This is Scottish Murderers and I'm your host, Dawn.

This week's episode is not what I thought it was going to be.

I said that this episode would be all about Pat mccadam's potential murderer, intermingled with the continuing leads, false hope and investigation into Pat mccadam's disappearance.

But I've decided to leave telling you all about Pat's potential murderer until the next episode.

I just wanted to finish up telling you about Pat's story.

Well.

To be fair, in my opinion, what happens from now on isn't altogether focused on Pat per se, There's someone else that took the limelight from here on in.

Albeit it does help to keep Pat's case in the newspapers for decades and to this day, Pat's case is still held in great regard by a certain group of people.

But I'll get to that.

So let's get into today's episode.

So I ended part one in nineteen sixty nine with a Lorry driver who had given Pat and her friend Hazel a left home from Glasgow, and who had been the last person to see Pat alive.

Having been questioned numerous times and released without charge, due to their being no forensic evidence and Pat's body not having been found, and a potential sighting of Pat and Leeds by a friend coming to nothing.

But we've barely scratched the surface with this investigation, although not all the investigating was being done by the police.

Now I mentioned in Part one about a particular reporter who I felt did a fantastic job at keeping Pat's case in the public eye from nineteen sixty seven to nineteen eighty seven by thinking outside the box and not by harassing Pat's family or trying to sensationalize the case.

His name was Frank Ryan, and he was a reporter for the Daily Record.

The amount of articles I found written by Frank Ryan at the time Pat first disappeared and continually throughout his whole career was incredible.

So it appears that Frank Ryan really couldn't let this case go as the investigation into Pet's disappearance began to slow down with all leads having been exhausted.

Here about police officers having a case they can't forget and still work on or think about after the retire, Well, it appears that Pat mccaddam's disappearance was that case for Frank and so in early February nineteen seventy, Frank flew to Holland to speak to clairvoyant Gerard Quasi, described as according to an article written by Frank Ryan in the Daily Record on the sixteenth of February nineteen seventy, the miracle man of Holland, the Dutch Man with the extualy mind, and the man who mystifies Europe.

Some pretty impressive accolades there.

So, before we find out what Jerd Quasi said in relation to Pat mccaddam's disappearance that changed Frank Grind's mind from skeptic to believer, let's find out just too what Gerd Quasi is.

I too, am a skeptic.

By the way, Gerard grew up in a small town in Holland, becoming a grocery clerk in the same small town until nineteen forty six, when he was thirty six years old, when he was discovered by a professor and director of Parapsychology Institute at Utrech University, who guided and encouraged Gerard to use as strange gifts, being, according to the same article, a sixth sense, a psychic power, or having a mind that sees through time and space.

So this professor guided Jerard and his gifts over the years, apparently leading to Gerrard to help police in many parts of Europe and in America find hidden bodies, murders and crimes, as well as helping those closer to home find missing documents and valuables.

So quite a varied set of skills there.

The article did go on to say, though, but Gerard's esp powers can be quite elusive and spontaneous, and unlike the five known senses, these esp powers cannot be controlled.

Gerard said in the article with a shrug, that they just come naturally to me.

Some days he sees things, in other days he doesn't.

But when it does come, the results are quite remarkable.

Okay, So I thought I'd have a way look at what cases Gerard's help policed with and what his success rate was like.

Now, I didn't do a big deep dive search.

I just asked chat GBT to see what it could find.

So, according to chat GBT, some of the most notable cases Gerard was asked to help with included the Beaumont children's disappearance in Australia in nineteen sixty six.

Okay, so I know that case, but I didn't think there had been a resolution.

Maybe I was wrong, No, I wasn't.

The outcome of Gerard's help was that his sightings didn't lead to any discoveries.

Okay.

So another case he apparently worked on was the kidnapping of Muriel Mackay in the UK in nineteen seventy.

Apparently, Gerard claimed that Muriel was in a white farmhouse near an abandoned aerodrome, saying that if she wasn't found within fourteen days, she would die.

Muriel's body was never found, but her two brothers were later convicted of her murder.

Okay, so another bust.

What else?

Well?

In nineteen seventy three in Wales, Sandra Newton, Geraldine Hughes and Pauline Floyd were murdered, with the murders being known as the Steel Town murders.

The South Wales police brought in Gerard after the investigation stalled, but again his involvement led absolutely nowhere, the case eventually being solved decades later using familial DNA.

It was also mentioned that Gerard helped American Place two to solve crime.

