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Speaker 2This is Bloomberg Daybreak Weekend, our global look at the top stories in the coming week from our Daybreak anchors all over the world.
Straight Ahead on the program, a look at some key inflation and retail sales data in the US.
I'm Maybe Morris in Washington.
Speaker 3I'm callin hetkit Hay in London, where we're looking at Europe's wind energy sector with the Trump administration's roll back on maneuables.
Speaker 4I'm Charlie Pellock with a look at what we can expect from the Reserve Bank of Australia when they issue their August Great decision next week.
Speaker 1That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg Daybreak Weekend on Bloomberg eleven three ero, New York, Bloomberg ninety nine to one, Washington, DC, Bloomberg ninety two to nine, Boston, DAB Digital Radio, London, Sirius XM one twenty one, and around the world on Bloomberg Radio, dot Com and the Bloomberg Business.
Speaker 2Opp Good day to you.
I'm Amy Morris.
We begin today's program with some key economic data in the US.
We get USCPI data on Tuesday, the Producer Price Index is released on Thursday and retail sales data on Friday.
How is this data going to impact FED policy as we move forward?
For more, we are joined by Michael McKee, Bloomberg International Economics and Policy correspondent Mike always a pleasure want to start with PPI and take a peek back at this past week which saw some weaknesses revealed in the PMI data for July, plus reciprocal tariffs kicked in.
With all of that in mind, what should we be looking for from the PPI coming up?
Speaker 5Well, we're going to be looking, certainly in terms of PPI at whether we have nascent inflation coming from tariffs, and we'll be looking at the things within the producer price indix that are considered intermediate goods, things that companies buy to make other things.
And if we see prices going up there, which we should, then it'll be a question of how much do they go up?
Does it suggest that we're going to have an outbreak of inflation?
And when you look at the CPI you're going to have the same sort of questions.
But therefore finished goods for things that consumers are buying, what is it telling us about the tariff impact on the economy, and that's why I'll have a big effect for the Fed.
It will matter a lot to the Fed, more than we've had most CPI and PPI indicators this year because they put everything on hold waiting to see what the inflation outcome is from tariffs.
Speaker 2So these numbers are going to have more of an impact.
Do you think maybe than normally historically they would.
Speaker 5Yes, they will have an impact one of two ways.
Either they will show inflation is picking up, which will lead the Fed to be more cautious going into their next meeting, or they'll show that things are pretty quiet, as the President insists, and the idea that the jobs report we had last week shows weakness in the economy would give them more license to cut rates.
Speaker 2Should we bring up the issue of stagflation?
Is there any risk of a stagflation in our future?
Speaker 5Well, that's kind of what we're looking at at the moment now.
The problem is is people tend to think of stagflation in the way we had it in the nineteen seventies, where inflation was very high and growth was very low.
But it can just basically mean that the economy is not growing particularly fast and inflation is picking up a bit, so you could have maybe four percent inflation or three and a half percent inflation and growth of a half percentage point or something like that, and it would still qualify as stagflation.
And that's kind of what the data are pointing at right now.
And we say that because of the jobs the fact that they were so weak, as a suggestion that maybe consumers won't be spending as much money and the economy will slow down.
And obviously we're watching the CPIPPI to see if there is the flation part of stagflation exactly.
Speaker 2Let's turn to the retail sales figures, then are we shopping?
What are you watching for from that?
Because everything you just explained tells me it's sort of all dovetails.
Speaker 5Well, it's going to be a kind of a weird one, as July usually is, because July we have the Amazon Prime Days and the other retailers like Walmart who match their discounts, and so you could get more people buying stuff than we normally would expect under the economic conditions that we have.
It may not reflect yet that people are concerned about the economy and pulling back on their spending, because everybody likes a deal.
Speaker 2Forgive me, but Amazon Prime Days really have that much of an impact they can.
Speaker 5The way they calculate all of this is through dollar volume, and the Prime days and the other discounters would be charging less.
But what ends up happening is a lot of people buy stuff they weren't intending to buy that isn't necessarily on sale, and so you do get an increase, particularly in the category of online shopping, and so that's something to keep an eye on.
