[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is happening.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is the launch of a new podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: Technically, even though this is kind of a evolution of one that's been going on for over a decade.

[SPEAKER_01]: In case you haven't seen any of the recent updates to the feed, if you didn't see the trailer we put out, maybe you haven't noticed the logo has changed on your podcast app.

[SPEAKER_01]: Goose buds is now stories at stick and very excited about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want to tell you before you, before you stop listening, if you're here for goose bumps, goose buds is still happening.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's still happening.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk more about it in a minute.

[SPEAKER_01]: But let me talk to you about stories at stick.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've been really lucky to be out in Los Angeles writing for cartoons and comic books and games for over a decade around the time I started goose buds.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I realized like while I also [SPEAKER_01]: I really get a lot of energy out here from talking to fellow creatives and artists and aspiring people not about the project where maybe necessarily working on because we're just so in it that we can't really enjoy it and they were a little burnt out but talking about like the original art the media that moved us the stuff that stuck to us and I realized that was kind of what got me into doing goose buds in the first place was goose bumps are all science books [SPEAKER_01]: Residated with me, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: They released stuck to me and look, this is what horror can be.

[SPEAKER_01]: It can be kind of funny and weird and crazy And that was one aspect of me and it still is still means a lot to me But as the show kept going on and we realized maybe not every goosebumps book is good I'm sorry, RRL.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you're gonna kill me, you've lost your chance to do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm moving on uh [SPEAKER_01]: What motivated me to become a writer?

[SPEAKER_01]: What like a originally inspired me is that overlap with goosebumps with other media, other movies, other comic books, other games.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have a huge list of stuff that I would love to talk about with guests if they resonate with them as well, but also wanna hear more like motivates them.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is what stories it's tick will be.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's having friends on, it's having colleagues on, it's having guests on people that I admire and am using this as a chance to talk to them about like, what is the seed of your creative heart?

[SPEAKER_01]: right or really what is one part of it just give us a one piece of the puzzle and let's talk about that and then can we also look and see what your work has been and how does it affect it right what is the the nugget of that I love talk about that when I watch movies and TV shows and read books I'm kind of trying to do like a post crime scene investigators like oh I wonder if you was pulling from this story in the past because I feel like I see a reference there and you know like I worked under [SPEAKER_01]: The Master Gamble del Toro, it's not just a name drop on troll hunters, and that he was constantly pulling an obscure 70s horror film or like a really great indie comic book that was motivating all of his creative choices.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then he'd make it his own.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that was so cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: I felt I resonated and did the same with the things myself.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was as smart and as cool as Guillermo del Toro was with that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think that happens for a lot of people and I want to talk more about those folks.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, that being said, our first guest is the amazing Ed Scutter.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've known Ed for over a decade.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love him.

[SPEAKER_01]: I met him at one of my first jobs out here in L.A.

[SPEAKER_01]: at the Santa Mason Studio, six point harness, and Ed was this like wonder kid.

[SPEAKER_01]: he already was just like making these animated shorts that were so funny and action packed and he's just turning flash to this other medium of quality.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll be honest, he was so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was a little bit like intimidated and skeptical of that because usually people who are that talented and skilled at that early of an age suck.

[SPEAKER_01]: They just like, they become the like, Kobe Bryant's of the world or just like, well, I'm a god and everyone else needs to get out of my way.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, I've come in for you, like your fans, sorry, Kobe Bryant's dead, but I'm still going to insult him.

[SPEAKER_01]: What am I doing?

[SPEAKER_01]: Ches is the intro to a podcast, but Ed is not Kobe Bryant, Ed is just good as that basketball player.

[SPEAKER_01]: He might even be a Michael Jordan, but he's humble and sweet and so exciting about like new ideas and welcomes collaborators.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a really special did, and I think it's one of the reasons why I've, you know, been his friend for so long as I want to be around him and, and absorb his good energy and I'm really lucky to have him in my life considering a good friend of mine.

[SPEAKER_01]: I, I may be ordained his wedding.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty, pretty proud of getting to do that, but Ed's an amazing dude.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're listening to this, I don't know if I tell you that enough, man.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think I try to tell you during the podcast, but [SPEAKER_01]: You're like a real, you're a real G-O-A-T man.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're a real goat.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't ever use the phrase goat.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're a real goat.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why am I sabotaged in the intro to this podcast?

[SPEAKER_01]: You're still listening, maybe, maybe you're gonna tolerate these awful sides.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ed is done amazing bunch of stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: He first got started.

[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't just just start it, but he really blew up to prominence online when we were working together with that animation studio.

[SPEAKER_01]: He created this animated series called Dick Figures, which was taking silly, simple stick figures and then animating them on an epic scale and giving them big action set pieces and [SPEAKER_01]: tons of internet humor, and I don't know, all of Ed's genius shine through a very simple format like that, they made like 100 episodes.

[SPEAKER_01]: When they launched the movie, it was the biggest crowd funding animated project of all time at that point.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure something else is a clips to then.

[SPEAKER_01]: But Ed went on to that.

[SPEAKER_01]: He co-created the spin-off of the Lego movie called The Uniquity, and he was really kind of to hire me as a story editor on it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Had a blast working with him.

[SPEAKER_01]: over at Warner Brothers and then I'm not surprised at all he became head of story on the Super Mario Brothers movie which came out made a billion dollars resonated with the entire generation and now he's working on the next one and I'm so like happy to talk to him all the time we have movie nights and we geek out over some obscure film and [SPEAKER_01]: kind of get inspired by it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I hope some of that goes across into this episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's also hope about microcosm of what I think this show can be, uh, along with other guests and other topics.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I have some funs lined up in the future that I'm really, really excited about too.

[SPEAKER_01]: That being said, the best way to help and, uh, shape the show, the directed is going on the Patreon.

[SPEAKER_01]: along with that is where Goosebuds is.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Goosebuds will continue as a format with my social producer and my partner Jacqueline Heidi Quant, who is an amazing comedian, and she's also even bigger fan of YA novels than me.

[SPEAKER_01]: We often just talk about this stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: on the side, like in our normal day-to-day lives, and I think you're going to really like her presence as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'm sorry, Paul and Kevin died in a fanboat accident or I'd have them back on.

[SPEAKER_01]: But genuinely, because you have no, Paul and Kevin just wanted to go pursue other creative projects.

[SPEAKER_01]: I still love them dearly.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're all in great terms.

[SPEAKER_01]: I hope they'll come back and do some guest episodes, especially with this new format.

[SPEAKER_01]: But Goosebeds will still be a bonus episode every month for Patreon, along with another bonus episode of Campfire Hang with me and the production team, like the editor Ben, going over the new media and our lives, stuff that we're excited about.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe future stories at Stick, answering community questions.

[SPEAKER_01]: You get access to all those bonus episodes, our Discord, you can vote on what we're going to cover next.

[SPEAKER_01]: All on patreon.com slash stories at Stick.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you're already on the Goosebeds Patreon, that's the Patreon.

[SPEAKER_01]: just change the URL, change some of the names, you're already there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is stories that stick, it's really honest, I've been podcasting for over a decade and it's scary to make a new change.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I really appreciate all of you that have like supported me and stuck with me on this and this transitioning to the show, the discord community has been so awesome to talk about it, we've kind of like changed a few of the ideas about the show would be and like it's really good to have a collective of folks.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wayne and on that and supporting and also giving feedback.

[SPEAKER_01]: If there's anything about this new show you like, please give me feedback.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, be nice about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Please like you can constructive criticism.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can email me at stories at stickpod at gmail.com.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can weigh in on the Patreon.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can get on the discord.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to hear what stuff you're digging, what stuff it's not resonating with you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I talked on too much.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really excited about this episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: Enjoy Ed.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love him dearly.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is a fun conversation about a movie independent day that is actually still pretty good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's kind of imperative as a dumb film and knocked down a bunch of the decades, but still pretty damn good.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just, I might say this is in the podcast, but I would encourage [SPEAKER_01]: not fixating on the last two decades of bad knockoff films of Independence Day, including ones that Roland Emerick later made, and looking back at this one as like, I think this movie is a really good cheeseburger.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like a sloppy, not fancy cheeseburger that really makes you go like, God damn, this place is good.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then you go, it's like, other burger places that are trying to remake that burger.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they're just not as good.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're just like a little bit more force or sloppier with the ingredients and I don't know like the bun keeps sliding off and then makes you kind of go like what's that original cheeseburger ever that good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think this is a pretty goddamn good cheeseburger Is that enough of them metaphor about American nationalism and fighting aliens and all this movie rocks.

[SPEAKER_01]: I had a great time talking about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you all for listening to this intro.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into the episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love you all.

[SPEAKER_01]: Stories of Stick.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going.

[SPEAKER_01]: Chu Chu, we're on the train.

[SPEAKER_01]: Track about a four.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love you all.

[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let me welcome you my guest and the listener to stories that stick the official First official episode of a show.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've been kind of doing for a while anyway I'm your host Chad Quant.

[SPEAKER_01]: I am joined by one of my favorite creatives I consider you a very good friend and Loved knowing you and Ella.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I'm saying goodbye to you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm learning how to make it very nice.

[SPEAKER_00]: You legit [SPEAKER_01]: Ed, he was so wonderful, so shame he died right after this podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ed, Ed Scutter, an amazing animation director, writer, musician.

[SPEAKER_01]: You've already heard his opening theme to this podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I forgot I did it already.

[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude [SPEAKER_01]: like you'll you'll be like we worked on like unity and you'd be working all night on our show and then you're like Also just made like a synth album on the side.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how you do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It keeps the darkest away, you know?

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that might be good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Look at so, you know, and you've heard the general format of this is I'm inviting guests and friends to come on and tell me about an art, an art that one art, one art that really inspired them a story that stuck.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, it's funny when I launched the podcast, I was like, have we're gonna have like some real deep stories.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna have like some some some novella's and that sort of thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what what is the first one we're doing independent stay?

[SPEAKER_01]: You're goddamn right.

[SPEAKER_01]: ID's a classic as it's sometimes known.

[SPEAKER_01]: I, I like that the abbreviation stuck throughout the years.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was reading a little bit like I guess there was like a marketing thing where they didn't think they could get the rights for a while.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like while they were at the movie, they know that they can get into Penn and Stays.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that was part of the ID for branding.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then finally they heard that speech from the president.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, yeah, we gotta do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: We gotta do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: We gotta do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's in the same vein as like Edge of tomorrow, which is now some kind of noted.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: We had lived our repeat.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was the third title because it originally, I love that original title.

[SPEAKER_01]: All you need is kill.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is such a good title.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, lived I repeat is like, they put it in the DVD cover as if it was the title.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like all the posters, like the cash phrase and then and it throws like a tiny little time in the corner.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny enough, Edit's more out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe think of after this, we watch it was like, oh, the day after tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_01]: that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, another element means nothing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just saying two days from now, but what a memorable title?

[SPEAKER_00]: What am I entitled?

[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't really got just like the movie doesn't mean anything, but it's very catchy.