So again I asked CHATCHBT for a list of these, But apparently, while he claimed in his biography that he helped solve some of the century's most spectacular crimes, including in the US, it was apparently hard to find a direct impact to the solving of American crimes to Gerard's involvement, with any claims being met with skepticism and lacking rigorous documentation.

American law enforcement in the FBI did call on Gerard Quasi when they had run out of options or if it was a high profile case, especially missing persons cases, but his success rate was apparently never conclusively proven to be better than chance.

So a bit disappointing.

I was expecting quite remarkable proven results.

Okay, well, whatever Gerard Quasi said about past disappearance must have been prety remarkable if it turned skeptic Frank Ryan into a believer.

So let's find out what he had to say.

According to an article in the Daily Record on the sixteens of February nineteen seventy, written by Frank Ryan, in early February nineteen seventy, Frank had flown to Amsterdam and met with Girard Quasi at his home in Utrech, which is about twenty minutes from Amsterdam and a Homeie shared with his wife and five children.

Once there, and the men having been introduced via an interpreter, Frank showed Gered a photograph of Pat which had been taken a week before she went missing.

Gerd then requested to see on a map at the area where Pat had last been seen on a lorry after Hazel had been dropped off in Annan, and Frank happily obliged.

Following Frank pointing this area out, Gerard then apparently stared at Frank, took several deep breaths and said, via the interpreter, I see a transport cafe.

I also see a flat bridge creation color at the foot of a hill.

It is over a river and has tubular railings.

There is a bend in the railings.

As Girard spoke, he also drew sketches, going on to say that near this bridge is a converted cottage.

It's used for different purposes.

There are advertising signs on it.

He also said that there was a white wooden palling fence close to the cottage and a small path nearby to the right of the cottage.

Gerard ended by saying that she is dead and buried not too far from the area which was last seen, and that the girl is buried in a sort of cave beneath the roots of a tree along this path.

However, in order to give more accurate information, Gerard requested that Frank fly back to Scotland and locate the area he had described, take photos, and bring them back to him, after which Gerard promised to supply more detailed information.

Still skeptical but feeling slightly buoyed by what Gered had to say, Frank, along with a Daily Record photographer, traveled to the one bridge that Frank knew in the area to see what Gered had described, but alas no neither the bridge or the area matched Gired's sketchings.

However, the photographer said that he knew of another bridge about three miles away, and so the pair traveled to this bridge, and they were stunned to find not only a gray bridge at the foot of a hill over a river, just as Jared had described, but also about a few hundred yards or meters from the bridge was a cottage that has since been converted into an office store and was owned by a building firm, which also had advertising boards on two of its walls and a white wooden palling fence in front Bingo.

They had found a spot Gerard had described and sketched, and so, with photos taken off the area and now less skeptical, Frank returned once again to Gered's office and excitedly handed over the photos to him, at which point Gered exclaimed, this is what I saw.

Frank Glyn showed Jered exactly where the landmarks he descried where on a map.

Gerard then sketched the winding river, the river milk that flowed under the bridge, and said, I see a lake.

You must look for a bend in the river near here.

There is a house nearby.

Under the roots of a tree, you will find something belonging to the girl, a female garment.

Gered then said, you will find part of a car and a wheelbarrow near the spot, but they have nothing to do with the case.

He then marked an X on the map where the car and wheelbarrow would be found.

He ended by saying that this could also be where they would find the body of the girl.

Frank left Gered's office again and flew back to Scotland, his skepticism decreasing more and more, and on Saturday, the fourteenth of February, Frank, along with his wife and an independent witness, walked along the banks of the River Milk, and Frank couldn't believe his eyes when he discovered an old, broken down car mineus its wheels with a wheelbarrow propped up against it, near a cottage only yards or made from where Gerad had placed the X on the map.

Frank then scanned the river bank, noticing that he was standing near a bend in the river and that a tree stood on the river bank.

Frank, his wife, and the independent witness made their way to the tree and began to dig at its roots, not truly believing that they would find anything, but at the same time hoping that they did and that it would blow Pat mccadam's investigation wide open.

They did find something, partly buried under the tree and entangled in its roots, a black dress, a Nyland stocking, and fragments of what could have been a patent leather handbag, all of which were torn and weathered.

On a map, this area was between Annin and Lockerby.

Having found these items of clothing but not Pat's body, Frank, having already put together a dussie of his findings, including transcripts of his visits to Gerrard and photographs taken.

