You know, don't know what I hate.

Look that Tito's hitting me now.

I don't like the pander and ship either.

I can't stay she's I cannot stand it if I see a nigga sitting down looking at the camera time.

About woman, you are beautiful, You need.

To stand ten toes down stuff if that nigga don't appreciate you leaving.

But like that pandering, I feel like men out there who really do feel this.

But I'm saying a lot of the men that were leading that conversation, it came out that they was cheating on They wise.

Talking about that you talking about we talking aboutship and vice.

Nigga man with all the girls and the black niggas was right there saying, hey, y'all listening, Oh boy Derrick Jackson, Derek Jackson.

But what I'm saying is it's a lot more of them.

They just haven't been outed yet.

It's what I'm saying.

You know what I'm saying, Listen, I feel.

Like men and women beyond.

Cheating is up.

Hold hold up there, I ain't just gonna be realist.

I mean, eating is up.

If the economy is down, oh, cheating is up.

What's up?

Y'all is your girl xp any Showgirls.

And you are tuned in to another episode of Poor Mine where drunk mind speaks soot.

We gotta guess today.

We gotta against Saurday.

Okay, y'all, Yeah, we got a jingle there.

This is such a long awaited guess.

Yeah.

We've been trying to get Joe on the pause since we first started the pause.

I'm telling you years ago, were trying to get up my wine down.

Wednesday, he said, y'all sitting on the floor, Yeah.

Get up.

Well I was supported, he was supporting from afar.

But you know what I'm saying, y'all know who it is, the podfather himself.

Number one in the game.

I mean, I don't even really have to do.

An introduction because I'm I'm telling you the number one podcast.

I hate when people try to say number one urban podcast.

Nah, like you, you you in the top the top five all the time, top three all the time.

Y'all.

We got Joe budding in a building.

Yea, what's I was shocked to learn that this was my first time doing your podcast.

We don't have a blast.

Every week, I mean being shocked to learn that it is crazy a busy man.

But we've went on your show like three times.

Yeah yeah, but you've never been on the first hopefully not the last.

Here, No, definitely nothing last, you know, welcoming.

Me of course.

And I always have to start the show because I like to be real, like how are you doing, Joe, Like, how are you doing in this space in this chapter in your life?

For real?

Great?

Yeah, okay, I'm doing wonderful.

So we can get to some tea today.

We can talk.

You know, I love it.

I love a little camera mill, you know.

Myself talk about it.

You know what I'm saying, you know, a little a little something something crazy.

We all want our cozy vibe.

It looks so cozy and.

A long time well I will say, like we haven't done this in a long time.

But literally the plane landed and we got in the car.

We was like, we got to get to joke.

We got to make it happen.

And I want to tell you something.

I am an avid TikTok scroller right like I just like to know what the kids are doing so Auntie can keep up, you know what I'm saying.

And I'm like scrolling TikTok.

I know you were trending like crazy.

Like three weeks ago, all the women were like, I'm gonna confess I love the Joe Button podcast because, like I guess, it's like a thing where women are not supposed to listen.

To you or admit that it was all over my timeline.

They're like, yeah, Hi, I'm a girl and I listen to Joe Buddy.

Yeah, so does that make you feel to connect that.

I appreciate that about the TikTok algorithm.

Yeah, right, because the TikTok algorithm will show it to you versus that same thing could be happening on Instagram and they'll shut that you down.

Yeah, black voy you.

So I appreciate that I see the videos logged in on somebody else's account.

Yeah, so I do see them.

It feels good.

Yeah.

So now, you.

Know, shout out to the women or women listenership out there.

They out there, they out there, got now because usually when people like you see when people make videos of like the podcast that they listen to and stuff, and I feel like every time people name poor minds, don't name like poor minds, and they either listen to like you know, call her Daddy decision decisions, stuff like that, but like, we're never really in the same category with like your listeners.

But the ladies that were like, oh yeah, I listen to poor Minds, but us I turned that ship off, they'd be turning that Joe Budding on.

But they gotta they be trying to sneak it, but they be listening.

But why do you think it's a thing of them feeling like they have to sneaky.

We be bugging over there, No, y'all, do we have a lot of fun.

We have a lot of fun over there.

But I don't.

I don't.

I don't really know.

Maybe it's me depending on where you met Joe Budden at right, Like a lot of people for the first time saw me on Love.

And Hip Hop, right, so, but they too young if that's the first time they.

Saw you, not necessarily, that was just a really large audience that they had.

That Love and Hip Hop demo put me in front of the forty to seventy group too, the older women, younger women.

That was a lot of women.

So if you're watching me on Love and Hip Hop when I wasn't at my finest, uh, then yeah, I could see listen his nigger.

If you know me from music, then you totally understand why somebody would be listening.

For not the Slaughterhouse.

That's right.

But you know what, it's two people who did love and hip hop?

Right, you and Cardi.

You're supposed to get in there, you know what I'm saying, make your name and then get get the hell out of there.

I think Cardi DoD who else did love and hip hop?

Right?

That?

No, I'm saying, in your opinion, do you know anybody outside of y'all two?

I would say Jim.

I would say that Jim did it.

Okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say Safari.

If I have to go down the list because I worked with these people, yeah, you kind of would have to say yan Dy and Man, DC's just based on your story.

Yeah, they've been there.

Every season since the beginning of time.

Yeah, go to jail, come out, have a family.

You see, Yandy go from working with Jim to So it's the evolution to story, back to story.

I'm a fan of story.

Yeah, there's a few.

People I think, well, and I'll say too where she didn't hurt because I love some hot tea too, you know what I'm saying.

I mean, and I will say when it comes to Yandy and me in DC.

I love the like I love when people can like go from one franchise to another one and still have a good story.

So like they went from New York to Atlanta and they're still like the main characters.

Yeah, part of the Atlanta cast.

Yeah yeah.

And speaking of storylines, because you have a good.

Storyline, I will say, like being you know the podcast world and you know you've had the I don't want to say revolving door because I don't like that, but you've had a lot of you know, different co hosts and things like that.

And for me, like I can honestly say, I am I can.

Do this with her.

How do you handle that?

Like different than all the different personalities because it's like, you know, Mark is so different from Ish and then Mona, then it was Melissa and this and that, Like how do you keep it all copoesthetic?

Oh it's not all coposthetic?

Yeah, yeah, I don't keep it that way.

Mad mad wh Okay, can I ask you something?

Let me as I'm talking shit.

I'm talking shit.

I'm just trying to have fun.

But seriously, I've been blessed to work with people that were actually close to me, Like the first iteration of the podcast was myself.

Rory was there pretty early and Marissa.

Yeah, like Rory was new to the fold for me, but he was a great guy.

Marissa was my personal assistant.

She had worked for me before.

I had a relationship there.

It makes it much easier to do when you're doing it with somebody have relationship with.

Yeah.

So then the second iteration, I had a relationship with all I had a relationship with not so much Flip.

This time we started bringing in just people that were extremely dynamic, even though Flip and I were close from mutual people from back in my music day.

It just it's easy to do when you work with people E my god, freaky e.

Over there, freak Christ.

Like, I'm just saying this is when you know niggas, it's easier.

It's easier.

And so what's the reason why, Because I feel like a lot of people will probably wonder, like, why you just don't do the show by yourself because you have such a big personality and your alligion, like you can carry.

The show on your own.

It is literally called the Joe Bladon Podcast.

Why I believe humans need human interactions?

I do.

I could sit there by myself and just give you my thoughts on shit.

I would probably get in a lot more trouble for the things that I say, like my my friends.

Back to working with people that you know, helped to keep me accountable, They keep me insulate somewhat.

We bounce off each other.

Well, So I mean, yes, I could.

Sit somewhere and do a show a boy myself and that probably will still happen, and it'll be a different bag, right right, So I wouldn't.

I just wouldn't blend things if you can get if you can get a separate bag for whatever you're talking about, then don't blend it with something else.

Yeah, right, that makes a lot of sense.

It does.

And then I want to talk about the Patreons too, because you had the other show on Patreon, the Podwives.

Right, Podwives we're off season right now, but that show crazy.

That show A lot of people enjoyed that show.

Because I mean mostly and that's ay, that's the funny part.

So let's say twenty five percent of women listening to the Joe Button Pocket, eighty five percent of women listening to.

Podwives, you be doing a little shump show.

It's about just about how you're getting the audience.

Okay, but Podwives is great.

It's a lot of fun.

It is fun, and speaking of.

Us, everybody got it building an audience.

I don't know a lot about that.

Yeah, brought to you by hold Up.

Yeah we got a drop.

I'm drinking shout out to her fantasy box.

Yeah.

But yes, we definitely have sponsors and we are figuring out how to get to the money.

But like, I feel like you pioneered for a lot of people, and I want you to speak a little bit too, just saying no to a big bag because I feel like you did.

I read an article which I already knew this about you a long time ago anyways, but I read an article recently and like, you turned down a substantial amount of money from Spotify years ago because the contract wasn't in agreement with what you want.

Like, I kind of want you to speak to that when it comes to so many other podcasters and people trying to get into this industry coming up who just ready to deal, are ready to you know, get some money.

Well, I've in my experience, no matter how much you talk about it and I talk about it, people gonna.

Do what they want.

Yeah, so it's a lot of people that's going to continue to sign away their rights.

We're not frowning down upon that.

Everybody's path is different, and you don't know who's in need of.

What at what time.

Right.

I was blessed enough to be on the bad end of a lot of deals from music, but it was school that was college for me.

So it took me eighteen years to get out of my publishing deal.

It took me sixteen years or have many years to get out of my production I deal with my production company.

It took me.

So if you if you're young, I was twenty one when I got signed.

So if it takes you all of those years to get if you see what the damage of a bad contract can do.

One, you be jaded.

Two, you'll be paranoid.

Three you'll come away with some knowledge and you won't want to make those mistakes again.

So all of that is in there.

Two you don't miss what you never had.

You don't think so I'm very low maintenance.

I'm very low maintenance.

I don't.

I don't.

I've been out the house since I was since I was what seventeen.

It don't take much noodles and noodles, motherfucking juice.

In the freeze.

I'm weak a girl, a girlfriend.

An older girlfriend in the kitchen Vegas something month.

You just said you'd be having Louis at your bar in your house though, So don't be acting like you just.

Well, that's today.

You can't.

You can't look at the story twenty six, twenty seven years in.

Okay, you're right, that's today.

I got many a story sleeping in the worst hotel motel that the city could offer offer, going to pick up the back end and it not being there, driving cross country anything, you name it.

I did it show today.

