What's up, everybody, and welcome back to Paul's Best podcast, your favorite new podcast where we only talk about the best.

You guys know how it works.

This is not a podcast where we talk about negativity or a shit in the world that's ugly.

There's already enough of that.

This is the podcast where we talk about the best.

And my guest today is somebody that I actually had one of the best times with doing a project, my man Tank sanatcha gas station.

I did that because of what we're.

Doing to gas station channel Tank.

They're gonna hate it.

We did.

We did something where it was like a dad's road trip, Ultimate road Trip, Ultimate dad road Trip, and it played for like a month or two months on gas station TV.

Funny things, people reaching out, going dude.

It was so fun.

We did what do we do?

Mini golf?

We went to oh, we went to the antique shop YEP, which I was afraid of.

We're afraid of.

I finally, when did we go to the antique store?

When was that?

It was like it was hot.

I remember it was definitely summer, so it was early summer.

Early summer.

I want to say June.

I just gave Mark from locally the thing that I got him.

Really a week ago.

We went into this antique store and I'm not gonna lie, it freaked me out when I saw these artifacts on the table.

Artifacts.

But I saw these artifacts, I get nerves things.

Artifacts does sound haunted though, that's what I mean.

Well, in my mind, if you say artifacts, I'm a little nervous as well.

Yeah, and like then you set me that thing with the woman Yeah, who like went to somebody's garage sales.

She's like, I couldn't take anything.

She's like, I don't know what this I don't know what harm this thing caused.

Yeah, yeah, I don't know what this knife did.

Was it a letter opener or it exactly?

So you guys were laughing at me doing that, But we had such a good time.

We shot that thing in the hotel room were we have to do another thing.

We're talking about it.

We're talking about it.

Yeah, we might get hair together.

The slow wheels of life are turning, yes, nonetheless, yes, as they do grinding away.

Yes.

Now you are a man of multiple endeavors.

Sure, Yeah, you're kind of a renaissance man.

I would like to think so.

So if you're saying it, I'm not gonna deny it.

I mean you you own a sick new gym in New York City.

Yeah, the Pack, the Pack in New York City can talk about.

It for thirty seconds.

Okay, so you have to come by the way.

Yeah, yeah, I will.

It's a new year.

It's a new year, new me, new year, knew mew, new excuses.

I will definitely be there three times from now to March and never again.

So it's from the founders of Rumble Boxing, which was a massive, massive anomaly of the fitness industry.

It went from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one, twelve stores sold for three hundred million.

But Nadnis Noa Nieman and Andy Senzler are the founders.

Noah is the face of it.

He's just a fucking legit nice guy with a lot of goodwill in the fitness industry.

So the Pack is a three modality training system where he built it to kind of honor his dog who passed away.

Wow, why it's called the Pack.

So the logo is three.

It's a three headed dog, the Cerberus.

So first head is well, the first head of let me say that a different way.

The first head of the dog is striking.

So it's like, if you're in New York City, you're a little nervous, you get a little self defense.

Everyone should know how to throw a punch.

It should be mandatory.

Yeah.

Then endurance when you're on the assault bike and don't be scared of it.

You go at your own pace and then you hit the weight the weight bench area where it's like you're doing curls and lunges and shit.

It's all about how much your threshold can take.

Now, you're like a you're I would say, if I saw you in a gym, you're kind of a jacked intimidating guy in a gym, right, are you guys one of these gyms that are like, come on, push it.

You're not it's not, no fucking no, you're not standing over somebody on going you call that, You call that a session, you call that a rep.

No, it's first of all, it's almost it's like seventy eighty percent women.

Okay, So the intimidation factor is really it's like all self imposed doing it took up.

Well, I'm married, but yeah, some I mean, if if I'll say this, if you're a single guy in New York City and you're not working out at the pack, You're you're making the biggest mistake of your life.

Oh yeah, if you're not training in group fitness in general.

How funny after this podcast, or you're making a bunch of dudes.

Yes, they're so scrawny is hard?

Y'all are strong?

Yeah?

Shut up?

That's good though, dude.

Yeah, the pack is.

It's fantastic.

It's on twenty third, in between fifth and six.

Dude, great location.

Are you there a lot?

I'm there a couple of days a week.

Tuesday's one hund that's that's your time, that's my day.

Yeah.

Nice.

When I think of a gym.

You saw Dodgeball, right, Yeah, dude, that Ben's still her character.

Oh fantastic.

Add a couple of pounds to the women's yeah, scales, I forgot about that.

My favorite line in that movie is where the guy, the the main character, Justin Long, likes the girl and the girl has a boyfriend, and at the end he goes nice haircut helmet and he goes, what it's just like blown.

Away so hurt?

Why would you say that in front of her?

Was what nice haircut helmet?

Just a Long?

I met that, dude, wants a great guy like it anyway, So.

The gym, the gym, gas station TV screens, gas.

Station TV screens the gym.

But your real claim to fame here, Yeah, that's something we got to talk about, is you struck really hard on the internet with memes.

Right, you're the meme guy.

You have a huge one.

Of it's hard.

So it's hard for me to say that because there were other people doing it.

But I don't know, so I'll draw some parallels here once we get into the podcast.

Yep.

But I in my bio it says I'm the jay Z of being the Michael Jordan at memes.

Well, you also put really and I think the reason why your content is so good, Tank, honestly is because it's kind of wholesome and clean and and silly.

Yeah, and it's like a little devious.

Also, you and I.

Kind of have a similar thing in our fields.

I feel like, and and you know, there's gonna be people to write in to go no, Well, but here's how I think.

Maybe not, maybe I'll be like, you're right, you come across as somebody that would be different than you are, And a lot of people tell me that I come across when you meet as far as my appearance goes, as far as our appearance, when anybody meets me, when anybody meets me, like it's funny.

I've had managers and agents see my stand up and go, I like him, but I want to meet him first, and then we would go for a meal, and then they would go, oh my god, you're so like you're you're like a nice guy, like you're not this because listen, dude, look at me, you know what I mean, look at us with bald headed beard.

I got to chain out, like my face just screams loud Italian from somewhere in New York.

In another universe, I'm a cop arresting you.

Who's racketeering?

Is what's happening?

Or vice versa.

And but then when you come across us, and you come across our material, my stand up and your your stuff on that you do like I was watching one funny thing you did and you were just you were just being sarcastic, making fun of something.

But it was so silly and nice and wholesome that like kids and adults can watch it.

And I think that that's why your clips do so well.

And that's who I am right, that's who I am.

Off the off the screen, on the screen.

Yeah, you know what.

One thing you did which I was like, oh, this is a different type of dude, was when we were in the car.

We if you guys didn't see, we gotta well we'll post it.

But we were in like this galoppy like literally National Lampoons Vacation.

Oh sorry, Joy.

It's a classic, a classic wood station wagon.

It did zero to.

Forty in like what four minutes?

Dude, when you pulled up there like wait till so Tanks.

The whole thing is it was the ultimate dad road trip.

Tank was gonna drive something and they go, wait to see what, Wait till you see what he's in.

Yeah, he pulls up to my house and the struggle up the hill and he pulled in and it was like the wagon, the family station wagon in National Lampoon's Vacation and we're in that.

But we're driving and we had the camera guy shout out to Brandan in the back, the director and we're driving and Brandon and you said, you said, what did I say to Brandon?

And you said when we were driving?

I was like, yeah, man, I heard that movie sucked.

I think we were talking about I don't know, Superman or a movie, and you just go like, you know, can people just enjoy anything?

Oh?

Yeah?

And I big on that.

You're big on You're big on like why does everything have to be Why do people need to be so cynical?

Why can't people just enjoy things?

But your appearance doesn't show that.

And the same way when people meet me my appearance, our appearances don't show what we are.

Yeah, and I think that's why we get along.

Yeah.

No, my appearance is very deceiving.

