Hey, listener.

Today's episode of Battlestar Galactica deals with some really heavy stuff, including drugs abusive behavior from intimate partners and suicide ish adjacent uh, behavior.

So if any of that's gonna be rough for you today, go ahead and skip this one.

We'll catch you on the next.

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And I'm Laura.

It's a heavy one today.

It's a bit of a downer as we say.

This is like, I have, I've known this episode was coming.

Right.

I didn't know.

I, I, I've, I, I didn't know exactly when it was until we were into season three and I was kind of peeking ahead to see when some stuff is, and I'm all like, the passage.

That's, that's not the one is it?

It

the one

uh,

yeah.

fucking episode.

wanna do a little like lighthearted stuff first before we talk about a downer?

I would love, to do something a little lighthearted before we talk about this fucking downer of an episode.

I did promise in the discord that we were going to be doing an opener directed at listener faith.

faith had brought it to our attention that Hilo is a Paladin Heart degree and one bit from Babylon.

Five that we haven't brought over was character classes.

We did a little bit of that on P five, and I think that'd be fun to bring back over here.

I do too.

So, so we're, we're doing it and I think I'm gonna go, I'm gonna lead us off with what I feel like is the most obvious one we have.

I sure hope it's not the one I came up with.

Okay, go ahead.

Is it that billed DAMA is a Bard?

I didn't put Bill Adama as a bard.

What do you got, do you have, do you also have billed dama?

Because I could see some cross class with him.

I,

I have I think a better Bard.

I'm gonna argue that there is a better Bard than Bill Adama.

I'm not gonna say that your, your argument's bad, but I think I have a better

okay.

I will say that Bard.

If you haven't played d and d, Bard is not necessarily music.

I know, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Or you can do speeches.

Oratory, Bard's a real, and I feel like he's, he's the speech, he's the speechies.

he is very speechy.

Um,

He's very inspiring with his speechy.

that is true.

He, he does give points to inspiration, doesn't he?

Mm-hmm.

to some of our other Speechy characters who do it as an act of persuasion.

And I would argue are rogues.

Hmm.

Well, I was, I was thinking that Mr.

Gaas, Baltar is a bard because he sure has everyone convinced that he's a lot smarter than he actually is.

Just that charisma, just shining through and he's got a whole bunch of people snowed.

he could be.

Bard, he could be a Bard Rogue type.

I feel he's, he's kind of in the middle compared to because he is very skill based as well.

He's very handy.

He's, he, he builds things artificer maybe which is outside of the core purview of d and d classes, admittedly.

Uhhuh.

Okay.

and also they're not the people who are good at lying and shit.

So, Um, you know what might actually be really interesting for Baltar specifically, it's another charisma based class

yeah, sure.

Okay.

Okay.

I could maybe buy into Warlock with like the sciencey shit.

Yeah, so Warlocks very specifically get their powers by making a pact with a higher power.

And in this case, I would argue that his pact is with the silences.

I really like that.

Yeah.

I'm down.

Gais, Baltar can be a warlock.

I'll, I'll take it.

Yeah,

from their patrons sometimes, which could be six pt, like

It's right there.

It's right there.

Yeah.

What else do you got for me?

Um, I would say that Lee is a, I think Lee is either, I think he might be a I'm trying to avoid spoilers for where Lee's character goes.

Give me where Lee is at

Where Lee right now is at, is probably a little more palini, a little more larky maybe.

Um, but definitely like cross classed with fighter.

Yeah.

Um,

Give me some cleric.

I, I'm feeling

yeah, cleric is where I think he ends up to be clear.

Um,

He has kind of like a righteous thing going on, and I'm

that that can be, that's something you get with clerics and Paladins.

They can, they can have that righteous streak.

Um, but it's more about how they go about their problem solving, I would say would be probably the bigger distinguisher between the two, which paladins are a lot more smashy and clerics are a lot more magic, or at the very least, solving the problem.

You know, in uh, different ways.

And I think that that's something that Lee has been growing into over the course of the show.

And I don't think it's too much of a spoiler for me to say he will continue to grow into that.

I think he starts as a fighter.

Like maybe even like the first couple episodes.

Don't, maybe even Barb.

I mean, Carra is barbarian.

Yeah.

Carras Barbarian.

uh,

Is Sa Tai old Barbarian?

Is he retired?

Barbarian?

could be an old barbarian for sure.

He does kind of have old Klingon vibes sometimes.

Yeah.

Um,

Yeah.

True, true.

Not just because the eye patch.

I could see Ty being a retired barbarian.

I could see Ty being a monk uh, because he's very strict on his code and his code matters to like, this is like really a three five E monk more than like a modern monk uh, where they're very strict on their, their code.

Um,

okay.

Okay.

And also like, you know, he beat a dude with a pipe that's an improvised weapon.

Fair?

Yeah.

He, he uses flurry of blows, but it's just to take drinks.

Um, and also drunken master is a monk subclass.

So,

Yeah.

Okay, I'll take it.

He started a barbarian and he, he like worked his way

to monk.

Okay.

I believe that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Can we class?

And he silenced, like, are, are any cylons anything?

A six?

A cleric.

Tiana's.

A cleric.

Yeah.

She's, she's a bit religious.

Right?

Is is six Maybe a sorcerer sorcerer.

I could see six being a sorcerer.

I'd buy that.

Um, compared to Simon, who's more of a wizard, I,

Okay.

Doral.

Doral.

might be just a fighter.

Dole's bland,

Mm-hmm.

dole's bland on purpose.

Um,

Yeah.

I would say that our Sharons are rogues.

Yeah.

Okay.

That feels right

I can, I can get down with that.

Sure.

maybe even like some spell casty rogues.

They do some shit.

Um, oh, caval, caval,

or Leo as well, like,

uh, me being so careful to not say something I shouldn't.

