Hi everyone and welcome back to the Part of the Damned.

I'm your host Ian, and joining me this week is my Ghosts.

First up it is Nico.

How you doing buddy?

I'm good.

How are you?

I'm very, very good.

We have Nico's got a fun story from For the Love of Horror that he's going to tell us shortly, don't you?

Yeah, yeah.

Because because I saw Nicole last night and I and I said I would have to remind you to tell it.

So we'll tell it in a second.

But also joining us is Candy.

How are you?

I'm good.

Nice.

Well, we are all back once again and we're revisiting our top five series of episodes.

This is only the second one of these that we've done this year.

Yeah, because there was like a period there where we were pumping these out like I think at least like once a month for a while.

And it is like, I think our 8th or 9th, like top five episode overall.

But we've just, we've just not been good at getting them out this year in particular.

But we're here now.

And today we're talking all about your top five final girls.

Now, I feel like this could be #1 I feel like we're probably going to all have quite a few similar picks, but I feel like this is quite a divisive topic because I feel sometimes I feel like there's not really necessarily that separation between franchise and Final girl.

And I think there's a distinction to be made there.

But I'm sure we will very, very much get into it.

But yes, Nick, So Nico was at the For the Love of Horror Con Festival, whatever you would call it, and met a listener and met a listener of the show.

Yeah, I didn't believe that I was actually Nico.

In spite of and and Nico, what did you show them to try and prove who you were, Who you said you were?

I showed with Tartu, said Nico.

And the actual group chat that the three of us are there.

You showed and she's you showed her the official part of the damned group chat with all three hosts.

So what did you?

So what did you did She just think you'd made a group chat up and found two other people called Ian and Candy?

It was just a really quick conversation.

So we're like waiting for Linda to come out for the Q&A and that got console.

So so we're waiting for that.

And it was just I was sitting there with this random girl and a random guy.

They were yopping away and then was that she was talking about.

The funny part was I saved her name.

I'm sure you did, Nico.

It's, it's Kara.

And I thought but Kari, and obviously that's a wonderful name for you.

And it's Kara.

It's Kara.

So Kara, if you're out there and you're listening to this episodes, we're talking, we're talking to the real Nico and here we are saying hello.

So shame on you.

Shame on you for not believing our Nico that he was the real Nico.

But also at the same time, thank you for listening to this show.

I've never met like a part of the damned listener in the wild.

That's not someone like I already know.

I've never I've converted.

Some people like last night when the trivia thing happened, Sean and I saw Candy Man and he answered immediately.

I was kind of like waiting for the whole question to give everybody a moment.

And the guy came out just like Candy Man.

And whoever says this will get the correct, you know, get their answer And look at this big prize basket, which had free movie tickets and a whole bunch of other shit.

But we have the season passes, so we just gave the tickets to the kids.

But he was like, what projects?

And Sean was like Cabrini Green.

And then we had to restage it.

And they're like, how did you guys know that so fast?

It's like we're podcasting like, So what do you want?

I'm like pod of the dam.

And they looked us up.

People were like, you know, so we've got two stories.

I'm converting and Nico is is out meeting them in the wild.

That's it.

That's it.

You know, some of some some podcasters get famous on social media and things like that.

We actually hit the streets and we grab people by the collar and say listen to our fucking podcast, OK?

But yeah, I just thought that was a really cool story because like I said, it's not something I think it's not something I think you get to do very often is meet, actually meet a listener that like you say that we don't already know.

Because like, I know Nico, a lot of your friends, you know, you talk about a lot of people that you know, that do listen to the show and we both know have mutuals that listen to the show.

And Candy, I know obviously, like a lot of people, like from your side of the world who listen to the show and that as well, but you don't get the chance to actually meet them so very often.

So, yeah.

So despite the fact that she fully didn't believe who you were.

Thank you, Cara, for being a listener of the Pod of the Damned.

How was the rest of the cordon?

It was good.

It wasn't what I expected.

It was more like a signing fest than horror con, but it was basically like any other Comic Con except just for horror.

But the Q&A's is what I always go for.

I always love shit.

The best one was the Descent girls.

The Saint girls were fucking brilliant.

Yeah, I I really would have loved Ted Raimi.

Ted Raimi.

He was fun too.

Yeah, he's, he's character.

He's he's, yeah, he's, he's good people, isn't he?

So, and I've actually just recently been playing the Quarry, which is on my gaming channel, which is like a real time event kind of horror game.

And he plays a character in that and you know, he's really, really good in that as well.

So if anyone has.

He's getting more questions about that Quarry game than anything else.

The Quarry has been like fucking massive in the horror.

Like the horror gaming community.

The Quarry was a big, big hit in the last couple of years.

Because it's not just Ted Dream.

Lynn Shea is in it as well.

David Arquette is in it like it is docked and it is really fucking good.

Nico, if you haven't played it or I don't know if you've played it, Candy, do do do check it out.

It's it's a really good storyline.

It's really well acted like, and yeah, it's filled.

Lance Henrickson is in it as well.

I think.

So it's just fucking filled with like horror royalty.

So the person I was down there, Lisa, she was going about as well and.

I love Intruder and everybody's just like you've seen Intruder, yeah.

Well, the Quarry, if we're sitting there listening to his Q&A, Lisa, he was down there with, she's playing it.

She's like, it's a brilliant game and everything.

She was like gushing over like, what?

You're as well.

Yeah.

So shout to Lisa as well.

Yeah, definitely, definitely right.

Quick run through the socials.

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I think we we generally post clips of short indie horror games, but I've recently been doing a series on my way to start.

Been starting to record my series on The Quarry and that's going to be getting uploaded soon as well.

So please go give them a follow up Candy, where can you be found?

I am Candy the Funnel girl.

You can find me at Candy Funnel Girl on Instagram, Threads, Blue Sky, basically everywhere.

Awesome.

Nico, are you going to promote anything today or are you just going to tell people today?

Are you just, are you just going to dock?

You'll find me in the wild.

There you go.

You will find Nico in the sea.

I got like going at the sea.

I'm very well.

It's almost like we've been in the sea together, Nico.

There's nothing wrong with skinny dipping.

I really wish you were lying anyway.

I love being naked in the fucking sea.

You love being naked, full stop.

Yeah, that's why the camera is not on right now.

No, no, Nico, you haven't slipped back into your old ways.

Yeah, she has.

A pool and like we would wait for everyone to go to bed late at night.

And then and this started like when I was maybe 11, me and my mom and my aunt would just get naked insulin, get a huge pool.

I know that sounds weird like a family thing touching or anything.

I.

Was 12 years old, but you're making it work.

Yeah, yeah, you're, you're, you're really digging that hole there.

Like you're just making it worse.

Oh, Jesus.

Oh well, it's way way female cells.

It's way too cold now over here to be naked outside.

So no.

Yes, it fucking is.

Nico, have you?

It's been.

Yeah.

No, I'm not even going to get into.

It I know it's colder.

There than it is here.

It's it's cold here just now, yeah.

I've got my jacket.

On today, I've done the whole New Year's Eve.

What have you ever done that up here?

No, and I have no intention of doing it because I that's like a.

Big deal.

Like Scandinavia and like Swedish cultures, those they do that big plunge and it's like these real naked.

Jewels.

See, that's the thing, It's a mess.

They don't just plunge.

So what they do is they normally jump in a sauna, well, start even hotter than you normally would be.

They walk slowly at the water.

