family, like, turns into in that case this time of year.

Yeah.

I mean, your grandmother is Lori Strode.

She was almost murdered.

Wasn't it her brother who murdered all those babysitters?

No, it was not her brother.

That's something that people made-up.

Do you know that?

I pray every night that he would escape.

The hell did you do that for him?

So I can kill him.

Dad, look out, the bus crashed.

Mom, what bus crashed?

Michael escaped.

Excuse me, Somebody's in here.

Hello.

He's waited for this night.

He's waited for me.

I've waited.

For him get.

Out so long, get inside.

You don't believe in the boogeyman.

He's here, Michael.

You should can't.

This movie was released in 2018, was directed by Candy's all time favorite director David Gordon Green and stars Jamie Lee Curtis, Judy Greer and Andy Matachak and the IMDb plot is as follows.

Laurie Strode confronts her longtime foe Michael Myers, the masked figure who has haunted her since she narrowly escaped his killing spree on Halloween night 4 decades ago.

So Halloween 2018, this is this was the bringing the Halloween franchise into the 21st century.

The last Halloween movie that we'd had before this one was the Rob Zombies Halloween and Halloween 2 and this Halloween, which obviously spawned a trilogy again, Candy's favorite trilogy of all time and.

I got something to say about that.

But this, it means that we now have 5 separate Halloween timelines and I don't think there's another franchise that's really quite done anything like that.

I mean, we've obviously got this whole sort of thing about requels and, you know, this whole sort of modernization of sort of forgetting certain movies within franchise.

Reconing it, basically.

Yeah.

No, no franchise I think has quite done it like.

Legacy sequels.

I have a lot.

Of well, apart from Marvel, but that doesn't really count.

Yeah, horror franchise has really done it.

Screams not well, screams obviously.

Like they, they're very mad about it, aren't they?

So, but yeah, so you have 5 different timelines which you know, you have Halloween, Halloween 245 and six is 1 timeline.

Halloween 3, which is its own separate thing.

Candy, you're wrapping Halloween 3.

I'm sure we'll have a little Halloween 3 chat for you.

Oh yeah, you've got Halloween.

We'll have to.

Yes, Halloween, Halloween 2H2H20 and Resurrection.

You've got the Rob Zombie ones.

Yeah, and you've got this Halloween 2018 Kills and Ants, which is the one we're kind of focusing on today.

I mean, most of those sequels probably kind of deserve to be forgotten, right?

Surprise, motherfucker.

I mean, I mean, Nico, we, we reviewed Resurrection, which you know, at which probably if you're taking away the Rob Zombie ones, because again, we'll probably have a very brief chat about those ones as well.

Resurrection is fucking horrendous, isn't it?

It is so bad.

So 2018 is kind of it's kind of liked, I would say I know candy you've your thoughts about it, but if you go to like the wider.

Talk I I tend to be the outlier, it's true.

Well, I mean, let's talk about this whole sort of trilogy anyway.

Let's get it out of the way because you obviously are not a fan.

You're not a fan of David Gordon Green.

You don't like this trilogy.

But they're sure like there, there is a general exception that you know and in particular is not what.

The worst of it's like you got 3 turds and each one's worse.

What do you think it's the worst?

Do you think it's the worst Halloween movie?

Bear in mind.

Or ends.

Ends and bear in mind, you know, you've got 6.

You've got resurrection.

Yeah.

I mean, I would put it with those.

I wouldn't raise any of those lower or higher.

I would put it with those.

You you'd put it with those?

Yeah.

Not through I.

Don't think.

I don't think.

Three.

I don't think 3 is in there, Nico.

Yeah.

Three, it's amazing.

3 is the best Halloween movie.

But no, with the trilogy like and my old show I recorded about Halloween 2018, my score was meh and then kills came out and I was like, God, I've got to go lower than meh because this wasn't good.

It was like a Jason movie, almost like if we're thinking Jason era Jason Takes Manhattan Part 8, it was like it was a Jason movie.

And yet it sucks so much worse than a Jason movie.

And then, and I literally wanted to drive away.

I saw the drive in because it closes down like right after Halloween and I wanted to just leave the drive in.

Actually, I didn't even stay around for the second feature.

And if you think about when that came out, the second feature was Terrifier too.

I just had to go home.

If that says it.

So no, 2018 is not good, but yes, it's sequels are even worse.

I mean I.

See, I like this.

One there we go for fucking back so.

I I they're like.

Well, 2018 was good.

I'm like, no it wasn't.

I saw them as they came out and it wasn't good.

It's like you're retconning everything but the OG film, which you reference consistently, which would be fine, but it's like we're just gonna take out all those movies and you're just gonna go back to the first one.

Could work, honestly, could have worked.

But like the concepts that were cool about it, they shit the bed with and put all this other stupid shit in there.

It's just not good.

It's not good.

So you go from not good to making two more movies that are worse somehow.

It's bad all around.

And see, they realize how bad they fucked up when David Gordon Green did the The Exorcist legacy sequel.

And then they're like, we're going to give that to Mike Flanagan.

I'm like, OK, thank you.

Because I think they've had enough of him making legacy sequels that fucking suck.

So I'm going to disagree with you ever so slightly here, and not about the not about the Exorcist part of that, because that movies fucking.

That's true.

I'm also not going to disagree with you about the diminishing returns of this trilogy, because I think it is generally pretty accepted that of the three movies, 2018 is the best one, then Kills is next, and then Ends is the worst out of the three and, you know, Ends.

There's a multitude of reasons why Ends is the worst out of the three from, you know, simple be telling a story that no one wanted it to tell essentially is probably the biggest thing you can say.

Like no one really wanted this story.

Everyone wanted a conclusion to the story that was told in 2018 and Kills.

For better or for worse.

Whether you liked Kills or didn't like Kills, or you're a fan of the franchise, you're going to the third movie to see the conclusion of these first two movies and we just didn't get that really.

We got what, 5 minutes of it at the very end of the movie when Lori and Michael finally come back together once again.

But the entire rest of the movie is just not what anyone was expecting or wanting, so it just rubbed everyone up the wrong way.

2018, however, and I really like the fact that they just completely wipe the slate clean with the franchise in terms of right to and beyond.

We're just going to pretend that none of that even fucking happened.

And they do reference it at one point because one of them says to, one of them says to.

I've forgotten like the main character's name now, Allison.

Allison, that's the one.

I just watched it right before we started recording.

One of them says to Allison, Wasn't Michael your grandmother's brother?

So they then, you know, so they're referencing all this fucking bizarre 1.

And so they're just completely saying, no, we're not going to do any of that.

No, that's just a rumour.

No, this, this, this.

And I like that because the bad, like the original Halloween is and probably will always be the best Halloween movie.

I don't think you're ever going to get a movie that's going to be so good or recreate what they managed to achieve in that first movie.

But it's so good because of its simplicity.

It's so it's very simple.

You know, there's not a lot of gore.

There's not a huge amount of plot.

There's not, you know, it's just very much this guy who we know nothing about is chasing these girls around town and he's killing them in various brutal ways.

And so they kind of tried to, I think, strip things back a little bit.

And I think that very much works as benefit.

And honestly, I think this is like the second best Halloween movie there is.

So my turn, I sort of agree with you on a lot of that, but the only problem with me is I've always seen one and two as one movie, which, you know, I've went on about why?

It's just the way I've always watched it.

It's always going to be 1 movie format.

So that being said, that is like one movie format and then this would probably be the next best one.

Yeah, because I was looking forward to the next two MVS when I went to see this.

I loved the whole end and shit.

I loved everything about this one.

It it got me back to feeling like when I was a kid, when I was watching the 1st and the second one.

That's what I liked about this.

The problem with the sequels after it is it went shit and then shit and that's why I hate that trilogy.

But this stand alone.

If they'd left him a bird to death in that truck then fucking it would be a brilliant movie.

Do you think candy you'd have felt differently had they not gone on to make Kills and Ends and this was just a stand alone Halloween movie?

Well, like I said, I reviewed it when these sequels weren't out and it was very meh.

You know, I, I, it didn't move me.

It didn't do anything for me.

I have a lot of respect for the original Halloween.

It's not like my favorite, but it's important and it is a great movie, you know, and it just really made the slasher genre what it is.

And so it's important, you know, it's a direct response to Italian and Java films.

And just now we have this, the slasher boom is born from this film.

So yeah, I love it.

I respect it but it's just not my thing I guess.

I mean, is it?

You you saying this was like a bit like a Jason movie?

I think that was to its benefit.

For me.

Kills cause Michael's.

Michael's just fucking.

He's fucking brute.

Like he just goes on a rabbit.

He's straight up Jason, and Jason takes Manhattan in that one.

Like, remember the gun scene there we talked about in Kills?

Oh, yeah, I'm gonna shoot him.

And he kicks the door and it shoots her.

It's so fast.

That's Jason.

But this one, it was more like I could see like great ideas in 2018 happening and I could see the references to the original movie.

It just lost the plot somewhere in the middle for me.

Yeah, it it lost the plot of the second movie.

Like I generally love this one.

I like the whole bit where she looks like she's a way to take on a fucking Terminator, which is proximity, the shooting range and all that stuff.

All these little details just I like.

Yeah, I mean, like, well, let's take it like you're so you're talking about Laurie Strode there because obviously, you know, Jimmy Lee Curtis returns to the franchise once again.

This is, you know, I think what what is this the 5th Halloween movie she was in?

I think she's now obviously gone on to be in seven.

She's in Halloween age, Halloween 2, you know, H20 Resurrection.

She's technically got a voice credit in Halloween 3.

And, you know, she's obviously here, it ends.

But I think this is like, this is like a lot of stroke that we've never really seen before because, you know, obviously in age 20, she is playing a mother.

She's playing an older character, but she's not as ruthless.

She's not as sort of, she's a bit, I would say softer, I would say in that movie, yeah.

I'd be like, in this, she's broken and I like that.

Yeah.

And I feel like, you know when like a couple of other sort of, I mean, I want to, I want to talk about sort of legacy sequels in a little bit because again, if you go to some of the other big franchises and look at their legacy sequels, I think 2018 Halloween is probably one of the best out with a lot of them.

That's maybe not a high bar, but again, I do.

