Take that space to figure out what's going on 'cause sometimes they don't even know what's going on.

And often when I don't lecture, I don't try to, like, fix the problem in the moment.

I don't argue, I don't tell them that's not the way you treat me.

And they come back 45 minutes later.

I'm sorry I talked to you that way.

I forgive you.

Well, hello and welcome back to this Schoolhouse Rock podcast.

I'm Christy Clover and I am so excited to be your host again this week.

Today I get to welcome someone very near and dear to me, my sweet friend Tricia Goyer.

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I am so excited to welcome my dear friend Tricia Goyer on the show today.

Tricia is a homeschooling mom of if you don't know her, wait for it, wait for it 1010 children.

And she is a beloved author of over again, wait for it 100 books.

Like if she does not wow you just with those statistics, I don't know what's going to wow you.

But she is someone who's just has a heart for encouraging families, which just shines through an everything that she does.

So you may have heard her from, you know, either her podcasts or ministries that she's a part of.

She's a powerful storyteller, both with fiction and real life books.

And so I just am so blessed to have her as a friend of mine.

So I am excited to introduce you guys to Trisha Goyer.

So hello my sweet friend, how are you?

Hey Christy, you are one of my favorite people.

And so I'm just like smiling so big.

I'm like, I get to hang out with Christy Fun.

It's so fun.

I know podcasts like this always crack me up because I'm like let's just chat.

I know exactly.

Like we got lots of flies on the walls during our conversation.

Oh well, I want to talk a little bit.

We're going to talk through some themes of your newest book that you co-authored with Leslie Nunnery.

That is Faith that Sticks, 5 real life ways to disciple your preteen.

But in case I missed anything in your introduction, what what did I miss?

I mean, I don't know what your book counts even at anymore I feel like.

There's over 100.

I don't know, I haven't, I haven't gone and sat down and actually like counted everything out.

So over 100.

And I have a new novel with Nathan coming out soon, our Second World War 2 steampunk that's new.

So.

That's.

Amazing talking about preteens to World War 2 and airships.

I do all the things.

You do all the things, and so our guests know Nathan is your son.

He's your third of.

The lineup, yes, I love that.

You know, it's when he is in the lineup, Christy.

It's a sign of real friendships.

This is my friend.

Like you really are friend.

Oh, well, I cannot wait.

I know that we have your first book with Nathan somewhere on one of our shelves, but yeah, I have like, my little Trisha Goyer corner of of my bookshelves.

So every home school.

Family should have a Trisha Goyer.

I mean, and honestly, I mean, OK, so prayers that change history.

Anytime you and I did a conference together, I'm always like, you need a prayer that changes history.

Fabulous book.

But what's great is your books make for great read alouds too.

So I'm just saying, I'm just saying, well, I am excited because I mean #1 having you, I don't even know.

Can I do a podcast and host a podcast and not have you as a guest?

I think you always, you know, been one of my tried and true guests on my podcasts through the years.

But today we're going to be digging into the preteen years and you still actually, I guess you're out of preteen.

You have all teenagers.

So at this point, so Casey is 14, but I will say his brain isn't 14 yet because we're still like, why did you do that?

And he's like, I don't know why I did that.

Why did you think that was a good idea?

I don't know.

So I feel like he's 14, but I still feel like all the things that we talked about for preteens, like their brains developing, their bodies are developing, they're really smelly.

Like they don't know what they're doing.

They're emotional, like all the things are still like happening.

And then Alyssa's 15, so she just turned 15.

So I will say some of the emotions have calmed down, but I feel like we're barely like barely getting past the preteens.

I would say like I'm just 16.

I still it still has the same issues of all the things that preteens deal with.

I know I always kind of giggle, 'cause I'm like, what is preteen like, you know?

So today we'll, we'll, we'll think within the mind of these, you know, these shift when the shift starts to happen.

That's what we're talking about today.

In fact, that is kind of what I want to talk about is because, you know, we have these hormones that hit and with the hormones come a lot of different emotions and we kind of have extremes.

So let's start with like the more explosive of the emotions.

I figured we could kind of talk about anger.

You're definitely an expert in that area since you've written a few books.

I don't.

Like being an expert on anger, Christy, but.

Sorry.

Well, you personally, you know, like, yeah, I know you are, I'm so sorry.

But yes.