Um, so Caval, I don't know, motherfucker's not a class.

Um,

Is he a different kind of monk?

Cavel.

Cavel might be a ranger.

Hmm

When I think Cavel, I'm thinking like a Spycraft tactician, I'm thinking a like three, five scout almost.

Um, where instead of having favored enemies, you have favored terrain.

And it's all about like being the master of your surroundings and kind of making things happen in certain ways around you.

That's not really a thing that Five does.

Like current d and d really has a character that kind of fills that slot particularly well.

You could do it with like Aroy character, you could do it with a Rangey character.

no one's got like an Animal Companion or anything, which is a big part of Current Rogue or current Ranger.

Um, so I don't like, I'm definitely thinking older versions of classes in different versions of similar classes.

Different systems for him are a lot better fit.

Yeah.

I

I think if one of our CYS has an animal companion, it's a weasel, right?

it bin has a weasel.

You can't tell me actually.

Correction bin has ferrets

Yeah.

a hundred percent.

Yep.

Definitely.

Now are they silent ferrets or have, do they just have like a planet of the ferrets that they go to freely opens?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Lee Bins are the caretakers of the planet, of the

yeah, like they, they took a bunch of ferrets with them you know, when they pieced and arm day populated a perfect planet for ferrets.

And then the Leos, that's what they're doing most of the time.

That's why we never see Leos around is 'cause they're just all on the planet of the ferrets.

They're, they're all either torturing Carra or on planet of the ferrets doing ferret shit.

Yeah.

yeah, I don't know.

I feel like there's a couple other main characters that we probably didn't cover.

Yeah.

There is.

Do you, do you wanna do it now or you wanna save it for another

I mean,

Did you have one burning in your

no, I just wanted to call Bill Adamo a Bard.

Um, Rosalyn I feel is a rogue,

Oh,

she's a well-intentioned rogue, but a rogue, nevertheless.

Yeah, she's scrappy.

I was trying to figure out, I was like, is she like, I mean, she doesn't have like sciencey powers or anything, so I can't really call her a wizard.

She's kind, she really gets

a wizard.

She's a bureaucracy wizard.

Oh yes, Tori, a hundred percent bureaucracy

Also Tyro Wizard.

A hundred percent a

Yeah, he's Machine

yeah, actually an Artificer if we count Artificers.

But if we don't count Artificers, he's a wizard who makes like the equivalent of Golum and stuff.

There's like a whole type of wizard that's like specializes in making shit.

Yeah,

One of

I can buy that.

Yeah.

Very good.

Very good.

I think we've, we've gotten through.

The main ones.

And if, if we missed one listener that you really want to

Oh wait, actually anyone we didn't mention that you have strong feelings about, we knew and we didn't mention it.

Since you could get in the Discord and tell us your opinion 'cause that's how much we respect you all

Exactly.

Come to the Discord.

Tell us about it.

Please buy that.

Um,

We didn't hit the character, the character of the episode.

Should we, should we honor the character of the

give poor one out for cat real quick.

poor one out for Kat and select Kat's class?

she's also a barbarian, that's why her and Karen don't get along.

She's the shorter scrappier.

Barbarian.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, I like that.

But there can be only one barbarian.

So here we are.

All right.

Well, with all that said, let's get into this episode.

We've got Battlestar Galactica, season three, episode 10, the Passage.

I don't know why I put so much stank on that passage there,

It was good though.

I liked it.

I liked it more than I liked this episode.

fair.

Oh boy.

Um, our, like, previously on as stuff about cat's addiction and then her whole beef with Starbuck.

all very important.

Adama wants tieback on the, in, CIC almost said on the bridge.

And Baltar wants to know about those final five plus the hybrids.

And then Deanna wants purgatory, question mark.

I don't know.

But in the, in the moment, we've got some serious food problems.

we open in media starvation as Coddle Adama Hilo, and Roslyn ke us up.

The food supply is tainted and we cut to Athena, who is out looking for a passage through a nebula to the planet of algae.

Yeah.

Lots of algae here that we can turn into food.

I guess.

You know, I, I didn't occur to me till you were just saying it, but like, I'm pretty sure the food tainted is like just totally glossed over some sort of equipment malfunction.

Right?

Yeah.

But what if we, what if it's not?

I mean, that's always a question to ask on Battlestar Galactica.

They famously have a plan.

The concepts of a plan as someone shared recently in the Discord.

That was so good.

It was very good.

I was like, yeah, somebody did a good job with that

Yeah.

Very funny.

That would be a fun call back later if it ever comes up again.

But I, I don't know that it will, it was so glossed over.

So the pilots are anxious as they split a cliff bar and we see Sharon is having a tough time with radiation.

And it's not just like two pilots sharing a cliff bar.

It's like six pilots splitting a cliff

They're real high density.

They're high caloric value.

Yeah.

But still, like presumably one bar is one bar for a reason, like.

Yeah.

So real edgy around the fleet,

everyone's quite uh, there's some accusations of like hoarding snacks and stuff.

Uhhuh?

Never pretty, when it gets to accusing people of hoarding snacks,

Nope,

never, never want to be involved in that.

nope.

I'm having a little trouble with the premise right away in this episode because we're saying that we gotta get through this nebula or

Mm-hmm.

and it's got bad radiation, but Sharon's the one who can take it.

And I'm like, but wait.

At the very beginning of all this, we had some stuff hidden in a nebulizer because it would, cylons couldn't go in the, the radiation nebulizer.

I mean, there's a lot of types of radiation.

Yeah, I guess.

I

This one silencer resistant to how convenient for the plot.

yes.

But I was like, wait a second, you can't fool me.

That opin was like falling apart.

Yeah, it's very convenient for the plot, but not so convenient for the plot that Sharon can do all of the work and just bring all of the ships herself.