Do you think that's maybe setting that precedent as well?

Because I'm thinking in particular of things like Texas Chainsaw Massacre legacy.

Yeah, the Netflix Chainsaw Massacre.

Oh, that was awful that way.

Hard to see to take her out like a bitch.

Yeah, and I feel like they really tried to like Lori strode her in that movie as well, but I also kind of feel like they've done.

It that was terrible, yeah.

And I like, I mean, I want to talk about like what I did like about this film is that what they did with Lori's character?

I've written about it like many, many moons ago, like decades ago, about like what happens to final girls, Like they grow up, they have post traumatic stress disorder, which she's clearly suffering from, you know, anxiety disorder, stuff like that.

And I really liked how that was shown.

It's it's never, it was not a new concept to me as I have been writing about it, but for years.

But it's like at at the time, it was a a big concept for like mainstream horror.

And so many have tried to reproduce the success of this film by doing it.

But yeah, this film does it the most successfully.

I will say that that's something that I liked there.

I said a nice.

Oh my God, right that that this movie's got at least 1.1 point.

There there was a bit that I really liked Dennis.

And it's pretty much at the end where like student Greer's character calls getting caught.

It's a cotton.

The daughter.

Yeah.

So when the daughter is like, oh, mom, help me, help me.

They should shoot some of the fucking face.

Now.

I fucking love that because all the way through I'm like, why is the daughter such a fucking bitch?

You know?

I mean, I was thinking like, if you've got a parent like that, you, you literally got taught as a kid how to fucking set booby traps, how to defend yourself, right?

You should hear butterballs about you.

You get what I mean?

And it's not until then she shows them.

I really love that.

I really love that moment though, where she's like, you know, she's down in the basement and she they're hiding and she's crying and she's crying and then Michael shows up and she just flicks and she's like, there you.

Are.

Yeah, instantaneous.

I think that I think that moment is sick as fuck.

I love that that is that is probably my most favorite moment in the movie because it's the way she's like.

What is it saying again?

I can't do it.

Mama can't do it.

Help that like instantaneous, he shows up and he's shot in the face.

I, I just loved it.

I really love it when Nico tries to do impersonations of American women.

Why?

Because it's terrible.

I'm gonna back not.

Meant to be good, Terrible.

But it's funny.

But yeah, I think.

It's not your person, I'll take the piss.

I think I think that's a really cool moment and and you know, again, I think I think this movie does really well is it does sort of kind of pay homage, doesn't it, to like our strong final girl like characters, because you have three of them in this movie.

And again, I think that's one of the issues with the movies moving forward as well, because in Halloween, in kills, you know, Lori Strode is a much lesser character in that movie.

And then an end she's pretty much non existent until pretty much the end of the movie.

Alison, as the franchise goes on, becomes lesser and lesser of an important character, you know, and I think that's possibly to the to the franchise's detriment.

And in terms of this trilogy as well, because I think that's one of the big positives of this movie is you have these really strong characters and then, you know, you've got the father who's, he's kind of weak in this movie.

This, this is probably one of the things I, I'm not too sure I really like about this movie.

They they they're they try to sort of and maybe this is more like the Danny McBride effect is that they try to shove in out quite a bit comedy in this movie and I don't it.

Doesn't always land.

I don't think it really lands, and I don't think you need to have it in a Halloween movie, whereas in an Elm Street movie or even in a Jason movie, Yeah, yeah.

Put a bit of comedy in there, put a bit of a deep.

I don't think Halloween's the really, really the franchise for that.

And I can't really think of any other part.

I don't think I can think of any other part where of the franchise where you really do have, you know, proper moments of comedy, intentional comedy.

Obviously, like we look back at some of those sequels and we think that is absolutely laughable.

But it's laughable because of how bad it is.

You know, you think back to like Michael Myers mask in five and six and it's fucking horrific and you think.

Back to.

You know, resurrection and you know, was trick or treat mother fucker and Roundhouse kicking Michael Myers out with a top floor window and things like that.

But I still think, I still think resurrection is trying to be serious in those moments.

Like we got to get some 1 liners in there.

I just feel like they're it's, it's so formulaic.

It's like step up one liner do this, you know, And I don't like if if a film feels like cute, formulaic.

The only bits, the only the only comedy moments in this movie I really liked was the kid that was being babysat.

I thought he was.

Really funny I I laughed at the bit that Mace folk complain about is the kid that shoots a boy and it gets killed.

I was laughing the tips off of that like and and it was like folk or look at it because I was laughing.

I was like the only laughing at the cinema and I was I was like, that was quite funny.

I just love the moment where the kids like, send fucking Dave up there.

Don't you go up there, Send.

Fucking Dave.

I know it's.

Like, you know, whereas, you know, if that was me, I'd be like, fucking send Nico.

He's.

I would have been like bye.

I've been getting the gun get to fucking right.

I'll see you in a 5 minutes if I'm Nico but deserve it.

Fucking there we go.

Right.

I do kind of want to talk about other legacy sequels as well because you know, again, this is reboots, remakes, legacy sequels, things like that.

If you look at all of our sort of big franchises is is, I mean, Nightmare on Elm Street 2010.

That was the one at the top of my mind.

That was and.

You know, I've, I've talked to a lot of people because I don't care for it and they're just like, there are a few people that I've run into that actually do like it.

And it seems like the tide's turning against that film.

But at first everybody was like, I didn't like it.

I didn't like it either.

But when they, when people talk about it now where like I said, it's coming back around, they're like, well, they made a bigger deal about what a child predator was.

I'm like, did you pay attention to any of the other movies?

They're like, well, he just said he's a child murder.

I'm like, yeah, it's implied.

Can you read implications?

Like, why did he kill them?

There was a reason it wasn't just a murderer.

Like, it's there the whole time.

It's just that 2010 has to hold your hand and walk you through it.

Like, yeah, clearly it was a predator.

So yeah, you said not like folk at work that I've talked to and folk that I know they've they love the new fucking Freddie.

And I'm like.

Oh.

God, and it's because they've seen it as a kid, so they they've.

Seen it that long, hasn't it?

It's been 20.

Ten.

Yeah, it's been 15 years.

Yeah, I mean.

And it's still like the new nightmare.

You know what?

I I didn't dislike Jackie Earl Haley in particular, however he was.

Originally going to have the role, yeah.

He was massive Robert England.

He was massively let down by a horrendous script, terrible CGI.

The CGI in that movie is.

Yeah, Freddy.

What I didn't like was how they did his face.

It was just so heavily badly CGI and.

So you know, a very, very bad attempt to sort.

Of get some pepperoni on there would be fine, you know.

I mean just like get a pizza slum in his face.

But you know, like and candy, you know, you'll you'll attest to this as in particular the last two entries now into the Freddie franchise is Freddie versus Jason and 2010.

So, you know, you know that that's a really bad way to sort of be leaving that franchise.

For why they do my boy like that, you know?

One of them's good.

I that was my favorite, my favorite slasher.

I did not hear what you said.

Would you say I?

Said one of them's pretty good.

One of those two movies are pretty good.

No, I just want to make sure I heard you clearly.

Cadi, cadi, you've got to pick one of them.

I'm not.

Going to do this.

You've got to pick one of them.

Which one's better?

No.

No, no, I'm going to move us.

All OK, I'll do the other way.

Which one's worse?

Which one's worse?

Because they're both bad.

Yeah, because that would imply that one is better.

Anyways, I'm going to move us on to a different topic quickly.

We mentioned it The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Can we go back to the movie then?

The Texas, we were talking about legacy sequels, so you got you got Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Netflix Chainsaw Massacre.

Which was fucking horrific.

I'm a big fan of TCM and and they have had some really bad sequels to Texas Chainsaw Massacre and to have that budget and to fucking shit the bed like they did, like they had so much available resources and they did it so bad to be the worst Texas Chainsaw movie.

You really have to try I think.

You have to be, you have to beat the Mon.

You have to be all right, all right, all right.

But like, but I'm just sort of trying to start a circular point because personally I think the two screen legacy sequels are also fucking horrific.

I'm really not a fan of them I think.

They're they are.

They're really bad and you also throw in there, you've got the Friday the 13th, the latest movie from that.

I actually don't think that's a terrible movie.

It's just not a great movie.

It's not good.

You've got Hellraiser, which again, not the best.

Child's play, Nico.

Your your your favorite.

Oh Jesus, what?

I'm sorry, that is the worst.

That is genuinely the worst out the lot.

I.

Can watch it.

Thank you.

How?

Thank you.

Because if I had to pick between that and like Freddie versus Jason, I'm going to go Chucky every fucking time.

No, no, no, no.

And my one of my.

Most 2000 it would be the 2000.

Master into it.

I will absolutely choose Chucky.

But it would be the new Chucky or the new fucking Freddie.

Which would you pick?

It would.

It wouldn't be Freddie versus Jason, because that's a sequel.

OK, I would probably go Nightmare on Elm.

Street exactly.

Anyways, but my point is what I mean my point.

Is it's not bad.

My point is, and that means you picked that new one that was above it, by the way, because you said differently, Jason.

Didn't watch that.

Point is that none of these legacy sequels are any fucking good and yet the majority of them make fucking bank.

And the Halloween is this.

This Halloween trilogy made bank.

You know the screen movies they made bank.

For as much as people I think hate to admit, I think the Child's Play movie did do relatively well at the box office it.

Did, surprisingly.

Yeah, obviously Netflix is TCM is a Netflix release, so we don't know anything about that.

But these movies, people go and see them, but they're not very good.

And honestly, I genuinely believe that 2018 Halloween is at the top of the list in terms of it's the best out of all of them.

Like again, it's the best turn and we're just trying to Polish it.

They're all shit, none of them are good.

It's almost like people should get original ideas or something.

I'm I'm.

Doing.

Better on this one.

I'm fucking bitter because for me, during this time period, there's like better new stuff coming out in 2018.

There's better films like Name, you know, Hereditary.

The The thing is right, the reason that that new stuff looked good was because the remix looked so bad.

Like don't get them wrong they they were good movies, but it made them look even better at the time.

Does that make sense?

Plus you think Hereditary looked better because remix makes were coming out that were particularly bad?

Not red, terrible some.

No, I'm just using that as an example.

But yeah.

