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[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan Ruko from the SPN.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's currently in the middle of calling the WMBA finals.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's of course called NBA Games.

[SPEAKER_00]: For ESPN he also works for the Yes Network in New York.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you's and that's talk to him about uh...

[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of things is going to be having a much, much bigger work workload with the Natch with Ian Eagle scaling back, getting to a lot of stuff about the WMBA and how off the court seems to dominate more than on the court and Caitlin Clark and a bunch of other things there with Ryan and then Salacada.

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[SPEAKER_00]: ESPN's Ryan Rucco followed by a train of thoughts in Salacada, all right here, right now on SI Media with Jimmy Trinney.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, joining me now.

[SPEAKER_00]: one of my favorites to listen to call a game.

[SPEAKER_00]: Although I do have a bone to pick with him because his Yankees schedule is very light this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: From ESPN, he's got the WMBA finals right now, Ryan Ruko.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan has a go on.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's always good to talk with you, Jimmy.

[SPEAKER_00]: What did you do?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, 10 Yankees games this year?

[SPEAKER_04]: No, I had, I ended up being, I think, [SPEAKER_04]: I did like four in spring training.

[SPEAKER_04]: I did three or I think it ended up with spring training being like 20 or two or something like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it was mostly backward.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like I did five series in the month of August or four series in the month of August or something.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was a little less.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was like I did like five or six series instead of like around like eight.

[SPEAKER_04]: But some of that was just the reason I was backloaded was because my son was born in June and so I had this gap where maybe I would have done this series or two that I ate, and then some of it is just now like the event split with my BO with the SPN and gas compared to it.

[SPEAKER_04]: the years pass.

[SPEAKER_04]: So if just a little bit lighter, I'm also doing more next this year.

[SPEAKER_04]: So there's more like leaning towards that.

[SPEAKER_04]: So to give you all the all the contractual details, Jimmy, that was the yeah, that was kind of the reasoning behind it.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I was glad this series I got to do an August was when they they started getting on because they were playing a bunch of, you know, subpart team.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I was enjoying getting to do a bunch of things.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll talk about the Yankees here for a minute, and then we'll get to the WB.

[SPEAKER_00]: If I was on the net as well, were you in the mix at all?

[SPEAKER_00]: I see, I knew your ESPN duties were increasing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you got the WMBA, you have the MBA.

[SPEAKER_00]: Were you in the mix at all for the Yankee radio job after John Sterling retired?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I had, um, you know, I had a few different people, uh, either, you know, in or around the organization reach out to me to gauge, um, you know, my interest and, uh, and it definitely, you know, seemed like if I was interested, um, I'd have a good chance of, you know, getting it, um, but, um, [SPEAKER_04]: It just, with my responsibilities already to ESPN, there was just, there was no way to, to make that functionally work, to be able to do, you know, the kind of bulk that you have to do for radio.

[SPEAKER_04]: be thought of in that way, I definitely have a great relationship with the organization and so it's good to have no different things kind of reaffirm that.

[SPEAKER_04]: And for me growing up, oh, like I was obsessed with listening to Michael and John on the radio call the games, you know, and there, there's some really special and intimate about that radio connection and baseball specifically, and then with the Yankees specifically, but it just didn't make sense for my life or my current response of a is to pursue it further.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it does seem like it's impossible to do a hundred and whatever it ends up being a hundred and fifty hundred forty five yanky radio games and do he is pan at the same time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you how you can pull that off.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, I don't think you really can, you know, and yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: And one of the, you know, you can't really pull it off.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think just.

[SPEAKER_04]: for the jobs themselves, never mind, for just space to be human outside of the jobs, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: But if you're really gonna try and do 145 there, how are you gonna also give your soul and your time and your attention properly to the championship entities that I have at ESPN?

[SPEAKER_04]: So it was kind of like, it would be awesome.

[SPEAKER_04]: I do, I am battered, but there's just no logistical way [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, like I said, I always love Orion Rucoseries on the yes network when you when you fill in, but it sounds like we're going to get less and less of those because you're going to get more and more ESPN stuff it would seem like, but we'll see what happens there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the Yankees, you know, it's hard to get into too much here because we're taping on a Wednesday morning and we don't know when this comes out on Thursday if their season will still be going or we go to a game five.

[SPEAKER_00]: The only, I'm just curious, you know, so much is, the Yankees have this issue where it's world series or bust.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the way it's always been.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some people have a major issue with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine with it as a Yankees fan, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: What would you need this season to be to characterize it as a positive?

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't look at seasons as world series or bust for the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's not how I look at it because just not how I look at life, you know, I'm a big life is about the journey, not the destination guy.

[SPEAKER_04]: And if you, of course, I understood, I'm a, you know, a group of Dihearty Yankees fan in the, you know, my teams are the late 90s dynasty.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I obviously fully understand.

[SPEAKER_04]: know where the doctrine comes, and the reasons for it, and I do think not win the world series should always be reason for further evaluation and you know tweaking and adjustments and implementation and everything else.

[SPEAKER_04]: But the reality is you're just not going to win every year.

[SPEAKER_04]: So if that's the only measure by which you're determining it's a successor failure, you're just going to have a [SPEAKER_04]: a lot of failure.

[SPEAKER_04]: And for me, it's more, you know, how fruitful is the journey as a fan?

[SPEAKER_04]: How many moments are there as a fan?

[SPEAKER_04]: When you win, you relive those moments more, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's beat the blue days and that Aaron Judge moment becomes that much more epic than if they lose in game four or game five, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: We know that.

[SPEAKER_04]: But no matter what, moment in that night, holds a value to me, holds a meaning as this cam, sweatlers and being awesome.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, here's what I think about this particular team this year.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think, I don't think I would put anything as a failure.

[SPEAKER_04]: If they lose to the blue jays, I'm not gonna, oh, the season was a failure.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's just not how a character I think.

[SPEAKER_04]: But what I would characterize it as, is they masked, [SPEAKER_04]: opportunity, because I don't know how you feel.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're a big anchored man, obviously, Jimmy.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is the best I felt about the construction of the team, probably the Aaron Judge era.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love the athleticism and the speed of the lineup.

[SPEAKER_04]: I like that they strike out less.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think Cody Bellinger, [SPEAKER_04]: is sort of the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you'd feel way better if there was coal, but so my biggest thing is this is the best construction of offense, I think they've had in the Aaron judge error.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's not spots in the line of, you know, where you're going, oh, those three straight hitters that I feel like are just going [SPEAKER_04]: over the batch here.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so I just feel like I think they're really good.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's what that's where I feel like, oh, that was in this opportunity because you're not always going to get to this moment with A, this construction or B, this health in your lineup.

[SPEAKER_00]: I could push back on a lot of that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't feel like well, I'll say this.

[SPEAKER_00]: To me, I do agree that the theory of world series or bust is just an impossible way to sort of live, because you can't win the world series that often.

[SPEAKER_00]: So to have it be world series or the seasons of failure is a very, very tough way to go through each season.

[SPEAKER_00]: The flip side of that though is, if you're going to have the payroll they have, you better at least be at the minimum, I mean at the minimum you better be in the ALTS every year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean they have this built in advantage because of their payroll.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, not missing the playoffs as a catastrophe, losing in the wall card would be a major problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: You'll lose in the A of the S, I mean, I think that's bad, but okay, whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think what they're starting pitching is, or being thinking this is the best team they've had around judge, I'd feel that way if they had coalish here.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think without coalish here, that's, you know, think about this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I understand the guy was great.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not taking any away from him, the performance was the perform, but their season now relies tonight on a rookie.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Carlos Rodon always spits the bed.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he never comes through when you need him.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't love the starting pitching.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess as much as you.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if Schlittler goes in there tonight and gives another massful performance, then they've really got something here.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I know that I think he pitched once against the Blue Jay's, I think, oh great, they're in this season.