Right, right.

well, and we've got the time pressure too, like for Sharon to take all of the ships herself.

Maybe she could do it with enough time.

Right.

But we don't have that time 'cause everybody's gonna starve,

Yeah.

Gotta do it quick, even though jumping is instantaneous.

Mm-hmm.

All right.

We go to theme survivor Count 40 1004 20.

Nice.

We have two unseen deaths.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

dunno.

And then we cut over to the endless piano looping cylon bass star as

Deanna's still doing it.

Sci-fi iss most destructive throuple wonders where their third goes when they're not having sex with them.

Yeah.

Deanna's up to, to things

Yep.

with air quotes.

Don't, don't know.

Yeah my

please tell me the throuple is not forever.

don't have to worry about that.

Um, my notes here say, guys, Baltar has the object permanence of a puppy.

She's gone.

I don't care where she went.

Yeah.

Uh, Athena makes back to Galactica, but Yikes.

Yeah.

They like drag her out of the ship Right.

And have to scrub Her down.

Yeah.

But she's found the algae.

Mm-hmm.

We can slap that stuff into the machines and get rolling.

Get food in a couple of hours or something.

Indeterminate amount of time.

Yeah.

Like I'm not convinced it's gonna solve everything right away, but we can at least get the food going.

You're gonna have to remind me because I don't think I fully understood what Adama proposes here and what they wind up doing.

So they.

Try to plan through how they could possibly get the fleet there.

The nebula is too big around to go around despite jumping, not being a matter of distance.

Right.

but they can't jump straight to the planet because that's also too far.

I guess it'd take too long to do the math cause that's the only thing that stops them from jumping far.

Right.

Okay.

Yeah.

Or maybe, I mean, they clearly can jump into and out of the nebula, so it can't be that the nebula itself prevents jumping because they have to jump into the nebula as part of the plot.

This really is a case of like really stretching the marshmallow of disbelief here around their own conceits for the sake of drama in the episode, which is the point of sci-fi.

You know, but it just seems like they had to work so hard to make this episode happen and then for it to be just such a fucking bummer, it's all like, couldn't you have just not done all that guys?

Wouldn't we all be better if we didn't have that?

For real.

Yeah.

So they like are, are the raptors like

Yeah.

to the civilian ships and doing the jump calculation for them or sending them the jump calculation?

Okay.

Yeah.

They're calculating the jump for them.

Because they're, they, they will know where they are when they jump because their dus is shielded against nuclear blasts, which most dus is not.

So when a civilian chimp jumps in, they have no idea to know where they are.

They have no way of knowing where they are, where they are.

'cause they can't detect anything because none of their stuff is meant to work in uh, this type of radiation

Right.

and the military stuff, because it's similar enough radiation to a nuclear blast does work.

Will work.

Okay.

And for some reason in this process, they have to have visual on the ship

You.

Yes,

that they're guiding.

It can't, we can't just blast out the coordinates and hope you get them

well, that's how you jump into other ships because where your start point and your end point matter for your jump.

So you have to know where they physically are to give them the like, 'cause you don't just say

the right thing.

do this, it matters the space that you start in and the place that you're going to.

So if you have that off a little bit, then you can't jump, or at the very least, you can't jump in a way where you're not going to jump into something else.

Possibly.

Yeah.

Okay.

I buy that.

we've seen, we've like, 'cause there've been plot points where they get the, the jump math just a little wrong and end up very far away.

Yeah.

Or we jump into the mountain like we did at Caprica when we went back for, for the Anders Rescue.

Yeah.

So it's, it's iffy.

Okay.

so they're gonna do this, the, they pair a raptor with a civilian ship, and they can take the entire flotilla in five runs.

This way.

They're gonna load most of the people on the ships onto Galactica because their radiation does nothing inside of Galactica.

They're all fine, Because it's shielded, and then they're gonna give rat away to everyone in the civilian ship who's still piloting it, who's on there, so that, that way they can survive the radiation bit and get out of there.

Okay, so I was wondering at the end of this episode, like what's loss of ship's, loss of life gonna look like?

Because I don't think they tell us at the end of this episode, but yeah.

Loss of life might be smaller than I anticipated because of the loads onto Galactica.

If you've not started the next episode.

I haven't

Okay.

'Cause I already looked at the math.

Let me find it here.

18 deaths this episode.

Oh, not nearly what I thought.

But we have two ships correct.

That

Yeah.

We, yeah, we, we lose the Adriatic and the Corina and the Adriatic is a weird one to lose.

Right.

Is the Adriatic the one or is the Corina the one,

I don't know if they told us much about either ship.

one of them is a old, yeah, it's the Adriatic is a defender type.

It's a ship that was like a retired military ship.

Oh.

So you'd

But we didn't try to bring it back

fine.

Yeah.

I guess it's old enough we didn't have the right shielding.

Or maybe maybe the shielding was taken off when it was

Yeah, they don't have way to get all that stuff back up and running.

yeah, it is the only known civilian vessel to be armed.

Oh yeah.

anyways we will get to all of that in a while.

So Lee and Starbucks tell the pilots to watch their exposure.

They've, we see the little black pieces of paper, the white piece of paper that slowly turn black as they take so much radiation exposure.

That's our, like ticking clock, and they're like, pilots, you are responsible for your own cancer, so don't do it.

It's like it's on you to make sure you don't take too much radiation.

It's just like that doesn't seem like a good idea.

It kind of seems like there should be a system where we check in with somebody, we have to show dot coddle our badge.

We have to buddy system it like

We're gonna look at it when you get off the ship maybe and go you, you're too close.

Mm-hmm.

Like what is doc Coddle there for if he's not like, got a checklist and marking the state of everybody's badge?

I think coddle of everyone is probably giving rightaway to the civilian pilots and stuff and probably making sure that they're okay right after.