Of like a 24 films is during this time when it really came to prominence.

It shows you a lot of people because a 24 is like mainstream now, but they weren't at the time and it gave a platform to better stuff.

So yeah, thank you for sucking legacy sequels.

We needed something.

And it's all original content that a 24 are producing as well.

You know, they're not, they're not releasing, you know, legacy sequels and recalls and all this other stuff.

They wouldn't go near it.

One thing that 2018 does right, it really portrays podcasters in a terrible light.

Douchebags talk.

About these two fucking Dick heads, right?

Not that I'm saying that all podcasters are douchebags, let me get that clear.

Just Nico, Nico, I do feel.

Some of them.

I feel like these two podcasters would represent you quite well.

Why I don't?

Know they just, they just give off an air of arse holiness that I feel like you, you embrace.

Hey, I don't mind being an arsehole, I'm quite open about that.

It's folks that hide that you've got watch like yourself.

These I was just very open about being an arsehole towards you there, thank you very much.

You're just an open arsehole.

Anyways, yeah, I would.

Never.

One of one of the things I just like, one of the things I dislike about this movie.

Apart from the three characters that we've already talked about, apart from Allison, Karen and Laurie, is that we really don't get any other characters that we could we like.

And again, we've we've talked about this in movies before, haven't we, about, you know, really giving you characters to root for.

And unfortunately, a good chunk of this early part in the movie is kind of centred around these two podcasters who are doing some sort of investigative work.

And I think this is probably for me where some certain loopholes start to come into play because, you know, they they're, they're here about the the lore and the luster and all the all the goings on about Michael Myers.

But if you're forgetting the rest of the franchise, there really wasn't that much in that first movie.

Yes, obviously you went on like this rampage.

He killed all the he killed these kids, but there's not really enough in that movie for him to be differentiated from any other bog standard murderer who just decided one night to go on a fucking spree.

Yeah.

So like 5 people he's killed.

Like you're like, it's not even a like serial killer.

That would be like.

Thank you take in the paper.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs.

He's a spree killer and it wasn't a big spree.

I'm just a spree killer.

Serial killers is planned it's overtime A spree killer is like a very short period of time for the.

Murder.

Not every killer.

So he even ranks below the serial killers for the true crime people.

Yeah, yeah.

And so for me, that's like one of the big Potters.

If you're going deeper into the franchise, one of the big plot twists, especially in Kills, is that no one knows what he fucking looks like.

This guy's been incarcerated for 40 years.

Everyone would know what he looks like.

That That that, that for me, in terms of this trilogy, is like the biggest thing that really pisses me off so much about Kills in particular is that they all act like none of them fucking know what he looks like.

But.

Ian, you know what?

Yeah, I have to ask you something.

Did evil die that night?

Evil.

Evil dies.

No evil dies tonight.

Jesus, who did you lose?

Your.

Locket.

In there Candy, did you lose your Locket in?

My pocket.

You put the song back in my head.

Nico there I'm.

Going to add another.

Movie you know you know how evil dies tonight is like the big thing from kills and like it just gets repeated in conjuring last night they repeat this nursery rhyme over.

And you got like sheriff cowboy hat, which, yeah, that's how I we were referring to him on my old show.

And the sheriff cowboy hat guy like, hey, Illinois Island is a state over for me.

It's not red it it, it's not a cowboy hat thing.

You see that like in Texas or something.

You don't see that in the Midwest.

I'm just going to say that right now.

Well, one, one of the things I want to talk about as well is right.

And again, Doctor Sartain, he ain't no Doctor Loomis.

Let me tell you that right off the bat.

They didn't even try to hide.

It I love the father.

She goes.

You're the new like it needed to be stopped on these fucking forehead.

You know this.

Is my problem.

In general with Blumhouse films, they got to hold your hand just in case you weren't.

You can't ascertain facts.

If you're storytelling so bad that you got to tell me what's going on, that's on you.

It's not on me.

I'm the viewer.

But yeah, with Doctor Sartain, they don't even like, hide it a little bit.

He's just like, I'm obsessed with Michael Myers.

If a mental health professional tells you he's obsessed with something that's problematic, they don't use that kind of language.

I would be like, we woo red, red flag.

I got to go.

You know, at least I think at least as well in like the original franchise, we knew that Loomis was fucking insane, like he but you know, at least he I I just think it was such a mistake to make him a villain.

You know, if you're if you're going to have the new Loomis, let him at least be the new Loomis.

And let's not make him into this fucking bizarre, twisted person who, you know, attempts to kill the the the policeman, Officer Hawkins, and, you know, attempts to murder us.

And because he wants to see him in the wild.

And it's like there again, there's not enough in that first movie for someone to be so obsessed with Michael Myers and to want to see him in the wild.

You know, this isn't this isn't one of those like real life serial killers that we're talking about.

You know, again, you would need to acknowledge his kills from further on movies down the franchise for that to really make an impact.

It is for me, it's probably the biggest plot hole in this whole thing and it's.

The fact that he's just so open all the time about how he's obsessed with him and like, what does he think when he kills?

It's like the dude doesn't kill anybody in 40 years.

If we're going from this.

I mean, you gonna take it like the viewer just watched the first Halloween and then jumped right into this.

And it's like it does.

It doesn't translate.

And to have him so gleefully twirling his mustache and in the 1st like in 10 minutes, it's like build to that.

Yeah, what I think this might.

Like if it's thrown in like the second one with it, or at least, well, yeah, you can't really go further than three, but at least thrown in the second one with it, you know, a couple more kills and it would have a bit more to it, you know what I mean?

A bit more.

But then if you throw in the second one, you have to acknowledge the brother, sister thing, don't you?

Because that's when that.

Yeah, so you.

Do that's why they had to Recon it back to the first.

And so you're referring to like an old case.

It's 40 years old, nothing's happened since.

And in the true crime community, there's so many like murderers and crazy things that happen, crime's passion, whatever, But you're going to acknowledge a spree killer from 40 years ago in Illinois?

Like I said, Illinois has stayed over for me.

Nothing goes on in the Midwest.

But you know, still, we do have a lot of murderers in the Midwest, though, I will say that.

There you go.

Boring here I guess.

So, well, there you go.

So.

Oh.

Yeah, it's not bored.

It's not What?

Even if you're just going from the Midwest to pit killers, you could do better than Michael Myers.

And where where we're led to believe, you know, only the first film happened.

You can do a lot better than that.

Yeah, I don't want this to be any sort of attraction to the first film, because the first film's still.

Fantastic.

Not at all the.

First film is really good.

It's a It's gave us slashers as we know them.

It's the greatest horror movie of all time.

Yeah, we're going to.

Cover the greatest horror movie of all time soon.

We've already done it.

I know Lost Boys was ages ago.

Absolutely.

I've completely lost my train of thought there.

One thing, right?

Oh no.

This is, well, no, because I want to talk about, because these pesky podcasters, they think they're a really bad job of getting the information they need.

First of all, there's no fucking way in the world that he would be able to obtain the mask, right?

Exactly.

Well, if you got the horrible Lecter, if he's got enough money.

Yeah, I guess I guess so.

But like they, they and they clearly do have money, but they're, they're so if they're just, they say they're investigative journalists, they say they're creating podcasts.

They're so insipid and they're so insidious about how they choose to go around things.

And I don't feel like any decent sort of podcaster or interviewer would really be like that.

Like when they were interviewing Laurie and they're like, oh, when did you get your daughter back?

And Laurie quite rightly points out you already knew that.

I didn't you know, And it's like that's such a not that's such a bad line of questioning because you.

Do get a lot of them that fucking try shit like that, even normal journalists who try like boxfolk and cage them in like that and you're like fuck off.

Actually study journalism, there's ethics that go with it.

I had to study journalism as part of my major.

I was studying English but I had to learn journalism.

I'm a writer.

So they're like, oh, you can got to learn journalism so you can get a real job side writing books.

Fuck you professors.

Anyway, so I know journalism.

You can't say shit like that.

You that is bad.

They're just bad journalists.

And it pissed me off every time I watch it, Like they're just really bad at what they do.

They're just, oh, we'll wave money around.

And she rightly is like, I'll take the money.

They're not going to get anything from me.

Yeah, because there's also nothing.

Giving it to okay, fuck these people and you're ready for them to die.

I was ready.

She.

Says that she's like fucking you're.

You're not getting anything new from this because it's all been said.

And to be honest, because it's only 5 fucking kills, It's probably been done on a night on the news, you know what I mean?

So yeah, it's fucking it.

It sort of takes that away from the movie a little bit, that question, but I'm not going to lie, it's still one of the better.

Fucking what?

Oh yeah.

But again, I'm still not disagreeing with that.

But that's your only defense.

It's one of the better ones.

I'm rating this sorry.

It's it's better gone, yeah.

But that's like that's.

Not my only defence.

Saying much, but, I mean, but that's, if you've noticed since we've been talking about this, that's what keeps falling back.

It's still better than the other two.

Yeah, but that doesn't take much.

It's it's better than I had dreams last night that we're better than the other two.

It's it's better than it's better than not just the other two.

It's it's better than a lot of them.

This like I I like the fact that it throws, but I like the fact that it brings up all those feelings of me being a kid.

I like the fact that they they totally switch characters at the end.

I like the fact that they've got a little bit in the middle where it's like, oh, takes the piss out of those teen movies that are like I'm the best friend.

I'll kiss or not and I'll get in a boot and he doesn't.

He gets fucked to fuck off.

I hate that.

Fuck it was disgusting.

I like the.

Female who was relatively attractive back in those days, it's guys look better.

Like Oh yeah, he was bad for you, but I'm going to be better for you.

He's like, fuck off, no.

That's that's why I liked it, because she told him to fuck off.

That's why I liked it, because in the other fucking in the movies that were on the go in those days, it would have been like, Oh yeah, I should have went for the best friend after all, because always.

But it was the buttons effect, you know, fucking Cinderella should have been with buttons.

Fuck off.

Cinderella should be by far, far.

She wants to be we just not the Dick head and definitely not you who's been creeping on her for fucking years.

I like that that was thrown in it as well.

Of all these things I like.

Exactly.

I like all those things.

That's what makes this good for.