Yeah, it should be Louis at the bar, that's right, because.

I still got my t thos at the bar.

Now.

I do want to ask you something.

It's always boom and I ain't mad about it exactly and don't but you know, I got to ask you though.

I have to ask this because I want to go back to the Podwive show as I wasn't done.

I'm sorry, So let me ask you this though, you know, because I do want to ask, like, because the show is called pod wives.

Are you are y'all married?

Are do you plan on?

Are y'all going to get married.

I should tell her first, right, Oh yeah, but what you want to do?

Give us the t get married?

Okay, I mean.

She knows that we have those talks and conversations.

Yeah, and the prep that goes along with that.

So I mean we know that, all right, we're going seven years, y'are only we're going on seven years?

I thought you I thought you said only s I.

Mean, what's going on?

Yeah?

Years?

Yeah, So there's a magnetic force that keeps keeps us together.

Yeah, we can't get enough of each other.

I know that's right.

I love that though, because I feel like that's how you know you fouled your person.

We be like I just want to be around them all the time.

Yeah.

It's mushy and shit like that, I know.

Yeah, and I've seen it and I love it.

I love seeing it because I feel like, because we knew you before.

You got your relationship.

And I'm not kidding.

I've gone this like spree the last couple of weeks on lovelex P, I am pushing black love even on the show.

I'm not doing these gender.

Wars no more.

I'm tired of fighting niggles.

I'm tired of taking up for the women I'm tired to take we really because honestly, we have such strong voices and sometimes we say stuff even in like just like joking around and playing, but people say, take that shit serious.

You know what I'm saying.

So I'm like, you know what, sometimes we have to watch what we say, especially when it comes to you know, our relationships in our community.

I'm glad you said that you will because that divisiveness was that that was taught behavior from I don't want to get to get into it.

That's not us.

We've always been.

We've always thrived together as the people.

Yeah, just by design.

I believe that men and women, black men and black women need each other.

Yeah, I dont believe that.

So the gender warship is exhausting.

I hate it.

We thought about it all already.

Either you're going fifty to fifty or you're not.

Who cares somebody to pay the bills?

Or you're not.

Hey is mom sitting in the front seat or the back seat?

We got it, We've got it, we got it.

We did it already.

But I feel like it really pops off during the pandemic because yes, home and we ain't have shit to do.

And we was all mad.

But not only that.

That's true, but I'm saying people are still doing it in twenty twenty five because they see Joe signing a twenty million dollar deal and they're like, I want that, but I don't.

Feel like I see.

Yeah, it's phases.

I agree with that.

It's phases because because Dre is saying the pandemic, for me, it was it all got unpacked on black Twitter.

Black Twitter was the start of it and the end of it, and anything else that happened after that was an adaptation of what was going on because advertisers saw what was going on, movie producers, showrunners saw what.

Was going on.

Everybody saw what was going on on black Twitter.

Yeah.

So yes, during the pandemic, we saw another wave of that, but not not from No GZ.

Yeah.

Whatever you're seeing now is just they saw it monetizing now like you said, so, yeah, they're just trying to make a buck.

They've seen Kevin Samuels.

Yeah, you're seeing doctor Brian, whoever you saw, whoever you saw.

We're dealing with the generation that was programmed yea.

Yeah, and I definitely feel like it was a surge of that during the pandemic.

Yeah, and people started noticing, okay, because a lot of a lot of podcasts popped off during the pandemic, including use like I feel like that's talk about it kind of started to get really popular, and we used to kind of talk about a lot of those topics as far as like men versus woman relationships, things that we knew were gonna get a lot of traction and attention online.

And I think a lot of other people started picking up on that and it became okay, all of a sudden, men hate women, when women hate men.

It was just I don't know, it was a weird time you're living in.

And I feel like it's because people noticed, Okay, this is clickbait and it's gonna get People were.

Making coins from whatever identity they made up.

So there's people making their living being mister or miss right wing right.

There's people making a living being the leftist.

There's people that I hate.

I hate ship.

Racism is fucking profitable, right, I hate black people, hate Mexicans.

I iced to pour them all.

There's money whatever you it was just money and all of it.

Two things happen during the pending.

For sure.

You either survived as a business and thrived or you fell flat on your face and it was the end of you.

Like the pandemic got.

It was a clear shift in the changing of the times.

Y'all.

Don't feel like though currently it's a resurgence of black love being displayed online because I feel like every time I get on the internet, like every day, I'm seeing beautiful young black couples getting engaged and professing their love for one another.

I love it.

Yes, I feel like five years ago it wasn't like they like I didn't get online every day and see a young black couple getting engaged.

And I love that.

I love how we're bringing back the unity and the importance of marriage in the black community.

And I'm being serious.

And I know people may be like, oh, be for real, but the people who are at the top of the conversations, who are leading the conversations, because we're not talking about that bullshit no more.

I'm serious like people are.

Literally.

That's why it's a job called being an influencer, because you influence people.

And the people who are really like up here and really potting and really talking, we're not really doing it.

We're not doing them gender work.

We remember what we said, we rebranded, We got niggas.

Now we got niggas.

You know what I'm saying.

We kind of was like, okay, girl, we realize what it really is.

And not only that, it's kind of like we me Andre had this conversation because we did a quiet rebrand.

I hate a loud rebrand, right, we were just like, let's just kind of ease into it.

And you know what I'm saying, I was like, we're not talking about this all the time no more.

It's kind of like played out because now everybody is doing it.

But I think the shifting conversation is why it started because the people that people are really really watching, we ain't talking about that shit.

And I mean clearly y'all have resonated with people, right, Like bitches have come and go, y'all have stayed.

So whatever you're doing, not only is it working, but it's like grassroots and very organic.

Your your audience wants to see you evolved, Yeah, wants to see you grow.

Your audience is growing as well.

So yeah, we heard all that fly shit you was kicking when you were single, but now let's see what it's like when you got to lead a girls night early because you're trying to rush back to your nigga, let's hear some of that too.

Yeah, we want to get to that.

Yeah, and I think, go ahead, go ahead.

Well I was saying too.

You know you know what I hate.

Look that Tito's hitting me now.

I don't like the pander and ship either.

I can't say she's I cannot stand it if I see a nigga sitting down looking at the camera time, woman, you are beautiful.

You need to stand ten toes down.

Stop.

If that nigga don't appreciate you.

Leaving like that, it's pandering.

I feel like men out there who really do feel this.

But I'm saying a lot of the men that were leading that conversation, it came out that they was cheating on they.

Wi talking about talking about relationship advice.

Nigga man with all the girls and the black niggas was right there saying, hey, y'all listening, Oh, boy Derrick.

Jackson, Derek Jackson.

But what I'm saying is it's a lot more of them.

They just haven't been outed yet.

It's what I'm saying.

You know what I'm saying, Listen, I feel like men and women beyond.

Cheating is up.

Hold hold up there.

I ain't just gonna I'm not being realist.

I mean, cheating is up.

If the economy is down, cheating is up.

Now, give me the correlation between the economy, between the economy and cheating.

Elaborate because the correlation, I'm thinking.

But it correlates in so many ways.

Let's talk about it.

Well, one, let's preface all of this with if you you have to get to the root of why the cheating ship is going on.

Yeah, man is unhappy andah, but if the economy is down, if the groceries are expensive, then a few things could be happening.

Now, so we broke and struggling and fighting, and somebody's bickering and somebody can't take it.

Somebody's having some uncomfortable conversation that people are not used to having.

That's what happened during the pandemic.

Motherfucker's got to living together, couldn't couldn't go to work.

So now motherfucker's been married for nineteen years.

Now we sit in the house steering at each other, and we get to know one another in a different way.

When the economy is down, shit like that start to happen.

Somebody is probably more likely to step out.

I'm not gonna say the man I just said, cheating.

That's one way.

Also, if the economy is down, that mean niggas gotta survive.

And the same way that niggas resort to drugs and other underworld things to survive.

You know what else helps surviving?

More chicksicks, more chicks.

Your niggas get this slinging dick all around part.

And the one that we can put the car in her name.

We could put the light bill on.

You can pay a couple of bills.

She's gonna take some of this load off me, so I could go back and pretend in the house I live in.

Mmm.

That make sense?

Well that does?

And then I have another one because I was thinking from it from a woman's perspective.

You know what I'm saying.

Yeah, well, no, like even a woman agreeing to the cheating.

A woman cheating because, like you said, on the economy bad, the person clet you go down.

So the girls be like, he don't really gotta do much.

I just need a nigga that's gonna pay like bill so she don't go.

Listen.

The women that I follow on OnlyFans, they on their fucking their nigga.

This is a family business, no facts economy.

Hey, come on, get in the backseat of this uber bitch, Come on, let's do it.

Nineteen ninety five.

Hey, she ain't just out there with the fucking plastic deal though they plug up to the wall there and her nigga.

At all times, been there for the last six years.

Family business.

Okay, if we're gonna fuck, we might as well make it luc Yeah, a family business or only fans.

I'm not mad at that.

Generational women get it?

How you got?

You know, everybody calls you the pod father, and you said, how you know a lot of people have came and women more specifically needs laics than I have came the people period.

But I was encouraging a whole women.

Would you call us pod mothers?

No, we're not old enough.

Why you know what, though, if I had to assess a family member, it would be probably pod aunties.

I ain't mad at that.

Because mothers give some different mother gives.

You've been here since the beginning of the time, and everybody's your son or daughter.

Like aunties gives.

I could see our style and a lot of y'all, a lot of y'all is my nieces and nephews out here.

I can see remnants of it.

Some of y'all came and went with all.

That ship y'all was kicking.

But this ship that a lot of y'all judged early on talking about y'all, I was there again.

I'm a fan of the story.

Yeah, so, I've been there.

I've been there for like you said, they want to pour mine yell of y'all.

They judged the ship y'all was kicking.

I always knew it would win.

I always knew it would win.

Hm hm, back to back to what we just said out there, right, y'all came straight from the airport.

Y'all was fresh face.

It was like, I ain't gonna lie.

I don't remember the last time I did something.

Fresh face was the first thing I said.

Yeah, but they gonna dig that, Yeah, because that gives relatability.

Like when I'm in the strip club by myself and it's all the project niggas in there, all the street nigga Joe, I respected you by yourself, got no choice but the respecting my g.

And I gotta do all of that.

We y'all give that.

Yeah.

So and bitches getting on camera that bitch, let me not say that because people people get on these cameras now that you know you can make coins and just turn into somebody somebody else, or they too buttoned up or did you not buttoned up?

Or they don't really know their audience, they don't know who they.

Hear what she said?

