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[SPEAKER_02]: So how do you think you would do in an effective apocalypse?

[SPEAKER_02]: How do you think you would handle it?

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, this is actually something that me and my wife have talked about before.

[SPEAKER_03]: We pretty much just said that it's like this on the apocalypse app and we're just going to kill ourselves.

[SPEAKER_03]: So probably not too well.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, are you gonna either any asterisk to not immediately just like off feed yourself or you're just like who's it happens I don't know it's hard to it's hard to think about because it's like okay, so here's what I have a whole philosophy about the like dichotomy of surviving and living which is actually I think like a topic that a lot of zombie stuff covers where it's like [SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand what the driving, you know, maybe if it came to it, maybe the will to survive.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, actually, once the time comes to it, you're like, whatever, I'm going to try and live.

[SPEAKER_03]: But it's like, what is what is staying alive just to stay alive, doing for you if you're not actually living?

[SPEAKER_03]: If you are constantly scared at every point in having this round, and there's like no chance, basically, I'm going back to, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: a life later on and where you can just kind of enjoy the beauty like what what is like like Selena and twenty eight days later when she's asking Jim and it's like what exactly there's no more books will be made no more movies will be made and at the time I was like I don't know maybe what are you guys will have a song in your heart and you'll write some music together that'll be the first [SPEAKER_03]: I think the bigger point is like no song that will be surprising to you has been made like yeah I can write the book myself but I'm never going to read someone else's thoughts again here someone else's part put behind a tune so I can still make stuff but like the last movie me being able to see through someone else's perspective has been [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but what if what if you're surviving and You have ability to like hold out for a little bit and down the street is somehow still a blockbuster Are you not gonna be like I should at least watch I should I never have to see Ponyo.

[SPEAKER_02]: I see all the other be as lucky as ever see Ponyo.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let me watch Ponyo before I die now.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's really haunting about that is basically that is how I think about living right now It's like oh wow everything sucks [SPEAKER_03]: But like, the fantastic four is coming out at the end of the world.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I kind of want to be around to see that one.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm just like, well, I'm not going to die before I see Avengers doomsday, you know?

[SPEAKER_03]: So I got to see it go until this.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's due to still the one keeping you going.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think I would have definitely was like make it to end game.

[SPEAKER_02]: You have to see end game.

[SPEAKER_02]: End game?

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, honestly life wasn't all that bad before like, you know, obviously we have certain political stuff going on before it end game, but like I would say free.

[SPEAKER_03]: Pre COVID and second term was kind of an entirely different world from where we are now.

[SPEAKER_02]: It does feel like more than a decade ago for sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: We should get into this by the way, introducing the podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Goosebuds.

[SPEAKER_02]: A podcast we cover young adult media, classic nostalgic stuff like Goosebumps, Santa Morphs, but also sometimes guests come on and talk about media that gives them Goosebumps.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm joined today by Ben Reveed, our wonderful editor on the show for the last year or so.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hello everyone.

[SPEAKER_02]: Ben, welcome.

[SPEAKER_02]: You might know Ben a little bit if you've been listening to the Patreon bonus episodes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Ben was on last month on our first.

[SPEAKER_02]: I call the counselor meeting.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just changing it back.

[SPEAKER_02]: Ben, I'm making a call right now.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're calling it campus beds again.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why we changed.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was good as well.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't mess with like the branding.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: Campus beds, but we got to talk a little bit of Marvel and video game stuff then.

[SPEAKER_02]: But Ben, we are talking about some spooky stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: I asked you what gives you goosebumps.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you picked one of my favorite films, twenty eight days later.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and it is long, long, long since been one of my favorite horror movies of all time.

[SPEAKER_03]: It may have slipped slightly behind sinners at this point.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's so much, it was really, I was trying to decide between twenty eight days later and thirty days of night, which maybe might have been like a little easier to cover on yours, because it's like a comic book as well, and it's a little bit more like campy.

[SPEAKER_02]: I do like thirty days of night.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how much I like thirty days and I just because I love Ben Foster.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have like, you know the guy who comes up he's like kind of like the vampire familiar.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just a sucker for that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wait, no, that's not.

[SPEAKER_03]: Who's the guy who plays the like God?

[SPEAKER_03]: No.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember any of the lines from thirty days and day.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's that one guy who was like, we could look it up and totally answer for it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking of the guy who was like the first guy in, who kind of seemed like a drifter and he's essentially familiar.

