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Good morning, good morning, and welcome to Outsiders Live from Seapack in Brisbane, the Annual Conservative Political Action Conference, and boy do we have an action packed show coming up for you today, including hang on, hang on, aren't we missing someone?

James, where's the Persian Princess?

Sheila?

Is she?

She's probably still in makeup.

I think she's looking for a mirror to them out here.

There you go, great.

I thought we'd lost her there, I thought we'd lost her.

So we will be crossing live to Rita panahe at wait for it, the Charlie Kirk Memorial Service, and we'll be crossing.

Rita's there.

We'll be crossing there in a moment, and we'll be crossing to her during the show.

She's there in Phoenix, Arizona.

We'll speak to you in a moment.

Rita.

Loads of other wonderful guests right here on the stage with us.

But first let's.

Grab the latest Outsiders news.

So lots of big news.

James Morrow in the Daily Telegraph broke a huge story yesterday.

James tell us about it.

Well, yeah, just before we were all coming out to dinner last night.

Here news broke that in the United States and Washington DC.

Top congressional Republicans.

I'm talking about people like Ted Cruz, Tom Carter, and Elise Stefanik, who was going to be Trump's nominee to be the UN ambassador, but they needed her seat to hold the House wrote a scathing letter to Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi and sent the same letter, Yeah, that's right, let me tell you about it, don't tell you about it, saying that to recognize the state of Palestine would be to reward terrorism, that it would be irresponsible, especially with hostages still being held, and they said there would be potentially punitive consequences for the United States.

Now this broke last night in the Daily Telegraph.

I'm proud to say.

But the thing about this is, you know, you remember everybody when Albanisi decided who's going to recognize Palestine, and everybody said, oh, he's being so smart.

Because he's putting so much air between that recognition announcement and his potential meeting with Donald Trump, everybody in the US will have forgotten about it by now.

Well turns out, guys, not so well.

This is really serious, James, because we have we've talked about this before on the show.

But you have look increasing Let's be honest.

It's a communist government, hardcore socialist Albanesi government.

The bloke were liked communists in his youth, and it seems that that's the path we're heading down.

You cannot have the Australia that we all grew up in, the Australia that we all love and were born in or came to and then devoted our lives to, to be at odds with our American best friends, best friends, best friends, culturally best friends.

Historically we fought together in wars.

The alban Easy government is literally destroying our relationship with the United States of America at row game.

Shame, shame.

We fought in wars together, We've grown up together, we have all the same values, all the same Judeo Christian heritage.

That is America and Australia.

The thing we've done together.

And this government with the lowest votes ever recorded for an incoming government, at the lowest, you know, two thirds of Australians voted against the Albanezi government.

Yet these mad communists set on destroying our relationship with America and recognizing Palestine is a key part of that.

Well, not only that road, because you know, we all know that labor only looks only looks at foreign policy through the prism of domestic politics.

And in Alberdezi's case, this is exactly what happens when you pluck somebody out of a grubby Newtown sharehouse where he lived during university and drop him in the law.

And that's what we have right now.

This was why suddenly nobody asked for this.

But apparently we're getting three thousand guys in refugees put into our sub robs.

Okay, great, thank you, well done for that.

That's why, of course he's been so cozy with China, because oh it's so much better to do business with those nice Chinese Communist Party officials rather than meet old Donald Trump.

Right.

And of course you know this is why he's not spending any money on defense.

This is why he's recognizing Palestine.

The United States now has a laundry list.

I think of grievances, legitimate grievances, not just those things.

I would also add Australia's rampant attack on free speech through the e Safety Commissioner and the censorship of the web and social media that's coming up soon.

These are all things that the US quite rightly cares about.

These are things quite rightly Donald Trump cares about.

These are things, particularly free speech that Vice President jd.

Vance has been really, really articulate on.

And now alban Easy is off to the United States.

He's got an eleven day trip three countries.

Is he going to get a meeting with Trump?

Well, now apparently it's been downgraded to a possible pull aside.

What's going to be Donald's saying, Albo, I don't like this?

Yeah, exactly.

Well, there's plenty that Trump can attack.

Remember when the South African president was there in the Oval Office and Trump just tore strips off him.

That would be nothing if Albert was sitting in the Oval Office.

There are so many things that Donald Trump would want to tear strips of him.

At the moment, he barely knows who Albo is, which is lucky for Albo because once Trump starts focusing on this.

So we've seen the letter.

James broke the story in the Daily Telegraph yesterday about this letter.

Let me just add on the question of recognition of Palestine by the Australian government.

We had some terrific speeches here yesterday at seapack some wonderful speeches, many many of them, and some of those guests will be coming on shortly.

But one thing I think, I don't know if you all noticed, Senator just sent a price when she spoke.

The first thing you did was refer to the hostages and.

Pay pay her respects too, and bring to mind the hostages who are still suffering.

Who her mass A threatening to put on as human shields.

Imagine the sheer horror, the depravity, the sheer evil of taking people who's who you took hostage, probably murdered, raped, whatever, their loved ones.

They're now hostages.

They're living in absolute hell.

They've been living in hell for two years underground in those ghastly things we've seen, the photos, the videos, so sick, so depraved, so absolutely vile.

I don't even you can't even call it human the way they are being treated.

And yet these are the same people, the same people that want to want to Palestine.

They're doing everything for their precious political goal, and you have the Australian government supporting and rewarding them at the same time as ha Master threatening to put the hostages out the front as human shields.

Absolutely sick well done to Centative Price for actually reminding us, reminding us all and every Australian should be thinking, every civilized person should be remembering those hostages, and that should be front and mind, and the disgrace of an Australian government running off with all their globalist mates, their grubby globalist mates.

Over in Geneva or wherever in New York, to pay a reward to terrorism, which is what it is.

And you know, rowand this is the thing that gets me, This is the thing that gets me about this foreign policy on the left because I know we have spent so much time this weekend concentrating on you know, the really big issues here in Australia net zero, and we're gonna be talking a lot about that very shortly the program.

But you know, there is this greater global fight that I think everybody in this room here is part of.

This is this fight of freedom versus authoritarianism.

And the real problem is is that the people who are running the show right now in this country, when it comes to their foreign policy and where they put us Australia, our nation, our Australia on the world map, they're taking the sides of the authoritarians and acting like there being the good guys.

This has to do with the close ties with the Chinese Convenist Party.

Just to Alan, the Victorian Premier is over there right now, schmoozing away.

This has to do.

A lot of love for just to Alan here.

And it also has to do of course with the way moving towards Palestine away from Israel.

This is not putting us on the side of the angels.

This is putting us on the side of the thugs.

Absolutely now one of the key themes that came up in the conference yesterday.

And I want to give a big hand to everybody who's come to Seapack.

Biggest seapack ever, best sea pack we've had yet.

We've been going for five years, yes, six years in Sto twenty nineteen.

I remember the first Seapack Nigel Farage was there.

Christina KANNELI tried to have Nigel Farage banned and sold out more tickets.

You can win the Christine Kannelia a marketing award which you have to applauds.

Where's Christina big hand?

But Christina, Christina, this is all you're doing.

We now have more people than ever before, bigger conference, than ever before.

So a special call out to Christina for that great job she did there.

But we want to double Seapack next year.

And this is really important because I've been to every single seapack and outside this has been at several of them.

And the key thing that has.

Emerged over this Sea Pack is the realization from Conservative Australia that we actually have a bloody fight on our hands.

I don't mean bloody in the sense of blood.

I mean a bloody Aussie fight where we have to pitch ideas, we have to pitch thoughts, conservative values and thoughts in a proper struggle, not just sit back and let everybody go, oh, we're going to be a bit woke this week.

We're going to be this so that the Conservative fight begins here at Sea Pac and we need every Conservative politician, every conservative member of every party, join those political parties get involved.

We need to see the Liberals, the Nationals, one nation all working together to reassert to get back.

A Conservative government into Australia.

And we'll be talking to some of those politicians very very shortly, which will be fantastic.

Now let's go to Reta, where'sta.

I feel very uncomfortable James here and we'll get we'll get to Rita very very soon.

But let's let's also talk.

Let's also talk about we're going to talk about this week at zero, So we're going to talk.

We've got we've got.

Great news and Climb are coming to talk to us.

So we've got Matt Canavan.

How good is that?

So they'll be here.

But the big thing that what a joke we saw last week with Crispo And first of all, what a face.

I mean, there's something out of the Office or Utopia where they released some ridiculous report that said.

Oh, we're all we're all Dune, we're all climb and check look at these.

So they released that and then a couple of days they go later they got, oh, we're gonna set some new targets.

Well, they're just so pathetic, they're so useless.

They can't even set a target.

They have to set a load of targets to please everybody.

Let's have sixty two percent down here so that we can say low.

Let's have seventy percent over here so we can keep the greens happy.

Let's have a wow bandwidth of targets.

