Welcome to Pot of the damned.

I am your host handed final girl and my 2 Co hosts are currently out due to some things that Ian posted on social media and just basically some health stuff and they will be back but stepping in their places.

I got two of the most awesome people I like to talk to on shows.

We have Ren.

Hey, what's going on?

And we've got Jeff Newman, so these are the people that we really get excited for their reviews.

We love all of your reviews, but these two have a way with words.

Thanks so much for having me and Ren.

It's so nice to put a face to the name.

Man, I feel like our ships have been passing each other in the night for a really long time at this point.

Yeah, yeah, I see your name pop up.

I hear the the the Newman reviews a lot.

So now it's good to see the face and hear the voice.

Yeah, it's good to have another incredibly verbose and opinionated gent to toss stuff around with.

I feel like you and I agree on things and disagree on things, but I don't think we're too casual about our opinions.

I think we know what we know and we know why.

Yeah, I agree.

I will agree to that.

So I'm going to, this is going to be a really laid back show, but I'm going to get the housekeeping out of the way.

We are a Pot of the Damned.

We are a horror slash comedy podcast.

They mix together because we're just funny people.

But you can find us at Pot of the Damned on Instagram, on Facebook, on Threads, on Blue Sky, just Pot of the Damned.

And then you could e-mail us at potofthedamned@gmail.com.

And I know Jeff has some a nice little plug because he's coming in for days.

That's true.

Thanks so much.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Newman, the film right here from Movies for Days, your non pretentious easy access movie chat podcast every Friday taking a deep dive into any film from any decade with anybody's guess as to how we chose that film that week.

You can find me on Twitter at movies days.

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Yeah, man, every every week.

It's just a, a deep dive celebration, exploration.

We don't get too negative and we don't give out ratings.

We just love talking about the movies we talk about.

And it's always me and a different guest.

So come check that out if you feel like it.

Yeah, I recently dropped by for Brain Damage and we decided like, maybe we'll hit on some other Hen and Lauter films soon.

And I had Ian over once to talk about the great film Hatchet, and then we had a good time talking about that.

So those are.

Yeah.

So if you're already a fan of Pot of the Dam, those are two episodes of mine you should search out right away.

And you can find all my episodes very easily searchable at urunpodcast.com.

And Ren, where can everybody find you?

You can find me as rent XXX on all of the socials except for the website formally known as Twitter and you can find me monthly appearing on the Horrorflex and guitar picks podcast which is Horrorflex and tarpix pod on Facebook and threads.

It is Horflex and Guitar Picks podcast on Instagram and all of the ways you would stream it, Spotify, Apple, YouTube, there's YouTube videos Now that podcast is typically Tim Mills.

That's his brainchild.

Him and his Co host talk music and horror.

They incorporate that.

Tim will interview some people from the music world and sometimes from the horror world and just kind of combine those two elements together, hence the name, our flicks and guitar picks.

Yeah, that's it.

So wherever you stream, you can find that podcast and you can hear my stupid opinions once a month on there.

And I've had the honor of being a guest on 10 Show many times and great at 10's awesome, great group of people.

It's highly recommended.

Both podcasts that we're talking about and Sunday, actually, we're going to talk about Bring Her Back.

How did she cope with gas?

Are you being gone?

I didn't.

This is their new sister and brother, Oliver.

Oliver lost his family just like you guys.

They need someone that could keep in special care.

Listen, I've got to tell you a secret.

Listen.

Let's welcome your Angel, it does beautiful things.

Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen.

Listen.

Listen, some people believe spirit stays in the body for months after death.

We can bring it back.

The 2025 film, we're actually trying to do those a little bit more expediently this year.

We're still a little slow, but we're getting there.

So the interesting thing about this is I know Ren and I saw it pretty quickly after it came out.

And then I I was like, I got to get Newman and Ren on a show together and I was just like, hey, Newman, have you seen Bring Her Back?

He's like, no, I'm like, well, could you go see it?

Because that's literally what happened.

So I kind of want to hear like how this experience unfolded for you, where I'm like, go to the movies.

She was like, could you like change that man, you know, could see the movie.

So it's very exciting to just kind of, you know, Hey, man, we we shot the flare.

We put out the call.

We need we need you the bat signal go.

And so I was really game, but I even in the city of Chicago, I could not find a showing of this.

And then I kind of, you know, actually looked at the release date and I said, oh, Jesus, I was like.

I don't know if it's still playing, but I want to check it out.

Yeah, and I'm not skilled in the ways of ripping shit off the Internet.

It's not a morality thing.

I just don't know how to do it.

And my computer sucks.

I don't think I could.

So I found a way to rent it.

And so I rented it for like 20 bucks.

But it was, that's all good.

No, no money well spent.

OK, good.

And gave it a watch and and I really enjoyed it and got to watch it with my wife.

So we got to talk about it a lot.

My younger brother's also a huge movie fan and horror fan.

And so even though he lives like 2 states away, we always end up talking about movies.

And so we had a whole back and forth via text kind of comparing this to talk to me.

Incidentally, my younger brother has a massive Sally Hawkins fetish.

So do with that what you will.

That is funny.

I saw it when it first came out.

I, I actually went opening night to the drive in 'cause I like to just hang out at the drive in.

I'm just that person drive in gal, as Joe Bob says.

So my daughter and I went to see it opening night and it was just like, wow, that was cool.

But sometimes when you see shit at the drive in, especially horror movies, like you, you missed some nuance and like some of the darker scenes.

So and, and for whatever reason, my husband and my son decided not to go with us.

It was just girls night.

And I was like, I want to fucking see that again.

And I was like wanting to talk to my husband about it.

And so I was like, we're going to go fucking see it.

So we went to the theater and saw it and it was really awesome.

Like even the second time was even better.

I think it's one of those, this seems to be the year that I'm just going to.

I saw Sinners 3 times in theaters and they're driving, so this is just that year where I'm just like, I'm just going to keep going.

I was just at the Alamo Draft House over the weekend seeing Fantastic Four, so I'm just watching a lot of movies.

So yeah, bring her back twice.

So how about you, Red?

I don't have any interesting stories like that.

My wife and I were basically like, hey, we really like talk to me, That new movie's out, let's go see it.

And we saw it on opening night and that was the only time I saw it.

So I'm going to be pulling deep from the memory bank on it.

But talking, asking about the reviews from some of the people like sparked some of the.

But yeah, that was all it was.

It was basically on the hype of talk to me.

And I saw the trailer once because usually with horror movies, especially a horror movie that I want to see, I watched the trailer one time and that's that's all I want to see because I don't, I want to keep it all, you know, I want to be surprised.

I don't want to see something like and then be like, oh, that ending was in the trailer.

So I already like knew it was coming, you know, so but that was it.

So yeah.

So we, we saw it one time, both my wife and I, well, we'll, I'll discuss how we felt about it.

But that was it.

It was, it was a one time viewing.

And yeah.

So I'm excited to, to we cannot make now that I know that I didn't even know it was on a rental thing.

So now I'm going to probably rent it in the next couple days just to see it again because I have no idea when the physical copies are coming out.

And I don't even remember what platform I rented it off of.

It might very well have been YouTube.

One of those.

Right on YouTube, to be honest.

Yeah.

But now that that's the that's why too.

I had to like, 'cause I haven't seen it since that first watching, which was, I don't know, ballpark in a week ago.

And I think I've done like 3 episodes for my show since then.

So like, I've got all these movies living in my head right now.

So, like, I got to take my notes.

Yeah, I'm useless without them.

And sometimes I'm useless with them.

If you listen to enough of my episodes, you, you know, see some of that.

My notes are just incomprehensible and so I have given up on the institution for this time.

Maybe when it gets a little colder outside or I get more patience or something.

I'm just deep in writing my novel right now.

So my I have writers branch moment.

But this movie, like when I got really excited because I saw Talk to Me when it came out and we fucking loved it.

You know, like the whole household, my kids and my husband, we all fucking love Talk to me.

And so it's one that we've watched quite a bit.

It's on streaming, but we own like the fucking awesome ass copies of it.

And so, you know, it's one of those like if they're on streaming and I own it, I'll just watch that streaming.

It's just ridiculous.

But you know, physical media.

So I've watched that a lot.

And then I heard there was, they were doing a sequel and it was talk #2 me.

And I was like already like, don't fucking do that.

That's lame.

No, you can do better than that.

And first of all, I didn't think talk to me needed a sequel.

Gonna throw that out there.

But so I was kind of already like negative, just hearing like not too long after I saw the original movie and it did really well of talk to me that they're hearing about the sequel.

So I completely me being ADHD that leaves my brain.

I see this bring her back.

I'm like, oh, they got a better title for this sequel.

So that's where I was really blonde about it.

And then I watched it.

I'm like, oh, this is a whole different movie.

That's kind of cool.

I'll give it a chance because I really did like talk to me and their stupid fucking idea better get better for the sequel.

So yeah, I I was really blown away.

And when we get too deep into my opinion still later, but like I it was a movie that like I kept thinking about and it kind of had this like jolt to it that reminded me a little bit of when I was younger.

Like like just some some really gnarly scenes where I was like, whoa, that's pretty fucking crazy.

And that was fun.

That was a fun thing for me.

So I don't know how you guys were you automatically comparing it to talk to me?

Well, I'm glad that it's not the sequel yet.

I think if there is going to be a sequel to talk to me, it needs some room to breathe.

I hate when there's a good idea and then someone says oh, you need to make the sequel and then they rush out, make a sequel and it's like half assed and you're like cool.

That just ruined.

I don't even want to watch.

The first, yeah.

So just so you know, the talk to me, the sequel is coming is coming, but they're also they've already come out saying that they're working on another film before that.

So they're going to let that idea breathe, which is a good idea because I love talk to me and I don't want them to just throw a damn script together just to sit just to have one.

And if they're going to take like 3-4 years between perfect.

As far as bring her back, I was just excited on the weight of talk to me.

So as soon as I saw that they were doing, I picked up pretty quickly on the trailer that it was something different and I was like, all right, cool.

The I liked what these guys did.

They took a talk to me as a you know, it's it's like the grudge, the curse.

It's like all the like any of those types of films, like we've seen that before.

But I thought they did a really cool idea with it.

I thought the lore with the that the hand was cool.

So I'm like, all right, they have some like original ideas within their, you know, a formula.

It was all right there.

Let me see what they can do with their own idea.

And so bring her back to me, like stood out right away.

It's like I'm like, all right, This is something all on its own that came up with this is a fresh idea.

They're not they're not kind of stealing an idea from something else.

So that first trailer look gnarly as hell because some of the possession scenes that they were showing, like I was like, what is this?

Because it didn't really tell you anything.

It just showed a bunch of like scenes and I was like, all right, I'm like, I like talk to me.

And often those scenes look creepy as all hell.

I'm like, I'm in.

So it was one of those like my wife and I were both like, we got to go see that movie opening night.

Like if Talk to Me was as good as it was, like this has like we're going.

And so that that was our like whole mission and seeing this film was basically like Talk to Me was so good.

And that trailer, that first trailer that didn't tell you anything about the movie.

It just showed you some crazy scenes we were in.

Yeah, I very similarly align with a lot of what you've just said.

Talk to Me was one of my favorite movies that came out that year.

Like it was on my best of the year list that I did and I really liked a lot of what was done in that film.

I found it really impressive both from the way it was done.

The sound design was really impressive to me.

All that.

There was some really just jaw-dropping moments with some of the gore and the makeup and I thought that the script and the acting was all really, really well done.

The kind of stuff that, like isn't always given enough attention to be as rich and a lot of these kinds of movies.

And then, you know, the the lore and the writing all really was working as well.

It was very original.

It was.

And it was really gut wrenching.

So just knowing that those same people were coming back to do another movie, That's sort of all I knew about.

Bring Her Back was like, oh, it's the people who did talk to me.

Fuck.

Yeah.

And then I saw the very similar.

I saw like a trailer and I said, whoa, sign me up.

And yeah, I want to know as little as possible, you know, I want to go in as blind as possible to a movie because especially with horror, I usually enjoy it a lot more if I'm just discovering every scene is a discovery.

And it was a lot like that would bring her back.

I I suppose my just, you know, very initial reaction is that I definitely like talk to me more.

I think it's, I think the movie hangs to, hangs together a lot better.

I think that in Bring Her Back, there is a lot of really impressive and really well done moments, be they make up and gore moments, be they just sort of like horrifying, horrendous moments that you're like, Oh my God, just end and please, I'm so terrified.

And also just really great moments of cinematography and music kind of, you know, getting blended.

There's some really impressive shots in here.

Like there weren't talk to me, to be frank, but that's the thing there.

That's what's really impressive about this movie.

There are story elements for me and plot threads for me and specific moments that kind of breakdown my immersion and enjoyment of the film, which wasn't a problem with Talk to Me.

All of that fit together perfectly.

And so yeah, I guess that's sort of my initial knee jerk response.

I really, really liked it.

I didn't love it.

I wanted to love it.

I love to talk to me, but I really, really liked this.

I was very curious about that because it's so hard with like this, you know?

You know, they did Talk to me, the Philippine brothers, and it was such a big sweeping success immediately.

And, you know, a 24 movies, you tend to expect more, you tend to expect better.

And so, you know, that just blew me away.

And I'm like, OK, there's going to be comparisons.

It's been so recent that since Talk to Me came out, Bring Your Back's going to be put in that same way.

I think it was smarter than to get another film out there.

And I was like, is it going to be as good?

I found myself doing it.

But it it has some similar themes and I feel like it exists in like the same universe, if you will, you know, And I think it's a little confirmed through the film makers, but it's another has the same theme of like using grief as this as a horror element because grief itself is horrible.