[SPEAKER_03]: You think he's like a drug addict or something, but he's actually like the familiar of the gang of vampires who are about to like come into town.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think you're thinking of Danny Houston, Danny Marlow.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I love everything.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's like such a good character.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's, I mean, again, I'd say Ben Foster.

[SPEAKER_02]: Name does just bring to you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, hold on.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're not top of thirty this feather.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're top of twenty days.

[SPEAKER_02]: Different days.

[SPEAKER_02]: Twey Disneyland.

[SPEAKER_02]: You say to maybe he's having a bump to have a dinner.

[SPEAKER_02]: So again, it's also a fantastic film.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I totally get that.

[SPEAKER_03]: And before I break into the main topic, though, you saw Superman.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I was kind of hoping I could get some thoughts on the new Superman.

[SPEAKER_03]: What you thought about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I was going to save it for the next camp because I'm gonna be a little bit teased.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's give it a go.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I have a feeling we probably had similar thoughts.

[SPEAKER_02]: I small.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there's a huge spoiler stuff for Superman.

[SPEAKER_02]: I had a lot of worries.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you did Ben that it was just going to be up too much stuff even from the trailer.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I don't.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's Kaiju and Betoborfo and also the engineer and crypto and like I don't know that just seems like a lot in the trail of the justice gang and I think he kind of made a work like I really enjoyed it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I love it man, and I think the one thing I that that can be trusted now is that James gun [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of has it down to a formula of how to introduce a bunch of disparate aspects and kind of make it all fit into like one contain show or movie.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's like really proven.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's got like the group dynamic down well where you can introduce so many characters and it feel not rushed or forced or anything.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I actually make it realized, I think a long time ago I was kind of apologetic for Avengers ageable trunk, which I think is like maybe unfairly hated on more than it needs to be for what it's doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: At the time I was like structurally, this film is impressive in how much just like it's standing based on everything it has to introduce and you can definitely feel the weight of it sometimes.

[SPEAKER_02]: We got to get vision in there and like everything's kind of just like, yeah, it's more about function over style and story.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think this movie did that better in terms of, like, yeah, I totally get how you're getting the justice gang in there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we should, uh, I enjoy.

[SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like you also had a pretty positive experience.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hot, hot takes superman's better than Ultron.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, as a movie or as a character as a movie as a movie.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's a stronger film than age of Ultron Yeah, which you're right.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's overly hated on I was one of those haters until I re-wet and watched it again like five four or five years ago now And I was like, okay, this is not a good movie, but it's not nearly as bad as I remember it being when I first saw it theaters.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like [SPEAKER_03]: There's some entertaining parts.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's got some pretty hot lines in it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But, yeah, that's not some memorable stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've had to work on projects.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you have a tube end where the show you're working on is part of a bigger franchise.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it has to, you are getting notes and stuff to set up other things that you don't want to put in your story.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I felt that in Ultra.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was a lot of like, we got these five other roads we need to build for future movies.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a shame that that's how this movie's being told.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was a little busy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I don't want to I don't want to glaze weeding too much, but I was impressed structurally story of like pulling it off.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, say what, you know, sometimes you do kind of have to separate the arc from the artists and and just so he didn't has proven that he is a horrible person, but damn, but he does know how to write like a good show.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is one, you know, I'll share some, I think I can share this to be without revealing my source.

[SPEAKER_02]: I heard years ago a cut ending to Ultron.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think this is like a deleted scenes or anything because we both know those movies are made in really weird vacuums and also scenes are bordered.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like action stuff is bordered without like the script being finished and then you're kind of like trying to get to the sequence like [SPEAKER_02]: They already had Killmonger versus Black Panther figured out.

[SPEAKER_02]: They were fighting in an underground subway, filled with a uranium.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, how do we get him there?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, Ultron had a lot of that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And at some point, there was an idea from people I know who worked on on Marvel stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I think it was a better ending to Ultron.

[SPEAKER_02]: Currently, ending of Ultron is very underwhelming.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just three guys fire a beam at Ultron.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just vision and Thor.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think Iron Man just like fire military beams.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, no, too many beams.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the character you own for being unkillable because like he has so many copies you can never like finish all of them off for good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there was something and there was something.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I also think he made a student by Brady with that point, so that's whatever.

[SPEAKER_02]: Apparently there was an earlier of sure there was twenty versions of this ending, but there was a version where I thought it was a clever idea that [SPEAKER_02]: it was focused more on the stark ultralation ship, which is a cool idea there, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, it's been even hit on how Ultron's like mimicking Stark's personality, but like, he hates Stark, and it was supposed to be this idea that like, Stark would Ironman would lure Ultron away from all the doomsday stuff, [SPEAKER_02]: Like, come and face me head on your main body, face me, come to the suit.