But where the fuck's the CAG

Mm-hmm.

doing this.

This is Lee's job.

good point.

He should have the clipboard

Very much so.

or Ty, come on.

Like he's not doing a ton.

I mean Okay.

We get, we get his triumphant return in this episode, but still, like clipboard is a great job to give to somebody who's just like coming back from medical leave.

Right.

What's Helo, I mean, if, if Ty's back, what's Helo doing?

Put him down

Well, wasn't, wasn't Helo piloting or am I making that

No, he helo is piloting on this mission.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah, I, I'm thinking maybe somebody who's piloting on this mission not right for that job.

Exactly.

Fucking Athena doesn't pilot on this mission because she got too much radiation exposure.

Great person for this job.

oh, I didn't realize that she wasn't piloting anymore, but I guess you're

Yeah.

She got fucked up,

Okay.

And we couldn't clean her up in time.

Right.

So she's like, oh, she'll, she'll, she will be fine, but that doesn't mean that she's like, okay, right now.

Where's that magic blurred right now?

That magic blurred should be like cleaning

Yeah.

Can they not magic blurred fucking uh, cat at the end of this episode, it works for Kirk.

That's all I'm saying,

mm-hmm.

It definitely already worked on someone's cancer,

right?

and we've been told she's still got the, the fetal cells in there.

So like.

Huh?

Anyways they offer stems and cats are like, that's a bad idea.

That's my one character point.

This episode,

Yeah.

uh, I'm gonna make you remember that I had a stems thing, and that's the only time it comes up the entire episode.

I mean, we find out other stuff about cat and drugs, but.

Yeah.

particular story beat.

I mean, I guess I can see Kat like not wanting to open up the door to possibly go back down that road.

Yeah.

She doesn't wanna have to go on a walkabout.

right.

But it also seems like others who don't have that problem yet and really like don't have a choice like.

Yeah, they are probably gonna have to do it, but I could see maybe making it her like personal refusal of like, I'm not gonna do that again.

Like, but she's just like, no, it's a bad idea for everyone.

It's like, I'm sorry man.

I don't see what other options you guys have.

Speaking of not having other options, when there's a bunch of civilians on the ship Kat's Ex is among them and we find out her name is Sasha,

Yes.

which.

Okay.

This guy has either bad nineties hair, a meth problem, or both.

I'm gonna go with both.

I'm

Yeah.

He's got Hollywood teeth, not meth teeth, but still, maybe

Yeah.

So I don't know if we got the guy's name yet, but he sucks.

Um,

name is like.

Exos or something.

I don't know.

It was dumb and I didn't write it down.

and he's just the grossest and yeah, she says this whole, we're all through I, I, I don't know.

I don't know how I feel about this.

Well, he's clearly a piece of shit.

No, no, he's, he's a piece of shit.

Um, so theoretically we find out that like he was running drugs with her.

Yes.

They were like on a ship together.

So presumably they were on the ship together when the Cys attacked and were running and were running together.

And I don't know, it's just like, I was like, man, it seems kind of unlikely that,

There's been a ship of drugs this whole time and Baltar didn't get his nose in it.

well, there's that, but no, they probably sold it.

He, the, the skeezy dude probably sold it on the black market right away.

Right.

but he doesn't have control of the ship anymore.

He's somehow like through all, everything still sticking around.

Like he, he didn't get lost on new Caprica or

Mm-hmm.

I don't know.

It was just weird.

It was weird that we had literally no inkling up until this point of Kat's past,

Yeah.

I guess when she did the thing when she was all high on stems.

And we had our day in the life episode, our Deanna, reporting episode, and she was like mooning the camera and saying, hi, mom.

I don't think her mom was really in the fleet then.

Right?

Her mom's gone.

Yeah, for sure.

Oh, Everything about this episode just kind of sucks.

Yeah.

let's go to the Bay Star for a minute

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Baltar confronts Deanna, who's like, I was with a Simon and as she says this, a Deanna and a Simon walk past them in the background talking.

I don't know if you caught that.

That's very good.

Yeah.

I mean, it's, it's someone in a Lucy Lawless wig.

Simon walking, but it's so good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And Balter iss like, oh, well, maybe I'll just go ask every Simon on the ship, find out who you were talking to.

Right?

He notices dried resurrection, goo in her hair,

yeah.

So Baltar is accusing her of being addicted to resurrection.

Yeah.

Just killing herself.

Uhhuh weird because Cavel said it was super unpleasant.

Yes.

Well, she's like getting the little visiony things right, the in between the life and the death.

Mm-hmm.

that's her vibe.

Yeah.

Cavel wasn't into it.

He was finding it unpleasant and she's very into it.

Yes.

Too into it for sure.

Yeah.

Uh, Weirdly into it.

Have we seen her having a vision yet in this episode?

I don't think

gets one.

I think there was a whole bunch of stuff that happened in one of Deanna's visions, and I don't remember if it was this episode or the previous, but I was like, I don't understand any of this.

It was last episode and you don't yet.

That's fine.

Yeah, I was gonna say, do you understand any of it?

Um, I understand the bits that I'm supposed to understand,

Okay.

Interesting.

what's, what it's leading to.

Okay.

You know,

I wondered if it was just random stuff or if it was actually like planned.

it's, this is planned.

Okay, cool.

The, the payoff for this is within this season of the show.

Oh good.

this is like, actually

of mad if I had to wait.

this is actually planned, planned.

This isn't like we made something work with stuff that we did forever ago, planned.

This is like actually planned.

Planned.

Okay, good.

I look forward to that.

The creepy ex runs into cat again.

You can just run into anybody on Galactica, like

Oh God.

He calls her baby and my skin crawled.

He sucks.

I hate him.

I hate him too.

Fuck this

I would, I would like to know that he like dies of fiery death.