Me well, let's let's put the question because we obviously we've we've compared this movie a lot to kills and ends and we've we've we're dancing around this whole sort of subject of it's better than them.

Is it?

But like, like, like, like I think obviously candy Halloween 3 you know, you think that's, that's like the next best, right?

And we're you know, we'll accept that they're we're not going to that's, that's not, that's not, that's not we're not really going to argue that point at the minute.

But if you're taking into account the rest of the sequel, so 4 So let's just say it's four and five, for example, because we've, we've, we've sort of we've taken the piss a little bit out of sex and resurrection and age 24 and five.

Like where?

Where do they compare to 2018?

I would say it's like the second slash third best one.

But I mean, so, but I'm thinking

like in comparison to 4:00 and 5:00, like how?

Because I think, I think I think, you know, four and five are generally seen as being like not the worst sequels.

They're not great, but they're not the worst because you've still got certain key elements.

You've got Danielle Harris in there.

You've got still got Donald Pleasants, even though you know, he's very much starting to near the end of his life.

I remember he passed away.

Was that before 5?

He was 6.

I remember he.

Was he?

Was he?

Was he?

Was I remember I was like 5 or 6 because I remember being younger and I was a kid, not like a little kid, but a kid and obviously a fan of just watching terrible movies and just they had that mem memoriam thing at the beginning of the VHS outside.

Yeah.

So where?

Where would the where?

Would the so I I would have this as over overall the whole franchise, I would have this as second or third.

I would say it's better than all the other ones.

So sort of tied with two I'm assuming then?

But I can't wanted to oz one movie but if I let them if I had to split them then this would be third.

Candy where where in comparison like fours and fives?

Halloween 3 let's see.

1978 was my second.

I don't really care.

After that I just stopped caring.

I like 3.

I don't like the OGI, don't really revisit the others, and I wouldn't have revisited this one if I had a way around it.

It's OK, you know it.

It had some promising signs in it.

So it has moments.

But the problem is, is reading it from where we are now and knowing how bad the sequels were, I kind of wish this had never been made.

But yeah, it it had some promise to it.

Like if they had done some better things, it could have been better.

I had moments.

So yeah, I guess I would read it like, I don't know, third or fourth or something.

I don't know.

I don't really care.

After two, let me that clear.

After Halloween 3 and 1978, I don't give a fuck.

So I'd read it down there, somewhere else, maybe 4th.

I.

Don't know, doesn't matter.

Well, it's one of the things I do want to talk about and you kind of mentioned it there because it was what I was waiting to move on next.

One thing this movie does do, I think really well is it creates some really cool moments and there's some cool, really cool individual scenes.

And like some of the kills and some of the moments in the scenes I think are really quite impactful and really quite good.

I think that's where the move this moving probably does fall apart a little bit is when it tries to push them all together and try to create your sort of overarching story.

But I think if we take like individual scenes, for example, like the opening scene with the mask, it's, it's a little bit, it's whilst you know, there's some inconsistencies, it's a bit of a striking moment.

You know, that point where he's holding the mask up and he's like, talk to me.

And then the opening credits and that incredible score, which is probably still to this day one, really.

Fucking good.

That's the best part of the films, which is.

Still and John Carpenter was back in in this like taking part in this movie.

He did part of the score and his son was here so like we've got the fucking master back to do the score.

I think when it came to kills and ends, I think he was still back.

And at that point John Carpenter literally turned around and was like, how big is the check that you're cutting me?

Which?

Well, he, John Carpenter for years has been saying because he got disillusioned with movies, he's like, and they're like, what do you think of the new Halloween movies?

He's like, what I like is that when I stick my hand out, a check appears.

I'm like, OK, I'm.

Going to respect.

That I guess at Conte he likes to talk about video games and basketball.

I'm like, yeah.

Yes, I could totally respect that, but he's back and you'll be.

I like basketball.

You know, we head into that incredible score and it's so iconic.

And I think that's a really great moment.

I think the scene in the in the, in the, the service station toilet, you know, I think that's a really cool scene.

You know the teeth that everybody.

'S got the teeth and you know one thing I do like about the scores incredible as always, but I feel like it's quite minimalistic at times and there's a lot of moments where in this movie where they let silence be overarching, you know, and then you know, for example, the moment with the motion detector kill, for example, I think that's a really cool fucking scene and it's another really cool moment and then you know it's.

A cool concept.

You know, and I think you know what?

I like.

I like when he gets the the blade, like that's overlooked and I think that's a really good bit when you don't actually see him make the kill with the hammer.

He doesn't kill the kid.

You know what I mean?

All that stuff.

I like that because it means he isn't just doing it for the sake of doing it.

He's he's systematically doing it.

He's doing that to get the knife.

That's all he's doing.

I think that's always been one of the things about Michael Myers and that's where Kill started to sort of jump off the end, wasn't it?

Because Michael's never been out there killing everyone he comes across.

And that's even through some of those terrible sequels, that's always been the case.

You know, he like in that first movie, he doesn't kill like the little kids he comes across that are certain characters that he like, sort of like go for one of a better world.

By the end of Kills, he's just fucking killing everything left, right and centre isn't he's like everything that fucking moves.

So they're being really consistent with the character there.

And it does, it shows, I think a slight difference between, I think that's maybe like the slight difference between like Michael and Jason, for example, because they're like our silent killers aren't there.

Whereas Jason will fucking just kill everything that comes across his path.

I admire.

That, that's, that's one of the things that I remember from when this came out.

Folk were bitching.

Remember that?

We talked about the kid that makes the shot and I was laughing about it.

Folk were bitching about that scene because he kills the kid.

But yeah.

I remember I was remembering that as I watched the the film.

I was like, I remember what a big deal this was.

Yeah.

Yeah, everyone was like even have killed the kid, yada yada and all that shit.

I'm like, well in that case he probably would have.

Such fandom arguments.

Would he?

Would he have not?

I think that Michael Wood.

Honestly, I think he would have in no circumstance.

But I think that's what I'm saying, I think in this exact, this is an example, it shows a sort of new level of brutality, I think for Michael Myers without him sort of jumping off that deep end that he does and kills.

He still has that restraint where he's not just going to kill everyone that comes across.

He's just going to kill who he needs to kill.

And in that moment, to get control of that vehicle, he needed to kill that kid.

And it's something we haven't really seen before from him.

And there is that moment, you know, you know, when we get the off screen kill and you hear the baby crying where you're like, is he going to kill the fucking baby?

And I'm really.

Really.

And they linger.

They do they, they, they, they let us linger for a moment.

That's also Jamie Lee.

Because he stops.

Yeah, he.

Stops the looks.

Yeah, he stops and looks.

That's also Jamie Lee Curtis making those baby noises, by the way.

Fuck off.

Is it?

Yeah.

But he stops and looks and there's a real moment, isn't there?

Where you truly believe he's going to kill that fucking baby.

And I'm so glad they didn't, because I think that would have just been so such bad overkill had they chosen.

Well, if Jamie Lee Curtis was the voice, he should have.

What?

If Jamie Lee Curtis was the voice, he fucking should have.

But that's probably by the by anyways.

And so I'm really glad that I feel like that's one thing they really did because I think, and it's obviously something that they got very carried away with.

I think in the other two films, it is just that desire to show Michael Myers killing everything because all you want to do is to see him kill.

And that's not really what Michael Myers is all about.

That's not really why the people who love him love him.

People don't love him because his kills are brutal and we love that, but we love the sort of restraint of the character as well because I think it shows a level of composure and a level of intelligence in the character that isn't isn't present with like Adjacent and adjacent movies are a totally different type of movie.

You're there for the mindless killing.

You're there for him to kill people in Hawaii.

Certainly not there for the plot.

Exactly.

Whereas in Halloween movies, you're very much there because this is a much more sort of intellectual character even without saying anything, you know.

And I think that's one thing that this movie did do quite well.

And like, and like, I'll say again, you know, it really combined that I think, with some really moments.

And then you have this also a big finale scene, you know, that final scene where, like you said earlier, Nico, you've got Michael Myers just looking up from the basement, the fires licking all around him.

Yeah, I think that's a really cool looking moment.

Yeah, I love that because that's the thing I didn't touch on that when I was talking about.

So I love that whole bit from when she changes right through from that bit.

I was fucking glued to it because it is that moment where it's like, well, you're caught in a fucking trap, it's not a cage, yada yada, the whole fucking line, everything about it.

And then when he's just standing there looking up, he's getting cooked and you're like, oh, it's so cool that that looks really good it.

Didn't do that for me.

I just was kind of like, I just, I don't know, it just never really like it was interesting how it came about like, OK, it's not a cage, it's trap.

OK, cool, I guess.

But it's just I wasn't like glued.

Or it was like, oh, then you know, Michael and Lori fight it out and the fight wasn't that great.

It was like, it's more this sequel.

If it were by itself, if there was no other, if you didn't have a legacy film, it wouldn't have worked.

Let's be honest.

This movie cannot stand alone.

You're not depending on the first film.

If you think this was the first, So if this was the first Halloween movie, is that what you're saying?

Is that what you're saying?

Yeah, it would.

It would have failed because think about it, it cannot stand independently on its own.

It relies so much on like your remembrance of the original film that if you were to take that part out, it doesn't work.

Yeah, it's a sequel.

Yeah.

Surely we we could say that for a lot.

Of sequel, you've got it.

It starts off going on about what happened in the first one.

You know what I mean?

I am.

I'm a big outcry.

I'd like, do I live every Freddy film?

No.

Well, work independently on its own.

Dream Warriors would have, let's be honest, if you start that, if you started the story where Dream Warriors is, it's interesting enough on its own.

Kids in a psych place getting treatment for these nightmares.

And then we have this person come in who seems to know like, OK, but does this work independently because I'm reading the film?

I'm not reading the franchise.

We're talking about one film, right?

Cardi, you say that about Dream Warriors?

It still relies on the fucking films, but it doesn't rely by itself.

It doesn't have to.

No, but this is the thing you.

Could have a story without it.

You're you're saying you could have that story without it, right?

It wouldn't work right?

It's the same as this without the 1st.

Though this one is different because I'm, I'm and I'm not saying like you're wrong or right, that's your own opinion.

That's my opinion.

But what I am saying is the legacy sequels they don't have, you're supposed to take something and do something else with it.