Requested a meeting with Chief Superintendent Alex Stenhouse, the Chief Constable of Dumfries and Galloway, where he handed over his dossier and told him about his visit to Gerard and his find under the roots of a tree between Lockerby and Annan.

Immediately, two CID officers accompanied Frank back to the exact area of his find and a full search of the banks of the river were organized and undertaken in the hope of also finding Pat's body.

Meanwhile, the dress, the stocking, and what could have been the remains of a Black Patent leather bag were examined by experts.

Frank really hoped that the clues he had uncovered with the help of Gerard Quasi would lead to Pat mccaddam's disappearance being solved.

The story of Frank's visit to clairvoyant Girard Quasi and the discovery of the torn and weathered black dress, stocking, and what could have been parts of a Black Patent leather bag were disclosed in the Daily Record by Frank Ryan on Monday, the sixteenth of February.

However, The next day, an article in The Scotsman stayed that missus McAdam had been asked to identify if a long sleeved gray cotton dress recently found on the banks of the River Milk, along with a stocking and remains of what could be a handbag, could have been worn by Pet at the time she went missing, with Missus McCadam apparently saying that without even looking at the dress, she knew it couldn't be Pets, as Pat had been wearing a black cocktail dress when she disappeared.

Now, I usually take a lot of my research from the Scotsman newspapers, so I was a bit disappointed to not only see that they had misreported the dress that I had been discovered as being gray and not black, but also reporting that Missus McCadam would even need to identify if this apparent gray dress could have been what Pat was wearing when she went missing, as we all know that Pat was wearing a black cocktail dress when she went missing.

This was the only time that it was mentioned that the dress found was gray, every other time it was black.

It was also mentioned in the same Skut article again for the first and only time that the gray or black dress, stocking and possible black bag parts were found in a wooded area instead of on the banks of the River Milk.

So I'm not sure what whoever wrote this particular article, whether Scotsman was trying to do, whether they just picked up the information wrong or it had been given the wrong information.

But like I said, this was the only time this very different information was reported on but strange, but it just goes to show how wrong information and newspapers could so easily become gospel many many years later if the correct information isn't out there as well.

So according to the article written by Frank Ryan on the sixteenth of February and another article on the Daily Record on the seventeenth of February, Pat's mum, Mary McAdam, actually said I really wanted to get in touch with this clairvoyant myself, but couldn't get over to Holland, and that I always keep hoping that Pat is still alive, to think her body may be lying buried, but if she is dead, I'd rather know now.

It also reported that she had been shown a picture of the black dress that had been found in the tree roots, but that she was sure it was not her daughters.

So this is the main reason I think journalist Frank Ryan did an exceptional job in keeping Pat's story in the public mind, not by misinformation or by hounding her grieving family, but by actually trying to further the investigation, being proactive, and doing something that her family had wanted to do themselves but had been out of their reach.

This man appeared to really care about the case and Pat's family, and it looks like Pat's family really appreciated his help and in giving them continued hope for a resolution either way.

Frank Ryan, who was a longtime journalist for The Daily Record, dedicating his life work to stories from the Dumfries and Galloway region and being the first reporter on the scene at the Lockerby disaster, and been very well known for his coverage off this disaster, died at the age of eighty two on the twenty eighth of March two thousand and thirteen.

Now that wasn't the end of the input from Gerard Quasi.

His input went on into the beginning of March nineteen seventy, being interviewed for hours at a time, again and again by reporters from the Daily record, who tried to squeeze as much information from him as they could to try and keep Pet's case from going cold, which ultimately culminated in Gerard visiting Scotland for the first time.

So following Frank Ryan visiting clairvoyant Gerard Quasi and him pinpointing where what Gerard thought was Pat's clothing and potentially Pet's body would be found, and Frank finding said clothing but no body and informing the police and a search being underway.

Frank's colleague Terry Houston, visited Gerard again on the seventeenth of February in the hope of being able to pin down the area where Pat's body may be.

During a nineteen minute discussion, Gerard said, there will not be much of the body left.

Three years is a long time and it will have decomposed.

I think it has been in the water or something.

It will be difficult to find before He then, using an Ordinance survey map, marked two spots with crosses where he felt That's body may be.

According to the article, one spot was a copse of trees that were located not far from the area at the bend of the River Milk where the black dress stocking and possible remains of a bag were found.

The second spot Gerard had marked across at was close to the bridge he had previously pinpointed for Frank Ryan.

The interview ended with Gerard saying I need all pictures and lots of details from someone who knows the area well if I'm to find this girl's body.