[SPEAKER_01]: We could talk about also role in Amherick's things.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of fascinated.

[SPEAKER_01]: This film is like the progenitor, I feel like of the last 30 years of blockbusters.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's like maximalist blockbuster filmmaking.

[SPEAKER_00]: the first one, and they entered with a bang.

[SPEAKER_01]: The fucking crush.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's like the launch is a bunch of careers.

[SPEAKER_01]: I, I, before we get into them, I wanna hear like, Ed, what is like your history with this movie?

[SPEAKER_01]: Why you picked this film?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this, I feel like I'm always, this is like my guilty pleasure movie all the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone will ask like, what's your one of your favorite movies?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I love me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some Nolan's of Spielberg.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like some some criteria, you know, but deep down, I'm a blockbuster scumbag who likes popcorn and explosions.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing wrong with that too.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing wrong with that too.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing wrong with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Seriously.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just got into the fast and furious movies right lately.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've been having a great time.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're fantastic.

[SPEAKER_00]: How far into it are you how far in the in the in the lineage I think I've only missed like one or two of them I think I've seen like nine or ten or something.

[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen fast five.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's only drag a safe.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's my favorite one out of all.

[SPEAKER_00]: That one's fantastic.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, if you're jumping around crying, are you doing chronological like a timeline order?

[SPEAKER_00]: Not even close.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just whatever is the vibe.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just pick one and watch and it doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it comes across in your order watching it, but like as someone who loved the fast and furious movies, I think I watched all of them as they came out and then the franchise is just going.

[SPEAKER_01]: downhill five was like you saved it like it just like he had like for the fast and the furious or whatever like stinks, it's awful, letty dies until they bring her back later with Anisha and just kidding.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just kidding.

[SPEAKER_01]: About like five was just like what what happened?

[SPEAKER_01]: What I love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love all these people.

[SPEAKER_01]: The rocks cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like what's going on?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, dude, five ribs five is fantastic.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think my favorite thing to say about any movie.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I want out of a movie.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's, you want to do the reverse of, I keep sending it to you at every time I see it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you basically may like a viral movie post, but no one knows you made of like a really cute illustration.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so jealous, I think, go with you to that movie because like everyone in that meme is friends of mine.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Cartoon versus a few, and like Lynn and Brock and Bacale and everyone.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go into the movie like Ras Ras Ras and then coming out really bothered and bummed and it's like, what movie made you feel that way?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll post it on the just what was the was Aliens the original was the god was his name the guy who did monsters and The Krueger Godzilla Garth Edwards.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Godzilla Yeah, with Ryan Kranson.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like to that that first like 15 minutes of Godzilla where it's just Kranson rocks and then they're like Always dead [SPEAKER_01]: And then movie die too, we're out of that.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good way to compare it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, speaking of Godzilla, that one is following role numbers follow up to this movie.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get us back on on.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, on Godzilla.

[SPEAKER_01]: He does Godzilla after this.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you notice the Will Smith kids holding a King Gadora toy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Was he causing a shot back then?

[SPEAKER_01]: Prophecy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I recall Godzilla, the world never went kind of stinking.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's kind of famously, yeah, it was kind of a piece of shit, but they also tried a lot of cool stuff and there was like another really cool blend of old and new visual effects.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it was one of those, like, really amazing stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: We use computers.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, well, so this film does that too.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was so stoked on how like clearly ton of CG stuff, but like so much of its models.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is like kind of like the last great miniature blockbuster, but they also had computers and kind of just smashed everything together.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it uses almost every single type of visual effect available at the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is there any stop motion in it?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's so much that I might be dealing with when they're missing.

[SPEAKER_01]: But there's like, yeah, there's like some of the aliens are just clearly like a practical effects.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and they're, you could see like, there's almost like strings you can see of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just move them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, laying around.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I fucking love it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, one of the reasons actually that this movie stuck with me was, I used to watch it all the time as a kid.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And like, we, we bought the VHS because I'm a thousand years old.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they just come and back down dude.

[SPEAKER_00]: I, I, that's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And my parents like realize that it was like watching this movie all the time and I was like so curious about how they made it I was like looking at all the effects and planes explosions and they actually bought me a hard cover It was like a Christmas present is like a hard cover book that was the making of independent stay [SPEAKER_00]: and it was like interviews with the cast and the writing process.

[SPEAKER_00]: But tons of stuff on like all of the effects and like interviews with the the visual effects supervisors and like CG producers.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I had no idea when any of those jobs work because I was like 12 years old or something.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it always stuck with me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, whoa, they like, they did fucking everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: And there's all these little models and they're blowing up cars and little eight foot buildings.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it looks fucking great.

[SPEAKER_00]: It really holds up.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just watched it again a couple of days ago.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm saying it will really so weak effect, dude, but my favorite sheet effect, I didn't realize it until I looked up to online is so much as your models is when Randy, and we'll get into the journal plot summary to go over, but like when Randy quates sacrifice himself and flies into the alien death laser.

[SPEAKER_01]: The laser that blows up, if you look at it, it is an inverted effect of the tower in Los Angeles to get blown up.

[SPEAKER_01]: The one that has the welcome aliens.

[SPEAKER_01]: They literally took that same model, flipped it, and just covered it in an fire, and it's in there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it reused that effect.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's so cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, they're so scrappy.

[SPEAKER_00]: The whole thing was just like fast and furious, and they're just like shot from the hip.

[SPEAKER_00]: the way it houses like a one-take thing they had like one model of the blood.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I hadn't thought about that yet.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, how did they blow?

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess they just blew up a little tired of you pyro like techniques, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they uh, I think they like they prepped with that one and there was like 120 people on set when they shot it, the model costs upwards like 50 grand at the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, we like one of these, there's no time to build another one, no money for another one, so we have to get it right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and they like were out in the desert somewhere and just blew up I think it was like 30 feet wide or something It was a gigantic show.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great.

[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like the White House dude.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know the most iconic shots in American cinema Yes, and like that movie poster alone just like ID4 and the White House is exploding with UFO over it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah It's crazy because you don't show that.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's like your money shot or whatever of the film.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, it got everyone in theaters Yeah [SPEAKER_01]: It's great.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's part of the reason I'm so drawn to this movie and other droop movies like it is that it had just such striking visual iconography.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, the White House exploding giant UFOs over Los Angeles.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think the well-aliens people or as I can see, everyone always talks about.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: The aliens themselves, do you, I don't know, you scared to hell out of me as a kid.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, like all the area 51 shit and they're like operating on it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It goes like horror for a five minutes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Did you know I I am a sucker for the trope of aliens inside bigger alien like Accessing love men in black and that little guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_01]: The aliens in a rise.

[SPEAKER_01]: Dude.

[SPEAKER_01]: The weird the the will Smith parallels in this and then I think that somebody was like should I do another alien movie.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah, of course.

[SPEAKER_01]: You do well men in black.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the aliens at the alien, I would see if I could find the quote for it, but I was reading.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so the aliens production designer Patrick, to top of us, presented role in Emwork with two concepts for the aliens.

[SPEAKER_01]: Emwork, like both designs so much, he came with the idea to use one design as the actual alien.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the other be a bio-mechanical suit the aliens could wear.

[SPEAKER_01]: What a great, like, ah!

[SPEAKER_00]: Just put it together.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was watching another interview with Roland Emmerick, and I love the way he thinks about this stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is actually part of the reason I think the iconography of this movie has stuck so well.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I love what this movie is as a concept because I feel like it is at its bones, a pulpy 1950s Shalaki sci-fi film.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a lot of little green man and suits and like the The army has to go fight them like that could be the stupidest movie ever made But let's see that with a hundred million dollars and I remember he was talking about the aliens if he said The audience will expect to see you know your classic little green man with like the bug eyes And they're all stringpay guys and they're like like he said he saw the designs and he was like that's so boring [SPEAKER_00]: so he's like let's do some fucking crazy stuff that you have to open the first time to see these aliens are horrifying and strange and new and then and then eventually you've the audience is a twist they are the little goobers they're the lord guys everything is real and you know they never answer it presumably Randy quade is probed by those aliens so yeah and the movie's lore i think that's like uh it's canon i guess [SPEAKER_01]: I was like was there another set of aliens that came by you know and those are the ones he never gets to see one and goes you're the guy Like you did it you did it that you right there.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, oh, they kind of kissed or whatever They still got a glove on [SPEAKER_00]: I kept this glove, you're exam glove.

[SPEAKER_00]: You did great.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess he'd been around since like the 50s or whatever they crash when they're Roswell, but I think actually the Roswell shit too.

[SPEAKER_00]: They they play so much with like the tropes of alien.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, like the the ships are 15 kilometers wide, but they're it's a flying saucer.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's pretty good on the moon.

[SPEAKER_00]: They say at some point.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like [SPEAKER_00]: I'm taking this in scale, but like really simple and trope, so I love that they take something so familiar to the audience and then can make something awesome and high budget and bonkers out of it, but you kind of like still get it, like yeah it's like army plans fighting flying sauces.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dude.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, and it's such a brilliant idea.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think I was reading a quote of like Emwork and like Devlin, the writer, talk about how like, oh, every alien movie is always just like, little pot, little green man, like you said, right, or like, they eject themselves into you now because like, you know, pod people.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if there had been just a, it's so dumb American blockbuster of just like, what if a big?

[SPEAKER_01]: What if it would be a big?

[SPEAKER_00]: What a big what a big dude so many planes so many extras so many characters There's like no main character.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like a ton of fucking people a ton of planes ton of cars explode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah It's fun of everything.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: You say Paul too.

[SPEAKER_01]: I saw it was pitched as Pulp fiction meets war the world's [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, fantastic.

[SPEAKER_01]: Even the virus thing is war of the world, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: It was just as close to Jeff Goldblum having an idea out of nowhere.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, I think the original was just like Aliens got sick.

[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't even do anything.

[SPEAKER_01]: We just naturally protected by germs.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's as the 90s they're like, what if it's sick but like on a floppy disk?

[SPEAKER_00]: mid tier writing from Roland and Dean.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know if the writing could be at all works.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it was doesn't need to be like, they're saying what you need to hear them say, and then you're just waiting for the next explosion, and it's kind of like, who cares?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're all kind of like big flat tropes, but yeah, but really well-made.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love Jeff Goldblum's.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's all 90s like Hacker generic stuff when he gets the signal.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you can see on his paper is just ones and zeroes.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like He's not only binary by hand.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not an audio form or anything and he's like it's a countoutal.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's decreasing as a signal This computer just filled it like matrix code and barcode is actually it's like [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't make sense that code would just be like raining down, but it looks fucking cool, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he opens his laptop and it's a big timer and some like tech shit and you're like, I get it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he's smart, we should walk through like the general.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have to describe every scene of this movie and it pops around so much.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do think you're just saying that I'd like, I think this really started a trend that Emmeric also just done in everyone of his movies of like this is just about 12 different stories.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then like Paul fiction, how do they how do they tie into each other, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like the Vicki Fox is driving a truck through destroying Los Angeles and who's she went into the first ladies playing the one down.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a weird tiny love story between the president, the first lady that gets about two seeds as she died.