You don't have a with of targets.

You have a target and you either meet it or you don't.

They're never going to meet the target.

It's a pointless target to begin with.

There's no point doing it, and there's no way we're ever going to do it.

What a brilliant government we've got here in this Well Rowan, let me.

Pick up on that, because just to flesh out some of those ideas here, these two reports here, I don't think people really understand just how scandalous, and I mean scandalous in the real sense of the word scandalous.

These two reports were.

First we had the big oh, no, we're all gonna die report and then the oh, here's how we're gonna fix it report.

Both of these.

Things are so loaded.

I'll just give you a couple of examples.

In the whole big Climate Risk Assessment report, the one where it's all about.

Oh, we're all going to die from heat.

And there's going to be all these heat deaths, well, guess what they edited out.

They edited out the bit where it said you'd have many more deaths from coal and what.

And you know the other thing that they don't talk about is guess what the best way to prevent heat deaths is does anybody know, cheap electricity and air conditioning, and that's what we need in this country.

It's a hot country.

It's hot up here in Queensland against hot and Sydney.

Cheap power, cheap electricity, cheap air conditioning, sheep heating.

That's how you prevent those heat and cold desks.

And then you go and then you go to the big report that they dropped on Thursday, just late at the end of the week so that everybody would just sort of let the thing wash over them, go to the weekend and forget that it's all happening.

Very cynical media management there, I can tell you as somebody who spends time in the game.

But they also they also wound up omitting so many things in there.

Among other things, they said, oh well, we just assume that the technologies literally just basically says this, We just assume that these vaporware technologies like green hydrogen and stuff that hasn't been invented yet will somehow come online and be online in time for us to hit twenty fifty targets.

This is literally magic putting economics, and this is what they're proposing to rewrite the whole economy on and Rowan always talks about Rhodes.

It's a socialist government's carbonist government.

And you know that's on a good day.

That's what a good day.

And somebody accuse him of, you know, committee what Julia Gillard would call hyper bowl.

But but no, because you know it says in the report.

It says, if we don't have this government plan to tell everybody what to do with their buddy businesses might misallocate their capital.

In other words, if governments don't do what we tell them to, we a bunch of you know, socialist left sharehouse economists seek they should do.

Well, We're all gonna die.

That's how this works.

This is what's going on.

I will also go back to the thing James, you mentioned this idea of hot versus cold, and oh, so many extra people are going to die of the heat.

It was Matt Canavan who'll be joining us in a second.

Absolute legend.

Hate what he and Alexandik and others, and Bridgie McKenzie and others do in places like Senate estimates.

To hold these ridiculous bureaucrats to account is just magic.

And we're so lucky to have them in Australia have that sort of talent there in the Senate because, of course, as Liz Trust will also be joining us in a second so beautifully pointed out yesterday what they call in Britain the blob.

We're in America.

It's the deep state here, it's anbra Lake, Burley Griffin.

Sludge, that's what I call them.

And they are the ones that control our lives.

They control our lives.

Politicians come and go, but these bureaucrats sit there and it's only through Senate estimates and the work of the senators I mentioned that we get to hear what is really going on behind the scenes.

And these absolute charlatans did this survey where they said, oh, the next number of people are going to die of the heat.

Well, of course, by definition, as we've been saying on outside, as I used to do a segment called ice Age Watch and other segments like that, we pointed out that cold is more damaging than heat.

If the world is getting hotter, head's a damn sight better than the world getting cold because cold kills.

And in fact that the very first sea pack I mentioned before, Craig Kelly made the point that more people die of cold in Europe, in Australia and America everywhere than ever die of heat.

For that, the Australian Parliament attacked him.

He was you know this, that and the other so on and so forth.

But that is the truth.

And as Matt Canavan so brilliantly pointed out, the report that says people are going to die of heat neglects to mention all the lives that have been saved, because the people who would be dying of cold, particularly the elderly, but not exclusively, but people poorer people, so the most vulnerable people.

Who are the ones who die of the cold and die even worse of the cold because they can't afford their heating, and this is criminal in my point.

In the Albanese government, the Bowen strategy does definitely.

It must mean if you're going to have more expensive electricity, you're not going to be able to afford to heat your home when you need to, which does invariably mean more deaths.

That's statistical, that's not hyperboli, its statistical.

Thank goodness, we have people pointing out that if this so called global warming is happening, well, it's better for the older and the more vulnerable people not worse, but these Charlatans in Canberra remove that from the report.

And not only that, it gets ignores the greatest thing in this whole thing, the big elephant of the room here, which is that no matter whether you are the most ultra orthodox believer in climate change, nothing nothing we do in this country will make a difference.

The only thing we can do is prepare by having sheep energy sheep electricity, so we can deal with whatever comes, what may.

And remember the so called we must follow the science was the chief scientist Finkel.

His name was Alan Finkel, who told us that whatever Australia would do would make no difference to global temperature.

He was a lovey, he was a climate girer.

There immediately yanked him off the scene.

It's like, whoa, hang on, he told the truth.

Get rid of him.

You never see Alan Finkel popping up, and we should get him on sometime anyway.

I can't stand it any longer.

I'm sorry.

Oh not a wonderful company.

I love an adore you, but I need to speak to let's talk to come on.

RETA is going to be discovering a political.

Assassination of Charlie Kirk Rita is in Phoenix at the moment, Arizona for tomorrow's huge memorial service for Charlie Rita.

What are the preparations underway for tomorrow.

Well, the preparations are enormous.

They're expecting over one hundred thousand people to be at State Farm Arena and a neighboring stadium, people from all around the country who've converged here in Phoenix, Arizona.

I've got Turning Point USA headquarters behind me, and today I've spoken to people from all corners of the country.

Charlie Kirk's murder assassination has had a profound effect on millions, tens of millions of people in America, but also around the world.

His influence was really international.

He was so.

Effective, so good in persuading people who perhaps were from the other side of the political dial, who were undecided about their politics.

And that is rare in this day and age where so many people talk to their own audiences.

So the President Trump will be at his funeral, He'll be at the memorial, He'll be speaking.

Jd Vance, the Vice President, and senior members of the Trump administration will also be there.

So this is going to be a memorial service expected to be four hours long, and we will be bringing to you on Sky News Live.

It's going to be tomorrow morning local time and the eyes of America are going to be on Phoenix to see just what the President has to say, what the vice president has had to say.

The Vice President in particular was particularly close to Charlie Kirk.

He says, if it wasn't for Charlie, he wouldn't be vice president.

Charlie convinced Donald Trump to pick jd above other candidates, and the President goes close to him say that he's all Charlie as a son.

So this is a lot of feeling here.

There's a lot of anger, but also so much sadness that we've lost someone so special and such a critical part of the Trump forty seven campaign.

And we'll bring it all to you Rowan and James at Sky News.

I'm so sorry not to be in Brisbane with you at Sea Pak.

It looks like it's an amazing crowd, but we have to be here.

We have to cover this.

Thanks reader, thank you so and we'll be talking to reader later on in the show as well.

But did you see how we did that?

How your eyes were up there.

We snuck Alex Antik under that said, good, come on, that was good.

That was good professional Alex.

Your speech yesterday here at Seapac was absolutely superb, really touched so many topics.

It was really good, definitely a crowd favorite.

So I'm glad to say that.

But I want to kick off.

I want to play you an ad.

You know I like ads.

This is a particularly good ad which surfaced on social media yesterday.

Have a listen.

We used to make complex things in this country.

In fact, with cars, we used to say race them on a Sunday, sell them on a Monday.

And it wasn't just a slogan, it was a way of life.

Competition drove in a in our car industry.

But that's all gone and now.

Anthony Albanezi and Labor are trying to cut off off forever from our proud heritage.

They want to fill our streets with silent Solace cars made in China, packed with tech that we're in design and that we don't control.

So there we had Alex.

We had Andrew Hasty there next to an old car.

I'm not an expert on cars, but looked like a classic Aussie car, the sort you used to see and he's talking about the need to bring back innovation, industry, manufacturing, all those things to Australia.

You can't do that with net zero.

Andrew Hasty, you've spoken as of you many times against net zero.

The official policy of the Liberal Party, which you are a member, is to think about net zero for a while and then make up your mind.

It doesn't really I don't know.

I not feeling it, Alex.

Was this a leadership bid by Andrew Haste?

Look Andrew's I mean, he's very good at his social media, he's well presented and it's a great clip.

Actually, I hadn't known he's seen that until this morning on so is he here at SEPAK talking to you and so forth.

But look, I wouldn't see that as anything other than just making the point.

I mean, Andrew's a very principled guy.

He's fought for his country and I think he's making a very valid point.

I mean, at the end of the day, I think we start to win this battle against NETZA.

I am not in favor of itze.

I've called for it to be scrapped many many times, including when it was announced the before the twenty twenty two election.

I should say.