Anybody who's been through it, I mean, you just sometimes you see movies as people crying a lot, man.

I was fucking angry when my grandfather died and who raised me, you know, and there was like all these different things and it was just horrible.

It was horrific.

I would say, you know, and I think, you know, when we watch, when we grow up in a certain era, like, you know, mid 80s and watching, you know, the brief isn't really used as much of A plot point or anything else.

It's like, oh, somebody died, that's scary, OK, Somebody else has got to die.

We got to get these people taken care of.

We got to kill them.

But like these, you know, elevated horror films or have these elements that make you think, you know, they really use that.

And and the Silker brothers are really great at using grief as sort of this turnkey into horror.

And I I just, I like that element.

And I was like, OK, so they're, I realize that they're gonna, they're using this as I'm watching it.

Like grief is, is.

Yeah.

Again, the key here.

Are we doing it the same way?

Not exactly.

There's still other worldly elements, occult and I what I really like is that they, they did the turn on the psycho baby stuff, which I'm a big fan of.

I mean it, it quickly went downhill when it happened.

I, I'm a big fan of classic horror movies and bad horror movies.

I mean, honestly, that's where I'm at.

But I love like whatever happened to baby Jane and like hush hush, sweet Charlotte.

And then it goes downhill and they get progressively worse.

I mean, every old Hollywood actress did 1, Veronica Lake fucking did a Ted Michaels film and dear God, you never thought you'd see those in the same sentence.

Like, you know, the corpse grinders and shit like that.

Like, so the psychoped craze was a big deal and then it was gone.

So this is kind of fun for that.

And I think Sally Hawkins is just mesmerizing.

Like she just nails this performance.

And that's what I have seen widespread, everybody talking about her performance.

And I think every performance in this was really, really good.

But again, I, I mean, I will have to agree with Newman.

There are parts of it that like I, I just, they felt a little, I don't know, I don't want to say long that's the wrong word.

I have to, I have to think on that word.

But it, it just did feel a little disjointed at parts like I don't know, I don't know how to describe it, but for it coming out as soon as it did after talk to me, I really think, wow, I couldn't cobble together a script that good in that amount of time.

Absolutely not.

I am not a scriptwriter and I, I'm definitely like to come up with a whole new story like it's, it's really impressive.

And so I, I went and I was not disappointed and seeing it the second time I got to see the little nuances I miss.

So I got the whole story now and it's totally worth watching a second time.

So I that's a good sign for me.

I'm not.

I don't like to waste my time on crap.

So.

Especially if you watch it as fast as you do, like, because I've watched plenty of movies a second time, but there's like, you know, 15 years between the 1st and 2nd viewing.

But yeah, if you're going to watch one like a couple weeks apart or and it's or or go see it multiple times in the theatre, either you're a glutton for punishment or the movie's a is a good film.

I did see Anaconda three times in the theater, so like maybe?

Oh my God.

So maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe it's not.

Always a good thing to go see a movie in the theater 3 times.

But I, there's a lot of sentiment that you guys have been saying that I agree with.

My biggest gripe with it going into it is so like with Talk to Me, I was able to just like sit back and enjoy the ride because to me, like yes, grief was like definitely a focal point of that.

Like that was like the whole purpose of the film, but I was able to like sit back and just like enjoy that as like a normal like possession ghost horror movie, stay for the gore, be there for the the time jump scares.

Some of it was predictable, not not as much.

This movie kind of like played its hand like real early.

As soon as Sally Hawkins shows up, I'm like, I know everything that's going to happen in this movie.

Like I basically knew the plot, like it took me a minute to put it together that her like with the daughter, but like, as soon as like the daughter part was like revealed, I'm like, I know everything I need to know about this film.

And that's my like biggest gripe with it is that it took me out early that I had no real guessing.

Sure, there's certain surprises that happened throughout the film.

We'll get into a little bit, but like my thing was that they played it.

They they showed their, they showed their cards too fast in my opinion.

And, you know, I've heard other people say that too.

Like, yeah, Sally Hawkins is incredible this whole movie.

She's, you know, she's a force.

I'll pretty much watch anything that she's in now because she's been in enough films that she's earned that reputation for me.

But once she shows up and once like, her character kind of like reveals it too much.

And that was a little bit for that's what knocks it down a peg or two from Talk to Me for me, because with Talk to Me, I didn't know how it was going to end.

Like I assumed it was going to end on a sour note because that's just what horror movies do, especially on a 24.

A 24 wants you to leave the movie theaters like wanting to like play in traffic and and talk to Me did that.

So I assumed that this movie was going to end bleak.

But that's like the only thing that I was or I'm sorry, I thought I knew talk to me was going to end bleak, but I didn't know how it was going to end with this.

I kind of like not exactly pick figured it out, but like I was like, oh, this I've this is what's going to happen and that that's my biggest complaint against this film.

But other than that, like the the story is good.

I I do enjoy it and there's some gnarly, gnarly scenes in this that we're obviously we're going to be talking.

I'm just going to get out of the way.

We're going to talk about that knife scene, you know?

I knew some shit was going to happen, but I didn't know what.

And that was that what was talking about earlier?

Like the the fun kid part of me was like, oh shit, here it comes.

Like I don't know what it's going to be.

Is he going to stab him?

And then I did not expect what we did see.

I was like, that's even cooler than what I was thinking.

So that was awesome.

And seeing it at a drive in where people tend to be noisier, people were kind of like, you know, making a lot of noise like, ah, yeah, it was.

That was really fun.

Got a good audience reaction on that one.

Yeah, that was definitely happening on the couch when I was watching it.

It was like, whoa, whoa.

But like, in a good way.

Like when you're on a roller coaster, you're making noise because it's great.

And yeah, I also feel.

It's it's a bit.

Of a yes.

And I do think that Sally Hawkins, her character is, you know, tipping her hand right away.

We know what she's about right away.

As a result, there's no build.

There's we don't get to see her turn, even if we as seasoned horror fans figure, oh, she's going to turn bad.

Oh, she's going to start, you know, distancing them and fucking with the dude.

And, you know, we should, we should have some build up seeing how sweet she can actually be before seeing the manipulation and the gaslighting and, you know, the kind of abusive tactics.

But she's doing that right away.

And as a result, it kind of Peters out before the movie's even over.

And then we kind of get this last minute turn of, oh, you know what?

I don't want to do this after all, which kind of doesn't work for me.

And then a lot of the details about the possession and the ritual and the way she just blurts it out in these moments of emotion, they kind of don't feel justified and.

And it also feels a.

Bit too convoluted for my taste.

I was trying to talk to my brother about it on the phone today and I and I hadn't looked at my notes and he was like, so wait a minute, why was this body here?

But that body was there.

I was like, well, because man, he had to like eat the body and then puke up the to do the God damn it.

I need my fucking notes man, because this is.

Something that I understood much better on the second viewing one.

I'm at the drive in the first viewing with my daughter and all she does is talk through movies.

I'm one of those people.

I love her to pieces, but she fucking runs her mouth and she's very loud and I'm like, I don't know, don't ask me questions.

Don't do it because my son and I are very much like don't speak to us when we are viewing.

And you know, Sean and, and, and my daughter can just talk and ask questions, not pay attention, fuck around on their phones.

I'm like, you're not giving me experience.

So she's talking to me and I'm like, I don't understand.

So it was on the second viewing that I sort of understood more about the ritual, like, you know, with the cutting the father's hair, feeding it.

I'm like, OK, I see that she's using this entity by, you know, OK, she the, you know, he eats hair and then he can use the father's likeness and sounds and sameness, Andy and all that.

But it took me the second viewing to do that.

I don't know if it was just because it my daughter was talking.

If I was, it was because I was like the drive in or what.

But the second viewing really did it for me.

When a very quiet theater, I was like, this is better.

So for this kind of movie, it worked better in a theater.

In regards to the the ritual, I like started putting a like I put it together a little bit later, but then once I put it together, I was like, oh, and now I get what all that other shit happened, but it is a weird ritual.

Like that's not explained enough.

Like the whole like oh, there's a demon in the boy.

The boy has to eat the face of the girl.

He has to puke up the girl into the other girl.

They must.

Die in the exact same thing as the person you're trying to resurrect.

Yeah, like it felt like, it felt like placate the.

Demon.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

Go ahead.

Yeah, it just felt like there was too much, like I feel like doing it wrong.

I guess the, you know, the black arts and mysticism is going to be, you know, a little bit complicated sometimes.

But like, it felt for a movie, like certain things are just like, you know, you get like a, for instance, like a Chucky, like a possession thing he just puts his hand on.

He reads some fucking voodoo shit and you're you're good.

And I think sometimes that's, I think it's easier when you're doing a movie as heavy as, as what this is with like dealing with grief and like resurrections and the occult.

Like sometimes I think the, the rules of the possession or the resurrection should have been simpler.

Like I, I, I should, it shouldn't have taken me like 5 steps to go.

Oh now I know what they're doing.

Yeah, it was.

It was a lot.

And that's why the second viewing helps me.

I think I enjoyed it more so my brain wasn't everywhere.

Like, wait, what?

Hold on.

Wait.

If OK, I see what's going on here.

But the second viewing, I had more time to pay attention to these things and I picked it all up.

But yeah, I just didn't know if it was just me or because it was.

I was driving.

I was like, whatever those things are.

But I was curious about something because I have a little different perspective on the ending.

You guys aren't parents, right?

No, I actively have avoided that.

No, I don't have a kid.

I was a person who was anti marriage, pro kids.

So I'm a weird 1.

I don't, I don't like the institution of marriage, but I want kids.

So I have them and I have them when I could, when I was really, really young, I only had a really small window.

But as a parent watching this, there was like certain things that I evoked, especially, you know, as a mom, like the idea and, and we all have people like this in their lives, but there's something particular that I never felt until I had kids, the grief.

I could handle any other grief in this world, but losing one of my kids, I don't really think that I can handle.

And when one of my cousins died, I dealt with my aunt's grace when I was.

And I remember standing in my son's doorway and he, you know, kids are at school and I just lost it.

I was like, I don't know that I could go on.

I don't know what I would do.

And so bringing that experience to it.

And I'd never felt anything like that in my life.

And my kid was fine.

But it's the idea that either one of my kids, anything happened to them.

Like what?

That's the grief that I do want a good handle.

So being a mom and like I lost my only kid.

Well, I just, I don't know what would happen.

What will we do with our grave?

It's hard enough to lose like a spouse or a best friend or anybody like that.

But your child, what do you do?

Like, and she's found this really dark, fucked up thing.

Like she will do anything.

She will sacrifice other people's children.

Like, so you're so removed from the situation, but you don't care that other mothers and fathers are losing their kids.

You'll sacrifice them because your kid is more important.

And that's how grief lies to us.

It's fucked up.

It does fucked up shit to us.

So as a parent, I did understand the ending a little bit more.

She cries out for her mom and she's like, fuck, this is some other mother's kid.

This is somebody else's kid, this other mother, you know, And while her mother is gone, like, you know, that's her mom, you know, like.

And so like it.

It did feel a little hokey but I did get it as a mom like I.

I clacked it.

Yeah, I clacked.

It's not that I didn't understand, it's that it didn't work for me.

I After everything she's done, I don't see her changing her mind there at the last minute just because of that of.

That mom, yeah, I guess.

And that's what I'm saying, like as a mom and other parents may not feel that way, but as me as a person, I I could see that.

I could see it happening like that.

Just it all finally fucking hitting you, like, oh, fuck, this is fucked up, this is messed up.

But I also could see the other way because I know they had another couple endings landed, like where Kathy does come back in that body or something.

Would I like to see that?

Yeah.

But like, being in my feelings, really thinking about it.

And maybe this is just the writer in me, but like, I'm going to put myself in that character's position.

What, You know, Like, so maybe I think about it too much or maybe it's the theater kidding me.

I don't know.

I don't think there's such a thing as thinking about a horror movie too much.

I don't think you can think about any horror movie too much, except for maybe Return of the Living Dead 3.

Yeah, you say 3.

Yeah, I can do 3 and and and I love 2, but you know, one's the awesome.

Don't ever watch four or five.

But yeah, that's why I think that the the whole ritual, I found it a little convoluted.

That's why, you know, we talked about all the steps.

I think a movie like anything for Jackson tackles this in a much better way because it's simpler and we can focus on the characters and the feelings that take you there.

I think House of the Devil also gives us a much simpler to understand kind of, you know, possession ritual that deals more in images and emotions than it does.

Here's my step by step list.

First Preheat oven to 425, then take the fetus out of the bag.

The recipe every 5 seconds like wait, what was the next step?

Yeah, You know, and it's like, I don't have a really solid solution for this, but I just was not about the old grainy VHS tape that showed us the Russian death cult and had subtitles as well.

I I don't know, It's not that I have a better way of delivering this information to the audience, but that was something else that really took me out where I was like, God, you couldn't think of any other way to do this.

As a film maker, maybe they they wanted to show us other images because there were some interesting images on that VHS.

But I feel like they could have done that and it it's, it's a lot more steps than it needs to be.

I do agree with that.

I and I and I also feel.

That if.

She was going to suddenly decide, OK, the mother and me can't do this, This is someone else's baby.

That would have made more sense if we had seen her maybe wrestling with what she was doing to Andy earlier in the film.

Maybe at a certain point saying, oh, Jesus, OK, this is really going too far.

No, no, it's for my baby.

I'm going to do it.

But I don't remember that ever happening.

And so I feel like that would have justified it.

But again, we're getting nitty gritty cuz like I said, I really liked it.