We also are looking always looking at gasoline prices, which came down and then started going back up again, so those will have an impact as well.
And we had better than expected auto sales in July, so that may also suggest that we're going to have a little more strength in retail sales than we might otherwise have expected.
Speaker 2Well, Mike, the President did fire the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and the concern there is that any suggestion of political bias can and destroy trust, especially in these numbers.
How important is it for the American people, economists, those who watch this data to have trust in these numbers that we're going to see.
Speaker 5Oh, it's vital because we rely on them for so much.
It's not just me sitting here reading the eco go page on the Bloomberg.
They're used in adjusting contracts, the cost of living.
Social security companies make plans on investment based on what they think the inflation rate is going to be.
So they're very important numbers, and obviously they matter a lot to the FED, and so being able to believe in them is very important.
Now we know that the numbers have become a little more less accurate, but sort of the margin of error has widened because they're having much fewer responses to their surveys, and they've also cut back the government's Congress and the presidents of back on spending on these numbers.
So it's been difficult for the agencies, but they do their best to produce the gold standard of data, and I don't think anybody is looking for that to change the way they've set it up.
The commissioner of the BLS doesn't get into the report, so the fact that the President fired somebody who's not ultimately actually responsible for the report won't make much of a change.
So I don't think Wall Street's too worried yet.
It would be if somebody came in and started making major changes in the way they compile the data that you'd have to worry.
Speaker 2Okay, and we're going to leave it there.
Michael McKee, Bloomberg International Economics and Policy Correspondent, Always a pleasure.
Thank you so much for your insight.
All right, we move next to corporate earnings from the networking bellwether Cisco.
They report earnings after the market close on Wednesday.
For more, we're joined by Woujin Hoo, Bloomberg Intelligence Senior Technology analyst.
Woujin what are you looking for from Cisco's earnings report?
Speaker 6Yeah, thanks for having me on.
Look.
I am actually looking for a fantastic quarter coming out of coming from Cisco.
There's a couple of high level things that we need to take into consideration.
The enterprise it spending has been a little bit more resilient than I had anticipated, so they should easily or I believe they should come at least come in the high end of the fourteen point five to fourteen point seven billion dollar guidance for the quarter.
But more importantly, they've actually navigated their tariff situation pretty well, so there should be you know, minimal downside risk to earning expectations heading into the print.
But more importantly, I think the focus going into the quarter is going to be more along the lines of their guidance for fiscal twenty twenty six.
You know, their long term guidance there is four to six percent, and they have a lot of tailwinds to help them go to the top end of that guidance range.
Speaker 2Yeah, I want to ask about that, how they're able to maintain stable demand and steady growth in this current AI environment because this is the pool everybody's jumping into.
So how can Cisco maintain all of that set itself apart?
Is it navigating their own tariff deal or is there more to it?
Speaker 6Well, you know, one one of the things that Cisco has done over the past several years since since the COVID period is essentially distribute their supply chain to be less concentrated outside of China.
But a couple of things that do help them.
They do have some Mexico manufacturing, so they can get some cover under the U.
S.
M c A, so some of their products are going to be exempt from tariffs.
And I think some of the new tariff rules that came into you know, the the August first deadline, that's going to help them actually make their products a little bit more favorable from a from a tariff perspective, So net net, they'll they'll be fine from a tire perspective.
The one thing that I will tell you, they're more highly exposed from a revenue perspective on enterprise spending.
Roughly half their revenue come from commercial businesses.
Think about your typical small medium businesses with over a thousand employees and also your campus networks and stuff that you know that connects the the PCs in our desk.
That really hasn't pulled back at all.
If I look at other companies, they've actually at least met expectations and also beaten expectations.
And as a tech bell whether I do think that they're going to benefit as well.
Speaker 2They also have an ongoing relationship with Nvidia.
How has that helped?
Speaker 6Yeah, you know, it's it's a it's a new relationship that they announced that their users conference.
If anything, that actually thrust them deeper into the to the AI story.
A couple of things here.