Yeah, it always has been, though.

It's just but I like that.

I like that because I remember one time, maybe two times, I would when I was younger, I was a gym guy, and if there was a two hundred and thirty pound man in the gym, yeah, I'd be like that could that guy could kill me if he wants.

But if he was nice, it was like, oh, okay, you can be big and nice because certain I want it to be big.

So I was scary and people didn't fuck with me when I was younger.

Yeah, but whatever, it's you know, I am who I am.

And listen, you know I'm five foot eight, not jacked.

You're forty five eight, ish, Jack.

Hold on a second, five eight, Paul, What I'm kidding?

Oh No, I am five five eight and a half?

Are you?

No, I'm five ten.

I think you're taller than five eight.

I'm I think you're underselling yourself.

No.

I went to the physical and they said you just made five eight because I gotta do an argue with a friend who goes, you're not five eight, and I go, I am, And I remember I remember calling them after my physical because I just made the line.

Five to ten is the perfect height.

Obviously according to the Bible.

It's in there.

It doesn't say that.

It says it's like like loose translation.

But yeah, five ten is like the perfect height.

Well, the majority of the time I have shoes on, so I'm five to ten the majority of the time.

Yeah, you don't.

So like, you know, we gotta talk about what we're going to talk about.

But neither of us come across as insignificant.

No, but like me, if I lose twenty pounds, I'll I'm gonna shrink down.

You're just a jacked dude, And you're a dude that if you went up, like if I saw you pacing angry at a best buy.

Yeah, I would be like, they just customer services.

To just I walked.

Return the CD guys just take care of his speakers and let him go.

I walked into work once after I shaved my head because I was kept it pretty short.

But one day I walked in after I had shaved my head, and my friend Ian saw me walking in and he goes, He goes, first of.

All, calm down.

I was like, what he's like, you.

Look like a psychopath.

Yeah, yeah, but whatever it is, what it is.

I'm not When we went Minni golfin and you were at one point you were holding the club up.

It looked like you were about to just murder.

People were family.

I didn't.

I may I may have been at that point, people in front of us.

All right, So here's guys.

You guys know how the show works.

I have a guest.

We talk about the best of something, okay, and I was talking to Tank and we decided that we are going to do the best rappers and listen, we know it's subjective.

We know that we are two white guys with shaved heads, and some people are going to disagree, so it is subjective, but we're going to do to us who the best rappers are.

If we could just backtrack, yep, don't let our appearances deceive you, right because I guarantee you I guaran fucking t you.

Yep.

Can I curse or yeah?

Okay, I know more about rap, yeah than ninety five percent of any group of people on the planet.

Okay, well we can, and I appreciate it more than that ninety nine percent of people.

Now you're in your forties forty five, yees.

Okay, so we're around the same age, yep.

Okay, And we grew up in my opinion, we grew up in the hey day In my opinion, we grew up in the hey day of rap.

Okay, we grew up.

I don't want to disrespect the I don't want to disrespect the the forefathers of rap, so to speak.

But we grew up.

Where it was like.

So, when you say growing up, what age are you talking about?

I would say growing up.

When I say growing up with you have to okay, you have to have appreciation for something, right.

Sure.

I feel like my appreciation football in sports didn't happen till I was about twelve, because when I'm ten, I'm like, oh, they're winning I don't know.

When I'm twelve thirteen, I should be like that guy's good, that guy's not good.

That put the ball in that guy's hands.

And I want to say the same thing with the arts, like around.

You know, although Eddie Murphy, I was like I saw him at ten and I was like, dude, that's I gotta do that.

I want to do that.

But like really appreciating things and also having older friend older kids liked me.

Yeah, I always had.

I always I was that guy who always had like an older friend would always take around.

Yeah, you know, he was almost embarrassed to hang with me.

Yeah, because I was younger.

But he liked But how cool did you feel?

I felt good, I got walk in the room and like that guy put me under his wing.

But I would listen to.

I would listen to so when I first started listening.

You're talking ninety two.

Do you remember the first rap song you liked?

I do?

I mean that you became fully obsessed with because I do.

And I feel like if you have any doubts about my credibility as a music fan in general, it will be put to rest after I tell you the song.

But you go go ahead, No, I want you to go.

You're my guests know the ledge?

No, I love no legs.

I don't even fucking Yeah.

Well that was well, that was That was on the Juice soundtrack.

Bro that song.

Yeah, I got enough to go around.

Yeah.

I used to go Jimmy Jimmy gun.

That's how I did it as a fat.

I love the Juice soundtrack, Okay.

I also remember Pete Rock and Seal Smooth Reminisce.

Reminisce is one of my that that one is.

I remember the older kids would play that, but I could even go.

I remember do you remember Black Sheep and Black Sheep and Criss Cross Grand but I was Grand Pooba.

Grand Pooba was the first ones that I really thought real.

To real Dell the funky Homo Sapien, but.

Grand Pooba was the first one where I was like, oh, dude, this is like yeah, because that was what they were.

Grand Pooba was before, notas dude.

When I started listening to Grand Puba, I truly, in my heart of hearts thought if I, if I just tried hard.

Enough, I could become black.

I swear to god.

I know it sounds like you're thirteen fourteen, so like you should know better.

I wore cross colors.

You remember cross colors.

Yep, of course I wore cross colors that had an African flag on the back and the jeans were green.

I remember I wore that.

I wore my pants backwards.

I read a book called Black Like Me, which is a true story of a guy who went down South and altered his melanin.

No, I didn't do any of it, but I thought Black Like Me was this story about a guy he went down South and saw what it was like to live as a black person in the South at that time, maybe like sixties.

So he altered his melanin.

He curled it, he permed his hair super tight, and he was like.

Fucking sucks.

What's the moral of the book.

But I was like, I think I'm going to do that too.

Did you wrap with your friends?

Oh god, dude.

We would get in a car.

I want to wrap the whole Juice song right now.

Oh my god, it's everything in me to not do it.

Dude.

You would sit in a car, we would either smoke a joint or whatever, and we would freestyle.

Oh oh no, I didn't do that, like we were just I think you're talking about rap along to a song, Oh.

No, like did you ever?

Did you and your friends ever?

Like try to write a no.

As a matter of fact, it's one of my probably rudest moments, but my most honest and authentic.

I was doing stand up in Manhattan, and I went to New York with a guy that I know and another guy that I barely knew from college.

So the guy that I know, we're hanging out front seat, guys in the back, kind of like outcast whatever.

And this kid drove two hours each way with me to go watch me do seven minutes of stand up.

Wow.

Right, So we're in the we're on the way home, and I hear him.

I know this about him already, so I'm like, I'm bracing myself.

I hear like leafs of paper rustling, yeah, and I'm like, fuck, it's fucking So I wait and like he's you know, and he goes, hey, he goes, do you guys want to hear some of my wraps?

And I go, nah, not really, man, It's like you're in the back seat.

I'm gonna have to like I want to see you know what I mean, Like, I just I'm gonna have to react so hard for you to like, it's just what's another time maybe, but no, absolutely not.

I'm driving my friend next to me.

He was like, what a dickhead, dude.

It's so funny you brought that up because I remember going up to this kid in high school at a high school party that I look up to, and he was in an older grade now, and he was a kid that would like wrap and he was like really looked up to when he was an athlete and it was his black kid, right, and I felt like, man, I was like freestyling a lot.

Yeah, And I went up to him and I go, hey, man, do you freestyle because all I wanted him to do is go yeah, and he just goes nah yeah and just and.

I knew and don't.

Basically the nah was yeah, and we're not doing this yeah, And I just ended up going like, Okay, we got it.

And there was a big argument at that party.

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Let's get back to the show, and the big argument at that party was Wu Tang versus Tribe and what I've I've actually that argument I've gone back and forth with in different times of my life.