I really liked it.

These are little nitpicks.

I think with the the ending, I'm glad that she like gave it up because I feel like every movie now has that like bleak ending.

Like I just I was anticipating her pulling the possession like the the resurrection off and we were going to get this like or like we didn't know, but that never going to be like an epilogue scene where she was talking to the girl.

What I forget the girls name is already Laura.

Oh, no, Laura is Sally.

Yeah.

Piper, Piper.

You're going to see something with Piper doing something, but it was going to be off and you'd be like, oh, that really is the daughter.

Like Piper's Piper's not in there anymore.

Like I thought we were going to see like it was going to be like a happy ending, but not.

And then you're going to get that little like nod to the camera or like nod and wink.

That was like, no, it's really like they the the she pulled it off.

So I'm glad that it wasn't that ending because I feel like we get that, especially in 824 films, 824 films, like I said, they they love to, you know, have it this legend.

And I'm glad that this one was not that because I don't want to, I don't want to always go into an A 24 film being like, I know what the ending is going to be.

They're just going to want to have gut us.

So I was OK with this ending.

But as you said, Newman, she didn't ever have that like wrestling with what she was doing or if she did, it was so quick and sort of that I don't even remember it happening.

So it did stick out a little bit when like, I get it, like her having that like that break, like just that little girl screaming mom and realizing, oh, shit, like I like it knocks her out of her psychosis.

Like I can understand that.

But it was a little out of like out of character.

There was nothing in it before that.

It sets that up that like that, that humanity is still in Laura, that she's going to think about these other kids as other kids, not just vessels to get her daughter back.

I have the same thought as you about like, maybe it was just this is the surprise ending because you're expecting the fucking bleak.

So I was kind of like, yeah, it was a nice change of pace.

And I have that thought.

And I I do like the ending.

I'm curious.

I wish we could have seen the other endings.

But I do understand why they went a different route because their friend passed away and they were just, you know, really their own grief.

And the friend was really young.

So they did change it so you.

Know and I mean it's also not I mean it's not the happiest of endings.

I mean, she like, I mean, a lot of people die, a lot of innocent people get killed.

Like, you know, it's, it's even the what is this Connor bird like coming back?

Like not being possessed anymore.

Like even that is like when he starts like yelling and he says his name and then they they figure it out.

Like it's that's like gut wrenching.

Like that kid suffered.

He was like he was, he wasn't even control of his own body for like, you know, the whole movie was eating knives and shit.

So like I can get none of it is none of it is like it's not a clean ending by any stretch.

So like it's still it's still got that visceral like thing that you know, that we expect in well from them now and from a 24 films.

But I like that it wasn't the bad guy didn't win like I do.

I do like that.

Like I think every now and then we need a movie where the good guys kind, even if it's kind of win that they still win.

Yeah, so I think this movie was, and I'm going to use air quotes here, more fun then talk to me because I had, you know, those moments of like, oh, fuck, you know, the like gnarly shit where you're kind of excited when it happens, but in that horror movie fan way.

And then, you know, like, as soon as like the social worker woman who's figured things out with Andy and they go shut up the house.

Like something's fucked up.

I'm like, she's about to die.

I'm nailing this, this bitch about to go down.

How's it going to happen?

And you're just waiting.

And then it does.

And it's like, you know, satisfying in a horror movie.

Fenway.

Like, yeah, OK, there we.

Go.

Yeah, that happened here when she was like, you know, I'm gonna get my keys.

We're gonna go over there right now.

And I think my wife kind of turned to me and went.

Bye, Wendy.

Yeah.

It's like, yeah, Wendy's not long for this world.

Sorry, love.

You do actually have like I have like a moment, a very short moment where I was like, maybe maybe she's gonna pull this off and something fucked up, something else fucked up is gonna happen.

But no, I mean, it just feels like if if you're a horror fan, you're gonna be able to predict it.

But I did have fun on the ride, you know, it, it was a fun ride.

And it's been a while since, you know, a non terrifier movie had a gnarly scene where I was like, oh, that's gross, you know?

Well, and like the I'll go back to the cinematography, you know, the opening shot of Talk to Me is this one really long extended shot where all this shit is going down and it's gorgeous and it's really impressive because if you're not looking for it, you kind of don't realize it's happening until it's like all the way through the scene.

You're like, holy shit, they never cut.

They have a shot like that at the end of this movie where you're like following her out to the pool and little Ollie with his big old protruding gut is coming up to the pool.

The rain is coming down like oh dish a fun fact right now they've got 2 takes on that and they had there's so much set up they had to do it on 2 separate days and and that was all they had to work with.

So thankfully they got it.

But like, that shot is gorgeous and there's just a lot of attention to detail in a lot of the cinematography and sound design throughout.

Yeah, they're definitely crafty film makers, even like like I even if they don't like write or direct a film, like I'm almost like just shoot them because you they they know how to like shoot films like really well, as you said, that opening scene to talk to me specifically that single take shot like I I look for single.

I love them.

Like they're some of my favorite things that happened in cinema.

Like I don't care what kind of genre it is.

If you do this, you can do a long take like I'm like, this is awesome.

This.

Is watching my 50th time of Goodfellas with kids the other night and.

That was awesome.

Yeah.

So yeah, so I picked up on it with talk to me.

I picked up on it, but once that once I'm fast picked up on like, oh, they're not cutting.

I'm like, I was like so invested in that scene and then that's that, as you said, in the climax of this film, same thing like once I once I pick up on that they haven't cut yet, I'm like, I'm like, I immediately become like even more like tunnel visioned into the scene.

And so that end scene was was shot like incredible, like I I and not even that, just the way that they use angles like I'm not they're.

They definitely have some Raimiisms with the way that they use angles, which you know, Sam Raimi kind of invented like half that stuff.

But like they're definitely a school.

Like they're definitely they must love cinematographers.

They must have cinematographers is like that.

They study because the way that they shoot both of these films, like I'll watch any other films now just to see how it's shot.

And and as you said, Newman just basically, you know, verbatim the opening scene of Talk to Me in the last scene of this.

But they do, they just do, they just they do cool things throughout.

I just remember, I can't picture the scenes, but I remember throughout the movie of this one particularly just some like hallway shots and stuff like that that I was like, and they knew how to do the night.

Like the knife scene in particular, like it starts off camera so you hear it first and the sound crunching felt like it was crunching in my ear in the theater.

So like, they know how they know how to work with sound and everything.

So like that whole scene was perfect because you it, it doesn't go right into it.

You hear it first and you're like, what the fuck is that noise?

And then they cut to it and you're like, Oh my God, that's what that noise is like.

So yeah.

And then later the sound of skin being literally peeled.

Off and your arm and strips.

It's like, and that final shot to that big aerial one above the pool where you got like kind of circles within circles because you know that there was the whole circle vibe when I was looking through my notes, I was like, cross circle.

What the fuck does this mean?

Cross circle?

And it was the point when Ollie crossed the circle and then he fell over and started convulsing.

And you know, we find out later it's because the demons trying to get out.

Like, you know, it's spread out.

I'm like, yeah, Sal, it's a barrier.

You know, that's like a really basic thing like Wicca or anything else.

My mom's like wicked.

She's just new age.

But like, I knew I was like, yeah, I can't cross that because it's like that's kind of keeping him in or the demon will expel itself or entity or whatever.

They they said it's more like closer to an Angel or an entity genie, these couple different words.

But we know it's not like a bad thing is what the Philippine brothers said, that it's more like you rub a lamp and the genie comes out.

It does what it's supposed to do that well, this entity isn't like, necessarily good or bad.

And I was, like, interesting, because I was just thinking bad, you know, like, what makes you commit auto cannibalism?

Now?

I'm a big fan of auto cannibalism.

Like, you could impress me with that.

I'm like, yeah, that's gnarly.

That grosses people out.

Not me, but I'm like, yeah.

Maybe the entity itself isn't bad, but to perform this ritual you have to do some really awful shit.

Like I think doing this is still probably a net negative.

Yeah, absolutely not.

Not gonna debate that.

I'm just saying that like, yeah, I mean, she's using it for bad, but I'm just saying with the Philippine brother sex, that's also like a stance at it.

Like what?

No, I mean that's some bad shit, man.

I don't know what good purpose that would have.

Hashtag not all demons.

I'm curious though, like I didn't do any research on this.

Newman, you said you had some fun facts or whatnot, but I'm curious if the Tarry demon is like an Australian like folklore, because I didn't do any like looking up on it because part of my like love of like horror, what I love doing is watching films from other countries or like the creator, the the work, because I love to learn other like what scares other people.

And so when, you know, obviously with these guys being Australian, I'm like, well, you know, Australia's going to have its own, you know, crazy folklore.

It's but you know, we already noticed that with like the Babadook.

So I was curious if the if this tarry demon is like something that they know about.

Maybe that is the ritual.

Maybe that is something like, you know, you read a book about this demon, like maybe there's and that's why the ritual is so complicated, because some author created this crazy convoluted ritual.

But because I never, when I when I saw the the salt, I was like, oh, it keeps things out, but I didn't think about keeping things in.

So, you know, I was just curious.

I'm wondering maybe it's Australia because everything's flipped upside down, right?

Does the toilet spin the other way?

Maybe, maybe maybe that's how the salt works down there.

But yeah, that was I saw the salt.

I.

Researched that and that's an interesting thought because I was just too late.

What the fuck?

I just assumed it was fiction because it just, it's got a lot of steps.

But then when I was going to write a book about a necromancer and I really did research on what actual necromancers tried to do, I was like, wow, this is really a lot more complicated than it seemed.

You know, you got to dig up the body, you got to wear the clothes of the dead person for like a week and not change.

I'm like, that's not what I thought it would be.

So who knows?

I will have to do research on that and then I will get back to the show because I started to and I'm like, no, I got to talk right now.

But yeah, that's an interesting thought that I can't believe I didn't really dig into yet.

Yeah, I mean, one thing I wasn't able to find in my research.

I mean, it's cool if they came up with their own thing.

I was just curious because it's something I never heard of so I I've.

Never heard of it either.

The the.

Tarry demon, but like I was just curious or however they pronounce it.

I did.

I do.

I do know it's spelled TARI, but like, I didn't know if if that was like a lure of Australia or New Zealand or any of, you know, down there and we just didn't know about it.

And that's that's why it's confusing us.

And maybe an Australian audience is like, oh, it's not demon.

Like we know exactly.

Like we know how we know how the devil possesses people because we watch The Exorcist and like every other movie that came after The Exorcist, but we don't know how this demon works.

Maybe that's just like the same thing.

Yeah.

I mean, that's, that's interesting.

I don't know.

I mean, when I went to the movie, I thought might be like, because I got a little gist of like, you know, my kids watch other trailers and my daughter was like, oh, well, it seems like this.

I'm like, OK, so is this going to be like some kind of native, like aboriginal thing is what I assumed the folklore would be, but then it wasn't.

So that kind of threw me.

And then I just put that on a peg board and forgot about it because I meant to go back to it.

So that that's interesting.

But to me, and I don't know why, it just feels like it's kind of pulled from a lot of folklore and they invented it.

And if that's the case, they did put a little too many steps in it.

I enjoyed some of the steps that I didn't think were necessary, like clipping the father's hair.

And it just seems convoluted to get the kid to fall in the shower and possibly die.

Like, we didn't need to go do all that, did we?

You know, you could have just set something up, like when she was pissing and pouring it on him.

Oh, you're pissing yourself.

You know that?

That's pretty straightforward if you're gonna.

You know what I mean?

I don't know.

Yeah, no, yeah, I would.

I would agree that it's a lot of steps, very convoluted.

And the primary source that we get is the video and that's all in like Russian.

It's like this Russian death cult that's doing it.

And that's like the earliest example we as an audience get.

So I feel like if it was supposed to be something that's, you know, very old and native to Australia or New Zealand, then we wouldn't have Russians in the grainy tape.

Doing it.

So yeah, yeah, I'm not sure about that.

I I assume they invented it for the movie, but I I didn't find anything one way or the other in my research.

Also, I didn't look.

I was just, I, I know that when I left the theatre, it was like on my mind.

I'm like, I wonder if that's like something that they pulled from.

And then I like didn't look.

I didn't.

I never followed up with it.

Neither did I but I think I guess my first thought and this is just me being like we comment old show like adult horror fan.

I'm like, God, you have Avhs player that has clean heads and it's still in decent working order already hooked up and in the shitty VHS, I would have been like fucking with the tracking or something.

That thing was hard and you have to keep going back to it.

And that's annoying because you got to keep your warning and wait for the part.

And then I'm just like, that's a lot of I would just write some shit down or something.

We're in modern times.

But I mean, I did like the touch of it, but it's also the pain in the ass of it.

You know, I love VHSI mean, I grew up in VHSI worked in video stores for years, but I just I with the convenience that I have now, I'm a little spoiled.

I'd be like, no, no, we're going to make this a little easier.

I also, I also feel with if you're going to do a film that's based in maybe it wasn't 2024 or 2025, maybe, you know, maybe it's 2018 when this movie takes place.

But either way it takes it takes place relatively close to now that the idea of the VHS is like an outdated thing.

Like I understand like a lot of people want to hark back to like the 80s like 'cause everyone loves the 80s.

So everyone wants to immediately throw something in there that reminds them of the 80s.

And the VHS is, you know, one of the things.

But I feel like at this point in time, unless you're gonna do a film that takes place in the 90s or maybe even the early 2000s, and, like, you're gonna make pinpoint, like, this is when this takes place.

Like, the VHS should be done.

Like, there should be.

She found a dark website.