[SPEAKER_02]: It all turns like hell yeah, I'll get my hands on you and surprise inside the suit is banner and banner just hoax out.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, it was like, it was like a Trojan horse thing and banner hoax out.

[SPEAKER_02]: I like that way more and supposedly we'd, or someone was like, that's too good of idea.

[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't you save it for another movie and then they never did it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's probably should've just done it there in that movie.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Ultron is pretty charming.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, obviously, as like a comic book reader, I always chafe at the fact that it was Tony Stark, who created Ultron instead of Hank Pam.

[SPEAKER_03]: And like, why is he kind of look still damp, man?

[SPEAKER_03]: Like if Tony Stark was framing him.

[SPEAKER_03]: And now you got all these people who are movie only saying like, what are you talking about?

[SPEAKER_03]: Iron Man creates all kinds.

[SPEAKER_03]: No.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's not my choice.

[SPEAKER_02]: Comics haven't retroactively somehow changed that at this point because so many other things in the comics have changed because of.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: That is a good, frankly, it's honestly astounding that Marvel [SPEAKER_03]: state as semi consistently good up until end game as it did with the insane way they were movie making where they didn't have scripts done and they were just basically like doing re-rice and re-rice and re-rice and changes and changes up until the release of the movie and that's one thing James Gunn bringing back the superman was like we're not shooting a movie until we have a good script done at this point.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy that that's a brave take to have.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh you had like every other movie has done.

[SPEAKER_02]: And animation, we both work in animation.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's a common thing, too, especially for features and teams like of projects being made without a finalized script or a chain.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like, I get you revised stuff and reiterate, but yeah, that's nuts to me that executive producers are just willing to be like, we gotta go.

[SPEAKER_02]: We got a deadline date.

[SPEAKER_02]: We've admitted a whole age, same July, twenty, twenty seven.

[SPEAKER_03]: I do think Kevin five years like [SPEAKER_03]: like kind of brilliant and he has such good ideas and such a knack for telling these stories that before Marvel got too big he was able to oversee everything and basically kind of rain it into his big plan but as they started making more and more and shows and like more movies were like four movies were coming out of here and like another six shows were coming out of here and he was like barely overseeing anything at that point and it also kind of spiraled [SPEAKER_02]: I don't disagree with that entirely, Ben.

[SPEAKER_02]: I do always wonder because I fight these interests because we as nerds know now him is sort of like the MCU Stanley.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm always like, and then now in retrospect, we're like, well, how much did Stan actually create these things?

[SPEAKER_02]: How much versus like another writer that Stan, I don't want to come in hard on Bashed Stanley too much, but there's been more.

[SPEAKER_02]: A counter-conversation of like, well, did he really take credit from other writers or artists like he was part of it, but yeah, how much of him.

[SPEAKER_02]: I do always kind of curious about like internally and all of these films have teams that aren't even credited.

[SPEAKER_02]: So are like their entire studio is one by line in a studio that are all working on these things and I'm like, I mean, some of our favorite stuff in the MCU, maybe it was foggy going like, here's what's good and I'm a taste maker to it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I could be by as like a nerd who works in a VFX comp is like fans are really going to like if cap picks up the hammer.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're absolutely right.

[SPEAKER_03]: These are all like huge team appers.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think just like a strong oversight is like she sure necessary as well.

[SPEAKER_03]: I have like great stories.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's like the story.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know where it's called, but a book came out about Marvel.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think last year or so.

[SPEAKER_03]: It really talked about Kevin Byee's influence on and how he started as like, you know, he started as like a production assistant.

[SPEAKER_03]: But in the room, he always just kind of got, he was like a huge comic book fan.

[SPEAKER_03]: So he always kind of just understood the comics and what comic book people would like to see and what would be popular.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so I, yeah, everybody definite like these are huge team.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I also think there was a, when he was able to have a hand on the ball, he was just able to reign things in.

[SPEAKER_03]: a little bit.

[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_03]: Just suppose we're having twenty different projects a year.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he doesn't have to do all the work.

[SPEAKER_03]: Just sort of like someone at the top who knows.

[SPEAKER_03]: God, if we had someone at the top who knew like what was a good idea and like had a vision for like ten years down the line and so the like the people we have at the top now like Zass love.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, too.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think we would be in a completely different place in animation and entertainment as well.