So I'm about for a bit and then go back into the sauna and just keep doing this over and over again because I've been over there, I've done it with them.

Wow.

There you go.

There you go.

So yeah, it's it's it's might be really good for your circulation.

I.

I'd just say my heart would stop or something.

It's better to help with that as well.

Yeah, it's supposed to be really good for like your blood flow and like blood pressure and things like that.

So.

But I will not be doing it anytime soon because I like to spend my New Year's Eve's indoors.

Nicole.

But.

Yeah, that's why I haven't done it in so long because normally working same as you.

Yeah, that's we're, you know, with the industry where in Hogmanay is like the busiest night of the year for us, so.

And for anyone.

Yeah, again, just, you know, because I forget that, you know, we have a lot of international people listening to the podcast.

Hawk Mini is New Year's Eve squash.

Anyways, right, Let's get into today's topic.

We're talking all about our top five final girls.

Now, we've done a load of different top five topics from Stephen King adaptations to overrated horror movies to underrated horror movies to witchcraft horror movies and 80s and everything else in between.

I can't remember all of the topics that we've done, but we've done quite a number of these.

And today it's the turn of Final Girls.

So as always, we will take it in turns to go through our list

from 5:00 to 1:00 and give a quick justification for why we have picked each of the people that we have.

Nico, would you like to go first this time?

So I feel like you don't really go first that often.

OK so my number 5 is Jamie from Halloween because she is actually a girl like it like I don't know it sounds bad but I.

Was like what do you?

Mean it puts more on it that it's a kid that's fighting them off and you know, I mean, it's it, it gets you more.

Especially when I was running about that age, I was like, fucking, you know, she's got to survive and she's got to get there.

And it's, it's just brilliant having a kid do it for a change.

And that's why she's my #5.

Interesting.

Now I don't, I don't have Jamie Lloyd, who is played by Danielle Harris, who Candy famously loves.

I love, I love to look at Danielle Harris, but you know, it's I was she's I think she's a similar age to me and our similar age to us.

I think she's in and around our sort of age range.

I have that.

I have Jamie Lloyd in my honourable mentions, Jamie Lloyd mentions.

Have some interesting.

Names but hers does not appear interesting, but I really did consider did consider maybe popping her into my 5th place because I I kind of agree with you Nico like we all we talk about final girls.

You think of teens like late teens early 20s you know and these these sort of like helpless damsels in distress and like that's obviously not going to be the case I think with any of our top fives because that's probably not why we've picked any of them to be our top five.

But I think the concept of it actually being a child taking on you know at that point because let's face it Halloween 4 for as much as you love Halloween 3 candy there was a clamour for Michael Myers to return to the screen and yeah it was really they took it in that really different direction.

Am IA fan of Halloween's four through well four and five.

And I'm probably more of a fan of them than I am of some of the other Halloween movies because you know, you've got resurrection in six and, you know, four or five or probably 2 of the actually slightly better ones, even if they have like the most ridiculous Michael Myers masks known to man.

And, and all of that sort of there's, there's very, there's big, big problems.

But I think as well for a child of that age acting opposite Donald Pleasants, who at that time, because Donald Pleasants was like fucking acting for the back rows in Halloween, the first one and the second one.

But by the time he gets to 4-5 and six, Jesus Christ, that man is like so animated and so over the top.

And I can imagine that being quite intimidating to like a young child who is sort of making our way in this sort of really big horror movie hit.

So yeah, I think.

Fucking pleasants.

That would be intimidating enough.

Yeah, exactly.

You know, I think, yeah, exactly.

So I actually think that's a relatively solid pick.

It's a fuck that she's.

I think she's a couple of years older than me, or like she's very close to my age.

She's yeah, I think she's, I think she's in her mid, mid 40s, isn't she?

So.

So anyway, it's, it was unique to see somebody like my age group fighting off the monsters and that's why she's definitely my #5 because it's so well done, I think.

And as you said, working against Pleasants as well.

Just fucking I would have been fucking terrifying.

Yeah, definitely.

All right.

OK, Candy, any thoughts on Jimmy Lloyd?

I know you don't have her anywhere on your list.

Consider her.

And you know, I, I, I'll give it to Nico.

Like that makes a lot of sense.

Look at you.

Look at you, Nico.

Agreement across the board at something you said.

That's not like I'm I'm fine.

We're going to end this episode right?

Mellow on.

It right Kanye, I'll, I'll save you for last this week, shall we?

I'll go next.

And my number 5 pick is Kirsty Cotton from the Hellraiser franchise, specifically Hell Raisers one and two.

I don't think she appears in any others.

I think she's in a bit of videotape in the third one maybe, but.

She's not in one of the ones later on.

Is she?

Does she I?

I'm not going to lie to you, Nico.

I've not seen all of the later Hell Raiser movies that a couple there that I've let slip through the net and I'm a OK with that.

I remember Roundabout, I think it's like 2000.

There was someone out Roundabout then.

Oh was that?

Was that hell raiser?

Was that deader?

It's.

Just ridiculous.

I think she was in that one roundabout then.

Every once in a while, right, I do get tempted to go and watch all the Hellraiser movies.

Not because like it's not no one looks.

I know.

It's like, I think it's a completionist thing.

And I kind of want to, I kind of want to see like I almost want it's a car crash and I want to see how bad it gets on a couple of them because there's a couple of like I haven't seen.

I don't.

I did.

That with paranormal activity recently.

Yeah, and.

We were just like we got to keep.

Going now I think is, is it how razor judgement is like I think there's a couple that's not obviously not got Doug Bradley as Pinhead.

Yeah, obviously that's not.

There's one that where it's not him and I've never managed to make it all the way through because I keep falling asleep.

The guy looks like I'm like, I don't mean this in any sort of nasty way, but like the guy looks really fucking weird.

Like, I don't understand.

No, but like he just doesn't have the Luke.

I think you.

Yeah, yeah, You know what I mean?

Like Doug Bradley has like such like Grace and the Luke personify and this whoever it is, I forget who it is, but.

He looks elegant on scared at the same time.

Plus the guy that does it, he just looks like it's like they've made them slightly jocked instead.

Compare the original and it's just like Nah, you know, like doesn't work.

But anyways, Kirsty caught and now I will preface this by saying that I actually prefer Kirsty Caught in the novella than I do in the movie because I think in the novella she's slightly.

She comes off as slightly stronger than she does in the movie and since I've read.

It but I.

Yeah, but I think she's a really, really strong character.

I know there is like a slight romantic interest with someone, but it's such like a backseat part of the story.

So we're we're really just focusing on on her for the majority of the movie because, you know, the center bikes get such a short amount of screen time and it's a lot about Julia.

And I think it's also quite good, like, you have this sort of female versus female kind of thing going on as well.

And they're both almost like they're not fighting over, like, the dad's attention because obviously Julia's too busy interested in Frank, but they're also a fighting over this sort of same presence, aren't they?

And yeah, I think she just comes off really, really strong in this movie.

And, you know, she doesn't really rely on anyone else.

If anything, she saves her romantic interest at one point, you know, so like, it does very much sort of flip that sort of classic gender role, I think.

And I think she does a really good job.

And again, like, you know, she's she's she's, you know, she acts it really well.

She gives us some really iconic moments and some iconic visuals.

So yeah, I think Kirsty Cotton is as my number five.

Thoughts, guys.

Because I I didn't even think of her that's fucking gotten baby, because I love how it is her too.

And I'm like, I'm like, what the fuck, you know.