Like, you know, like, where there's some people like that.

Yeah.

Because everybody's going around and smartphones are part of the plot, you know?

And even I have given in to the laziness.

I'm one of those people who won't even read stuff on my phone.

I have to have a physical book.

I'm just weird about books.

I don't know, They make me giddy, but so but I mean, even when I'm I'm just like, I'm not gonna write all that down click picture, you know, like there would be a way that I would simplify this, especially if I have to keep harkening back to it.

Like I mentioned when you go on a recipe site to make something.

I don't know if you guys cook a lot, but I always try to find something new to cook.

And so you go there and like recipes all over the goddamn place.

And so I'm just like screenshotting, OK, got it linear.

I can just go right to it.

Like I want it even quicker than it is on the website, you know?

And I think that's most people.

So if it was something that had all these steps, one, I would write it physically, you know, that's me.

But I mean, I think we would need some kind of written representation, but that doesn't translate to a movie very well, does it?

Unless you're like Evil Dead or something and the book comes alive and shit.

So I get it, but it's like the VHS was a not necessary thing.

Could have been a dark web thing, could have been a file, you know, it could have been.

I think you would actually find something that hard and and weird to find, probably hidden in plain sight somewhere on the Internet.

I I feel like doing like the, I mean it is a, and it's somewhat cliche now, but like I feel like if they did the, if they went with the like the web, like the message board, like there's like an occult, like there isn't a like make it so that it's not just her.

Like this is like a thing like elsewhere, like this is like a problem in the world.

Like people.

There is a death cult out there that knows how to do this shit and she's like part of it.

She's like got in like over her head in one of these like these like forum type things.

Maybe even that would have worked better because I, I remember watching the VHS and I remember saying to myself like VHS, I'm like, I don't feel like go back.

From the dead.

Cannibalism.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wait, VHS.

Hold on.

Something, you know, it's, it's weird, you know, it's we joke, but sometimes something that seems out of place can really like knock me like loose for a little bit.

Like I can just look at something and be like left field.

And I get it.

There's a suspension of belief.

Like we're talking about a movie where like, you know, you're bringing back like a cannibal demon to like bring your daughter back.

Like, you know, all, all things considered, all all things considered, who knows what's in this, in this universe, this particular universe.

So maybe VHS is still a thing in 2025 in that universe.

But sometimes I watch something and something that's clearly like outdated, like you see a car that was like, oh, that car wasn't available then.

Like something like that, like knocks me out of that.

It knocks me out of that suspension of belief real fast.

And something like a like the VHS, like it was frustrating because like she kept going back to it and like, it just seemed weird to me that why wouldn't she be looking at this on a website?

Why wouldn't she be looking this on like a DVD like, or, or like a, a disk?

Like why doesn't she have some sort of like save?

Like, you know, it's on a, it's on a thumb drop like anything, anything that may pull.

Me out too, because I mean, I think especially people who love films, which are US and who love horror films especially, which are us, we pay attention to the stuff.

We pay attention to the soundtrack, pay attention to the shots in the movie.

And personally, I like how they shoot angles they can talk to me with when they go back to that chair.

They have great angles in this movie as well.

There's a lot to pay attention to.

You really don't want to get lost in details.

If you have one thing that you're not minding your details on, it will derail everything.

It's like that that thread on your your sweater.

I mean, it starts to unravel a little bit for me as a writer.

I'm like, I want to know the back story of this fucking VHS tape because one I'm like, VHS, How long has this been around?

Why isn't there a different version of it?

How many people know about this?

She's in grief.

Where does she fucking find this?

Who made this tape?

Yeah, yeah.

Can I rewrite this whole?

Can I rewrite this whole thing?

Real quick, the back story of this, because I really, I need to have back story.

I really want to know how do you acquire something like this and why is it only on VHS?

Why has it been transferred?

I've.

Done this Like why don't I know this?

If there was no tape and if the, the the ritual was less convoluted and a little more straightforward, we could see a combination of things, her acting weird.

Maybe there's a token or, or an icon or a totem in her in the home that's revered.

And it's going to be necessary for the, the transfer.

We can, you know, start to see flashes of the, the eating, the regurgitation, you know, eating something that is of someone else and then speaking in their voice.

We can see all that shit happen.

And then both Piper and brother Andy can go to the goddamn library to try and learn a little thing about this.

And it'd be interesting because she's going to be not looking at microfiche, but at like Braille interpretations of newspapers.

And then he can be next to her doing microfiche.

There can be maybe and they can start to see these details.

About like, because maybe there's something in Braille that the club you're seeing people aren't getting.

Now this is what I do.

I write stories.

So it's like, and it's also just in basic, any kind of storytelling that you're doing by by words or by, you know, film or anything like that is you never show the audience anything that's not important.

If you show them something that ends up not being important, you'd be taking away from your story.

If you don't show them enough story or enough of the things, if you show them a phone, there's a reason we got to look at that phone screen.

There's a reason.

There's a reason that we we see the things that we do.

And it's like, so they make a big point of the smartphones.

That didn't have to be a thing.

You really didn't have to.

We didn't have to have that plot.

But since we did, maybe don't go for the VHS.

I'm just saying.

Yeah, And I think, I think it might have made more sense if they did the research together and they were learning, oh, man, like 10 years ago, 30 years ago, all these people had been like devoured and vomited back up again.

And there was this weird death cult.

And like, she could even say, is there a picture?

And there could be a freaky picture.

And Andy could do what he's done in the movie Lie.

Protect.

Her from the scary image.

You got the green light.

Go ahead, Funds.

Yeah, I mean, I agree with that.

And I just thought, you know, having a site impaired actress playing a site impaired role was cool.

And I'm like, how are we going to implement this?

This is important.

And the the way that it was implemented was different than I expected.

I I thought, you know, like when we see these in horror films, it's usually almost like a superpower.

And it was much more that her own daughter was site impaired.

And I was like, OK, I just really thought that there there would be a different use for it.

And, and the use was also to she was easily able to, this was like the perfect situation to fall into Laura's lap.

Her daughter was sight impaired.

Here's this little girl that was about her daughter's age sight impaired, got the older brother, got to get him out of the way.

She can't see the manipulation.

So that's how it's used.

But I guess I would have used it a little bit more superpowerish, I think, But that's just me.

So that's interesting.

We're we're making our film here.

But I I will come back.

Yeah.

So that does Take Me Out.

Not enough.

I mean, I enjoy the film.

I really enjoy the ride and the part with the biting into the counter.

It it when you hear the teeth on something, people always talk about American history.

You just hear the teeth and it's it, you know, it's just like with full teeth, thumbs, it's eyes, it's fingernails, it's teeth.

And those are the things that really get to us, to anybody as an audience, because they're very vulnerable parts of us.

You know, they're very vulnerable.

You pull up a fingernail, we're like ow, you know, the eyes, you kind of, you feel it or, you know, things like that.

So these are like our vulnerable places and some teeth, teeth.

So two things on that.

So one quickly Eyeballs are literally the only thing that can gross me out in horror.

I can watch the most fucked up stuff in the world, but like there's that old foot film, I forget what it is but but where the guy like holds the girl's eye open and he like slits it.

It's like a famous like scene.

It's obviously fate.

But like watching that I'm like that is the most grotesque thing I've ever seen in my life.

Don't ever show it to me again.

For my wife, it's teeth.

She has nightmares where her teeth are like backwards and shit or like they fall out in her face like.

That's an anxiety dream because I had it too I found.

Out when she started when so when he so when Homeboys started gnawing on the table, she like that was like the most.

That was this the worst part of the movie for her.

I mean, eating a knife was one thing because she was like crunching his teeth and like cutting his mouth open, but like him just being like like eating the table.

She was like I I watched her like I watched her like curdle in her own body.

Watching that.

To me, that scene sticks out because I just remember my wife like we're out.

But but the the my wife like, you know, that seemed to always stick out because I saw how like my wife reacted to it and I was like, that's that's funny to me.

But it is because Shawn gets grossed out, like when we watched Dead Alive or or Brain Dead as it's known everywhere else, when they're at the table, it's pretty early on.

The mother's got like the monkey by it or whatever, and she's got that wound on her arm and she sports it into the pudding and the guy eats it.

He will literally like turn away.

And we've seen this movie, we watch it for fun at dinner, but he will not watch that part.

And I'm just like, pussy.

No, But like I was all on board with autocannibalism and I'm like, yeah, we need more of this and stuff.

But like when you're fighting on something solid and like really like ripping apart.

And I, I don't know if this has to do with trauma or a specific thing, but like, you know, I had my upper jaw broken when I was younger and they had to take a bone song there three times and like level it out.

Maybe that's my thing.

I don't know.

But when people like bite on something, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

That's maybe I can still watch it though.

I'm not like Sean where I got to turn away.

I mean, I'm like, oh, gross.

That's really, really gross.

Oh, yeah, with the knife, the teeth, the upper lip and then the table.

I mean, this all happens, right in this one beautiful package.

I mean, this might be at least for right now, the year's not over, but for right now, this might be the horror moment of the year.

Yeah, I think people are still talking about that.

And it's like one of those stand out kind of moments.

And it's like that we would get that, that for me, it's, it's when I was younger, like we're having this great moment.

Wait, wait, wait.

It's gonna get better.

It's gonna get better.

You know, it's not like just sit down and you know, I'm, I'm very serious about watching most stuff, but this I'm like, ha, ha, ha, ha.

OK, we're gonna do this.

I'm gonna make some beer.

And this is gross, so.

If if I've got some trivia on that, should I save it?

Or are we kind of just really freewheeling?

It's free flowing.

I got my old Hostess hat on.

Sorry everybody, we're just really chilled tonight so go for it in my opinion.

Unless Ren, you'd like to wait.

No, I don't care.

It's not my show.

It's your show in A.

Week at all.

So that knife was of course, a rubber mold that the actor was chewing on and then they had a metal one that he used specifically for the tooth moment because that fake tooth had a magnet inside.

So it was a magnetized fake tooth that comes right out of his mouth and hooks onto the knife.

And this actor is 11 years old.

Actor's name is Jonah.

And he insisted on doing his own prosthetics.

So like, you know, he was like, no, no, no, don't just fake it.

Don't just mock it up.

Do for me what you would do for a grown up.

Really.

Come on, make the real 1.

So they had this like upper lip prosthetic that he was really able to just jam the knife up into.

And when they were doing the sound, the metal that we are also enamored by didn't sound quite right.

It was just it just ain't it ain't quite the thing.

And so one of the directors, Danny said, Anna, I got this and he took a knife and went into the recording booth and that metal crunching that we hear that is one of the directors actually chewing on a knife on on microphone.

Oh wow, that's dedication because I'm not chewing on a knife for anything.

What a cool.

Yeah, I'm I'm not gonna do that either, but you know, I don't know, it just to me, maybe it's just I'm weird, but it just sounds like a lot of fun.

You know, it was like how they a little of Thomas, we call them the the magic tricks.

But like fun, I would be the same way.

Like, yeah, let me do that when I was.

A kid?

Oh yeah?

Are you kidding?

This is going to be a dream come true for an 11 year old.

Yeah.

Sounds like so much fun.

I just want to point out that that kids middle name is Ren and it's called like my Ren is no good for him.

So he's the he's the All Star of the movie.

Yeah.

That kid is really talented.

Well, you know, his parents are both actors, so I think that there's a lot of like natural ease that he probably has both doing the work and being on set and working with other actors.

You can tell how how just chill he is.

Whereas sort of who plays Piper.

This is her first on screen performance and I think she does a good job, but I think you can also tell that she's not an actor.

Yeah.

But I think for her role specifically because she was the vulnerable character of the whole thing, I think her clear.

Like not I don't how do I want to wear this?

She doesn't have the acting chops, but I think that's what works for it.

Her being somewhat awkward.

Not because she's blind or anything like that, I'm not saying that, but just her general uneasement of being, you know, on camera, I think plays well into her, the way her character, how vulnerable her character is.

And I thought that, you know, for her being a first one, maybe it was just coincidence that it worked out that way.

But I think if she was like a more seasoned actress, it might not have felt as real.

I felt like I've, I really felt for that girl because it felt a lot of her emotions seem genuine because she doesn't know how to act.

So she just does what would be normal for her.

And I think that that came off making her performance much, much more genuine, especially given the role.

And obviously the role was, you know, designed for someone like her, for her disability.

And I think because she's, you know, she is disabled, she has that disability.

She was able to also give like a sense of realism to that whole like, so I think her whole package and it almost like works in their favor that this was her first film because I think she I think if she was seasoned, her brain would go, well, how would I do this?

How would this character do this?

Instead of just being like, what would I do?

And so she just did what she would do.

And I think that made her character much more believable, much more you, you have much more sympathy for her.

Like you, you feel her vulnerable vulnerability.

And props to the actor that plays her brother because I really felt like he was taking care of her the whole time.

Like I felt like you could see the not only is he is the character taking care of the character, but I also felt like we were watching the actor take care of the actress.

Like on screen times.

I.

Think interesting thing about the two of them.

They spent two weeks during pre production building their sibling relationship through like rehearsals and improv exercises.

They even went to a football game together in character and just kind of interacted with each other as they would if they were brother and sister, you know, at this ball game.

Well, that paid off dividends because their relationship is, like I said, beyond believable.

Like I, I just felt like I was watching the actor taking care of the actress, not just the character taking care of the character.

Like I felt like that bond was there.

Oh yeah, absolutely, As I'm the oldest and I have twin little brothers.

But you know, there's that sense of just genuinely like siblingship of like, I'm the oldest, I'm going to fuck with you, but I'm actually, I'm also taking care of you.