[SPEAKER_01]: I felt so bad that I get it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a movie when they find, would really have Fox Fiance or Will Smith, girlfriend, or fiancee, he's got to put a ring on it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he finds her, and Mary McDonnell is the first wife, is the first lady, is just like, got one door over her.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, oh, I'm so, I'm so weak.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then she goes to the hospital, and she's immediately dies.

[SPEAKER_01]: As soon as she has been met her, and I do love him like lying to her and then her immediately calling on it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where are they touching scene for how little you've seen these two people and you don't care at all But then like the scenes really executed and I'm like, oh, yeah, and then like may women the little girl, you know Uh, and the old from rest of development Um, is like a little, yeah, a little daughter and she's like feelings like his mommy's sleeping is like, yeah Mommy's like my god, cuz every time July 4th is now happened like that kind of the first lady's been killed Yeah, you panor at on the couch and I'm sitting there bawling my eyes out [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that's uh, I'm blanking on his day.

[SPEAKER_01]: I could look uh, I just think I'm his lone star from Spaceballs, the president in this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Bill Paulman, president, president, president, like probably one of the best American movie presidents of all time, for sure, apex president.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's walking around D.C.

[SPEAKER_01]: eating other lower presidents to become more powerful.

[SPEAKER_01]: I loved him in this.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is stark to me that his wife is my favorite fictional president.

[SPEAKER_01]: Mary McDonald, and if you've ever seen Belle Star Galactica, we are watching it right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're out of season two and she my pants.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you already know she's the president of the human race Yeah, she's so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's so she's my favorite actress and that whole thing one of my favorite characters.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's so good This shows amazing.

[SPEAKER_01]: We could talk about that one.

[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't even seen the whole thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to do that So season two of that is I don't want to spoil like where yeah, what's kind of happening around there?

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you at like the Afghanistan stuff?

[SPEAKER_00]: We're on like episode one or two of season two.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay real real early in there There's definitely some storylines.

[SPEAKER_01]: I won't spoil for you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I wear like, oh, this is very much like after 9-11 Doing some pretty radical Parallel storytelling we're like [SPEAKER_01]: We're not just going to America's the best Ra Ra Ra like can you imagine if humans needed to fight back and do more like guerilla tactics that we don't know because this is yeah to bring back to the Penn State this is all Ra Ra American power Yeah, one of my I love how much I get why the US love this but like the American military's doing the heavy lifting on this [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all of the countries are like just completely cooked in America's like follow us bro.

[SPEAKER_01]: We got it Yeah, there's that scene where like midway through The Americans have like made radio contact with like Lebanon where there's like a British guy and And the no one's could speak the same languages and they're like more scorer whatever Yeah, some of the radio most code the Americans have a plane is like by Jojo about time they did because we had no idea What to do with our governments [SPEAKER_00]: All of their armies aren't going to bunker and the cramlins like under a rain cloud or whatever It's like dying in the world in America's bright and sunny and full of bombs.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah later later on the general like bill Girl general William Gray it says that after they kind of blow the the the Area 51 mothers ship they're like send that crew to the other countries little know we know how to beat them It's like they don't they don't got anything [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's fantastic.

[SPEAKER_00]: I also love that it was written by a German guy and like made by like most of your opinions [SPEAKER_01]: That's a really interesting point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're audience.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and the genus dude, yeah, you probably were like the genus is of this movie is so frustratingly simple, where I think they're like in an interview they're promoting Stargate, which I've never seen.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Stargate's fantastic.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I gotta see Stargate now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, it's a weird movie, but it's very cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's like there's that era and I guess it's this two were like sci-fi and like late nineties really 2000s was kind of like what if the military got into sci-fi?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this one's like just to the one place, the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a multiple, I've never seen the show.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've only ever seen parts of the show, and that's why I think it kind of blew it off.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just like different coded stuff where the American, the propaganda is like, I mean, I want to say when I go into it, I thought there'd be a little bit like, is this going to be kind of gross now of like, what Michael Bay does badly now of like, [SPEAKER_01]: just full on glazing the US military like it's like a little much yeah it's not even about transformers anymore he's like well i learned about halo jumpers now i just want to do a sequence by halo jumpers the military's great guys they never do anything wrong like y'all just sign up yeah i i think maybe because this is just such an uh a foreign threat and maybe because i don't speak English that the septicans doesn't feel as much of a a war crime going on [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a war crime on behalf of all of humanity so we're all cool with it.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's I don't really transformers you've seen it There's like the third movie.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're just committing to septicon war crimes [SPEAKER_01]: I think I've listed like water two of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: The dark are the moons the fun one because it's so out of nowhere But there's a poor like the Autobots are captured in Chicago and the septicons are like have them hostage And are making them like get on their knees and their hands behind their back as they won by one like a shoot them in the back of the head like What are the most action movie?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like you hear the like there's a while shy a little bunch in the corner like crying and watching It has most like we kind of sell these toys, man, whatever you want [SPEAKER_01]: I keep bringing up the shelves.

[SPEAKER_01]: I keep bringing to other movies, that's because I want to talk to you about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I think this movie really is.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can feel it's like DNA and everything going after it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it like it spawned so many different spin-offs and genres and like copycats.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was really like kind of like the ground zero for.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fire is an Hollywood.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I'd like Will Smith would not be Will Smith without this movie.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think like dude Two two catchphrases and one scene welcome to earth.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I call a close encounter right after one another [SPEAKER_00]: Say it was the aliens.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, Dupo, Dupo.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, apparently they say a lot of this stuff is like improvised, we're like, when he's dragging the corpse after, and he's like, going through the solve, which is an amazing location.

[SPEAKER_01]: That solve flats are so iconic in this game.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that they went back to the sequel to the solve flats, there's like one point where he's dragging the alien and he's like, what is that smell?

[SPEAKER_01]: And that was like an actual line because they just like, yes, like the solve flats smell really bad because of dying like shrimp or something.

[SPEAKER_01]: But so many little improvised things, yeah, let's have a Will Smith, because he doesn't show up in this film until 20 minutes in.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like you would think he'd be first guy on screen, but yeah, he's like common afterthought.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh shit, right.

[SPEAKER_00]: We gotta introduce this guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you've met I think most of the main characters at this point and he's like the last one to show up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I kind of loved that like his way in is the last guy to know about it too.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I love that scene of waking up in Los Angeles.

[SPEAKER_01]: They thought they felt in earthquake.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's like going about his day and it's he's not until he goes on like what gets the paper.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like all the neighbors are moving away.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, oh, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: What a crazy board it.

[SPEAKER_00]: They look crazy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, like that's an amazing scene.

[SPEAKER_01]: And kind of like, make mealy and deers you to this guy of like being behind on it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like that little kids.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I'm shooting aliens.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, is this junior?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, funniest joke in this movie is around that time when the aliens have started to peer over all the cities and it cuts to the news where it's like residents of Los Angeles advice to not fire their guns into the air that the UFOs.

[SPEAKER_01]: You might inadvertently start to do planetary war.

[SPEAKER_00]: Or yeah, I think that's just like those bullets are going to land on some poor innocent would such a like hell.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Los Angeles man, let's goddamn go.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, 90s LA does [SPEAKER_00]: Oh shoot the aliens but it's funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Will Smith's entire character is like a vehicle to get us into a fighter jet And I feel like that's rather part of the movie where it's getting him to a plane Yeah, that's in that's the only reason he's like in the film and the film and at this point or at 20 minutes is like, all right Well, we got to start getting some some some military stuff going so shit Let's give us Smith in there and here he goes [SPEAKER_01]: He fucking racks it, dude.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I was very curious to know afterwards, like, oh, yeah, this was like his film.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like, Emery called him like Mr.

charisma or something because he was just popping on this.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a version of this where they didn't plan for Will Smith to blow up the way he did in this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's just another one of like the Randy Quaid or like Randy Quaid's kids keep getting introduced.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's nothing to do with them, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like he can feel like all their stuff got cut out.

[SPEAKER_00]: was random as characters.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're just like driving around and puking and filming.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's like one mini scene where like the girls making out with a guy in a car and they plaza.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she's got nothing in this, but like, and side note, the older brother, worst possible actor of all time, no shade to whoever he is, but like, oh, the one who's like, damn, damn, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I got a worst, I got a worst actor for this.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think, I think Harry kind of junior in this fucking stinks.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's awful.

[SPEAKER_01]: in this there's like a it's a movie with a wide range you know they've got some some real stars they've got a few stinkers all like he's impressions like he's just doing it like a Reverend Jesse Jackson thing out of nowhere oh my god at least the layman for like two seconds no then he dies and you're like great now we'll Smith has like for a year [SPEAKER_01]: I have a theory, what I was watching this movie, reading a little bit of how much like Smith and Goldblum and everyone improvised stuff, I have a theory that Harry kind of junior was in this going like, I'm the comic relief, I'm gonna be the most beloved character in this whole movie, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the Ryan Reynolds, and then he goes in and he, I bet on set could see Will Smith just like dominating.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, I gotta do something, I gotta throw some corp balls at what if I, what if I do, all of his jokes are like gay panic stuff of like, what if I just get down there and touch your butt and it looks like a proposing to you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is it crazy?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's like, when they're in the debriefing room and we'll spend so charismatic like, I just want to kick some ass and kill some alien, sir.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he's like, hold me, put my head on it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's all like, too much a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's on it down.

[SPEAKER_00]: Throwing away, I'm like, I'm killing this guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kill him, I'm gonna be died.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, Will Smith didn't bat an eye.

[SPEAKER_00]: His best friend exposed.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I don't go beat us millions.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then, but, yeah, then, Melee actor, one of the best sequences movie is that ridiculous chase sequence, dog fighting pile between him and one alien.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, the man can't hit, I guess.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like all the way to that grand get it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess it was Los Angeles.

[SPEAKER_01]: Through Grand Canyon, and then able to walk to Area 51.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's uh, he's a man to stay up and I he walked thousands of miles dragging an alien But do we care?

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't care.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's close to him.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I love I love that that scene is like this epic Action sequence of like Will Smith has to sacrifice a plane He's one of the best fighter pilots like he's juke in this guy the whole time.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's like where you at?

[SPEAKER_01]: Just see the one ship right like yeah, we can't we all can't do that We can we don't have 5,000 will Smith [SPEAKER_01]: We're in over a head to get these guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we're host.

[SPEAKER_00]: Also, why can't fly away from everybody?

[SPEAKER_00]: Both channels.

[SPEAKER_00]: The aliens like, I'm so, I gotta get this one guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really got triggered by him.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna go.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's friend made fun of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: What did you do?

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we don't know a little bit about the aliens and they're like, what do you think they're, do in the whole time?