That would be fun, but

He's piloting one of the ships that gets blown up.

Yeah.

Hey, this fucker is like, I guess maybe he's not a pilot.

Well, I don't know.

He could have been not a pilot and just running drugs with Kat and she's a pilot, but I was like, how has this guy not been drafted into something?

Well, Kat was a space trucker specifically,

right.

which is like, I don't wanna take anything away from any trucker because y'all do God's work.

Logistics is a fucking nightmare.

But like going from being a trucker to being a race car driver are very different things.

Like military race, car driver too, like, yeah.

Flying a 7 47 full of packages is not the same as flying a fighter jet.

mm-hmm.

For sure.

You know, but they make it work.

That's, I think that's kind of the point though, because she's part of the group of pilots that they bring in that are just like, these are the only people with any flight experience.

Yeah.

But now uh, Mr.

Drug runner is gonna blackmail cat for food.

That's his thought.

I'm gonna tell everybody what we were up to, what you were up to, unless you feed

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Total, getting that three square a day in the military, not knowing that they're starving even more than everyone else.

Yeah.

And it's literally a square.

It's like, like, you know, one cm by one cm square.

But we're gonna have a lighter moment, I guess, here

Yeah.

as, uh.

we see Adama like catch on the closed circuit television that Ty is like trying to walk through the door to CI see.

His badge doesn't work anymore.

He's just like trying to psyche himself up.

When he finally makes it through the door, gada stares.

Um, and there's, you know, there's people applauding, uh, except not Gada.

And not Adama, but Adama's is more like, this is just a regular day, guys.

We're just having a

Yeah.

You're just a regular guy.

You are a regular guy.

Yeah.

Gita's not

Nope.

Nope.

Gita's not into it.

Wonder why?

Yeah.

Oh, I know

Well, yeah, yeah, I know you.

Well, no, I, I know why, because Gada didn't get to throw his tags in and call for Saul.

Ty.

To punch it, do punches, because that would've been wrong.

We've discussed like, we cannot do that to the man with no peripherals on one side,

yeah, yeah.

His peripherals real rough,

yeah, they didn't get to punch their business out,

Yeah.

Yeah.

so Oh,

Mm-hmm.

And this is when the mission to navigate the passage begins.

Like, I'm not gonna tell people how to do their fucking jobs, right?

I'm not that guy.

sure.

when they first jump in to this fucking passage of space, everyone in these raptors is completely blindsided by how bright and terrible and loud and miserable it is.

Uhhuh.

You should just load it up a raptor with fucking everyone jumped out there for just 30 seconds and then jumped back

Yeah.

Let them see exactly what

just like.

this is what it's gonna be like.

You're in for a fucking trip.

It's better to experience this firsthand, rather than me to explain it to you.

'cause that way when you go back in 20 minutes with a ship on your own, you'll at the very least be a little adjusted, or at the very least be able to mentally prepare for what you're about to experience.

yeah, yeah.

Especially because on this jump, when everyone is disoriented, we can't see shit.

Everything is totally new to us.

We, this is where we lose the Adriatic here in the first jump.

hot dog.

Can't find the Adriatic.

Everyone else is there, but he can't find his, he, he begs for more time, but they're like, no time must

Must go.

And they all jump out with hot dog last, but he's like swearing the whole time.

Because he really wanted to find those people.

But Adriatic gone and then we cut to trip four.

Yep.

Yeah, we'd jump ahead quite a bit here.

We see Kat is looking for the carina.

The ship is lost and the radiation is getting to the pilots.

When they all get out, we see hotdog just vomit.

Yeah.

Hot dog.

Just barfs cat's devastated Lee is being carried out of his cockpit.

Like they all look ghastly amounts of fucked up.

Okay.

yeah, they need rest, but they don't actually have the time to do that.

Nope.

Bill and t talk about the civilians who had resorted to eating paper, but now there's a paper shortage.

This is obviously a joke.

Okay.

I was like, I, I think this is a joke based on like how hysterically they giggle about it.

Yeah.

I can't help but think though, if they had kept the corners on that they would've had more to eat,

Yeah.

that's what they were eating.

Maybe they were eating the corners.

I.

Yeah.

Maybe when the paper comes out we're, we have the, what do you call those things?

The big old paper slicey thing, you know, you've seen it in like elementary school when the teachers had to cut the construction paper.

There's somebody who just has to do, take the slicey thing and cut all the corners off, and then you can send the corners out to be eaten.

But they also tell us that there, there's like a hundred Marines that are too weak to work.

yeah.

Um, I guess that they're too weak from hunger or are they too weak from the radiation?

Because I thought galactic is shielded.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, galactic is making a lot more trips than everyone else, so I don't know how much shielding they actually have.

They don't appear to be particularly sick.

But if the Marines are operating in the outer edges of the ship, monitoring civilians where people might not normally be, you might have a lot of people in places that you don't normally keep people, and they might not be as well shielded.

Also, they could just be like tired from working so long and also being hungry, like they can't work because they are weak from hunger and, and tired from trying to watch all these civilians all the time.

I could see it being a couple of things.

and then the civilians are like, not necessarily like the most.

Cooperative group 'cause they're hungry and they're unrest at everyone.

So Yeah, it sucks.

Super sucks.

Oh, the guy's name is Enzo.

I apparently wrote it down at this point.

Yeah.

'cause Starbucks sees Cat chewing out.

Enzo.

Why is he still on the ship?

Um,

here?

that's

He shouldn't still be here.

Right?

Because he was loaded in in the first set of civilians.

Shouldn't they have all been loaded out?

He's probably just hiding somewhere and you can't teach that.

So Starbucks sees Enzo Lurkin and yelling at Kat.

And then when we cut back over to more endless piano looping, as Deanna reveals to Gais, she sees visions of the Final Five during her resurrection, which is a mystery both to the humans and the other silences.