[SPEAKER_00]: And [SPEAKER_00]: The, you know, he is a rookie trying to keep their season going tonight.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I want to see him do that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I get it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I totally get it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I mean, if they had coal, yes, I would feel completely different.

[SPEAKER_04]: But then again, if they had coal, we probably wouldn't have gotten the Schletley game in game three.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, so I did.

[SPEAKER_04]: And if Ernest Arrodon, I think his playoffs had been more like AJ Burnett oh nine words like you get a good one.

[SPEAKER_04]: You get a bad one.

[SPEAKER_04]: You get a good one.

[SPEAKER_04]: You get a bad one rather than all bad.

[SPEAKER_04]: He still was pretty good in the wildcard route, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like his start was pretty good.

[SPEAKER_04]: They got three positive starts around.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, look, if free, there's going to be more what he was in game one versus Toronto, that's what he was.

[SPEAKER_04]: Game one versus Austin, not going anywhere.

[SPEAKER_04]: We understand that.

[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I believe in this team, I do.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that the boys, they've shown in their baths when down, like just to me feels different than what we've had in years past.

[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it won't be enough, but it feels different.

[SPEAKER_00]: you believe in a team, you have faith in team, I respect that, that's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: But me while if Aaron judges ball goes six inches the other way, this season's over.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that, but that's the beauty of case.

[SPEAKER_00]: It that sums off the sport.

[SPEAKER_00]: Perfectly is that that ball goes six inches one way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Who knows what goes on today.

[SPEAKER_00]: So have you did you in your limited run this year, did you call a [SPEAKER_04]: I did and I had a Schlittler slip up with his dad was my question was what was the prep for that how did it go what happened I did I did when I was recap because when you're what you're kind of focused on when you send the game I think you've trained yourself enough with the pronunciation that you're not gonna slip up but when you get [SPEAKER_04]: Um, you're more likely to stumble on a pronunciation, you know, or stumble on a syllable or whatever, and at some point right at the end of one of my broadcast, uh, I was kind of just recapping how we pitch and I was like, [SPEAKER_04]: and then like it just like it came out that way.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I think it's a, it's a treacherous name to navigate, especially when you maybe aren't dialed into saying it over and over again, and then you try and bring it back.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would imagine the difficulty would come to and you've got to say quickly, like on a bang bang player or something like that, like maybe like Schlittler company first.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it's the double like Cam talked about this, too.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think Brandon Cutty did a story in the athletic about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it was like kind of, you know, it's that it's like, slit, like the double like holes.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think really three people, you know?

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: Bye.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it's a fun chat, you know, and I was able to do like, you know, you can have some fun with it too.

[SPEAKER_04]: You sort of are like, okay, what's the wine I can walk with just pretending this name is is the word shit instead of shit, but right, like, but like I had one going to break where I was like more.

[SPEAKER_04]: more quality slick from cam, you know, like you can have some fun with his name that I think.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, from I play guy, especially, you know, 162 season.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's enjoyable.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the puns are definitely the puns will be out of control tonight.

[SPEAKER_00]: Win or lose.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can go either way with it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we'll see what happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Since we're on the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do the next for a second.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll go to the WMBA.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I came out last week said he's working way, way, way less net games on yes this season because he's got Amazon now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Does that mean more games for you?

[SPEAKER_00]: What's your schedule going to be with the net on yes this year, do you know?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'll be in our a position this year because of you know, I ins.

[SPEAKER_04]: having this back because his responsibility said Amazon, which congratulations to him because he's amazing.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I just think perfect choice for Amazon to be their lead for their MBA coverage.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so yeah, so he's going to do games like where he can.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I'll do somewhere around 35 to 40.

[SPEAKER_04]: that are our biggest share of them, and then, you know, I am will do whatever I think he said like he's going to try and get, you know, 10, 15 names in whatever he can, and I think Noah will try to as well somewhere in that range, but he's also really because of the NBA on NBC.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, and what's the kind of allowing me to be able [SPEAKER_04]: I'm, I'm getting to pick my aims for net, so I can, I can find my spots in and around my MBA on ESPN as football responsibilities and, you know, find enough to be able to hit a number that, you know, makes my bosses feel comfortable with me as the, as the, as the [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, is that you are you looking forward to being the A guy is that something exciting for you?

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah, I would imagine death, I did a hundred percent definitely.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think, you know, what I [SPEAKER_04]: What I like, what I get on my WMBA project, what I get on my winnings college project is, I like a feeling of leadership.

[SPEAKER_04]: I like a feeling of being somewhat, [SPEAKER_04]: a part of the kind of the controlling entity of a project, if you will, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know, you like that consistency with your producer and director and feeling like, you know, you're helping lay out the vision for how things should go or what you want to touch on.

[SPEAKER_04]: you know, important storylines and whatever.

[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, in reality, with nets, I've always felt some part of that because we're such a family, you know, and even from the time I was 23 years old starting nets, I made me feel like a part of the family from jump.

[SPEAKER_04]: he always made me feel that level of, you know, of connection and ownership anyway.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't think it's a drastic difference.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's probably there'll just be a more different in that amount of games I'm doing, but you know, it still feels good to me.

[SPEAKER_04]: I enjoy that leadership role.

[SPEAKER_04]: And because it's another thing I can look at and say that's an accomplishment in my career, you know, [SPEAKER_04]: uh, neglect, I wasn't going to feel, um, a lack of achievement because I'd love my role with the nets this entire time and I didn't feel like I needed anything else, but the circumstance just just happened to break this way.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I think it's a cool thing and definitely cool for me to be able to say like, hey, you know what, uh, you know, it's, it's awesome to, to think I get to be, um, [SPEAKER_04]: NBA team in addition to the other awesome the responsibilities that I have.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you said you're going to do like 35 40 net games.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know how many ESPN games you got for the NBA this year?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's usually we it's usually like 20 something it's usually around 20 the way that it's [SPEAKER_04]: the way that's broken up this year.

[SPEAKER_04]: It'll be a little bit more heavy post January because our schedule is a lot lighter at ESPN from the start of the season two Christmas.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I only do a few games through the [SPEAKER_04]: First, whatever, we don't have a game on our air from Thanksgiving to Christmas.

[SPEAKER_04]: We don't have any espiong game on our air for NBA.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, our slate in general is lighter in the beginning of the year.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, most of my games will come [SPEAKER_04]: post January we don't have those exact dates yet hopefully we will soon um but uh but um but that's where the book we said that'll be about that's usually like you know 20 something around there and then when it's college um is usually about it's usually about like probably 12 to 14 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a busy, busy schedule.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know, I know ESPN always usually mixes and matches, but do you know who you're working mainly with on the NBA this year?

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just know my first few games.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have a couple with Doris.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have one with J.

Billett's.

[SPEAKER_04]: I can J.

Oh, probably have a good amount together.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think Doris will be mostly with Pat, but they're usually is some mixing matching.

[SPEAKER_04]: We've done a little less over the last couple.

[SPEAKER_04]: the ad previously.

[SPEAKER_04]: But one of the good things I will say about that situation is I genuinely feel and I'm not just saying this like on this interview.

[SPEAKER_04]: When I see the analyst name next to me and who I'm working with, I get excited no matter who it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: I really do.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think our slate of ad are incredible.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've felt this way for as long as I've been with the project.

[SPEAKER_04]: This will be my 13th year doing MBA on the SPN.

[SPEAKER_04]: And if you go back to, you know, doing games with Thangundi, with Mark Jackson, Tom Barry back in the day, with Hugh B, you know, with, um, uh, [SPEAKER_04]: with Doris, with Richard, with Jay Jay, you know, with Jay, with Steph Y, back in day, with Vince Carter, who now I do some net scams with two, with Legler, I got to work with a little last year, and we've had a relationship from him coming on my radio show in New York back in the day, and I've loved his work forever.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, so I think I even got to do a game with Doc, and he's, you know, a couple months with our network.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I do I genuinely enjoy everyone who I work with there.