So I'll tell you Wu Tang for me, yeah was more then right, Yeah, I was like, oh man, then I then I realized the calmness and the chillness of tribe later, and I'm going those are hard to really I feel like Wu Tang clan and Tribe call Quest are really too hard to like differentiate, just because even though it's obviously the same genre it's rap, it's so different like Wu Tang you'd want to go into like Wu Tang I listened to if I started loading a gun and I was gonna go and rob or do pull ups or do pull ups yeah, or like do something where it's like, oh dude, it's go time.

Tribe would be like my friends are coming, We're gonna play some cards.

Right, We're gonna play some cards.

Tribe is a more calm thing.

Right, Lame, Yeah, you don't like them, It's just it's not so when I think of like status in music in general, there's like three rappers in my opinion who it doesn't matter if you think somebody's better than them or not.

They owned that time and Wu Tang is.

One of them.

Yes, Wu Tang is one of them.

Freeway.

When he was heard the first time on one nine hundred Hustler, everyone was like, what the fuck is this?

This is Oh my god, Yeah he came.

It almost was like he like crashed into the song in the third verse.

Fifty Cent is like the pinnacle of coming onto the scene in a way that nobody has ever before and since then it's not even close.

No, when when in the Club came.

Out before that year, before that, when it was like he got shot how to Rob?

You know that album?

Then yeah, what was guess Who's back?

Yeah he did a record.

He did a record.

Fifty Cent did a record before he popped.

I remember listening to it in Queens.

I forgot how my got if the name is slipping, but I know what you're talking about.

And that's before Eminem signed him, because Eminem signed him.

Yeah, yeah, Well, there was how to Rob in like ninety eight where he named every person in the music industry and was like I'm coming for everybody.

Then he got shot.

After that, then he came out with Guess Who's Back, which was like a mixtape but insane.

Yeah, and then get Richard Dye try and came out.

But that time period he was going after jar Rule Eminem was as big as anybody was ever going to be, and he co signed him.

Plus he had the story he was jacked.

He was a real street guy who was like, you do not fuck with this guy.

But there was a difference.

You want to know what I think the difference with fifty cent was.

And by the way, like I don't know if I would put fifty cent in greatest rappers of all.

I wouldn't, right, That's what I'm saying, but different category.

There was a charm to him, like he would walk in like you said, jacked got shot nine times, you're like this guy.

But then he would just smile and laugh and be like, oh, this is kind of a cool, real guy you know, and I will tell you this.

Yeah, get Richard die Tryan.

Yeah, it's a banger of an albums incredible dude.

Me and my wife, I remember she was my girlfriend at the post with my wife.

Now, when I would do spots in the city.

I would drive with her and I'm like, you mind if I just go run into it and we would listen to that fifty cent out like many men do.

Many men is still when I listened to it, you know, it's incredible.

In the club, I remember this one comedian goes, no that ship because because uh, because fifty cent came out.

That album came out in the summer, and I remember shout out to talent.

Talent harr is a really funny comic, you know, and he just goes, man because that she's gonna be goes that she's gonna be hot k October.

Yeah, but in the club, was in the club and he did.

He hit the scene and it was over.

It was like remember what Jay he said about.

It, Yes, put out any music you can now coming.

Because yeah, exactly, goes put it out now because he's coming.

He's going to have a run, He's going to have a ride.

And he had a bro the run.

I mean so so in the in the in the club, right, people I think, don't unless you were there, you don't appreciate what songs became Like Party Up by d m X was a terrifying song, but the but the feel of it was so good it became like a bar Mitzvah song.

So people danced with there, like it's like he's talking about killing somebody and leading him in an ocean like to be fished out, you know, and I love a baby mother.

I'd be like, so it's like, Grandma, do you have any idea what you're about?

What you're in the club was the same way.

That was a hard song that just became so beloved that it was like, you know, I remember how stupid and annoying white people were at the time, called like on the news and it was like, bro, you don't have to talk about this.

How I remember my buddy was my roommate from Boston when we were door to door sales people in Queen's and he goes, dude, how terrifying was the cover?

Through the cover the broken glass, through the broken glass with a gunshot and a bulletproof vest on with his face and I think a do ragon.

Yeah, yeah, got the chills.

That was Oh no, no, dude, no hat You're right.

That was one of the most hardest looking.

Everything about him.

He didn't miss a thing, no, And that my favorite song on that album.

I forget the name of the song, but it's the song with Young Buck.

Uh huh, I know what you're talking about.

They had a scheme man.

But yeah, don't fail med A love the blush shots, love the but whatever goes into back Down.

Oh God, oh God, yeah, back Down, dude.

So so the summer or whatever, a few months it was before the album came out, Source Magazine had a DVD that came with it that was like a fifty cent kind of like mini documentary that I watched.

It was him in South Jamaica, queens at his house and what he's doing and how whatever.

It was like probably like a forty five minute DVD, but back Down played almost the entire time, and I watched it like fifty times, and it just became like entrenched in my soul.

So you talk about that guy at the party.

One of my one of my proudest moments, let's call it as a white person trying to desperately get the validation of black people was I was in the mall and I heard ding ding ding ding ding.

I heard the beat like far, like like I heard it echoing throughout the whole mall.

So I heard it play and I looked like this, and there was this guy at a Kiosk playing it, Black Guy, and he looked at me like I like, he looked at me like I looked at him, and I went and he went.

It was like name that tune from five hundred feet away in two notest Oh it was fair bro fucking I mean, I feel at this point right now, I don't know how long we've been going.

Yeah, we're not gonna have enough time.

And it's really like this might in my whatever, it might have to be like an eight part series.

This is rap because we just there's so much to it.

Yeah, there we have.

We don't have enough time.

There's so much to it, and there's so many different eras of it, and I and I I feel like pre rock Him, even Big Daddy Kane is too reminiscent of the early rappers.

To me, rock Him is like the separating He's like the line that once you crossed over that it was like okay, now now now nas can do it, he can do Biggie jay z Tupac Like before that, it was like nursery rhyme shit like Melly Mel.

Melly Mel had to write those bad raps.

But the realness of them, likes talking about people pissing in the stairs and you know, needles everywhere on the street.

Nobody had ever ever heard anything like that before in their lives.

Would it hold up today?

Absolutely not.

Yeah, I you know for me, the two that I you know, we got to talk about this too, because this is before, this is pre Biggie, okay, because I need to talk about Biggie.

Because when Hypnotized came out in the club, it was the first time in the club.

I remember being outside the club.

It was outside online, you know, like, and that Hypnotized beat came on and I heard it in the club and I just going like, this is such a banger on so many levels lyrically, beat wise, you could be in a club.

But don't forget when dra when Drey did the chronic and everything, and you know, ain't nothing but a g thing with Snoop.

But when Snoop came out with Doggy Style in nineteen ninety three, yeah, that album was one that I listened to the whole way to where I was like, dude, every the sh isn't it and all of that, like the you know Snoop Doggs ninety three Doggie style was absolutely incredible.

I also, I don't really I can't lie and say that I go back to D run DMC.

You know I can't.

I've definitely but down with the King.

That was one of my fans.

Walk this way with Aerosmith, and that was when those two worlds collided.

Yea literally but yeah, but yeah.

But something that we were talking about before we got on here, when you ask a lot of rappers, and not a lot of people know this, but if you ask rappers, if you had jay Z in here, nas by the way, nas Oo Mattic is Nozeo Maddic.

Well we'll get into that.

That might be the that Nozomatic changed my life.

We'll get to that.

That that not changed my life.

But the first time I was like, yo, this there's greatness to this.

There's another level to this.

But if you had I believe in this room right now with us, if you had j Z, nas okay uh and and throw in whoever you want.

I think if you said, name name me the five best rappers of all time, they would say from what I'm hearing, ll cool J.

And I didn't realize how influential L because he had Mama said knock you out.