And it's like, I just don't think this works without heavily leaning into the original film.

And yes, that's part of it, but it needs to have its own identity.

I'm reading this film, I'm not reading the OG.

I'm not reading Kills.

I'm not reading, I'm not even reading three reading this film.

It doesn't work unless you are familiar with the OG film.

If you came into the franchise here, you probably have to go back and watch the original film.

Right.

But yeah, the the it's still a sequel.

It's not a remake.

No, no, it's no, no, but like.

I'm reading this film.

What we're saying, I understand, you know, but what we're saying is like, you could I get what you're saying, kind of.

You could watch Dream Warriors, and you don't have to have seen the first Elm Street to get Dream Warriors, because you can.

The plot, like the plot is there.

The plot is, the plot is there.

Yes.

There would be a lot more mystery to it because you'd be like, who the fuck's this check showing up in the middle of the film?

Why does he know so much?

And.

But then saying that about this.

I'm not, I'm not saying I'm not necessarily I'm not necessarily saying I agree.

I just understand what you're.

Saying but you.

Understand what I'm saying is you you said that I'll, I'll do the exact same thing with this movie, OK?

If you take out the original stuff from it, they would have to fill it with something else.

It would be a new serial killer.

That's the only difference it would make.

It's it's the same as 3.

Trying to rate this movie by it by itself and, and obviously it is a legacy sequel, but even legacy sequels like the remake of Freddy, which isn't quite a legacy sequel, but it kind of relies on the fact that you've seen the OG, right?

But no that's that's a remake.

You can watch that stand alone.

That's why the younger ones are liking it.

The difference is.

For the purposes of people listening to this podcast.

It's like a new that's that's what I mean by.

This film, this film by itself.

That's fair.

That's that's that's fair.

But what I mean is you you you refer it to the nightmare Elm Street 3, the dream warrior, right?

That being said, you take all you, but you you take all the Freddy stuff out of it.

You'd have to replace it with some other killer that was like Freddy we're.

Not saying replace.

We're saying, like, take away the first film, it has so many visual references to the first film that may not mean anything to people who are.

I'm not familiar with it.

Like this stuff with the closets focusing so long on the hangers.

Yeah.

Yeah.

First film and I get that they put that in for fans, but they kind of overdid it and maybe they.

Did well wasn't they like they did put a lot of lip service in here for France of the original and I get I I'm.

And it is a little bit over long if you haven't seen the 1st.

I think as a big, I like it as a big fan of the first one.

So you have that moment where, you know, Allison's looking out the window and she sees Laurie standing by the the tree like we see Michael Myers in the original.

You know when Laurie gets thrown off the top floor of the building and Michael goes to?

Look over like.

You know that's.

That I loved, that I.

Loved it.

I loved it.

I think it's a cool moment.

You know, I think it was really cool start to flip that.

And there's a few other moments like that throughout the movie where you get that things.

And one thing I will like is there is a bit of attention to detail in this movie as well.

So I don't know if people, I mean people probably know it by now.

But if you look at the mask, there's a small hole in his neck and that's where, you know, in the original movie, Laurie Strode stuck the knitting needle into the side of his neck.

So they do pay close attention to details and things like that as well, which I really appreciate it as well.

They do pay a lot of lip service to fans of the original.

I think you kind of have to though.

I I do think you kind of have to when you're doing a sequel.

I just thought it was overly done.

I think what I think when you're doing.

I don't think so.

I think the justice.

I think that when you're doing a sequel rather than a remake or a reboot, I think you kind of have to and especially when it's such a well beloved original as well and one that, you know, is now what at the time was it was it came out in the year of its 40th anniversary, Didn't it was 2018 was the 40th anniversary of Halloween.

So, you know, I think some lip service really did need to get paid to the original, especially when we've had so many trash sequels, you know, over the past couple of decades as well.

I think had it been a franchise that had been a little bit more consistent, then maybe you don't need to do that as much because as a franchise, it'd probably be a lot more popular.

And it's one thing that I'll say about sort of like the Scream franchise, the the two Scream reboots that have came out or legacy sequels or recoils or whatever.

They.

Choose to call them.

You know them two movies pay so much lip service, right?

And they really?

They can't exist.

They overdo it.

Yeah, they overdo it.

But see.

You're just reflecting what's going on.

2018 ushered in a time of terrible requels, legacy sequels, whatever.

I think that's my biggest problem.

I'm leaning into that hatred of that.

Thank you, David Gordon Green.

You've ruined a lot of horror movies.

Do you think though, as go, do you think you're maybe more critical of it as well going into someone who, whilst you do, you know, you appreciate the original, it's not your favorite thing in the world in terms of horror movie.

So as I'm going to the, I'm going into this as like I'm a big fan of it and I maybe just being that little bit more forgiving because.

I'm a big fan of factors in and I think that I'm a lot more critical of this film than I originally was, even though I was critical.

It's I'm trying to separate it from the terrible movies in Inspired and the terrible movies that came after.

I'm trying very hard to separate it from the beginning.

The movies I did like to this movie, it's very hard because they're all entangled and that's what I was trying to get at.

Sometimes I have ADHD so I'm really trying to explain myself.

Like there are movies in this franchise I like and that's fine but this could have been better is all I'm saying.

It leans a little bit too much into the nostalgia to make something that isn't that great.

So if so, consider me an outside of this franchise person and I'm coming in and I know the movies and I've seen this movie.

I'm not the biggest fan.

So does it work for me?

As someone who is not a fan girl of this franchise?

It doesn't, that's my point.

I just couldn't put it succinctly.

See, I went to see this with people who hadn't seen the original and they loved it.

OK.

But so that's why I was saying, but you were saying it didn't work.

I I know it did because I saw it well.

I never would have seen it if I didn't like.

What I will say is though, like you can take odd people in, in individuals in terms of like there's always going to be outliers in terms of there's always going to be people who watch a film like this, haven't seen the original that will love it.

In the same way that there's always going to be, you know, like you can't take like two or three people in isolation and just extrapolate.

That that is on it.

I'm going by my experience with it and that's why I was trying to bend that and like I've seen it work.

Going into it with like, I'm a Freddy person, my husband's a, you know, a Leatherface person slash Jason person.

I'm a Jason guy named Freddy.

Ash, he doesn't even like any of the slashers.

Yeah, you wouldn't think it's my child, but he does have my love of body horror, so that's what he does.

My daughter's a Friday person.

So we're all coming into this like that.

Huge horror fans.

My kids have been watching horror movies since I felt like they were old enough to show interest and be an understanding of it.

We're all watching it like, OK, I don't think this is the film for me.

So I'm trying to rate it as somebody like, I'm a huge horror fan.

I'm familiar with the work, but I don't like the movie.

It's not because I don't like the franchise.

They're.

I mean, I enjoy it.

It's not my favorite, but it's like I'm trying to read it from my point of view and that's really hard for me to convey it because I feel like the wettest of blankets right now.

I'm just trying to get my point across.

I don't care for it if you didn't know that.

Can I just say this is the most reviewed franchise we've done on the podcast in terms of no?

Wonder why, Dan?

Why would?

That the number of movies that we've covered in it.

We've done Halloween, we've done Halloween 2, we've done Halloween 3, we've done Resurrection and now we're doing 2018.

So from best to worst, we've basically done.

I'm back again.

Yeah.

I know we're not considering Halloween 3 of the worst.

Oh yeah, I have 100% doing that.

No, it's not wrong if you don't repeat those.

You should go see that movie.

Jesus.

Christ.

He's he's been, he's been grooming her, you know what I mean?

He's throwing things.

Tom Atkins Tom Atkins in that movie would have shagged the sheep.

I think he was shocked.

The fucking Barber floor.

I think he would have fucked.

I think he would have fucked anything that moved, no matter how old it was.

Anything.

He's a fucking dirty bastard.

No, Yes.

Wow.

So Gandhi.

Gandhi.

Years ago, Gandhi.

Watch that man right now and he's in.

Gandhi, you have children.

You have children, right?

Your best friend.

Your best friend.

Oh, here you go.

Right.

So So your best friend on your point of death, shogs one of your kids.

Is that a good thing?

That that's called checkmate, by the way.

Oh.

Nicole stopping that Dick.

Because that's what it does.

Real.

Circumstances.

You're talking about fictional ones.

I'm.

Talking about I would absolutely fuck that man.

Right, right.

Stop.

Was the of your father.

Nico, Nico, maybe Nico, stop.

What?

Because I feel like fucking said so, right?

What I will say is, and candy, I'm going to give you a minute and Nico is not going to interrupt you.

I'm going to give you a minute to defend Halloween 3.

OK, Halloween 3, What I like about it is that it it it expanded on what John Carpenter's original idea of Halloween was, was to tell a different story with each film.

But he had to scrap that because of everybody pressured him to make 2, which is why I don't think 2 quite works as well as one.

He was pressured.

They made him go back and have to write the story.

More Michael Myers stuff.

We get 3 when he sold the franchise and I think it was original.

I think it's different.

Nobody else was doing it at the time.

And it says something, you know, it's, it's like that in the universe type thing.

It's in the same universe.

It's just a different story.

And I like that.

Is it the greatest film of all time?

It is not.

But I I like the imagery.

I like the fact that the, you know, before Michael Myers decided to kill kids in 2018, we have our villain actually selling masks to kill kids for the fuck of it 'cause it's evil, you know, it's Sowin, you know what I mean?

Like, it's fun and it's just, it's unique at a time when it was taboo to kill kids in horror movies that they had the balls to do it.

And it's a fun movie.

It's goofy.

I love the Happy Happy Halloween song.

No one can take that from me at the end.

I do like, we do get references to Halloween 3 throughout this week as well.

The masks make several appearances, you know, so I love the fact that like, I do like and listen, I'm not Halloween 3's biggest fan.

I'm probably a slightly bigger fan than Nico is, but I'm still not it's it's biggest.

Fan give me a wave when you're finished.

OK.

I think Nico's just switched off his microphone.

I saw him do all right.

Very adults of you.

Oh, we should.

Are we expecting any less from from Nico at this point?

One up.

I know.

Anyways, yeah, I'm not the the biggest fan of Halloween 3.

It's certainly not my least favorite.