Two days later, on the nineteenth of February, Frank Ryan was back at Gerrard's home and he interviewed Gerrard for two hours, where it was reported that Gerard had helped even further narrow down where place should be searching for Pitt's body.

In this two hour interview, Gerard again reiterated ria an interpreter that I am certain the girl is dead, this time adding that she had been murdered.

He then went on to say that I have had a vision of for getting out of a lorry with a driver on the day she disappeared.

They went for a walk together.

He then pointed to a hill near Middle Shawl, about a twelve minute drive north of Annin and said something happened here, going on to further narrow down the search area by indicating two spots where police should concentrate their search, one opposite a cottage and the other near a footbridge, adding that trees have been felled there recently.

The girl's body is near there, I think.

Four days later there is another report in the Daily Record from Frank Ryan with more information that he has received from speaking to Gerard Quasi.

This time it involved a c and a summerhouse.

Gerard had apparently done another detailed sketch, this time of a car, going as far as indicating on a map where this car had once been parked, which was at a garage yard in the south of Scotland.

He also spoke of a summer house which was located near the sea, in the same area as the garage yard, saying that this car has a connection with the case, so has the summer house.

If the police could find them it could help their inquiries.

Frank discovered that there indeed was a garage similar to the one Gered had described and near the spot he had indicated on the map, and that Card had been part there for years, and that there was indeed a summerhouse that matched Gered's description nearby.

Two Frank said he also told Gerard that police were certain that the dress he had found on the river bank under the roots of the tree, where Gerard said he would find this was not the one Pat had been wearing when she vanished, with tests later proving conclude that neither the dress or the stocking had been worn by Pet, to which Gerard replied, I got a very strong mental picture of this dress.

Is it possible she bought it and was carrying it with her?

Remember though, what I said in part one that it had been reported that Pat had only bought in Glasgow a black leather patent bag.

There had been no mention of her buying a black dress, only that she'd been wearing a black cocktail dress.

Also during this two hour interview, Frank Ryan reported that Gerard had also given him the description of a man whom Gerard apparently said could help police with their inquiries into Pat's case.

Gerard said this man is between thirty two and thirty four, five feet four inches tall, with dark hair, and that his right ear is bigger than his left.

All of this information was passed on to Chief Superintendent Alexander Stenhouse, and it was reported that senior police officials were studying the clothes given, with a statement later being made by Chief Superintendent Alexander Stenhouse that said, there have not so far been any positive developments in inquiries being made on the material the Daily Record has been good enough to make available.

These inquiries will continue.

Any further suggestions from the same source will receive due consideration.

So it would appear that the place where willing to entertain and act on what Gerard Quasi had to say thus far.

But would any of this information lead anywhere?

While it definitely started off a discussion around clairvoyance with an article in the Daily Record on the seventeenth of February nineteen seventy asking if you could really see the future or the past of a complete stranger, But it appeared the writer definitely thought this was possible when they started the article by talking about the incredible performance by Gerard Quasi concerning missing girl Pat McCadam, and that what you'd done in general belongs almost in the realms of science fiction.

The article went on to state that Scotland and particularly the Highlands and the Western Isles had more than its quota of those who claim to have visited the past and the future, going on to say though that it is almost impossible even for experts to explain precisely what is the strength of clairvoyance, second sight or sixth sense, and that despite Professor John Beloff and his team at the Department of Psychology at Edinburgh University having carried out a study of extra sensory perception for six years, which included testing hundreds of people who claim to have special psychic powers with sealed envelopes and laboratory checks using numbers and symbols, there is still no conclusive proof, with not one man or woman having emerged as an outstanding example.

But Professor Beloff did go on to say that the work of Gerad Quasi is most fascinating and he is convinced that Gerard has an extraordinary and uncanny ability.

Backing is up by saying Quasi has told place to dredge canals in certain places on certain days and bodies have been found, and that without even having the stimulus of having belongings in his hand, he has been telephoned from America he has been able to offer clues during fruitless investigations by the police.

Professor Beloff believes that the mind of a sensitive or a clearvoyant is something which cannot be consciously controlled.

Sometimes it will react to stimulus and other times it will not.

It has felt that this and the fact that genuine clear voyance can sometimes make wildly wrong assertions make the study even more confusing, which will continue until scientists are able to somehow pin down the workings of the human mind.

So that was in nineteen sixty seven that discussion was taking place, but that's not where it started.

Apparently that eye of clairvoyance started.