[SPEAKER_04]: So and if there's something cool about that and also there is I think there's there's always value in both things right there's value in getting continuity with your crew because that's how you kind of build towards.

[SPEAKER_04]: and the nuance for the biggest moments come play off time and the biggest games.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then there's value in getting exposed to more people because that's how you find out the chemistry you have.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think part of the reason our boss was able to see that Richard J.

J.

and I had something special was because they were exposed to us in a couple little spots, you know, uh, two years prior to them deciding, hey, we're going to give these guys a real runway together as it's right, you know?

[SPEAKER_04]: for both ways of going about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's turn to the WMB because you're in the middle right now of calling the WMBA finals between the Aces and Mercury.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't want to sit here and pretend that I'm a WMBA expert because that would be not fair to you or the people listening.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know a little bit about what's going on.

[SPEAKER_00]: But as someone who is not [SPEAKER_00]: following it closely, but who follow sports?

[SPEAKER_00]: I get all this periphery stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll am going to throw some things out to you that is my perception is someone who's not a huge WMBA watcher and you tell me what the truth is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: They have the worst reps and sports.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I don't know, I don't know if it's definitely that hyperbolic, but their officiating has been a problem.

[SPEAKER_04]: Their officiating is definitely a problem.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't blame the individual or as much as I do kind of the way it is more sort of holistically [SPEAKER_04]: page purpose.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think this is the best example of their problems, Jimmy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Page beckers pull this before a game between the wings and a fever that she had to learn how to defend wild fouling at the pro level.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because in college, she was like defend without fouling.

[SPEAKER_04]: They were going to call it here.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've had to learn.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, I could foul while I'm defending.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're not going to call it.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, so I'm kind of [SPEAKER_00]: So the women's game in college, the officiating is fine.

[SPEAKER_04]: No.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think that they've had their own issues.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think if you go back and watch and it was most watched game in women's college history and women's basketball history and one of the most watched games in recent memory and all of basketball, the Iowa LSU National Championship game in 2023, that was a horribly officiated game.

[SPEAKER_04]: horribly officiated.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so I do think that their the college game has its own issues and certainly there have been moments on the big stage too where they have come up, you know, [SPEAKER_04]: very short, but there is a little bit, and there's, it's not apples to apples with like, okay, just call it the way they do in college, but Rebecca, Lobo, my partner has talked about this, there is something about in college where they call a little tighter on contact and on freedom of movement, and then the players adjust, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: I think in the pros, if they called it a [SPEAKER_04]: players with a just and we saw that in game one of the finals and Becky Hammond even brought it up to us afterwards.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, in the first quarter, they called a few things right away, like a few touch things that they usually don't call with freedom of movement off the ball.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then all of a sudden, everybody adjusted and we got this [SPEAKER_04]: Gord with rhythmic fluid basketball, the basketball on game one was fantastic.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's what I've heard universally from the coaches and the players.

[SPEAKER_04]: And this is where Caitlin puts a magnifying glass on everything, right, because if you're watching Caitlin Clark and you want to see her skill in her talent.

[SPEAKER_04]: And instead what you're seeing her, you know, [SPEAKER_04]: Pushed and grabbed off the ball unable to shake free someone's able to put hands on her 50 feet from the basket and you'll like go do How is that not a foul it kind of exposes like that's not the kind of basketball We want right we want to see the athletes out there best and I've seen Obviously the most famous example of a blow up during these playoffs was Cheryl Reeve after you know game three of their [SPEAKER_04]: that was after a loss and I saw some people dismissing it as like, oh, they're just upset they lost.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, they're not.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they obviously were upset they lost, but this has been a common thread throughout, you know, teams and coaches and star players and other players after wins after losses all seem long.

[SPEAKER_00]: So is the poor officiating the main reason why the players don't like the commissioner [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's one reason why I don't think that's the only reason why, is it a big reason I don't know if it's a big reason I think I think that it's I think that there's a general frustration in the league with the officiating from across the board and so because the commissioner is the leader of the league assign some of [SPEAKER_04]: to the commissioner.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, to the commissioner's credit in her state, and the other day, I thought what she said about the officiating was exactly what needed to be said.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, hey, we hear you.

[SPEAKER_04]: We've had enough people come out and mention this.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's time for us to do some exploration on this.

[SPEAKER_04]: We are [SPEAKER_04]: to create a state-of-the-game committee to really dive into this and see how we can improve our game.

[SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was exactly what the Commissioner needed to set and what needed to be done.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, is that the only reason why the players feel the way they currently do or something?

[SPEAKER_04]: but they currently do about the commissioner?

[SPEAKER_04]: No, it is not.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think that what Nefisa Collier talked about was kind of the interpersonal relationship aspect.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you've heard some other players say that as well.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, I think the feelings are more wrong.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, because you're in the middle of a collective bargaining negotiation and I don't think many leagues have their players come out in the middle of a CBA negotiation, touting the commissioner.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's more typical for players to feel angst towards a commissioner during a CBA negotiation.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I think that they're probably, you know, from people I talk to, they're probably our relationship issues there that need serious addressing and mending for Kathy and the players.

[SPEAKER_04]: And when I say that, I do also want to say this because I think what happens is, you know, people [SPEAKER_04]: any ounce of negativity and certainly in our sport and certainly in social media, everybody like solely rallies around the players when it comes to the echo chamber of social media.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think the players have had a really valid points.

[SPEAKER_04]: And there's a lot of validity to their feeling.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think at the same time, we also do have to give credit to this commissioner for where the business is compared to where it was when she took over.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's not to say, she's the only reason for that.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's not to think, even the main reason for that.

[SPEAKER_04]: But if you're in charge of growing the business and the business is grown as much as it has in 2019, to me, it is known.

[SPEAKER_04]: fair to treat that as an and also earn and like that's a very significant success that this commissioner has had.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, is it enough?

[SPEAKER_04]: Is it good enough to eclipse bigger issues?

[SPEAKER_04]: No, those things need to be addressed and those feelings are valid.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I also think I haven't heard enough people talk about kind of the the massive metric success and sort of the innovation she's had automatically since taking over.

[SPEAKER_00]: But is that success due to [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's an outsider, that's exactly it's all because of Katelyn Clark, but I don't know.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, so here's where the nuance comes in, right, because as we know, the mediums with which people listen to this full conversation, they're going to get the full nuance if they just take a clip, they're going, they're not and most of us are just watching clips at a time, right, that's that social media doesn't make any of us smarter at all, right, they can still kind of digs us into a siloer.

[SPEAKER_04]: or inflames a rage or whatever algorithm has kind of sent us down.

[SPEAKER_04]: But the reality is, Caitlyn Clark is objectively the most impactful metric mover in the history of basketball.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think just the history of women's basketball.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think in the history of basketball, period.

[SPEAKER_04]: We don't see one.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, she has is the tiger woods of basketball.

[SPEAKER_04]: But we do not see one person impact ratings in team sports, the way the Caitlin Clark does.

[SPEAKER_04]: It just doesn't happen, you know, and when she goes to her first finals, we're going to see that impact.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like whenever she's in her first finals, you're going to see us absolutely a glitter numbers are prior to that, okay?

[SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, he's fed that.

[SPEAKER_04]: She has been in this late for two years.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I do believe rising tides raise all boats and some of the positives that we're seeing in the game she doesn't play in, whether it was for Indiana or otherwise, is still part of her effect.

[SPEAKER_04]: But all the numbers were still trending in the right direction before she got here, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: If you look at their friend, I say, from, you know, let's say what New York sold for when Kathy was first taking over towards what the Warriors ownership bought Golden State for, which was pre-Catland.