Well, that's actually I think she's more dominant than that one.

Well, that's actually that's one of the one of the these.

Are good picks that I didn't even consider.

I'm interesting.

See, see, I really, I mean, I'm sure we will get some repeats and some same ones later on there's.

Definitely going to be something common, but you guys are bringing up ones that didn't even make my cut and I'm like why didn't I think of that one?

I.

Went that's why I'm like, just now, yeah.

OK, OK.

Right then.

Sorry.

Sorry Nico.

That's I'm just saying that's one.

I'm just surprised I don't have the top five.

I just never thought of.

Yeah, very good show.

Look.

Look at us.

Have we changed people?

Definitely not when it starts.

Coming to my, not my #5 but later on, I think that's where it's going to get really.

OK.

Well, and in the meantime, candy, please give us your number 5.

My top five, by saying I was very strict on what I considered a final girl.

My honorable mentions will reflect that.

Because there are things you probably be like, why is that there?

OK, it will be justified later.

But my number 5 is Ellen Ripley from Alien and the Aliens know specifically.

I really don't care much about the other Alien films.

Alien Resurrection was like the worst thing that ever happened to me.

Worse than AVP 2?

See, I didn't even get that.

I was like, I got to stop because I'm really getting upset.

But no, I mean, she's such a badass.

And even when they like sexualize her in alien at the end where she's running around in her underwear, like it doesn't feel like she's objectified because she's so fucking badass.

It it just, it works and I just and who does love her and aliens get away from her, you bitch, you know, like.

You say not was it not her idea or so, but to be in her underwear at the end?

It made sense.

I I don't really alien is not that's the thing.

Alien is not really huge for me.

I love aliens, but I don't know all the trivia.

So I just know that like, people have made the argument that Oh well, they sexualized her anyway.

And I'm like.

I'm not sense.

For her to be in her underwear because of the pods and you know.

I'm not sure if it was her choice.

I do know that they had to edit out her pubic hair.

Yeah, because she refused to like, shave it.

So I I knew that part.

I don't know if it was her.

No girl if.

That's what you want to do.

100% I.

Mean.

I never thing is puber care makes sense because if you're on hyper sleep your hair still grows.

Nico, Nico, you've been thinking about Sigourney Weavers pubic hair way too much.

I just.

Think no, no, I just mean it.

It makes sense.

Yeah.

Brazilian wax time period we're talking, you know.

I'm I'm I'm not going to say too much on this one because Ellen Ripley may make an appearance for me later on in this.

But that may be a was a surprise for people for from me not being the biggest fan.

Of I genuinely didn't think you would have Ellen Ripley anywhere on your list so.

Yeah, me either.

You're the.

Fuck out of her and I just watched aliens that was Aliens is my favorite so I really I got a lover.

Fair.

Any thoughts Nico?

Or do you have thoughts to say later on this one as well?

I'll talk about later.

OK, right.

So I know you, I know you'll have it.

So I'll just talk about that all.

Right, OK, OK, right.

That was our number 5 picks then.

So we fly, we go, we're going through this.

We always try and go through these relatively quickly so we can have a bit of a discussion.

Nico, what's your #4 pick?

So this one, you'll be surprised it's been so low because, you know, I love this franchise.

Nancy had to be on there.

So fucking like, you're probably thinking, why the fuck is it slow?

It's because there are better ones than her.

I think she's good.

I am.

Just happy it made your cut.

I'm going to say that.

No, I'm happy it's.

On the list she was always going to make the cut but fucking it's.

It's my favorite franchise and she is one of the better ones in it.

But the problem is the other ones that I've picked, you'll know what I mean by they're definitely better, OK?

And that's why she's slow down.

Yeah, yeah.

Because again, I think this is maybe going to be a universal one.

Again, I'm not going to say too much on this one either because I think I'll hold back.

Yeah, But I feel like Nancy is definitely one of those ones that kind of makes everyone's list, isn't it?

Like like there are three or four names, and This is why I say I think we're going to have a better crossover.

There are three or four names that will make like 90% of people's lives when people say final girls.

Nancy Thompson is one of those ones, isn't it?

That just immediately comes to to mind.

And for me, it's not even Elm Street, it's Elm Street three.

That really, really solidifies Nancy for me as being like an ultimate final girl, I think.

And she's.

Not.

No, I understand, I understand.

And I think we may have slight differences in terms of definitions of final girls because for me, a final girl doesn't necessarily have to be a final girl, if that makes sense.

I think, you know, like, but like, obviously like semantics and things like that.

We have different qualifications, but in terms of like Elm Street one, absolutely.

And yeah, it just backs up with a really, some really strong performances in the rest of the franchise.

So I think Nancy's a solid pick and I'll have a little bit more to say about that shortly.

And I will too.

And I'm just gonna wait.

OK, so there you go, Nancy Thompson for Nico at #4 So on to my #4 and this is maybe my one that's a little bit left field.

OK, I'm going for Gracela Domas from the movie Ready or not That.

One's good that that.

Didn't even think of that.

Well, that's a good one.

I heavily considered it.

I was just watching Mayhem, the Joe Bob version of with Smara weaving isn't that and like she's and I was talking about right here.

Not like that's bad.

And I mean, I fucking love Samara weaving.

Anyway, she's fucking right.

Let's spend the next 5 minutes all of us just drooling over Samara Weaving.

She gives off that I don't give a fuck vibe, you know?

I mean, that's hot.

Yeah, that's the thing.

Yeah, she definitely does.

And you know, she's well on her way to being like modern royal, modern horror royalty.

That's easy for me to say modern horror royalty these days with like things like Ready or Not obviously made cut.

And I think the fact that she would made a cameo in Scream 6 as like like opening kill as well kind of solidified her status as being like, I'm really well known.

Because obviously in the original Scream, you know, with Drew Barrymore and that was the whole thing.

The film was going to be centered around her.

When you see Samara weaving in your film, you think, OK, right, she's going to play a major part.

And she got that kind of star treatment, didn't she with that.

And I think in ready or not, she's she's so badass and ready or not and like that, like the imagery or, you know, like her and her like wedding dress covered in blood with like the shotgun and the cigarette.

And you know, she's, she's so fucking cool.

And that film, I think is wildly underrated as a movie, I think.

It's 100%.

That's one of my favourites, you know that I fucking love Ready or Not.

It's the bit with the demon at the end I fucking love, you know, I mean when the whole family is getting all killed and she just fucking like walking through like I don't give a fuck.

Like it.

She's brilliant.

She's also brilliant in the babysitter one as well.

Yeah, she is.

She's great in the babysitter franchise as well.

I think she's fantastic.

Like honestly, love love love Sabara.

We think I'm always happy.

Very good show.

Very good show.

Cool, any other thoughts from you guys on on that pic?

I would.

For fucks sake Nicole, of course you would.

She has a pulse anyway.

I would, I fucking would.

I, I, I challenge and I, I challenge you to find anyone who wouldn't, quite frankly.

Right.

There's got a tea to be subbed out there that would would.

Yeah, exactly.

I think the list that would wildly outweighs the list that wouldn't.

OK, so Gracela Domas, my number four pick probably I I'd deem it as like my slightly out there pick and you'll see why when you get to the rest of my list.

But candy, what do you have at #4?

I think you guys are going to be shocked by my list more so on who's on it, but my, I think my big shockers are going to be 3 in one, but four.

I'm just going to say it.

Lori strode from Halloween, OK, and despite my dislike of the 2018 one, I thought it was a really good showing.