You know, you're not going to see the multi billion dollar AI deals coming like a Dell or super Micro, but as corporate enterprises get into the AI, Cisco and their broad enterprise channel, the small medium business as well as enterprises that I just spoke about that will actually help Nvidia get into those accounts that Nvidia typically cannot get access to.
So there is a channel relationship that helps.
That's one and number two, it is symbiotic because there is a networking component in AI.
Cisco is a networking leader and they can actually get Nvidia networking gear with Cisco equipment into a lot of these data center as well as enterprise accounts.
That will help.
Speaker 2This is going to be fun to watch those numbers coming out on Wednesday.
Wou Jinjo, Bloomberg Intelligence Senior technology analyst, thank you so much for talking with us about this.
Take.
Coming up on Bloomberg Daybreak weekend, we'll look at Europe's wind energy sector and now it's being impacted by the Trump administration's roll back on renewables.
I'm Amy Morris.
This is Bloomberg.
This is Bloomberg Daybreak Weekend, our global look ahead at the top stories for investors in the coming week.
I'm Amy Morris in Washington.
Up later in our program, we'll look ahead to a monetary policy decision from the Reserve Bank of Australia but first in the coming days, the Danish wind turbine maker Vestus will report earnings.
It is expected to solidify its position as Europe's largest wind turbine manufacturer and the world's second largest by shipments.
But the renewable energy sector faces big political challenges in the US and in Europe.
For more, let's go to London and bring in Bloomberg Daybreak Europe anchor Caroline hepger Amy.
Speaker 3It's thought that tariff uncertainty will have hit Vestas's orders in the second quarter, but that may be an issue largely for Europe because paradoxically, Vestus has seen a surge in US orders.
Has developers rushed to get ahead of President Trump's deadline to end certain tax credits for new clean energy projects.
When Bloomberg spoke to Vestas's CEO Henrik Anderson back in May, he had a blunt warning for Europe either adopt bolder industrial policy or risk watching business drift elsewhere.
Anderson noted that the European Union's fragmented approach to the sector was jeopardizing the region's chances of achieving energy independence and competing against other global manufacturers.
He emphasized the need to protect and support the wind energy sector that Europe has built through its universities and testing sites.
Speaker 7It's quite interesting and maybe it comes with age.
I don't know, but I'm saying stay calm because there are some of these things that will be probably spontaneous, probably fast measures that then will try to find solutions on over time.
And if I look back and also forward, is we have been and we have created factories and localization in the US for more than two decades.
So for somebody to sit here and god a really nerve wrecking Monday morning and now on Friday, we're going to relocate some of it, that's just not the right thing, because whatever we do, we still see the demand cycle for entity.
We still see the building and the ramp up we are doing in the US, and therefore for that to suddenly be hit by and I often call it a bit the emotional spirit of this And if I could encourage still anything out of this, remain a bit calm, take some responsibility, because direction of setting for your organization needed right now, because they get off in the morning, they see news like this and they all see the world is coming a bit apart.
It's being more fragmented, So I think, actually, as CEOs, one of the most important thing right now is stick to the direction.
Speaker 3That was Vestas CEO Henrik Anderson there speaking to Bloomberg's Ana Edwards critic group to and Guy Johnson back in May.
His comments came as the EU is struggling to cut carbon emissions whilst more broadly addressing struggling growth and a crisis of competitiveness.
So what are the challenges that Europe's renewable sector face and what do expect from Vestas in particular.
It's something that I've been discussing with Bloomberg's Climate Change and Renewable Energy reporter Will Mathis and Bloomberg Intelligence Equity Research Senior Associate Ales master Andrea Well, can I start with you?
Speaker 2What are we.
Speaker 3Expecting from Vestas's earnings?
Speaker 8Well, I think we're expecting crucially and the first updates since the changes to the American tax law that was extremely detrimental to the wind energy sector.
It had been primed for huge growth because of President Biden's Inflation Reduction Act, and then a lot of the support that the wind industry was going to get has been paired back.
So now we're going to get an update from Vestas about what does that mean for wind in the US for their turbine business there, and also what impact is this going to have on costs for electricity for the American market.
Speaker 3So this is the winding back that President Trump has announced around those tax credits for clean energy projects?