[SPEAKER_04]: There was massive growth there, massive.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, and then now we look at the franchise sale prices for Portland and for Toronto and for, you know, whatever happens with the Connecticut sale and the other franchises coming in and it's even higher and that is is part of Caitlin's effect.

[SPEAKER_04]: So the way I like to talk about it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: There was a simmering fire, and every metric, if you go back and you look at our stories from 2022 to 2023, everybody taught the growing leaf, and every metric was going in the right direction, okay?

[SPEAKER_04]: And [SPEAKER_04]: The players had really built this league up to start to become, I think, a very relevant and positive entity in the, you know, cultural zeitgeist.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then Katelyn Clark comes in and it's Jim.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's going to fire, it goes like this, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: And so when people talk about, well, like, you know, everybody treats the conversations like if a zero-sum game.

[SPEAKER_04]: K-art is the most important thing to happen to this league, but if K-art came along 15 years ago, I don't know that they would have been that jet fuel.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it was the right, but for it, because of how it had been building, become.

[SPEAKER_04]: direction and then took it a place then nobody else was going to and nobody else could.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so that's where I think you can give credit to you know the incumbent players and and to the commissioner and to everybody you've been building and then you also have to make sure you give proper objective metric credit to caveman Clark.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know there's a long answer to me, but I think it's, I don't know, no, no, I was in all the gaps.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I didn't want to interrupt there because I, I have as someone who, like I said, I don't follow golf either really, but as someone who covers the ratings and follows the ratings, I've said a long, the only calm to Caitlin Clark is Tiger Woods.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to rate television ratings, that's what I'm talking about.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I should point out to backup you point two, obviously Kate and Clark injured for most of the season, not in the finals, obviously with the fever, game one with the ACES and Mercury had 1.9 million viewers.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's up 62% from last year's game one of the WMBA finals.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it was the most watch game one of the WMBA finals in 28 years.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that would back up your point that [SPEAKER_00]: You know, obviously she's the needle mover, but without her, the league is still seen impressive growth.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to say that's exactly right Jimmy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's growth.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's growth outside of because of and, you know, with Caitlin, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have I have killed baseball and other leagues as well when they go out of their way to go head to head against the NFL.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then I see the game two of the WMBA finals was it three o'clock on Sunday.

[SPEAKER_00]: who's making that decision and is the thought process that there isn't much carry over a crossover audience, I just don't understand any support whether it's the WMBA major league baseball, why you'd go ever play anything on a Sunday afternoon during the NFL season.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious what you thought about that if you, I don't know if you want to get into that as a ESPN employee, but no, no, no, no, it's fine.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's fine.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, totally comfortable talk about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I first of all, I do want to say this.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think our programming department at ESPN has done an incredible job of optimizing our schedule and and helping our ratings.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like if you look at the matchups, they help curate.

[SPEAKER_04]: the windows they help curate the way they like they have they've taken such an ownership of women's basketball that they they really like and I can tell you because what I appreciate about them is they'll even don't consult with us you know with Rebecca with me with Holly and they'll say hey you know tell us what are the match of what are we not seeing look at this schedule without like what do you think which I think is really they should [SPEAKER_04]: Well, not, I'm not talking about that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just talking about the match of the general and the regular season, like whatever, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: They're fantastic of that.

[SPEAKER_04]: But here's the thing, Jimmy, you are typically, I actually have no problem with those windows.

[SPEAKER_04]: Would you do the ABC, it's when we get ABC, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: So we get ABC on Sunday.

[SPEAKER_04]: Typically, our ABC games, obviously they're just available to a broader audience, typically they're going to, like in the rain, they have a higher average rating than on ESPN, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: And [SPEAKER_04]: we have seen rating success in those windows throughout the year, both in the WMBA, as well as even in women's college when we do it, against MBA.

[SPEAKER_04]: We don't do it a ton, but we actually have some success.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think the flip would be, where do you want to put it?

[SPEAKER_04]: If you're not, are you just not going to play on weekends?

[SPEAKER_04]: Are you not going to play Saturday Sunday?

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, now you're cramming into every other day.

[SPEAKER_04]: We can't do Mondays because we have Monday night football, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like so you're going to do what you're going to just play on Tuesdays and Fridays or Tuesdays and Thursdays and you're going to play two games a week and have this massive gap.

[SPEAKER_04]: between games.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I think there is an actual logistical puzzle piece issue with the calendar, where as long as the WMBA is playing in September and October, you're going to have to play on weekends.

[SPEAKER_04]: That means you're going to be going up against either college football or the NFL.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, to put the WMBA on, we have football on ABC and ESPN the entire day, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: So then our window would be on Sundays.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that three o'clock slot on Sunday afternoon, where if we get a tight game, right, we're kind of ending at a time where you might have locals in the NFL, plus I do think some of our audience is not the NFL audience, or if you're just looking for the sports fan, [SPEAKER_04]: If you get a great game at a big moment, it might be happening when there's a low on the NFL schedule.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't think there's a good alternative solution.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so I think we've learned, you know, Tuesdays and Wednesdays are especially big for us programming wise during the playoffs and finals on ESPN like you saw at Fridays as well.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, if we can maximize those days great, but you're still going to need to put something on the weekend in order to not have these outlandish gaps between games during the finals.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I, like I said, I don't know enough about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, I would even maybe move the, I, I would move the season and don't, I don't know, have it end before the NFL starts, have it end, they're, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I, I just think, [SPEAKER_04]: You're saying, you don't know Jimmy, problems with the issues, my man.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, he has what I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I 100% would never play on three o'clock on a Sunday.

[SPEAKER_00]: That I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would put the game at [SPEAKER_00]: either eight o'clock where you go you go you go you go head to head with one game or started at nine o'clock and do a staggered start again something like football so you can maybe you know pull for some of that audience if it's halftime or something like that three o'clock to me is no man's land but but if there's not a lot of questions you were ready that doesn't matter [SPEAKER_04]: But I think there's some crossover audience, like sports fans or sports fans.

[SPEAKER_04]: And now I think the WMBA is more and more into just something that's in the mind of the general sports fan.

[SPEAKER_04]: So let me add, let me just, would you, would you rather a Sunday at eight on ESPN, rather than on three on ABC?

[SPEAKER_04]: You four 50 ABC broadness, because you're not going to do, you're not getting ABC on Sunday night.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I know, I, I, I, I, I, well, that's a problem too.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they should give you ABC on something night.

[SPEAKER_00]: But if they won't, which they won't, I would rather, I would sacrifice that because I think that, yes, network is always going to draw a little more than cable.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I still think, in the case of ESPN is so big, it's much different than Fox.

[SPEAKER_00]: ESPN, that's where people go to for sports.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think everyone knows that the WMBA is on ESPN, [SPEAKER_00]: So I would make that sacrifice, but I'm sure like some TV guy will come out with some print data sheet and tell me why that's the wrong decision.

[SPEAKER_04]: But but but I will say I don't know.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know our people are obviously super thoughtful and analytical about all this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know the reasons for for why we do the ABC at three versus the the ESPN and eight.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I will say this last year game five of the finals [SPEAKER_04]: on SPN at eight.

[SPEAKER_04]: I believe game five was on Sunday last year was October 20th.

[SPEAKER_04]: I believe it was a Sunday, and it was a Sunday, and it rated incredibly well to your point.

[SPEAKER_04]: So maybe there is, I'll give you this Jimmy.

[SPEAKER_04]: You have offered a solution, but I think at least merits further examine it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, listen, the Yankees played it four o'clock Sunday, and I had a hard time locking it on them.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're all the NFL going on.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I'm getting, I get, I think, I think there's, I think your, your alternative solution is one worthy of consideration.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll take it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the last thing on this sort of, as we begin to wrap here in Ryan, of course, has the WMB finals aces in Mercury on ESPN.