Like what a final girl would evolve into, you know, having the trauma and the PTSD.

Like like every time she plays Laurie Stewart, whether I like the movie or not, she fucking kills it.

Laurie Stewart's a bad ass.

I love.

Her I think that's the thing, isn't it because we can have our differences opinions on things like 2018 and like the quality of movie that we think it is.

I think it's pretty good.

You don't, but Jamie Lee Curtis fucking brings it in that movie.

You know, she.

Always does.

And yeah, yeah, she's always.

He's the perfect match to Michael, you know what I mean?

Like the intensity?

Probably unsurprisingly.

Again, I'm not going to say too much on this one.

I think that I.

Bet you weren't expecting that one from me.

I it's not even that I don't know, I I'm still maybe I was actually expecting that to have it a bit higher.

I was just the way to say the same.

I was expecting to have a higher too.

Yeah, well, it's I when?

We get to my number one.

You're going to go what?

Because you will not see it coming.

But it's it's so obvious to me.

Well, we'll, we'll definitely get come back around on Laurie Strode in a little bit of time.

So top three time now.

Nico, background to you.

What's in your third place?

So this one's going to probably shock you a bit.

So it's from one of your favorite franchises and it's the remake of Evil Dead.

And it's Maya because fucking the the fact that it's so badass how she's fucking possessed and then she ends up fucking basically being the final girl after that.

You don't see it coming.

It's so good.

I have to hover on the list.

Well, she's.

In my honourable.

Mentions she's in my honourable mentions as well, but it was a strong consideration for me to actually go into.

Actually had her on the list as well and then I had like redone my list because I rethought it and I ended.

She ended up in the honorable mentions.

But I do agree, like, she's a badass and she does sort of kind of go through Ash's journey a little bit.

Yeah, you know, with the because that's, oh, I'm all right now.

But then you know the part where she like rips.

Her fucking that, like that, that that whole scene with the blood raining down and she's fighting the entity and you know, she's like, it's so it's so metal and it's I fucking love it and I love I love so I originally had her in 5th place and I bumped her for Kirsty Cotton.

But I mean, you guys know I fucking love that movie.

Like it's a it's a top 10 horror movie of all time for me.

Like it's.

One of my best date nights ever.

It's that was like the epic.

Film, I just think from beginning to end to take up to take a franchise like Evil Death, which is so unserious, particularly, you know, two and three.

It's so unserious at times and really make it into something serious but still somehow managed to keep that like essence of what it was.

Still out to me.

It was fucking hilarious.

I laugh at 4:00.

But it but it's hilarious in a completely different way to to what that original trilogy was.

But it's not.

That like what they call splat stage.

Yeah, but to still make it, and it's so disgusting.

It's so gory, it's so well acted.

It's for me.

I I know people think it's a controversial statement when I say this, but I think it's so beyond even and I adore the asked of the Evil Dead franchise, right.

I love Evil Dead too in particular, but Evil Dead just surpasses it in every single way in my opinion.

I think it just surpasses it in every single way.

I fucking love that that one.

Because we're still going to have that showdown.

We are, we are going to have that showdown.

And this is no slight on Mr.

Bruce Campbell either, who you know, we absolutely love.

But yeah, Mia Allen, definitely.

And you know that, again, some really incredible scenes from her and that, you know that scene where she's like licking the box cutter and like it splits her top.

Yeah, and it just saw people leave the theater.

God, it was amazing.

Yeah, that like, and that the whole movie, you know, when the, I can't remember the character's name, but when he's getting like the the needle slot stabbed in his face multiple times.

And then there's the chop it like the the Turkey cutter, whatever it is, you call it the electric cutter.

Electric knife.

Yeah, it's just, it's oh, you know what actually, see, once we're done recording this, I might go and watch it now.

Yeah, I.

Got I got a boner for it too.

Any thoughts on Mia Candy?

I I think I I just agree with everything like she's she's fucking badass and I bumped her for someone else as well so she was really close to making my actual.

Five, I'm a little and.

She'd be 6.

I am a little surprised that you had it, Nicole.

Why I just I knew you'd be surprised, but I I told you you'd like She makes up a.

100% I just thought there would be more other ones that you would pick ahead of her.

OK, well, there you go.

So Mia at #3 for Nico.

So moving on to my #3 and we can, we can have this conversation now, at least from my perspective, because my number 3 is Nancy from A Nightmare on Elm Street.

Fully agree with everything that Nico said earlier in the episode.

I think if you're talking like quintessential final girls, so you know, we're we're obviously bringing in some of our other favorites and people that we think deserve to be in the conversation.

But I think there are two or three that can just be defined as a quintessential final girl.

And Nancy is one of them, isn't it?

They're one of those ones.

When you say those words, Final girl will spring immediately to mind.

There are three or four faces that will immediately spring to mind.

And Nancy is one of them, and for a good reason as well.

She does go a bit, you know, home alone on, you know, Freddy Krueger towards the end of the first movie.

But I'm OK with that.

And then obviously, she comes back.

Everything right?

Exactly.

And you know, you think.

Like real world.

Mechanics are going to fly right Yeah.

And I I also kind of, I don't know if this makes it even better.

The fact that Heather Lung come, they didn't really go on to have like a huge acting career and, you know, decided to focus on some other things as well.

I don't know if that maybe even makes it like a little bit better because she sort of comes in, she gives these performances, she becomes an absolute icon.

You know, Heather Lionel camp doesn't need to work another fucking day in her life because she's Nancy fucking Thompson.

She can go around and just be Nancy at cons and sign things and take photos.

Stuff like the 2004 Dawn of the Dead.

Yeah, 100%.

She still works in film works.

Yeah, doesn't have.

To act if she doesn't want.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

And there's some, I think there's something a bit fucking cool about that as well.

So yeah, Nancy was one of the first names on my list.

I think it was more just a case of where on my list she was gonna come.

And I'm Fort like I I've considered her for a higher position, but the two that I've picked obviously for me just a little bit better.

And I think if anyone listens to the show, they could probably figure out who my top 2 are by now.

So anyways, I think.

My my top one will surprise people I think.

My my and my 3 might surprise some people too.

Won't.

OK, well why don't you hit us with your #3 then?

I have to think really hard on this one because I couldn't, even though this final girl is not my favorite and we are talking Nightmare on Elm Street here, but I'm not it's not Nancy.

I had to put Alice because she's the only person whoever faced Freddy twice and survived.

And I was like, you can't really deny that.

Now obviously, Nightmare on Elm Street four and five are inferior.

Too.

Well, you could say that again.

I'm a big fan of the franchise.

Everybody knows that that's my franchise this night right on the street.

So I I just really can't deny the fact that Alice beat this motherfucker twice and she is the most unlikely type of character that you would think would be a final like to to do it twice.

Like she's very meek and mild like in form the dreammaster.

She's everybody, all of her friends and her brother who dies like she gets all of their like abilities and invasion.

And then you know her, her boyfriend Dan survives and then he gets killed by Freddie and five and she's pregnant with this kid.

She has to protect herself and her child and she does that and then we just never hear from Alice again.

But it's like, damn, she did it twice.

Like I I gotta respect that.

That's fucking badass and from the least seemingly badass of the final girls, I think.

That's a really interesting pick.

It's It's not someone I even remotely considered.

Yeah, same.

It's a good show though.

It's cool.

Yeah, I really had to think about.

I'm like somebody faced Freddy twice and lived both.