It's certainly not my favorite.

But I I appreciate that some of the things that you said there.

And I do like the fact that we get several references to it with throughout this trilogy, for better or for worse, with the later ones throughout this trilogy, we do get quite a few references to it.

So Nico, are you still there?

A wave.

I'll give you the wave.

Is he just like?

Why is he just?

Looking at us, is it my turn yet?

No, you're not getting a turn anyways.

We're moving.

On now that's that's that's not how do.

You got a whole episode.

I did say at the start, you're not getting a you what?

I have one last thing I want to talk about and then we can move on and we'll do things.

No, I I need to respond.

That's how it works.

That's how.

So that laid out your argument and I didn't get to respond to that, so I think it's fair.

Yeah, I go with that.

Right, Let's move on.

So, so I, I love the concept of it.

I I love the concept of it right now.

I like the idea of it changing everything and doing it all, but the actual doing it made it absolutely fucking awful.

And that's why it's the worst part of the whole franchise.

It's fucking gosh, there you go.

Yeah, I can handle another.

Person sorry Nico, I was just doing what you did and decided to take my headphones off so that I didn't have to listen to anyway Michael Myers himself, right.

I always feel like it would be a bit remiss.

Obviously in this movie, we've got James dude Courtney, who is for the majority of the movie is playing Michael Myers.

We do get Nick Castle is back in certain scenes and I think that was really a nice touch.

The shape as well.

The original shape.

They reference Michael Myers as the shape quite a few times in this movie.

I think James dude, Courtney does a really good job in this movie of being Michael Myers because we've seen some pretty shoddy ones throughout throughout his throughout the franchise.

I think James do Courtney does particular feels just fine.

I think, you know, he's imposing.

Yeah.

Any any thoughts on on our actual Michael?

I like that.

Thanks for your deep.

You're deep.

OK, OK, Candy.

Like it.

No.

I mean, I thought that he did a pretty good job with the menacing he has like the the stature.

I thought he was good.

OK.

Right.

And anything else that you guys want to touch upon?

I feel like I'm just really taking a risk with that question.

No, we're good.

Yeah, I think we're good.

I think I've I've ruined enough people's day.

OK, right.

Let's move on to our next segment then.

Let's do the ratings.

No, not the ratings.

I'm way too early for that.

Let's do some trivia.

Be my victim.

I am the writing on the wall.

OK, as always, we'll start off with the finances.

This movie according to IMDb had a bunch of $10 million, which pretty low budget like candy.

When we talk about we're doing Conjuring Last Rites on our last episode that about at 55,000,000 and this movie grossed 259,000,000 worldwide.

So it grossed a similar amount as well.

Again, you know, these movies make bank.

I think again, it was a trilogy of diminishing returns.

I don't think Kills or Ends made as much as 2018 did, but, you know, another good, solid financial return for a Halloween movie.

OK, wait.

What?

What did I miss?

I'm just doing the finances.

It's fine.

I'm.

Sorry, and my family's texting me about surgery.

I've been trying to like field it a little.

It's almost as if, it's almost as if we've got another host, another host there, Nico.

I'm trying to finish off Art the Clown because I started playing chess when you're doing the thingy anyway.

I'm, I'm really sorry, Ian is just like done with both of us at this moment.

And as with the original Halloween, Michael Myers is listed in the crowded as the shape, not as Michael Myers, which we just kind of alluded to there.

Yeah, the lead role of Alison.

Here you go Nico.

You you like these people who became quite a coveted role and multiple popular actresses had met with Danny McBride personally to talk about doing the role of Alison in the movie.

They eventually, they eventually decided they wanted to go to the unknown route in terms of the way Jamie Lee Curtis was when the original Halloween came out, and that's when they cast Andy Majak.

But Emma Roberts was probably the most well known of the people who had gone for the role.

How?

Would you?

I'm glad she didn't get it.

How would you have felt?

No, not a fan of Emma Roberts?

She's not a good person.

No, I I'm very well aware that she's got multiples.

There's multiple stories out there of her being not a great.

Person abusive.

Yeah, Nico, what would you have thought about Emma Roberts being Alison in this film?

I think it wouldn't have worked as well as because she she tends to come across as too jokey.

She, she has the American Horror Story sort of stink to her as well.

There's not that that's necessarily a bad thing because, you know.

Oh, I think it is American Horror Story.

I don't like the American Horror Stories.

I've tried to.

They're like, but you're a horror fan.

I'm like, that doesn't mean I like everything.

No and.

There's a few that are good, there's a few that are shit.

I I tried watching the one with Lady Gaga and because I love Lady Gaga and man, I could not.

Every single time I.

Start with one of the worst one.

Every single time, every single time I rewatch American Horror Story, I'll get I'll go through it.

And every single time I fall away at hotel, every single time I'll watch all the ones because.

Yeah, that was quite boring.

Because I actually think, I think Asylum is pretty good as, as I think that's possibly the best series of American Horror Story.

And I kind of, I kind of fuck with Freak Show a little bit.

I like the one with Stevie Nicks in it.

Coven.

Coven is the one.

With Stevie Nicks.

That was like the third, right?

Yeah, that was the first one was like, that was the silence.

That's that's one of the best ones, I think.

Yeah, but then once I get.

Even when it's at his best, it's not that good.

Ryan Murphy's not that great.

No, I also I also.

I'm not someone who really gets this fucking love for Sarah Paulson as well.

Like, I think she's a fine actor.

I don't get the sort of crazy levels of devotion her fans seem to give her.

It's it's it's it's kind of wild to me.

She seems to have reached this sort of level where she can do no wrong.

And I don't really understand it.

I don't see what she's sort of done to deserve that.

But.

I preferred her American Gothic and they got a lie.

Yeah, yeah, fair.

Anyways.

So yeah.

Do you even know what that is?

Yes, anyways.

OK, just check.

A lot of people don't.

This is the This became the highest grossing Halloween movie in its opening weekend of all time.

At the time, the only film that was better than it in terms of its opening weekend was it.

But as we was it was it What was what was it that overtook it?

Was it last rite?

It was last rites.

Last rites.

Nico is now the.

Most that makes me so fuck the.

Most successful opening move Opening weekend of a horror movie of all time.

Was that for adjusted?

But why?

That was adjusted, yeah.

Fuck, I was hoping there was a glimmer of light in all this but.

For the last few years at Chapter 1, which you know, it's fine, I can, I can get on board with that.

I can get on board with it.

I can watch that movie.

Yeah, that's fine.

Conjuring last night so definitely doesn't deserve that.

The date the film was released in the UK and the USA was actually the day that Michael Myers was born, October the 19th.

So they, they, they released this movie on the day the character was supposed to be born.

Actor James Jude Courtney, who plays Michael Meyer, consulted with real life killers on how to kill people to make his performance more believable.

In his own words, Michael's been locked up for 40 years, so he's had a long time to think about killing.

But obviously he's still efficient and driven.

So I wanted to make sure that people see that in my performance.

So, you know, he was at least at least doing his research.

Jamie Lee Curtis revealed on a podcast that she is She was the one who performed the sounds of the baby crying when Michael walks to the house after slaughtering the restroom with a hammer.

And the last piece of trivia I've got is that Danielle Harris, who obviously plays Jamie in Halloween's four and five, and she also makes an appearance in Rob Zombies Halloween.

We didn't actually talk about Rob Zombies Halloweens.

I don't know if there's much we.

Don't need.

No, no, it's fine, she attempted.

To if I can avoid talking about a Rob Zombie movie, it's a good day.

She attempted to put in a call to get her character in this movie.

She wanted to appear in 2018, but.

Well, that wouldn't have worked because like, storylines gone.

Yeah, yeah, the producers VOD it because their movies ignored the events of her film.

I guess you could have maybe brought her in to play a different character like Rob Zombie did.

Rob Zombie brought her in to play a different role.

But, you know, I'm listen, I'm never, ever going to complain about seeing Danielle Harris on my screen, so.

Have you met her?

I've not met her, no.

She's unpleasant historically.

I'm I'm talking more of a.

Song was like all about her until we met her.

I'm, I'm very much talking more of a, a visual.

Yeah, she is.

She's very small.

Anyways, that's not what I've got for trivia for this.

Any other trivia from you guys?

No, no.

I've got none.

No, I didn't think you would.

Maybe one day.

My preparation today was watch the movie and then I finished it and I came in here to record.

Oh dear.

Right.

Let's move on to our final segment, then we'll do the ratings and the reviews.

Congratulations, you are still alive.

Most people are so ungrateful to be alive, but not you, Not any.

As always, we'll start off with the critic scores.

IMDb gave this a 6.5 out of 10.

Matt Craig gave it a 6.7.

Now, Nico, since you've been on the podcast, Last Candy's been getting good at guessing and.

Now that you've cursed me, I think I probably won't, but we'll see.

It make him go first though.

OK Nico, what do you think the Rotten Tomatoes critics scored this movie?

Try to rub around about the time.

You put.

So much a giant I generally can't remember for the critics thought of this.

That's a fucking problem.

Candy also beat you last time in the last episodes.

I think that was the first time.

It's probably going to be the only time, but I did.

I did do OK.

I'm guessing the critics wouldn't be high on this.

OK.

So I'll say 52.

52% OK Candy Rotten Tomatoes Critics.

I'm going to feel like they're higher, OK, But then again, it's been a minute.

So that's The thing is like guessing And also from my point of view, I'll go 60, OK.

Neither of yous are particularly close, but Candy is closer because the Rotten Tomatoes critics scored this 79% fresh.

I did not expect that.

That's wrong 79%.

See, normally I remember think critics are high in a movie that I like and genuinely I thought they hated it.

No, this movie wasn't.

Hated.

Yeah.

I'm not a very good weather vane on this one because I have my own bias.

Genuinely, this movie was well received when it came out.

This is genuine.

Like I know we've you guys have kind of ripped it a little bit and things like that, but this is genuinely considered one of the best Halloween movies out there and it was well received when it came out.

It was well received also, to the point where they then greenlit a trilogy.

So it was.

Definitely, I remember it was well received by folk going to see it.

I remember everyone's talking about but I don't remember the corrects being high in it.

I don't.

I don't remember seeing a lot of critics out there not being super critical of this.