[SPEAKER_00]: They play this comes out Thursday, so you have a game Friday, and then hopefully you don't have a 4-0 sweep, and then you can keep going and it works with Rebecca Lobo.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's sort of like the perception of the WMB.

[SPEAKER_00]: It seems to me again.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's all of [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe this is true for other sports, but it seems to me that most of the talk about the sport is about off the court stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: As sort of like the voice of the sport, is that by the you would all, it's just something you can't control or is it a social media thing and not really a real world thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it does seem like between the commissioner, the rafts, the Caitlin Clark, who hates Caitlin Clark, who's jealous of Caitlin Clark, is that everything seems to be off the court that gets coverage.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: It does frustrate me at times that that is the case.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think what's ironic about it is the thing that actually.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, the core, the foundation, the thing that's the number one reason for why Caitlin Clark became the star that she is is what she does on the court is the fact that she plays in this electrifying way hitting, you know, 35 foot bombs with regularity like in the scene before and you know, and that what she does on the court is actually what made her is the number one reason that she became the star that she is so there's something ironic about you know all the [SPEAKER_04]: conversation now being, you know, off the court stuff, just in regards to the league in general.

[SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, I think some of it's just a product of social media, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like it just, it's whatever people think they can, you know, [SPEAKER_04]: generating to the most fervent opinions, whatever can kind of get in the rage machine and multiply.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so some of it's just that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I also think you're at a particularly touchy time because the CBA, that plays a role.

[SPEAKER_04]: Also, and then I do think there's this Jimmy like, and I said this, I was talking with Super the other day on her pod and I said this.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I think unfortunately for the women of this league, [SPEAKER_04]: decade of evidence that if they want something to happen, they have to complain about a publicly.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that has been how things get done in this league.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm sure they would love for it not to get to that.

[SPEAKER_04]: But unfortunately, they have this of evidence.

[SPEAKER_04]: The players have mountains of evidence saying like, oh, if we want actual change in this league, the only way people are going to do it behind the scenes is if we complain publicly and get it into the [SPEAKER_04]: you know, get it into the public conversation.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I think that that also helps, you know, turn these stories.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's a difficult balance because I think, you know, you also don't want to do something that's going to constantly submerge the brand.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the more and more you complain publicly about the league, I don't think it helps the brand of the WMBA.

[SPEAKER_04]: But the players are in a spot where they feel like if I'm going to get something done, I need to, I need to play it about this publicly.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so I think I, you know, I sympathize with them because I'm sure they're aware that it'd be better to not have to, but up until this point, they feel like they've had to in order to get things done.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Before we wrap it, I'm just curious, I'm doing research.

[SPEAKER_00]: I noticed you have not tweeted in like a year, are you done with Twitter?

[SPEAKER_00]: And if you are, that's what I mean, play by play person should do.

[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, man, I, at the beginning of a playoff last year, I, [SPEAKER_04]: for WMBA.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just kind of realized, I was like, I'm going to not be on this at all.

[SPEAKER_04]: It does not, it's not productive for my mental state during the playoffs.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then I just realized, like, I don't need it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I don't.

[SPEAKER_04]: Honestly, the only thing I really felt compelled to need, [SPEAKER_04]: Twitter for was like news breaking, but now with what we have with the ESPN app where I can just subscribe to to updates and alerts from Chef the Inframshams.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like I don't, you know, like during the trade deadline for the MBA, I was just getting the direct things from Shams.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't be on Twitter.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so in it was not just about the particular, the [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the discourse is so toxic and women's bathroom particular.

[SPEAKER_04]: I guess that was just like, I don't know you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not that you're just not tweeting.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're not even checking who you follow, like, for news.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've been, I've been on for over a year.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's impressive.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good, that's a legitimate, yeah, that's a legitimate break.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some people don't tweet, they still check it because they want to get news.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but what I realized was I'm like, I wish, what I started thinking was, I was like, often do I open this app and feel better after the time I spent on it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I often, you know, yeah, I don't.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the reality is this obviously speaks to something much larger than just, [SPEAKER_04]: me or Twitter conversation, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, how often do you, what you open on your phone?

[SPEAKER_04]: How often do you feel better for having spent that time the way you spent that time?

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I would, I would guess universally, our answer is, [SPEAKER_04]: You know, more than 50% of the time we feel worse than better for whatever we have it just on our phone, but it's obviously designed to a dick does and so, you know, we we do it mindlessly, but I'm just trying to consciously break that addiction as much as I can.

[SPEAKER_04]: I started realizing to them like.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm hanging out playing with that full-year-old daughter.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's the most magical thing in the world, and I feel compelled to like update my Twitter timeline.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, forget that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm done, like with that fraction.

[SPEAKER_04]: Anything that needs to find me, Tim Ferris has this thing about why he doesn't watch the news, and I think it's so true.

[SPEAKER_04]: Anything I can do to know, [SPEAKER_04]: that that need that I need to absorb will find me it'll it'll find this way to me somehow like someone else yeah yeah it gets there like I don't need to be you know yeah I get that yeah yeah I would imagine um I mean it [SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting because there has been this mess of growth with the WMBA and is obviously the king and Clark factored, but you do still see people use it as a punchline.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I would imagine if you're a voice of the WMBA, why do you need to immerse yourself in that?

[SPEAKER_00]: What would be the point?

[SPEAKER_00]: But it also, again, just shows the ridiculous, like, if you're calling WMBA games, and someone doesn't like the WMBA, it doesn't want to follow, why are they following you?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like the whole thing is just so warped.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, because it's a, and it doesn't even look like someone hating on the WMBA.

[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't even like bother me at this point.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, you know, if you're making the joke about, you know, like, oh, no one watches the WMBA, like you're telling on yourself, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, definitely the kind of person I don't need to spend the second of my life on.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it's for, so it's more so just even like the [SPEAKER_04]: you know, it's just like it's just it's a it's a form that breeds negativity like what why would you would you fight like if somebody said to you hey you're going to have a party and you know we're going to invite you know 60 strangers who are all going to drain you of your energy would you be like yeah come on in like let's party we're going to have a blast you know no you'd be like why not and that's that's my point Jimmy [SPEAKER_04]: None of us would be on this.

[SPEAKER_04]: None of us.

[SPEAKER_04]: Zero people would be subjecting ourselves to this medium consciously.

[SPEAKER_04]: But instead it pays on us because there's so much brain science invested in it in it's molding that it craze on us and our need for dopamine hits and you know and we all fall into our looks threads is now doing it on Instagram and they're doing a good job of sneaking in there too and [SPEAKER_04]: It's just a matter of trying to consciously be like, no, I'm going to separate myself.

[SPEAKER_00]: Smart.

[SPEAKER_00]: No one who does play a play should be on Twitter.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's always been my theory, but, and you do a lot of play by playing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're up.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you're right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so we got Ryan on the WMBA Finals currently going on.

[SPEAKER_00]: You'll see him on the MBA coverage on ESPN College Women's College Basketball on ESPN the nets, but not so much the Yankees anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, it's a bummer.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm still, hey, I'm still, don't do it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, Jimmy, I will always, you know, the Yankees are in my soul.

[SPEAKER_04]: I will always have the Yankees going there.

[SPEAKER_04]: As long as my incredible boss, [SPEAKER_04]: Mac at the yes network is cool with it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'll always be doing some Yankees.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's good to know.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's good to know.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy the rest of the WBA finals and you have coming on BACs and we'll talk to you soon.

[SPEAKER_00]: Appreciate you doing this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Take it easy.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Join me now as he does every week for our train of thoughts.

[SPEAKER_00]: Segment from WFA and already on New York and YTV in New York.