Times.

That's it now.

Technically Nancy did, but not really.

Yeah, because I mean for me, and this is what my personal criteria is, she did die, unfortunately in three, But she doesn't.

She doesn't.

Come back as herself, as Heather Kanekamp, A fictionalized version of herself, A new Nightmare, which was the 1st Wes Craven meta before spring, so I didn't really count.

New Nightmare, you know?

Yeah.

Are we pro New Nightmare?

I like new nightmare.

OK I'm pro new nightmare but I'm.

I'm my controversial 1 is being pro Freddy's dead.

I love Freddy's dead, I fucking love Freddie's dead and that was a crazy, like I went to the album to see it and people like turned out real under 3D glasses and shit.

It was amazing.

Like I.

Thought I was the only person.

Everybody shits on me for that.

But yeah, Alice is a really interesting pick.

Like I say, not really someone that I had considered a tall.

Outwardly badass like the other girls.

That's why I was like, I really need to put her in there.

Yeah, and I think there is something to be said for having like those different types of characters in there as well.

Because I think, I mean, it's about looking at my list and I'm, I'm probably going to stretch out and say looking at most most of what Nico's probably going to pick.

I think badass kinda is a bit of a criteria.

I can't, I don't know if I would call Jamie Lloyd particularly badass in Halloween's 4:00 and

5:00, but I think, yeah, definitely.

But I think for me, it's it's kind of being a bit of a criteria because, you know, again, it's the whole, I think the whole point of being a final girl is to sort of buck these like old traditional gender ideologies and then gender roles and, you know, be something that specifically women haven't always been perceived as being.

And I think it's important that they do that.

So but at the same time, I think it's also important to, like you say, have this character that maybe isn't as outgoing or as outwardly badass, but still has the abilities and the capabilities.

And it's a kind of a wider message as well to everyone as it doesn't matter.

Like you don't have to go out there and be kicking ass to actually kick ass, you know?

So yeah, I think it's important.

Nico, any thoughts on Alice?

It's a really good show.

I never even contemplated that one, to be honest.

And yeah, surviving Freddie more than once is on a definitely a couple from like you said, like.

I'm really glad that we've all sort of, we've all at least had like a Peck or two that I've like kind of surprised everyone because I really, I mean, we might, I might have, I might change that might change when we get into our top twos in a minute.

But I'm very I'm very happy that we've all seemed to pick at least one or two that haven't gone appear in everyone else's.

So those were our number threes, right?

Second place time.

Nicole, what's in your number two spot?

Well, it's one or two.

You know which one, so have a guess.

Is it?

Is it Laurie Strode?

It fucking is.

Right.

OK.

Can I, before you get into it, and this might, and this might surprise people, I'm just going to say it right now because my number 2 is also Laurie Strode's.

Yeah, I really thought she would be your number one.

I'm going to be.

Honest, I'll let Nico go first.

No, no, I'll let Nico go 1st and then I'll.

Everyone knows what his number one is.

Mine as well, so yeah.

Oh, I say, are we going to have the same number one?

I think we are but.

I feel pretty confident that I'm going to be different on that one.

Nico, why?

Why did you pick Laura Strode though?

Fucking badass fucking final girl.

She's the one that fucking made that the trend of the fucking final girl in my mind.

You know, I mean, it's like she's the final girl from, but the problem is there's one badass motherfucker.

It's in my number one spot that's better than her.

So, yeah, so I think I think I don't know if both of you is maybe not unique because I don't know if you maybe thought the same as me.

I know kind of you definitely thought that Laurie Stewart was going to be my number one, probably due to the fact that I have a tiny bit of an affinity for the Halloween franchise.

I don't know if you've noticed a.

Little.

Bit but yeah, I think when Nico says there for me is kind of important like Halloween.

It wasn't the first slasher movie, but it is the slasher movie.

It's it's the slasher movie that popularized all slasher movies.

The slasher boom that we did.

It did.

And still to this and let's be real, for as much as we love Jason and the Friday the 13th franchise, Jason is just knock off Michael Myers and we'll never never, ever let him forget that.

But yeah, like it's the the slasher of all slashers and therefore it's the final girl of all final girls.

Isn't it like well, again, that that's what that's obviously the other person that I was referencing.

When you think of the words final girls, you think of Laurie Strode, you think of Nancy Thompson.

You know, these are the two in particular for me that like they are the first faces that come to your mind.

There's so many iconic moments in that first Halloween movie from Laurie Strode.

And then she also went on to to start are in the franchise on a number of different occasions with varying levels of success in terms of the movies.

Halloween too.

She you know, she's drugged up as a character for most of it.

She gets to be pretty badass in H20, to be fair, like her like her hate that movie.

She does kind of get to be pretty fucking badass in it.

I know we've obviously rat conned it.

Now resurrection obviously is what it is.

You know, Jamie Lee Curtis is very vocal about her hatred for that movie and wanted to be in it as little as possible, which is why she's killed off in the opening scene.

And yeah, like, she comes back in our recent trilogy.

And again, for better or for worse or however you feel about those movies, it's undeniable that Laurie, Jimmy Lee Curtis does a really fucking great job of continuing to be this badass bitch that we know she is.

And Laurie Strode especially, I think in the 2018 version, I think maybe slightly less so.

And Kills and definitely less so it ends because she barely features in it.

But you know, I just think All in all, she is the face of final girls.

But as Nico said, there's one other person who I just think is a little bit more badass and a little bit fucking a little bit.

She's my number one and she, she was always going to be my #1 / 100%.

But we'll get to that in a second.

Candy, what's your #2 pick?

My number two pick has already been spoken for Nancy Thompson, one of my favorite parts And and you know, I use the moniker Candy the final girl because in my real life, not I'm not going to get all serious on you, but like because I've spoken about it in the past.

I I am a real life final girl in a situation.

And so Nancy is just the one I identify with the most and how she just beats Freddy is honestly super bad ass because it's mental.

Like she's like, I take back every bit of energy I ever gave you and you like basically, you can't fucking hurt me because I won't let you.

Like literally reminds me to say fuck you.

And that's it.

You know, that's how she does it.

And that to me, that's mental badassery.

And that's on top of all the other shit she does.

She brings them into the real world.

She makes it so he can get hurt.

But then she realizes, you know, the real way to, to stop this guy is to just not feed, feed him anything.

Don't give this motherfucker shit.

So I, I really respect her.

And it's weird because I really originally when I started the list, I went straight and everyone was like Nancy.

I was like, but then one other person came to my mind.

So yeah, Nancy's too.

That's what I thought would probably surprise people.

I love her so much.

And my one and two are so close together, but there was just one person I had to place above her.

But yeah, Nancy, we've all said what we think about her.

She's on all of our lists for a good reason, just like Lori.

So there you go.

So Nancy Thompson, not the only name to feature on all of our lists, but one of only two people to feature on all of our lists so far at least anyway, and all in varying positions.

Niko's had Nancy at 4:00.

I've obviously had her at 3, and you've got her two candy.

Not not Nancy from the 2010 remake, guys, no.

That's not a real movie.

We're just going to go with that.

OK.

So yeah, Nancy Thompson.

And like I say, I think it's a testament to what I was saying earlier as well about these are the faces that you just immediately think it's Nancy, it's it's Lori.

So right.

It means though it's number one time.

Nicole, would you like to reveal who is your number one final girl of all time?

Well, do you want to reveal yours at the same time?