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think they're just like, I don't know, like they're just hanging out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just on that mothership, just like waitin' like, man, it's taking for fuckin' ever.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, there's that early, early, early when they go and they dock their Trojan horse ship.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you just see like 10,000 aliens just kind of loitering, just like in a line waiting to get on the bus.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a good, more invasion.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I think they're already invaded.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're already there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Your buddies are down there, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: You look the last ones.

[SPEAKER_00]: We were the stupid ones, you have to go last.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I should run the general, so make sure we're talking to these scenes and stuff to get through.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, plot of this film, honestly I thought I'd run to the wrong movie for a second.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [SPEAKER_01]: I remember it starts with like here's a plaque that Neil Armstrong and all the astronauts left on the moon that says like we love peace we love aliens Yeah, we come in peace forever and then just like this it's almost like a joke of the ship being so large is passing over to it [SPEAKER_00]: Like rumbling the footprints in the Martian dust out of existence because it's so big fantastic.

[SPEAKER_01]: What a start It was a start.

[SPEAKER_01]: What a start to it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But also by the way Another scene with amazing iconography Because I feel like [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone knows the moods about as far as humanity's gotten so it's like yeah It's literally mankind's technological crowning achievement is a footprint on the moon It's as far as we've got missing rumbles in and wipes it off the face of the lunar [SPEAKER_00]: and just fucking, like, just cook us with the asteroids.

[SPEAKER_00]: Easy, way better plan.

[SPEAKER_00]: These walk, it's stupid aliens.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's basically, I haven't seen it, but that's Emmerick's last version of this, uh, moonfall.

[SPEAKER_01]: Moonfall?

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it's an insane film.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's an insane film.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's well, I was watching it with with wife Heidi, she was like, wouldn't the size of these ships like change the tides and everything that's like, that's what moonfall is.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's like the entirety of the fall.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's like it didn't have a budget for it in this one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we got too much to explain.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're just big ships.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're blowing everything up.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of cool to like this movie just starts with the invasion, you know?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they just get right into it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think it pops, it pops from to all of our major characters.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we, I thought it was interesting, like, once we meet the president, his approval rating is really down.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'd never remember that part.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's at a 40% which is lower than Trump right now, I think, is like around 40%.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he is not a popular president.

[SPEAKER_01]: Legendarily bad at the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Legendary bad.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to know what this policy is worth.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're really smart to never be like this is conservative.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is a Democratic president.

[SPEAKER_01]: They might put no buttons on anything.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the most vague film ever.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I would.

[SPEAKER_01]: If I had to guess the fact that the K Fox later on says I voted for the other guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to guess he's a Republican president.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to say that was my assumption as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like an X Army veteran.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's fighter pilot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then there's like military in the Democratic side.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like, yeah, it feels for painting with a broad brush.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the whole thing I think is great is it doesn't really ever feel particularly politically aligned.

[SPEAKER_01]: How do you feel with this?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think the only group that feels like they're kind of made fun of is the Los Angeles hippies who go on top of the building and say welcome aliens.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of like the conspiracy theorists of the world I'll get exploded.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a little bit of a, yeah, there's a thing in movies in this time where like you pick a group that's sort of just like a one joke punching bag, right, for like everyone in the theater's alive.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought about this when as it's cut it in, you cut to, um, was it, oh, uh, fight, find steam.

[SPEAKER_01]: Harvey finds steam.

[SPEAKER_01]: Who I love in this.

[SPEAKER_01]: the game but not out, you know, guys, it's like newsroom manager, whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I couldn't be with him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it was like, call my wife, call my cousin, call my lawyer.

[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, don't call my lawyer.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, yep, like Jurassic Park could joke with the lawyers.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're lawyer suck.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was the 90s hated lawyers.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I think I like what the president thing is it's a simple little, he's, he's considers weak, his approval ratings low, but he's somehow like above it, he's just, I just want to serve the American people.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's good at heart, but like all presidents, he needs a war to raise his approval ratings.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's right, the military industrial complex always must feed, it will help them out.

[SPEAKER_01]: I presumably after this, he's president for life.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like they just take away.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's president of earth for sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: I could actually see the, you just like, you know, don't tell the other creatures for another couple of days or two how to defeat the aliens.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll just kind of like come in and just let them sweat it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Take over those territories when they're all done.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wish Independence Day 2 was just the, the tyrannical reign of Bill Copultman.

[SPEAKER_00]: You make the speech every morning.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have to listen to it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Did you see Independence Day resurgence?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think I saw some clips of it and it burned me out so much that I refused to watch the rest of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't finish it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so uninterested in it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because also, how could you possibly make another one?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's ends with all the aliens exploding.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yo, this is like, well, what you need is you need a bigger mama alien.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was like the big set piece without last one was like, at the back to the salt flats, because that's the iconic location.

[SPEAKER_01]: and it's like, Judd Hirsch is driving a bus full of kids and just being chased by an alien the size of a kid you're like, yeah, oh, come on, come on, there's a pair as much.

[SPEAKER_01]: The president, yeah, the White House is going on.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're all kind of racked to do so.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to stay here and I got to be strong.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone else can out of here, but I'm going to be a good president.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's the best president.

[SPEAKER_01]: He says it.

[SPEAKER_00]: uh...

maybe has to go home at the same time somehow like decrypting uh...

an alien code that he found who is fucking newsroom and ends up saving the president [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he knows, he's like, wife is the ex wife.

[SPEAKER_01]: His relationship director, like, there's some character intertwined.

[SPEAKER_01]: Small little threat to do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: The amount of red tape, the goblum just jumps through on this movie.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he just gets into the White House almost immediately.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then, like, a lot of the movie, he's like, him and his dad are on Air Force 1 along with everyone else.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I've seen it in a little while.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it struck me how quickly Goldblum and his dad just got into the inner circle.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they never left.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're just, no, they're always the top advisors.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone turns to them and they're like, we only got a tough general.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we got Adam Baldwin, who's an asshole, who just wants to shoot aliens.

[SPEAKER_01]: We had no scientists.

[SPEAKER_01]: Brent Spiderman's dead.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he died so fast.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but then in the sequel, they were like, no, he was just at a coma.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's back.

[SPEAKER_01]: They brought him back for the sequel He was fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, you got like riddled with bullets with they like shot the alien [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you I guess you never see it That's extreme.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's shot of bald went.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we were with you right.

[SPEAKER_01]: They just opened fire into the alien all those guys We just call up proof no So sick.

[SPEAKER_01]: So sick.

[SPEAKER_01]: I also love know which I'm just I love the Area 51 stuff like I I think it's such a greatly you said play on what the American people assume area 51 [SPEAKER_01]: actually is right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But they've had a ship for a while.

[SPEAKER_01]: They've been experimenting on it.

[SPEAKER_01]: They don't tell the president.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think, how do you feel about area if you want to get in real life?

[SPEAKER_01]: What's your opinion on it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, I feel like there's like satellite footage of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can see it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I don't exist.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: What what do you think they're doing in there?

[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think that matters?

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like if I guessed, I would get sniped in the head right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't trust anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: I assume you have photos.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like they're building spaceships in shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to ask you more parents or valence.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I think either we have a ship in there and we would just be best with it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's also just like where we do our experimental stuff, but we don't want people to know about yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then we're going to see every country developed, the developed world probably has their own little area 51 and everyone's flying around and no one knows what their planes do and everyone's freaking out the whole time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's like 20 people there if anyone who's just kind of having a laugh and everyone freaks out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I caught the X-25 again.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fly around New Jersey.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll do some burnouts on that.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll really freak them out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I, I, I, I love the little detail of once, we'll go back to the applauded in order.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the area, if you do one stuff of like, again, goal blooming is dad.

[SPEAKER_01]: Judgers are just given full clearance because goal blubs, the only one who knows how code works.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then like, walk them into area, if you want to check out aliens and spaceships.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you want to see the, yeah, let's go press press.

[SPEAKER_01]: I go to see the alien.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you wanted to see the music.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's excited to share it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if he knows he's the president when he's talking to him as much as just like a guy in a suit like Yeah, the president's buddies.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's a check as a mail-in.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the best like general summation of American politics is like the president's like, how would Who's funding this?

[SPEAKER_01]: How's everyone paying for this?

[SPEAKER_01]: And Joe Hirsch is like, ah, you really believe a screwdriver across a thousand dollars And he's like using military and like industrial fraud [SPEAKER_01]: As an excuse for, we'll actually find in Area 51.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, which I feel like also was like a I was that those those like Pentagon Expandatures had made big news recently like you know $20,000 for a toilet seat or whatever Then we had no happy news and yeah So I was like, that's a fun little play on this.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like this usually it's just like I think it's a military contract There's like I'm just gonna take that money and not give you what you do I think I like the idea that it's funding I think I enjoy the area the men in black one more [SPEAKER_01]: Which is men and black has just alien tech in this slowly disseminating it like Microwaves and Velcro and so my god.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love that joke for men and black.

[SPEAKER_01]: We should talk about men and black sometime That joke we're talking about these zones is showing we'll smith around and he's like Holds a little tiny disc like you know the size of a penny is like this is gonna replace a CD soon went by the white album again like so [SPEAKER_00]: that's it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fantastic idea.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like are you kidding me?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like I feel like the take on the military industrial complex in Independence Day is indicative of the entire movie overall, which is kind of like this.

[SPEAKER_00]: almost like child-like view of the world or how it works.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's such an innocent explanation for military industrial grift, which they're like, no, no, the money's actually going to...

Oh, it's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun to really research, not patting the bank accounts of Lockheed Martin and North of Grumman.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of assumed as the best of the of the sister.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't want to freak you out.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think I see a sniper shot on your head right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're just doing it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: I had to put that right back.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just be true about this podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very, I get why this film took off, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's unoffensive to anyone's really political beliefs.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's so like, America's got its stuff figured out that even if we're getting our ass kicked, we're gonna find a way.

[SPEAKER_01]: No other country could.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, only we have the genius code hacker who we also let him talk, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: is a story for like the left, the right, the big guy, the little guy, and even though America's kind of taking central stage, it also lets the rest of the world and global community have like their fighter jets and have their time in the sun and kind of at the, I feel like at the time of the 90s when maybe global filmmaking was less of a thing, it does kind of sound like, all right, everyone's like, everyone's invited this party.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's released worldwide and everyone's like, [SPEAKER_00]: It's like such an innovative recipe for success that can help you with the almost everybody at some point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Did you clock the five-second scene go back to Lebanon with all the other oh yeah and there's one shot shot reverse shot of no one say anything but a fighter pilot with a Israeli flag and then looking the other side reverse shot a pilot with a Palestinian flag.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they're all like assumed to be like kind of working together at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, but they're kind of staring each other down.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then I don't know enough about their military strength in the 90s, but to some of my wife said it was like, it's Palestinian, it's Palestinian even having Air Force.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think they have those resources.

[SPEAKER_01]: But there is a little bit like, don't see their point inside their differences to fight this game.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's very, it's cool by a kind of feeling in the whole film overall.