She said two buttons, You said two button up?

She said, no pun intended.

But you know that's on that joy spend a time of sup poor minds.

For real.

We had to get that that ship out the way.

But we're finna get you know.

Well, yeah, I'm doing a podcast past.

Yeah, I'm doing a podcast.

Who is it?

That's my business partner?

Hig business partners?

What's up?

Not?

Who is it?

Don't do that?

All right, I'll call you back.

Damn, you just said something I wanted to elaborate on it, y'all.

Was complimenting.

I love a complimentation.

Go ahead.

What was I saying?

You were talking about how you knew we were gonna like make it?

Oh yeah, I could just I could just see that early and I kind of knew what how that would bold and building an audience, and that's what happened.

So let me ask you this though, with everything that you have been through, would you sign another woman podcast?

Sure?

Yeah, I would do it, okay, I mean depending on the podcast, yeah, but I would do it.

Okay.

I clearly have an affinity for all female Yeah I do.

I think your voices are are powerful and when you get the right woman who like handas owns, I don't agree with everything you say, but her voice travels.

Yeah, you know what, and I like to argue.

I would never argue with that girl.

She knows how she Sometimes you gotta know your who you can fight with and duel with.

Hey, she gets down.

That's all I'm saying.

You like, you can't even argue no more.

Like earlier today I was watching Kaya read somebody.

That's another read.

Yeahs Madison the same, so she can read.

It's like certain people you gotta just hat let them have and want to.

Talk about Lebron and Jordan, who's the best.

But if you get the right women.

Together, yeah, the girl.

I'm sorry, but like girl talk is elite.

It's really elite.

But you know what Joe.

And and I do since we talked about pod and stuff.

But it's so crazy because I feel like still the black women voices and podcasting, Like we're still so behind on what the other on what the other girls are doing, like this type of girl talk.

Like I hate to say it, but like white girl podcasting girl talk.

Oh, they're out of there, all of them are.

You know what I'm saying, Well, y'all are experiencing black women in podcasts and are experiencing what black men in podcasts are experiencing.

Right, Like, let's take the girls.

You could be talking about the same exact thing that I won't name.

Up a pocket home right right, right right.

That a white girl pod is talking about, and more adverts will go to the white podcast.

There's more streaming sites and distribution services, more business will go to that podcast.

Even if y'all are better at it, M like, history is still the same.

We still got to be one hundred to five hundred times better than them to see the same thing.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think it's so interesting because I remember when we first started Poor Minds, I was telling like some industry people that I knew at the time, like, watch, podcasting is gonna be very similar to the music industry in like another five to ten years.

They're gonna be signing podcasters the same way that they're signing artists and they didn't believe me.

And I feel like it's so interesting because now we're going through the same thing that a lot of artists used to go to or complain about going through back in the day, just like putting out great content or putting out great music and not being properly compensated.

Yeah, And I always wonder.

If it's something that's gonna like come to an end, or who's gonna be like the first black podcaster to really get a crazy fifty million, one hundred million dollar deal where you're still able to keep a decent portion of your IP and I have to sell off a big part of your business.

Like I always wonder if it's even possible.

Oh, man, don't do that.

No, I'm serious, but we're not getting it.

But I mean, when you're looking at our white counterparts, sometimes it does kind of make it like damn, when it's gonna happen for one of us.

Okay, well, one comparison is the thief for joy.

But I'm a hater and I'm gonna do what every time.

Of course, and I'm not saying it in a comparison type of way, but like even just kind of talking about what we were talking about with you earlier.

I feel like because you got offered a crazy deal.

So I'm not saying that it's not possible and you turned it down, but I think I feel like the reason that you turned it down wouldn't even been a reason with one of them, If that makes sense.

Well, the thing is right, just speaking of what you're saying, all of the white people that are in my ballpark took the bag like they left.

That's not in my makeup.

Like I fundamentally disagree with that move.

That's how I was built.

I truly believe in my talent, my platform, my ability to produce.

I believe in us, like I.

Think we could always go over there.

I think that's how racism started, that we was over there doing amazing ship and they came with their binoculars and guns.

But I believe in us.

We're the most talented, creative, most thoughtful, loving, charming.

Why would I Why would I bet on anything else but me?

Like, I couldn't think of a reason why.

Yeah, we do it all the way, they'll do it.

They'll do it their way.

Their way may be faster.

But I say all the time that the alternate route may be a longer one, but you end up with the same result, if not more, right, Right, like the path that I'm on and the trajectory I'm on and the money that I'm projected to make by the time I'm fifty years old.

Right, I agree?

And I was gonna say that.

There's not one of them out there.

Yeah, yeah, y'all know.

I got to bring it back to the mess.

Now almost at the bottom.

I can see the bottom of my cup.

Now drink.

I mean, that's all right, But let me ask you this, because I'm an avid comment reader.

You know what I'm saying.

I'll be in the comments sometimes because I'm nosy and I'm messing on.

Top of that, how could you tell?

Sometimes?

Girl?

I get it?

But no, okay, I do have a question because I well, I don't even know what I'm about to say, but I don't be knowing.

I'm nervous.

Now.

Well, no, it's it's genuine because, like I said, Joe is our friend.

Obviously we're signed to eighty five South.

That's our family.

But I always see people in the comments talking about like that you don't like eighty five or they'll say things like that, and I'm like, where does.

That came from?

I know it's not, but I'm like, do you know where it came from?

Was it something like you may have said jokingly in the interview.

No, No, they just pulled that out, they ass huh.

I mean many years ago, I was mispronouncing DC's name.

Oh okay, okay, they.

Maybe thought something from that.

But I just am bad with name.

Yeah, I mean, I am too, and and you know defense that I am bad with people names, but.

Said a few of them in the airport.

Yeah, travels.

I always salute those brothers.

Yeah.

I love DC for that movie he pulled with Wilding Out.

You can't get no really than that.

Yeah.

Yeah, I've always my heart goes out to them.

Some prayers to him and his family.

I love their model.

Yeah, I love how they did it.

I love the live shows.

Like there's nothing that I there's nothing that's not negative I can say about about them.

I'm a fan, Okay, you know, I'm a fan.

Okay, cause you know, the people be talking and I had to, but people talk because y'all.

Are obviously two of the top black men creators.

When we're talking about podcasts and in the entertainment industry in general, because I don't even want to like categorize any of y'all.

It's just podcasters because y'all do so much outside of this podcasts.

But I think obviously that's the reason people always want to put people who at the top against each other.

So, well, that's some some some people, that's all.

They used to seeing a clash, and you know, we thrive and businesses that would be considered very competitive in nature, whether that's sports, whether that's hip hop, whether that's podcasting.

They're not used to us loving on one another.

They're now used used to us empowering and encouraging and being tight knit.

Just historically they're not used to us, not used to seeing it, right, But now, yeah, it could be in front of your face, and how you respond to that is on you.

Okay, okay, and a good question.

Go ahead, go ahead, because not go ahead, girl, go ahead and ask another question.

But we still we ain't even got into topic number one yet.

I don't even know what the topic number one was.

I mean, we already go ahead, well, I know, because I do, I do want to ask this.

I feel like a lot of times.

This is off the dome even picked up the car.

We haven't y'all.

But I feel like, like me.

This, I'll be liking us in you because that'd be like these motherfuckers just.

Be like, yeah, we ain't like y'all, we ain't the same.

No, I want to I want to ask you this though, like because.

You're not the same.

I mean, I mean, but that kind of goes that does go into the question though, because I.

Chill that.

Well, Okay, so let me ask you this though for real.

So with you know, the the platform that you have and that you've grown, and you get millions of views weekly, how do you like who do you take it vice from?

Because sometimes it's like, Okay, I need to listen to my audience because you don't want to piss your audience off.

But sometimes you got to like, hey I got this, let me do this.

So how do you decipher when you should listen to your audience and when you try to tell them, hey I got this.

Oh I always listen to my audience.

You got to always listen to your audience.

But you also have to have a filter system.

Okay, you gotta know what is beneficial, what's just chatter, what you can trust, what it's just chatter.

But I've always it's free market research, like people pay hundreds and thousands of dollars to get the information.

That again back then, I think black Tuodor is so amazingly because.

Is crazy that he has.

On shit that people are just talking about black people.

We could just get to talking.

Yeah, and we'll tell you.

Hey.

I follow a girl on Instagram right now, and every day she get in her kitchen and she say come on, come on, and it's all artists or a business and she gives free kind of publicist advice.

And she's amazing at it.

This is what you need to do.

You need to YadA YadA, YadA YadA, and you need to hire this, you need to make this song and do this remix, and it's just for free.

So if you got all of these people doing that, why wouldn't you.

Listen to some of it?

You certainly don't think that you know it all, do you.

You can't think that and want to progress.

You don't think that you're just the best in the world and nothing.

You're not too full of yourself, are you?

See?

That's what happens in podcasts land.

We're dealing with motherfuckers that get in front of a camera and give off what they want.

To give off.

But a lot of people are a little too full of themselves, too hard headed, too stubborn, can't work together.

You can't bring them to an escape room, and y'all get out in the allotted amount of time.

People have a hard time working together.

And you throw the fact.

That there's millions and millions and millions and billions of dollars involved, and now we get that, We get that behavior because the economy is.

Fucked up, right, Yeah, I mean it's hard.

It's hard to work with people.

For less than a thousand dollars.

Better understand what the price of life is out here.

Turn on the news, Turn the news on.

I watched first forty.

Yeah, it gets nasty, and especially in business.

I mean we talk about that all the time because I feel like people are always asking us, how do you do business with your friend?

And I think we've just.

Been really blessed to meet each other, and neither one of us are super money hungry to the point that we really just worry about each other stabbing each other in the back over a dollar, because I mean, we what what what we've learned, and we learned that early on.

The money gonna come and it's gonna go, but not gonna get along soon.

Yeah, and that's so because this is because you realize, like, this is my sister.

We haven't a fight today, but we we'll get into it.

She'll come in more.

Like girl, let me tell you.

What happened because some tea gets too hot.

We can't fight right now, bitch, is some tea going on in the streets.

I got to talk about it.

But going back to my question and then we're gonna move on.

I got one more.

The reason I asked that about, you know the influence of your audience and what they have on the decisions that you've made, because I do want to I have to ask this question about the show because the shift from Melissa Tomna was so different.

Because I love Melissa and I love Mona.

We've had both of them on the show.

How what was that decision because they're so opposite, So how did you even think because Mona Melissa was great, Mona is great, you know what I'm saying, But how did you even think, like, you know what, let me put her in that seat and see how it works, Like, how did that shift come?