What about them, what we're expecting in terms of orders, especially for Germany now that it is focused on investment spending.
Speaker 8Yeah, I think Germany, especially with onshore wind, has been one of the strongest markets.
They've really done a lot since the energy crisis to restart the onshore wind market which had been sort of stagnant for a while.
And I think that it's going to be an extremely important market for Vestas and other wind turbine makers, you know, in the next for the rest of this decade.
Speaker 3And let's say that's a little taste of what we're expecting them from Vestas.
How important a business is vest Us though, actually in Denmark.
Speaker 9I think it's it's huge.
So we're actually in Copenhagen a couple of weeks ago, and you know, as soon as you land, as you're landing, you see a bunch offshore wind farms there's signs everywhere for vestas it's one of the key businesses in the region and more importantly just in Europe overall.
Speaker 3Okay, and the environment then for clean energy firms in Europe that are doing business with the US given this kind of anti renewable Trump administration.
Speaker 9Yeah, So in the US, like we were saying, we were kind of waiting to see what was going to happen with the one big, beautiful bill, and now that we have clarity, we have orders.
It announced for Q two or only about one point one gigawatts, but we saw that coming in the week since then, we've already seen a gigawat worth of orders just in the first month of three q and five hundred megawatts so that are in the US.
So we are seeing that now we have at least a bit of certainty even though it's not exactly what we wanted that there's still going to be a build out in the US.
Speaker 3So the order flow is coming in and you're starting to get a bit more visibility on that in terms of how Europe then is thinking about clean energy policy given I mean, it's an increasingly sharp elbowed global economy, isn't it.
It's less cooperative, it's more self sufficient.
And this big change in the US.
How much influence is that having.
How's Europe thinking about clean energy now?
Speaker 9So in Europe you can't exactly have something like the Inflation Production Act where you can give tax and centerves because it is individual states.
Yes, however, there are two major policy initiatives that have kind of helped spur along wind and clear and energy growth overall.
So you have Repower EU and the europe Win Action Plan, and those were really made to kind of cut the red tape because a lot of what's stopping wind build out is the bureaucracy to get the permits to get these projects going.
Because overall it only takes one to two years to build an onshore wind farm.
The biggest part is the bureaucracy piece.
Speaker 3Where's that worst?
Speaker 9Do you think right now?
It's kind of overall, I can say where it's getting better.
So you know, Denmark is trying to cut a lot of that red tape, but it's a bit of a double edged sword because a lot of countries are also scaling back their offshore segment.
We see this in the US.
The Biden administration had a target of thirty gigawatts offshore win by twenty thirty.
The Trump administration basically came in and shut the door on that and we might only get about five gigawatts.
Speaker 3Okay.
Well, in terms of how well Europe's renewable energy sector is doing in terms of earnings overall this quarter, have there been big takeaways to you?
Speaker 8I think that a lot of the noise has been about what's been happening in the US.
It has been a huge growth market for renewable energy, especially offshore wind in recent years with the Biden administration, and now that's been really pulled back.
So you know, on the same day the Vestas reports or Stead, another Danish renewable energy giant, is going to post their results.
They've had huge problems in the US with cost overruns and now with some of their projects essentially just being put on ice, and definitely that they have like seabed leases which are just areas kind of like a couple of years ago, would been considered assets and now they're essentially worthless because there's really no pathway to growth.
While there's a Republican administration in the White House, and that's going to be another key view into what does this all mean for European companies that have gone big in the US based on policy and now are trying to recalibrate and figure out what their next steps are in this Trump administration.
Speaker 3Has there been a rush though to get the to get wind power projects actually done and completed because the tax credits are going to run out?
But it's actually in some months, it's basically in a year to two years time, right, twenty twenty seven.
When so is there a rush happening now or has that sort of been abandoned?
Speaker 8Yeah, I mean that's one of the questions that I'm going to be asking Henrik Anderson, the CEO of Vestas, is you know, what are you doing to get these turbines to your customers as quickly as possible?