When we were in you were a little younger than me, so like you were in like fifth sixth or so, Mama said, knock you out.

I'm forty seven, I'm forty five.

It was, yeah, same age.

When did mamma, I got we gotta find out eighty nine?

When did mama said knock you out?

Come out?

What do you think?

Eighty nine?

Nineteen ninety ny, So mamma said knock you out, came out in ninethe So I was twelve, I was twelve.

Yeah, I was twelve.

Yeah, I remember people like and that's when you didn't see his face, yeah, because he just had that he had the boxing hood on.

Yeah, and he just stood there.

Let's not forget who was also at his prime at that time.

Nineteen ninety Yeah, who are we talking about?

That made that song and video scarier?

Oh Mike Tyson, Oh my god.

That's right.

That's actually that was the heart of that was the prime.

Yeah, that was champion from like eighty eight to like ninety three.

Just the yeah, terrifying.

Yeah, and he's standing in the ring, Mama said you out, and people were like, yo, this is you know, And then I'm getting the chills and then you go and then you go back to like if you actually go to I know.

Later in his career it was more lovey and R and b oh.

Yeah, but dude, there are some like he was a hardcore rapper from Queens for a while.

Well, this song Can I Buss was the most devastating rap battle song maybe ever.

Remember Backseat of My Jeep?

I remember the song Jeep Let's Swing an episode?

Yeah, dude, I had a you know what, how fat I was as a little kid.

I used to listen to Haylover and want to just kill myself because I feel like I'm never gonna know what it's like to be wanted by a woman.

And this guy, Ella cool J whatever, he's a fucking handsome guy.

Dude, Ello cool J.

He's a handsome dude.

He's like almost I hate to say it, but he's like he's cute, dude.

He like a dimple bro whatever.

I'm outing myself now it's twenty twenty six.

He could be a little gay.

We're sitting here.

We're sitting here as two white guys talking about the best rap like, and he's cute, he's got dimples.

But no, but I know what you mean, Like, he's a good looking guy.

He had I remember he had a hair well lady too.

Yeah, he's not gonna be handsome.

You know that.

All the indications of him are what licking lips.

Yeah, I gotta say this right now, representing Westchester County, representing money earning Mount Vernon.

I'll tell you another album.

Young in my when in the heyday of hip hop was heavy D, heavy D blue funk.

Yeah, blue funk was incredible.

It had love song raps, but it also had good raps.

Rest rest his soul.

And then I'm gonna tell you an album that I think you're gonna you might start crying, okay, because I know what this album means to you.

And I was working door to door in Queen's knocking and Queen's and this album came out.

And this is when I had a kicker in the car.

Yeah, you know when you had.

I had the box and I had a little Toyota Trissel and there was way too much base.

I had a Toyota trist Cell four speed.

It was.

It was a four speed stick cylinder.

And you know how I got it.

I won a poker hand at mohegan Son for two grand.

Wow.

Yeah, And I gave one to my friend who drove, one to my friend who sat next to me, and I took one to Roulette, and I said, if I lose this at Roulett, I'm walking out of here.

With one one hundred, one hundred oh one hundred.

I won two grand.

Yeah.

It was the first year three three card poker came out.

It's a true story.

I met mohegan Son.

It's the first year three card poker comes out.

And I just kept getting a flush which paid six to one, and my buddy goes, dude, we keep getting a flush, let's go up.

And he goes, I'm going up fifty and I go, I'm with you.

And they dealt me a Queen King Asa diamonds and it paid forty to one two grand.

Wow.

So I gave one hundred to my friend sitting next to me.

I gave a hundred to my friend who drove, and I said, I'm gonna take one hundred to Roulette and see what I could do if I lose.

I'm walking out of here with seventeen hundred.

Yeah.

I lost, and I took seventeen hundred bucks.

I bought a little toyotatrist cell.

Yeah, I delivered pizzas was my job and I had it.

But then I got into the kicker thing.

Yeah.

So all my cars, I would have a I would have a in the back, and I would have the deck you think, yeah, the deck, So the six C D deck.

Yeah, six CD deck, you take the face off.

You had the face and I had the box in the trunk and boom boom, like it was just so ridiculous.

And I remember this album came out and I would bang it loud and hard, and then I don't know how long I had the Troussella.

It was jay Z The Blueprint, Oh yeah, and it was you know, you know, make the song cry, yeah, dude.

And I remember part of the City you don't Know in the dude, I had that you don't know bro in the heart of the city.

I'd had to banging in the car and I was just like, and I'll be honest, I was never a I'm not a huge jay Z guy like you.

That album.

That album The Blueprint is one of the greatest albums I think in hip hop.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's He's so I can't So we're talking about a lot of different things.

This is obviously a conversation that is not there's no end to it.

This is not like, this is like more, This is more like playing Zelda than Super Americas.

These older people are gonna listen to us, going, why why aren't you guys talking about what you mentioned?

Look, but why aren't we talking about rock Kim?

Well here's those guys.

Well, here's here's what I know about people.

You're forty seven, I'm forty five.

I consider us the same age, right, puberty wise, we were not.

And what what I think happens to people is they hear they get their first let's call it crush, or they get in their first fight, or their first boner, or their first fucking a on a a f on the score touchdown, whatever.

Everything is so fucking elevated at that age because your hormones are raging.

So this music gets burned into your soul and you think that's the greatest music music that's ever been made.

And I know that because every single every four years or five years of new music starts to sound come out and people go soldier, boy was I mean that was the peak of rap.

You know, it was like it wasn't gonna get better than that.

They really feel that way, so set a drift on memory.

Bliss hits me different than someone who would have listen.

You know, you know that song PM Dawn.

Oh my god, that's.

All used to make me sick too.

They were also a member of the movie Boomerang.

Yeah Yeah, Die without You.

Yeah yeah, I don't I don't remember that song.

But but okay, thank you to contexture.

Thank you for starting, and thank you for stopping.

I want to look at your face.

I'm like, I'm gonna pause this right now.

Y'all want to hear me for you style, Me.

And Tank have a song at the end of this.

You had to contextualize the sound for somebody you can't.

This is the same reason I don't talk politics with people, because for me to tell you your viewpoint is wrong, I basically have to be arrogant enough to tell you that every second of your life that you've lived up to this point, and everything you've interpreted and every experience you've had, you've seen it all wrong.

Yep, you've misjudged everything in your entire life, and you have to feel the way that I feel.

And it's also the same way with religion.

Right religion, but music as a less touchy topic, like to tell my dad that the Beatles, by the way, this is another thing, Like the Beatles, dude, the fucking the Beatles came out, and like, it took me a long time to appreciate the Beatles.

I'm talking.

I was like twenty seven, twenty eight years old where I was finally like I read an article in a magazine Old by Paul mccartny was being interviewed, and you talk about how he talked about how he made penny Land and took him two years.

And I was like, took him two years to make the song, let me give it a real listen, and I was take it away.

Yeah, And then I was six months of the Beatles, nothing but the Beatles.

Okay, so there is no there's like best slash most influential, like Ello cool Jay would be in the.

Top tier of most influential rappers.

I don't think I have to disagree with your opinion on what jay Z would say.

I don't think jay Z would even put him on a list anywhere.

Maybe maybe in the top ten, but like then you have best, so we're talking best, right.

I'm not an OS fan, but I'm not gonna deny him.

Jay Z, Kendrick Lamar Biggie Ye, I know Tupacs in the conversation.

I'm not a huge Tupox fan.

I love.

Jay Z has a.

Line in a in his Grammy Family freestyle which was on Hot ninety seven, which was then thank God filmed and put out where he says, hoves got flows, but he's no big in pac but he's close.

How I'm supposed to win.

They got me fighting ghosts.

So you have that line paired with Jadakiss on we Gonna make it where he says find you find your man dead in the ocean.