So it's not news for me.

But and one of the things I think that we do to keep people on that ride is making the connection between real world things and these ridiculous climate targets.

I mean, this is the reality.

We don't make anything in this country anymore.

We don't make cars in South Australia, where I'm from.

We had holden and and it it.

I mean, look, you know, there are a variety of reasons as to why it went the way, but I can tell you there was no chance of building cars under current climate target.

So I think the point he makes is a very good one, and I think he's delivered in a really good way.

And I think there are many of us that are just yearning for the days when we made something here and we're going to make something.

We're very vulnerable game.

Well, Alex, is this one of these things, you know, one of these issues, this idea of you know, I remember when they stopped subsidizing the carmakers here, and I remember when we gave that away.

And I think a lot of people on our side of politics said, yeah, you know, free market, you know, all of this sort of stuff, And in a sense, it kind of threw us to the wolves in a sense, Alex, do you think that there's you know, I don't want to say that you want government industrial policy or subsidies, but as a way to reconnect ourselves in a dangerous world with you know, things were if we get into strife globally, we can't retool our financial services industries, we can't get our baristas, you know, making bullets instead of flat whites.

How do we as a country reset ourselves back to this idea of making things that are practical?

Well, I mean the first step to that is just getting rid of it zero and getting rid of those climate chargers as starting point.

And I mean i'd say the second thing is drilling baby drilling as well, so you know, and look, that's the reality.

The reality is cheap power equals all those things.

And there is no reason why we shouldn't be a ring around this coutch.

There shouldn't be a ring around this country where we just make and use everything, including all of our cars as we used to, but also defense industry and pharmaceuticals.

We don't have pharmaceuticals if they shut the books on us.

So and look at this goes back to something I touched on yesterday, which was this notion that can we conservatives have to start to understand that it's not ninety ninety six anymore.

It's not.

And that's across the board.

That's conservatives in politics, that's conservatives out there.

It was a good time when there was prosperity and you know, free trade, all of that globalism ultimately gave us cheap TVs.

You know, we we got cheap TVs, but we lost all our jobs.

We lost all that manufacturing, we set it all offshore and and that's not good for the country and it's not good for Australia.

And I mean, ultimately, if you want to boil it down, that zero is not Australia first, and it's never going to.

Be because Alex, when you look at the numbers, you know, our living standards have declined in the last few years faster than any other OECD nation.

And it wouldn't just be the net zero and the climate.

It would be the huge amounts of regulations that business have to deal with, industrial relations, environment, all of these things.

You're right, well, you'll hope you're not suggesting we don't need more DEI policies.

I think we did I think we need more Human Resources officers and everything we did an HR officer right here on I did.

Would this would be an extremely unacceptable path.

I think there'd be a lot of triggering and I think we'd have to wipe.

Yeah, that's right.

Well, look you're right, and I say why even though.

I suppose I didn't hear what you said, So I'm just nod and smile and getting later.

And it's true.

And look, and this is the you know, sort of stark contrast to the Australia we used to have where we were just literally my grandpa worked in the berry factory out in Riverland, you know, and those jobs just some of them are there, but many of them are not.

And it's just not that world anymore.

You know.

We have to get over this sort of.

Notion that you know, George Bush Junior is in the White House and you know, and you know John Major is the Prime Minister of the UK.

It's not that it's not the world.

Any I want to come back to something you said, yes sir, which is really important that South Australia could be the Saudi Arabia of uranium.

You know, the world is heading more and more towards nuclear for example, in Europe basically the only way you know, they're all still mad climate love is whatever over there.

But they recognize, even.

The worst and loveiest of the lovies recognize that uranium is critical.

Nuclear power is critical to their ideology.

Australia could be, as you said, your state let alone.

The rest of Australia is your state alone.

South Australia could be the Saudi Arabia.

We turn our back on that sort of thing.

I know we're morons.

When we when Tania plibus sex is a gold mine.

You can't have a gold mine.

No no, no, no no.

We don't want to upset the spotted frog or whatever, because you know, we don't want to mind gold.

Sorry, your mind gold.

So you get rich, that's what countries do.

But uranium it's sitting there.

We could be the wealthiest nation on the planet.

We could be doing all the things.

That Andrew talks about in his video.

We could be manufacturing, we could we could genuinely be a superpower with uranium.

We could and look and in fact we could to with the energy we've got in this country.

Generally, you know, we've got cold in Queensland, we've got gas in South Australia as well, by the way, uranium in South Australia something like a third of the world's deposits.

I think of uranium, I think I get climate to correct me on that factor.

I just made up.

But something like that, and.

So about fact.

Reactionary anyway, So look that that is the truth.

And look the Scarce Royal Commission back in I think twenty sixteen dealt with a lot of this stuff at the time, and it showed that not only as part of the nuclear fuel style cycle of digging up uranium, using it and then storing it and taking it from other countries and storing it in there, the numbers that were being spoken about there in terms of sovereign wealth funds were Now we're all just retiring after that, We're all just going to sit around a roll around in hunchies and just you know, for a while and see how we go.

So it's very real.

There's no reason why we shouldn't be doing it except for all the things we've talked about, the regulation, the psychosis over this climate you know, nonsense.

And this country should be richer than rich can be.

And I'm really puzzled here because I thought we were going to get really rich out of green hydrogen.

Alexander, give him a big hand.

What a legend, one of the great senators.

And the work that alex does incentive estimates, putting the spotlight on these insane the canvas sludge is so good.

Thank you Alex greats And we'll take a short break.

After the break, we'll go live to Phoenix, Arizona.

Again.

We're the Rita panahy in a tip write it from welcome back now normally.

Thank you great to be here at Seapack.

And let me just say, let's give a big hand to the audience at Seapack.

And you are.

The Australian to come out.

For a weekend, to be here to show your love and support for this country.

Just as Jacinta was wearing her flag, all of you are metaphorically wearing an Australian flag around your shoulders when you come here to Seapack.

On well done.

Now.

Normally Rita would do her reality check, but she's over in Arizona, So let's go to Arizona for Rita's reality check.

Hi guys, hi s pack, I'm at turning point, USA, headquarters in Phoenix, Arizona, and I'm joined by Jack Posobi.

He was supposed to be in Brisbane this weekend for Sea Pack, but of course the tragic death, the murder of his great mate Charlie Kirk, sees him here.

Tell me what is the last week meant to you?

You know, Rita, It's hard to put into words.

And we were actually very excited to have been there at Sea Pack, and we were going to bring the whole family our first time in Australia, and then suddenly the whiplash of receiving the news and that feeling that the whole world has turned completely upside down, that someone who you work with every day, that you fight with and by your side and stand shoulder to shoulder with is suddenly ripped in the most unimaginable manner.

So we hopped the flight immediately to hear and I've been here since since it happened, and we're doing everything we can.

We're pulling it all together, and it's really just been amazing to see Erica and her strength and her ability to be Charlie's angel and to not only a rock, to be not only a rock for her family, but a rock for this organization.

Now, we had a very ugly reaction from the left.

I think even those of us who work in that space was shocked by the depths of depravity, some of the commentary, some of the celebration, the rationalization, And still we're seeing some of that continue, the left now playing the victim and saying they're victims of cancel culture.

How do you see that and how do you see that going forward?

Or do we We can never forget the reaction here.

You can never forget what we saw.

Yeah, never forget that when the true face of the Left was revealed in all of its ugliness.

We had always I had always hoped that maybe, just maybe we could we could get along and have rational dialogue and have a conversation.

But this has become a cult that embraces death, that embraces murder, that embraces the most brutal slaughter of not just my friend, but a young man, a father to two young children who will never see their dad again.

He's never going to be able to throw a baseball to his son, teach him how to catch, or teach him how to swim, ride a bike.

And there has to be an answer for that.

There has to be justice for that.

Well, we've still have the likes of elan Omar going on television and doubling down on these attacks, doubling down on attacking Charlie's character, his impact on the culture.

How do you counter that?

How do you have unity with people who have such file and hate for half the country, if not more.

Oh, there's no unity.

There's no unity with.

Someone who rejects your right to exist.

James Baldwin, who's a leftist by the way, said that there's no unity with someone who stands for your oppression, who stands with stripping you of your life, who stands with stripping you of your right to exist.

And you look what they did.

Not only did Charlie with.

Censorship, but to try to shut down turning point, with the power of the state, which was used to try to shut down this organization that's been used to try to shut us down for many years under the previous administration, but.

To deny your right to exist.

No, there's no unity with that.

And that's what.

Vice President j.

D Vance spoke about that if you want to have unity, we're going to have to have some.

Truth that we need to have as.

A reckoning with reality and face this ugliness that's been allowed to to develop in the culture where you've got certain people, a lot of them with considerable power, who think they're charitable to behave in this way, that they think there are no consequences for behaving in this way, you.

Know, And what did we see?