I don't remember anyone the.

Thing is, like, I, I feel like where the score is now, maybe it's bumped up a little because of how bad this, the sequels were to it, you know, maybe that bumped the score up.

Possibly the current consensus, anyway.

Halloween largely wipes the slate clean after decades of disappointing sequels, ignoring increasingly elaborate mythology in favour of basic yet still effective ingredients.

We didn't even talk about the Cult of Thorn.

We could do a whole fucking episode on that.

We'll save that for our Halloween 5.

Episode.

Oh God, please never make me talk about that.

You're not really going to take me to every Halloween movie when we haven't even done a Freddy sequel.

Oh, he will.

And I will add more to the list.

I think.

Building a list of torture.

I'm building a list of torture things I can watch that I don't think either one of you can handle.

Challenge accepted.

OK, right, let's.

Remember, you, you've, you've.

This is your challenge.

You've got to find something that both of us will be disgusted by.

I don't think it's possible.

I'm going to try I.

Generally don't think it's possible.

Anyways, let's move on to the Rotten Tomatoes audience.

Candy, you go first for this one.

What do you think the audience scored this movie?

I'm gonna I feel like if the critics were so high on it, then the audience maybe is higher.

I think it seems to be the case 77.

77.

No, wait, that's.

Your mouth is shit.

You you just said it's going to be higher.

I'll.

Do half of my calculation it was higher and then wait a minute, I think people have come around so I changed are.

You sticking it out then?

77, yeah.

Multitask and like I told you, my family has texted me about my surgery because forgetting.

Me 77% then Nico, what are you scoring it?

Also texting.

See, I didn't think the critics were going to be that high, so I'm totally thrown off because now I think the critics are going to be hot, but normally they're lower.

So I'm totally confused because I had the number in my head and you're going to laugh.

It was 69 but but I'm now thinking it will be higher than that.

Would you care to share a number with?

US 70, I don't want to go higher at 70.

70 What did you say, Candy?

77.

77 the the last half of my equation.

Well.

I wanted to I wanted to go.

I'm 7 with.

The chick with the the equations going on.

See, I want I wanted to go 74, I wanted to go 74, but I thought that's like price is right in her and I don't I don't want to do that.

So I'll stick closer to my initial, but I thought in my.

Head right as you a million.

Times and you normally got it wrong.

You got it wrong.

That's me saying I don't want to do that, so I'm not going to cheat.

I'm not like that.

I'll I was going to say 74, but I'll stick at 70.

OK, well these are both much, much closer with this one.

The Rotten Tomorrow's audience scored this at 70.

If you say 4, I'll punch it 72.

Percent.

So Nico does.

Yeah, I still went too high.

I was like, I even took it down.

I was like.

Nico does take that one.

So a 5050 split this week.

Candy, you got the cracks.

Nico, you got the audience, 72% from our audience.

But yeah, they're they're high scores.

Critic of this film.

As always, we throw out to you guys at home, our followers, our listeners, our friends on social media and ask for some of your opinions and we read the best ones out on the show.

We're going to kick things off with former guests and very, very good friend of the show Nico Nice and Candy.

You're going to be upset.

I know, I know, I know my bro.

He is a huge Michael fan, yes.

So him and Sean are both, yeah.

So Nico gives this A10, it says.

This is my entry of the Halloween franchise.

Along with Carpenter's original masterpiece.

This was a lot of fun, had decent kills, a truly menacing version of The Shape, and the most badass Laurie Strode to ever grace the silver screen.

The Easter eggs to the other films a nice touch.

I'd also be remiss if I didn't mention the amazing score by Carpenter himself with the track The Shape pumps, Alison being the absolute example of a master at work.

So big.

Big.

One of the few moments or I could say Nico, fuck you.

You say on this podcast all the time, just.

Just to have.

That Nico.

Just a different Nico.

But Nico knows how I feel.

But I would like to publicly say fuck you.

Justin Loves Music also gives this a 10 out of 10.

So it does say that Kills gets a nine and Ends only gets a 5.

Our friends over the jury pod Monster gives us an 8.

This movie actually feels like a Halloween movie.

Crazy how that works for movies in the Halloween franchise since so many of them missed that mark.

I love the drawn out tracking shot and James.

Dude Courtney does a great job playing the shape.

Joe A says the franchise should have ended with this movie.

8 out of 10.

George gives that A7 says.

Think this works fairly well as a direct sequel to 78 Halloween.

It's some awesome moments, gnarly kills, familial chaos.

It comes together a bit messy, but the way it handles Michael's return to Haddonfield makes the movie feel warranted and rewarding.

Vika gives it a 7 out of 10.

Honestly, this is the closest anything's come to matching the original.

It's got flaws, sure, but still one of the best sequels the franchise has thrown our way.

Jeff Russell gives it a perfect balance of homage, sequel and fan service.

8 out of 10.

And then finally, our friend Newman over at the Movies For Days podcast also gives it an 8 out of 10.

A very worthy legacy sequel that justifies his existence by being really good.

Michael's actually scary writing works well, balancing tension and quirky comedy, and has an incredibly satisfying ending.

They should have stopped with this one.

The score also absolutely slaps.

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Right.

That just leaves the three of us.

Since this is my pick, I'm going to go last.

So Nico, let's start with you since you've not been on the podcast for such a long time.

And what are you going to rate Halloween 2018 on a scale of zero to 10?

So I like a lot of this movie, you know, I prefer other franchises over it.

And I, I was expecting to hate this when I walked in because I'm like, the only saving grace is going to be Jamie Lee Carris.

And I was surprised.

I loved the whole ending.

All the shit at the end is just fucking brilliant.

When it turns like that on a dime, it's just fucking like, that does it for me.

For that I'm going to give an 8.5.

What treat?

What treat?

Candy.

Here we go.

What are you scoring?

Halloween.

Bit 2.

This has been difficult for me.

My score has changed quite a bit, but it has one thing in common.

I'm gonna get to the score last.

I'm gonna say what I think.

First, this movie and, and this falls with almost all Blumhouse movies.

Almost all of them.

Mostly they hold your hand too much.

This, this movie holds my hand way too much.

The original Halloween worked.

It didn't have to hold your hand.

A lot of movies work.

They don't have to hold your hand and it doesn't.

And this, I mean, it's for all movies, sequels, requels any of it.

Any movie should not have to hold your hand.

This one, there's way too much hand holding and doesn't leave enough like nuance, I think, for any viewer to really get behind.

It's it's derivative.

It's and the only like original things it brings are the combi, which doesn't always land.

And I don't think, as Ian said, works in a horror film, especially like particularly, I mean a Halloween film.

Let me get that clear.

It doesn't always work, especially given the, you know, the like, the shaped kind of vibe and energy doesn't work.

There's just hiring a comedy director seemed to be the thing, you know, after Jordan Peele made a big splash.

But comedy doesn't always translate.

Comedy and horror can be really hard to do.

And if you're trying to pull off both, you have to be really good.

And it's not good.

And and yeah, it's not my favorite franchise, but I just think the film on itself is pretty weak.

It's it's I didn't have any suspense.

There were moments that could have been cooler.

Like we talked about the motion sensor cool kill.

I like, you know, the idea of it, but the like way it was played out didn't quite always work for me.

I hated most of the characters.

I did like Jamie Lake Curtis's performance as Laura started again, though, and I liked what they did with her.

I really felt like, and that played through the whole film.

That is an aspect that really worked for me.

But at the end of the day, the movie as a whole, we have a couple of villains, you know, we got the Shape, then we've got Doctor Sartain, and they kind of go nowhere with that.

The podcasters suck.

We were ready to see them and die.

It took way too long to kill them.

Yeah, just.

I just really don't think it worked.

It was way too hand holdy and preachy or something.

I don't know.

I give it a three.

That's the best I could do.

I was one off.

Oh, oh, Candy, that hurt.

I thought you hurt me.

I I was run off from a gas at

2:00.

No, no, because I I I have to think about other things.

Now, if I were rating this right when it came out like I did before, it was that.

But I have other things that the following movies to compare it to and I'm like, wow, that was worse.

That was a bigger piece of shit.

So I'll give this a three.

OK, so I, I, I'm going into this as obviously the big Halloween guy as the Michael guy.

We talked, I talked about it with you last week, Candy, you know, like, I don't feel like there's a lot of Halloween guys out there.

You know, you think you like, especially in our sort of little corner of, you know, social media and our podcast land, you talk to everyone you know and they're either Jason or Freddie or Leatherface guys, you know, and things.

Like that, I've got two friends who are Halloween.

There's you, there's Ben and there's Nico.

Sorry.

You're, you're kidding, Ian.

Like most of the people I know love Halloween over all the other franchise.

I, I, I'm the complete opposite.

And that's what I'm saying.

Like it.

Just like.

That's just my experience, Nico.

I know, but like you know a lot of people I know of, they do not talk to them.

No.

They are rare.

I don't talk to people, Nico, you know?

The fact that I know three of them is really insane.

Yeah, so anyways.

For some reason a lot of bouncers like Halloween anyways.

Put it that way.

I, I'm obviously going into this.

I went into this movie really fucking excited.

I remember going to see this in the cinema and I, it's possibly the, I was probably more excited to go and see this than I was to go and see Terror Fire 3.

And I was fucking stoked to go and see that.

Like I was so excited.

And like that I was saying earlier, that moment at the beginning where he's holding up the mask and he's screaming at Michael to talk to him and then boom, the score hits and you get that pumpkin.

And it's honestly, I just about jizzed right there in there in my pants in the theater.

I was so fucking happy.

I was possibly one of the happiest moments in my adult life.

It's so sad.

Listen, is this movie perfect?

No, it's far from it.

It's very it's it's messy.

This movie is messy.

I think what you were saying, Candy, about comedy directors and Jordan Peele.

I think that definitely holds some weight.

The difference is I feel like David Gordon Green kind of lucked out with this movie, whereas Jordan Peele actually is a good fucking director and and Jordan Peele also doesn't really.

I mean, there are obviously some funny moments in in US, I would say, but like get out, for example, like like these.

He's not making comedy horror movies, you know, And Us is also not a comedy horror movie, but obviously has a couple.

See the love of the genre, I think, yeah.