He'll be all right though, you know, dead rappers get better promotion.

But that with that with jay Z fake retire with the Black album because he was so frustrated that he was because if you have something, you don't appreciate it.

Yeah, So his idea was like, I'm just gonna fucking stop making music so I can finally be in the same conversation as these guys.

I'm not gonna physically die, but I'm gonna stop making music.

And at the end of what more can I say, he says, I'm supposed to be number one on everybody's list.

We'll see what happens when I no longer exists.

Yeah, So like wow, yeah, dude, I like wrap.

I'm telling you I could this.

We could do this for a year straight.

Well.

Look, I think that Nas.

I think that Nas lyrically was really especially young ahead of it.

I think a lot of that's what That's what I didn't appreciate was the fact that he put that album out.

He was like seventeen or eight.

That's the thing.

He was such a young kid.

And then I think what happens is you become so big and you make so much money that I think a lot of them rush rush the second or third album.

But I think out of all his albums, I would say he has more better ones than than worse ones.

But we had to talk about somebody that we haven't talked about here, and he probably is the best and and lyrically it's Eminem.

And here's why Eminem.

You know, when Eminem first came out, everybody thought he was black because of his voice Doctor Dre.

When he heard his demo, he thought he was black.

And you know, he came out with the silly Hi my name is right.

But lyrically.

Like lyrically if you if you know, take away the beats, right, that's the other thing too.

Beats make a song.

Yeah, but if you took all the beats away and you just listen to somebody flow.

Now, some people may not like eminem style right the way he kind of like, uh, you've heard people do impressions of him, like you know, in my office and it's office and it's off you know, and it's yes.

But there are some songs that aren't like that, like where You're just going.

Even if they are, that's they're good those it's still good.

There's a reason they satirize them because they're.

The slim, shady LP.

But then the one recovery, I believe.

Oh bro, I almost grabbed your hand.

Sorry, go ahead, no, no, no, no.

I just like Eminem, and I know that people will say what they want about what he'd said about his wife.

I know that the people say things about what he is, say they say that about jay Z, and what what they say politically and what they put all of that aside.

But when you say lyrically, I have a little bit of a hang up with this because Eminem, to me, as far as he's never said anything that's changed my life.

His verse, his last verse until I collapse, is fucking crazy.

Yeah, he's like, so the reason and I will go back.

But the reason I love jay Z so much and the reason I've modeled my whole career after him, is because he did something nobody had ever done up to that point and since then, which is carve his own path at a time when you if you didn't have a record label like you weren't, he shopped out reasonable doubt till the very end of time, until they were finally like, we'll give a million, you guys, give us fifty percent of the publishing.

They did a split deal with def Jam and Lee or Cohen.

It's like, let's see what happens and then boom obviously, which is why jay Z said something about like rappers going broke trying to keep up with me, and you know, I match my numbers buck by buck with only a single going gold, So like someone would have to sell a million albums for a single of his to go gold because of the whole because of the business Acumunity had, and that's why I've had like eminem undeniable.

I love him i'm's making it seem like I don't love him.

I fucking love him.

Yeah, yeah, but him Ray Kwan.

These guys who just like say things to say things ASoP rock, like these guys who are undeniably good, I just I don't they don't have the same impact on me as somebody like Kendrick Lamar or Jay Z who's like really taking the time to not only make it sound cool, but put something in there that could make it Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, not that Eminem's not or or you know, not that any of these people aren't.

This is such a personal thing, such a personal opinion.

It is just like comedy is very subject because there'll be some people that like a comedian, you know, like like I'm a story to more of a storytelling comedy.

I have quick ones, but I'm you know, I like to tell a lot of jokes in one piece.

Then some people like a stand up in a suit, monologue, set up punch late night style.

I think it's all in, you know.

I like the rappers that tell a story.

I like rappers that I'll be honest with you when you mentioned this, and this is no disrespect to like t I and like ludicrous and the South Rap which hit haven't gotten there right because that's the South right and the South Rap hit after.

But for me, I just think, and I don't even think it's a I'm not trying to be because I like West Coast rap too, I like all of it, but I just kind of grew up.

I grew up your East Coast.

East Coast guys were that was what was being played the most where if you were out in LA, here's somebody else that that.

A lot of people, you know who the West coast.

This is kind of like the West Coast version of an llll cool Ja maybe would be an ice Cube.

There's a lot of people that think ice Cube is You heard that story about when they were doing twenty one Jump Street no Jonah Hill and Channing Tatum.

They had twenty one Jump Street and they were on a plane traveling somewhere and ice Cube is either in the seat in front of the seat behind them, and Jonah Hill and some we're having an argument who's the best rapper on the plane.

And then they wanted his help, so they go ice We're having an argument, but who's the best rapper ever?

And he just goes motherfucker to me.

Yeah, but like if you go to like West Coast stuff, which we haven't even talked about.

Like, dude, I'll tell you whose voice, whose voice, just voice, the way they flowed was incredible.

Was easy Yeah, Dude, Easy EA's voice was incredible when you listen to NWA out of all of them, right, because you got Dre and you got ice Cube and you got that, and then when easy EA's voice came on, it was so different and like almost like mesmerizing.

Yeah, it was amazing.

Ice Cube.

So the first two rap albums, there's a big chunk of my history that's missing with rap because I was very into Long Island hardcore music from like ninety five to ninety eight, which was just like these eighty people at a show, seven bands playing five dollars.

I just I fucking loved it.

But the first two albums I ever got on my own that I was allowed to get was Cypress Hill, Oh my god, great and The Predatory ice Cube The Predatory, Yeah, so Wicked was out, yeah and ice Bro ice Cube The Predator that also, I'm kind of talking out of both sides of my face.

That had a big impact on my life because I grew up in Comac Long Island and the way that he spoke about Compton and Rodney King and the riots and racism and police brutality on the Predator.

Yeah, totally altered my mindset where I was like, Yo, this is like a window into a world I would never have experienced otherwise.

Remember Redman, Yeah, I was at a concert one time and it was Redman Method Man when they were torn together and Onyx opened, Oh God, and Onyx comes out and goes, you know, I remember, throw your guns in the air.

Yeah, and but like you just don't care.

I'm standing there and they were like, yeah, you know what time it is time to throw your guns in the fucking air.

And if there's a white boy, if there's a white motherfucker here, you know where to throw.

And I'm literally just gotta put on them like this.

I saw a jay Z and Busta Rhymes at Albany Sunny Albany, Oh really, and uh, jay Z came out.

I want to say jay Z came out.

I could be wrong, but I think I'm right.

Jay Z came out in a Indianapolis Colts Peyton Manning Jersey, Uh huh.

And he went on after and crushed.

I'll tell you.

I'll tell you another rap group that was incredible that it would be a sin for us to do this podcast.

And by the way, we know we're gonna miss some people.

I know, I don't.

We don't need your emails.

I don't need your your messages.

We know we're gonna miss some people.

We're just where this is.

Like you said, we can do multiple volumes of this, But the fujis Yeah, do the fujis like the score?

Yeah, the score with the fujis ready or not?

You know that the score was this song.

I saw Wycleff perform at Vassar College once, Yeah, and it was incredible.

Dude, he did that.

He did that.

I believe he did the national anthem with the guitar over his mouth Jimi Hendrix and crushed it.

Yeah, crushed it.

Put it up there and did it.

Crushed it.

Lauren Hill's album, dude, Yeah, the Miseducation of Lauren Hill.

Do you remember that album?

Yeah?

I do, And I know she's good and I have respect for her.

My my problem with especially the argument about who's the best rapper of all time is you have in the conversation.

Let's let's do a top ten right now, right okay?

Or are you good to do that?

Let's do it and then and then you know what we'll do.

We'll do a top ten and then we'll ask and see what their top ten is.

No, they the lists are so stupid for the show.