Nobody else is going to fuck with you and I'm only going to fuck with you in predetermined ways like this is, you know, whatever.

So it really felt like a sibling relationship and the love was there.

I mean, it just felt genuine, like I didn't when you don't think about it too much and you just buy it like they sold it.

And her vulnerability in in being an unseasoned actress really works because we need that character of Piper to be a little unsure, a little uncomfortable and and to question things and to just be, you know, that's an awkward age, new setting, dramatic circumstances.

It it just works.

And also it's a big hinge on which other things happen.

So this character is that she has that.

So.

Yeah, I mean, that was good.

This, this some of those organic performances you really feel like you almost couldn't get any other way.

Like you were saying, like it's it works in the favor of the film.

These film makers also really love telling stories about siblings and they're very good at doing it.

Probably because they're siblings.

Yeah, when you know, but I mean, like I it was so funny.

After watching the movie, I immediately hit up my brother and was kind of little quick back and forth about it.

And I mentioned comparing it to talk to me.

Like right away I made that comparison and he went, oh, but dude, they're so different.

And I had this moment and I was like, I'm not trying to be a Dick, but they both deal in sibling relationships.

Sudden family death, isolated at home horror, dangers facing young people, body possession, body horror, physical trauma by demon possession within a human host.

Voices of the dead being spoken through a living host.

And he just, he responded.

Oh, damn, you're right.

But you know what though, I will to give him some like defense Like they do feel like 2 very different films despite covering massively similar topics I don't look at.

It's hard for me to compare other than I'm comparing them based on like a total package.

Like I like talk to me more than I like this or I like this more than talk to me.

But I can't compare them like movie for movie because I feel like they are two different movies, like very they're vastly different movies.

Like so I can see where both of you are, like I can see both of your opinions on that.

Like where you're like, no, this is a lot of the same shit.

And I could also see your brother being like, well, I feel like they were two different movies because one was about a fucking hand that made you talk to the dead and the other one was about a woman trying to resurrect her daughter.

So like those two, like simple plots are are two vastly different things.

They just use a lot of the same mechanisms, which I think probably the next film that the Filipos use will probably use all the same shit again, but tell in a in a like a third, you know, way.

That's my opinion, but.

Well, they pretty much confirmed that it's all kind of same universe.

Like I said, I'm taking a superhero film and whatever imposing it here, but that the.

MC of like.

The people that talk to me, they're like it kind of, you know, you don't really want to move on to this road and you know, they're they kind of confirmed it.

So I mean, I there were similar themes, they were handled differently and it's some different perspectives.

The similarities stop pretty quickly when you watch them.

You can tell the same film makers, you can tell it does feel that same universal, but and, and you know, like you said, a lot of plot points were similar, but they were just handled completely different for the most part.

What's interesting too for me in the in, you know, comparing these two movies, the kind of isolation that you're feeling is very different.

In the first one, there's this isolation of generation and of youth.

We're kind of limited in how we're able to tackle this problem on our own because we're just fucking teenagers.

It's like we're sort of isolated in I'm not literally a neighborhood, but it's like being isolated in a neighborhood.

It's the same kind of feeling that I think it follows was very successful in evoking.

Whereas with Bring Her Back, the isolation is very much located in like 1 single spot.

We are trapped in this house.

It is a car drive away from places.

We're supposed to be here.

All the adults trust this woman.

We are stuck in this house and there's a huge difference between both of those senses of isolation.

That was something that I definitely like clocked when I was comparing them and it was really just ribbon and pretty well.

I mean, I think we've just, we've demonstrated here tonight, you absolutely can compare these movies.

It's almost impossible not to.

But I I would never want to insinuate that I was saying that's the same fucking movie.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, no, I.

Don't wanna.

I don't wanna insinuate that at all.

Talking.

To your brother, which explains the whole thing honestly, because that's how I talk to my brothers.

Like, well, guess what dumbass?

You know, like, yeah, exactly.

You know, my my brothers don't really watch horror very often.

One that does only watches stupid shit and he has bad opinions.

Fuck, you did one.

Thing you're doing.

So if that explains anything and they're just like night and day, but you know, I don't really have that.

But if I did, I'd tell them they were fucking stupid all the time or something.

I would just plan them.

One thing you did bring up that reminded me because like I said, I haven't seen this movie since the first time, you know, since opening day.

The there was a sense of claustrophobia because you said the isolation is like to that house.

And anytime something's isolated to a house, like no matter what kind of movie it is, like where they're they're stuck in a house, you start to feel like the world close in.

Like, at least for me, like I always feel like the world just gets continuously gets smaller and smaller until the ending happens because everything's getting pushed to that like one final scene in one room, like wherever it needs to happen.

This case it was a pool, but like the whole thing, like so I now that you like said that, like my memory was jog like while I was in the theater, because like claustrophobia is like another thing that like I in the moment, I'm like, Oh God, and I'm like gripping my fucking seat, but at when I'm St.

claustrophobic, it's.

About everything.

So I'm not claustrophobic, but when I watch movies that are like that, I I'm like the dissent was really good at I.

Can't get the dissent, makes me have panic attacks.

But that that when it's over, it's kind of like a roller coaster where you're like, oh, scared shitless, but you're like, that was fucking awesome.

But.

So, so when I watch claustrophobic movies or movies that give me that sense of it or like the world closing, like folding in on itself while I'm watching it, I'm like, God damn it, Like my heart's racing.

You know, I'm like feeling like that, that tension, but then when it's over, I'm like, hell yeah.

Like, and that this was a movie that like did that for me because it like, it felt like everything was getting boxed, especially as she was as as Laura was able to like push people out of the way and really like isolate Piper.

It just felt like the world was also getting smaller on that on her.

And like, you know, Oliver's like, stomach is growing.

Clearly some shits like going down.

It just feels like the world became that backyard on like that one room, like with the, the sliding glass and the and the the pool.

And that's like that's all that's where the universe existed.

And by the end of the film, you're just like, it's, you're uneasy because, you know, it's like coming and like I thought I.

Really like the aerial with some of the aerial shots we get especially and we actually see this physical, there's a physical, you know, semblance of the barrier with this, the big salt circle and stuff.

And I'm so we get some really good like visual interpretations of that that like it just looks fucking cool.

But there really is a barrier.

And, and, and like I said, I said holding in most people, you know, you would think it was keeping things out.

No, it's that circle is keeping everything in and, and not just them at that house, but you know, this entity inside Ollie and all of that.

But there's so much more holding in.

And we could take that further because she's holding in this grief and it's manifesting into all this other horrible shit.

You know, I, I really claustrophobia is a more than one sense of the word.

Yeah.

I feel like I have a white noise machine on, so everybody's listening.

And you guys sorry for all the cicadas going nuts behind me or in front of me, wherever they're everywhere.

So I apologize for the white noise.

Maybe we're putting everybody to sleep where I am, but I apologize for that anyway.

Yeah, claustrophobia.

It's it's very literal in The Descent.

But here, yeah, when we get, you know, it's it's present in spam of the canned type movies like Evil Dead, you know, you're you're fucking stuck.

And that freaks me out.

That really fucking freaks me out.

So that sense of it and then just seeing the representation, I really liked how artfully done that was there at the end.

They even find a way to do it through sound.

I've got to talk about the shower and rain because this is another, you know, falling water is something else that these film makers are into.

There's a whole thing and talk to me with water, but it's it's much more present here.

So first of all, the falling rain, just like a shower creates that noise that goes everywhere.

And if you can't see, then your other main, you know, one of your other main ways of navigating the world, hearing has been taken away.

And so your in as in essence more blind than usual.

And so that is a time when the rain is coming down.

That's a time when Andy knows she relies on him even more because he has the empathy to understand what her situation.

Is appearance that causes them to fall in the shower that says your sister's going to die in the rain, and all it starts doing is raining enough to fill up that fucking swimming pool.

Like, that's a lot of fucking rain.

It's a lot of fucking rain.

Reminding me of how it rains in Texas when I lived there briefly.

I lived in like Dallas, Fort Worth area, and it only rained like twice a year.

But when it did, it would rain for like a week and everybody's house would fly.

I mean, it was just crazy.

And then it wouldn't rain anymore.

It was like one of those downpours that just kept coming.

Your sister's going to try to rain, but we're in this huge rainstorm, you know, but.

Because we we learn about the history of abuse and the father would only beat Andy and he always did it with the shower running because the sound made it so that Piper didn't know what was happening.

And because we've established Andy always wants to hide the ugliness from her.

We see that right at the beginning when he pulls down the sun visor.

I love that moment.

He wants to protect her from everything so he never told her about it and she never knew.

So this means that when the rain is falling, she is less powerful.

When the shower is on and that rain is falling, he is less powerful because it puts him back into that PTSD place.

And I just adored how important the film made that and how connected it all was and how it all made total sense and it was so fueled by character and history.

Because his grief was different than Piper's.

Andy had completely different grief with his father.

Like when he tells Piper that the the father looks fine in the casket and Laura's like pushing in to do the stuffing.

Like, you know, so their grief was different.

And that first Laura used that as a further divider between the two.

Completely different grief because completely different experiences.

And once again, Andy hadn't told her the truth.

And of course, at the end, she gets to hear from him through that voice message that Laura had intercepted.

I didn't think she had the message saved.

I don't know why I thought she was just hearing it as he was recording her or something like or she deleted it.

But no, it's still on her phone.

That kind of shocked me.

But it was nice for her to see the the scene with Piper listening to it, you know, so she did get to hear these things from her brother.

But I don't know.

That's another thing that I was like, why didn't you delete that?

What the fuck?

Why was that still there?

I mean, it was just the moment where I had it where I'm like follow through.

I would, I would have been no receipts kind of person I guess if I would, yeah.

I was like, why, why do we have a shot of her seeing the message if she's not going to do anything about it?

We don't need that shot.

We we can just go to later when Piper's listening to it.

I, I oh, shit.

Oh, at first when she drowned Andy in a puddle, I had this moment of oh fuck, are you serious?

But you know.

I was like, well, he.

Did just get he's going to escape.

Well, you know, and he just got completely wrecked by that car, so I guess I can understand like, well, dude, if his spine is fucking fractured, he's not going to be able to put up a fight.

What are you going to do?

And the more I thought about it, and especially as we're talking about it now, she drowned him.

And I wonder if if in a way, he took the drowning that Piper doesn't have to take now.

Yeah, I mean in that typical Big Brother protective way.

And I hadn't thought of it that way until just now.

We were talking you.

Know really, did I put it all together in that way?

So I'm glad you said that because that makes a lot of sense Also.

I like that.

I found that scene to be very uncomfortable.

Like I was actually like bummed out watching that scene.

Like 1.

You wanted him to like survive to like protect his sister, but like there's no music playing.

It's just the rain and she like just eases his face into the puddle and it's like he can't put up a fight.

Whether he's they never really established, like is his spine broke?

Is his back broken or he just like completely concussed and just like can't, he doesn't have like the wherewithal to fight like he just doesn't have the energy, like the strength or whatever.

But either way, like watching her just like push his face in and him like he does put up like a little bit.

You see him like struggle a little bit, but like he, you can just tell he doesn't have the, the, the the strength or whatever to like get out of it.

But I just felt like while I was watching it, I was like, man, this is like, I was like really sad about that, that scene because I was like, what a like shitty way to go.

Like you just got like, like you were almost there.

You almost had it.

And then she takes you out.

Like she hit you with a car and I'm just like, I'm just going to like put you in this puddle and leave you there.

I don't know.

It really didn't sit well with me.

And like, in a way that like looking at the movie, like after the fact, I'm like, well, that was a really good scene because like, it made me feel something.

But like while I was watching it, I was like, man, I'm like really bummed out about this scene.

Like I, I was really rooting for this kid to like save his daughter.

Like I, I was just hoping that that we were going to get like the full good ending.

But he went out.

He went out in such a like, to me, it feels like a tragic way that I like it really like drove the knife into the, you know, there's hard, a little bit harder.

But yeah, that seemed to me like, I know, I know some people were like, oh, man.

I saw some people say like, oh, he was taking out like a bitch.

Like he was just drowned in a puddle.

And I'm like, I think you.

I think, I think the people who saw who saw it that way, like missed the heaviness of that scene to me.

I watched it and I was like, legitimately, like, bummed out watching his character die.

And I was like, damn it.

I was fucked up over it because I was like, this can't be.

This can't just like, more of like a rejection.

Like, no, I don't want this for Andy.

He's come this far.

We're almost there.

I knew Wendy was expendable, but I was like, this, this can't be what happens.

He's going to be unconscious like this.

He's not going to go through with it or something's going to happen.

But nothing did.

You're just kind of forced to watch this thing happen.

And you're like, oh, fuck, fuck.

You know, like, yeah, I had that moment too, where I was just like.

Oh.

No.

Well, there's something about that too, that I like that it just says that like, 'cause we, we look at movies, we're all guilty of it.

Being horror fans is like, we look at it with the rules.

Like we have rules.

And like, sometimes like when we watch a movie that like rejects those rules, it hits it like it's, it fucks us up a little bit.

And I feel like Andy dying that way, it doesn't fit the roles of like, you know, traditional horror.

It doesn't fall into the tropes.

So killing him kind of like it would almost, it's like killing him off camera almost.

It's almost as like insulting, like it was like an insulting killing.

But like, it's so sad.

It's like, you know, I didn't expect that if he died, I expect him to like more of like a trope like where he walks around the corner and she accidentally said Piper accidentally stabs him like one of those type of things.

Like that's how I figured if he was going to die, it was going to be an accident.