About what.

It's tough to say, right, Like when when mel did the show, I was when I courted her, So that process took some time.

I was just a fan of her and and I believed in what she'd be able to do in that type of environment.

It's the same with Mona, Like I courted Mona.

Yeah, so she just joined, But this is like years in the making of just me being a fan, me watching her timing her just comedic genius.

I'm such a van right, So it didn't really matter that, Hey, you're not like you know, like I didn't plan on.

So it was supposed to be Mona on the couch with Melissa still there.

If you're asking me to draw you Okay.

I didn't know that because it I mean on the outside, you know, because I'm one of them girls.

I'll be turning on.

The podcast now in the car, I got to put it on Loto so when the people drive by it don't hear it.

But I.

Was just joking.

I'll do what I want.

I'm joking.

I'm just saying.

But it surprised me because I too thought it was like, oh.

Mona came in to replace Melissa, because that's how it looked to all of us.

That no, no, no, no, no no.

Okay, two totally separate things having nothing to do with.

With one another.

Okay, okay, So I don't know.

Joe is our friend.

I just always have to give.

We always like to give people they fly.

And one thing that I've just always loved about you is like you just really don't give a fuck you just.

Because he don't.

And I just have always loved that about you, Like it doesn't matter the backlash that you get on the internet, it doesn't matter what people say.

You always just gonna do you.

You're gonna have your strong opinion, you gonna stand ten toes on what you say, and it doesn't matter.

And whole time you get so much discourse and so many people who have negative things to say, but you still over here building a multi million dollar empire, so it don't matter what the they're saying.

And I just love that about people about you.

It took me my whole life to learn that other people weren't like that.

Yeah yeah, So like I've really come to appreciate things that are unique to me.

I love all that shit.

I love the rebelliousness, I love the anti industry.

Attitude.

This shit is just in my If you talk to my dad for a hour, you totally understand it.

Yeah.

Yeah, because we were talking about this earlier.

I was saying, like I knew like today, I was like.

We don't ever do shit like this, me neither.

That's what I'm saying, because the way we had to hop off this flight and get to you.

But it was important to us, you know what I'm saying.

I appreciate that, not for real that I felt that from y'all, And I appreciate that.

Yeah for sure.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying, because but it's just like it's certain conversations that like that matter and you be like, Okay, we gotta make this happen.

You know what I'm saying that, But for real, we love to give you the flowers now.

We do, and we've never had you on the show, which is so crazy, because that's what I'm saying, Like, I feel like we've known you for probably almost ten years now and we've never had you on a show.

So it was just so important to us to make sure that we made this happen while we was out here.

Yeah, I'm glad that y'all did anytime y'all know my number, we do, I'll be there in a hop skipping the jump period.

Super proud of y'all.

You'll know that even though this is my first time, I'm a huge supporter all away in Jersey.

I traveled more, be in Atlanta more, and we would kicking more.

I'd be a constant.

Guess and I mean, I get that to stop.

That's what I was going to say.

I do feel like it's the fact that like Joe never comes to Atlanta ever, and we, I mean we do come to New York.

Sometimes we come here more than Joe comes.

Exactly.

I try not to go places that I don't have business, Like I'm traveling for the leisure and for the hangout.

I'm not.

But that's the point I was making earlier about they come here for business, to be honest, most of the time.

Well, that's what I was telling him earlier to it.

Yeah, it's always.

That's the airport risk hole.

This is just quick one b Thursday light work might have a problem.

So I don't want to get.

But no, but that's what I was saying.

So it was important for us to link up with you because you know, we we we we we gotta be mixy, right, So we're going to the events, We're going to the award shows, We're going.

To this, but like, you don't do that.

So I was like, nah, we we're not gonna we gotta make this happen.

But I admire that about you, because you know what one thing about me.

I cannot wait till we get to the.

Point where our career.

But we don't gotta show up.

I don't gotta tweet, I don't gotta TikTok, I don't gotta be on Instagram.

Like, you don't gotta do none of that.

You just gotta interaction.

I feel like all the time, like even though the show is growing and we do get a lot of viewership at this point, we still have to do a lot of things to like create more interaction on our page.

And it's nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that outside of it being career based because I'm blessed.

But when y'all hit y'all forties, y'all just gonna y'all just gonna love.

Home, being home.

Oh I love that now, I know.

But in your forties, the way your body reacts, Like last night, I was telling my girl, girl, I was here.

You know I was hitting the streets last night.

I was hitting the streets.

Did she know I was on a hot Wednesday night?

Yeahn't.

The heat is on in the crib.

It's windy out your eight.

The lady made the good that's right, it's cold.

Your new show came on.

You're gonna fall asleep.

They like savings saving.

Yeah, you're going to bed.

Y'all know.

I feel like I'm there already, but I'm not far from forty.

I'm thirty six.

Like I'm feeling, I'm really right.

Yes, what I'm saying.

You just bought my house.

I'll be in there decorating, renovating it.

I'm about to build my ship.

Come on, I know your's gonna be nice.

That's gonna be a fore I'm excited about.

Okay, Now, obviously we're not getting to these topics.

We haven't gotten topic.

I mean, you.

Already asked your little tea question.

I meant, come on, a little question.

You already knew she was gonna be up here, like yeah, yeah, I mean.

But because you know we're friends, but I am a fan, so I got to ask you know what I'm saying I'm a fan too.

I got to know that you're just messy and noisy and in business and you don't care about who opposite of.

Who, girl, I don't care.

I need to know Joe.

They're both wonderful women in that monolith, right, And I.

Feel like lys ask the hard hitting questions like you ask some people want to know.

I mean, it's not even that, it's not even what people want to it's.

Really ask me no hard hitting question in an episode that we're not going to sell for more than the other episodes.

To see.

I'm noting black people just sit down, be messy for nothing.

No, go tell your adverts that Joe Butden is here and we get into it three weeks in the bands.

Okay, we could sell for more.

All right, now you shout out to teleport.

You don't just be asking me some ship for free in the episode.

Do what it normally do.

And that's what I know they're giving politically correct.

In they got to run it up where overwhere today?

You think?

So, don't you just.

Made a good point because you said we needed to promote this ship weeks and events to get the real raw inser.

I mean no, but we could do I feel like y'all safe with the questions you think so yeah, Now, I wouldn't limb with that because normally I would have said, no comment, I'm not at liberty.

But but I gave you a little bit.

I mean, I feel like he gave us a little bit.

And you know me, I'm assuming I'm gonna twist that ship.

I'm just say, Joe say, I'm just playing.

I'm not gonna do it.

But no, I think I think he's.

Been honest enough to where you know it answers the question.

Like I said, I feel like if we were having a friend conversation off camera, I think his answer would have been a little different.

But I feel like, as if I'm a fan listening, that was satisfied.

And I think because he is a friend, that's why we not like really going well get into it.

I feel like, because it's my first time here, we've touched on a lot of serious and important Yeah, and it's important.

To do that.

But y'all know I'm a bird, so you are a little rat.

Y'all know I'm a bird.

I love the fact that you love Kim the Man because you know, that's our girl from age town.

That is our girl.

We love he loves Kid.

I saw the post.

I saw what he was like to King.

I want to put me on FaceTime with n She's supposed to.

To show so, oh yeah, it's gonna be episode our homegirl.

Coolly actually manages her to.

And if they thought I was a bird before I'm a bird, that one.

Real ship.

She really does.

So happy for I love the way female Southern rap is, in my opinion, taking over again, especially like the Houston Girls.

King is killing ship right now.

You can't have a conversation about female rappers from the South.

What I was talking about Mona Leo.

Oh yeah, project came out.

It's crazy.

Yeah, you gotta get into it.

Oh you don't love it?

Putting you down, I'm putting on.

Don't give up about our nigga.

Don't give up about our bitch for real.

Okay, now we don't.

We're don't talk about that.

We're gonna get that late to the will.

We'll wait.

Yeah, we're gon, we're gonna.

We're gonna wait.

Yes, so we gotta go to bed.

What wait?

I feel like we need to do topic number two.

Yeah, let's do topic number two.

Let's do top of number two.

Yeah, because on topic number two, they got eighty little sheets.

Not one time.

I was using this as a trying to make pur minds a little more structured and organized, but it just be so hard because I feel like we just do it off the down naturally.

It's a vibe it is, it's a chemistry thing.

So ye're just sitting there or yeah.

Okay, So we weren't going to talk about classicism.

That was gonna be I know, an elitism that.

Was gonna be.

I know, we'll talk about choice.

So that was gonna be the first topic.

The second topic is what's the debate you never want to have again?

Because I feel like on your show you're always debating with people about a lot of.

The craziest topics.

It be heated.

Debates and it gets a little crazy over there on your show.

So that was the second topic.

So we kind of covered some of the second topic.

I can get that out the way in three seconds.

Religion, politics, gender wars.

If I never do that any of that again, I'm perfectly fine.

Okay, But but you and it should be going at it.

Has that always been our friendship because y'all be.

We go at it.

That's always been our friendship.

I can go at it about religion or politics.

Okay, maybe there's a gender war here and there, but me and him kind of agree on some stuff.

But he's argumentative, so am I.

Him and I have this ability to get to go from one new one hundred and there be no recoil, Like everything is still cool.

Yeah, Okay, he's mad, nobody's angry.

I don't have a lot of friendships like that, so still sharp and still.

I think it's like mental exercise for us.

I think we both know that each other enjoys that type of joust and we have a real good time that we've.

Done that our entire frontship.

Oh, I like Ish because he one thing about it.

He'll say something and he gonna and he's will informed too.

Like I hate when people say stuff and then they don't never have the knowledge to back up.

That be me, I'll just be saying shit.

I don't give a fuck.

I'd be like, who told you that?

That's I don't know.

But how do you feel about when now that Mark has been brought in?

How do you feel like when people say, oh, Mark is too smart to be there?

Mark is like laughing at y'all and speaking above y'all.

You know, how does that make you feel when you see stuff like that?

I don't really care anything about Yeah when I see that, Like I come from, let fans say what fans say, Yeah, they are fans.

I learned a lot from Mark.

I think that Mark has learned a lot being up there.

He's been nothing but an absolute pleasure and enjoy Yeah.

To work with.

Can nobody come tell me nothing bad about Mark?

Yeah?

I'm so in this euphoric state that y'all could say that all day now.

That Angela Raie ship we had to address because that's you're talking about anti intellectualism as it pertains to our podcast.

You're not playing no more.

Okay, that's and that's what I was really talking about.

It feel like he's like a human encyclopedia.

He's so he was like four.

I love it.