[SPEAKER_00]: Which, of course, when I watched this film at like 12 years old, [SPEAKER_00]: What any flag was a part from American flow.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, such a pointed thing to put in the film Like you clearly had to like paint those jets and like You know set up that whole shot very intentionally [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was no ordinary one commentary was just the like we're not going to shine a light on it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a small detail, America rocks.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think about like everything else, it makes after this and it feels like he also just this is all he does now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, he kind of like hit hit it big on this one and it's like great.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're playing out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.

[SPEAKER_01]: Godzilla, the day after tomorrow, 2012 moonfall.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's actually five more, but I think [SPEAKER_00]: They're all kind of the same movie.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but like they all, I think in those later ones are much more like this is about the whole world, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think about 2012, there's that like the, I don't know where he's in the sci-plot.

[SPEAKER_01]: I always think about is just this Russian oligarch, who's trying to get on one of the arcs with his like a little too Russian brats.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, and they like tie a horrible death at the end or something.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're like barely holding on, they get crunched or whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's just so many let's just keep the scope going out even bigger and then I don't have to think about international audiences or something but like yeah, it just gets out of control It makes independence a feel like a small film.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know like a little like a little like a little 824 Indie film.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would love the 824 version of this film with fucking suck.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thank you [SPEAKER_01]: You would never see the alien until like the first alien you would see would be then going up to the mother ship It would be asteroid city Hold on, I kind of love asteroid city.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is a fun movie.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea what happens at it I couldn't tell you the plot of law, but it's no I Astroid cities a film that like I think I hated the first half [SPEAKER_01]: Like I love Wes Anderson and it was just one of them was like I feel like this is like a parody of his stuff like everything is just so flat and not interesting and then the alien shows up and it just like becomes a different film like yeah I adore that second half.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's about sort of like grieving a man dying and like it's metaphysical and yeah like water is this old road [SPEAKER_01]: water's its own road, water roads its own road.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a great euphemism.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess you do want to water roads, everyone's still alive.

[SPEAKER_00]: Key to the oil slick.

[SPEAKER_01]: But no, you're right.

[SPEAKER_01]: It would've been just like one stop motion little alien in the A24 film of this that they've just gone off.

[SPEAKER_01]: A plot-wise, I mean, this is a bunch of interactions with, yeah, I think the, the interesting way of goal-blum's in because he, his ex-wife's the uh, uh, yeah, communication director, he was, they broke up because goal-blum assumed his ex-wife was having to fare with the president before he was the president.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes, and it's like, and she like wanted to pursue her job and he was like, I don't want you to pursue your job.

[SPEAKER_00]: He said it's a little bit of a red flag.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, for sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's a terrible character.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he was going to computers and he understands how virus works and it works out the end They both get the girl and it's fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh, dude.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a point where we were like every it the Vectal test is not passed in this film like every female character exists as a pair to someone else, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like the video boxes The worst taste in jewelry she wants dolphin stuff [SPEAKER_00]: I was watching this and my wife Lynn was watching it with her.

[SPEAKER_00]: She fucking hates his movie She was she was like played many things most of the time and looked up when we'll Smith like presents the ring for the first time And she's like, I know this movie was made by men because that is ugly.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's fucking ring.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen my life My wife had the same reaction to it But I really asked you all you ever see [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this is a male skewed movie.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not only the fact that the ad's only male characters mostly Maybe it's a very dude movie like Yeah, yeah, maybe it was a family and was a female that they shot maybe that was a female character Yeah, they were talking about aliens and they're all girls the mental test is passed The time I sounds I bet you're meaning because this movie is great the timeline that I tried to follow from [SPEAKER_01]: Jeff Goldblum is in his office pace.

[SPEAKER_01]: Funny enough, I guess this is a parallel above Goldblum and Smith are the last ones in their area to realize what's going on, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's obsessed with the code, and then he brings it out.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's trying to talk to Harvey Firestein, and like, what do you pay the much of the news?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's realizing, and he says this is counting down, it's a deteriorating code, six hours.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: to the White House, they scramble all the planes and leave the White House within six out.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's totally totally fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's creative.

[SPEAKER_00]: They move fast.

[SPEAKER_01]: They move very, very fast.

[SPEAKER_01]: Due to all of the traffic stuff that the car is backing out, which else became a movie hallmark of, oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love the cop that's like stops his car early on and just walks up as 20 other cars Hit his knees still doesn't wreck like clock it and real car crashes to none of this computer shit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dude Yeah, they said one day of shooting in New York they crashed 23 cars in a single day I was surprised this is that oh, yeah, probably just that's it the shots later after the you know the shot happens the laser beam The simultaneous attack from all the ships [SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, it's like 5,000 cars destroyed.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like they were just throwing cars on top of other cars with explosions.

[SPEAKER_01]: It looks great.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what?

[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of those were diecast toys, some toys are us.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love, yeah, the fire truck is just like a model fire truck getting through amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they just look so good.

[SPEAKER_00]: You eat them through the air with air cans.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's close it up.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that sequence I think caught my imagination first time I watched this and we used to have the the VHS of this like I said and I I was really into a really into special effects.

[SPEAKER_00]: I loved explosions and like all of that.

[SPEAKER_00]: 80s 90s That's very apparent in all of your work.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think I love being a good explosion and you know, this movie was like the apex predator of explosions and [SPEAKER_00]: that scene.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it goes on forever.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's the longest scene of destruction, like put the film at that point.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I used to, like imagine little 11 year old Ed sitting two feet away from the TV and I would get my VHS remote.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I used to watch that destruction sequence in slow motion, frame by frame and watch the explosions blast through buildings to like study other fireworks and [SPEAKER_00]: like I was trying to study it for like effects and I was interested in like the most of these things I'm sure from the galside point of view you're just watching a kid stare at fire and explode it's for hours like our boys are right right [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be a Pyramidiac or a serial killer for sure, but I love that shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was like that that sequence alone.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think was like such a marvel of visual effects and kinetic filmmaking.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like universal storytelling, too, because like no one says anything for like five minutes.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, yeah, it's just the action and you're just so it's so captivating.

[SPEAKER_00]: They, and I mean, overall, it's like, I forget, I forget what percentage of the effects budget went to that, but I mean, overall in the film, they shot like six thousand individual VFX elements to send to their like composite team, which are some of the first like digital compositing pipelines, but yeah, yeah, this is like a 10 years before ILM and everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was like he was very kind of prodo vfx, they were like taking photographs of F-18s and airplanes like on digital cameras and then having like wrapped them around wireframe models like the first really texturing processes that are super janky, but it looks great a lot of the [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the shots of the airplanes are a blend between their VFX pipeline and then like the real F-18 models, which by the way, they had to buy so many 132 scale F-18 Hornet airplanes.

[SPEAKER_01]: That or blow at the buff constantly.

[SPEAKER_00]: They bought out the entire planet's supply of 18 airplanes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Every model airplane model.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a little model, so a kid couldn't build one for a couple of years.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because every F-18 went to this production and they blew them up.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we should, yeah, what a what a damage done to the model scheme.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, amateur model enthusiast is super really knows that.

[SPEAKER_01]: You've forgotten to models and I don't think I love models.

[SPEAKER_00]: I grew up making models of everything and I also blew them up too [SPEAKER_00]: Were you filming it at least or were you just like, yes, yes, dude.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I was really into models growing up.

[SPEAKER_00]: My dad was always into models as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we'd like build these together and at some point I moved to England.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was there for four years and while I was in England made a ton more models.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I had so many models built that by the time we were going to move home from England, my parents were like, we can't possibly ship all these models back.

[SPEAKER_00]: You kind of like, color it down to like just the just the key player.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to get rid of all the rest of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: about 20, 20, 30 models that I wouldn't be able to bring back to America.

[SPEAKER_00]: My dad was like, all right, we're going to go to the backyard, we're going to get some fireworks in the video camera and you can blow all this shit up.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I call my buddy over.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we're just sticking firecrackers in the back of like helicopter models and just like blowing this shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: I look terrible.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have that footage anywhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's somewhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hopefully not take it over.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's my parents like base when somewhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: They think it recorded cheers over it at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's like a point of like Sam and I am about to kiss and then just like suddenly cut to a shot of like your model big blowing up just like an X wing with smoke coming out the back I love it did yeah that I really actually enjoy knowing like your body of work.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I think you and I bond over a lot of that kind of love of like, yeah, dumb action, but there's like a heart to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, watching this go in like, I see how this speaks to it, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: I see all of the stuff that like, you know, whether it be like Dick figures or Mario or like any yourself.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're, you did a, it was like a seven second animation of Welcome to Earth that's like better than the movie.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's how much I love this film.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's always in my mind at all times.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right, it is like, it's a dumbass action movie, but it feels good and like there's some heart to it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so well made.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it just has like a, I really like positive feeling to it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can just can't help, but like have a good time when you watch it.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's my favorite fucking thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to think of a metaphor for it where I felt like, okay, this is, and again, I think if people like knock, I didn't independent stay a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like, yes, a sloppy burger where it's like, there's too much like cheese on this and the sauce to come outside and like a, you know, the, the guy from the Bayer would probably look down on it, but it's a good goddamn burger and then your memory of that burger over time is maybe changed because you go on to other burger places that are trying to like recreate that burger that's not as good so you will, you don't remember the burger being as tasty as before until you go back to that spot.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then it's like you buy in that burger again.

[SPEAKER_00]: Holy moly.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's really good burger.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking good That's like yeah, my favorite movie is a good burger dude.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, not the movie good burger thing God now [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, let's go through the rest of this to make sure we're not preparing any interesting things.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think we kind of really hit like, yeah, there's like 30 minutes of people just reacting to the attack.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that wall of fire is so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Two of my favorite shots in that movie in this movie are in that of both Harvey Fire scene, who doesn't get enough to do in this movie, I love him, he's so good in this and like this is down fire.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he's like looking up at the flame with the, oh crap.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess what a final line.

[SPEAKER_01]: an amazing line.

[SPEAKER_01]: I wish she had lived much longer, but they killed their gay.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the night.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's got a man here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that same sequence, such a corny shot of like the vacated foxes running from the wildfire wall with their, with their sun.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's going straight this way and she sees the side door and kicks it open, with her strong stripper legs, and it's like boomer!

[SPEAKER_01]: boom, you see the gold interview like jump in as the fire passes him is so amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, and the fire Very considerably doesn't go into the room and yeah, yeah, it only goes straight.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's got blinders on They only go that really focused fire.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's got places to be but that's a trope and I'm fine with it I'm like yeah, yeah, and also what a goddamn American dog to put into this movie [SPEAKER_00]: course it's a golden retriever.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's no other choice.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's a good loyal dog.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, I don't don't a dog.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they track the dog later in that movie.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I feel like it doesn't show up again.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like a die of the fire.

[SPEAKER_01]: Presumably they get to the hospital.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, don't say that then.

[SPEAKER_01]: It made it list.

[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: Presumably it's not what they're going to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Vicki Fox makes this like survivor truck just driving around L.A.

[SPEAKER_01]: Picky people up, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and then eventually they get to a hospital.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually, Will Smith just shows up in a helicopter and picks them all up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, she drives the El Toro.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's right.