So like, that's where I see the differences lying there.

I think this movie, though, is by far and away the best Halloween sequel there is.

I think.

I think it's far surpasses all the rest of them.

I'm kind of with you Candy as well about Halloween 2.

It doesn't really sit right for me.

I get what you're saying, Nico, about the two kind of going hand in hand and being connected because they do, they very much do.

And I can totally see why someone would feel like that, but it just never really sort of sat right with me.

And three is obviously not my favorite, but I'll go what?

I'll go back and watch any Halloween movie.

It doesn't matter which one.

It doesn't matter if it's six.

It doesn't matter if it's resurrection.

It doesn't matter if it's one of Rob's.

Maybe not Rob Zombies Halloween 2.

No, I.

Think I'll probably give that one a miss.

I I went back and watched his original Halloween a few times.

I don't think I would ever go back and watch Halloween 2.

I think that's probably the worst of the worst for me, even worse than Ends.

You know, I've gone back and I've rewatched Ends a couple of times because it's my it's my franchise.

It's my franchise and I don't care like it's what it is.

I think there is some really cool moments in this.

I do think that took too long for the podcasters to kill.

I don't hate that we hate the podcasters because I think you do need those characters that you want to see die in a movie like this.

It just took a little bit too long to get to it.

And Laurie Strode is badass as fuck.

The score is incredible.

I really like some of the restraint they showed around Michael.

I think some of the kills are really cool.

I love, I really liked the motion sensor scene, for example, the teeth.

And you know, it was a really cool moment, like that whole sort of scene at the the service station really kind of did is kind of what felt like an old Halloween movie where you know, he's killing characters off in the background rather than it be in the main focus.

I.

Would have let him kill me instead of crawl in that bathroom floor.

And hit your head off the toilet pan.

But yeah, so I think this is really a great Halloween entry.

It's not a patch on the original.

It's never going to be a patch on the original.

And I'm not actually going to give it a score as high as Nico.

I'm going to give it a 7.5 out of 10.

You know, and what's interesting is I'm jealous of you.

I just want to say this really quickly.

I'm jealous of you because when they after a new Nightmare, I just really didn't need any more Freddy's movies.

Do we need new Nightmare?

Not really.

Freddy's Dead was good enough for me.

And I know I'm like the one person in the world who loves that movie.

But you know, when they announced after the travesty that was this Freddy versus Jason and all that, all that crap, when they announced that they're gonna redo Nightmare and L Street, I was not excited.

I was very like, no, please, please let it be.

Just let it be.

We've done enough bad so I wasn't excited.

And I really wish I could have been, you know, in my adult life to like, recapture, like the joy I had of any Freddy movie going out.

Like, I'm jealous.

Yeah, it was like, I, I genuinely had those sorts of moments and I, I like, I know I compared, I had those moments with terrified as well, to be fair.

But it was one of those things like it was like being a kid and going and seeing your favorite thing.

I was so, so excited.

Bear in mind, I was 27 years old when this movie came out, so I was in.

The baby, No 27.

I had my second kid.

I honestly was just absolutely, absolutely thrilled and I had such a good time in the cinema.

I remember I actually fibbed to my ex at the time who I was, who I went to go see it with because she really didn't want to go see it.

And I, I tricked her into thinking we were going to see that venom.

I can't imagine that went over well.

No, it it didn't.

It really didn't.

It really didn't.

Don and I have these.

I'll take one for the team kind of movies.

We mostly just watch horror, but every once in a while we have to have it like a serious discussion.

If you go see Fantastic Four with me, I'll go see insert a movie here.

Maybe he wasn't crazy about.

Well, there you have it.

That is our scores for Halloween 2018 and all of our scores combined with the critics and our listeners gives it an average score of 6.85 out of 10.

I have managed to drag it down.

And it means it is in 74th place of the now 138 movies that we have reviewed on the podcast.

So it's very much in the middle of the road there.

It's one place below Krampus and one place above Stir of Echoes.

So it's a very odd sort of sandwich that it finds itself in there.

Excuse me, because it's broken into our top 100.

That means a movie has had to to be removed from our top hundreds and I'm absolutely gutted to say it, but the movie that is now in 101st is Terrifier.

No.

The first terrifier.

I'll say this though, if I had to sacrifice a terrifier, it can be that one if.

I had to sacrifice a terrifier.

It'd be All Hallows Eve.

Oh, come on now.

OK, I was just thinking like the name, but yeah, that one.

And then Terrifier.

Which is funny because one place below Terrifier is Halloween too.

Interesting.

Which Nico?

Interestingly you gave a lower score to.

You give an 8 to Halloween too.

Yeah, I did say it's a conflict between these.

Yeah, yeah.

No, it's just, it's just just pointing it out Merely I wasn't criticizing.

It's like .5 difference.

The .5 of a difference, I only gave Halloween to A5 and candy, you've also given it A5.

So there we go.

So that is it that is going to do it for this episode.

It's the first of our Halloween episodes, first of our officially first of our proper spooky season episodes, and wow, what a way to kick things off.

Yeah, I.

Think we'll just leave it there, shall we?

Up next, it's Candy's pick for the Halloween episode, Candy.

What will we be reviewing?

We will be doing Night of the Demons, not that terrible remake one, the 80s version.

And I have cool shit to show because I have a lot of memorabilia.

I have cool stories.

It will be much more pleasant.

OK, I.

Mean much more I've.

Never seen that.

I've been.

I've also never seen the remake, no.

Don't.

It is.

It will ruin your life.

I've been told that by many, many people.

Yeah, do not.

It is.

You will just.

It will be a terrible day to have eyes if you watch that.

I feel like, I feel like after today we probably could do with an episode that just unites us.

Yeah, yeah.

Good palate cleanser in there.

The crowd pleaser not talked about enough Night of the Demons.

Oh, I thought you were talking about Halloween.

Yeah, it's definitely not talked about enough.

No.

But yeah, so thanks.

Good.

I think we could throw some pretty movies in there, yeah.

Yeah, definitely.

So, yeah, Night of the Demon up next though.

And then after that, it will be Nikos Pick, which we'll announce during the Night of the Demon episode.

And then, yeah, we're going to try and shift and squeeze in a couple of extra episodes into October for all you guys.

We're going to try and squeeze in an episode on the Long Walk, which we've all been to see very, very recently.

I feel like that could be the episode to unite us.

I I think.

We are going to try and squeeze in another top five, so stay tuned to our social medias because we're putting a poll out for that very, very shortly where we can pick some topics.

And yeah, hopefully we can have another great spooky season.

Any plans for Halloween guys this year?

Wow.

Recovering.

Yeah, Candy, obviously you.

You guys know my plans.

I just got them before we start as we were recording.

Honestly, Nico.

And I'm going to for the level of horror.

You are, you are.

Who are you most excited to go and see?

Linda Blair.

Linda Blair is traditionally known to not be very nice.

I don't give a shit.

It was bad.

I mean, she's she's angry.

She's got a vengeance in her.

I feel like is this, is this going to be another Alex Vincent?

Well, technically that was a question that was for you, but anyway.

But.

It was a but you said it didn't.

You, yeah, but I'm not going to be that dumb again.

For those who don't know, famously Nico pissed off Alex Vincent.

My Nico also pissed off Alex Vincent I.

Think Alex Vincent's just a pretty angry dude.

I think he's angry, yeah.

I was gonna say he's pretty angry guy, so it.

It was a fact he was glaring at me through the whole convention.

After that I I genuinely felt like going fuck you.

You like at one point you only asked.

My other Nico's so like both the Nico's I know have pissed him off.

Was was it the?

Worst thing was I was on his side.

You'd only asked.

What was it?

You'd asked him if you'd had any kids, if you'd, what was it if you wanted to have any involvement with the the remake or something, something along those lines.

I did he like it and if he had any, if he would, what would be in it?

What would he be like thing I.

Think that's a pretty reasonable question.

Is that pot?

I think it's.

An angry man.

But at that point as well, because that was quite a few years ago now, the reboot had only just come out as well.

It wasn't.

Long.

Yeah, he was.

He was basically advertising the fucking.

It was.

It was TV show.

It was fresh.

And yeah, that's right.

If the first season of Chucky had just started coming out, that was what it was.

Yeah.

Which only came out, what, a year or two after the remake came out, I think.

Yeah.

Because he he was basically saying if you've got a pirate, go watch the new fucking TV show.

It's better than all the other stuff.

That's basically what he was saying.

But yeah, as soon as I said that, he'd like.

He's definitely got short man syndrome.

I think he's the fucking.

I was gonna say that, but I thought I would not say it.

But you said it, so I'm.

Agree, I've seen the height of him.

It would take one squash, not even a head.

It was just a step and it's done.

He's, he's a, he's a, an angry little man.

Yeah, so.

Yeah, well, well, well, your bouncers shorter than me and he's a bit of foot taller and you're something wrong.

You don't like that team bruv Anyways.

You don't like that team?

Yeah, right, that is it for this week's show.

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I'm Candy the final girl.

You can find me on Instagram at Candy the Final girl.

It will lead you to all the other places.

Nice Nico is there pointing me, asking you.

No, just use it.

OK, I don't remember.

You can find Nico at Nico 22.

It's at.

Nico, 22, cross.

On Instagram, blue sky, blue sky threads, I don't know one of those find.

Them I think it's something like.

That he doesn't post much.

They're a bit of a bit of a technical, aren't you?

Isn't it really?

That was actually if anybody ever messaged that message back.

Just send Nico your feet, pecks.

We'll just go back to.

That Nope.

Thank you very, very much, Candy and Nico, for joining me on this episode.

It's good to be back.

It's good to have the three of us.

It might.

It might have been full.

Of nitrial, but I feel different.

Now, it might have been a mildly abrasive episodes, but you know, it's nice to have the three of us back, isn't it?

I just just getting that bad news right before it didn't help.

I feel like this hot army of the dad vibes.

Remember when Condi remember Nico Condi's first episode we made?

We made her.

Do I haven't?

Found Army of the Dad.

That's why there's some movies for him on the list.

The list.

It's like Chris Jericho, you just made the list.

Anyways, thank you very much once again to you guys for joining us and again to everyone at home for listening.

And until next week on the Pod of the Damned, just remember, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.