Yes, That's what I'm saying.

Like, that's it's kind of like what we were talking about earlier when we were talking about candies.

Always it's just certain people you just don't really want me I like, but I like it, That's what I say.

That's why I like it.

I know argue with Mark.

He's gonna stand on and knowing he's a human encyclopedia.

Like Mark is like that.

And I love that were getting that he's bringing the audience of educators and you know.

He's bringing that.

But if that was all he was, he'd never got the job, right, Like I appreciate the Philly nigga.

That is Mark, right.

I love that he could just kick it about ship that has nothing to do with his PhD, h his class that night, or what's happening in Gaza, Like he could just get on funck shit, right.

But I think it's important to have, you know, somebody who can talk like that in these spaces too, you know what I'm saying, Because we.

Be learning shit, it be talking.

I'm like, oh, I didn't know that.

Okay, you know what I'm saying.

It's important to show how complex we can be.

And I think that.

I mean, Mark has been my favorite edition, Like I love it.

It eats down.

Yeah, I mean I feel like a lot of people on the show, though, have had that complexity.

Like I feel like Melissa was like somebody who surprised a lot of people with how intellectual and how intelligent she was.

Like I just think.

Y'ad was going to word for words.

Okay, I had my phone out on chat GPT.

What the hell does conundrum.

We did the first time I cried on the show for real?

Yeah it was.

But yes, I feel like she brought a certain level of substance and she was very intellectual and I don't think people like expected that from her before she came on the show because prior to that she was she was a video beakson to a lot of people.

And I think having her on your platform and giving her the platform to be who she is and show how intelligence she would show people a different side of her.

I mean, and obviously you too, and like you said, ish like, I feel like it was people like that before him.

No, yeah, no, but I'm saying like because like people like to say, it's a revolving door, but I was, like, I think, like I said, I've been watching the show since it was you.

I started when it was you, Roy and Maul, and to see it now, like, I ain't gonna lie this lineup right now, it's a good lineup.

It's perful.

You got some heavy yeah.

Because Mona to Mona is smart as fun.

She goofy and she funny.

But I love that balance of people who are super fucking funny and super fucking smart.

Right, Okay, God damn it, yeah.

Right, and everything you're saying, I'm a huge I'm I'm a fan of not only everybody on the show, but most certainly the Philly portion.

Yeah, they are both from Philly.

Yeah, MANA ain't never gonna let you forget.

Yeah.

If I love a good cheese steak.

Okay, So let's talk about classism a little bit before that, though, I have to give a shout out to Taylor Port because that's why we keep getting off Tope.

Of course, that's why it took us to get into the first Joe you got two minutes.

I told you, I'm cutting you off at the hour mark.

That's shout out to Taylor.

It makes you telor Port, and that's what we're over here doing.

So I wanted to ask you, do you think that black people subscribe so like classism, elitism and politics too much?

Do I think that.

Black people subscribe to classism, elitism and politics too much?

M h.

I can't say that we subscribe to politics too much.

I can't say that.

Yeah, I think I think more So I'll say I'm not answering for you, but classism, I think we do.

Are, maybe more so our respects ability politics.

That we adopted though yeah, it comes from somewhere.

Else well, maybe more so our respectability to politics.

Like how much we respect politics in the black community.

I would like us to respect it even more at some point.

Fair, but I feel like we come from a time especially where like it was a big thing for us to be able to vote, for sure, right, it was a big thing for us to be able to vote.

So now that we have the ability to do you think that black people put much emphasis on the ability to be able to do that Because I come.

From the school of my vote matters, my vote matters.

I didn't always have that understanding of my vote, So I can see where you're coming from with that.

At forty five, I'm saying I have a great understanding of my vote.

Yes, I think that my vote makes a difference.

I think that it counts.

I have a say, so I want to say so, and who we're electing and what their views are in terms of what they're going to do for the underprivileged, to underserved, the city, the streets, the gays, black people.

Do you want it diverse?

Do you not want it diverse.

Like today, I'm paying very close attention.

New Jersey almost flipped.

I say it all the time.

During the presidential election, New Jersey almost flipped.

Even now we won.

We won.

The other day Governor Hitter really lost.

But Donald Trump expressed his disappointment.

He was pissed.

And in New Jersey and he.

Was like, I thought, New Jersey, I thought we won on the same page.

And I see that we not.

So yeah, no, that shit is important to me.

Yeah me, I'm drinking.

Were good, you're Oh I thought you were telling me wipe my mouth.

I was wiping my mind.

Oh okay, Well.

And I want to answer that question too.

I think that we don't talk enough about politics.

And I think like we only get out and vote and not even that much like when it's a presidential when it's a presidential thing going, we have to do the local elections.

Like I think we're not talking about it enough, you know what I'm saying.

But I also think that this what's going on with the government shutdown right now.

Like I said, I'm a scroller.

I like to know what the kids is talking about.

That's when the classiesm pokes out for the community.

Like you will be shot.

I hate to see.

I hate it.

I see I'm seeing some of these clips go around.

Yeah, black people dancing in the ail with the paper towels, talking about all it's empty in here, because I don't like seeing none of that.

Yes, And I think, like we get to a point to where like where do we understand like we are?

I don't want to say we because you know, some people like it's a tax bracket thing, right, but people that are like talking shit like if you lost your job right now, A lot of people, the majority of Americans, like, are two paychecks away from being fucked.

So the conversations that people are having like, oh, just go to work.

I go to work.

Why are y'all complaining?

Why are y'all crying?

Like do you realize if you lost everything you two paychecks away?

I don't care.

And then you know, once we start making money, we create more bills for ourselves.

The financial literacy in our community is almost non existent.

And that's why I always say, like, even when it comes to us like making money and like bills, I always be like, oh girl, how much they pay you?

Because they pay me?

This what they doing?

What's going on?

Because we have to be more clear and vocal and talk to each other.

The first time when I had a nine to five, my coworker at the moment, she was like, oh girl, they not paying you enough because you have your degree and I don't.

This is what they pay me.

We have to talk about things like this.

I agree.

I agree.

The communication is very important with us.

We're not where we need to be in the relay race to have the time for the separatism, the classism, or the elitism.

If you're black and you in America, no matter how great you're doing it, I'm a prime example of that.

I'm doing great.

You your whole family, ain't your entire friend group.

Ain't right.

This is not like some of them other white families where it's generation after generation after generation after generation of shit that been handed down and now for all of us it's part of the estate, and well be it up and we are this is this is not what that is.

A lot of us come from struggling where we come from.

So if you're black in America and you're doing great, it ain't it just shouldn't be time to celebrate yet.

Yeah, pull the next person up, like you said, communicate, share, the information.

Don't gatekeep each one teach one.

That should be the vide right now, at least again, I'm forty five, Like I'm looking at my kids.

My oldest is twenty four, My youngest would be eight.

Right, it's about it's about just planning to get others, right, my little brothers, my little sister, the next wave, my little nieces and nephews, my little cousins.

Like, who are we writing down when you get to a state planning?

Like it can't just be if people even are planning estates, because I feel like a lot of people don't even have Hell, a.

Lot of people don't like well, a lot of people don't have that.

A lot of people don't have wills, a lot of a lot of people can't afford to die to yeah facts, it's expensive to die.

Yeah, So God forbid, you died somewhere as far from home and they transport.

Ship, y'all gonna have to just put me in the liquor store, in the bag, Put me in the bag, say that when I die there, well, you.

Know what I will say this.

We made Jaden Smith happy today because we talked about the economical state of the world.

The interview he did.

He said, yeah, bro, we made him happy today.

We did our due diligence.

For me, personally, I just hate the classism and elitism that like social media has created because it's all of these eras on what you mean, like like the soft girl era.

How do you feel about all.

Of these eras and aesthetics that people are creating online, Because it's like a false sense of classicism and elitism to me because just because you dressed the part, that doesn't mean that you're a rich girl.

That doesn't mean that you're a soft girl.

It doesn't mean that you're actually living that lifestyle.

But I think that it's created this sense of like, oh, if I look this way, then I'm better.

Than better than you.

Yeah, especially in the black community when it comes to black women, because are you I'm sure you're familiar with the soft girl are very okay?

Okay, very much so.

But again I feel like.

I feel like even that is adopted, right, because where does it come from?

What's the origin of that?

I was outside in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine when not many people had Instagram, and I guess and a couple of my.

Homegirls have We've talked about this.

That first wave of Instagram getting lit.

Was basketball wise, Yeah, an athlete girlfriends, the wags and they was shown they was they weren't lines.

They were really at the clear port on the jets with the rings and the bags and the burkins, and and before that, Instagram was just you tak a picture of your food.

What I said that the other day with a Sepia filter.

That's it.

We were happy with Valencia.

Look, Joe.

When I was in college, our shoe of choice in like twenty eleven was Toms.

We used to love Toms and Sperry's.

Nobody gave a fuck about having no proda loafers.

Loafers.

These days, you got to have that.

College kids, you don't got that ship own, You're gonna get made fun of.

Like we didn't even care about that back when I was in college.

Listen, my two little brothers just went to college, right, one of them, and one of them has always been kind of away of how it looks.

The other one, Neavi, caved about fashion and clothes.

He went up there for one month and came back talking about Joey.

Can we go shopping?

Yeah?

I already know I.

Need some clothes.

The girls is looking at me, They're paying me attention.

These niggas and grew up in the bedroom on Twitch or whatever game these people first time out in the world.

That's nasty.

You're absolutely right about that.

But from the basketball wives and the athlete wives, it got to the night life girls.

From there.

It wasn't the nine to fivers.

It was people that were getting quick coin that could show you all this type of shit.

So, yeah, we're seeing the evolution of that.

Too many people sat at home looking comparing jealous economy down again, I ain't gonna keep looking at this whole up running around and I can't rub two rocks together.

Now they love the pussy watch, Yeah, but that.

But I definitely feel like classism is one of the least discussed forms of division within.

The Black community.

We don't really talk about it that much, and especially like the false sense of it, like what I was just talking about with all of these eras and trends that are going on that falsely make women, especially in the Black community and men too, think that oh, I'm more superior than this person without no real backing, like got a trust fund.

Yeah, you don't have a life insurance policy.

When you don't have a net worth, you don't have anything.

So when we're talking about what really matters when it comes to classism, we don't even embody that, but we still think we better than people because of aesthetic.

I agree with everything you're saying.

What what I'm learning again in my forties, this is all just coming to me now.

That fades right now.

If you get money for long enough, then the circles you and everybody got.

Everybody has right, everybody got, So the separatism starts to come from some other things.