[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, Ben.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right, Ben.

[SPEAKER_02]: I want to talk about this for another hour.

[SPEAKER_02]: We got to say it for campus, but if you want to hear that, check out our Patreon.

[SPEAKER_02]: We'll have that discussion, especially Superman.

[SPEAKER_02]: We got to talk about Superman.

[SPEAKER_02]: But we want to talk about twenty eight days, totally very different than these films.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think also, but maybe a way to get into it too.

[SPEAKER_02]: We, you know, Ben and I first groups started doing this episode.

[SPEAKER_02]: We actually [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just part the curtain.

[SPEAKER_02]: We did an episode where we talked about it.

[SPEAKER_03]: What is that supposed to say that?

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm part of the curtain.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm part of the curtain.

[SPEAKER_02]: Come on in.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let me see what's behind it all.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, Ben, you're gracious.

[SPEAKER_02]: We had this whole discussion that was really good combo.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, wait, twenty eight years just came out.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking around twenty eight years.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go see this film and then come back and talk about both of them at the same time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we're doing both twenty eight days later and twenty eight years.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to talk about weeks.

[SPEAKER_02]: I do not like weeks.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have problems with weeks.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Ben, do you feel the same way I do about weeks?

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't hate it.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's just kind of forgettable.

[SPEAKER_03]: It took like the horror, the like such a good horror movie and turned it into like a generic action.

[SPEAKER_03]: military movie and yeah, I have rewatched twenty days many many times and have seen twenty eight weeks once.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I got to jump into twenty years.

[SPEAKER_02]: I will say speaking of military stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was really worried going into years.

[SPEAKER_02]: Garland has, uh, right around Scarland has seemed very obsessed with military stuff recently with Civil War and I'm blanked on a war zone.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's such a generic name.

[SPEAKER_02]: battlefield.

[SPEAKER_02]: What does it call?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like a Call of Duty subtitle.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, Oh, God, is this just gonna be like military porn in this one?

[SPEAKER_02]: No, that really?

[SPEAKER_02]: No, a little bit of it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely the first trailer had me so excited for this movie.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then the second trailer showed a lot more like axony military stuff happening.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, oh, oh, no, please don't go down that route.

[SPEAKER_03]: But no, it was great.

[SPEAKER_03]: I loved twenty-eight years later.

[SPEAKER_03]: It has some issues that we will go over.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but honestly, the military guy was like, one of my favorite characters in the history.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and by the way, somehow, if you're listening to this podcast and you were, yeah, we're going to spoil both twenty-eight days and twenty-eight years.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's coming soon.

[SPEAKER_03]: If you care about spoilers and you don't want to be spoiled on twenty-eight years later, stop this podcast right now, go watch twenty-eight years later and then come back in and we'll talk.

[SPEAKER_02]: Likewise, twenty-eight days.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think with twenty-eight years actually a lot this week and I don't know what's necessarily fair to hold against the movie.

[SPEAKER_02]: I do think this is one of those films where the trailer was so good.

[SPEAKER_02]: But also I think kind of invited a different tone than what that film is.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, the first show is so scary.

[SPEAKER_03]: I still don't even understand what it is because they use it in the movie, too.

[SPEAKER_03]: But like that, like, twenty-eight, seven, six years.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know what I thought it was and someone listeners might be able to correct us was because I was really obsessed with the idea for years ago of number, number towers, like radio channels.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: that are just sort of like repeating messages, playing a kind of like in twenty-eight days with what the military's doing in that one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, oh, there's some sort of cryptic message that we'll uncover.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it just had this like really haunting turn.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like a nursery rhyme or something.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like a nursery rhyme.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no.

[SPEAKER_00]: Look at what in front of you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Bo, bo, bo, bo, bo.

[SPEAKER_00]: Moving up and down again.

[SPEAKER_02]: But that's not, but it's even though it's in the film, it's not really in the film.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like they realize what tracksively the audience is really responding to that thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you should put it in there somewhere.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, especially at the beginning of the movie my thoughts as an editor was like someone used to like bump the editor on the nose with a newspaper like these cuts are wild We're getting a lot of like very weird touch that like honestly [SPEAKER_03]: For me, at least personally, aren't conveying anything, particularly, aren't adding to the scene.

[SPEAKER_02]: No joke with the mixed media edits.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love the, there are edits where we see like the infected in like night vision.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that I really loved.

[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was really a really cool part.

[SPEAKER_03]: But then there's just lots of people like archer like old archers and like [SPEAKER_03]: medieval kingdom.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that drove me up the wall bed.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mentioned it on social media this last week and a few people were very upset and be free with saying that that was a bad editing.