OK, well we do a countdown or candy, you can do the countdown.

Give us a countdown and we'll say our names.

321.

Go Ellen Ripley, we've.

Already talked about our pubes, it's fine.

Yeah, yeah.

For me, it was, it was always going to be Ellen Ripley, I think, especially in Alien.

I love her in Aliens, and obviously she gives us such great lines.

Everyone knows I'm probably in the slight minority that prefers Alien to Aliens, even though Aliens is an utter masterpiece of a movie.

Yeah.

But I just think.

I don't think you're in the minority with that, by the way.

Like it is generally split quite evenly.

Opposite way like I one of the I think the minorities of people who prefer aliens, which I somehow fall into and it doesn't make sense for the type of movies I like.

Anyways.

I think it depends on your age.

So a lot of folk that are older prefer aliens, but a lot of the younger ones nowadays are catching up with alien.

Maybe maybe because obviously, like when Aliens was first released, everyone was that little bit younger, maybe tickled that sort of like more action, the itch that people might get when they're a bit younger.

But anyway, and you know, fucking Bill Paxton and and and Lance Hendrickson and everyone being fucking amazing.

But anyways, yeah, Ellen Ripley is for me the ultimate badass.

She takes no shit off of anyone.

Any fucking point in these movies.

She just, she just fucking owns the screen.

She's she is in charge.

You can, you know, I think they'd maybe attempt to make her seem initially quite like fragile maybe, or quite shy.

But as soon as like a situation arises, she's just there in control.

She's so fucking badass.

That whole final act in Aliens where she has to go and rescue Mute and like you were saying.

I love her interaction to look.

Mute Yeah.

And that's the thing as well, because she's so badass and we obviously know throughout storytelling that she has a daughter back home, but we never obviously get to meet her.

And she's so motherly when, you know, she meets Newt as well.

And it's really quite nice and sweet and tender.

But at the same time, she's also fucking like, like so badass.

She's fucking gorgeous, like all of these things.

Like she just is everything.

She is everything like, and that's why she's the number one for me, because she is everything.

Any criteria you throw at why someone is a final girl, why they're a good final girl.

Alan Ripley qualifies for every single one of them, and that's why she's my number one.

And like you say, I caught like, line, like, get away from her.

You bitch is possibly one of the, yeah.

It's also one of the most quoted lines in cinema history as well.

And again, I think it's a it's, it's a, it's a character that transcends horror and into the wider film verse as well, you know?

So yeah, Alan Rhett play #1 for me, Nico.

Like, yeah, like it's the evolution of her.

It's the whole thing how she gets she's just an ultimate bothers.

She's she's like the irony of fucking aliens, you know what I mean?

She's like the the go to for.

It's fucking brilliant.

Yeah.

And even the shit ones she still is decent in the shit ones.

Unfortunately she dropped.

Can't drag them out the shit.

Yeah, resurrection.

Yeah.

Like that bit with the basketball, you know what I mean?

Just.

Thinking that where she throws it in there.

Yeah, it's, it's so cool as fuck.

But the movie is a piece of shit.

But she's still the ultimate badass in it.

She just fucking throws it right over her head and it goes straight in and you're like, it's just cool as fuck and it oozes cool.

And again, like I was saying earlier about Samara Weaving getting that like star treatment in Scream 6, you know, Sigourney Weaver has a habit just popping up at the end of horror movies for like little 3 minute cameos and things like, you know, Cabin in the Woods.

That's my favorite one.

I was just doing a theatre.

She.

She doesn't.

Paul as well.

I don't know if you've seen that movie, Candy.

Yeah.

With us.

Yeah, she does it in Paul as well.

It's not a horror movie, but you know, she just shows up at the very end for a brief little 3 minutes.

And I think, again, that's a testament to just how I how how big a star she is.

Yeah, because she's fucking Sigourney Weaver.

Do you think she'll ever return to the Aliens franchise?

Do you think we'll ever see it again?

I think.

They need to leave it alone for a.

While it's it's got a lot of treatment lately as a franchise, it has but.

I just think it would be to its detriment to bring her back right now if they would like they're doing their own thing right now and like.

And they're doing it well, I think is at the moment and.

I so I think that continue to do that for a bit then bring.

Her in too soon.

Do you know what I would like to see?

I'd like to see her in like the Predator one since it's a shared universe now.

Could you imagine Ripley taking on a Predator?

Are you trying to tell me, Nico, that you're asking for a new Alien versus Predator movie?

Oh no, no, that's not what.

I said like.

You know how you know predators go?

And have you seen the new anime One that did?

I've not seen it, but I've seen clips.

I saw the the trailer for the newest Predator film last night.

I'm not excited for the new Predator film.

I'm not gonna lie.

Dawn is.

Excited I am, but this is the thing, right?

But.

It's not my.

Thing, but I think we've lost Nico there a little bit.

Yeah, he'll pop back in in a second.

And I'm really not excited for the new Predator movie.

I love Predator.

I think that first Predator movie is a complete masterpiece of cinema, which is not something I think you can really say to a lot of Arnold Schwarzenegger movies, but I just think a Predator's fucking ace.

Predator 2 I think is overheated as well.

I just think it's an overheated movie.

AVP.

You could never get into them.

Yeah, the AVP's are alien.

But I think this is like the influence of my mother.

I'm not.

I'm really happy, Dad.

You know, my mom was a big alien and so, you know, so I saw that more often.

Well.

That was the thing growing up, I was always a bigger Predator fan than I was an Alien fan.

But I was expect like she we, you know, of course did Predator, but it's like like we would watch it and stuff.

And I've watched Predator 2 with her.

But like then we just kind of fell off, like it wasn't really holding us and we would just rewatch like Alien and then Aliens.

So yeah, it's not mine, but yeah, the Avps are our trash and most of those sequels that came after it were our trash.

I really fucking loved Prey, I must say.

I.

Know you like prey.

I tried.

Sean was like so into it.

That's his thing.

He loves Predator.

Yeah.

And we tend to be more alien.

And me and my son actually are just like Event Horizon all the way.

Like if we're going sci-fi.

100%.

We're doing event Horizon.

But yeah, I've not, I've still not actually seen Alien Earth yet.

So I've been kind of like saving it up a little bit to try and like, I know it's obviously, I think, I think it's all aired now, isn't it?

But I've kind of like saving it for like a rainy day.

I will.

I'm on holiday for work for a couple of weeks in a week's time.

So like, I'm going to use that time to watch, to binge all of Alien Earth.

So yeah, it's, it's, I know obviously everyone obviously thought I was going to pick Laurie Strode, but it was never, ever going to be Laurie Strode for me.

It was always going to be.

Because I like I said, I knew my 5 would shock you that I put her on the list, but like you can't nod.

You can't know, isn't it?

Because like, yeah, exactly.

She has everything.

I think Nico Nico is back.

He's connecting.

To us.

Oh, he's not back fully.

OK, there he is.

There he is.

There we go.

For some reason got kicked out.

Yeah, we don't want you.

Asking for the password again we.

Don't want you on the podcast anymore.

Oh.

We didn't see the message.

I'm sorry my list is on my phone and I was looking like.

You actually just kicked Nico out of the car.

The.

List is on my phone.

I didn't see him asking for the.

Password.

Oh, OK, I.

See it now?

OK, Nico, before we move on then give you a chance again, anything else you want to say about Alan Ripley?

So what I was trying to say there was fuck it, the the new Predator, the automated one.