So no one fucking knows, apparently.

And he's really hoping to be among them, right?

He's really hoping that he wins the, the Final Five Lottery here.

Wins is a very loose term because it means, at the very least, that he's not a dirty fucking traitor.

And, and Gaas can't see, like I am, I'm still, Gais is not in my Final Five.

Like I do not think

Do you have one?

Do you have one off the top of your head?

You could

Oh no, not really,

because we're halfway through the season, so I was gonna ask at the end of the episode.

Well, let's save it then, but I Gaia ain't in it because I still can't get past the, like, why would we need a six to manipulate him to give up the damn codes then like,

Well, if the silence don't know, he is also a silent

oh, but, mm, it's just so convoluted.

welcome to Battlestar Galactica.

I, I don't, I like, I, I think I've said it, that if Gais Baltar turns out to be a salon, I'm gonna throw something at the fucking tv.

I'm still, still on that.

Um, yeah, he just, he really wants to be one though, because that would make his, like moral problems go away.

Yeah.

It makes him a decent silent because he's a terrible human.

And when he asks, if she sees his face, she can't remember.

And if I, if I'm remembering the episode correctly, she's kind of like, eh, she kind of dazed at this point,

Yeah.

or there's confusion.

But they're all just trying to find out who they are.

Like she wants to know why does she wanna know these Final five?

Why does this, why does she need this?

I don't know.

I mean, I don't know if she needs it so much as it's something to fucking do.

It seems kind of bored ale hands.

Uhhuh, and she's not finding the resurrection unpleasant, I don't think she's like addicted to it, just because of wanting to see the Final Five.

Like, I don't think

We will find out more about this stuff soon-ish.

In the season.

Okay.

This, this, this plot will wrap by the season finale.

Okay, That, that's good.

I, I can only handle so many like,

The, yeah.

No, you'll, no.

The Deanna plot will wrap by the end of the season.

The, the, the stuff with the resurrection thing that will, all, that will be done well.

At the very least, it will be resolved.

I don't want to say done, necessarily.

Yeah.

is other implications.

Right.

That's a bridge too far.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Starbucks confronts Enzo and then Kat, and this is where we find out she was a trucker who was involved in human trafficking in addition to running drugs before the diaspora.

Carrie is concerned with her possible complicitness in bringing silos to the core worlds and not in the fact that she was doing human trafficking.

Right.

now it sounds like it was mostly like pe giving people rides and smuggling people more than people who wanted to be smuggled,

Yeah.

of the way it sounds.

Not necessarily

definitely not like a slavery connotation that they

does.

Yeah.

On a scale of Zero to Epstein, we're a lot Closer to zero is the vibe, but it's still human trafficking and that's why it's illegal.

In a lot of reasons is because of it enables things like that.

So I'm super this gross cat, but, uh

it, it's gross Kat, and she knows, like she knows her past is a bit shameful.

I do feel a little bit like Starbuck is leaping to conclusions and being, being very unfair of like, you, you let the silence

she's being a terrible the cat because she's always terrible the cat.

Yeah.

Yes.

Like I'm like, no, come on.

Like there's those colonies were fucking huge.

It wasn't cat that brought the Cys in for God's sake.

Like, fuck off.

This is just disgusting behavior from Starbucks.

yeah.

Well, she has to hurt somebody.

that's that's been her mo she said that, and she's held to that.

She has to hurt somebody.

She tried lashing out at Anders.

That didn't work out well.

She tried lashing out at Lee.

That didn't work out well.

So now she's lashing out at

Yeah, an easier target.

And I'm so mad at this episode.

You should be Kat asked Starbuck to let her explain herself to the dad role rather than find out any other way.

Yeah, yeah.

She's like, let me tell Papa Dama and let's just get through like this last thing.

Like we gotta get through this thing.

'cause otherwise, since people aren't eating, people are dying.

but Starbucks is so fucking petty.

I just hate it.

I hate it so much.

She's, she's, she's not being a good, I mean, she has not been a good person since New Caprica.

Yep.

She had like a minute there where she was trying, like when she goes to see Casey and has her moment.

But

You thought she was gonna pick herself up from that point, but no.

Ty has picked himself up quicker than Kara.

yeah, it's wild.

You really thought, and at the end of that episode you're like, okay, care's making, she's making a turn, she's gonna work some stuff out.

Don't know what the fuck's gonna happen to Ty.

And here at this point I'm like, man, boy.

Okay,

Yep.

That's where we be

well let's go back to the Bay Star.

back on the Bay Star.

Guy fucks with the hybrid.

Solves its riddle.

They have to go to the eye of Jupiter,

Huh?

Yeah.

This

something with the five.

Ooh.

this is all weird.

He

The name of the next episode is The Eye of Jupiter, so,

Yeah.

Yes.

Baltar like, touches the hybrid and she immediately like grabs him and says, intelligence.

And I'm like, no, honey, you got that one wrong.

Yeah.

And from this like cryptic, find the hand that lies in the shadow of the light.

In the eye of the husband.

In the eye of the cow.

It's, I'm with Deanna.

That's fucking nonsense.

But somehow he gets something out of it.

A literal place to go.

Hara somehow is like a cow, gentle, like a cow or something.

And then Jupiter was her husband and we're looking for the eye of Jupiter.

I don't know, I was not satisfied with any of this interaction.

Yeah, it's like freaky.

So, you know, like they do the thing where they flash a bunch of stuff before it happens

Mm-hmm.

in the show.

This is the verbal equivalent of that for like the next five episodes.

Okay.

Maybe it will be more satisfying as we go through the episodes.

It won't be, uh, but the very least some of this nonsense will make sense.

okay.

It's the very least, a little bit more sense.

Yeah, it's, it wasn't satisfying.