[SPEAKER_00]: My buddy Salacada Sal.

[SPEAKER_00]: How's it going?

[SPEAKER_00]: Not bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty much all you can't for these days, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, let me look dude.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to be honest with Yankees continuing to succeed in the postseason, bothering me a smidge, but outside of that, you know, everything else is all right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Continuing to succeed.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're down to one.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, but they should have been.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think the blue jays have what it takes to put them away.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that could be wrong by the time that this airs, but I don't I just don't believe in them.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I expect a Yankees Mariners ALCS.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's really sucks that we're taping this Wednesday afternoon because we don't, you know, it comes out Thursday and either the Yankees season will be over or They will go to a game five, but what do you think?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're gonna lose in game five in Toronto.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, thank you.

[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they can get there at least.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be shocked if they even lost in game four.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think, I understand everyone has Cam Schlittler, Mania.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're asking for a rookie to save the season twice.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's still a rookie.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not easy.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it just goes to show you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is what the best thing is about baseball.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like we all love football and we think football's the greatest.

[SPEAKER_00]: But when you make the argument that baseball's the greatest, [SPEAKER_00]: If that Aaron Judge Bull goes two or three inches to the left, the season's offer, like, that's what makes baseball so freaking great.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, or, or if ICF could field a grounder or the third basement could catch a pop off, like we've seen the red socks and blue jays do what the Yankees had been doing for years, making fundamental mistakes that have been costing them the gains.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I just don't feel like [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying the eggs are going to win the world series.

[SPEAKER_03]: Their offense is so good.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't see how the blue jays have the arms to put them away even if it isn't a game spot.

[SPEAKER_03]: But we'll see.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the yanky offense is so good.

[SPEAKER_00]: They have to hit home runs.

[SPEAKER_00]: If they don't hit home runs, then they don't score.

[SPEAKER_03]: should be different this year was a little bit different, but I just, I don't think Toronto's got to put a team like the Yankees away takes a lot.

[SPEAKER_03]: When you're not, when you don't have a championship pedigree, and the Blue Jays certainly don't have that.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll believe it when I see it, but I highly doubt we're gonna see it from the Jays.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the match is, I feel like this is Sal, Metz fan, reverse, reverse, Jings.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I've heard that.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's really what I believe.

[SPEAKER_03]: I felt that way before this series, I was shocked, pleasantly surprised by the first two games.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there really is no jinx, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Of course there is.

[SPEAKER_00]: But like what we what were you saying when it was six one on Tuesday night?

[SPEAKER_03]: I was enjoying it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I still did not think it was over.

[SPEAKER_03]: I legit actually I literally legitimately bet the Yankees and the over.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, in game it was six to or something like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: What odds did you get plus it wasn't great because I took the Yankees plus one and a half and it was like over six and a half It was before the judge home or obviously right it was over six and a half and I got him at plus one and a half and it was like I forget the out whatever was like one might as one year or whatever plus 180 something that [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, plus 180.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why did it happen?

[SPEAKER_01]: Why did it happen?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but the odds, if you would have better what out the plus one and a half would have a half would have been good.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I did that because I still wanted to roofen them to lose and be able to win the bad at least have that whole life.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is a total reverse jinx.

[SPEAKER_00]: I do think Seattle is going to get to the world series, not who wins the series.

[SPEAKER_03]: I want to know who I'm very very good with their picture is a brand-new who he's banged up and not in this series, but they're going to need him to beat the end.

[SPEAKER_00]: But everyone's going to have problems.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Ron don't can pitch in a big game.

[SPEAKER_00]: I get every team is going to have a problem.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know, but it was healthy.

[SPEAKER_03]: I trust, I think he they'll have enough to get the idea.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's potentially.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was expecting max free to spit the bet.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we'll see what he does in game five assuming there is one.

[SPEAKER_03]: I do think the Mariners Yankees will be a tremendous series.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's history there in the postseason.

[SPEAKER_03]: Rally judge, good pitching, good offense, some stars on each side.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's a good ALCS.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you just made me think.

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even think of that angle of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Rally judge.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it seems like it's got to go that way.

[SPEAKER_00]: I should bet Mariners Yankees to both win this parlay it to win their series now, because Yankees probably still a good price for the series I would name.

[SPEAKER_03]: Probably not because there was a plus four 50 yesterday before yesterday's game I bet it's Oh, I'll tell you right now what it is Oh, wow, there's still plus one eighty two.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's come down significantly But their their mind is one eighty favorites tonight, so it really just comes down to do you think they're gonna win a game five Yeah, I'm not sure about that I would like to parlay [SPEAKER_01]: Yankees Marinus, because now I think we're going to get, we're going to get the Judge Rally matchup.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know that everyone loves Joe Davis, so I feel like whenever I knock him, everyone gets so mad.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hated that home run call on Tuesday night.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here's as the balls in the air, this could be his moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, first of all, number one, he had a game tying home run in the bottom of the eighth with the Yankees down two one last year in the ALCS against Cleveland against the best closure in the game.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And his moment quote unquote, if that's the angle you want to take, it's got to come in a world series, not an ALDS.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: I read the real quick on that.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not here to like rip on Joe Davis.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're better at this stuff than I am.

[SPEAKER_03]: My biggest critique and I ripped the smoke today for this, there's not enough energy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm not saying everybody needs to be harlin or guss, but Joe Davis is monotone and John Smolt is a library.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like you're doing a postseason.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, no.

[SPEAKER_00]: That, I got, [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, the last thing Joe Davis's is monotone.

[SPEAKER_00]: He screams on every single call interesting, I don't get it yet [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I will text you tonight during the game.

[SPEAKER_00]: He screams constantly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but my, he's like, to me, there's no energy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, maybe when he screams on the high notes fair, but like, throughout the game, there's no energy.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's no what?

[SPEAKER_03]: You're right about smalls.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, smalls is like, there's no energy, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: He's not, he was more sleep than jazz, just some less.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I like, I think smalls is the worst number one analyst in any sport.

[SPEAKER_03]: Now, are you saying that because of the energy or everything?

[SPEAKER_00]: He's just, he brings, he's just, he's not bringing anything that I find compelling.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I like small, I love them as a player.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's a brilliant mind, obviously.

[SPEAKER_03]: I can't deal with somebody who is on the air and is not giving any ounce of energy whatsoever.

[SPEAKER_03]: It drives me up a wall and he does that all the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Analysts in baseball usually are not the ones who are bringing the energy.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's usually, you know, Brian Anderson is great over on TBS.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like, I like Adam Amin on Fox who's doing the Tigers Mariners.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just, my issue with Joe Davis is it's constantly yelling and every call seems [SPEAKER_00]: forced and it's not he wants to do a story with like last night with Judge the mom here's his moment as the balls in the air he did it with that dodges when Freddy Freeman had the grand slam his his Kirk Gibson moment which was not even similar and but everyone of course was orgasming over it so you know I know I'm gonna get killed but like I give me the call of the play and save like the commentary for afterwards but [SPEAKER_00]: That's just my own beef.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I was going to bring this up.

[SPEAKER_00]: But since we're talking about announcers and excitable announcers, I'm sure you didn't watch any of the Dolphins Panthers on Sunday, but I got to throw this out there.

[SPEAKER_00]: So Fox because Fox has [SPEAKER_00]: the baseball postseason right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: They have to ship off Joe Davis in Adam Amine, who usually do NFL games on Sunday's to the baseball, so they need fillings.

[SPEAKER_00]: So filling in for Fox on Sunday, calling the Dolphins Panthers game was Eric Collins, who is the play by play voice of the Charlotte Hornets.

[SPEAKER_00]: He also does college football games on like FS1, okay?