[SPEAKER_01]: She drives to the Air Force Base that Will Smith is supposed to be at and sees it destroyed.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, yeah, it's my husband.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's all gone.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he steals a helicopter to get there and like, tell some army guy like, just tell him I hit you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I love that guy who's just like what no line actor just like it's I trust me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm total day player.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is just like [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's called the book, man.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I can nitpick like it's insane to think about if God's forbid Los Angeles has wiped out.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you or I were in a helicopter flying Los Angeles looking for our loved one.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you were looking for land, I was looking for Heidi.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine we'd find them, but I love to think that there's like, you just be drawn to them.

[SPEAKER_01]: You just, you just, looking at, yeah, yeah, the power of love.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, into stellar.

[SPEAKER_01]: to tell us all about that's right yeah yeah so uh we've already shown like everyone's kind of like in the aftermath of it I love that it just scatters the world and people are pulling themselves back together uh goal bloom has already been on air force one he's taught them all about the code uh I think they go straight to area 51 of like well yeah there are some aliens Mr.

President uh I didn't tell you about what's that what's that [SPEAKER_01]: Bill, Bill's stream of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think, place in, there's like the, there's like the why are we skeletal looking guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like the director of home and security or whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't like didn't tell him and he's like, always quick to like, he wants a nuke first before anyone else, which I feel like is the whole middle climax of the film is just then like trying to shoot nuke's if the thing and it doesn't work.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, oh, I'll also the amount of the turn from James Remborn, by the way, I feel like it's a character actor, you've just seen the million things as the consultant.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really interesting that like he's saying the nuke and in the press and it's like, no, what?

[SPEAKER_01]: destroy our cities and then what turns him he eventually is like let's drop this book and do some of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he like they're operating on the alien.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they get to end up in the prison alien to Area 51.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, alive one.

[SPEAKER_00]: We got to get it out of there.

[SPEAKER_00]: They open the exosuit and the little, uh, little Martian goober guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, guy like uses telepathy and like wrecks the lab.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love the psychic attack on the president.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's such a great light [SPEAKER_01]: This alien's about to do it right now and just stop the American resistance with and through the power of writing Bill Pullman's like, I saw their plan.

[SPEAKER_00]: We shared a mine.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, they're gonna do that's such a trip.

[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I love I love the like Psychic invasion has a downside for the It's a two-way street on note [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's that plus the Brent Spinder before hand being held up against the glass.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, you know, as a famous scene now, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we just want peace.

[SPEAKER_01]: No peace.

[SPEAKER_01]: No peace.

[SPEAKER_01]: The balls on that alien, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: He knows he's captive.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he could, we should talk about Mars attacks.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Mars attacks thing is like, just lie to them and then stab them in the back, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like over and over and over again.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's just like, no fucking.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're coming to kill all y'all.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's zealots, the aliens are hardcore.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no, I'm the fuck you guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: And also kill me, I don't care.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, after that, it's like that combination of like we got a new to the bastard.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he's giving up essentially, I think when he nukes Los Angeles, our Houston, our Houston, yeah, Houston, we literally can lose you.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like that, whatever, you know, when I'm trying to remember from, uh, check what's the check off, uh, Chernobyl, like, which just gets into how much nuclear radiation ruins an area for the rest of time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, [SPEAKER_00]: Houston's got fucking host.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even when it failed Houston's gone.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love the stuff Yeah, I launched the new and just like they got a force field can't do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Target remains they say And they're like, no, oh, dude.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the tropes are like the little beeping going across Maybe this is worth bringing up and I I kept thinking about how much this is Star Wars [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, go on well just like these parallels.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know some of this was just fallen actually to any level of like a star fighter You know airship thing, but there's all this stuff especially near the end of this movie, which we can get into more is like a no a no name pilot right like hot, you know Luke or Will Smith.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just gonna call him most myth [SPEAKER_01]: in this like getting brought into a bigger conflict you have a destar or a moon-sized spaceship like finding after much survival and being underdogs you found one Hail Maryway to take it down and there's just a lot of like oh this feels the way they're tracking you know the oncoming of the plane and the missile like this is just like the destar right this is like just as we're doing the trench ride it's almost like a little like corridor they have to fly through at the end [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and you're doing like faceless enemies.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you're doing sort of like the, I'm always a fan of this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I always feel like in every show I work on, I end up doing the, the empire and Dean where there's like three battles, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Each are important in different ways.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you have like the fighter pilots down above Area 51.

[SPEAKER_01]: You got well Smith up in space trying to infect the place.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like all of these little side stories all crash into each other still.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all kind of like taking place at the same.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny too, because I feel like, uh, [SPEAKER_00]: They like blow up the ship on earth and we're like great.

[SPEAKER_00]: We did it but then there's a whole like ten more minutes of the movie up in the mother ship.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, which is normally just them.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess them getting out because the vibe yeah the virus has been up low.

[SPEAKER_01]: We can just just like they've they've discovered the my dad told me to get it get it cold.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know something but we'll give the aliens a kill.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have written a virus that also has a cool little laughing skeleton that I like to actually put the jolly roger and the evil laugh sound.

[SPEAKER_01]: I give a laugh and the virus payload.

[SPEAKER_01]: Same with Jurassic Park.

[SPEAKER_01]: Two Jurassic Park was like Newman has just all of these like he took the time to graphic design his virus which is so funny to think about.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm using like flash or something back in the day.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they've already destroyed, they've already neutralized the shields so that the president who is a fighter pilot and Randy Quaid, who we've not talked about at all, can we'll come back to Quaid?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing ending.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, can take them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's really just like Ken Will Smith, the Jeff Global, will make it out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like they've kind of given up they're like in a clamp or something or a clock down in the Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like So they feel like they're at the DMV of the alien shit Just like the other alien it's just waiting there's a lot of bureaucracy in the mother ship It's really silly like right when they open the windows and it's kind of rolling with the chair and hide Go up a litter just as hide [SPEAKER_01]: They're doing it back for a moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're dynamic is really interesting because if you asked me before watching this, they'd spend the whole, you know, goblum and Smith spend the whole movie getting, you know, knowing each other.

[SPEAKER_01]: They do get, they are, like, you know, Smith and Vivica Fox are witnesses at Goblum's wedding in Erica D1.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like, they don't really spend time together, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like the first time they talk, [SPEAKER_00]: ever is when golem shows him his uh...

his virus works they like turn off the force field oh yeah the only ship in area fifty one and they're all right you're gonna fly up there and you're gonna be the pilot and then they're all right let's do it that's the first time in fucking talking to each other ever again [SPEAKER_01]: I cackled that which must have been an 80-order added line where, yeah, we first demonstrated like us, you know, sergeant fire at that can on the ship.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a force field to fight.

[SPEAKER_01]: When it blocks off into flex like a cart 2 and 10 times around Area 51, you hear what's going to be like, what do you do, man?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you see it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's so upset.

[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I'm sure like somebody died.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just oh, dude.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought of like how funny I'm gonna like how funny would have been like he's go boom's had this entire demonstration figured out He knows how it's gonna work and then it ricochets and it just kills the president Just hits it right down.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're done Let's keep shooting at it, but I like that period right like all the stuff of them going up into the mother ship like I love the will Smith messes up the ship at first right like he backs it up into a wall [SPEAKER_00]: It's such a goof like a comedy moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like slamming.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like loony tunes.

[SPEAKER_00]: They just slam into the wall.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oops.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's backwards.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that's so much better than I think.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so many other movies now are like, no, this character is the coolest best part of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's badass.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to get it right in the first try.

[SPEAKER_01]: They never make mistakes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Every time they make love to a woman, they have a great role in it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: These characters are...

They're kind of dope.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're not that cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're not that good.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it helps the believability of as much as this is all ridiculous, like, yeah, maybe they could kind of bullshit it, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, maybe this long shot of a virus could possibly take the whole movie.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the charm of the film is that it feels just plausible enough because these people are just real enough that you're like, okay, they're kind of like, [SPEAKER_00]: normal people a little bit like their huge broadly painted tropes of a person.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but you're kind of like yeah, there's there's a little quirk a little personal charm to each of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: We kind of like, okay, they're they're real people.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're really flying into the spaceship.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm engaged just enough to see what's going to happen the next two minutes.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like, it stumbles its way to the finish line with just enough charisma to get you to the ending.

[SPEAKER_00]: The power of America, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: The pair of Americans knew that I think it's just like, we do it, uh, maybe it's time.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think like the character that's maybe besides Will Smith and Global Beanstars, I think everyone always talks about Randy Quades character.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're like the drunk crop duster pilot, uh, an ex-veet nom, uh, pilot turned crop duster who's like had a really hard time.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's a lot of like everyone in town makes fun of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a little bit of a gay panic.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah, these are the only ones I'd sex with them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sexual sexual probes sexual probes and I don't believe him.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a drunk.

[SPEAKER_01]: His kids don't like him.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do like as an opening.

[SPEAKER_01]: He cropped us to the wrong wrong field.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's very [SPEAKER_01]: a very funny way to say like a fuck up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Randy Quaid, how much of a talk like, he's a real-life fucking mess, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm a little light on my Randy Quaid knowledge.

[SPEAKER_01]: The last thing, I don't think this podcast ever can get sued for slander.

[SPEAKER_01]: The last thing Randy Quaid, I know, was about five to seven years ago.

[SPEAKER_01]: He went off the reservation.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is before Trump and Maga, [SPEAKER_01]: but he went full like uh...

actually maybe in the right way he was he knows is he was like a voting so sorry listener for not fully do the research on randy quade on this uh...

he went like full off full off the grid uh...

i think he was avoiding taxes for a couple years and at some point he decided to attack rupert mordock which is great rupermordock sucks you know the head of fox yeah um...

yet at the [SPEAKER_01]: Oh go ahead.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh no.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just get them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: The last thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Randy Quaid did publicly that I know about was he posted like the way the Joker posted video for Batman.

[SPEAKER_01]: He posted a video of him and his lady in a motel room because I think they were on the run and he put a bad cut out of Rupert Murdock on his partner's face.

[SPEAKER_01]: and had doggy style sex with her about how that's him booning roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-roo-ro [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there was like a period of time where he was the go-to guy from this or like the vacation movies Right, he was like the wacky cousin brother Eddie, cousin Eddie.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's been real fucking wacky Yeah, so I mean he's kind of just this dude in a way to play himself [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like the best version of it where we're like, and but if Randy queen got a shit together and then and then killed up the alien to be five.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think is what is this last line is up yours up yours is such an I get why everyone loved this character, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah such a fucking mess, but he's like he's amazing so much charisma.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's he's a drunk.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's no one's taking him seriously.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's kids don't respect him.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you're right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think the sun is not not a great actor The other kids are nothing in this.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm surprised even I can't have it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I hate the cut [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well in like the the daughter is in other stuff speaking of Mrs.

Daffyer.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's like the main daughter Mrs.