No, but you are an expert and you have written about it, which means you have researched it and you have 10 kids and you have kids in the foster care system.

So, you know, a thing or two about angry children or, you know, anger that demonstrate, you know, kind of comes forward in life.

So what are some ways that parents can really respond when their preteen starts acting out?

Like whether it's yelling or shutting down or just, you know, snapping off and you know, all the, the beautiful things we have to look forward to when we hit this age.

And I think it's a surprise to people because especially if kids didn't have anger before, like like all kids get angry.

But like it's a different thing when you have the, the preteen years.

First of all, we talked about hormones.

All the hormones are raging.

And I know, you know, I mean, women go through hormonal changes and there's some days I would just be mad.

I don't know why.

So I understand that.

But then it's boys and girls.

So it's not just, it's not just girls, boys, all their hormones are changing, but also the brain development.

I want to jump in here 'cause it's, it's part of the anger.

Their brain is developing at the same rapid time as like newborn age and then that terrible two age, the preteen age, their brain is developing.

So we see them growing.

I mean, my 14 year old went to like this tall to my ears.

So now he's taller than me in six months.

So we see their body growing, but we, their brain is growing and changing and developing and they honestly like, if you say, what are you thinking?

They might not really be thinking because there's just like so much they're running into walls because their body's changing.

So there's so much growth and change.

So just knowing that there's that there might be parents that are like, I'm shocked because this child never would yell or roll their eyes or sweet little Bella all of a sudden just had the worst attitude.

I'm like, where did you come from?

And so just know, like it's every child, it's every child.

It's also a time when they're wanting more independence.

And that's kind of a push back to with the anger.

And I think one of the things with anger is, first of all, we just have to stay calm.

And so one thing that I tell myself and I talk to other parents is like when you stay calm, you win.

And when we're when we get upset, even if they're yelling or rolling their eyes, I mean, you know, we could go into lecture mode.

We can follow to them to the room.

You don't talk to me that way.

That is not going to help anything.

But when we stay calm, we win and we're able to regulate them.

And so kids, just like when we have a little baby, when they're crying and fussing and dysregulated, we bounce them and and preteens need us to regulate them.

Not in the same way.

We're not going to go to a 12 year old, I know.

But and just by us staying calm and also naming their emotion like you're angry and that can move it from by stating their emotion.

And they might say, I'm not angry, I'm mad, OK, you're mad, why are you mad?

And turn it around and asking questions about what's going on, what's happening with them.

And then they'll start talking.

So there's the there's the emotional brain and then there's the thinking brain.

If we're if they're in their emotional brain, they're upset, they're angry, they're crying.

Any emotions that are seem like over the top.

It's very real to them, but over the top to us.

If we stay in that emotional mindset and we get emotional too, it just keeps like we're just circling all the emotions.

But when we say if we stay state the emotion which we think it is, we might not even be right, but we state the emotion and then they might say I'm not, I'm not angry, I'm sad or I'm not mad.

I'm upset because the neighbors said that home schoolers are stupid or whatever it is.

It moves from the emotional brain to the thinking brain because then they start communicating.

So we start a conversation and I think that is really helpful.

Also, we don't have to solve anything in the moment.

So letting them go away.

We'll talk about this later.

I understand you're upset.

Just I think you just need a little time to have some me time and put it in not say go to your room and calm down.

But maybe you just need some a little time just by yourself for a little bit.

Putting it in those type of ways really help.

And it helps them to first of all take that space to figure out what's going on because sometimes they don't even know what's going on.

And often when I don't lecture, I don't try to, like, fix the problem in the moment.

I don't argue.

I don't tell them that's not the way you treat me.

It just happened yesterday with one of my kids, and they come back 45 minutes later.

I'm sorry I talked to you that way.

I forgive you.

And so I think we really have to kind of pull back and then just be curious about what's going on, asking questions.

And again, they might not have an answer, but at least they're thinking about it.

But anytime we say calm down, I mean I know if I'm upset and someone says calm down, no I'm going to show you why I'm at so that that never helps.

So I'm saying calming down calm down doesn't help.

But stating their emotion and giving them space to figure out really will help during these years.

That's so incredible.

Yeah.

I feel like we, we forget that we are very hormonal and we don't always make sense.

And we have emotions and feelings that get the best of us as well.

And so they're just for the first time really experiencing this with the extremes, you know, having the hormone hormonal influence.