Like Piper was going to accidentally kill him because she thought she was going to kill Sally or Laura and she accidentally kills Andy.

Like that's how I figured he was going to go.

Is going to be tragic that way, not like this.

Because the way he dies in this movie to me just doesn't fit what's normal in our.

Felt like, you know, with all the build up of Andy and the protectiveness that he would have a little bit more dignity or something, you know, it was just so like, and, and upon learning of like the abuse and, and just his whole life.

And then the one time that he hit Piper and he has this deep regret about it because he just wanted his dad to love, you know, just that there's a lot of tragedy there.

And he felt for that kid because like in my life, it was my brothers and memes like that.

I was that kid and I just really was, I was really on team Andy the whole time.

So it fucked me up because I don't know, like I just he deserved better.

Yeah.

And when you feel something like that about a character in a movie, that character deserves better.

That's a well-rounded, well known character within the the confines of the story.

Like oh man, that like it sucked.

But I think to to test the the testament of the film makers doing what they did is was a good choice because it made it made the audience feel it.

Breaking the breaking the rules is a smart thing to do.

As much as we can go, aw, we wish it was better.

It's like, well, no, that scene such is as good as it is, it's as impactful as it is because we're feeling this thing that we're feeling right now.

How we're talking about.

We wish you push different.

Still in the the storm with that feeling get the Piper hearing her brother's voice.

Yeah.

All these mouths and you're like, man, you just kicked me in the Dick and I wasn't even done from the first one, like please sucks.

And she's going to discover that he's dead.

And then she does.

You're like, fuck.

So she's almost mirroring what Andy had done to their dad, you know, and discovered like the body and stuff and he wouldn't let her near their dad's body.

And then she has to discover in that way, you know, it's just, it's, it's really awful, but it's, it's also great as far as storytelling.

Yeah, now this poor girl gets put through the ringer and I, I think it speaks to what you were both saying about his death.

It's not heroic.

And with everything that has happened, we we kind of want him to have a heroic death, the death where he sacrifices in a clinch moment to save his sister, but he's even robbed of that.

And that's why I feel that it's so important that she hears that voicemail that he left.

Like especially when he died, there was this thing in my head that went I we're definitely hearing that fucking voicemail now.

Rather, she's going to hear it, is what I mean, because that that just would have been way too cruel.

Yeah, it's so for all in like the ending, however you feel about that, like 1.

I expected something different.

We got what we got.

I'm fine with that, the ending that we got, but just to go a step further and all this devastating shit that we get hit with and then to be hit with an ending like that, I would have been like, fuck you, you know, just in that way.

And they would have felt almost trophy for an A 24 film to do that.

So I guess, you know, in that way I I do kind of prefer this ending.

The more we talk about it, the more I really am locking into this idea that she was going to drown someone that night.

And Andy took the drowning and that was part of what broke her down emotionally, that she didn't have it in her to do it again.

And then to hear mom, you know, to hear Mom and also how much important she put on all the details, recreating everything perfectly.

I think all of these things charged her into this emotional state that that allows, I think or or empowers the choice of, of Piper living and not getting, not getting possessed.

Yeah.

And but when we talk about, when you talk about Andy's death like that, it does actually feel more heroic.

So looking at it through that perspective, I'm like, oh shit, it was right there in front of me.

And my mind was in 15 other places looking at this perspective.

But there it is.

He was still, he still was a hero in a way.

He still, he still saved her like he still protected her at the end.

And it's interesting.

No, I'm sorry.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

Even though it was involuntary, he like, still did it.

Like it was still like he still had his like 1.

Like he took he, you know, he took it for her, whether he knew it in the moment or not, you know?

And as an older sibling, a lot of times we have an impact on our younger siblings in ways that we didn't intend or we didn't realize.

I mean, I can't tell you how many conversations I've had with my younger brother where he's like, oh man, you said this this one time and I never forgot it.

And I'm like, I said that, you know what I mean?

Like we don't always understand the good that we're doing because it's, it's how they take it and they take it in.

And again, I hadn't come to any of these exact conclusions until we all three talked about it tonight, like.

This conversation.

Brought me to that.

Conclusion Interesting.

People like us.

So I just don't.

I'm also an older sibling, and I don't like to make people uncomfortable with my personal life.

But I'm pretty open about certain things that I think are important.

And I think sometimes it's what you bring to the movie.

As an older sibling and as the one who took all the protective hits, my brothers and I, it made us have different childhoods.

You know, I'm four years older than them, and our dad was an abusive drug.

So I took that.

And my brothers had this different life.

And sometimes they would be like, oh, well, you just got something to prove to the world.

And I'm just like, I have to prove something to everybody.

It caused strain.

I'm like, you don't know how it was.

I was protecting you.

So they don't thank me.

They're just like, you're fucking weird.

I'm like, I tried, I tried really hard.

So it caused us to fight for a long time.

Now that we're in our 40s, we don't do that as much.

But you know, I, I think they've come around, but it's just like I was, that's exactly what I wanted for them to have, but I didn't really think they'd be so nasty about it.

So, you know, it really made me think about my relationship with my brothers and just that 2 for one package of them being twins is really fucking infuriating.

But we get what we get.

My kids are 7 years apart.

So I've got a 25 year old and an 18 year old.

And so they've had these completely different childhood experiences, but my daughter is extremely protective of her younger brother, you know, So, you know, siblings, there are some things that are always true.

And there's some things that are, you know, just a personal journey.

So it can turn out differently for all of us.

But it did make me think on that.

I did have some personal notes that really struck with this film.

Like I said, I hope I didn't make anybody uncomfortable because it's my life.

I'm fine with talking about it.

I don't want it to be weird.

So yeah, I had some personal things from this that I thought were really handled well.

And truthfully, you know, it felt right.

And that's why I was really attached to the character Mandy.

And it really fucking bummed me out.

I was like, no, no.

Well, the actor really rocks that part.

You know, I mean, all of the actors in this are lovely.

That guy, his name is Billy.

I don't have last names for these people, but he auditioned for Talk to Me and they loved his audition.

They really wanted to put him in that movie, but there just wasn't a spot for him.

So then when they were casting this, he was one of the first people they thought of.

They were like.

Shit.

Billy Barrett.

Oh my goodness, of course it.

I love Billy Barrett.

And the only other little fun fact I've got here that I'm just going to ram in is that dancing, wrestling, drunk party sequence that was all done in one just never ending 30 minute take where, you know, the actors were just improvising and music was playing and the directors were shouting suggestions.

And they just took that big long 30 minute cut and they built that whole scene in the editing room.

That's awesome.

Yeah, I mean, it feels very organic, but even though I was really uncomfortable and I don't, again, I don't know if this is a mom thing, but when they're leaving the the the funeral and she's like, So what do you guys like to do for fun?

I'm thinking, bitch, they just left their dad's funeral.

But you know, whatever, I'll hold that back.

And and he says get wasted and she's like, OK, and she's serving Piper and him drinks.

I just feel very uncomfortable about that.

Like it's just like the you talk about you were a therapist, you work with kids, your social work, whatever you were and you had your own kid.

But this is what you're doing.

And I understand why she did.

It is another way to get control, get some information from Andy, But it's like Piper's way too young.

So it made me uncomfortable the entire time.

Like just like, oh God, this, this won't go anywhere good.

And the it's that kind of secretiveness that you're not supposed to have from adults.

Let's we don't have to look at each other when we tell these these things.

You know, I'm like, oh, I this is really fucking uncomfortable.

Of course you're supposed to feel that way, but it's just.

Very manipulative.

Thing about the movie for me, not the the nice bite to eat was that shit.

I'm like, oh, I don't like this.

It's.

Very manipulative.

Like from Jump Street.

Yeah.

And, and it's, and it's like, you know, I, I didn't grow up in the 80s, but I grew up in the 90s and man, were bad decisions made.

So like I was, I, I feel like I had plenty of training wheel experiences with alcohol and drugs at an early age.

So I kept waiting for somebody to be like, no, no, no, you'll have half a shot and that's it.

But nobody did.

They were like, yeah, no, give her another.

What is.

It's from dusk till dawn in here where Juliette Lewis is like, I'll have another.

Yes, thank you.

Yeah.

No, no.

So, yeah, No, that.

I'm not a parent, but I am a school teacher.

And that gave me anxiety.

I was like, what are you doing?

Don't give the child liquor.

To me, that scene was the only like, see that that's the scene that took me out of the film for like a a moment.

Like we talked about the VHS thing.

That was enough to jar my ADHD loose a little bit.

But like the allowing the daughter to drink.

I'm like, this is a weird choice for the directors to to allow to allow Piper to drink, like you said, a half a shot to and her don't.

I don't like it.

And that would be and then them to getting wasted and she's just like kind of laughing at them being fools would have made more sense.

But allowing like a 12 year old to get like hammered was a little don't really wrong.

I have some friends of mine that you know they'd steal their like parents beer or liquor from the thing at like 1213 years old.

But like no one was like partying with adults like drinking alcohol like it.

I don't know.

That scene just seemed weird to me.

Like and after the whole film is all over, even with how eccentric Laura is, like Sally, but the the IT seemed that seemed out of place.

That seemed like an out of like it seems like an out of place scene.

I just remember watching it kind of being like like cringing and not in the like cringing good cringe, like like, you know, totality of the film, but like I cringed while that was happening.

I was just like the scenes really weird.

Maybe they maybe they drink at 12 in Australia, but like this is just like a weird thing for me.

I was literally about to, I was going to bring that up that I, it made me wonder if there was some sort of a cultural difference in Australia regarding alcohol, if it just kind of happens at an earlier age.

Pretty chill in Australia about most things.

I mean, they're just laid back people if you've ever met Australians.

But no, I mean it's it's not socially acceptable.

The.

Predatory nature of it is like to get hyper wasted, pass out.

Andy's obviously more experienced.

He brought up let's get wasted.

She can pick Andy's brain where he has less.

I mean, and if you think about and and and nobody really likes to think about this, but like anybody that's being predatory, this is what they do.

Yeah.

That's.

Exactly why it was.

Like that it makes sense, it makes sense, but like at the same time, like watching it live like happened, which it just it really like it's the one scene where I was kind of like, all right, can we Fast forward through this?

Because like I don't like it.

It just made me feel it didn't make me feel uncomfortable in like the good horror uncomfortable.

It made me feel uncomfortable just for the sake of being uncomfortable.

And I was like, I don't know, like it seems seems weird, like having a 12 year old get drunk.

And the whole context of it just seemed weird.

Like like you said, if she had just done like a shot and like spit it all over the table was like, Nope, I'm not interested.

I'm 12.

But yeah, the fact that she kept, like, taking drinks and she was, like, putting them down, like she had been drinking in a while was like, weird.

But she wasn't drunk after like, two shots.

Like, I don't drink at all.

I'm probably double the size of that girl.

If I took two shots, I'd probably be, you know, a Looney Tune.

I would be on rare occasions drink because grew up with an alcoholic father.

So I've never been much of A drinker.

I have like a little bit and I don't even drink a full drink.

When I do have a drink, I just I've never acquired the taste.

But it just, it just felt like she drank a lot more than any 12 year old I know could handle before she passed that.

My ass would have been drunk after like you, like you said, like two shots.

I have very low.

I just don't drink so.

Apparently the the actress had never acted on screen, but apparently had been drinking since age 6.

So, you know, just able to put it away.

I don't know.

Oh, I do have one other fun fact.

I lied.

I do have one more that table, that table that our little actor Ollie was munching through.

OK, so that was that was like, Oh no, actually it's wood.

That was just everything's cake.

Everything's cake.

Oh, right, right.

Is that cake?

It was a Sup so wood, which is like this super soft wood and it was hollowed out and coated in chocolate so that he could really just go to town on it and enjoy it.

But when they were they were all doing interviews for the press junket, the young actor made a comment.

He said, like, yeah, it was supposed to be chocolate, but the part I bit down on didn't have any on it.

And I just kind of had to keep going.

And the other guy and the director was like, no, no, no, we coated the whole thing in chocolate.

What are you talking about?

It was great.

And so they are.

So if you watch these interviews, they are so goofy and they are so jokey 1/3 of the time.

I didn't know if they were giving us real facts or if they were just fucking with me okay 1/4 of the time.

That sounds like a good cast experience.

If you ever acted that's, that's a great and rare thing.

Watching those dudes do interviews, I'm like, how do they pull these?

How did they pull these two stories out of them?

Like they're so dark in certain places and you when you see these guys interview like I don't know if they don't like I think the only emotion they have is smiling.

Like I feel like I've never seen them like not smiling.

And I'm like man, these like 2 happy brothers.

Like they're happy all the time.

They're just like enjoying life and they like pull out these like 2 fucked up movies.

I have no doubt that the third one's gonna be as fucked up.

Like like where does this come from?

Like.

A lot of Australian culture, like a lot of people there are just like that.

It's just something I'm like, man, I wish I had some more of that in my life, you know, like that.

I wish I had that joy to be like to Midwestern relaxed shit.

We never get really happy.

We never get really sad.

We're just kind of there.

But yeah, like I enjoy that.

Like that is is infectious.

And so, you know, every time you see them, yeah, they're they're really easy going and the cast is just really phenomenal in this.

So yeah, just accolades for all that.

That is that is amazing.

I think when you, when you work on something as dark as this, you really got to have a lot going on behind the scenes to like get you through and make you, you know, make sure you're enjoying your experience.

They've always said that work.

What was it?

There was like a phrase about it.

Like working on a comedy is difficult, but like working on a like a serious, like a drama is funny.

Like everyone has like the everyone has the best times when they're working on like the serious movies and they have like the more serious times when they're working on the funny movie.