According to an article in the Daily Record on the fifteenth of March nineteen ninety four in You'll Never Guess Where Scotland.

Back in eighteen twenty two, apparently a man called Edward Irving, who was a firebrand preacher, talked to his congregation about how he experienced miracles and that he spoke in tongues, which apparently became the basis for the spiritualist movement.

I'm going to leave that there for now, but i will pick this back up in a later episode, mainly because Pat mccaddam's case has become one of the most celebrated cases of the psychic detectives, and I'm interested to hear what you think about that.

Once I've finished telling you about Jered Quasi's involvement in the case.

Okay, Sojerad was not willing to give up on trying to help find Pat mccaddam's body just yet, despite his clothes so far leading nowhere, and so in the first of March nineteen seventy, Jerad Quasi arrived in Scotland the first time, where he was then taken to the areas which he had pinpointed from his home by head of Dumfries's CID Detective Inspector Angus Irving.

Gered spent four hours at the various scenes between Lockerby and ann In before finally repeating again that Pat had been murdered by a man who had later thrown her body into the river Milk.

But he went on to say that her body had initially become lodged at two or more points along the river before eventually being swept out to sea.

And that was Gered Quasi's final involvement in Pat mcadam's case.

Now imagine everyone's surprise two years later when a girl's body was found in a field between Annin and Lockerby, less than a mile from where Pat had last been seen alive.

Could this be Pat McCadam, and if not, then did the police have another murder hunt on their hands?

Well, in short, the answer is no and no.

But let me tell you the story but again, and there are differences about the story between different newspaper articles.

So according to the Daily Record on the twenty second of January nineteen seventy two, a shooting party had been out and upon walking over a grassy waste area on Kilmunty State, they came across a body lying in the long grass, with the gamekeeper who was with the party saying, as far as I could see it was the body of a young woman with auburn hair.

Apparently a green handbag and a small blue case was found beside the body.

However, according to an article in the Daily Express, also on the twenty second of January, a skeleton of a girl had been found in a willow copse, and that there was a crucifix around her neck, that the only sign of clothing was a head square and a bra, and that a handbag had been found not far away.

And then an article in The Scotsman, also on the twenty second of January, read that the remains of a woman's body had been found in a snipe bog near Annin that the remains were lying hidden amongst waste high reads by the signs of a stream one hundred yards and meters from the ann In to Lockerby Road and about five miles or eight kilometers away from where gered Quasi had said that Pat's body had been buried.

Saw a few discrepancies, but we get the gist.

Chief Superintendent Alexander Stenhouse apparently visited Pat's mum Mary at her work about five hours after the body had been found, to tell her that there was nothing identifiable found with the body, so he was unable to say if there was any connection to Pat at that moment, but that he would keep her updated once a post mortem had been carried out.

Thankfully, Mary wouldn't have to wait long, as the post mortem was concluded later that same evening and Mary was immediately told that the remains were not that of her daughter Pat.

In fact, the remains were of a middle aged woman who was thought to have been dead between six months and one year.

It was also confirmed that there were no signs of foul play, but that there was a very little prospect of establishing the cause of death.

So a full description of this lady and her clothing and possessions were circulated to play stations all over the UK to try and find out who this lady was if she had been reported missing, and the description was thus.

She had brown hair, was about five foot five inches tall, was wearing a paisley patterned head square leatheret coat with red lining, orange colored dress, white underslip, dark blue gloves and blue sling back sandals.

She also was wearing a plain gold wedding ring, a gold rustlet watch and a heart shaped gold locket on a thin gold chain.

In her possessions she had a multicolored umbrella, a black shopping bag with knitting, and a brown handbag which contained a nineteen seventy one diary, a cosmetic bag and a purse with paper money and decimal coinage.

Apparently there were entries in her dairy, but not since May nineteen seventy one, and this was now January nineteen seventy two, and so her diary was no help but identifying who this lady was.

She obviously didn't have any other form of identification on her person either, as police at this point had no idea who this lady was.

Sadly, it was unable to be determined how old this lady was.

But what I'm baffled about is why this lady would have been walking across a field, whether it be grassy wasteland, a willow copse or a bog wearing sling back sandals and being what it seems dressed to the nines with a shopping bag with knitting in it, and there being no foul play involved.

This lady's badly weathered and tattered clothes where it minutely searched in casey harbored any clues, and the partial upper genter that she wore was checked with dentists, as where opticians as a pair of bifocal spectacles with brown frames were found beside her body.