Because I know even as I'm in I'm in a ministry where I try to help adults figure out, you know, different emotional traumas.

And so a lot of that is naming what emotion got triggered.

And half the time they're like, I don't know what I was feeling.

I don't, I, I don't know.

So I love this because it's like if we start helping our kids identify what it is they're feeling and what's at the heart of it, Oh my goodness, that's going to help them into adulthood.

It's incredible.

Absolutely.

And then we could offer later to pray.

Can I pray with you about that or do you need some encouragement about that?

I remember how when I was your age, I felt that too.

And just be empathetic with them.

You know, we could point them to Scripture, but in not in the moment, Not in the moment.

Like you're supposed to respect your parents like that doesn't help them.

No, and I think that's actually another really great thing that you pointed out that I hope that, you know, especially our our younger moms that are just kind of coming into this new phase of parenting, helping your kids to understand they're not alone.

This is totally normal because they feel it feels abnormal to them in the moment.

And so they they start wondering like, what is this?

Who am I?

And like, am IA mad angry person, you know.

And so I know that that's really been helpful for my kids as they've gone through different things and they're like, I'm like, this is so normal.

I'm like, you know, especially with my, my daughters, as they're getting older, they like start crying.

I'm like, oh, welcome to womanhood, my friend.

Like, yeah, just cry randomly.

And they're like, really.

And I'm like, yeah, really.

Like, have you seen me cry randomly?

I cry randomly.

So just making them feel like taking the sting out of like this is big and and just make normalizing it.

John would say let just go slide the chocolate under the door.

Just let them go to the room and slide the chocolate under the door.

And I think another important thing I know I'll add in, it's like and not be concerned what other people are thinking.

Yeah.

So I mean, even at conferences when my kids are like roll their eyes or cuz it no, I'm not going to give you $20 from the money bag to go get whatever we'll talk about in a minute.

And there's other people in the booth.

I'm thinking I need to explain it away or I need to tell my child not to.

It doesn't matter what other people like.

I just have to go back to that.

Like I am in my relationship with my child and I was overly concerned with my older kids.

Like what do people think?

Or every parent, every parent is going to deal with the emotional kids, disrespectful kids, angry kids, sad kids, all the it's everyone.

So we don't have to feel like our kids need to outwardly act a certain way.

In fact, that will like that doesn't bring our hearts close if we're just wanting them to perform and act a certain way and we're not really start to connect with them or deal with their emotions.

I will add that too, because I think sometimes we're so concerned about what other people may think that we may say something, do something that will hurt our relationship with our child when this is just a normal way that all preteens act.

I love it, it's so good.

And you know, and I know we've touched on a lot of aspects of dealing with the hormones, but is there anything else you would add when we look at the flip side of these emotions, when they don't explode, they implode.

And so just with anxiety.

So is there any additional tips you might have if you have a child or anyone has a child who's kind of struggling with, you know, anxiety or fear or worry or self doubt?

Yeah, absolutely.

So I think anxiety is just as prevalent today as all the outward stuff.

And again, it's inner feelings that something is not OK and they, they want, they can't fix it.

They don't know what to do.

Maybe there's a problem.

The test, it doesn't seem like a big problem, but to them it is very real.

And just understanding that, that it's OK to talk about it.

It's not to pressure them to, to like, oh, it's OK, you'll be fine.

Just go to youth group, you know, if they're feeling anxious or whatever it is, like don't pressure them.

Let them know that there is a bigger problem.

And then we can also seek just be listening here.

But sometimes you need to seek more help.

Like one of our, our children, we, she found an amazing counselor that helped her work through anxiety.

So just like, even though it's more quiet, it is can be very hard for kids.

They might feel overwhelmed, they don't know what to do.

And if we're pushing them, if we're pressuring them, if we're trying to just make it OK because it doesn't seem like a big deal to us, that is not going to help them.

So, you know, being a listening ear, but sometimes there is a time that they need to get a really good counselor, Christian counselor, they can just help them, support them, talk through things, figure out coping mechanisms to help them when they're anxious.

And I think again, it, we don't have to feel like we should have our act together or our kids should have our act together.

There's amazing people out there that can help our kids.

One of our kids just graduated from therapy on Tuesday and she's doing amazing now.

But just all this to say that there are people that there that can help us and it it is not something they can just get over that there needs to be more tools to help.