There's a bit the end that folk have watched they'll know about and they I don't know anyone who wouldn't think Ripley would fit into that.

But, and that's why I would like to see that.

I'm not talking about a crossover with Alien versus Predator because the reassured universe.

I'm saying she should be in her own Predator movie after what's happened because the way the stories went would fit perfect to start off another Alien versus Predator.

OK, interesting.

Interesting.

I have no interest in ever seeing another Aliens versus Predator piece of machine you'll ever get in my entire fucking life.

The problem with Alien versus Predator was they were comic books were so good, like so, so good these versus movies that.

They're like fans really want.

They always fucking shit the bed with them.

But if they'd followed any of the comics, it would have worked perfect.

Has there ever been a good versus movie apart from Freddy versus Jason?

No.

That's not.

Good.

Either that's that's definitely probably the best one.

I got a Cockney's versus Zombies is pretty good, Nico.

King Kong versus no Godzilla or gamer.

Movies.

Good, that can.

There you go.

That can be our listener question of the week.

Has there ever been a good versus movie IE Freddy versus Jason IE Batman?

Versus Godzilla, you know, or if you.

Want to go behind you on it?

Like Godzilla versus Mothra or?

Something yeah, it doesn't.

It doesn't have to be horror.

It doesn't have to be horror.

If there's been any good non horror versus movies.

So yeah, let us let us know what you think.

Superman versus Batman, not sort of like a thing.

It's it's still in the same DC universe.

Yeah, that's fucking horrific.

Oh.

God it is, but it's their versus movie, really.

OK, well anyway.

Start up with Justice League.

Yeah, people can last know, right?

Just one choice left to go.

And now I'm intrigued.

So, Candy, what's your number one pick?

OK, thinking along the hard about it, I had to go with Sally Hardesty from Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

OK.

Bad ass.

When she's running like and does not stop.

She does not stop when she's running from the other face.

She jumps through 2 fucking windows and she runs and runs.

I mean, she's running from like a gigantic dude with a real chainsaw.

Gunner Hanson, you know, using a real chainsaw.

She's running, running, running.

And with that moment and when she's on the truck and she's kind of laughing and crying and screaming like that's so real.

She's so real for that.

And that's The thing is like everyone dies but her just because she doesn't suck.

Like we see this trope where, you know, a woman is running from the killer and it's in particularly in flashers and they keep falling down.

It's like she just every time she slips, she just gets right the fuck back up and runs, runs like, you know, completely she's injured.

She has been, you know, at one point is, you know, tied down to a chair.

Like she gets through everything.

There's nothing stopping her.

I just, it's so impressive.

And every time I rewatch Sexist Chainsaw Massacre, which I do often because it's such a great piece of cinema, but I mean, just the you never see that it's real.

It's not like she's just this complete badass fighting him off like she's running for her life.

And she like genuinely hurt herself, didn't she?

When she like I mean.

That was so low budget there using a real chainsaw.

It's in Texas heat, which let me tell you, I mean, I lived in Texas for a couple of years.

It's no fucking joke.

It will melt the the bottoms of your shoes off.

And and just that that's when they were filming and they all started kind of getting loopy and feigning and Gunner Hanson, you know, he's suffering from like heat exhaustion chasing her with a real chainsaw.

Like that was some real shit.

And I think that's why it translates so well because she really was fucking scared.

But to jump through two real windows like.

Wow, that's where she hurt herself, wasn't it?

Jumped me through the windows.

Yeah, she really did hurt herself.

But listen, Sally Hardesty is in my honourable mentions.

I you can't, I could not put Sally Hardesty in my honourable mentions.

See, you're, you're going to hate me because me, not for me, you know, I mean, like she's, she's all right, but she's not like the, she's not like the final girl taking them on and kicking the show out of them.

And that's what I liked about trying.

To be different with it, I would, I think Sally Hardesty, like in a real life situation and as like where you have to survive.

That's a very realistic portrayal of it.

Oh, I get that and I agree with you on that.

But that's where.

The respect comes from for her because you know, my final girl experience was very much like that, you know, like you do what you got to do to survive and if you get hurt, you don't even think about that.

You don't feel the pain.

You fucking go, you go and you go and you get the fuck out.

And that's she's so real for that.

And it was just really well shot for.

Having no money and and the portrayal was.

Just I think.

I think The thing is as well like and.

They feel that that's a very subjective.

In terms of that, like realness as well, I think I'm just having a quick look at our lists.

It's the only final girl on our list that isn't dealing with anything that's supernatural or alien or something like that.

It's just people.

It's just a family as well.

And I think that definitely adds into that sort of real grittiness, doesn't it, of the move the whole movie as well, Not just obviously our character, but the whole movie.

So yeah, listen, I think it's a great pick.

I fucking love Sally Hardesty.

Not so much in the Netflix 1.

I just pretend that's not real because I was fuck it.

One, it was bad, just bad.

That's that's the worst thing.

But the second was to be like, oh, well, you know, like they brought back Glory shirt and Halloween.

We're going to bring back Sally and then they immediately kill her.

I'm like, no, you're not going to do my girl like.

That Yeah.

Nico, do you like the Netflix TCM?

No.

Nobody does.

I, I know, but I just feel like if there was ever going to be a person who might say yes to that, it might be Nico.

No, there was there was that girl that was in your work that when you were doing the pop quiz she said she liked.

It did she.

Oh God.

And I was like, out of all the ones, because that was the one she said she liked the most.

Have I sacked her or have I sacked her now?

No, it was one of the girls.

It was like a wee fan club that you had.

Oh like no, I thought you meant staff.

No, no.

All right.

There is varying degrees of how Texas Chainsaw Massacre scandal doesn't franchise.

It's very mismanaged.

Yeah, yeah.

But no, I, I, I think Sally is a is a great pick.

When we get to our, I think a lot of people will be screaming at us because I think there's one glaring.

Is an interesting choice, Isn't?

It yeah, it's an interesting point, I.

Was really shocked that you didn't have her but then again I thought wait.

There's one glare for some people.

It's not glaringly obvious to me because I didn't think they deserved a position in my top five and clearly used to didn't either.

None of us picked Sydney Prescott.

Yeah, because we're not babies.

So I'm you've seen grown up movies.

So I do.

I do have Sidney Prescott in my honourable mentions.

Do not get me wrong, if if we're like 10 year younger than you should have probably been up there for everyone, but we're of the age where we've actually seen horror movies.

So it's, it's, it's like, yeah, it's, it's like, fuck it, you know, I mean.

I think.

I think.

Going against the tropes on purpose, you know?

And it's kind of like, to me, it puts it in a whole different.

She just doesn't function.

She is a final girl, I'll admit that, but she's not for me, OK?

She's under my honourable mentions.

I think she's still like a very, very iconic role, especially within horror and obviously well beloved because I think, you know, when I was talking about that, like who are the faces you instantly see?

You see Nancy, you see Laurie.

For a lot of people, Sydney is the other one, isn't it?

Like, and they really, really do love her.

So I think I would have been remiss of me to not have a mentioned Sydney Prescott at any point during this episode.

For as much as you know, I have my issues with the Scream franchise as a whole, and especially since I've mentioned, especially since I've mentioned.

If you're around about 30, if you're around about 30, she'll be high in your left.

I mean, I'm 34 and she's not on my list.

Yeah but you are watching shit when you were a kid not.

Everybody's as into horror as us and and Sydney is very accessible to a lot of people who maybe it, I mean we're so hardcore into it.