We saw that it's not just.

High level democrats like aoc or ilhan Omar.

It's teachers and nurses and doctors and people in positions of local authority DMV.

You know, workers, things like this, university workers.

And there is a real cancer.

There's a real cancer that has infected our society and it will not stop unless it is cured.

It will spread if it has not stopped.

And if Charlie's sacrifice, and it was a sacrifice, a true sacrifice, which must be described as.

Such, is to mean anything.

It means it gives.

Us that last little bit of courage, that extra bit of courage to.

Say no more, no more.

And it's a gift.

What he did is actually a gift not just to those of us who are here now, but to all future generations of Western civilization that we have a chance now, we have a chance because of Charlie's gift, and when it's written about it will be described as such that one of the two or three moments when Western civilization seemed like it was absolutely at the brink, that the death of Charlie Kirk gave us that final bit of courage to move across the line and say this is where we will stand.

It's a turning point.

It is a turning point, isn't it.

I don't want to be He lived his whole life trying to inspire a turning point, and his sacrifice has achieved it.

And that shift in the culture.

It's evident everywhere you look, whether it's sporting leagues having a tribute.

To Charlie, whether it's.

People opening their eyes to just how ugly and futrid elements of the left have become, whether it's young people being emboldened to say what they think on university campuses.

His impact and his legacy is enormous, a movie enormous.

The ugliness that spawned this horrific and unspeakable act of evil is being answered by an incredible spread of beauty.

Yes, and it's not just here in front of this headquarters.

I've been here every night and people don't stop coming.

And they've actually been multiplying and it's spread across the world and that's the cure, the cure, the hope, whether to Asia, to Europe to Australia, that it can be done.

It can absolutely be done, and we can stand up and we can let people know this is who we are, that is not who we are, and find it in the strictest terms possible.

And if the center is to hold, if the center is to hold, to let that center be Charlie.

Kirk, Jack, thank you so much for your time today, and guys, I wish I could be there with you, but we are here.

We're covering a story that is enormously important, not just in America, but I think throughout the West.

And I'll come back to you later in this show with a little bit more.

Thanks Rita, fantastic da, great job rider's doing there with Jack James.

I think the points there is I was speaking to a couple of the young volunteers here at Sea Pack and it's so critical that people encourage their kids, or if their kids at university or grandkids or whatever it might be, to go listen to a few Charlie Kirk videos to try and watch if you get involved, because he had a magical way of presenting simple, complex political issues in.

A very simple and understandable way.

And there's a real hunger I call them jen Ka the Kirk generation.

There's a real hunger for people to get For young people, they want to know what all this woke rubbish is all about, and what the solutions are, and how to combat those endless arguments, that propaganda that has ran down their throats in our disgraceful education system and how disgraceful universities with only other or two exceptions.

And so get them to listen to those Charlie Kirk videos, play them, get those kids and students listening to them.

And you know, we've seen, we've seen so much hatred and bile, and they just spoke about that.

But one of the things about that, it strikes me is that this is so much as the head of the left is because you know, they look at Charlie Kirk and they know they're losing.

They know they can't compete with that sort of thing.

In terms of the connection with the young people.

He knew and he knew how to speak to them about something that they knew was going on that the system isn't working for them, that the world is messed up, and that he wanted to help them find positive ways to solve it.

And I mean, god, what a legacy.

Let's make conservatism the new punk.

Let's make it the one that all the kids want to get involved in after the break.

It wouldn't be Seapacker, wouldn't.

Be Outsiders without Ian Plymer and Matt Canavan right here, Welcome back, welcome back.

As I said, it would not be Outsiders without Senator Matt Canavan.

And geologist Professor Ian Plymer.

And we're gonna flog Ian's booked a new book, Skeptical Always.

I'm glad to hear it.

We should always all be skeptical about everything, always, and particularly about your new billing it be skeptical about.

Matt Canavan and Ian Plyma.

Matt, we were talking earlier about this idiotic thing last week, the ridiculous report that nobody bought the scaremongry.

Oh we're all gonna go doomed.

I mean, it was a joke.

No one took it seriously, followed by ridiculous targets.

So whenever we could never meet, we will never meet.

And there's no point in meeting anyway.

You made the brilliant point in Senate estimates that if what they say is true, more people are going to live and not die with brilliant stuff.

Well, yes, it's been an interesting political tactic from the government this week.

They've I think they've basically told us, look, look, you don't have to worry about not getting you two hundred and seventy five dollars cut in electricity bills because you're all.

Going to die anyway.

It doesn't matter.

They've broken promises, nothing and then and then it got way, So they released this dooms they report in the Monday.

They just happened to happen to have a Senate inquiry scheduled on the Tuesday into climate risk.

Oh coincidence, What a coincidence?

And so I rock up at the Senate inquiry and ask the logical question that, well, if this is a report into global warming, what'd that mean fewer people die from cold?

And the answer I got was no, sorry, Senator, that was out of scope.

But it's a report in the global warming, Now how could be out of scope?

But there's a more serious point here that when you go to the technical report You can never believe the headlines on these climate reports.

You can never believe what they call the summary report.

When you go to the technical report and find the paper they quoted to scare us all about an increase in heat deaths of four hundred and forty four percent increase in heat deaths.

When you go to that paper, yes they estimate the increase in heat deaths, but that paper also estimated the decrease in cold deaths, and they just ignored that.

They just didn't report it.

And in that paper, the scientific peer reviewed paper, it showed a seven hundred and thirty two increase in heat deaths because of their estimates of global warming, and a one thy six hundred and twenty nine reduction in cold deaths.

And climber.

If you use their modeling, assuming the carbon dioxide drives this catastrophe, we're all about the face.

If you look at their modeling and then calculate what a seventy percent reduction of an emissions is going to do, it's going to lower global temperature by zero point zero zero zero seven degrees celsius.

You can't even bloody will measure.

The science is just nonsense.

And then you look at the scientific advisors there.

These are eminently unknown people.

Who are who are employed in institutions using your taxes to take your money to send you break.

We are being conned by the biggest scientific fraud this country has ever said.

Okay, let me jump in here.

Let me jump in here, because Matt, you know, I want to ask you both for a different perspective the same question here.

We know that all of these reports are nonsense.

We know that there's nothing Australia can do to change the temperature.

All of the things we know are true.

And yet somehow, even despite all this, despite the power bills, despite everything else, despite everybody seeing their high street businesses going out of business because they can't afford to pay the power bill, people aren't making the connection, and somehow, still out there there's a lot of people who still believe this stuff.

So we've got this group of people here and watching and all missionaries for the cause.

How does the message get out that actually, you're not a bad person if you don't want to do net zero.

There's a lot of morality that's bound up in this sort of thing, fake morality.

Nonetheless, how do you politically sell this shift?

Well, I think it's our job, Jimes.

I think that's my job.

I think we have to show political leadership.

I don't think the views of these trying people will go until someone has the guts and courage to point out that the emperor, the net zero emperor, has no clothes.

That's that's now.

Is that shift happening.

We can talk about leadership, but is I sense that shift is happening in the Australian people.

All the momentum is against net zero increasingly?

Is that happening?

Well, look, I think we're on the cusp of the Liberal and National parties walking away from net zero.

Yeah, I don't.

I mean, it's it's all.

It's all by the last rites being administered right now.

I'm how to go through this process, but maybe it'll take twelve months.

But we took two hours to come up and oppose the emission targets this week, so that's good we did that.

So I don't see why we should in the next two weeks drop net zero, just dump it.

As I said, Yeah, it just needs to be needs well, it needs to be strapped.

It's the critical way to get Australia back on track.

So leadership, look at the Voice.

The Austrange people didn't change their mind on the Voice until Peter Dutton came out and showed leadership.

As soon as he took a position, the polls and the voice went off a cliff.

The same thing is going to happen here because the people pushing that zero cannot withstand basic scrutiny.

They cannot ask a simple question, answer simple questions about how you're going to grow a food, how you're going to transport our goods around that country, how are you going to make sure that we can still power and keep the lights on.

They can't answer those simple questions.

So as long as we put some pressure on them, the whole thing's going to crumble.

As a really simple calculation you can do with net zero, if you're a passionate believer, maybe a Green senator.

We are breathing in zero point zero.

Four percent carbon dioxide, and because we eat and drink, we metabolize and breathe out about four percent carbon dioxide.

So if you're really passionate as a green about net zero.

Dead just Joe King, of course, thank you.

I wasn't were.

Be skeptical always Ian tell us about your book, Let's put you onto, I'll sign.

It for you, run James Fountain and if you know what these are.

But this is a book of fifty essays, some of them have rewritten and changed from a spectator, but they're looking at the last fifty years of my life working in third world countries, looking at young children who don't get fed, they've got mercury poisoning, who are really not as well off as our kids, and just trying to point out how well off we are in this country and how stupid we are with such resources.