Something There's there's a, there's a, there's a line and I can't remember what it is, but someone, some famous actor said that he's always had a better time making serious films than he did ever making like a funny.

Yeah, you got to keep your fucking shit together because you know the serious scenes and having to refilm them and refilm them and bring up that performance.

Yeah, you got to.

You got to have something to keep keep going or just get really dismal.

I think it's something to the effect of tragedy is simple, comedy is murder.

Yeah, yeah, probably.

Yeah.

Like when we talk about the ancient Greek comedians in the ancient Greek, like who writes the tragedies?

The comedies are a lot less found than the tragedies.

You know, it's just a lot easier to one act in those, to write those.

And then, you know, the comedy is just so much harder because it's so much harder to like, nail all the points, to nail your performance, to nail, you know, the comedic timing.

It's it's really fucking yeah.

No thanks.

I don't want to do that.

Well, in so much comedy has a shelf life also, you know the the term that you always hear thrown at comedies from 20 years or more ago.

People will always say, well, that hasn't aged well.

And sometimes it's not even because something is now like considered widely offensive.

Sometimes it's just like, well, you just got to understand in the 70s, that was funny.

It's like, I don't get it.

It's like, well, yeah, you don't get it.

It's 2025.

This joke makes no sense anymore.

But like, that can happen too.

So that's another reason why comedy is not always, not exclusively, but often is so tied to the moment that it came out.

Whereas yeah, when?

The tragic tales, they stay relevant.

And when I got the jerk, it came out on Blu-ray.

I was like telling my kids how funny it was and how much I loved it.

And it was a little older for me.

You know, my mom got me into it.

So I was like, God, it's so fucking funny.

And I hadn't seen it in like decades or something.

I put it on and I'm like, huh, that's funny.

They're like, this is problematic.

Immediately I'm like, I I understand.

But it was, you know, this.

And I'm just like, no.

I always say Animal House is the funniest movie that was ever created.

And I've like, my niece has watched it and she was like, that wasn't funny at all.

And I'm like, all right, I give up.

I'm old now.

I'm old now.

I was about to talk about airplane, I was going to say.

My airplane.

Is the bomb.

Airplane.

The kids are just like, this is so dumb and slapsticky and these jokes are weird and I'm like, what do you think is funny?

Like, I don't understand, but I'm not a big comedy person.

Anymore.

We're all old now, that's what.

I've I'm old at 27.

When I had my last child I was like oh fuck, I'm too old for this.

So I've been old forever.

But I also people think that my daughter and I like almost exactly alike.

And we talk the same and they're, they think we're a lesbian couple because my daughter is all very obviously a lesbian.

I'm like, oh God, there's so much wrong with that.

This is my daughter.

They're like, there's no way you're in your 40s.

I'm like, fuck you.

I don't even have makeup on.

They're like, no, no, no.

And she looks older and you guys look gay.

And I'm like, I'm kind of gay and she's very gay and she's my daughter.

You know, there's just all this stuff.

I'm going off like no, you're tangent.

Like you're like, no, I'm her mom.

And they're like, oh, you're like, no, no, no, no.

Literally she came out of my vagina 18 years ago.

My.

Kids were cute.

Literally 10 LB and 11 LB.

They didn't come out of any Vetti's vagina.

I.

Shouldn't have presumed?

Excuse me?

But we're all good on there.

But no, I mean, it's kids keep you young and they make you old.

It's hard to explain.

Like I've always been very in touch, like my kids grip on cartoons because I wanted to watch cartoons, you know, and they're SpongeBob people and what have you, the Alamo, they're doing SpongeBob.

My kids were like, oh, can we please go see it on Victoria?

I'm like, yes, I like SpongeBob.

And I know you like SpongeBob Newman.

We talked about SpongeBob a little bit.

I was like, yeah, fucking SpongeBob.

But I'm in touch with my inner child.

But also you feel like wise beyond your years and also done with everything.

So whatever.

Speaking on parenthood, yeah, I I'm just glad they're grown.

But also I'm old at the end of it all.

I am so fucking tired and old and they still live here.

One's out of college, one's out of high school.

I'm like get the fuck out of my house, love you, but get the fuck out of my house.

Ren, did you say you have?

Sidebar.

I mean, again, speaking spending on parenthood.

Did you did you say you had looked up some reviews, Ren?

Yeah, I have.

So I put it out on the socials.

I only got 1 from a non horror flicks and guitar person, but all three of the four of my boys over the on the podcast all got back to me.

So I have those and obviously I have my own review.

But Kenny, I don't know.

Do you want to go with the the reviews?

Yeah, let's do it.

All right, so, yeah, so Travis over at the Horror Flicks Guitarist podcast, she's also in a band called Atomic Rule.

And he said I loved it.

I probably give this an 8.73 out of 10 because he like, he knows about the Nico thing.

So he gave me a fun decimal.

Yeah.

So 8.73 out of 10, He's like, and that's not, he's like, that's just me trying to not sound like a total mark for it.

So far it's kind of been my favorite film of the year though.

Phil from over at the Harflex Star Picks podcast said he gives Bring Her Back a solid 7.02.

He's like a 24 is trademark.

Slow burn wasn't bad on this, but it wasn't terrific either.

Definitely could have gotten to the point sooner.

That said, once it got going it was pretty fucking good.

It tied things well and satisfied his thirst for brutality.

Check it out, definitely worth a watch.

And then last Tim, the, you know, brainchild of Harflex and Star Picks, said the Philippa brothers had such a strong debut it was almost impossible to go in to bring her back with little expectations.

Not only did they deliver on every aspect, but they upped the game as well on their sophomore effort.

Instead of having light hearted moments with the characters as we get to know them, like and Talk to Me, we're immediately thrust in a dreadful situation with our two main characters that has you on your edge or on the edge from start to finish.

Can't wait to see what they do next with Deathmatch Wrestling Doc and Talk to Me.

I'm officially seated for all future efforts from this duo.

8.5 out of 10.

I'm surprised, I guess, but I, I like those reviews.

I, I, I just know that they can be sticklers and I, I just didn't think they would be as impressed as they were with it.

So I'm really happy to hear it.

Yeah.

And I didn't really reach out too much recently about this.

I did originally when we were going to do this and I have since lost any other.

I think I got a couple of reviews and I'm so sorry if I lost your reviews.

Probably hate when I host because it gets real blonde up in here.

But I did ask my husband and my daughter just never got back to me which is typical.

But some review I will flesh it out.

It says 9.72 just to irritate laugh emoji.

Amazing story driven psychological horror film.

He enjoyed the scenes the the gory scenes.

He had a really good time with this.

I think he he liked it as much as talk to me.

He went to it with high expectations and it met them.

So a 9.72 is really high from Johnny is really picky and I think we flip-flopped on like sinners in this movie because I preferred Sinners and you know, Ryan and I talked about that like sinners is my movie of the year so far and bring her back would be after that and he didn't feel the way I felt about sinners.

So we kind of flip-flopped.

That's a little sneak peek into my review, but so First off with.

Newman, you got anything?

Yeah.

I was trying to elicit some like right now last minute, like I texted my brother.

I was like, dude, you want to rate bring her back out of 10 right now?

I mean, we were talking about it on the phone literally this afternoon.

So it's not like this comes out of nowhere.

But he didn't, he didn't see that text yet, I'm guessing.

And I said the same thing to my wife who's in the other room and I don't think she saw it either.

I do know for a fact that when I first watched this the other night and I got to the end knowing I was going to have to come and do an out of 10 rating, which is usually not my Forte, I was going to put it at A7.

And she said, wow, that's generous because she she also was really focusing in on the shortcomings of the movie as soon as it was over.

This conversation has really opened the movie up to me and like has really raised my estimation.

So I'm giving it an 8 out of 10 because I again, everything we talked about tonight, lots more thumbs up, but it doesn't change this.

I really, really liked it.

I didn't exactly love it and I kind of wanted to love it because talk to me fucking loved it.

Yeah, Sinners at this point is my movie of the year and maybe I want to watch this again, but as of right now I don't have this on my list for best of the year, so I think I might want to give it another look just to see if I was short changing.

It because a lot more slides into place.

You don't have your brain going in five different directions.

You can focus on some little detail.

So I do recommend a second viewing.

Also, Ren, I got to say, now we're all forget forever.

You're giving Colonel Kurtz right now, and I kind of love it.

Yeah, that's I don't even know what happened.

I guess my bulb blew out, but yeah, that.

Was just like that was interestingly spooky.

Yeah, while we're doing a horror movie.

So I was thinking about, yeah, I should come back with my face painted green like in Bjambi from Pee Wee Herman, like.

A hidey ho.

So I guess I'll go next with mine.

As we've said, sinners is sinners is my favorite film of the year so far and looking at because I always rank my films because at over hard fix and Tarbix, we always do an end of the year like round up, like what's our top ten overall films at top 10 horror films?

So I already have my list.

Like it's constantly, you know, in fluctuation and bring her back is in in the top five right now.

But I did really, but I did really like it.

I was, I went into this conversation with the idea of a 7.5 and although my opinions on it have changed a little bit, like opened up about the whole like did maybe Andy took the drowning for her and stuff like that.

Like stuff that I didn't think about before.

I'm still going to sit on a 7.5.

I think that's about it.

And I love Talk to me like I think about in the comparison, talk to me was one of it was top three.

The year came out and it was like one.

It was one of those like I can move this around.

It could be two, it could be one, it could be 3.

Like depending upon what day you asked me, it would it would have moved around, bring her back.

Even on a second watch, I don't know.

It's going to jump above certain films.

Like, you know, there's like I'm trying to think of something like companion was too good to keep it out of the top, like, you know, top three.

I really like presents 28 years later, I think was a better film.

The Monkey I think was a better film.

So while I really liked it and it's, you know, it was a very strong film, It's it's strong enough to definitely get me to go watch whatever the next movie is opening night.

Probably don't even need to know much about whatever the movie is like, oh, the new Philippo brothers movies out.

Sure, I'll go watch it.

But it didn't quite hit as strong as talk to me is like talk to me is on HBO like all the time, and I'll just watch it from wherever it's at.

So I don't know that Bring Her Back has that that type of rewatch ability.

I do want to see it again.

I will watch it again.

Maybe I'll earn the physical copy when it comes out, but I am not going to be watching it nearly as much as I did Talk to Me.

So it's definitely not going to sit as high on my top ten list as Talk to Me did.

So like I said, 7.5 but I definitely recommend it for people.

Yeah, these are some really solid reviews.

I am I have no rhyme or reasons my, my rankings or, you know, my, my ratings.

I should say everybody who's been on shows with me will see me wildly under like the Shining 1, you know, this movie, 10 and like, but you have 30 movies or 10.

I'm like, yeah, I do.

It's it's there's no rhyme or reason.

So I wanted to give this not a super high score, but not an underwhelming score.

And I was toying between like 8.7 or like a 9.2.

I'm going to go with the 9.2.

I put a little bit more thought into it.

It's really good.

And if you're not nitpicking and you're not comparing, which is it's a little hard to do when you have certain expectations coming into the film.

And this also, I'm bumping it up because I love psycho bidding movies.

Let's fully bring them back.

I really thought we were going to have this huge renaissance because of X and then it didn't fully happen.

So these these little notes, they they mean a lot to me personally.

It's just let's let's bring it back.

Let's make some trash out of this because that's it was so enjoyable to visit this films.

So I mean, there's just, and there's so many places in horror that we can go and there's some of these gems that we need to hit, like the psycho buddy.

So it's fun.

There were some great moments.

I thought about it, not like I did about sinners where I couldn't get out of my head.

But you know, the thought was there.

I'm like, I got to show other people this like, oh dude, you got to see this.

It's great.

It was, it had that energy to it, but also handled the seriousness really well.

So yeah, I'm going to go with the 9.2.

We're all trying to annoy Nico.

Yeah.

So I don't know what my daughter would rate it.

She liked it, but she talked through it.

So I don't know how much she fucking saw, honestly.

But she did like it.

And considering I've seen like every horror movie as it's come out this year, I'm really on top of it this year.

There are just movies that I would that surprised me that were better than I thought.

And there were some movies that were so good.

And there were some movies like Final Destination Bloodlines.

I'm like Tony Todd, you deserve better.

But it was nice to see you again.

I am not a fan of Final Destinations.

Did anybody else see the ugly step sister?

Yes, I loved it.

Now that is on my list for best of the year.

That movie.

God, I sat down the shutter and watched it the other day and like nobody wanted to watch it with me.

So I was like fuck you, I'll get the cat and I enjoyed it and I was telling them about it.

I'm like, what the fuck?

Could you sit down for a little bit and watch this with me?

It was really good.

I really highly enjoyed The Ugly Step Sister.

I need to watch it, it's been recommended.

Can you actually just like sold it to me the other day but I haven't been able to get around to watching it yet.

When you get there, it it's so enjoyable.

It's right up your alley.

I think it's it's like your taste, which I feel like I can guess at this point in our friendship.

Like what you would like.

It's it's incredibly awesome.

I don't think that that's true because I've listened to some of these podcasts where you're like, Ren gave it a what?

Because so I keep you on.

Your checking to see if you're as you've been paying attention.

I'm going to roast it.

No, I mean, it's just my outrage at anybody.

I'll just, you know, like, hey, how dare you disagree?

But on that note, we're going to see what other people thought of this film we have on IMDBA 7.2, which is pretty good for IMDb, nitpicky as people can be on that.

We'll get to that one in a minute, OK.

And on Metacritic we have a 7.5, again higher than I expected.

Yeah, metacritics usually really hard on things.