[SPEAKER_00]: He makes Gus Johnson look calm.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, you got to, I, okay, so my biggest bet of the day on Sunday was over 22 and I have points for the doffins.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I was locked it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So although I was good, I had the sound going back and forth between that game and the Denver filly game because that ended up, especially towards the end, I blew up the doffins and I was focused like the whole fourth quarter on the Denver filly game with the sound, which was Nance and rummo.

[SPEAKER_00]: go to like either the Panthers, go to the Panthers website or even the NFL website on Twitter and just listen to some of the calls like it was 17 nothing the Panthers score to touch down.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was screaming like they just won the Super Bowl.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I would want that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And like I don't know if I would have wanted that in a Denver fillet game, but for like the Dolphins and Panthers where the game is completely irrelevant, I enjoy the hell out of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now I tweeted about it and it was like 50-50, like people who loved it and people thought, oh he's making it about him, who needs all the script, you know.

[SPEAKER_00]: But [SPEAKER_00]: I got to give a shout out to Eric Collins because if you can get that pumped up for the Dolphins and Panthers God bless you.

[SPEAKER_00]: He made that game a thriller.

[SPEAKER_00]: See, I'd rather that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't hear it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'd be curious to check it out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes I do think it's too much like Harland to man or you love them.

[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes it needs a little too much.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I'd rather that and have the excitement.

[SPEAKER_00]: as opposed to the other way we just have guys who don't it doesn't seem like they're either having fun or excited about calling again this guy was excited believe he was more excited about calling that game and we've ever been for anything in our lives i can tell you that right now go back and this is my issue so i want to be clear like with their columns and i feel like with harlin [SPEAKER_00]: their yelling doesn't seem forced.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Joe Davis for whatever reason to me, it seems forced.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know, I probably picking on the poor guy, but it's interesting that we would have different opinions on Joe Davis where you get on him for yelling and I get on him for I don't think he's got enough energy, high enough energy throughout the night.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel bad for the guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Poor guy can't win.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to text you tonight every time he yells, you're fun to be buzzing every five seconds.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to also bring up Hulu, cancelling the Bill Bellachick series at North Carolina.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't ever remember someone, tarnishing a legacy like this in my life, from this standpoint.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now listen, he won six Supermoles, nothing can take that away, like he won six Supermoles.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But, since he won that last Super Bowl, Brady leaves Brady goes and wins with the box.

[SPEAKER_00]: Bellachek, the Patriots completely collapsed, is the second Brady left.

[SPEAKER_00]: The NFL won higher, and he's got to solid himself and go to the University of North Carolina.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's dating someone 400 years younger than him and it's an embarrassment, and now like they get to the foolish series.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, from the second Tom Brady left him, you're seeing an epic collapse, and I'm assuming you and I are an agreement here, but I'd be curious to have this conversation like I am a huge [SPEAKER_03]: Bellachek fan to a point where when it was Bellachek verse Brady like that silly thing I was always siding and while I respect Brady and think he's the greatest I would side with the coach and bellachek To your point Brady goes on when's the Super Bowl Bill has embarrassed himself here like the Jordan Hudson thing not a good look Getting your ass kicked when you were with the people every week [SPEAKER_03]: Every week of the Patriots and getting embarrassed at the collegiate level every week.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like I do think that It's not taking away from what he's already accomplished, but this is not the way and this is a solid legacy 100% of the electric fan He's he's hurting his legacy here again.

[SPEAKER_00]: We live in this era We're nobody cares about facts and people just take facts and they just dismiss him and I was with you I've always said greatest coach of all time period and story [SPEAKER_00]: But the fact of the matter is very simple.

[SPEAKER_00]: Brady left, wanna superbowl with a box team.

[SPEAKER_00]: There was not exactly like loaded with, you know, talent.

[SPEAKER_00]: And when the, from the second Brady left, Bella chick is that nothing but loose with the Patriots and a college.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you can spin that you, but someone could spin it and say like, okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's still the greatest coach of all time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't argue with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: He won six superballs.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't argue with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you can't say the legacy hasn't been tarnished somewhat when those are the facts.

[SPEAKER_00]: Brady left and won.

[SPEAKER_00]: He with the Patriots and a college.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Patriots was one thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: He had no talent with the Patriots.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he probably doesn't have any now North Carolina, but in college you can just go buy players now and they're getting their asses kicked every single week They should be more competitive.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to hear about the talents your bill bell check.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're the greatest coach of all time figure out a way to get your football team to become competitive on Saturday to get in Belgium every week.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's an investment and he's running around what his girlfriend like he can do whatever he wants in his personal life, but that that does add to the [SPEAKER_00]: Well, two weeks ago, she's on the field and they're like whispering in each other's ears right before the game starts when have you ever seen that and what a coach and I was looking I actually had a lot of my to-do list of watching that series.

[SPEAKER_03]: I couldn't wait for it to come out and now I take it off the list.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_00]: One last thing off the to-do list.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to see that to-do list.

[SPEAKER_00]: What is on that to do list?

[SPEAKER_03]: I'll give you a couple shows that I think I have one.

[SPEAKER_00]: The show didn't even come out yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: You had it on the list.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know that shows you how like, OCD I am.

[SPEAKER_03]: Couple, I have a few movies on there.

[SPEAKER_03]: The new Avatar movie, I want to see the smash you machine with the rock.

[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't do well at all opening weekend, but I want to see it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I heard that.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then one battle after another.

[SPEAKER_03]: Is that the one with Leo de Caprio?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's supposed to be some big movie with Leo de Caprio.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's out there.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's, will you go see the Springsteen movie?

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not gonna go see it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'll watch it don't wanna come out.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: All right, I'm not gonna go see it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a Billy Joel guy.

[SPEAKER_03]: I like Bruce, but I'm not gonna go to the movies for that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm gonna go see it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Really?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cause I just love that guy from the bear.

[SPEAKER_00]: Who is he, Bruce?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy Allen White.

[SPEAKER_03]: The dude who played in the Texas 20.

[SPEAKER_00]: Martin.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: The Von Erick's.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_03]: He is great.

[SPEAKER_03]: Now we saw together.

[SPEAKER_03]: What was the name of that movie?

[SPEAKER_00]: I forgot.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was about the Von Erick family.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: The name of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was depressing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see like the thing with the Bob Dylan.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a Bruce fan in terms of his music.

[SPEAKER_00]: But.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can understand the appeal of his music like Bob Dylan.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't understand that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas Bruce at least I can understand why someone likes thunder road or dancing in the dark.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like, and then you put, I love the bear so much.

[SPEAKER_00]: So is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, [SPEAKER_00]: The Mark Sanchez story, I just, this, I feel like [SPEAKER_00]: The whole thing is just so absurd on so many levels and I guess now we have to wait to see a fox fire So now this the guy who he allegedly beat up when they're up standing him and itself defense allegedly He's like suing Mark Sanchez, which you understand, and he's suing Fox Ridiculous right so he's losing me there.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's no I mean, I guess that's a lawyer legal tactical bullshit, but there's no need to sue Fox I just [SPEAKER_00]: I cannot wait to hear from Mark Sanchez at some point because what I don't get apparently the whole thing started because the guy was parked somewhere he shouldn't have been parked and like Mark Sanchez is telling the guy to, and I get, I know he was hammered or whatever, but like, and then this report like he doesn't remember any of the incident.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't care how drunk you are.

[SPEAKER_00]: How could you not remember any of that incident where you beat the hell out of this guy if you saw the pictures, and then he gets stabbed and I [SPEAKER_00]: is something, I still think there's a big chunk of that story that needs to come out.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, from a, first of all, it was despicable to see, oh, and those pictures, like that was just, that shook me up, I have to say yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the other thing is, I would assume his career is now over.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he might go to jail.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what's going to happen here.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know all the, you know, we got to see.

[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, it's all ledgerly.