You ever you ever see the video of Little Wayne being told that, yeah, little Little Wayne being told that Gucci Mane was in like the top ten rappers above, Eminem have you ever seen that video?

And he goes, uh, Eminem, then Gucci and Lil One goes Gucci, Gucci Mane, Guci Main above Eminem shout out to Gucci like he was so surprised.

Shout shout out great in any order or just top ten.

The point I'm trying to make, Paul.

Okay, is this you have Biggie.

Let's just use a argue about who's the best of them, sees Biggie jay Z or nas right from where I'm from?

Jay Z said that right and exclude just to New York, right, Okay, Z said Biggie Right, No, Jay, it's a song for it's a line from where where I'm from.

Where he says, where pull your card and argue all day about who's the best MC, Biggie, jay Z or NAS.

Jay Z said that.

Nas is good.

He's flat for me, smooth.

You call it smooth, I call it flat.

There's no bounce.

Eminem is fucking bounce bounce bounce.

You can like see HIGs, you can see his words.

Biggie had three albums.

Unfortunately he was gunned down before he got to do anymore.

But to compare Biggie with three albums to jay Z with twelve or thirteen albums is impossible.

It's not fair to Biggie, first of all.

It's also like, you know, Eddie Murphy did two comedy spec yeah, yeah, Delirious and Raw and was done at twenty five.

And then you get somebody like Carlin who did like sixteen yeah yeah, and it's like it's tough.

It's not.

It's a really it's it is a tough thing because you get gun down Tupac two.

You know, when I listen to Na's flow, he's like that smooth athlete that you're just like, oh my god, he's got that in his repertoire.

He's got that, but he just does it smoothly where it's like other people come out of the Gate a little more raw like Eminem, but it's so so good, so so recovery, right, yep, so recovery.

Many people probably know this, but for those of you who don't, Eminem had a little drug issue, let's call it.

Yeah, I'm making a joke.

He was a fucking gonna die for sure.

Undred percent.

Yeah, but he grew you know the girl the way he grew up whatever the money.

So the last album that came out before he got sober was I want to say, the Eminem Show, okay, right with the with the Red Curtain.

With the Red Curtain where he's in a tuxedo.

Superman is on that.

Yeah, until I collapses on that.

Then after he got sober, Relapse came out.

And for me, when I first got sober, I got sober at twenty two years old.

For the first year, I couldn't get the words out of my head, Like if I was trying to talk to somebody, I'd be like, you know, the.

The what did you do?

What was your drug?

By the way, Oh that's a hold.

What were you doing?

Weed?

Everything and drinking or no, yes, of course, so everything, everything, anything and everything.

Who's the best?

MC?

Like anything?

Anything?

Everything, I never did heroin or crack, but only because it never crossed my pasth.

And then so you get sober at twenty two.

Yeah, yeah, you're saying for the year after that, you were still a little foggy.

My brain was not working.

So Relapse to me, for Eminem, is one is his worst album by fart.

That's the one where he close, That's the one where he like apologized to people.

Yeah, so Relapse comes out within his first year of sobriety.

Then Forever comes out.

Forever the song with Drake Uh, Kanye Lillewayn and eminemm Eminem's verse on that sick you're dealing with let me trying to figure out what he says.

You're dealing with a few true villains who stand inside of the booth, truth spilling until two feelings come flying up out of her mouth.

Now rewind it and I head exploded.

I was like, oh, he's his brain is back, Yeah, yeah, his brain is back online.

Then Recovery came out, and his verse on No Love with Little Wayne it was, I mean, it made my body want to fucking I used to run.

I swear to God shout out, I.

Need to go, I need to those two songs, I'm gonna get right now, no Love, and what was the other one?

Forever Forever forever shout out to my boy Peter.

In California, we used to There's a road called the Liso Creek, which was like pretty much straight up for like half a mile, and I would wait till Lil Wayne said get him and Eminem's verse kicked in.

I would and I would run straight up the hill.

Yeah.

I would run straight up to hill for a minute and a half and I just felt nothing.

All I felt was was him rapping that fucking verse is.

It's like, I don't hear Wayne.

I'm sorry, did you hear Little Wayne?

Come out for the Fuji's reunion?

No, so they're doing and ready the Fujis do a reunion thing, right, And all of a sudden, nobody knows he's surprised.

The Fujis they didn't know.

And all of a sudden you hear, you hear his voice, and they were on stage and nobody kind of knew who it was, and he just goes he said, ready or not, I steady my glock red dot on your head like the cherry on top, and then comes out and people saw dude, I just got it was so nuts and he just came out and like did ready or not with the fujis with that beat, and it was just it was there are certain times that are certain verses that are so sick.

Didn't When Nas and jay Z had the beef and Nas did ether and jay Z didn't, Nas said, eminem killed you on your own ship.

Oh glad you're bringing this up.

Yeah, glad you're bringing this up.

Yeah, okay, very important to me.

Go ahead.

So the Nas jay Z battle, even jay Z said, nasby me.

That's because so it was takeover yeah Ether yep, super Ugly yep, you remember super Ugly.

Super Ugly was not allowed to count in the battle because it was too brutal.

Okay, jay Z's mom called him and said, get that off the radio right now because it was just so brutal to Nas, it was like almost not fair.

So when people say Nas won the battle, they stopped the battle at Ether.

If you count super Ugly, it's not even it's not even close.

Super Ugly.

You have to listen to it.

He fucking I mean, he just he could destroy this man's life.

It played once on Hot ninety seven, but here's the deal.

Let me ask you a question.

Yeah, yeah, when there's a beef, shouldn't you only get one?

Because then noask I mean, here's the thing.

When does Kendrick put five songs out in a row?

No?

I know, you know, but so sorry, really quickly ahead the eminent When Nas said that.

For me, NAS created a story and a narrative that was completely unnecessary and has bothered me to this day because people who don't understand jay Z, not that you don't understand jay Z, but they'll say Eminem murdered you on your own shit.

They did a song together, right, It was not a battle, two totally different artists coming together on a great song, and that has created like this feeling not with you, not just with jay Z and Eminem, but where like this, this guy killed that guy on that song.

They did a song together, not a battle.

But when I said that, I wasn't saying that.

I was just saying Eminem had a great verse on it.

Of course he did, That's all I'm saying.

Yeah, fantastic, But it wasn't a battle.

Renegade was not a battle.

No, no, no, renegade, that's right.

Sort of classify it like that has always kind of thrown me off, where it's like, why you created a problem where there was no problem.

They did.

They literally made the song together and were like, this song is good.

Two things that need to be talked about.

I would have to say.

But s rhymes in his heyday, Yeah, had some bangners did when I was some baggers And dude, you mentioned it before, and I'm glad you did.

Outcast, Yeah, dudecast, I didn't mention it.

I was singing Rosa Parks when I came in, dude, and you go, ooh, I like that.

Outcast was really good, man.

Yeah, I've slept on them.

Yeah, admittedly.

Yeah.

I mean I'm talking I'm like two months into my love affair with Andre three thousand and it's twenty twenty six.

For those of you who may listen to this in a thousand years.

What do you think about?

This is gonna sound nuts Yeah, it's gonna be a nutty question.

But Ice, Ice, baby Vanilla Ice, you remember that.

So I was in so you're two years younger than me.

I was in sixth or seventh grade, so you were literally you were literally in fourth or fifth grade.

Yea, yeah, but I gotta tell you the beat on that.

If you take away the lyrics and you listen to the beat, the beat on Ice Ice Pea is crazy.

H Yeah, it's a it's crazy.

The lyrics are good too.

They were good.

Yeah, you know what it was.

It was the outfit, It was the hair out it was it was more of a spectacle.

He was really the first white rapper.

But I'll be honest if he if you did Ice Ice baby, yeah right, and he was just in a hoodie, sitting on a stoop and jeans, yeah, it wouldn't be as much of a character of himself.