Because there's a lot of people who've had developments that maybe they were thinking, oh, I could build this in the next five years, and now they're like, oh, I've got like two years to get this substantially started, and that's going to really depend on the supply of turbines whether they can do it or not.
Speaker 3Yeah, speaking of turbines, I mean I was quite interested to read that actually there's also an issue around the energy mix for making this massive bit of equipment, right, the kind of the energy that it takes to make the steel that goes into the wind turbine.
So sort of wondering also about the energy efficiency and the sustainable aspect of vestas his own business or just the business of these wind turbine makers.
What do you think of that, will?
Speaker 8I mean, wind turbines are big pieces of steel.
Steel is emissions intensive industry, but the emissions that are offset by using the wind turbine very very quickly compensate for the emissions inherent in the machines and the transport of getting them to the market because they're also put on ships that are powered by oil.
But it's something that those companies want to address.
They are looking into like green steel and other things that could bring down their carbon footprint, and especially you know, Danish company, sustainability is very important there.
But for now there are emissions, but it is you know, compared to the benefit of replacing a qualified power station or a gas power station with a wind turbine, you know.
Speaker 6It's.
Speaker 8Worth it, easily worth it to spend some emissions on making these things to be able to use them in the power mix, so the.
Speaker 3Industry kind of factors it in as it were, So that goes to the energy security issue for Europe.
Europe's recently only had this scare around Iran threatening to close the Straight of hor Moves and that would affect energy supplies in Europe.
There's also pressure on anyone buying Russian energy.
How big a concern is it around the energy infrastructure that Europe has energy supplies currently?
Speaker 9Yeah, I think it's a massive focal point for why the clean Andrey transition is so important.
Yes, it's good for the environment, but energy security is fundamental.
We saw Europe stepping up with repower EU after Russian vidd Ukraine.
The threat of the closing the sh trade of horror Moves is maybe not an immediate threat for Europe because only four percent of gas it comes from Qatar, but twenty percent of flows go through that strait of Hormuves, so it would make any imports from other countries more expensive.
And then I think the third piece of that fundamental part of why the transition is so important is the build out of AI data centers.
Speaker 3Yeah, absolutely, because how power intensive they are, aren't they?
Well, my thanks to Bloomberg's Climate Change and Renewable Energy reporter Will Maths and Bloomberg Intelligence Equity Research Senior associate Alessio Master Andrea for speaking to me, and we will have full coverage and analysis of Vessus's second quarter earnings for you here on Bloomberg.
I'm Caroline Hepkee here in London.
You can catch us every weekday morning for Bloomberg Daybreak here at beginning at six am in London.
That's one am on Wall Street.
Speaker 2Amy, Thank you, Caroline.
Now coming up on Bloomberg Daybreak weekend, we'll look ahead to an interest rate decision from the Reserve Bank of Australia.
I'm Amy Morris.
This is Bloomberg.
This is Bloomberg Daybreak weekend, our global look ahead at the top stories for investors in the coming week.
I'm Amy Morris in Washington.
One month ago, the Reserve Bank of Australia made one of its most surprising decisions in recent memory by doing absolutely nothing.
The Central Bank opted to hold steady, much to the chagrin of OSSI economists.
For more on what they may do this time around, let's go to Bloomberg's Charlie Pellett Amy.
Speaker 4Governor Michelle Bullock faced tough questions following the RBA's July decision, including whether the central bank could betrayed households expecting a rate cut.
Bullock said the decision was about timing of a move rather than the direction.
So what's in store when RBA policymakers meet next week?
Let's take a closer look.
We are joined by Rebecca Jones, Bloomberg News Managing editor for Australia and New Zealand, also the host of the Bloomberg Australia podcast.
Rebecca joins us from our bureau in Melbourne.
So looking ahead to next week, we raise the question, are we in for another curve ball from the RBA?
Speaker 10Well, Charlie Gooday, and you're absolutely right.
The RBA stunned everybody, well almost everybody last month by holding interest rates here in Australia.
It was largely an unexpected move.
So when we start thinking about next week's call, there's really two massive pieces of the puzzle to consider.
Well for any central bank, of course, but for the RBA it is the labor market here and also how inflation's doing now.