So it's a development of ideas, basically showing that this country once had values and we're destroying these values.

And the only way we can have a decent conservative government is where we have principles and lose tie ourselves into the way Western civilization runs.

And I look at some of the great problems we've gone.

How do you solve Canberra?

Well, we don't have we don't have that line.

You send aborage clears the Hall's creek, you send Treasury to glad Finance to port Heaven, get them out of that.

She get him out of Camberra.

I couldn't agree more.

Absolutely brilliant Rockhampton.

I think we should set up in the Rocky Just quickly, just quickly, Twiggy Forest has come out and said that Donald Trump's climate policies.

Are gobsmackingly illogical.

This is the bloke who was going to spend billions on ridiculous green hydrogen, then wasn't, then was then wasn't.

But Donald Trump's classic fossil fuel economy is gobsmacking the logical.

Explain this to meet Matt Canaban.

Well, look, I don't know if I can explain what twigg He's been thinking in the last few years, but I mean, you're right about all his plans have fallen over.

So don't know why we would be listening to someone who has failed so so wasted billions of tax payer dollars.

He says he's going to pay some back, But we've just finished a pipeline from Rockhampton to Gladston cost you a billion dollars.

That was put in place to send water from the Fitzroy River fresh water down to Gladson where we would have burnt it and then sent it to Japan and Korea sent out freshwater to Japan and Korea.

Fortunately he took his projects fallen over, so it's.

Not going ahead.

Interesting tidbit though, what I'm told.

What I'm told is the pump station at the Rockhampton River, the Fitzroy River just there at Rockhampton.

They forgot to design a substation, so the electric pumps are being powered by wait for it for green hydrogen, wait for it, by diesel generator, old fossil canavan problem Twiggi's logical too, give him a big hand.

We're gonna take a short break.

After we come back.

I might have a word or two to say about the Liberal parties.

And then we've got Prime Minister Lives Trust, former Primacils Trust.

Joining us and Match Lab.

Lots more happening here on Outsiders Back.

In a tick.

Welcome back to Outsiders Live from Seapack, the Conservative Political Action Conference here in Brisbane.

My congratulations to the team from Seapack for putting on this amazing event and flying in such wonderful speakers from around the world and of course from locally.

And a big thank you to all those wonderful Seapack sponsors, including Hancock Prospecting for A given a round of applause, and the Institute of Public Affairs the IPA give them a big round of clause and of course, of course none of us would be here if it weren't for Sky News Australia.

Give him a big hand for televising this critically important events every year and a wonderful team we have from Sky and wonderful volunteers from Seedback as well, and Rita Panahe is in Phoenix, Arizona for the Charlie Kirk Memorial.

These are live pictures from there showing the incredible floral tributes.

To the great man Charlie Kirk.

And we'll be speaking to Rita again very shortly now.

As you know, I'm a.

Huge fan of focus groups and research gurus deciding how political parties.

Should decide what their policies are.

I mean, let's face it, the alternative to focus group driven strategic PowerPoint presentations is convictions and core values and ridiculous things like that which all we know, as we all know, are far too far too difficult for your average politician, absolute pain to try and work out.

Kevin Rudd had it right when he sensibly instructed his mind is to run a focus group to find.

Out what he believed in.

Now that's a politician, now.

I never saw those focus group results sadly, But but I have a feeling that the briefing went something like this.

Okay, Kevin, first and foremost, you believe in climate change.

It's the greatest moral challenge of our lifetime, and you're going to single handedly save the planet.

Kevin goes, Oh, goody goody, trees will be thrilled.

Exactly exactly how am I going to save the planet?

Again, what programmatic specific specificity did the focus group have in mind?

Focus group guy goes, Well, the focus group really.

Liked these things.

They were a real hit.

And the focus group even suggested the color in honor of the LGBT community.

We thought they should be.

Pink, called pink bats.

Ha bats, says Kevin.

No, no, no, no bats with two teas.

Never mind, the focus group loved them.

Oh great, says Kevin.

Anything else, well, yes, one thing, Kevin, you absolutely loathe them to test a bloke called Donald Trump.

Doesn't matter what he says or does you think he's an absolute goose, Never forget that.

It's a rolled gold core Kevin Rudd value.

And the great thing is, no matter how often you say it or how much you slag him off, it can never come back to bite you.

Hah oh Okay, Kevin, I've got that.

I've got that loath and detest Donald Trump.

Yes I can.

I guess I can do that.

You're sure it can't come back and bite me.

Nope, that's what the focus group says.

Now, just a word about focus groups.

I used to have to attend hundreds of these focus groups when I worked in advertising, and they are the most depressing, creativity killing, sol and pointless gabfests.

You can ever attend twelve or so people who have nothing better to do than to spend a Friday night at some ghastly room out in the stick somewhere so they can get some free pizza and a beer and hear the sound of their own voices setting the world.

Perhaps focus group junkies, we used to call them.

If you want to know what the typical focus group atmosphere is like, think of Ricky Givet's comedy series The Office.

There's a new version of it, by the way, the paper, which is brilliant.

I don't know if we've seen it, but anyway, those are the sort of kind of characters who attend focus groups.

Or think of a jury.

Okay, have you watched the Sam Neil one the twelve.

That's great, but that fabrile atmosphere between the different jurors, they all kind of looking suspicially at each other.

That's what a focus group is like.

Little petty rivalries form.

There's always a bully at the top of the focus group, someone else who's a little bit insecure.

There's some manipulator, there's some arrogant loudmouth, there's some bloke who's desperately trying to impress the blonde chick at the back, and so on, and they're all vying for the attention of the person running the focus group, who's making lots of.

Money as they're doing it.

Meanwhile, the advertising guys, we'd be sitting back behind the two way mirror there spending a miserable three or four hours watching our best and brightest and bravest creative ideas being clubbed to death like baby seals, all baby koalas.

If you're building a wind farm, and our innovative ideas would be replaced with the blandest, most turgid and predictable.

Woke, dreary dross.

Just switch on the telly you'll see what I mean.

That's all focus groups do.

It's all focus groups are capable of, because the focus group will always simply reduce whatever proposal, whether it's advertising or marketing or political, whatever proposal is on offer, the focus group reduces it to its lowest common denominator, to the blandest, most tempered, lamest, safest, most inoffensive, most unoriginal, most boring and uninspiring version of whatever the original idea was, which is why you end up with idiotic, nonsensical, self contradictory.

Weirdly compromised outcomes.

Just look at the last federal election Peter Dutton.

Peter Dutton and the Liberal Party so called strategists don't make me laugh, listen to the focus groups and turned an almost sure.

Fire victory which they could easily.

Have won with just normal, common sense conservative ideas.

They turned it into the.

Most humiliating and devastating loss that party has ever seen.

It was the PowerPoint election, It was the focus group strategy.

It was a disaster.

Now, if you haven't already.

Got your copy of this week's Spectator Australia, which you should have or some of you will have it on your seat as well, make sure you subscribe.

If you haven't, even better, make sure you subscribe for your friends as well.

But anyway, this week's cover is a spoof of Susan Leigh and the greatest marketing failure of.

The last decade, the bud Light fiasco in America.

This was the one where bud Lights decided to broaden their appeal by selling a traditional redneck beer to inner city woke lefties tials if you like, I have no doubt the focus groups in New York and California loved Dylan mulvany, nice, pland sweet inoffensive.

But the traditional consumers.

Were horrified, and the beer company lost and estimated one point four billion dollars before finally coming to their senses.

The company's overall.

Value declined by over twenty seven billion dollars.

The share price fell by twenty percent.

Now does that sound familiar?

Does that sound like the humiliating Liberal Party defeat four months ago?

Exactly the same thing.

Now, Real conservative leaders like Donald Trump, Georgia Maloney, Javier Malay, Nigel Farage, and yes, our own Tony Abbott, they didn't and they don't need focus groups to tell them who their audience is or what policies they are trying.

They need to offer that audience.

They know it in their gut.

It's who they are, it's.

In their soul.

Any conservative politician is who is so afraid, terrified of the words make Australia great again.

That the color drains from their face.

When they're best performing candidate utters those words.

Anyone like that.

Deserves the humiliating defeat the Liberals suffered at the last election.

They deserve to see their.

Share price tumble and they deserve to see their brand floundering in the gutter.

The Liberal Party needs a new strategy, and that strategy it's.

Very simple, absolutely the truth.

But the Liberal Party has to lead.

The can lead.

Matt Canavan used that word specifically to lead the Conservative Coalition of Australia.

They did it when they stopped the boats, and they did it with the voice Labor.

The Greens and the Teals have tied up the whole left wing.

Rabble over there.

That's great, good luck.

The Liberals must either lead the right in Australia or vacate the field all.

Together and leave it to others who will.

Thank you, thank you.

Conservative leadership in Australia is the only strategy Conservative leadership.