Oh absolutely.

Well, this is also good, but we do need to take a quick break so we are going to be right back.

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All right, my friends, we are back with Trisha Goyer and we've been talking about some of the emotional challenges that come with the preteen years.

But now I want to shift a little bit into something that is just as important, if not more important, and that is how to cultivate deeper conversations and to have this real, you know, to help our kids have a real lasting faith.

So let's be honest, because one of the biggest challenges that we kind of have in the season is creating space for these honest conversations, especially things like faith, possible doubts, and even some of the bigger life questions that we get.

You know, the world is constantly throwing different questions at us.

So that's what I want to kind of take a little deeper dive into.

So sometimes our kids do ask these really tough questions.

And the beautiful thing about being homeschool family is that we do have time to kind of get in there and dig deeper.

So what are some ways that that parents can keep these lines of communication open and help their kids to feel safe asking, you know, the the tougher questions?

Yeah.

And I think you mentioned the thing about time, is that we have to have time.

Now, sometimes we can fool ourselves, which I've done before, where we think we're here all day.

They can just ask us the questions whenever they want to.

Like, yeah, I could push aside the history lesson or whatever, but it's mostly time focusing on things that they're interested in talking about.

And so I found when I take time to like I'm running errands and I'm going to take one child with me and then ask about whatever Mario Kart or whatever Nerf gun or Lego set, whatever they're interested in at the song that they like, they'll talk and talk and talk.

And then it seems like the last 10 minutes before we get home, that's when the questions will come up.

You know, so if we're on our phone, if we're rushing to Co-op, if we're doing things, they could tell that we're not listening, we're not distracted.

And so we really need to make the space.

I've taken time for one of my kids or two of my kids where I just will take them away, sometimes overnight, sometimes out to dinner and just having that time to have questions.

And I'll and I'll talk about when I was growing up and I mean, I'll lead things where we're going with different conversations that they could bring stuff up.

But even like our last road trip, we just got back from Orlando.

We're listening to 80s music in the car.

And then we start talking about our teen years.

And then we end up in some really, really good conversations about choices and about regrets.

And they're talking about their things.

So we do need that time and that space that we are making for kids.

That's often why 11:00 at night when you are so ready, because they finally see like, we are not our friends, not in front of us.

We don't have our computers on our laps, We're not sitting there grading their math tests.

And it's often more quiet, TV's off.

And then that's where they finally feel like they can ask it.

And so we could foster those times.

But also John has been a trooper more than me.

I'm like falling asleep in the couch, but but taking that time because he will go for an hour, whatever conversation and this and that.

And well, let's go back to the beginning.

Why did how did God create things?

I mean, he does a better job at those lightning things.

I think I do a better job at like carving out.

Let's go.

I'm, I'm going here.

Why don't you come along with me.

Let's spend time doing this, even if it's just errands around town, that time that we're checking in that we're spending there.

And if they know that we're listening to the things that they're interested about, then they'll be more open to to share about the deeper things, the deeper struggles, the hard stuff in their lives.

It's so good.

And I guess like one of the things I kind of as you was talking that I was thinking about was that I know a lot of parents are, you know, they struggle.

They struggle with sharing their story with their kids, especially people who have kind of had, you know, I don't know how to put it like, you know, I have more challenges.

We don't want, we don't want our kids to repeat our past.

I'm like, you know how I did things like, yes, mom, we know.

I mean, I was a Teen Mom and I, it was very helpful that when they were because I with my first three, I was helping start a crisis pregnancy center and mentoring teen moms.

And then with the younger ones, by the time we adopted, the ones that we adopted as preteens and teens, they had read some of my books.

So they and so there they knew about my past.

But now I can say now remember when I was a teen, like we know and I'm like, but but listen, like I wish I would have done.

I wish my mom would have sat down with me and and I'm doing this because I love you.

So it's not like a lecture so much.

Sometimes they might say it turns into a lecture, but I really want to share because I don't want them to go through the same pain and the heartache.

But if they do make those choices, I understand also because kids aren't going to be perfect either, but they still struggle, you know, So the more we can share our story where we're not perfect and hello, we're homeschool parents.

They they know we're not perfect.

They know that we lose our temper.

They know that what whatever, you know?

But the more we can be real and honest with our struggles, then they can come to us with their struggles.