Back in July, we only had a partial read on inflation in Australia, and I was actually suggesting that it was pretty weak, weaker than thought, and that got markets and a lot of people here jumping on the idea that hey, well that's going to be enough to pull the Reserve Bank over the line.
On the other hand, the labor market data one month ago suggested that the unemployment rate was below projections from the RBA.
Ultimately, the RBA's held the rate.
But looking ahead now to next week, we've got more information, right, like, we've got a full read on inflation and that's backed up what happened last month.
And we also have the jobs data and that is telling quite a different story too.
Just thirty days ago, we've had a couple of revisions there, Charlie, and that's indicating that the unemployment rate is now at four point three percent, which is the highest in a couple of years for Australia.
I know that that number to people listening around the world might not seem that bad, but here we've got an unemployment rate that's not only trending high, but it's also above what our Central Bank has been projecting.
So it does look like it's not going to be the curveball of last month, and I just checked the Bloomberg and all twenty seven economists that we survey are predicted that we're going to get that twenty five basis point cut.
Speaker 4All right, So that is the August decision.
What's the trajectory from here specifically then onto the November meeting.
Speaker 10So the market at the moment has been predicting at least one more rate cut for twenty twenty five.
That's where it stands today.
That may well change after we hear what Governor Michelle Bullock has to say next Tuesday, but for the time being, markets are pricing in at least one more cut for twenty twenty five.
It is really just about the timing and the nuance.
And one other thing that is brand new last month is that we now know how each of the members of the Reserve Bank Board are voting.
Last month it was a vote of six people saying hold out of the nine people on the board, and that may well sway the projections from economists going forward for the rest of twenty twenty five, depending on how the many members vote come Tuesday.
Speaker 4Now, what about major Australian banks CBA, Westpac, NAB and a NZ.
Are they pretty much in agreement on what to expect for next week's meeting.
Speaker 10Well, the thing about the Big four banks, and indeed we call them the Big four banks here and will add Macquarie in as well they're a huge Australian company, is that most mortgage holders, most of the mortgage business here in Australia is on a variable interest right, and that's quite unique to Australia, certainly the opposite in the US.
So whenever there is a hike or indeed a cut, the banks are very quick to pass that on whether it's good news or bad news for the person holding the mortgage at the end of that So for the most part, banks had a cracking year in twenty twenty four.
They really have already priced in these kind of fluctuations from Australia Central Bank into their forecast for the coming year.
So no surprises really, I would say from the CU of the Big four bank, I would I has it a guess they do have their own economists as well, that they're one of the twenty seven that are predicting the cut on Tuesday.
Speaker 4Rebecca, how closely does the RBA mirror what's happening with sentiments surrounding the Federal Reserve in the United States.
Speaker 10That's a really interesting question.
And I think that we've seen since the since Michelle Bullock has taken the reins here in Australia, which you know, she's been in the job for quite a while, that we are really doing our own thing, marching by the beat of our own drum.
A lot of other countries are doing that.
We have seen globally less group think from our central bankers.
They are really splitting on their philosophy around good policy.
We've seen the Federal Reserve has stood part throughout the first half of twenty twenty five, while others like the European Central Bank, the Bank of Canada, the Bank of England, etc.
All easing in recent months, and Australia in that two we've had the two cuts already in twenty twenty five.
So is there direct relationship there less so than perhaps historically.
Speaker 4Big picture, how are every day ausies feeling about all of this?
How's the Australian economy holding up, specifically in terms of the labor market.
Speaker 10Well, what we can see is that consumers who participants in the labor market, you know, they're not a very happy bunch at the moment.
And what's showing up in things like retail and household spending data is what consumers are doing, and that is that they're not spending.
They're going out and earning their wage, but they're not spending it in ways that perhaps they used to be consumers.
When you ask them how things are going, one of the things that they cite is the cost of everyday things.
Aside from things like fuel and core food items, households are still really really struggle.
So to sort of set the scene for you a little bit, the median price of a house in Sydney is one point seven million Aussie dollars.
It's up four point two percent this year, so that's roughly one point one million in US dollars.