It looks a little ridiculous now when you watch it.

But dude, I gotta tell you when he came out, yo vip, Dude's kick it dude, let's kick.

That was pretty good man.

Like I'm saying for the for to be young, Yeah, to hear a hip hop beat, yeah, that was.

That was like he gets shipped on, but like that was kind of dope.

Great song.

He tried to hang on too long, and I think he didn't know his place in the way.

You can't have pointed.

You can't have pointed show you look like a secretary.

You can't have you look like a nineteen eighty nine secretary.

Look like you're in the fucking the show, the movie nine to five.

I'm trying to think, Bally Parton.

Are there any white rappers other than the ones we mentioned Tons no Blake, I mean, listen, Beastie Boys, Beastie Boys.

The Beastie Boys actually one of the top.

First group white rappers.

Yeaheah, very good.

Wait Ice Cube, Oh oh the you know that they got sued Ice Ice, Ice Baby Van no Ice got sued by Queen.

Okay, you know that or not?

I didn't know?

Oh dude, this is one of the.

Funniest arguments of all time.

Okay, go ahead, Nope, under pressure by Queen goes.

Oh yeah, that's right.

Doom doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom doom.

Van know Ice was like, no, no, no, Mine goes doom doom doom doo doo doom doom.

It's original.

Yeah, that's like a comedian.

Yeah, no, it's not.

It's it's not.

It's it's not doom doom doom doo doom.

Dude's doom doom doom do.

How funny would that be?

On the stand?

Ronner Mine goes doom doom.

That's how I always bitched it.

Queen.

It's like no, no, no, oh man.

He obviously lost the lawsuit.

I mean he, I mean he's still.

Sampling is obviously a part of hip hop in general, but attribution you can't te pain.

I heard recently, I forget the name.

Maybe it was I'm in Love with the Stripper or buy you a drink.

He made no money on that song, wow, because he used samples.

He would take somebody's like a line and interpolate it, which is what that's when you sample a lyric and no money.

Everyone was like piece piece, piece ten, fifteen, twenty, whatever, no money.

He made no money on that song.

I just saw that video a couple of weeks ago.

I was like, wow, Wow, music industry is fucked up.

Music industry.

I interned at def Jam when Jay Z was the president.

Really speaking of Ella Cool Jay, this was one of, if not the coolest moment in my internship there.

I walk in my job.

There was to like, when they're making an album, they'll take a song and tweak it fifteen different ways, a little higher, snare, a little lower, this, that treble high, bait whatever.

They'll tweak the shit out of it and listen to all the different versions of it.

So I used to bring these CDs to all the different A and R wraps.

And I had a CD that I had to drop off and who was it?

God, I'm forgetting the third person?

It was j z ll cool J and another rapper in their office listening to ELL's album that was about to come out, listening to a song, and I was I had to give them the CD.

I was like.

What.

I didn't even want to go in the office.

It was so scared.

But it was such a sick moment.

I was like, worth it.

The whole internship is worth it because my my boss there was a She was evil, dude, really evil?

Are we are we what's it called?

Are we leaving out female rappers?

I mean, who got who cares?

Are we leaving out?

Are we believing out female rapper?

Yeah?

Why do you think we're talking about?

Best?

Here?

Hold on, let's just see what Internet says?

Ready?

Yeah?

Yeah, top ten rappers of all time?

Let's see.

Okay, fifty to fifty that's a lot.

We'll just read the top ten.

Yeah, I'll do, Okay, according to let's see, according to fifty greatest rappers of all time.

Okay, let's see here, number fifty.

We're gonna go through.

No, it's gonna take three hours, but just do the top ten.

Rick Ross is fifty, okay, Okay, Rev Run forty nine.

Paul, can I tell you something seriously, Nobody, this is like crazy.

We're gonna read fifty right now.

No, I'm just I'm gonna do to bottom ten and then the top.

Okay, okay, Meil e Mail forty eight, MC Light forty seven, Female Jada Kiss forty six.

That's way low, way too low.

Iced Tea forty five, okay, Queen Latifa forty four.

Bun B forty three.

Yeah, Redman forty two.

Huh okay, E forty is forty one.

I agree with that he should have been forty though.

Right, this is honestly way too fucking doctor Drake Drake.

Yeah, I saw this list.

That's why I didn't want to talk about lists, because this list sucks.

Yea, because they have Ludacris at thirty nine.

I'm gonna go to top ten.

Okay, So that was the bottom.

So the bottom of fifty is okay, all right, here we go, here we go, and we are okay ten, Nicki Minaj Okay, you know who was actually not bad?

Foxy Brown wasn't bad.

Yeah, all right, Nicki Minaj is top ten according to Billboard.

Okay, they just did the top twenty five comedians and I got upset, so Snoop Dogg nine, Okay, I'm kidding to get upset people.

What the fuck?

Drake eight, Lil Wayne seven, okay, Notorious b I G six, Gucci, eminem five, okay, Twupac four, Nas three, Kendrick Lamar two, and your boy jay z won.

That's a good list.

Actually, I think I believe that list.

Yeah, you were like, that's why I don't want to see it.

Look, Jada Kiss being forty six is crazy.

That's crazy.

I mean Jada Kiss being forty, being forty, But Dre being forty is crazy.

But if that's the top fifty rappers of all time, Dre's not a rapper.

He hated rapping, that's true.

He was more of he hated it.

Yeah, he's more of a producer as far as the MC bro.

And he's still forty, which is great.

I remember hearing a story that he told of him being in bed one day like just just fucking stressed out about having to make this song.

And he's like, he said to his wife one night, he goes, he said something.

He looked at her, He's like, I don't have to rap, do I I can just can I just make music?

And she's like, yeah, you can just make music.

And it was like, huh, like just release.

Oh my god, oh my god, oh fuck.

It's easy.

Yeah, yeah, easier if you don't want to do it.

I mean when he was doing it easy was writing and I you know what I mean, Ice was writing lyrics.

Doctor Dre was never a lyricist, so.

He had a verse like when you're in at most, when you're in a group, you have your verse at most.

And and Chronic was full of features.

So was two thousand and one.

Yes, full of features.

By the way, that what's the one forgot about Drake?

Yeah?

No, no, oh you know that was in training day he goes, you're in the office, baby.

He goes, we go into the office, and he goes, you're in the office baby, and the hydraulics go up.

You know what I talk about?

Dune Dune New.

Yeah, Why am I blanking on the fucking name of that song?

Yeah, I'm glad we got the Beastie Boys.

I'm trying.

Guys, you're gonna listen to this and be like, oh, you forgot about this.

You know you did say big Daddy Kane, we did say rock him, we did say run DMC.

Yeah, dude, the Juice album, huh good one.

Fuck?

I need to Oh still dr still d R.

Yeah yeah, still Dre, still Dre.

Yeah, great story about that song.

Yeah.

Do you know who wrote Dre's Verse?

Who?

Jay Z?

Really?

Yeah?

And when you listen to it, you can almost It's like jay Z wrote a lot of songs for people, but you can hear him.

You can hear jay Z's respect and and adoration for Dre in the writing of the music of the verse.

Dude, It's oh god, I fucking love it.

Dude, I love music.

Are we done?

Please don't tell me we're done.

I'm gonna fucking cry if we're done.

I'm not even like.

Just getting warmed done.

I know we're you know, it's okay, It's okay, I'm not gonna cry.

Hey, Mikey, where are we on time?

Bud?

Okay, thanks for the forty ninety minutes.

Ok Hey, give me, give me a light at forty five.

No, no worries, no worries, all right, man, an hour and five.

Look like you said, man, this is so subjective because yeah, we said Beastie Boys so late, and it's no disrespect.

It's just there are so many groups.

I remember Third Base, Yeah, you know, all of these different.

It's also like when jay Z put out where I'm from and he said, who's the best them?