We're just nerds.

You know, do you know, do you know what Sydney is?

Sydney is the salt bar of fucking horror movies.

She's the the shittest weed that you get for the first time ever and she's like the gateway drug, you know what I mean?

She's it's like, we're already on Croc at this point.

Sydney's, Sydney's like, you like your first token, You're like, oh, this is quite good.

Are we talking about the drugs or some of our final girls?

Nicole, hey.

Definitely beyond their cracks.

Anyways, right before we go through any of our other honourable mentions, a quick recap then guys.

Nicole, recap our listeners of your top five, please.

I've got Jamie from Halloween, non safe from nightmare on Elm Street, Maya from evil dead, Laurie from Halloween, and Ripley from aliens.

22 Halloween picks from Unico.

I'm so, I'm so proud of you I'm so proud of you Nico.

My top five and 5th.

I like Halloween, you know that I I prefer, I prefer Friday the 13th, but I still like Halloween.

I know I prefer A Nightmare on Elm Street.

No, no, none of us.

No, no, Friday the 13th.

Love for any of our Friday?

What was that candy?

Not yet.

OK.

What was that candy?

That was what you said there?

No, Before that.

Oh.

I said we're all representing, We all got our franchises that we love just a little bit more.

And you know, we're representing 3 different franchises here, so.

That's cool.

Yeah, not really, because I'm more Nightmare in Elm Street.

I'm the same as.

You, oh Nichols, make up your mind because.

I thought you just said Jason.

That's cool, because then that leaves me as.

The nightmare now.

Well, I like Jason, but The thing is right, I like all three.

We like we all like all three.

We each.

Have like a little bit more love for one day.

But my favorite is always Freddy.

Well that's cool.

You never forget your first love.

Yeah, yes, I mean you are wrong, but it's fine anyways.

My my.

As the oldest, I would like to set note.

Well, as the baby of the podcast, I would like to stop my feet and say yes, right?

My top five in 5th place, it's Kirsty Cotton from Hellraiser, Grace Ladomas from Ready or Not in fourth, Nancy Thompson from Elm Street in 3rd, Laurie Strode from Halloween in 2nd, and Ellen Ripley from the Alien franchise in #1 candy.

Your top five and number.

5 is Ripley from Alien, 4 is Laurie Strode from Halloween, 3 is Alice from Memorial St.

Four and Five, two is Nancy Thompson from Nightmare Elm Street, and #1 is Sally Hardesty from Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

So there you have it, our top five final girls.

And I'm really like, obviously we all had what there was three that we all, we all had Ellen, we all had Laurie and we all had Nancy.

But I'm really happy that like we all picked like a different 2 to go in there as well.

And like a really different like variation, a couple of modern ones in there, a younger one from Nico.

Like, yeah, I'm really happy about how our top fives are folded out because I was a little concerned, not going to lie, I was a little concerned that all of us would pick the same 5 people.

I'm not going to lie, I thought like there was going to be 3 that were going to be in there.

I thought somebody would have picked it.

I thought one.

I thought one of you would have.

I thought one of you would have picked.

It, let's be honest, I was never going to pick her, but I thought maybe Ian.

Yeah, that's what I thought too.

I'm so outspoken about my hatred for that franchise as well.

I don't think that's what I do, so it's overthinking.

I'm like.

But he would maybe still consider her.

I don't know why I picked you out of that.

You feel a lot scream but it was just some weird intrusive thought I had.

Fair enough, right?

Let's quickly run through some honorable mentions before we get out of here.

We've mentioned most of mines already and I've only got one that we didn't mention.

So we did have, I did have Sydney Prescott in my honorable mentions just because of how iconic and influential that movie is as well.

Sally Hardesty from TCM was in there, Maya from Evil Dead and Jamie Lloyd from Halloween was in there.

I also put Aaron from the movie you're next in there as well.

Because yeah, I think again, if you're talking about, you know, badass women, like she definitely fits that vibe.

And again, I think I think a bit of an underrated movie as well.

Like it made a little bit of a splash when it came out and then it kind of went away.

And I think it's a really cool concept of a horror movie.

You've got Ty West in there and you've got like a really great cast and she's fucking great in it as well.

And it's and it's again, really funny.

It's a funny movie as well, like really darkly funny.

And yeah, as a card actually get like unfairness when this topic comes up around the Internet.

She gets a bit of love.

She does quite often get a little bit of love.

But yeah, I think definitely worth being in my honourable mentions.

And that's it.

That's it.

We were.

Andy mentioned the rest of mine.

So Nicole, any honourable mentions?

No, because you just pretty much mentioned all the ones.

Go fuck yourself.

Wild.

OK, Candy.

Take.

Take it.

Take it away.

Jerry Darling from Planet Terror.

Everyone knows that I love Jerry, but I've gotten into a few arguments with people who say that she's not a final girl.

I tell them go fuck yourself.

Moving on.

I'm Jenny from Friday the 13th Part 2.

She was smart as shit and she's iconic as hell.

That always comes up in people's lists.

I would be remiss if I didn't bring her up.

No one but she was badass.

Barbara from Night Living Dead remake because George and Mayer wrote the script.

Thompson, he directed it, but George said he wanted to make Barbara right because he felt like he did her dirty in the OG film.

Now we'll talk about that at some other time.

Night Living Dead stuff.

But yeah, Barbara from the the remake.

I have Mia from Evil Dead remake and here's my two guys.

Now I know we'll never do a final boy, so I'm well, you never know.

You never know.

There's really not enough.

The pool is is.

Slim and.

I think we'd all pick and I've got a funny feeling that one of the ones you're about to pick would be all of our number ones.

But yeah, I have two, although I have different final.

Names for them.

Our final boy would be Jesse from Neymar and Elm Street 2 would be lovely.

Mark Patton.

He is a wonderful, awesome person and he and I bond all the time.

So and you if you haven't seen Scream Comma.

Queen at.

Scream Queen, that is a great documentary to watch along with your Neymar and Elm Street 2.

Make it look a bit different.

And then I have to put our final hembo.

If you don't know what a Hembo is, it's the male bimbo, our final hambo, as is Ash.

Yeah, yeah, that's that's Bruce.

Yeah, that's that would be the.

Number one, that would be the number one, wouldn't it?

Yeah, 100.

Percent call him a final Hambo.

I couldn't.

Call him a final boy.

Surprise no.

Tom Atkins love in there for Halloween 3, does he?

Not technically kind, No.

Oh, no, no.

OK.

OK, I was.

Categorizing All right, OK Elm Street 2 and he knows.

That, yeah.

Just a just a quick Elm Street 2.

Criminally underrated.

Within the Elm.

St.

franchise as well.

And obviously, you know, there's a lot of politics around that movie as well, so that it is a criminally underrated movie.

And yeah, Ash is the quintessential and I call him off final himbo.

And yet I named my son.

As yeah, yeah, just I have a lot of love for my himbo Ash.

Well, there you have it, folks.

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That's our honourable mentions.

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But yes, OK, and Nico can be.

Found in the North Sea, but that is it for this week's episode.

Thank you once again to everyone for downloading and listening to us.

Up next, we are talking all about Candy's Halloween pick because it's right around the corner.

It's night of the demons.

We'll get to that very, very shortly.

Thank you, though, for everyone who listened.

Nicole Candy, as always, thank you for joining me.

Thank you for having me.

No worries.

Thanks for being on and.

Until next week, on the part of the damned.

Just remember, you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't.

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