Daffyer.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like these people have been in roles and like the boy that she's making out with is from Is the bratty gross kid from 10 things I hate about you like these are somewhat known kid actors And I just wonder if they like cut their stuff at some point.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's interesting to even exist because Randy Queen could just be [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, nobody be a dude who's a fuck up and gets like tangled up in it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's only really for that and beat of like, as he's, you know, coming in and he's like, I'm, I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm late, Mr.

President.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they close up his story to some random military guy, like turns to his oldest terrible actor son and he's like, you dad is real brave and he's like, oh, I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Really proud of him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just skateboards away.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and goes off to one battle after another and jumps off a roof.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've got to go fight fascist a buy.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a great like he's a great microcosm of what this movie is of just like these random people can crash into your right like he's just a fuck up and his RV convoy just happens to run into Will Smith and gets kind of like drinking on the side.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's kind of like, uh, it's such a collision of like little guys like Jeff Goldham's just a newspaper man and this guy's a fuck up Crafter guy and will Smith's just a pilot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the glasses just just a stripper.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do love that hanging out with the first lady and she's like, oh, you're I'm a dancers like, oh, like ballet stripper and she's like [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the president's like, I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't say condescending.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's a little, but again, it's still like these kind of, like, [SPEAKER_01]: 90s views on things, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's supposed to be sort of Vivica Fox's lower than others because she's a stripper, as opposed to now where I feel like, yeah, better, smart about sex workers and understand them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's interesting, because I feel like, then in that moment too, she does like take the time and the movie takes the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, no, no, don't be sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's good, it's like good work.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's points out and it's like a good living.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a fascinating little detour for a movie about exploding everything [SPEAKER_01]: No, and to the movie's credit, even though it's a very like stock script, I do like that he found little moments like beyond goblum and his dad talking about catching a cold.

[SPEAKER_01]: There is like small little scenes about like his dad having faith anymore, like not like not believing and then I think he gives his dad like the Torah and a yeah before we go up like it's just it's not even like arcs.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like plot A and then plot B.

They get to the point by the end.

[SPEAKER_00]: With just nothing but action in between you just kind of vaguely remember.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, like you were talking about smoking earlier now, but you need those breathing moments, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, good starts and stops of where they all end.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, it's just solid enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's all you need.

[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like 12 little short films.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, with special effects in between.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's also, you know, I don't know if it's intentional and I know they said they compared it to war of the worlds.

[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever like listened to or read the original War of the Worlds?

[SPEAKER_01]: Span O'Wile.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's been.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I always love that short story because it is like very much from a third person perspective, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're not following Jack Torrance and he's gonna fight the aliens, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: It is, yeah, which I guess, [SPEAKER_01]: I guess the Spielberg one sort of did this, too, but you were just people encountering this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Even the world is like, you're just hearing a radio description.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah [SPEAKER_01]: But it's a similar thing of like, that's the bad version of it of like these characters just wouldn't even stop you like Facebook and Yeah, but it's a good point.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like an independent state.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very omniscient point of view like no one really carries any [SPEAKER_00]: wait story wise or even like there's no it's not filmed from like a point of view of anyone you're just kind of like watching as God watches it's not full.

[SPEAKER_01]: Humanity as a as a collective are dealing with this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the main character is planet Earth.

[SPEAKER_01]: I got some like interesting trivia and production development stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say any of the part of the story you want to talk about Ed.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, [SPEAKER_01]: Where did I get so much?

[SPEAKER_01]: We lost it we're right we lost it we're a bunch of like tiny even yet but it is really like major moment of like attack right like humanity is pulling themselves up your following those 12 different stories gathering in Area 51 coming up with an idea and then just executing [SPEAKER_00]: that attack like that's really just the core of the simple is that yeah it's like a bunch of like I think all the side stuff that didn't get talked about it's like Jeff Goldman is X-wife reconciling and talking about their relationship and there's a marriage and they're in the wedding and at some point they kind of like get civilians out of the danger zone and we it's all the characters you kind of like don't really remember from the film but they're like vaguely in there unfortunately that's like all the girls like you're saying it's like [SPEAKER_00]: all the women are just like kind of here as story support for the main dudes to go right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Watching their handsome men go often.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, just some of the preaction developments that I was writing down.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I do think this is really interesting because, you know, this film, film for Mely, some of you still watch this.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was always my go-to July 4th.

[SPEAKER_01]: We watch it in a pen and stay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hell yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it is shifted in recent years.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just even in this film's not that political.

[SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't feel, is great to celebrate America.

[SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and it has been a lot more cathartic for us to watch Mars attacks, which is like, [SPEAKER_01]: This I was you have you seen Mars attack said I have I seen the whole thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dude.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god I know I seem like tent pole moments.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's some great.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like a flap of a film I think over years later.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's become kind of a cult classic.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's when Tim Bird used to try Yeah, it's been a minute.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's really interesting because this film came out the same year [SPEAKER_01]: What?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so like Mars attacks was being made at the same time.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's also a parody on the world, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's also based on these like old 1950s, 1960s like collectible trading cards with the arts really cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: That are so much like cabbage patch kids like just look at this cool card of an alien like frying some dude and turn him into a falton a big brain with high balls or whatever Yeah, I love their designs That's being made at the same time and then the height for independence day is so big I got to show you the the trailer for the Super Bowl [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this was like a big announcement, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, because it was a big announcement, and it's like, all the big shots in the movie is like, enjoy the Super Bowl.

[SPEAKER_01]: It might be your last.

[SPEAKER_00]: And just like, ah, fuck yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, everyone can see, like the way that other Avengers movie would be now, you can just see it come in.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, other films are scrambling, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to get the rights in the pants day.

[SPEAKER_01]: Marce de X was gonna come out, I believe, in the summer, and they quickly get out of the way.

[SPEAKER_01]: But then comes out in like the holiday where it completely flops I imagine partially because everyone loves Independence Day so much that they don't need to see another alien movie and also don't want to see one that feels like it's kind of like Making fun of Independence Day even though that was like the awesome powers of alien movies [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah, if if I what's the best bond film the one the new casino royale came out right yeah, and then with like three months later, you know, Michael Myers is like I got a funny new us to powers thing about like It would be like fuck you get out of here dude.

[SPEAKER_01]: We love this right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, Marcex is absolutely floppy, even though it was made parallel to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's really interesting because it is doing the same kind of structural thing of aliens show up.

[SPEAKER_01]: We think they're, it's more, we think they're friends, and then the joke is so clearly they're not, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Turn us into skeletons.

[SPEAKER_01]: They turn it, they, they, one of the best scenes of the whole movie is like, they, they come to speak to Congress and then just fry all of Congress with the death ray and some old lady in a room's watching us, yeah, they blew up Congress, it's all silly, yeah, it's so fucking tough.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like done in the same time, and so it's just like creatively a different take-on on this thing, and I think America just wasn't feeling any like, I wanna watch America to destroy it, but no one fights back.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sort of idea.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's for your very, very similar roots, like the pulpy 1940s, 50s beat it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's like 20 different storylines, kind of, oh, quarantine, and intersecting with each other.

[SPEAKER_01]: Independence Day was so big.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess Spielberg was thinking about making war [SPEAKER_01]: And then it was like, oh, I can't, I can't speak.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why he doesn't do it for another decade or whatever, though.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: He defeated even Spielberg.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, it depends.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was just huge, dude.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it changed.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Other, other stuff of those interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Robert Logia is the guy playing the lieutenant sergeant bill.

[SPEAKER_01]: Who's always just the gruff like, that was the time to act Mr.

President.

[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently when they on set he's upset refuse to leave his trailer because several days earlier The producer Dean Devlin suggested to logia that he watched airplane for inspiration When he actually intended to suggest airport at nineteen seventies film.

[SPEAKER_01]: I never seen the nineteen seventies one I've been there, but I think it's like a like people reacting to a crisis, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So he accidentally recommends the Leslie Nielsen comedy film airplane So logia rents airplane and then thinks [SPEAKER_01]: He's doing a spoof movie.

[SPEAKER_01]: He thinks he's doing Mars attacks.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's the part of this before they got it back on the same page.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god You wouldn't even know he did such a good job [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's the best scenery tune thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this is the time to talk about Ed, you work with Nintendo.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've talked to you about how much probably my favorite Nintendo property, one of my favorite games of all time is Star Fox 64.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Did you know there's a level in Star Fox 64 that is very clearly inspired by this movie?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it like the last one, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: The pyramid?

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yes, like mid, mid game.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, [SPEAKER_01]: The Katina level in Starvex 64, it's reference to the climactic scene, the alien mothership is exactly the same, it's like going to blow up a pyramid at base unless you destroy enough fighters and Star Wolf, the rival squadron and enough time, but I didn't know this, so like while you're there, Starvex has kind of like a friendly pilot, but he's like a beaver dog or whatever, [SPEAKER_01]: And like it seems Bill his name is probably named his name is Bill Gray.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's probably named after General William Gray from from this movie.

[SPEAKER_00]: No way the log you guys are talking about My god, no wonder I like that level.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's still good.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good of course It's gone back to independent state and all forms.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's it's a key to all [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, a few of the things that they were interesting a month after the film's released jewelry designers and marketing consultants reported an increased interest and dolphin themed jewelry.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.

[SPEAKER_01]: The 90s.

[SPEAKER_00]: So even though the dolphins dude.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, even though your wife Lynn said that jewelry is awful people disagreed people want I wonder how people look back on their choices now.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll never build upon this.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a trivia question.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you feel comfortable sharing on the pod, but you and I have both kind of met Jeff Goldblum.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, what does this like a decade ago?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, saw him at the Rockwell.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Rockwell, a jazz piano bar in Los Feliz, Los Angeles, uh, were Goblin just had like a residency where he would just play jazz, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: If it is jazz band would like play every Wednesday or whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you just go get tickets, he put out a jazz album years ago where you just like him.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's just riffing talking about nonsense and playing piano.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, he was just making shit up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Clearly like after this movie and how much riffing he does.

[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, like do you notice he says musco faster musco fast go.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he says he doesn't dress apart.

[SPEAKER_01]: He probably rifted on both sets and is like, well, they won't use both lines in both both films.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like I imagine this film just makes both of them become like, well, I'm gods, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I came to this movie, I blew it up, everyone knows me now.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can just be this archetype forever now.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll never get a script again, only actually.

[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not.

[SPEAKER_01]: Probably not.

[SPEAKER_01]: I read some tidbit about him trying to find, I don't have the quote, but I felt very like, oh dude, you have a confidence where he describes like meeting people and then whether he's never met them before doesn't remember or doesn't remember, he just goes like, what's your name or the interview suddenly goes, ah, of course, which is such a like, great way to say either I know you and I'm happy you're here or [SPEAKER_01]: Ed, what a great name, like it's, he's just learned how to be his character from the Wizard of Oz.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, just stupid and disconfidence and kind of like just survives in all scenarios.