And I think that really, that really can make a difference.

And also even saying like, Hey, if you want a sibling to come talk to me, We've had, we've had that before where one of our kids has had a struggle and they've asked a older sibling, can you come with me to mom and dad to talk?

And so, you know, just knowing that, like if you need a friend or sibling to talk to you, if you have something, we're here, we'll listen.

Just letting them know that we're not going to immediately jump into preaching mode or condemnation mode, that we really care and want to be there to help and support them.

Yeah, no, I 'cause I know like even I think everyone, everyone has a past if it, it is difficult when you feel like, man, I really blew it.

And I don't want my kids to repeat this, but maybe I don't want them to know.

Because if they don't know, you know, what a mess I made of things or different choices that I made that I wish that I hadn't, then maybe they won't repeat it.

But I think it comes back to just being honest and authentic and allowing our kids to see how the Lord worked in our lives, Right.

I mean, like God has such.

I love your story.

I mean, God had such a beautiful, he weaved together this beautiful tapestry of your life.

And so we, you know, our kids get to hear that and see that when we share that with them.

So yeah.

And also I think if we've made mistakes, we also have special radar for certain things because I'll be like, I have a special radar about that type of guy.

I could tell like mom and sure enough, I'm like, I don't want to tell you I was right, but we like because we made mistakes, we have awareness about things that can help them.

Like we're here to help them, support them, to encourage them, to help them make good choices.

And then they're going to go live in the world where there is a lot of pain and heartache and we want to be there to be there support for them.

Yeah, no, Steve and I have this thing where we we don't, we don't do that.

I told you so.

But you know, like how that nags that you.

So Steve and I have moments where we like, we'll kind of come out of the conversations with our kids and we'll like be in our room by ourselves.

And I'll be like, can I?

I just need to get it out.

I told you so.

I told yourself like, I just needed, I needed to come forth.

So yeah, we, we have our little moments of maybe I saw this, maybe I called this.

Did you not hear me call that like?

Yes, I always joke it's one of our daughters.

She it's like if I tell her, she'll almost want to do the opposite.

And so I'm like, you just need a tattoo on your and I'm not pro tattoo like I'm just sound, but it's like GLTYM girl, listen to your mother like I'm like just have it there on your hand.

Like, girl, listen to your mother, girl, listen to your mother.

And every time she, she's like, I don't want to say I told you so, but I'm just like, like this, like go get a tattoo on your hands.

And she's like, I know I should have listened to you.

And so we kind of made it.

Go get these temporary tattoos.

Playful way, a playful way of saying, girl, listen to your mother because I tried to tell you, but they do.

Some of them will listen, some of them will just like need to test it out.

So the movie Tangled, I sing that's a song all the time.

Like, you know, just when we had this.

So bringing humor into the moment is helpful.

But yeah, I definitely sing.

The mother knows best, but I'm like, darn, it's ruined because she's not the mom.

She's spoiler.

Yeah, exactly.

There's some parts of the song that are not healthy, but like, I like, I like that main part.

Yeah, exactly.

I stick to that.

Well, I want to just cover one more thing and that is, you know, what are some things that we can incorporate as parents into our kind of rhythms, our weekly daily rhythms that can really help our kids grow their faith?

So, you know, we want to be helping them to have a, you know, so they're talking with us, we're having these faith conversations, but how can we be helping them to grow their own independent relationship with the Lord?

So what are some things we can do to kind of foundationally bring that in?

I mean, we've got great curriculum that we use and, you know, family Bible studies, but how do we move beyond that to helping them really grow their faith?

Yeah, so the last thing I just narrowed it down to five things, which after I read them, you're going to be like, those are so obvious, but they're actually like if you do these things, which you already mentioned, Bible reading, Bible reading, prayer conversation, we've already talked about that service.

And then relationships like just like the board game night tonight, we're we're doing finger foods for dinner and we're doing bargain at nights.

And then we got, I ordered some tents so we could have a backyard.

This is our big, we, we're not camping people.

This is like a big step.

We got tents we're getting on Monday night.

We're sleeping outside like so it's not a relationship.

It's not trying to bring fun into things.

But with those things, I loved how you use the word rhythms because that made a huge difference in our lives when we first started homeschooling.

So for those that don't know, we have 3 biological, then we adopted a newborn and then two from foster care and then a sibling group before for foster care.