Or what's important changes in my forties, it's our health, Like what's going on in hip hop.

Are all of these black men, executives, people in fashion Virgil fucking artists, we're dying before sixty years old that we just now communicating.

Hey, get to the doctor regularly, check on yourself, get the heart scans, do the MRI.

These other communities, these white people on Fifth av in Park Avenue, they dragging their whole family to the doctor every month.

To get these tests.

Some of these people in the Jewish community are getting together every week to have conversations about how to do whatever they're doing.

I ain't invited to me, but they have these meetings.

So yeah, today in my forties, Yeah, let's let's work out, let's walk, let's jog, let's hit the treadmill.

The money.

Shit, once you make a couple of dollars, you know how to make a couple dollars.

Yeah, But unfortunately, I feel like we Bigga's dying rich.

Yeah, but we don't look at it like that as a community, because let's talk about it like it's a certain level of respectability that you get in the black community based off of the esthetic and how you look like.

People are considered more credible if they have the things, the material thing.

Look the part, right, If you look the.

Part, it could be somebody who is saying the same thing as somebody who has more material possessions, and they won't listen to that person because they don't have the things.

So I feel like that's that's another part of the generation that we living in right now.

I agree with that.

I agree with what you're saying, but that comes with financial literacy, right, and us understanding some other groups have gotten paid, we didn't get paid.

So we need to understand what a lot of this, A lot of people out there, this is off.

We the first ones in our family to touch this type of ship.

So we're learning, we're learning, and the learning is is where it's that Damn, I had a point that was getting to that I forgotten.

It'll come back to me.

But I feel like it's because we come from the majority of us.

Yeah, like that's what I was.

We gotta, we gotta.

Financial literacy is going to help us to understand where our money is going.

Right, And when you get into.

That, We're gonna go to Louis, You're going to Product, You're going to all of these Italian places.

You're getting your foreign car, you're getting your or your rolls, but you get your money ain't going back.

To somebody black.

Right in our community, the.

Circulation of money.

You go down Canal Street, you go to the Chinese restaurant.

Niggas got what they got.

When it come to the Dominicans in Jersey, I say, all time, they got the barbershops on lock.

They're circulating money to each other Black black people, we get ours and where can we go?

And even as an entrepreneur, right like all the podcasters, an important lesson was, Okay, how can I get the money to funnel back to me and not all of these other places and people like it wasn't music.

So it's the same thing outside, Like how do we feed each other, support each other, pay each other?

And I think that's a lot of it be a lot of gatekeeping too, Like I feel like sometimes, like you said, with the classes and with our community, a lot of times when a black person get on the other side, they don't make sure they kind of like open the door and be you know, bringing up of people in and trying to and trying to help.

It's kind of like how I got here, Hey, I'm here, y'all on y'all own.

Self centered self centeredness is at the core of a lot of people.

YEA, today, gatekeeper can't prevent you from your destiny or your legacy.

If you if you have Wi Fi, if you have a phone, if you have a good idea today you have the tools to execute.

They can't black bail you, Like there are millionaires being born every day.

Yep, my kid watch YouTube videos.

Every one of them videos is at ninety million views.

I don't know who on the other side running it.

At one point I got mad, like you don't watch some of these black shows or what enough of the Little Shark Filipino like, but the kids, But.

Can we get a black kids show with some.

I'm just saying the gamers they're getting money, the streamers is getting money.

During the pandemic, it was only the young twenty five and thirty year old crypto niggas going to get the rolls voices, and they bought all the Lamborghini trucks and so the world is different today.

Everybody want to be famous.

Yea, they can't.

They can't stop you.

They can't.

Nobody can stop you.

That's why I don't take the money.

I can go get the money.

I'll go get it on my own and not have to answer to you and not have to listen to you, consult with you, convince you of some shit because people don't never see the vision until the house is built.

I'm not convincing nobody or nothing.

I got too many years of turning the fuck up and making other people millionaires.

Yeah it's over, No, it's over now, It's over now.

Yeah.

No, We're gonna do this with with our friends and our people and our tribe and then see how you go.

People that love us.

Some of these companies today, they even the biggest the companies in the world.

You gotta have the person there that understand what I'm thinking, the black Brain.

You gotta account for it now.

They got it to the Amazon, they added at Apple, they got it a Netflix.

They have it now.

So yeah, the world is a little different today, and we still got a long way to go.

I'm not saying that we where we need to, but the world.

All we can do is try to leave the world a better place than it was when.

We came into it.

Do y'all ever feel like though it's hard for us to advise people are like, people don't want to listen to our advice or what we have to say because we're not necessarily part of the working class anymore.

Yeah, but I think we got to leave some people behind too.

Oh for sure, for sure.

There will be casualties every back.

Everybody can't come to paradise.

No, yes, yes, I agree.

But I was just asking because I think a lot of the time I've noticed and maybe this is something that you've noticed too, when you speak about these type of things on y'all show, But me and Lex get a lot of backlash of people just being like y'all can't speak on this or that's easy for y'all to say, because also people like to attribute certain things to pretty privilege and things of that nature as will so do y'all feel like people don't take what we have to say when it comes to you know, politics, the leadism classism seriously because of the position that we in.

Maybe maybe I'm sure that exists, but the proof is in the work.

The proof is not in words.

And again, we don't have time time time is our most most valuable asset.

We don't have it to convince the people or try to change somebody's minds.

We could leave a path, layout a route so the people behind us could see that where there's a will, there's a way, and oh we can do this shit.

We could have references and some of the most important sectors in the world.

But stopping to talk my day is that or done?

And if anything, that's where I agree with you, because I feel like that's more of the reason why people should listen to us more, because we are the representation where the small piece of representation in such a larger group of people that don't look like it.

But you can come listen to me on my podcast.

That's where I'm gonna come talk.

That's where I'm gonna tell you exactly how I did it.

The people in my friend group I seen them, I seen them do it.

I can tell you how they did it.

I'm gonna come there and be honest and vulnerable and hope that somebody out there gets it.

That's carried me my entire career.

Yeah, so the talking outside of that, No, I'm going to talk with.

My voice is amplified.

It's so much more of a tool than it ever was.

Rhyming words and I think I was one of the best rappers ever.

But today, the right well executed thought on the right platform could change the next However, many years and we have to think like that, and today we have that.

I'm here with y'all.

There's too many other black places I can go to express that.

And shit, there's some white places I can go right right.

When I see Gary Vee, when I see he's like, yoh, we gotta get together.

Yes, yeah, I love him too, But you know, I mean get with the people that can help help the cause and help the mission.

I'm not stopping to convince nobody or nothing.

I agree.

See you on the other side.

Remember when I told you.

When we had that conversation, I was like, we don't need to convince anybody, anybody that want to work with us.

I'm not being like, oh, I'm not.

I'm not in the point of like selling myself to like tell somebody like, oh no, you need to listen to poor minds.

We're beyond pretty And this.

At the end of the day, since wind Down Wednesday, episode one, all that shit.

Is still uploaded.

Yeah, you can see us sitting on her floor.

The blueprint print is right there, The proof is in the pudding is right there.

Nothing was handed to us.

We literally still to this day, we are still working our asses off.

So it's like for anybody that doesn't want to listen or they don't I'm not finishing here and convince you.

Tell me about listen.

I'm not.

Yeah, my days are done.

I'm not.

Yeah.

Don't ask me about how many CPMs.

I'm not gonna have a CPM talk.

If you're talking to me in CPMs, that really is the end of the discussion.

It's a trick.

You can't trick me today.

It's my loud, strong, important black voice speaking to my very loud, black, strong audience that's loyal.

And will spend and trust me.

So that's more valuable than what your CPM is going to say.

Are you ever going to tour again?

Who knows?

Who knows?

Fly about it touring.

I don't really love touring.

I love seeing the fans and getting into that.

But if we did some shows, it would be some pop up shows in New York.

Maybe we picked selected select cities and do maybe five of them.

But I have no desire to and.

You should perform too.

I'm not gonna do that, all right, I have no desire to make money.

He should, he said he was the best lyricist, But you need perform anymore.

That's why it would be the specialty.

No, it was the vehicle to get me into the next.

All my life catalyst.

I know, but I'm just saying, just for like one night only.

No one night?

Oh okay, come to me with like rapper deals again.

Yeah, now we're talking.

No, we're not work too hard to get away from rapper deals.

I mean you could, but you don't got to do like a whole album.

Just give us one little song.

That we can work too.

Oh it won't be that, I know.

We don't want to hear that ship John.

Pop, that pussy of rapper deals, y'all, is probably one of the only people who haven't rapped in so long and still be in.

Rap beef.

Like, you haven't put out a rap song in like what like fifteen years, years, ten years, and you still be in rap beefs with some of the biggest rappers that's out right now.

That's it's more fun to be with them on the pod, And it's more likely because I'm talking too much.

Why do you think people, Why do you think?

Why do you think a lot of these people get so pissed off about your opinions because they're just your opinion.

I don't know why.

For many reasons, Yeah, many reasons.

One, some of these people from music respected and admired me, so to see me now not doing music and just talking shit, it's like, damn, they got like some of your joints and now you're sitting there talking only shit.

I totally understand that.

Two.

I talk too much, y'oll I do, and I'm not.

I'm not Doug's two times a week.

It's eight hours, eight hours of pop.

It's too many words.

Yeah, I need breaks from hearing my opinion on things every single thing I go in there and say, as soon as it's out, here's what Joe Budden thinks about y'all.

Oh yeah, I know you be.

Knowing the tea.

I mean, as soon as something happened, you already have talked about it.

That's how you know you're such a respective voice when it comes to speaking on music, because people get so upset with or say anything negative about their music.

Anything negative, that's just your opinion.

I never understand why people get so frustrated about other people's opinion.

Well, that's how you know you're a powerful person.

Yeah.

But let me ask you this though.

Do you feel like sometimes you be a little biased?

Probably?

Yeah, probably, but bias in what way?

Like I feel like sometimes because you have like a relationship with body, are like y'all cool in real life, you be more biased and like leaning towards them or leaning the other side.

You don't if you don't.

Like somebody, well for whatever reason, you you know what I'm saying.

That's one of the perks of being powerful.

Yeah, you can be like I can do what I want.

Some people go through the airport.

Some people get to go in the Delta club and have some almonds.

And you all got to go to the gate.

Look at me, Bill and you just one things about love being we love a little leaning, just a little bit.

I mean, I get that.

But like I said, at the same time.

Since you have such a powerful voice, especially in the hip hop community, sometimes I'd be like, damn, Joe, you need to go in there with a clean, blank slate and not be biased.