[SPEAKER_00]: No matter what, yeah, I actually, I, I feel like I could relate to that a little bit only in that I am so bad or remembering names and faces and it's such a, yeah, I remember everything about an independent state because I have, and I have no room for any other information.

[SPEAKER_00]: So many characters meet people.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's happening with so many times on me somebody and I'll say They'll say oh yeah, blah, blah, blah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nice to meet you.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're like good to see you and I'll say oh Nice to meet you and like we've met you [SPEAKER_00]: Many times, I think it's constantly, so instead of saying nice to meet you, I've given up on that, I've put it away, I'll never say it again.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've decided to pivot to good to see you.

[SPEAKER_00]: It works in every situation where I met them or not.

[SPEAKER_00]: So every time we meet someone, I say good to see you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Good to see you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: just some vague Victorian era pleasantism.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh, charred them sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, charred them sure is a great one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, I, I, dude, this is like, this film is a huge impact.

[SPEAKER_01]: Those are kind of the main stuff I'd written down about this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I didn't notice by like, feel like there's some stealth cigar marketing in this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Boy, this movie really powers look good.

[SPEAKER_00]: I honestly, I like watch it recently.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I could go for a cigar right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna start one time I did not care for it, deny it, not really like it.

[SPEAKER_01]: You gotta get a good one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anything else that feels like, do you think you've seen your other works, other stuff in this movie?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you haven't done a sci-fi movie project yet?

[SPEAKER_00]: Somehow, no, I feel like, I feel like I've dipped a toe into this movie in, like, weird ways, [SPEAKER_00]: I've tried to sneak like influences of it into other works, whether it's like an explosion or like how to film and action scene, so much of the dog fight stuff for so informative to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's never like, it's never been like, I guess, properly parodyed or like, directly referenced in anything I've worked on yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like the DNA of this film is like, deep in my bones and just pops out costs.

[SPEAKER_00]: Even the design language, I feel like the aliens and the shape and all that stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, if I'm drawing, [SPEAKER_00]: sci-fi shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: It usually ends up looking like the inside of the mother's mothership.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just such a cool, uh, cool production design.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's some point.

[SPEAKER_00]: If I get my hands around a sci-fi project, I'm going to watch this one again for reference.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's the greatest sci-fi film ever made.

[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, it's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: I, I, I always tell, [SPEAKER_00]: When I remember it so I thought I was talking to my agents about what movie I want to make and they're yeah, original projects and all this and they're trying to figure out like do you want to tell a personal story or like the drama or whatever and I [SPEAKER_00]: How do they phrase?

[SPEAKER_00]: I said, I want to make an ultimate movie.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about and I described them.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, it's like independent stay or Jurassic Park or back to the future, fast to the furious.

[SPEAKER_00]: Each of these films is an ultimate movie because if you think of the ultimate time travel movie, if you think of the time travel movie, back to the future, the future, name the dinosaur movie.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jurassic World.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Car movie.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jurassic World fall and Kingdom is right there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's there's a trick question.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And like yeah, like so each of these films is like the Apex like fighter jet movie.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's top done.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: So there's like a there's like an Apex predator of each thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like as alien invasion movies go, it's still in dependence day in my book.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I can't think of a single one that's even come close to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everything in fact, I feel like is in the shadow of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like this was one of the first films I saw where I recognized that phenomenon, even as a younger age, too.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, that kicked ass, and that is like the best version of this idea.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I like love the power of that storytelling to be like, I am the King Kong of Alien Movies.

[SPEAKER_01]: No one will conquer me so have you come to the I mean, I don't make sure you can't announce your next project have you come to a if alien evasion has already been done what's the genre that is your ultimate take.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I do have a project I want to do [SPEAKER_00]: But this is how I've heard about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think you have.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'll say do the script Yeah, I know I totally get that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think I similarly try to like I just want to make a fucking banger And then like I love your phrase of the ultimate mine would probably be like, well, I want to make a mecca movie Like Pacific Rim already kind of did that like I don't know if I can do better than Pacific Rim [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like, I feel like there's Harris the split.

[SPEAKER_00]: You could, you know, peel it away from the Kajoo elevator, just do this only.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just do robot, if you're seeing robot jocks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, I haven't seen the whole thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen clips and I fucking love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because like basically that was like street fighter, but, um, yeah, or my, uh, my favorite Gundam is not my favorite, Gundam Wing is my favorite, uh, G Gundam is a great shlaki Gundam series where it's more like Gundam pilots from different countries all meet up in a world tournament.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember why.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they become the president or what, but it's like, [SPEAKER_01]: neo-toker is pilot versus neo-America's pilot and there's gun that neo-America's gun that is like a boxer Right and but then the smaller countries They're gonna get lost screen time are like neo-norways just a gun them with a windmill on it like it's just [SPEAKER_01]: But they're just kind of doing in a cool way.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a goofy shit I've ever heard of.

[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot wait to watch it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll send you some close to fights.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's very, because there's like five like, these are well-rounded countries.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Gundams are awesome.

[SPEAKER_01]: They feel a little bit in tune with their beliefs.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, there's McNeo, Mexico has to heal a Gundam, has to separate.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very offensive, but it sounds like a robot chicken scruncher, something like this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, but it's not like what Street Fighter did in the original where it's like, yeah, this guy is from Brazil and he's just like Brazil or what, like, it's nothing else about them.

[SPEAKER_01]: One note character.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see an Ed Scott or Altman.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think I do.

[SPEAKER_01]: I got to say like I am just like always So pleased with everything you make like I know you were touched on everything in the Mario movie But like the sequences that you told me that you boarded us like those my favorite sequences.

[SPEAKER_01]: Those are so So good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you enjoyed them because they were absolute hell to make [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: Me and motors are going to be our shoulder of the entire time.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no.

[SPEAKER_01]: Muscle fast.

[SPEAKER_01]: Chuck.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Muscle, let's go faster.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go faster.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a good way to end.

[SPEAKER_01]: And thank you for being on kind of the inaugural re-launch episode of Stories at Stick.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thanks for having me.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a total pleasure and a huge honor to be part of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that we can say this is a movie that's stuck for sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah, it's still bonded.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, you're working on, it's been announced the Super Mario Galaxy movie is the title.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's coming out next year.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be bigger and better than the first one.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really pumped.

[SPEAKER_00]: I genuinely love so much of this film.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait for people to see it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be fucking wild.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's [SPEAKER_01]: I got to see with you again, seeing that first one with you in a big theater city walk and hearing kids like cheers of joy.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you meant.

[SPEAKER_01]: I got like goosebumps on your behalf.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was, I think the best movie experience I'd had and maybe my whole life, that was so cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, I'm going to go, uh, speak to it again for the second one.

[SPEAKER_01]: please speed of goosebumps by the way if you've been listening to this like where's goosebumps discussion we are still covering goosebumps away novels even though this is story that stick goosebumps the podcast that I've been doing for the last decade now lives on as a patreon bonus you can support this show [SPEAKER_01]: and get access to bonus episodes, dozens and dozens and dozens of hours of bonus episodes and content are discord, get to vote on what we're reading next, all on patreon.com slash stories that stick, including monthly goose buds episodes, Heidi, my social producer and wife right now are reading fear street, the ski trip in advance of this month's episode, hope you enjoy that as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ed, I know social media is kind of like a pain index now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you saying social media is going to plug any any socials?

[SPEAKER_00]: I am, uh, I think all my, all my shit is just ed scanner across the board.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's, that's where it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I'm a lurker at this point.

[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't, like, used it too much.

[SPEAKER_00]: But when I get back into it, that's where I'll be.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're supposed to stop and please look up.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's, I'll share it on the discord in our socials.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you're welcome to earth animation, which is so good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a five second animation of inception which I thought for sure you're going to pick as your film to talk about next one, next one, so much good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a wild journey.

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Bumpy versus the Closet Monster versus Distractor, Chris Koolick, Dakota Camp, Time Eats Flash, Problem Child 2 on DVD, Rest in Peace, Gilbert Gough, Odin's Eyehole, Still a pretty decent dog, generally speaking, all dogs or [SPEAKER_01]: J-FAR hopes every time you walk in a room, remember what for?

[SPEAKER_01]: J-FAR, that would change my life.

[SPEAKER_01]: Dennis Wright!

[SPEAKER_01]: Jover the Moon!

[SPEAKER_01]: B!

[SPEAKER_01]: B, have you seen the really stupid invincible meme?

[SPEAKER_01]: Or it's just...

Just Mark thought he'd do his dad.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that molly look at that as if we could finally B, B's.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've always wanted to B, a B.

It's so stupid, but it cracks me up every time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Clip, deer king.

[SPEAKER_01]: Jolly old jewels.

[SPEAKER_01]: Smell at ease.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kris can't think of a fun name.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay, Kris.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes artists just expect the silence.

[SPEAKER_01]: That guy said that maybe you're expecting the silence.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're expecting I necessarily know it if he has a fun name.

[SPEAKER_01]: The logic would be proud to admit it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Spencer and Leath Johnston.

[SPEAKER_01]: A dumb bitch juice just thrive in an intercorps bucket.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just pour some of that dumb bitch juice in a corpse bucket.

[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds kind of cozy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Alan MC.

[SPEAKER_01]: RL Steins, leathery, apocalyptic pepperoni nipples.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, [SPEAKER_01]: Complex, better yetty with a flaw than a big foot without Wyvern, Angus Keith, Big Old Dumber, stuck in the 5.5 minute hallway.

[SPEAKER_01]: Get out of there, Dumber, you don't want to keep him sporing.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not worth it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Even if it's a metaphor, get out of there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nathan Galindo, J.

Fin Crane, Jackie Bay, Ari, Andrew, Shelley Castillo, [SPEAKER_01]: Vensor a 13, Van Little, Snack Wells Cookie Monster, Cameron Murphy, Thanos Shack.

[SPEAKER_01]: Have you guys seen how Shax has put in his name on like everything now?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's all like a shack truck arcade game at around one and it looks up and it was for a cartoon starring in Shax where he ran a garage with talking cars and then they just saw an ad for him selling not car insurance, which he's already doing, but now with a car company, he'll sell you cars.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's a monopoly on cars and Shax should not happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: I fear you, I respect you, thank you for supporting the show.

[SPEAKER_01]: Patrick Nielsen, Energy, Avery, Stack Reiner, Mike a simple name, Mike C, technically, and even simpler name, like C.

Kid chaos, un-easily gazing at wars.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to row out into the lake?

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to maybe like beam some over the head with war?

[SPEAKER_01]: Curious, but you're gone.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kid chaos, which is what's going on with you.

[SPEAKER_01]: fog, bread, just a ghost, zane, and cobalt puppy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you all so much for supporting the show, thank you for supporting stories that stick.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love you all.

[SPEAKER_01]: It could do the show without you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll see you next time.

[SPEAKER_01]: you've reached the end of this episode of Stories It's Stick.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hosted Produced by Chad Kwan, hey, that's me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Associate Produced by Jacqueline Heidi Kwan, edited by Cyrus Soleimon, theme music by Ed Skutter.

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