So at one time I had seven that I was homeschooling from the ages of 5 to 15.

And I had to figure out like I, how am I going to do this?

So we did a lot of reading around the table.

So we would read a chapter of the Bible or sometimes we would do Bible study and we would have a little prayer journal and then we would do the YWAM missionary stories, the use of the mission missionary stories and then do read out louds.

And I was basically just trying to maintain order, like keep it from chaos.

We did do they had the little we did our little folder system, Christy Clover's little folders with their, their workbooks and stuff.

But the main rhythm, the main rhythm was we'd sit down, we'd do our prayer journals, we would read the chapter in the Bible, we'd do the missionary story, and then some read out loud and then the workbook.

So that rhythm, even if it started at 9:00 or 11:00 or

1:00, hopefully if we had appointments or something, it might be in the afternoon.

The rhythm really kept things going.

And at first, the girls we adopted were preteens.

And suddenly they go from living in foster care, not always even living together, to now you're living in a family.

And we're going to home school and we're going to read the Bible.

And they're like, where have I landed?

What planet is this?

And they were not always happy.

They did not have the greatest attitudes.

And I would just say it, you know, this is what we're going to do.

Just if you don't want to listen, just put your head down.

Just put your head down.

We're all sitting here and you don't have to listen.

Well, pretty soon they're asking questions.

They're more involved.

And as we went along, like those seeds were planted.

And so I will say preteen years, teen years, you might have kids that like, I don't want to do that.

That's stupid.

I don't think I believe that and I will.

I have one that was like, for sure.

I don't think I believe in God.

I'm like, it's OK.

Just put your head down.

Just listen.

Well, that's one of them that's serving in Poland right now.

And you know, she's like mom.

I never would have thought that I would be loving God and serving.

I'm like me neither, me neither girl like for sure.

So just know that rhythm of incorporating these things like talks about God's word will not return void when we take time to share his word and we time is the word of the day time when we take the time because we do have like the math that he's done the handwriting, the Co-op all these things.

Those are tend to try to crowd into that time.

And so honestly, when we adopted the kids, I'm like, if we never finished the math curriculum, if they're still at a 8th grade reading level when they graduate, like I don't, that's not my goal.

But but if they know Jesus and we have time to pray together and they hear these wonderful, amazing missionary stories and learn how to be good people and what it looks like to serve God.

Like that is going to be my ultimate focus because if they're amazing careers, all the college sugar degrees, but don't love Jesus, like it's not, it's not going to matter.

Like that's not going to be successful in my heart as why I went into home school.

And so really just incorporating those rhythms into life.

And I'm not perfect.

You know, we just had summer.

I have not sat down and what we just got back from vacation.

We we need to get next week.

We're going to get back into our rhythm.

But and just know there will be seasons where it's a busy time.

Grandma was sick for a while.

My grandma lives with us.

I'm and then just go back to the rhythm and because they know that this is the rhythm, then it's easy to pick up again.

That's so great.

Oh, Tricia, you're amazing.

I know everybody is so encouraged by this.

Before we wrap up, I would love for you to share, like, where people can find you, which, you know, like where your books are.

All 100 of them.

We all just need to have a Tricia 100.

There you go.

But yeah, all your resources and just where we can find you.

Yeah, my website is just triciagoyer.com.

It's Tricia goyer.com on Facebook.

I'm Tricia Goyer, Instagram.

I'm Trisha Goyer.

My newsletter is through my website.

Yeah, pretty much.

You put my name in and you'll find me everywhere.

And photos of my kids.

And now I have grandkids, so you'll see photos of them too.

So fun well, thank you so much for coming on the show and I am so excited to continue our conversation next week.

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We want to invite you to join us every week as we discuss what's happening in the world and then filter those happenings through a decidedly biblical lens.

There are many questions, especially when we see what's happening in our culture today, but the answers are found within the Word of God, so that's where we want to look.

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When we resist those cultural trends that rival the truth.

We remain culture proof.

So sometimes I would say it's like takes 3 minutes of making a difficult decision, but then on the other side of it, you can find a positive environment and focus less on.

I was very concerned about other people thought I was very concerned about what other people were doing and we need to do that too.

Like I was very concerned about checking all the checked boxes in the curriculum or whatever, those external things that now I'm like, OK, this is not as important as I thought it was.