But how can you not be biased when you know people already?

That's easy for us because we don't even know a lot of people.

But I think once you build relationships and your friends with people in the year you might have had issues with other people, it's hard.

Isn't it hard to not be biased?

I think so too.

I think we ask a lot of podcasters.

Yeah, some of these people are dicks baying the scenes.

These people are jerk root for him.

But the bias for me, the biasness for me comes and not speaking.

About you, m M.

That's where it comes in.

Not nothing I say like some people because I love them and know them buying the scenes.

I'm not going to say a word.

I'm not gonna tell her what I would have to say.

I just am not going to.

Say, Oh now, I get it.

That makes a lot of sense.

Okay, you don't.

You never speak on us, and we be in controversy sometimes.

I love y'all, I know, because.

He never speaks on us.

We haven't done anything.

We be first of all, they attack us constantly on Twitter.

We always get well, we haven't been in a long time.

I was just talking to you out there about ship that we have experienced together, and he was mad and wanted me to shut up about it.

Yeah, because shut the hell up.

But that's my boy, and you better shut up.

I didn't say nothing.

All right, it's gonna get I'm finna act like but I'm just saying, that's part of the bias, right, Like, I don't talk about shut up.

I will say that you told him.

You told him that before we started filming, and he has been on his way.

That's what I'm saying.

I get a bad No, it's not that, because I mean, I'll say what we talked about.

I just feel like we have talked about it a lot.

Me and Joe y'all was talking about how like when back in the day when me and dre used to talk about bed b's and ship, and I'd be like, you know, drag teach the girls.

We need to know something.

How do I get that trip?

How I get a little one too?

Yeah?

And he was like, oh, we're gonna talk about it.

I'm like, you know, because I'm talking about you doing it in real life, not on air.

No, we because I feel like we have done that conversation a lot.

Yeah, but it's how many niggas was involved in it, I.

Mean, but we don't care to talk about it no more because I think that our brand has surpassed that.

Like, Okay, we get it.

We fuck with niggas with money, okay, whatever, we got the money.

Now.

I don't give a fuck about that shit no more.

That I feel when they try to talk about broke me.

Yeah, why we gotta talk about that?

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Shout out to y'all just hopped off the plane, had to come fright here.

I have to use them everywhere white.

Now, that's what I said.

I said, hmm.

We could have been rained, however to be frank this never this pussy, don't never stand get him everywhere white?

He did.

No, don't be telling people.

I know, y'all pussy.

It's gonna sound like y'all could be have a little I don't.

I don't know, Okay, don't, but it's not right.

There you go, because we use him everywhere white.

As soon as we got off that fly, give it to I ain't low.

He needs to get in the stood with you because I could be a writer as well.

Can you please write me a verse?

I just want to eat one time.

Just write me a verse.

I wanted this everybody that be podcasts And.

If you also want to eat bitches up like licks, you could also use it everywhere wives and make sure that she's smelling fresh before.

You eat it.

Let me know if you got to wipe it before I eat it too.

I feel like niggas no because you could smell it, because.

Why y'all use the white and then like sometimes because why smell like pomegranate?

You just cleaned up with that dill in that bitch, you ain't low, But I ain't mad at that?

Is that worse than.

Just coming in the room and just let me talk about it?

Put it down?

You know what?

Sometimes I like to mix it up and I love a wife that you use everywhere?

Me too.

So what's the big topic today?

Drey?

What are we talking about?

No, you're gonna get into it.

I ain't flipped my cards, bitch.

You need to okay, okay, okay today have you ever been doing?

But back to my topic?

That's and the topic the first she is still.

On the first.

Look you card, I've been trying.

Episode.

It's beating her down.

Girl, my girl, my me and my baby, my baby and my baby and my baby baby.

Look, he looks like you gotta dick you happy with I ain't gonna lie, Joe, lie, you look like.

You gotta dick that you are thrilled?

He what was that opposite?

Remember when Shante told her friends, man, she said, I'm sorry.

That I shouldn't call me get your ass.

You know, it was just she was very suspected that was left you alone.

Damn bitch, that's nasty work.

Okay, we're gonna talk about it.

Have you ever been doing your thing on a partner and like they couldn't finish, like you felt like they may be to like in their heads something was going on.

Then you was like, I gotta do this and it became like a not a gang, but it was like you were determined, Like have you ever been with them?

I never had a headstrong partner?

Yeah, mm hmmm.

So what did you do on that raids?

I don't remember because I don't remember my baby that I'm in love with now.

I don't remember any of the old period.

I'm old, I'm a dinosaur.

Okay.

Have you you ever let a woman blind followed you?

Okay?

I feel like it's a certain level of trust that has to go into that because you don't know what the fuck somebody gonna do.

If they put a blond fault on your ass, it doesn't matter what they tell you they're gonna do.

It's about the fact that now I'm not in control no more, especially if you're tied.

I don't like that.

But I've done that to know I don't like it.

Yeah, why don't you like it?

I'm I'm a hands free person when it comes down to see, if don't tie me up and send me there, I'm gonna get ntcy.

That's not gonna work.

My dig could be soft, it's not.

It's not happening.

Yeah, I mean, I don't have.

A but I feel like every guy.

I feel like every guy has that girl that.

I don't want to say turned them out, but taught him, taught him the dudes and the don'ts, the ropes, the facts of life.

You take the good, you take the bad, take them both in the yet when it comes to sex.

So that for me and you take them both in the ass.

No, they take the good, you take the bed.

You take them both, and then you have the facts of life.

So we didn't you know, he did not say that.

You did not hear that.

It did like job, Why did you love her like that?

I thought you was talking about her.

No, that's what I say.

She thought she was just into anal and I was shutting up.

No, she said she thought you said that.

You just okay, we're gonna move back to.

Life is one of the most popular old TV shows.

Child.

I would have never thought she was making an anal joke.

Okay, but I thought you was making an anal joke.

I've never been into that.

Really, we don't know that.

We didn't know that about the nineties.

Motherfuckers was into that.

That wasn't in the nineties.

You don't think they're still into it now.

I would know.

I'm forty five.

I don't know what he's with his baby.

In the nineties.

You stick your dick and somebody else.

They was gonna run all around the room.

It wasn't gonna be enjoyable.

She might start bleating.

It was, Oh my god, that's so.

Traumasized.

Nasty one on white sheet.

We still white.

I mean, I'm assuming the hotel, y'all in the hotel.

Well, you know white sheets are the best for your skin, because you know they say that, Yeah, you're supposed to have always the white.

You have to have about like four of them just on backup to rotate them and throw them in that thing.

Now.

But it's the official of running around with a bloody booty.

This grazy.

I hate too many beans for that, Joe.

I love a good baked bean.

Do you like beans?

I know?

Yeah?

I love people people who don't love beans.

I don't rock with them because you're really trying to stunt and be cool.

Everybody love a good bean.

Beans, pea, yeah.

I don't like peas though.

We talking about right peas?

Are we cream peas?

You like black eyed peas?

That is a pea?

Yeah, but.

You like black eyed bes.

Only on New Year's though.

All right, here's for good.

Look do you like Do you like lima beans?

No?

I love a good lama, so I don't.

I love a good lama beans.

I like chick peas.

Oh, now you're talking my line.

I like chidney beans.

That's like red beans, though, same thing.

I love a good red bean and not like black beans.

Okay, we gotta get back to the bed top of little to you like you like you.

Don't get the one that way were talking about without.

Liking Yeah, and you know what, beans be cool, But I just feel like beans make you gassy.

I say this all the time, like people who love beans, I know you be.

Farting well, yeah, you're supposed to fart well all the time.

Like I feel like if you eat beans a lot, you haven't in parts that you just can't control it.

Oreo beano.

But I mean, but chlorphil too.

When you when you take loraphyl, are you drink a lot of chlorophyl?

You're gonna pass that ship out.

Sometimes you gotta get that ship out, get them toxins out.

You f in front of your nigga, you know what.

I don't and if I have, it was like a mistake.

But he don't care, and he thinks that's so weird about me.

He'd be like he actually be like, stop doing that.

It's a little weird because I'll like walk out of the room.

Oh my god, all right, okay.

And he'd be like, you are childish.

I don't know.

I just be someone I don't know.

It's a thing.

I know we actually have talked about this because she'd be like she's gonna do it, she gotta doo.

No, now I've done it.

He I don't think he knew.

Oh okay, and I do the trick, which I talked about on the show before.

There's a tell him the trick.

The trick.

Yeah, you just gotta like lift the cheek up and like spread this.

You gotta like spread the cheeks so that it's solid.

And it's like, because the fart from this when room spread.

No, but if you under the cover, as long as he don't lift.

The cover up A no, Yeah, that cover gonna get lifted up and it's gonna bomb the house.

I feel like, farts go away and like give it twenty seconds?

Is going a long time?

Lexparts cause she be eating all the beans.

No, do it under the cover, my girl, baby girl, lex p now, yeah.

But I feel normal farts go away in like twenty seconds, Like you just let.

It out behind it sound so you can't hear that.

You can't hear that.

But what if it's quiet in the room, you can hear that.

No, you can't.

The TV should be on music TV something should be happy.

Fail to realize it's the cheeks that make the noise.

Now I do agree with that.

It's the cheeks that make it go, and this thing it makes it rumble.

I can't that's not I'm totally comfortable right now.

I'm in my element.

Okay, what do you mean your element?

I mean I'm we're humans right and.

Squirting?

Word, squirrel, you're still doing that squirting?

You know what he's still I think that's new to the massive Well, no, what's what?

What's Wharton came on?

That's that's that that has become citizens arrest.

But exactly squirting, Like, if you're like squirting, sometimes it's it's like you're trying to do a magic trick.

Calm down, It's like, you know, you can control that ship the normal pussy.

Yeah, do the normal little you know what I'm saying.

But that, Yeah, like when I go to get a pedicure and the lady like you want no, I want the regular chair.

I just said, bitch, I got white sheets.

I just said it was white cheek.

But but the thing is, if it's really squat, yo, she's gonna still be white.

Yeah, they might be a little yellow.

How.

I get far with out telling you about Yeah, oh my god.

Yeah, bitch, you nasty you are up here.

I'll be no, I mean, but like I agree with you.

It's just extra.

It's a magic trick and you don't have to perform it.

Calm down, who the yeah, yeah, wrap that puss up.

Hmmm, well okay.

I did have a question pertaining to the bed though, because I see this happen a lot, and I've had some homeboys told me that it works.

Like they'll like, you be having a conversation with the girl, and obviously you're not.