[SPEAKER_02]: I found that stuff so frustrating.

[SPEAKER_02]: the shots of modern day archers and it's really cool right this town in Scotland this island oh yeah this essentially I got that it's a castle like immediately and so they're training young boys to make arrows and fire them real cool stuff I don't know what the editing was supposed to do to cut to old like what film footage of medieval like I get it film I know what's happening here it's just a very like dude [SPEAKER_02]: Do you understand?

[SPEAKER_02]: We're back to old days.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, do I got it already?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we understand.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, and I found myself thinking in the movie like, man, this town, twenty eight years later, after like being caught in an offer, infection seems so much better a life than like what we're living now in this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, dude, it was kind of cozy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, capitalist.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's like, hey, how's it going?

[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's working on their bikes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is like to me a socialist paradise everyone's just writing bikes are still got power Rangers.

[SPEAKER_03]: What else do you know?

[SPEAKER_02]: Which I yeah, those power Rangers actually pays off at the end, doesn't it?

[SPEAKER_00]: It does.

[SPEAKER_00]: It does.

[SPEAKER_02]: I remember when he the the young boy by the way, that boy is fantastic.

[SPEAKER_02]: We always have great [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so good, but that that set up of the island that I believe is a real landmass.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Is like so you're saying whenever an infected outbreak happens you're just you're just out.

[SPEAKER_02]: I do fantasize about saving my friends and family and I would come for you and be like [SPEAKER_02]: I got a utopia.

[SPEAKER_02]: We got a miniature fortress.

[SPEAKER_02]: We got a thunder dome, and you could come stay with us.

[SPEAKER_02]: That is my the hardest hitting joke in friendship, which I think you saw.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: To me, it's just at one point, Tim Robinson fantasizing about saving Paul Rudd.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's literally been my in my head.

[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people is like [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I have the the nerve and the smarts to do all this.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know in reality Ben, I can't run very fast.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be dead so fast.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I'd like to think about saving all of the people I care about and making a new world.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, let's just do it, man.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're like, right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, let's just go on to an island like with all of our money.

[SPEAKER_03]: they make some kind of like calm you now somewhere there's like six six bedroom mansion in Italy that is selling for eighty five thousand dollars wow the only requisite they have for buying it is you have to live there were six other people and but there's also like [SPEAKER_03]: six other six bedroom mansions on the property and you can buy the whole thing for like two hundred eighty five thousand dollars.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you could just own like six mansions live there with your friends.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's out in like this.

[SPEAKER_03]: You would have to place an Italy probably like you have to grow your I'm assuming it's secret in the middle of nowhere.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's probably hard to get supplies to there.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but if you just pull your money with your friends, you're living in an Italian villa.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're just eating pasta and, you know, watching power Rangers and life is a good again.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would love that, but I've had all these plans.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've thought about like, well, how do you keep raiders off your base?

[SPEAKER_02]: And my theory is you have to make your base look like your full of deranged lunatics.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like you got to hear the reverse from Firefly, where if anyone attacks your base, it's such a little good idea of how we describe it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It attacks your base, so they're still here flagged.

[SPEAKER_02]: But like if anyone attacks your base, you keep one alive and you bring them into like a darken room where you've set up a theatrical thing where like, [SPEAKER_02]: like meet the spider queen and then one of the people in your group like descends on why you're innocent.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you listen things that they barely survived until the others.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so they just tell everyone else, don't go, don't go to that peninsula.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's the spider queen.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'll just all live fine and we'll never put on weird mass.

[SPEAKER_02]: We just live our lives.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I think the acting in twenty years later is fantastic.

[SPEAKER_03]: The boy did a great job.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think the mom did a great job.

[SPEAKER_03]: Aaron Taylor Johnson, fresh off his last Hunter role as Craven.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think Aaron Taylor Johnson is a victim of, well, no, he's not even.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's a victim of grooming.

[SPEAKER_02]: We know that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do we?

[SPEAKER_02]: Do we?

[SPEAKER_02]: There's, uh, maybe that's hearsay.

[SPEAKER_02]: But of the idea that he has a thing that people realize that he is in a relationship with an older female director.

[SPEAKER_02]: who knew him when he was underage.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is sort of a weird Hollywood relationship.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I like him and kick ass.

[SPEAKER_03]: I did not like him in Ultron speaking of age of Ultron, but that's hardly his fault.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Even though he should, quick silver should be a cocky asshole or something about that one that wasn't fully headed for me.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then are you seeing bullet train?