And we're not talking more to front homes here, Charlie.
These are modest, modest dwellings.
So it's really showing up in terms of discretionary spending, where people are choosing to use the extra pennies that they they have.
It's most likely going into the essentials like paying the mortgage, covering education, the cost of childcare and so on.
Speaker 4Now Australia is an export driven economy, and there's one economy that's closely monitored in Australia that is China.
What are the underlying assumptions being made about the Chinese economy.
Speaker 10So there has been a trend over the last couple of years around different ways of accessing growth the Chinese economy away from the traditional manufacturing route, and that has real world implications for our economy here in Australia being such a resource rich exporter, and our primary destination for those exports, along with many other countries around the world, is of course China.
So we saw some you know, interesting patterns occur with the price of iron ore throughout the pandemic, and you know, certainly in the last five or so years that's come off a lot with the trade tensions between Australia and China forcing Australia to seek alternative paths for some of these exports.
I think what was proven was that there is other places for these exports to be sent to.
But it's certainly our key trading partner, China, and one that you know, as evidenced by Albany'ese's recent six day trip to China, is going to be very very important for us.
Going forward.
Speaker 4Rebecca, thank you very much for taking time to break this all down for US.
Rebecca Jones, Bloomberg's managing editor for Australia and New Zealand, also hosts of the Bloomberg Australia podcast We Move Next.
To Trade and Chips, President Trump says he will impose a one hundred percent tariff on semiconductor imports, though he would exempt companies moving production back to the United States.
Such a move would place a heavy strain on the likes of Taiwan Semiconductor, Tokyo Electron and sk Heinex.
And For more on the potential impact, we heard from Emily Benson, head of strategy at Minerva Technology Futures.
She spoke with Bloomberg's Haslinda Ahmen in Singapore.
Speaker 11Emily's all aboud bringing chip production back home.
The thing is the US is offshore that production to Asia since the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 2It doesn't have the ability, the.
Speaker 11Capacity to do it, and it takes years to build new chip fat.
Speaker 12That's absolutely right.
With one exception, which is sort of uncomfortable for people who don't really like the direction of travel right now with US policy, is that TSMC's production facilities in Arizona are actually beating expectations, and so I do think the administration has been relatively clear eyed about the timeline.
That being said, they're willing to apply maximum pressure to the likes of TSMC in order to expedite what's already a very fast time frame.
Again, I do think there will be carve outs to extend the timeline of implementation.
If you talk to a lot of industry analysts, I think the four to five to six year timeframe is more menable for the industry.
We also have to remember that this will directly confront one of the administration's other hallmark policies, and this was announced two weeks ago in the AI Action Plan, And here the White House is saying very publicly that it wants to prioritize AI build out, it wants to double down on US infrastructure, and very interestingly, it also wants to package a lot of that AI tech stact into separate bundles that it can then export abroad.
It of course will need affordable inputs at the baseline in order to be able to export these packages, and very interested to see what the ultimate price impact is on that particular corner of the administration's policy.
Speaker 11And emily some say it is about quantity, it's also about quality, and when it comes to both of them Taiwan and South Korea asapause, what do you make off perhaps equality and quantity that can be expected from the US.
Speaker 12A couple of weeks ago and the lead up to the expiration of the reciprocal tariff pause, the Administration has entered into these arrangements where foreign partners seem to be under the assumption that they would only be subject to a fifteen percent teriff freight, and that includes a lot of these sectoral products like semiconductors.
So one question will actually be whether or not this announcement induces further development on shore by those countries, or whether or not we'll have to explore further negotiations.
I also will note that the United States actually does not import a lot of semi conductors directly.
Most semi conductors actually enter the United States in finished goods.
So these are items like iPhones or laptops, and so it'll be interesting to see how the Administration starts to calculate the actual value and whether or not each finished item will be subject to that one hundred percent care free.
Speaker 4Emily Benson, head of strategy at Minerva Technology Futures, in conversation with Bloomberg's has Linda Ahmen.
I'm Charlie Pelacascius weekdays for the Daybreak Asia podcast.
It's available wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2Amy, Thank you, Charlie.
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