You know, you haven't dated in a while, you're in a relationship, but like men will be like, yeah, I don't come from here, just just so she can go like super hard and be like, yeah, I can make you come now.

The funny it is, I believe there's a lot of men that believe that.

Yeah.

Yeah, And you get the other side of that.

You get the men to say, I'm not a big head guy.

But you would I say that I'm not the biggest head guy.

But is it the truth?

Are you?

Like?

Would you tell girls that so they would go harder?

No?

Oh, you were just being.

Honest, Like you don't you want to know the truth?

And it's I'm probably shouldn't take this on your platform, but I'll say it.

The truth is, I don't think it's a high percentage of women that know how to do that at the best.

So most men's most a lot of men's experience, let me say that not most a lot of male experiences are bad head or I much rather be fucking you.

M like, let's get to something that's gonna make this not come out and not what you're doing down there, because it's relinquishing the control right like you at the mercy of her.

And if she don't know what you're doing, or she don't really know you, because we're in the era of fucking people you don't really know, then what you're gonna do.

Sex is about knowing your partner, knowing where to touch, knowing what to say, knowing.

It's about knowing.

So if we in the error just fucking strangers, know that nigga ain't gonna know how to eat pussy like your extra Juice with for five years, and know she ain't gonna know how to suck dick like your execus with for five years.

But I believe that you can like you can teach somebody you know the things you like.

That's why I believe in talking to your partner and telling them the things that you like.

Like.

Women have this thing of like faking and just being like performative.

Like I said, with the magic tricks, you doing all that you not even turned on.

You're just doing it to perform and show out instead of really talking to him and telling him, hey, I like this.

But men do the same thing.

It's part of intimacy, right, being able to have conversations about it, like what turns you on, what turned you off, what did you enjoy, what did you not enjoy?

And that's back to just practice of communication.

A lot of people are not having those tough conversations.

I agree.

I agree too.

I'll be talking now.

Yeah, I'm gonna get in my rocks.

No, yeah, I'm gonna tell you what I like and don't like.

You need to move over here a little bit, move overwhere what do you mean?

Hello?

Okay, all right, all right, all right, but yes, so now it's into.

The bop all the bob bow bow bow baw.

Okay.

So bop of the week is the songs that we've been jamming this week.

So we were talking about Mona Leo earlier.

I talked about her project before, but I really want to specifically talk about this song because, like I said, the album is like a gothic, you know, Southern real dark album.

And she has a song called Open the Gates and she's really like paying homage to her homegirls who have passed away, and she does a good job of like telling their story and how she.

Just like, you know, open the Gates.

I really miss my bitches Open the Gates.

I love a storyteller.

She tells a good story on this album.

Another song that I love is Dignified.

She tells like a drinking and driving story, because we don't talk about that in the.

Black community a lot.

You know, y'all need to stop drinking and driving.

UBA's is.

I don't give a fuck how much uber is take Uba, You know what I'm saying.

So those two songs really stuck out on the project.

To me, Open the Gates Dignified.

If you don't even listen to the whole project, listen to those two songs, shout out to my Girlma yo period.

All right, Drea, Yeah, So I'm going to highlight speaking of Houston girls.

Okay Can the Men her kind of famous deluxe album drops tomorrow, The Deluxe.

The Deluxe album drops tomorrow, which I know we talked about her album earlier this year when he dropped, But yeah, the DeLux drops tomorrow, So I'm just shouting out again.

Yeah, love Can.

She went on a crazy tour and that's hard to do.

Touring is hard.

Right now, it is crazy and we went packed.

We went to the Atlanta show and it was sold out.

They showed her so much look and we were just so proud of our girls.

Shout out to her and shout out to.

COOLi making it happen all the time.

Who is the Who is your favorite female rapper right now?

Like?

Who are you?

Like?

Yeah, Longevity, She's got it.

Like to the girl rappers, I don't.

I don't have a favorite, Okay.

Like I'm a fan of powerful female raps, like most of them.

Yeah, what did you think about?

Man?

I love Glow, I love Cardi, It's Nikki.

And then everybody hates each other.

I love Lotto.

Everybody hates who.

Everybody hates each other.

Everybody and it makes it hard because it's like you feel like if I'm praising this girl that I don't hate that other girl.

I just like this and I'm jamming this right now.

Yeah.

We always feel like we have to tread lightly on the show because we don't ever want people to feel like are we praising these persons, so that means that we hate Like, yeah, yeah.

What you've been jamming as of recently?

It can be all new.

Honestly, I've been listening to I did a lot of Jagged Edge on the way here, that's right.

But I'm still on the Kailani wave.

I've been listening to that Folded pack that she put out.

As a fan of I used to purchase MAXI singles.

HM.

So I love the Tony version of Folded hate that, Yeah, she killed.

I love the Neo version, the Tank version.

I saw you in Tank comments they was pissing off and he says, yo, if y'all don't put some of this ship out?

Is he?

So?

Yeah?

I think tonight said I was cracking, said yeah, I.

Think tonight her new song.

I think it's called by the Window.

I'm not sure I think that comes out tonight.

Klinie is just on an absolute tear.

K one.

I'm listening a lot of k One Destined Conrad.

I love him always, Dustin Conrad.

Yeah, same you you, I know it because you're deep in your bad with that Destin.

He is fire, big friends.

I like when I find some of the newer guys Isaiah Falls, Isaiah Haran, Okay, yeah, some guys out there, sir, of course.

Oh sir, Yeah, I mean that pen game is very, very very serious.

They out there.

Bryson, Bryson is killing fucking Chris like R and B is R and B is thriving and killing.

It's really on fire right now.

Now.

Let me ask you this, what did you think about Carti's album?

Loved it?

Yeah, I loved it.

What is your review on it?

Eight out of ten?

Okay, I like it.

I thought her first album was a classic.

I thought it deserved to win the Grammy that it did, and this was a good follow up.

I think it took too long in between.

But the music that you put out, it's quality music.

And so do you feel like though I.

Ain't say ship when you all was out of your fucking mind, I didn't.

Worse.

Yeah, I didn't say nothing.

Cardi said some ship on that project, and I'll be in New York I'll be in New York.

Strip clubs, right, You do you love Era?

Time is a classic?

You a strip club veteran.

Yeah, But let me ask you this though, because I know you have a friendship with Nikki though, so do you feel kind of like because they got their deep their beef is real, real deep, So do you kind of feel like.

But I'm not see, that's where it's out of my ministry.

I support both of them as a New Yorker.

So in two thousand and seven, when my god brother showed me a video of Nicki Minaj rapping in Queens like the mag video that went around when she was rapping in the short shorts in Houston, I was like, Okay, So to see her go from that to where she is.

Same with Cardi, I was in the strip clubs to see her go from that to this, to see glob Really, I like the story.

I like the story.

I like to see somebody I think it's talented start in one place and kill that shit and end up somewhere totally different.

So I'm not in that.

I'm not a stand I'm a fan of the music and if the people are cool, I'll fuck with them.

But other than that I'm not with the back and forth and Caddy, that's that's that's not that's not for me.

But do you think it's annoying just because of the position that you're in.

I feel like people always want you to peak aside.

Well, yeah, anything negative I say about anybody, they act like you never said anything positive.

So yes, it's tricky.

Yes it gets tough, but I'm always on the side of the music.

I love the music, not the people, So I'm not going to pick people.

I'm not doing that.

Whoever got to slap out whoever album I think is harder, Yeah, that's probably the side.

And if you're both killing, then there's a watch for me.

Now it's time to get into our every segment of the shot, which is pour your heart out.

You have any way, questions, testimonials, anything, ask for minds at gmail dot com.

That's as k p O you are in my nds at gmail dot com.

Are you a good advice giver?

I think so?

Okay, Hydrea and Les, I need some advice.

I've been with an aquaries man for almost four years.

I treated him like a king, cooked, clean, stay loyal.

I am a me and my men type and I even have my own business and even go to school.

Everything was fine until one day he told me he doesn't feel the same anymore.

Now he's decent, turns off his location, and we still live together.

My friends keep telling me to focus on myself, but it's hard because I love him and I would do anything for him.

How do you heal from something like this?

Answer?

You answer, oh shit, Well, nothing like that ever happened to me.

I had motion, Okay, now she ain't.

Got no motion, yo.

I wake My partner would wake up one day talking about I don't feel like you.

Are you shitting't me?

Okay, go get a rescue dog.

Hey, go get you a little animal or something else.

Past the time, And I mean, what the fuck?

U Joe saying you're a loser.

No, I'm saying.

I'm saying, don't waste your time with a man that don't feel like you feel.

There's too many men out of here, So get you a dull Yorky or something into one of them.

Niggasyah mean, do the right.

Thing, especially if you're living with somebody and they treating you like that.

I'm not he moving soon.

You don't know sh she don't have no idea.

She's writing us, Hey, we live together.

The girl he is down there backing.

I'm sorry, I'm not let me stop, poor mind.

I say that when they write into my show.

I read the problem and be like, see this is the damn problem you writing to me and.

Us can't even take Josees right now because he was like, ra on it.

Oh ship.

Love and hip hop episode.

We have hip movie, Joe.

Oh my god, I think you know what I'm saying.

I love you first of all.

We love whatever you love in the house.

Nail it down.

He's gonna take your favorite pot, bitch.

You like that, you like the cooking.

I think he's gonna take something to mean something to that pot.

Grandma gave you family.

Like pot that.

If you call me one more time.

Don't know, no respect?

Yes, yes, hello?

And we leave boy anyway.

And before we go, because we y'all were talking about this on the right this time, what's what's your advice?

You can give advice.

I'm not gonna give none because I read the question.

Well, I just felt like, I mean, I agree with Joe.

I feel like there's too many men out here into like be living.

Your house is supposed to be your sanctuary where you feel good and you're going home to a nigga that don't like you.

Let's move on.

I agree, let them go be free.

Sometimes you gotta go pop that pussy a little.

Bit, Joe.

Let's talk about your head shape.

What it's a good thing.

I'm trying to compliment you, cameras.

You do have a good head shake.

That's all I wanted to see.

Such a great time.

This has been one of my favorite guest spots that I've even done with two of my favorite podcasters, all genres, all genders.

Only.

How God please me for the blessing games to me.

I see everything clear.

Now talks dogs s bell without my girl.

I was losing and I pray it.

He just ses his grave home me to be back from.

Feel like I got the walk right out of the heaven.

I feel like, damn it, all my life away like a child that lost.

Don't want to do She know every word that she was in the house crying.

Man, y'all got to sing a verse.

Go ahead, I just stunt with you, like check my came.

Okay, that's all right now.

I did, I did, I did, I did

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