That's the only strategy that will allow the Liberal Party to survive, and that means no more focus group policies, no more wishy washy all things to all people nonsense.

Instead, they must urgently today settle on three key policies.

Abandon net zero.

Slash or put a moratorium on immigration, and fight for free speech.

No more, no more E Karen censorship, trawling through the things, no biometric data looking at your eyes, No more socialism, no more communism.

The alternative for the Liberals is to go the way of Dylan Mulvaney's bud light.

But I digress.

There is an election to win in two and a half years time.

As you will know, I am the eternal optimist, and with good reason.

We have the worst government in Australian history, and it can easily easily be defeated simply by opposing it and opposing every single thing it does without exception, which raises the question two and a half years time, who should be our next prime minister?

Now?

Oh, this is good, this is good.

I've got a gigantic focus group right here in front of them.

There's more people here.

Than in the average news poll.

You know, and don't forget, I love news poles.

You only need thirty of them to get rid of Malcolm.

Anyway, I thought this morning was the ideal opportunity to conduct my own news poll.

I'm going to ask.

A question and give you three options.

If you agree with the option, raise your hand.

Actually, do more than raise your hand, I mean stand up, yell, be loud.

You know we want the cameras to see you, want to be able to hear you.

It's a bit difficult to hear up here, isn't it.

Yeah, so make a.

Lot of noise if you agree with the proposition I put forward, Wave.

Your hands in the air.

So anyway, here's Rowan's news poll.

Here we go.

Question one and there's three choices.

Who would make the better Prime Minister of Australia.

A Anthony Albanezi.

B Chris Bowen.

See just enterprise.

Now that's what I call a proper opinion, Paul.

So it's our job here at Sea Fact to make it come true.

As Charlie Kirk said, there's no time to lose.

We have a country to save.

Joining us now is former UK Prime Minister Liz Trust.

Joining us now is former UK Prime Minister Liz Trust.

Give her a big hand here she is.

Hello, welcome, I see you.

I've got a copy of the Implman's book here.

He's probably already given you one that Liz trust You made an amazing speech here yesterday, that Seapack.

I thought your speech last year was very good.

You came up here here and you spoke to outsiders last year.

But there was a fire in your belly this year.

Last year you explained to us the Blob, the horrible circumstances of you using your Prime ministership, and the and the sludge whatever you want to call them, the vile globalist forces that did that.

But this year there's a real fire in your belly.

You want conservatives to fight and to get real correct.

That's that's right.

And I think what what has happened is I think we've all understood just how much we've been losing.

And in fact, I think it was Donald Trump's election again in the United States and his fight back and which shows the level at which we need to be playing, and frankly in Australia, in Britain that has not been happening.

We just haven't seen that.

I just see the share unapologeticness of Donald Trump.

You know that is what that is what we need.

And you know what, what I think it's also the nature of what we're fighting.

You know, we are fighting people that hate our civilization.

We're fighting Islamists, We're fighting Eco Zalats, we're fighting Marxists.

And we've had this spectacle in Britain where people have been complaining about citizens of Britain flying our own flag.

That is how bad it has got.

And I think we are now some of the things I hear people talking about here in Australia.

I think in Britain it's got even worse.

It's got even worse.

Our energy prices are sky high.

We've got a problem with Islamism, grooming gangs, we've got a problem with crime, we've got a huge problem with immigration, and we need to fight James.

Well, Liz, I've mean looking at Britain and looking at Australia, how far away is your impression that we are here in Australia from you know, suffering or seeing Now we're seeing the real rebellion of people in the United Kingdom.

The massive Patriotic March, is the Flag movement, all of these things to protest and say we're you know, we want to preserve the Britain that we know and love, we want it back.

How far aware we do you think in Australia from that, And in Britain is reform would you go and do something with the Reform Party?

So in Britain it's feeling existential.

It is feeling existential about whether or not our country remains like it is or it falls apart.

That is how bad it is.

And people have given up on the main political parties.

So Conservatives and Labor are now both about sixteen percent in the polls each and Reform is on thirty four percent.

So there has been a complete So when I see what's happening here, I think that's where Britain was a few years ago, frankly, that people still have some kind of faith in the main political parties.

That has now been lost.

In Britain because neither party has stood up to the globalist blob.

And I talked about what happened to me as Prime Minister.

But those forces are very powerful.

They're very dominant in Britain and we are seeing now a popular uprising against them.

It's a and our economy is in serious trouble.

We're probably headed for an IMF bailout where we are.

So things are very very bad in Britain, worse than they are in Australia.

But I think that is a galvanizing force.

Can I reiterate, would you work with reform?

Would you get back into politics?

I've technically yeah, that's right, I'll take it, yes any time.

I've only been.

Out of politics one year and I don't feel.

Like I've really left politics.

I spent a why time talking about politics.

But my point.

About Nigel Farage, who is you know, he's the bookie's favorite to be next Prime minister in Britain.

If it is the case that he ends up in number ten, and the system doesn't change, if the bureaucrats remain the same, if all the Blairite laws stay in place, the human rights out, the Equality Act, nothing will change.

So what my obsession.

Is is how do we achieve a counter revolution in Britain Because the Left have had a revolution.

The Marxists have taken over the judiciary, the civil service, the police with their wokery, with net zero, zelotry, with Islamism, and that is what we need to take back.

So we don't just need foot soldiers in Parliament.

We need foot soldiers to actually take on the bureaucracy and have a have a have a movement, have a movement that is actually going to overturn what's happened.

Well, I see myself as on the front line of the counter revolution.

Exactly exactly what role I will take.

You know, we will see, we will.

Very very quickly.

Does do conservatives need to then say, getting out of all of these international agreements, including refugee agreements, this is the way, yes, to get that happening.

Yes, because the left, the left have used this as a tool for the last fifty years.

You know, it was Harold.

Wilson, a prime minister in Britain may or may not have heard of, who first allowed Brits to appeal directly to the European Court of Human Rights.

It was in the nineteen sixties.

So this is they've been planning this for a long time, and we've been asleep at the wheel and we've been accommodating them and saying, oh, yes, we're concerned about human rights.

Oh yes, we're concerned about a quality.

Oh yes, we're concerned about these environmental issues.

Meanwhile, they've just been taking ground, So yes, we do these agreements are not fit for purpose.

The asylum agreements, the refugee agreements, the human rights agreements, none of them are fit for.

Purpose, Liz Trust.

They've been they basically they have been tools that the left has used against us.

So the lefters weaponized lawfare, they've weaponized human rights, and now they're even killing people.

I mean, that is how bad.

It has got, Liz Trust.

We've got to leave it there.

I'll just remind you that it.

Was on outside as at Seapeck in twenty nineteen that we told Nigel Farras he would be the next Prime Minise for Britain.

They're just saying that was only We're always on the.

Money in Liz, you weren't technically right, weren't.

You one of the next primate.

That's right, We'll see you against him.

Thank you so much, fantasy, Liz Trust.

After the break, I'm to take a short break coming back James's.

Ripum, Hello and welcome back.

To the program.

It is so great to be here and Prince Ben at Seapack with my friend rowandin here with Rita Panahey in Arizona and all of you fantastic people.

This is so much energy this part and I absolutely love it.

It gives me so much faith every year.

But a reminder also to everyone at home, even after outside is over, you can keep watching all the action here from seapac at skynews dot com dot AUS to make sure you go do that.

But this has been such an absolutely fascinating week.

I'll tell you why, because we have gotten an amazing lesson in how the left behaves.

And you know what, I think we have seen this movie before and we're seeing it play out right now with the whole aftermath of the firing of Jimmy Kimmel, that comedian, because just in the hours before this program, well apparently an ABC American ABC affiliate in Sacramento, California was shot up by somebody authorities think was angry that this leftist comedian got fired.

Well, you know what this is.

This is where we are.

This is where we are right now, and this is the movie where they say they are the ones who set the rules for society, and then we know what happens here.

They scream blue murder and protest when they discover that the rules can also be applied to them.

Now, let's go over this again, because seven days ago we all hurt, were mourning on Outsiders the death of Charlie Kirk, and today well Hollywood leftists are mourning their careers.

Specifically, this guy, Jimmy Kimmel, who you've heard about him and if you weren't familiar with him before, was until a few days ago, an unfunny comedian and general ratings disaster for the American ABC, And as you know, he has been flicked from the airwaves, leading to widespread outcry and even protests.

As you see hear more about this in a moment.

Now.

It is important to know why Kimmel was flicked, and it was, as you know, not just because he said some unkind or unfunny things about Charlie Kirk.

I mean, we can all take that, right, but because he said also some really inaccurate things as well.

We had some new lows over the weekend with the Magga Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and do everything they can to score political points from it.

Yes, that's right.