See Biggie jay Z or Oz That album came out in ninety seven.

We're thirty years that's that almost like thirty years of music being created and great rappers coming out and albums and great rappers continuing to put out great albums from that era.

It's like, this isn't impossible conversation.

It's it's so subjective, and there's gonna be people that get mad because they're like, you're totally disrespecting, like the South and all that.

We didn't get there yet.

We didn't even get there yet.

Yeah we didn't.

We didn't even get there yet.

Master P, we didn't even get to him.

Yeah you know Juvenile like, well.

Yeah, people don't like Juvenile was the biggest.

What about now the cash Money Star?

I don't know, these guys.

Now, Like my son is like, oh, that's a little techa little gunna.

Yeah, yeah, there's a little tech fla.

There's a little gunna.

There's baby dub baby that little baby.

Or something, a little baby.

Yeah, and it's like, but now, I gotta be honest, it's kind of passed me by a little bit.

Can I tell you my son's favorite.

It's Travis Scott.

Oh really yeah, but Travis Scott's almost like a different genre.

Yeah.

He creates his own music like everything.

Yeah.

Yeah.

One of my this is a story of aging that I that really like really blew my mind a little bit.

Yeah.

So I was I did a merch clab with the Islanders.

Yeah, where I'm known as a beluga whale on the internet.

So it was like a bluega whale and goalie with like a stick and we were doing colors and and whatever.

And at the end of it, it's like me and like seven mid to late twenties people right that work for the Islanders, and the girl goes, okay, good, I think we have like I think we have the design down.

What do you want the colors to be?

I don't know if this is going to mean anything.

To you, but I go blue and Cream.

And I got nothing.

Blank.

The blank is stairs you've ever seen in your life?

And I go, no rakon fans here, and one of the girls goes, who's Rakwon?

Oh boy, you want to talk about old bro?

And what about this?

I mean, we didn't even get into the Wu Tang individual albums.

Ghost Face, who's your favorite member Liquid Liquid Swords?

Genius was nuts?

Who's your favorite Wu Tang rapper the Genius?

Yeah?

Yeah, I'm ghost Face?

Are you?

Yeah?

Like, I don't like when rappers talk about like like you know, like I didn't like candy shop, I didn't like ice cream.

I don't like when they talk about foods.

Yeah.

I don't like when, like anytime they talk about foods, there's no hunger, keep food out of wrap.

Yeah.

Like I don't care about a lick you lollipop, ice cream shop or like ice cream this.

I uh, well, it's a euphemism for sex.

Paul No, No, I get it, but yeah, yeah, I get it.

But I don't want to hear like a guy that did in the club and saying all that shit yeah and then be like I'll take you to the candy shop.

I I but the dude fifty cents amazing.

Yeah, I like the jizz.

Yeah, okay, I thought the genius was great.

You know, I think Method Man's great.

Liquid Swords liqu a song on that album Liquid Swords where the the kid is talking about how his father was the showgun and he was, you know, camouflage chameleon scouting their building and the wife's bro that.

First of all, take that out because that sounds insane that I would even try to do.

No, I remember the camouflage coming.

But they, all of them.

Riza has a very distinct voice.

Yes, I saw them.

I saw them at that channel whatever one of these places here, oh, terminal five, Terminal five.

Yeah, I went with uh sal my buddy sal.

But Wu Tang also bro.

It is nine people in a rap group, all from Staten Island, from the slums of shell In.

Yeah, all self produced, all self contained, all cohesive, but so different and unique, like you have O dB and Raquon in the same group.

Rayquon for me, I just think about I know he's good.

I want to like him.

Let me just say I don't dislike anybody.

After the Beatles, I was like, I can never say I don't like music.

Ever again, I just have to say I don't like it yet, or I haven't.

It hasn't hit me yet, right, you know.

But Rayquan with like I just think of him like he's a guy that rhymes confetti and spaghetti.

It makes no sense.

I have no idea what he's talking with.

Rappers just use words because they can use it.

I don't, like you said, until it until it like comes together.

I don't know what he's saying, never have even reading along with the lyrics.

I'm like, what is the what is he saying here?

Yeah, just word salad.

Tank.

We can do this for we can just I mean, we might have to do a Tank and Paul volume two of this, or maybe we'll do another music thing.

Either way, I gotta have you back because we did so much and there's so much left on the table.

Yeah, dispect that we just gave the Beastie boys and honorable mentions.

Actually crazy, Yes, it's it's terrible biz Marquis shout out rest his soul, like you know, human fat boys.

There's so much that we like left, so understand.

We know it's subjective.

We know we left some stuff out, but.

It was conversationest with you.

I felt like what I just did was kind of went under the radar, and you didn't really acknowledge how good my fat boy impression was.

Oh, I thought it was great.

I was just trying to say, like I was sorry.

I wanted a little bit more on it.

I wanted you to go, oh my god, how did you nail it like that?

Oh dude, that was I've heard fat boy impressures before that.

That was that really takes the cake.

Ah Oh Tak Sinatra, Thank you so much for being here.

Plug all your ship, plug your your socials.

Jim again, thanks for having me first of all.

Of course, it was a great time.

I really like you, dude.

I know that, like we we hit it off immediately.

We did, like we we you've I mean, if people haven't seen the episode, we hit it off before we even shook hands.

I remember and said a word to each other.

Yeah, because of a joke that I made.

You were so funny coming in and so so.

Can I just say this when we went to that hotel, Yeah, me and Tank shot something that literally, and I'm not making this up, it should be either in a movie.

In my opinion, it was such a funny scene that it should be in a movie or a television show where if you didn't see the gas station thing.

We go into this hotel and there's one bed and there's us two and we're like, dude, I'm not sharing it with you.

And there was this little off room that had a cot, and the whole thing was who's going to go in the cot?

And I was like, dude, can you just go and find out if we could get another room with two beds?

Long story short, He leaves, and the joke was He's going to come back and I'm out cold on this big bed.

Dude.

It was so fun doing that and I was just like, I can do a movie with this guy.

Yeah, Like I like, you know when you work with somebody.

Our camera crew that was there, and the director was like, I need this to be a show because I want to work on.

They had to shoot it like five times because we kept laughing, and.

We worked together all day.

We shot for about five or six hours in a mini golf place, a food place, an antique place, in a car, and in a hotel which looked haunted with those little dolls and shit.

Yeah, and I was like, we got to do something together.

So the hotel was scarier than the antique shop, way scary, way scarier.

There was nobody at reception.

Yeah, there was a doll in a little room.

The rooms were weird.

But we had such a good time.

And I appreciate it too, because anytime you work with somebody and you're like and people said, like, you two got to do something together, and we will.

We might go, we might put a turkey and get hair together.

Uh do funny Manhattan.

If in a year we did this podcast and just wavy locks, that would be sick.

And we're just talking about rappers again.

Yeah, yeah, we're not bold anymore.

Oh, Tank Sinatra, tanks, good news, influencers in the wild, the pack, just whatever, you know, just just.

Find me, go to all his all his socials are so funny.

By the way, I'm having fun for the first time in like nine years on Instagram again on Tank Sinatra.

Yeah, because I'm sure you get to this point in comedy.

I have always said like I don't care and I don't you know, blah blah blah, Like I kind of still cared, Like I don't give a fuck anymore.

Yeah, if a video gets four likes, yeah, or four million.

I don't.

I can't care anymore.

No, you can't care because there's no method to it's just you.

You put it out there and as long as you're having fun.

Yeah, and that's what I learned.

Like ever put out a clip and you're like, this is going to take over the redefine my career.

This clip is going viral and you look and it's got like one hundred and nineteen and you're like, all right, dude, so humble.

And then you do something that's like you don't think is good, yeah, and it murders.

There's no rhyme or reason.

So you got to not care and just have fun with you.

Yeah, guys.

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