Now, despite me searching newspapers for weeks and months after this, nothing else was report about this woman, about who this woman was and if she had been reported missing and her family informed, which was pretty disappointing.

However, I did find an article in the Scottish Daily Express on the fifteenth of January twenty twenty three that listed the twenty two bodies in Scotland that have never been identified by police, which includes a body that had been found in nineteen seventy one that had still not been identified.

As this lady's body was found in nineteen seventy two and didn't appear on this list.

I have to assume that she eventually was identified and her family informed, at least that's what I hope, and that she hasn't simply slipped through the cracks in the intervening years.

If you remember this lady being found, maybe you remember the outcome.

It would be great to know for sure.

Okay, So back to Pat.

After the January nineteen seventy two discovery, Pat's case goes called again.

That is until April nineteen seventy five, when it is announced again in the Daily Record by Frank Ryan that the BBC will be making a forty five minute program reconstructing the disappearance of seventeen year old Pat McAdam, and that Dumfries's amateur actress and secretary, seventeen year old Joe Anne was to play Pat.

The program was titled The Search for Pat McCadam, and Frank Ryan himself, Gerard Quasi and the police all contributed to the making of the program, but the article did go on to say that the program would mainly focus on Gerard Quasi's revelations to Frank in nineteen seventy So a program about Pat's disappearance, but again hijacked by Gerard Quasi, despite none of his revelations leading anywhere.

Sorry, sorry, that was most definitely my opinions coming through there, didn't I say?

That was happening more and more often these days.

Maybe it's an age thing.

Frank also made his opinions clear in the article when he ended it with the case has certainly convinced me that Gerard's sixth sense is a reality.

Will tonight's program convince others?

Would it have convinced you if you had watched it?

Actually?

Does anyone remember watching this?

And if so, what were your thoughts after watching it?

I've not been able to find it to watch it myself.

Frank also touched lightly on the topic of missing people in Scotland in this article, how apparently hundreds of young girls had gone missing in Scotland every year, how he would cover many of such stories, but that he never could have guessed that the story of missing Pat McAdam would be so very different.

On the back of this, I found an interesting article from September nineteen sixty seven, again from the Daily Record, where the article stated that it was over ten thousand Scots that would disappear from home every year and how pats disappearance had initially started just like that another missing person case.

So a big difference in the number of missing person cases per year in Scotland.

Was it only hundreds of girls that went missing every year out of over ten thousand in total reported every year in Scotland or was ten thousand a much over estimation.

Ten thousand people being reported missing each year in Scotland's male or female seems a hell of a lot to me.

Hundreds maybe it would have been my guess, So obviously I had to do a wee bit research and I found an article from The Scotsman on the twelfth of January two thousand and sixteen that's said that nearly ninety Scots are reported missing every day and that more than thirty seven thousand missing person reports are made in Scotland every single year.

Well, my guess was very wrong.

That's a lot of families in Scotland alone affected by a missing family member.

Thankfully, the article went on to say that ninety nine percent of those who vanished do return safe and well.

But that's still left.

At the time of the twenty sixteen article, more than six hundred missing person cases open in Scotland classed as long term missing.

That's a huge amount.

So it looks like the over ten thousand Scott's missing every year as of nineteen sixty seven was way more accurate than Frank Grind's estimate of hundreds of missing girls each year in Scotland.

Speaking of missing person cases, in nineteen seventy five, despite eight years having passed and gird Quasi saying that Pat had been murdered, albeit there was no evidence and Pat's body had yet to be discovered, Pat was still only classed as a missing person.

All that would change though in nineteen seventy seven, ten years after she disappeared, when it was reported a man was being questioned in regards to Pat mccadams's disappearance.

But it wouldn't just be Pat mccadams's disappearance who was being questioned about.

This was on the back of a murder trial conviction.

We'll hear all about that and this man, Thomas Ross Young in the next episode.

It'd be great to hear from anyone who remembers this case.

Who watched the reconstruction program?

Who remembers gird Quasi's involvement and what your thoughts were then now on that?

Who remembers the unidentified lady's body being found close to where Pat had last been seen alive?

Who remembers anything I haven't already mentioned?

Okay, so I'm going to try and get the next episode out next week.

It might be a day or two late, though, as my gran has booked in quite a few appointments for herself for this week and next and guess who's the designated driver?

And this will limit my writing and editing time, So please remember to subscribe so you get the episode as soon as it's released.

There will still be one further episode after next week's, just to bring you up to date with everything, and of course to offer my unwanted opinions.

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