[SPEAKER_03]: We need to know what happens, but I would think at the very least Fox has to move on from a set.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's not going to be calling games anytime soon, nor should he.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I, I, I have never big on you make a mistake.

[SPEAKER_00]: You get fired.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like to sort of like, this is more of a chance.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but that's my issue is, but he doesn't even, like, I would like to know what, well, I, I got to know what he was thinking if there's another side of this story.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because if the story is literally, the guys there to pick up cooking oil and he's parked somewhere, why, and Mark's inches tells him to move his car.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why is Mark's inches even involved?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's something doesn't, there's something still off that doesn't add up to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know, but if you're fucked, you could certainly understand.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you like, right, he's not Tom Brady, a Greg Olson.

[SPEAKER_00]: You could easily say, peace out.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't need you.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's not even if he were these are optics that I don't think you could have from somebody broadcasting to your living room every Sunday afternoon, like it just not right off.

[SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, for Mark Sanchez, like it was prior to this.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was the butt fumble that everybody remembered before.

[SPEAKER_03]: We'll never be able to walk another day on the face of the service.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'll be known for whatever happened at that incident.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, being up a 69 year old guy, she's from saying that's bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's bad.

[SPEAKER_03]: You saw the cut on the guy's face and I did, oh, and the guy stabbed him.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, I just, I need to hear from Mark Sanchez on that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of, I guess you could say violence, although I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to get you take on this.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Arizona Tennessee game with the Cardinals running back, Demer Cado drops the ball before going in the end zone.

[SPEAKER_00]: When it was 21, six would have made it 28, six.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then the coach Jonathan Gannon, like, I don't want to say he punched him.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a little strong, but did you see the video?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I couldn't tell if he hit him or not.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not like, you know, he didn't like, you know, whole off in, you know, he didn't push him in the face.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he didn't, so like when he was like, I think he was more push.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the Cardinals, not the NFL, the Cardinals buying the coach $100,000.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand how you find your coach in that spot.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, man.

[SPEAKER_03]: My initial thought was, wow, I like that a coach is holding.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like that, that is one of the dumbest, most inexcusable things that we've ever seen on a football field and it continues to happen.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like if it were me, I'd say, sorry, get your stuff and get the hell off to see him.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's how bad that is.

[SPEAKER_03]: But that's me in the moment.

[SPEAKER_03]: In reality, I understand that you can't [SPEAKER_03]: that that's not necessarily the right way to do it and you could lose a locker room like that and you certainly can't put your hands on them.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I didn't see if he put his hands on him, but I'm okay with him yelling at him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he, you know, maybe lightly, lightly punch the guy's arm or something or, you know, he lost his mind and he since apologized for it as he probably should have.

[SPEAKER_03]: But you know, it's not, it's not 1980 and he won't.

[SPEAKER_03]: Bobby Knight could be, you know, [SPEAKER_03]: young players are putting his hands on like just it's a different world me you can't be doing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well my thing is this if you're going to find if you're the Cardinals and you're going to find him $100,000 because he got quote unquote physical then you got to find the running back $200,000.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm being serious, he got to, he gets unscathed by all this.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, I would honestly, any player that did that, I would cut them from my team.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what is the excuse for that?

[SPEAKER_03]: Carry the ball across the goal line.

[SPEAKER_03]: When you're in the end zone, do whatever you want.

[SPEAKER_03]: You got to carry it over the goal line.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's usable.

[SPEAKER_00]: I also thought it was, I mean, the NFL finding Jerry Jones $250,000, because he gave someone a finger at the jet game.

[SPEAKER_00]: Really?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, is that is that worse than putting your hands on the player and plus like, you know, people at football games, they're animals, everyone behaves like an animal.

[SPEAKER_00]: Joey Jones given some of the fingers like the least, you know, bad thing someone could do.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's a lot of money.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of money.

[SPEAKER_03]: The finger, I mean, whatever I guess the bad look for an owner to be doing that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder why, right, right, right, right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you remember the fines with Delamar and Hopkins, whatever it was at Lamar went into the stands with that fan in Buffalo.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you go in the stands, and I think the fan did something first.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think Lamar got it.

[SPEAKER_03]: But then he pushed the back or whatever, but did he get one for that?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, but I don't know for sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a fine mom with the coaching thing like you keep your hands on these players Also give me like he runs the risk of now losing the entire locker room with that like we might think it's good to have hard tough coaching like that Because it's an inexcusable dumb play, but the players especially today's day and age They're gonna be like what the hell was that cute?

[SPEAKER_00]: That's all and they as the problem if the players are more upset with the coach than the running back the players are [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[SPEAKER_00]: You ready?

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we got an interesting week here in the NFL for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Giants, excuse me, the Giants play on Thursday night.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Giants play Sunday morning at 9.30.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have a Monday night double header.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Sunday 4.25.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a great game.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: The bucks and the Niners.

[SPEAKER_00]: How are you handling all this?

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm kind of waiting on the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: If there is, do you have it real quick?

[SPEAKER_03]: I thought game one of the Gales, yes, would be Sunday, which I'm assuming would be Sunday night.

[SPEAKER_03]: Chief lines is maybe the most appealing game on the board and that's Sunday night, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Sunday, it, it, it, it, it, it, it.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's no time yet for the ALCS on Sunday.

[SPEAKER_03]: What did it say on that?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is Sunday.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, ALCS game on just look at my calendar.

[SPEAKER_00]: But no time.

[SPEAKER_03]: But that's going to be, it's going to be the evening I would assume.

[SPEAKER_00]: You would think it would be, well, if it's in Seattle, it'll be an eight o'clock start.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: If it's in Toronto in New York, maybe you get a seven o'clock store.

[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

[SPEAKER_03]: I should grab is it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care if it's Toronto.

[SPEAKER_03]: If it's Toronto amount, if it's the Yankees, then I do care and it probably is going to be eight o'clock store.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that the Yankees will take present in Monday night football.

[SPEAKER_03]: Don't care.

[SPEAKER_03]: Falcons bills, commanders, who the commanders point?

[SPEAKER_01]: the bears.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, those are check-in for fantasy purposes only.

[SPEAKER_03]: The Sunday slate is won because I'm going to watch Giants Thursday night.

[SPEAKER_03]: I watched the jets early morning and then I could go pumpkin picking if I want to.

[SPEAKER_03]: The rest of the schedule is kind of weak or I could just go nuts and bet all the other games while I don't have it just decided yet and basing it around what happens with the games.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've mentioned this before on this podcast, I don't know how many people remember I'm short zero, but every single year, once a college football season, I have two of my friends three of my friends over for this college football extravaganza.

[SPEAKER_00]: We've called it.

[SPEAKER_00]: We've done it for like 20 plus year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, where they come over it 11 in the morning.

[SPEAKER_00]: They stayed all two in the morning and we bet every single get almost every game.

[SPEAKER_00]: So my friend Hal made 52 bets on Saturday.

[SPEAKER_00]: 52 bets and House final record was 23, 28, and one.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually not bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he actually said better than last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe actually we can get how to 500, 20, 28 and 1.

[SPEAKER_03]: That is insane.

[SPEAKER_03]: I love that action, but that's actually not a bad record.

[SPEAKER_03]: That many bets to not lose that much.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's all.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you one quick story from Saturday.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hit bet.

[SPEAKER_00]: I saw that, so Ken State, which is like one of the top three worst teams in the country, was playing at Oklahoma Saturday.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ken State's team total was two and a half points.

[SPEAKER_00]: I bet the over how bet the under they didn't score, so that's all you need to know.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you next week, although all about the Yankees, let's see if your reverse drinks works and they, you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, my many, many thanks to Ryan Rucco, my thanks to Salacada, my thanks to you for listening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, that wraps it up for this week.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you next week.

[SPEAKER_00]: Stay safe and take care.