According to Jimmy Kimmel, the guy who allegedly shirt Charlie Kirk repeated talked about how much he hated Charlie Kirk's rhetoric, a guy whose family said he was becoming more and more obsessed with left wing policies over the past few years and was in some sort of odd, furry don't ask relationship with his transgender housemate.

Yeah, I mean, this is a sort of maga.

Dude.

I saw Trump rallies all across the US last year.

Yeah.

Anyway, this once upon a time, what Kimble said would have once been considered misinformation, you know, the sort of thing are E Karen wouldn't have liked very much.

And Kimmell was, of course, let's point this out, very much against disinformation, or at least he was when he was on a few years ago at the receiving end of some scurrilous, untrue gossip about him.

And as far as the well you say things about people all the time, argument goes, yes, I do.

It's not the same.

It's not even close to the same.

We say a lot of things on this show.

We don't make up lives.

In fact, we have a team of people who work very hard to sift through facts and reputable sources before I make a joke.

We have a team of people we don't make stuff up.

We're professional comedians, we're professional late night comment scores.

But Kim Well, of.

Course, is also a lovely fellow who would never ever wish ill on anyone except Well.

He was happy for Tesla shares to plummet and for Tesla dealerships to be vandalized.

Tesla stock is way down, almost disastrously, so.

People have been.

Vandalizing Tesla vehicles, new Tesla vehicles.

Please don't vandalize.

Don't ever vandalize Tesla vehicles.

And so Yeah, and he even did a whole routine about how much his staff loved Luigi Manjoni, you remember this guy.

This was the guy who allegedly shot the United Healthcare CEO and who you know?

He was a CEO, so of course he had to die because ceo and capitalism, right.

These are screen grabs of actual exchanges between our members of our staff and their friends, relatives, whatever.

I've changed the names to protect the guilty.

But Lorraine see asks do you guys think the United Healthcare CEO killer is hot?

Friend replies yes, I love Luigi.

I think he's gay.

Though.

This is an exchange between two.

Of our producers we'll call them, Alphaba and Glinda.

My TikTok is flooded.

My mom chain's going nuts.

That's my TikTok.

Everyone is obsessed.

People are saying in New York jury has the power to find him innocent because we all love him.

I'm not mad at him.

So we see the sort of stuff that Kble trafficsid.

But you know, at least he's not a hypocrite.

He'd only be a hypocrite if he and his crew celebrated with someone that they didn't like, law lost their job.

Box News has severed bow ties with Tucker Carlson after all these years.

They are parting ways, which means he was fired.

I mean, that's really what parting ways means.

Tucker couldn't be reached for comment.

He's already on a plane to Moscow to meet with his manager.

But what a shock, I mean, what an absolutely delightful shock.

This is.

Yeah, you didn't see that coming, did you.

I mean, imagine how the left would scream if a conservative comic or anybody on the right behave like this.

Well, of course we don't have to imagine, because we've seen it from everybody, from Roseanne bar to Shane Gillis all been canceled or attempted to be canceled.

But as far as let's talk about Donald Trump, well, people are now calling him a fascist because of all of this, because somehow, without evidence.

Fairly, Donald Trump, the left to saying, is supposedly responsible for Kibble getting the shop.

Sorry, what where's your evidence based policy there?

Because of course it wasn't Trump who used to who tried to get a president banned from Twitter.

That's what happened to Trump with the left in the elon days got him banned so he wouldn't have the reach.

That sounds like censship to me.

And the fact is everywhere you go on the left, you know this.

You see this in your daily lives.

You see authoritarians on the left calling for censorship.

I mean, don't forget Hillary Clinton, who could have been president, wanted.

People jail.

Boosting Trump back in twenty sixteen.

But I also think there are Americans who are engaged in this kind of propaganda and whether they should be civilly or even in some cases criminally charged is something that would be a better deterrence.

And remember, and remember though, it's Trump who's the fascist because he complained about a comedian.

Meanwhile, CNN CNN is Brian Stelter, who was furious about Kibble's firing and called it authoritarian.

Well here's how the CNN commentator thought.

He was happy to call for restrictions once upon a time on conservative media and Fox News just a few years ago.

But reducing a liar's reach is not the same as censoring freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech is different than freedom of reach, and algorithmic reach is part of the problem.

Look the establishment left, which once upon a time treated the First Amendment, you know, that freedom speech thing we have in America and which we could probably use here in Australia.

Well, they used to treat the First Amendment like holy writ and quite properly too.

But today they have become absolutely terrified of free speech and pushed forever greater regulation of people like us and people like you because they don't want you speaking or hearing the truth.

Have a look at this.

This is the mainstream left in America.

You shouldn't be banned from one platform and not others if you afford providing misinformation out there.

There's no guaranteed of free speech on misinformation or hate speech, and especially around our democracy.

There are Americans who are engaged in this kind of propaganda, and whether they should be civilly or even in some cases criminally charged is something that would be a better deterrent.

If people go to only one source, and the source they go to is sick and you know, as an agenda, and they're putting out disinformation, our First Amendment stands as a major block.

It's really hard to govern today.

This is a matter of corporate responsibility.

Twitter should be held accountable and shut down that site.

It is a matter of safety and corporate accountability.

When you look at.

What Tucker Carlson and some of these are folks on Fox do, it is very, very clearly incitement of violence.

My biggest concern is that your view has the First Amendment hamstringing the government in significant ways.

You see.

I don't know.

I kind of feel like all of this leftists talk, that's where the real authoritarians lie.

I actually even think that's where the real fascist lie in all of this.

But now, of course, because Donald Trump is involved, well suddenly any Christmas speech becomes fascist.

Speaking of which, I want to give you another truth bomb here today for you to check out.

Here, check this out because the left, as I mentioned before, have been losing their minds about the Jimmy Kimmel firing.

They've been having these protests.

And here's a little footage of a totally spontaneous demonstration outside ABC Studios in New York to save Jimmy Kimble.

And I want you to watch this green real closely here, pay attention to the signs, and'll explain why in the moment, I.

Want to echo everyone, including Jim Keaty, who very powerfully talked about how what we are facing now is not just another bad president.

We are facing fascism.

Did you notice there was a logo on those sides they said Refusefascism dot org.

Well, apparently turns out Refuse Fascism is an outfit that was co founded by this man, Bill Ayres, a weather underground terrorist who was involved in a series of bombings in the nineteen sixties and seventies.

Yes, that's right, they were doing real bombs, not truth bombs, and airs was of course mentor to this man, former President Barack Obama.

Now that golf course is playing on maybe grass, but all those protests you see out there around Jimmy Kibble totally astroturfed.

The people behind them who call everyone else a fascist, Well guess what they need to look in the mirror?

Great stuff, joans, fantastic and joining us now is Sea Pack chairman Matt Laugh.

Matt, come on up, give him a big hand.

Alright, Rays welcome.

All right, Matt, great to see you.

Come and sit down, Matt.

Want to kick off with something.

James just touched on free speech.

Our so called the Safety Commissioner.

We call her our e Karen.

She's American.

Yeah, it's good.

She used to work for Twitter and she's now in charge of online censorship.

She was caught on camera saying, well, Australians don't have the First Amendment, so it's not a problem.

So free speech is core to American values, but we don't even have that in this country.

How important is it to America?

And what are we missing out on?

So there was this idiotic American senator who was on TV and he said that we get our rights from the government and not from God.

And he was telling the person in front of him that the most troubling thing, the most radical thing about him, was that he would saying, no, we get our rights from God.

So I'm very glad in America we have a constitution that's actually written down because it becomes less negotiable.

But these people in our country still find a way to act like it's not there.

But this is a fundamental idea, which is when you feel inspired to speak.

Are you feeling inspired to speak because you took third grade government class?

Are you feeling inspired to think because there's something internal to you right that needs to be expressed on matters of politics.

And it is amazing to me that some woman like this, who I assume as well educate and everything else, is such a dingbat.

You've been involved with these, with these conferences all over the world.

You spoke about this last night.

One of the things I said earlier in the program was it feels like so much of the anger on the left feels like it's coming from a place of weakness, not strength.

Which side is winning this, the conservatives or the authoritarian left?

So they got they really have the power.

They while we're being so good natured and kind and respectful and focusing on our businesses, our jobs, our families, our churches, they were taking over all the major institutions.

They did it as a small minority, which they do in all these communists, Q coups and all these other things.

They just did it on a global scale, and then we were all kind of cowed into this idea that woke was inevitable, that getting off false fuels.

We might think it makes no sense, but it's inevitable.

It's inevitable that countries kind of go away and we become like a global mishmash.

Right, Like these things were inevitable.

So he just kind of had to go along with it.

And then some of us were just completely unaware that any of this was happening, and they just took over everything.

Now, in the meantime, here's the good news of that is they were a small, powerful, wealth under minority that took over these institutions.

But we have all the numbers.

So when people actually realize that and get out of their stupor.

I always say in America, it's like they're zombies.