I'm, I'm.

Maybe it's drawing out too long.

I'm not very satisfied with guy's time on the Bass Star.

Yeah.

Um, a

Maybe I am just biased by how much I fucking hate this guy.

against gaas?

Yeah.

I have a gaas bias

A gaas bias?

that feels like a title.

Yeah.

Probably,

Okay, so we go back, Kat is sweating.

pulling her hair out from the radiation exposure.

And we see she's hidden her pitch black exposure plate.

Yeah.

Did she make out with Enzo?

She totally hooks up with her ex, as she switches out her overexposed plate for one that will keep her flying.

So this is, this is her deciding that she's going to die

mm-hmm.

uh, the, just having a little bit of fun on her way out, eh, uh, yeah.

It's, it's not great feels, uh, but it is heroic sacrifice.

So there's some parallels here, between what Deanna is doing and what Kat is about to do.

Really?

Well, it's just killing yourself.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

I see what you're saying.

I was like, Deanna's, heroically sacrificing herself in her resurrections.

Okay.

No, she's just literally killing herself.

Yeah.

Yeah.

she's literally killing herself.

And, and I, I don't know if it's because.

It's 11:00 PM and I drank a Chao meal tea and it was a long day.

Or if it's because this episode is just so blah, or if maybe there's, I didn't get it.

Maybe like, maybe it's better than I'm able to handle or perceive as a person.

I don't know, but it just felt like it was not great.

I could have done without the, like, hooking up with the ex, the very, very toxic, very abusive ex.

Like we didn't need to do that before.

Our self-sacrifice,

yeah,

but I guess like they are in a situation where there's like, I can't just go eat a piece of chocolate cake that's not around.

and if I'm not a religious person, which I don't think we've seen that from Cat, like what are you gonna do?

I mean, her options are what?

Like Enzo and hotdog,

And hotdog just threw up everywhere.

You're not,

right?

yeah, that's,

yeah.

No.

And did, doesn't she steal the badge from Hilo?

Doesn't she switch out Hilos badge?

Oh, I didn't

I think so.

I think I saw like the locker name or something.

huh?

Yeah.

So I don't know.

Hilo theoretically then didn't go because he, he's a good Jimbo and probably looked at his badge and went, Oh, nope, can't go.

Oh, probably went, oh fuck.

I, I think he would rule abide though and not go, and so maybe, maybe at this point Sharon's well enough to take over for him or something, but yeah.

But it's trip five and the farine is missing.

Kat can't find it.

Galactica is having a rough time with the exposure.

Uh, Finally breaking through the shielding and stuff.

We see Galactica is having a really rough go and so they jump, they tell everyone else to jump and Kat doesn't jump as she's trying to find the last

Mm-hmm.

She eventually finds them and they jump back.

But we get like two minutes in CIC where they're just like looking at a DRE screen.

Ty is like praying.

He's like, actual facts praying.

Yeah.

I, I, it's very tense.

This part is pretty good.

I do like this.

yeah, Kat lands for Raptor.

There's radiation burns all over her ship and her suit.

Her stolen badge is now black.

Like

her stolen.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's like it's bad.

Double black badge.

yeah.

There are like applauding 'cause she saved that ship, but then she just fucking collapses.

Like rolls off the wing of the ship.

Very sad.

And we cut to Starbuck visiting her in the medical bay.

Mm-hmm.

She's so fucking bad at stuff.

She, she's like, I didn't mean those things.

I said, I'm sorry.

I'm not proud of it.

And it's like, it

Oh, she does not say sorry.

yeah.

She says she might have gone a little too

Yeah.

Right.

She, she's not proud of it.

She's not sorry though.

And, uh, no.

And she gives her enough sleeping pills.

Yeah.

Even though she's like.

Dying right now, and maybe that should be in the purview of Doc Coddle.

I, yeah.

Like

Where'd you get them?

Sleeping pills.

Sps?

I just, we, they literally, there's a whole plot point about them having, killing someone who's dying with morphine, like ODing someone on morphine.

'cause it's more pleasant than what they're going through.

That happens in this show.

Well, morpho, right?

Yeah.

It's like this stuff hypothetically exists.

There are better options.

Like if you're gonna spring for drugs for this spring for the good drugs,

yeah.

don't, don't, don't spring for the drugs and don't do this, but fucking ugh.

Yeah.

I, I just was like, Starbucks.

This feels like your attempt at like, oh, well maybe I can.

Make my horrible mistake better now, the horrible things I said to you,

Eh,

I don't, I don't like it.

I'm pretty mad.

yeah, you should be.

Uh, She leaves and Papa DAMA comes in to promote, cat to CAG again, saying that she earned it through courage.

She goes to tell the dona the truth of her past, and he's just not like, I don't fucking care about any of this stuff.

Don't tell me anything.

None of that matters.

I know everything I need to know about the person that you are.

Yeah.

You've clearly demonstrated the person that you actually are, even if that's not the person that you

Yeah.

I don't need to know anymore about you.

I know enough to know that you are my keg and you are amazing.

Yeah.

And uh, he, I guess, is gonna stay with her the whole time.

She asks if he'll stay and

He's not going anywhere.

He pulls up a

Yeah.

He starts telling her about when his first son, Zach was the older, right?

Is Zach older?

Yeah.

Yeah.

One of the

I thought Zach was,

of the sons is born.

younger.

but Zach was born in a medical bay like this.

So I'm gonna tell you about that happy

yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Talked about wanting to have a daughter.

mm-hmm.

Uh, We see the pilots mourn as they like put her name in the, the CAG spot

Mm-hmm.

It's Starbuck.

Who does it?

Starbuck puts her on there.

Yeah.

And Starbucks puts her picture on the wall of the lost and we see Lee

Oh yeah, that's, that's the wall.

Okay.