Yeah, so that's it is still pretty high and it's been out for a bit, so I really expected it to be a little lower.

Everybody to come in and grumble and groan about it, but I'm just shocked to see it that high.

So on that note, we're going to play our guessing game.

I'm not as fun at it as Ian is, and I'm not as good at it as Nico.

Nico, God, he's like a sorcerer.

You hear me?

Wildly get it wrong every week.

So.

I I know the I know the answers to this, so this is all on Newman.

'S OK, Newman.

All right, So what do you think the Rotten Tomato critics gave Bring her back?

98.

Flip those are out 80.

989.

Pretty good.

What do you think?

Now this can go either way.

The audience gave bring her back.

98.

Lower.

95.

Oh, way lower.

Oh, 88.

79.

Really, that surprises me quite a bit.

That's not bad at this game.

It's really much better to be in my seat now than me trying to get something like, I don't know, I.

Watching this film and knowing those scores, this seems like a critics movie more than an audience, because I know some some friends of mine that like hard, they're not like necessarily as like entrenched as we are, but I know that really like hard walked out and bring her back being like, it was fine, like they weren't moved by it.

So I, I know some people that I would have expected to have better reviews of it that walked out of it thinking it was nothing.

And then I know some like genre fans that were like, Yo, that's might be my favorite film of the year.

So I can see it being I can see it being a critic film because it's, it's done so well.

It's almost like art house to integrate with the way it's shot and whatnot.

And those tend to the critics tend to favour those films because they, you know, all want to, they all want to act like they know more than the average person.

So they so they're like, oh, the cinematography was so great.

It reminded me of some film from 1940 that the Philippo brothers never even heard of.

But like, I don't know like some some films like this like hearing no scores that that the critics score was way higher makes sense to me.

They never make sense to me because I was wildly wrong in the wrong ways.

I would have if I were coming into this guessing and not knowing I would flip those scores around.

I would always.

I always get it completely the exact wrong way.

Because I usually feel like the the audience scores are usually like, let me try to think of a film like it's recent.

So that until Dawn film that came out, it's trash.

It's it's, it's the main character.

It's the main characters just getting marked over and over again it.

Was better than I thought it was going to be, but it's not saying much.

I thought it was dead dog shit so.

But the critics hated it, and I think the critics hated it and the audience loved it.

So like, it's one of those like, I feel like in the general sense, especially on something like Rotten Tomatoes, who's going to respond to that?

You have more casual fans that like just go to movies like, oh, that horror movie looks fun and they go and see it.

They're not like going to go see some like niche film.

And I feel like that that audience gives like, you know, Final Destination Bloodlines, like better reviews than they would, you know, something that has substance and stuff like that.

So like I, I, I can understand a film, any actually any of the a 24 films, when I hear that the critics give it a way better score, I'm like, yeah, that makes sense.

Because I feel like the average audience doesn't want to see something that's got a little bit.

They want to see blood and guts and jump scares.

They don't want to have their emotions fucked with.

Like that's where I'm at with like, I don't, I don't need to, I don't need to see, you know, someone get their head chopped off.

I've seen that 6,000,000 times, but fuck me up on a spiritual level and we're good to go.

Like that's where I'm going to be with like horror Movies Now.

You got to find a way to those hardcore fans because like hardcore horror fans, we're we're we are your physical media consumers.

Like outside of classical films, it's or on par with that's your horror fans.

We we do the physical, we go to the cons.

We we talk about this show on podcast.

Like we love this shit.

So but like sometimes I, I have a hard time guessing what the average viewer would think because I overthink it.

I'm like, I don't know, like I have no depth to guess this from.

I'm so far in this lake.

I couldn't tell you like what that person over there thinks.

I, I can wildly guess wrong because I, I'm not your average viewer.

So that's why I'm bad at the rotten tornadoes game.

And I over I'm, I mean about critics because like, oh, Becca, my old show, when we covered one of my favorite films of all time, Maniac from 1980.

The intro to that was Gene Siskel's review on the old show, like from that from 1980, just shitting on Maniac just.

And they were actually like showing the clips that they were telling people not to watch.

It was crazy.

But yeah, I'm just like, I really hate critics.

Even as I sit on a podcast and criticize movies, I don't like critics.

That's just me.

So yeah, I, I'm just really bad at it.

So I can't ever take too many people unless I really trust their taste and I've spoken with them about films.

I can't take their advice I have a brother who casually the one that does watch for will casually watch something he had me and I have not forgiven him Watch cabin in the woods told me it was super scary I and.

This I thought, I thought you're going to shit on it not being good.

That movie rolls.

He like to expect something that it wasn't.

Yeah.

And so I haven't forgiven him for that.

And like, you don't even understand what meta is.

Like what?

You, you don't, you don't even understand the film.

Get out of this.

Go stay in your lane.

Like he watches dumb shit.

Like the dumb shit.

So I haven't forgiven him.

I don't take my my mom will say a movie is good, but she says that about every movie.

So I don't listen to my family, but I will listen to you guys about a movie because I know how you know.

So yeah, I'm not good at guessing people 6.

But on this, I'm glad that I forced you to watch this movie.

And I'm sorry you spent $20.

So what I I should, I was just, I was just letting truth spill out of my fucking mouth that that didn't need to be saying a price, you know?

Because I am not tech savvy.

I am very Luddite.

In a million things I would have been like 20 bucks is 20 bucks per second.

That's easier.

I don't feel like splitting the time to to go look for it or do something.

My kids and all that shit and I'm like shut that now.

Also, you're inside a window inside my laptop.

If you guys were out here with me looking at my laptop, you'd pity me like this is a clunker.

I, I don't know what it's capable of even doing, so like I just I.

I I write my my novels and my stories and my shit on it and as long as I can type on it, we're good and I can save my files.

I I'm just, I don't care enough about it.

It's not because I'm dumb.

I just my, I have ADHDI hyper focus on things and if it doesn't interest me I can't retain any information.

I'm just like.

Did we get a final score in ranking for this thing?

This is going to rank pretty high, I think.

I, I was a standard.

I really thought there would be more discourse on the scores, but they were all relatively high.

I thought we'd have some more outliers or I would run across them, but I really didn't.

And I thought since it's not like it just came out two weeks ago, it was enough time for people to sit with it or other people to more people to go out and see it or whatever that we would have some more scores.

So I'm I'm pleasantly surprised that it's it's much higher than I thought, honestly.

I can't wait to see where it ranks.

Yeah, I, I'm curious like I don't, I don't really know.

I, I'm and I'm bad at guessing as we've established.

So I, I'm not, I don't know.

I still think it's, it's going to rank pretty high at the end of the year, but I would be OK if people want to like try harder and, and throw me similar movies that will be good.

Like I'm, I'm, I'm, I want to, I need to go see together.

I, I, I'm interested in it.

I'm hoping it's going to be good.

Just haven't made it there yet to do this.

So I I there are movies that are coming that I'm really hoping are going to fill out my like rankings of the year, but centers.

I really can't see anything dethroning that that movie would not like the soundtrack was in my head.

I was thinking about the movie I was thinking of, you know, I just kept going over it, so.

I'm excited about that, Guillermo del Toro Frankenstein.

Yeah, I'm going to, you know, I've, I've been fucking with every movie this year.

So I I'm definitely excited.

I love Guillermo del Toro stuff.

So we'll see.

What do you think?

What Diama del Torres film?

I mean, is there anything that you think can come along and and really get up high in your rankings for the year that or something that you're really looking forward to that you haven't seen or is coming out?

I'm trying to.

Think what even coming out this year.

Weapons is weapons.

Is weapons might be might might be the if if there's the one that's going to dethrone sinners, which I don't think it will.

Sinners was just kind of too.

Perfect.

So fucking good, right?

But if God damn, what a film.

But if something's going to challenge for #2 Weapons is probably the film I might.

Pumped about weapons because.

Barbarian was so fucking good that.

Good, right?

Yeah, that that I have like really high expectations for this.

Yeah, Sean's really pumped for that win.

We both are really excited about together.

Just, you know, I, I just think, you know, Plus with the fall coming, they try to like glut them out in the summer and the fall.

So it's a great time.

And that's when the drive in's open.

So I'm, I'm hitting every movie now and they have a lot of really cool Kung Fu movies going on through.

Sorry, but yeah, there.

So there's a lot of great movie stuff out there.

If you can go to like Fathom Events, they show like old stuff, so and they've got Texas Chainsaw Day coming up in August, so I've always got to go see that.

That's August 18th.

There's fun experiences out there.

I want to be surprised.

I want stuff to come along and surprise me.

Something I'm excited about is that I I never bothered to see Terrifier 3, so I'm like waiting until Christmas of this year.

So for me and me, only this Christmas, Terrifier 3 comes out.

It's a fun.

Movie I'm always I don't know, I love Terrifier.

I really like all the movies.

I really the first one was that good beginning Terrifier 2 just like was when the the the stride hit.

But I really enjoyed 3 so I hope that you will enjoy it.

It will be a nice little Christmas gift to yourself.

I'm, Yeah, I You know, for someone who's seen all 5 Silent Night Deadly Night films, it feels like this just needs to happen.

Garbage day.

Oh my God.

It's like you hit my knee with one of those little reflex hammers.

I just did it.

I am, I don't know if you guys are as read as much as I do, but The Long Walk is coming out in September, which all the great things come out in September.

Like me.

I'll be 46, but I am excited for that.

Mark Hamill as the Major is so exciting to me and that is one of those books when I read it.

This is novella.

When you read The Long Walk, your feet hurt you.

You've, I, I mean, I, I'm a person, I have to take muscle relaxers and medications because of my spine effects like my legs and my feet.

And it hurts even more since then.

But I've been reading The Long Walk since I was a little kid.

So I'm, I'm really hoping it's gonna be good.

And that would be horror.

Not a traditional horror movie, but it is definitely horror.

It is.

That's a nasty book.

That, Oh yeah, that book is.

Follow you up and that that also reminds me.

So that's that's a movie I'm looking forward to.

And then Edgar Wright did the a book translation of The Running Man, like he's doing it actually based on the book as to the Arnold Schwarzenegger stuff.

That I was like, no.

No, no, so I, so I love, I love the cheesy Arnold comic book version of The Running Man, but I want to see the real.

So for me, I always say The Running Man is probably my favorite Bachman book with The Long Walk probably being #2 like a very close #2 again, one of those it's like 1A1B type thing.

So I'm really excited to see the interpretation of the novel as opposed to the version that we got.

Like I think the it's it does the trailer, excuse me, doesn't make it look as bleak as the book, which I'm OK with.

There's definitely some of the Arnold like cheesy one liner elements in there because I think they need to do that.

But I believe in Edgar Wright and I love that novel.

So if he stays close, if he tastes close enough to the source material, everyone's in for a treat because that that book rules.

I just read.

I just reread it and I've.

Always wanted somebody to remake that and do you know per the book and we're just in a really good time where we can pull off subject matter like that and don't have to make it Arnold ish, you know what I mean?

Like we can people are willing to sit through that subject matter a lot better without 1 liners and all this action and stuff.

It's a very heavy story.

I mean every one of the, the original Bachmann books that comes in like a A4 pack if you can, they, they banned Rage years ago because of school shootings.

Like it was used as manifestos like way back maybe.

So I have two copies of the ones with Rage, One I read and 1 I don't.

But it has like Long Walk, the Running Man.

I mean that's just a great bunch of stories right there.

So The Long Walk I'm excited about because I was always wanting to to see that, to see somebody take that and put it on film.

But The Running Man is, I think it's in good hands, so I'm excited about that too.

Yeah, I'm pumped for both of them.

I've never even heard of the Long Walk before.

I just do.

Yourself a favor just serendipitously.

I know I'm not sure if you're a reader or not.

I'm just my face is always in a book but like it is it's a novella.

You can speed right through it.

It's so good you can find it in the Bachmann books or they sell it as an actual novella now.

Like it's just.

Trailer looks boss, trailer looks great.

So I yeah, I want to give that a read because yeah, I also am looking forward.

To that new running man, I think it's one of his best works.

Yeah, now I'm also looking forward to that new running.

Man, that trailer looks fantastic.

And yeah, always right, never wrong.

Yeah, Edgar Wright always does a good fucking job.

I'm about it.

That is, how thick the right can I get it in the light?

It's not going for me.

What's that all for?

That's no, this is just the the hang on.

So let me turn my background off.

It's like not letting me blur my background.

There we go.

That is how thick compared to most Stephen King books.

That's how thick the wall.

That's why.

I said.

Stephen King You can blow.

You can blow right through it.

I.

Was going to say that looks.

Very digestible.

It is and it's, and you click right along with it and you will ache reading it.

And it is just a Horror Story like where he has the ones that are just traditional or, and then ones that really fuck you up because they're so based in reality that they're just gnarly.

So that's when I, I highly suggest and, and, and listeners, please check it out.

Yeah, I'm just really excited for a long walk in September.

All the great movies come out in September.

But thank you guys for being here tonight.

I I really appreciate it on this very, very hot night.

And we miss Ian Nico and I know that they're so excited that you guys could slept in tonight.

So I'll give you guys another chance to like give your plugs and then I'll let you guys go for the night.

Let's enjoy.

Newman, how about it all?

Right.

Thank you again so much for having me, Ian.

Nico, we love you.

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There's some really, really good old episodes, especially with people who do like soundtrack work and like behind the scenes stuff.

That was usually the best to me.

They're my favorite ones.

No disrespect to any of the other guests, but I highly recommend you guys checking some of the old episodes out where they got people who do like scores and work on the background stuff.

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They both are.