They're just they haven't woken up.

And then things like this terrible tragedy with Charlie.

I mean, there's nothing good about this except that I think he's in a better place.

And the second thing is that it will be an instrument his terrible tragic death.

Will be an instrument to make a lot of people.

I was like, these people are stark, raving mad, and they really are serious when they call us these names and everything else.

So we have the numbers.

We just have to marshal them.

If anybody showed that, Donald Trump showed that right like it was impossible for him to win, and now he was one three times fantastic.

Now, Matt, I'm glad you mentioned Charlie Kirk.

We're going to take a quick break.

Don't go away.

We're going to take a quick break and cross over to Rita.

On the ground there in Arizona.

Back in a tick, welcome back, and now let's go over to Phoenix, Arizona, Rita panihe.

Hey, guys, I'm at Turning Point headquarters, and I've been speaking to people from all across the country about what Charlie Kirk meant to them, speaking to a lot of young people in particular, his impact on young Americans was profound.

Here's what they had to say.

Hi, i am a Turning Point headquarters in Phoenix, Arizona.

I'm here with Dylan.

Dylan, what did Charlie mean to you?

He was just such a good messenger and all the things that he can just believe it in and would like preach and just such a good person.

Do you think his message will continue with the Turning Point movement and the entire message he was preaching, do you think that will continue without him?

Yes, ma'am.

I think it'll grow exponentially and just it'll improve a lot.

Charlie meant's God, family.

Political rest, the right thing.

And that's it.

And we came from Georgia.

We watched a reel that Charlie said, before you get married, take a really long road trip, because you will figure out what you do and don't like about him each other.

Charlie is the reason I am who I am today.

I mean, I've been a part of Turning Point USA for six years and I've.

Always been a conservative.

But if it wasn't for Turning Point USA and what he built, I would have never I would have never had the courage to speak out boldly about my views.

He really brought out aside in me that I never even knew I had.

And did you do that at school on university campuses?

Yeah?

I ran the chapter at Ryder University in New Jersey for two and a half years.

And what was the biggest values that Charlie espoused in your eyes?

His faith, his defense of American values in the US Constitution.

He really was.

He was not afraid to go against the woke political culture and cancel culture.

And I think he gave that courage to everyone that was a part of Turning Point USA and everyone that was a member of their chapter.

You come from California, very blue state.

Do you see that change impacting even those places where Charlie's message possibly wasn't as loud as it was.

Absolutely, there has been a huge shift.

I think that a lot of people who are independent, that were in the middle are now getting pushed towards the right now because of what have happened.

Has he impacted how you speak out, perhaps at school or amongst your friends.

He's definitely like he's changed my look on some things, and I think it's I think it's pretty cool how words can do so much.

This is the time of appealing.

This is the time that we need to get together for a father, a husband, for a young man who just trying to debate fairly, to bring truth to the world.

Guys, as you saw their emotions high, there were people in tears young people so moved by Charlie's message, his legacy, and that promised to continue his work.

It is not going to die with him.

It's only going to get louder.

Fantastic Thanks for you that now, Matt.

You were both a great mate of Donald Trump's and a great mate of Charlie Kirk's.

How important was Charlie Kirk to that Trump victory?

The third one?

I think he said the.

Other It's interesting because I was lucky chair Seapack.

The was a lot of kind of changes in the American conservative movement and this young guy, Charlie Kirk, a few years before Trump ran for president, was starting this group and he was he was a real threat to a lot of these other people that were working on campuses already, and it was like it was kind of he was inspirational because he just had this dream and he pursued it and Trump was too, so like you know, it was it was It's been interesting how a person can change history.

And I guess my message to the people of Australia is that I feel like you're in this gap where you've had a lot of i'll say establishment political voices telling you that your dreams are the wrong dreams, stop dreaming them, let them go, and just don't listen to those people anymore.

Yeah, hold on, absolutely, We're going to take a short break match that that's brilliant.

After the break, we've got some questions and things.

Whoa in Welcome back to Outsiders.

Thank you so much for me here.

We're delighted to have it with such a wonderful audience.

We'd like to take you home with us.

But there you go.

Let's have some questions from the audience.

So have we got my names?

Deb Priston.

I'm from Utley, Bunderberg.

My question is is it time for true conservative politicians to create a reform Australia Party.

WHOA great, James, what do you reckon?

Great?

Great, great question.

I know it's on the minds of a lot of people.

I wrote on election night that this was an existential crisis for the Liberal Party.

I don't think they've gotten the message yet.

I think if by the end of the year you haven't seen some serious change in the Liberal Party at the top in terms of what they're going in terms of direction, then I think the minor parties are going to coalesce around some new reform movement.

I just think that that has to be where it goes because there's too many elements, For example, our friends and moderates in New South Wales who are determined to hold the party back and to keep Conservatives out of power rather than get the Liberals into government.

Yes, we have.

Within Australia some fantastic in Parliament, some fantastic politicians.

Many of them come up on our show.

We've got many, many others.

They are really really top politicians.

We've got to get them into government.

It's up to the conservative side of politics to get its act together.

If, as I said.

Before, if the Liberals weren't laid, then somebody else has to.

Let's have the next question please.

I'm Richard Jones from here in Brisbane, and my question is has the climate change issue ironically now become our greatest political weapon against labor, the Teals and the Greens.

That's a great question, Matt.

You give us a quick.

Answer to that one, Matte, Yeah, because guess what, you guys are all picking up the tab and you've gotten wise to the fact that you're not going to have any impact, negligible impact on anything like temperature.

Yet the prices are big.

And it's your jobs too.

If you can't have energy jobs and mining jobs and you can't make things, then what are you going to do for a living?

What is your kin going to do for a living?

So yeah, I think it's a great opportunity for people in Australia who have common sense.

Fantastic next question please.

Good morning on friend Johnson from Sydney.

My question is how do we read the Liberal Party of the left faction so there is a chance of winning the next election.

Well, I think many of us would love to have the answer to that.

Well, again, I think it comes back around what we were talking about before.

You know Howard's big Tent has become morphed into something that is far different and now it has dominated in many places by people who are on the left, Victoria, New South Wales very much among them.

Again, I think it may very well wind up being that you need that external pressure of a reform movement.

Well, i'd just like to say I thought Bridget mackenzie made a terrific speech yesterday and the key, yes, the key point Bridget made, and there's quite a controversial one, was that this idea of the broad church, if you like, of Conservatives and Neoliberals.

There's a massive.

Gap there and it's been papered over by the Coalition, but especially by the Liberal Party.

And this idea that you can be pandering to the Teals and pandering to real Australians, real Australians who are out here and aren't throughout the rest.

Of the country.

It's not going to work.

You've got to pick and choose.

If they choose the Teals, they may as well join the Teals and go into oblivion with them.

Or they can then.

Reject the cheap and fight for proper conservative beliefs and stand up to the Teals, stand up to labor, put forward policies against them, and prove why they are wrong.

That's how you do it.

Let's go now to read the panehy in Phoenix, Arizona for some final words.

Rita, Hey, guys, I'm sorry I'm not there with you, but please join me this morning three thirty am.

I know it's early, but we're going to bring you the Charlie servis alive.

The President will be speaking, Vice President vance senior members of the administration.

It's going to be a moving affair.

Sky News will be live from three thirty am this morning, and the Rita Panehy Show will be coming from Phoenix, Arizona this week as well.

Fantastic that's got to be watching that.

That's just going to be simply amazing.

Now.

So on that point, James talking about the you know who's going to show leadership?

How are we going to get conservatives?

Matt, this conference has been absolutely brilliant.

Give Matt slap a great big hand.

I met Matt six years ago.

We were in some dodgy hotel in the back of Haymarket because the mad lefties.

Had stopped us going here, there and everywhere.

And Matt was there, Nigel Farage was there.

It was terrific.

You've seen this organization growth, so thank you so much.

A to Andrew Cooper and Warren Mundine as well.

Fantastic job that you guys have been doing.

I urged more.

Australians to get behind Seapack.

Come to next year's conference, be here because you will hear people who speak common sense and care passionately about this country and that's what we love.

Matt.

What's the future for seapack here in Australia.

For Seapack in Australia is to be that kind of non party movement in voice right, we're multiple different political factions feel like their voice can be heard because we don't censor.

We let people talk.

That's part of the Seapack mantra.

And what that does is that heals in cools and builds relationships.

You have a beer at the bar, you have lunch, you start talking, and then you find the commonality.

Right, And at the end of the day, what's happening in America isn't really a republican revolution.

That's our Tory party or our Liberal party.

What we have is a coalition of conservatives, of Republicans, of Maga folks, and Seapack has played a critical role in helping knit that all together.

We were the first group that invited Tulcy Gabbert as a Democrat.

Robert F.

Kennedy, there you go, well done.

Give them at a big hand there for Matt slap and for Seapacking for all of you here.

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