That's what I was talking about.

My notes said star uh, spec adds cat to the wall, but I don't know if she adds her to the CAG or not, but

So I think Lee changes the CAG around, But

But Lee does watch Starbeck put her on the, the well of the lost.

Yeah.

and that's the episode.

the episode.

We did

Yep.

Do we have to rate it now?

I mean, we don't, we famously don't have to rate the episode one.

It's our podcast.

We could do what the fuck we want, but, but two, we do have a whole rating set aside for when we don't wanna rate the

Yeah.

I just feel like last season when I did my fuck this episode that I regretted it later because there was more, fuck this,

There's gonna be, there's some shit that goes down

there's gonna be some fuck this shit because this is only episode 10 and we go to like

there's,

24.

me, let me, tell you right now,

Mm-hmm.

knowing your feelings about certain characters.

Save your fuck this episode.

I, I, I feel like this is too early.

I can't, it's, yeah.

I won't make that

I mean, you can, you could, you could, you could.

It's you're not limited to one a season or something.

You do it as much as you fucking want.

Every episode is, fuck this episode.

Fuck it.

I'm just very mad at this episode and I'm very mad at Starbucks.

Like, what the fuck?

Star bes.

So it's like, a little bit of me is like, fuck this episode, because it's making me feel things that I don't want to feel, which is what I usually like to use my fuck this episode for.

It doesn't mean it's a bad episode, it means that it made me feel bad.

And I don't like that from my entertainment.

Sometimes.

Uh,

Right.

sometimes I like to watch things to feel good, and that's not going to be Battlestar Galactica

Yeah.

Um, and it's like, eh.

It's just like, I don't know, like I also just feel like the plot was very shoehorned.

Um, I feel like Kat died because they realized they had like three episodes where they didn't kill anybody.

Anybody important?

they're like, you know, it's like no one's died no minute.

No one, no one's importance's died since New Capric ish.

Even then.

Like, did anyone important?

I mean, Ellen is the only important person who died this season.

And so it's just like, oh, we gotta up that mortality rate a little bit is what this feels like to me.

And we're gonna come up with this very convoluted way to make Kat self-sacrifice and redeem herself from the shit that we're going to introduce.

She needs to redeem herself from this episode.

I, I feel

And I

could have been set up a little more.

if there was a whole subplot with Kat having assorted past and Enzo showing up two episodes ago, even if only for like.

Five, like just a brief scene, five words or something, just to establish that this is something that was happening in the

Yeah, he starts blackmailing her for other things, and then in this episode it escalates to like, I'm in your face and Yeah,

So for those reasons, I'm gonna give this a five out of 12.

Four, we'll say four.

I don't know.

I know that there's worse episodes this season coming up, but I really just did not like this one from a plot structure standpoint.

Yeah.

It's plot structure, not my favorite.

And I don't know, I just feel like Kat is one of the few.

Side, like not main characters that we've actually spent more time with and to, to get rid of her like so quickly in this way, in this part of the season.

I was just like, man, I don't, I don't know.

Yeah, I'm gonna give it like a six.

'cause I'm biased on my, my rating system.

I feel bad for only putting black market at a seven now, but

Yeah.

it's like, oh, I probably should have explored the range a little further.

All right, so next episode about Sar Galactica is season three, episode 11, the Eye of Jupiter.

I'm gonna give you a little tease, but I'm not gonna read all of it because we're not watching this episode.

Next uh, Tyrell discovers the temple of the five on the algae planet.

The temple may hold the eye of Jupiter, which is believed to show the way to earth.

Wow.

The algae planet, not Justin McGuffin, like it's chekhov's, algae planet.

It's gonna go off in the next episode.

and you know how it is when we find a temple on a planet, you know that we're there for at least another episode, if not two.

So

Yeah.

gonna be on Algae planet for

I want to see what the algae planet looks like.

Well, you will, but not next week.

'cause next week is Christmas.

It's our movie break.

And instead of watching 2001 a Space Odyssey, which we're going to do for our season four movie break.

Now, when we found out that this episode was gonna land on Christmas Eve, we're all like, well, hallmark makes a bunch of H movies.

They have to have someone with the Battlestar

Surely they have someone.

Yeah.

We have 2020 ones Christmas sale starring Katy Soff and Ontario Quinn fire up chips.

Uh, so yeah, that's what we'll be watching next week.

I've got the little description here.

Uh, This, the tagline, your greatest adventure is waiting in port

Yeah.

when Liz returns home to take care of her estranged father.

She's determined to give her daughter a perfect Christmas and reconnect with her best friend.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If anybody needs a perfect Christmas, it's star be's, right?

We need to turn this character around with a little like hometown Christmas high school sweetheart, boy.

Like, let's fix it.

Star be's.

So that, that's what we'll be watching next week.

We do have, uh, Kristen will be joining us as well next week, which is very exciting.

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

So, uh, I'm sure there'll be lots of talk about the music in this movie.

Hopefully it's good.

I haven't watched it yet.

Maybe it's terrible, terrible.

Uh, But you know, maybe that, maybe, maybe a little surprise coming next week as well.

So you got that, um, maybe a little Christmas present for you to open listener, uh, with your ears.

So that's all, that's all coming down the pipeline.

But before we get there, we should of course first say thank you to Jeremy Siegel.

Hey Jeremy, how you doing?

Hope.

Okay.

You, I have yourself a mer little Christmas.

Uh, You can find more Jeremy's work at Jeremy SQL 40 two.bandcamp.com and on streaming services as nuclear Jaguar,

Eh, no, not Spotify.

Never Spotify.

And thanks to Angry Duck time machine on Instagram for the podcast artwork.

Aaron, thanks so much for editing this episode.

Appreciate you.

And I appreciate all of the hero drops 'cause this is being recorded right after that episode aired.

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