[SPEAKER_03]: Never saw bullet train.

[SPEAKER_03]: Never saw bullet train.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's so good in bullet train.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's a little bit more of a divisive movie I really liked it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know some people found it kind of like boring or whatever.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's like just like this kind of like cock me [SPEAKER_03]: Gangster detective guy and he's like so good in it and he's kind of a little bit more bullet-trainy in this one.

[SPEAKER_03]: So check that out one out if you have any interest.

[SPEAKER_02]: I always been to a little bit and you know, I think he's solid and fall guy.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's a feel that didn't hit exactly as much as I wanted to, but it's still pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm holding a good sim in I was so on board Godzilla, twenty-fourteen, but I love but I was on board Brian Kranston.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was so in.

[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, Aaron Taylor Johnson isn't like the soldier.

[SPEAKER_03]: Duck it in that, is he?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and he's dating.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and he's dating Elizabeth Olson.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's married to Elizabeth Olson.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like in the same year or whatever you're seeing age of Ultron where their brother and sister, they're like making out.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's legitimate theory.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's just canon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the comic where all the Avengers know that they're like boating on the side and captain.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that's all right.

[SPEAKER_02]: It all.

[SPEAKER_02]: Why not camp?

[SPEAKER_02]: Why not cap you in your ninety-pitchies ways.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's innocent.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's cool.

[SPEAKER_03]: I had no, I did not realize that he was like the generic soldier that I did not care about in Godzilla XIV.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know maybe I can maybe that's not his fault, maybe that's the script directing, but I was so unbored.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that first aspect where he cramped in a suit size.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm like, I was carried away.

[SPEAKER_03]: I feel exactly the same way.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like all of the trailers and all of that had to do with Brian Cranston.

[SPEAKER_03]: Brian Cranes goes so good in the first part of this movie and then they kill him off like fifteen minutes into the movie and go on to this generic military plot.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like a son I guess but I just did not care.

[SPEAKER_02]: So Aaron Taylor Johnson as the archer dad in this so he's that he's down archer even though he used to be a rival with an archer in Ultron.

[SPEAKER_02]: Who knew how much this conversation has been Ultron related today been?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think he's doing actually I really liked how he is a dad in twenty eight years like I genuinely kind of like what he's trying to instill in the boy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's he's doing the kind of the last of us got a war like listen and very close up until he slaps his son is doing decent dad stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_03]: Up until he cheats on his wife and slaps his son.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I don't want to go to bat for the guy who's cheating on his wife, but there was something about that scene is so poignant, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: So Alfie, I forget his real name.

[SPEAKER_02]: Spike, Spike, I should remember his name.

[SPEAKER_02]: Spike, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Spike, after he's gone out and done this first hunting round, I thought they were going to kill some animals.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was just purely learn how to kill the infected, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And coming back, narrowly survived.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's the weird, like, Elden ring a sequence of running through nights as it as infected right takes you across the river.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And coming back and celebrating that, I love that entire sequence because it's also like, [SPEAKER_02]: kind of claustrophobic, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like he kind of feeling lost in this amount of like, well, we lied about what I really did out there.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not the giant slayer and dad just trying to boost my ego, but everyone's drick in and he catches his dad sneaking out.

[SPEAKER_02]: I could see, I don't know if I won the pie guys want to go so hard for like, it's okay to cheat on your wife when she's dying of cancer.

[SPEAKER_02]: But there was something of like an unspoken thing that just the boy didn't know about, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I almost took that as like, [SPEAKER_02]: As far as we know, we have the wife and husband had a conversation.

[SPEAKER_02]: We'll never know, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's tough.

[SPEAKER_03]: The cancer has spread to her brain and she's experiencing like dementia, like symptoms.

[SPEAKER_03]: She can't remember conversations they've had, who she is, whether like she's talking to her father or husband or her son.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And like, yeah, again, we're not, we're never condoning that kind of action, but he, you know, clearly felt that like he's not even really in the relationship.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was sympathetic to him, at least.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a point in your supposed to be because like these are all shades of gray, but you cannot, I was, I was shocked.

[SPEAKER_03]: how like the sun just like cut Aaron Taylor Johnson out of the movie for like the second half of the movie.

[SPEAKER_02]: I did not expect that to be yeah if you would ask me where we were we'd stopped the film like a you know thirty minutes in as like okay this film is about them [SPEAKER_02]: Dad and son, coming out and getting either like brought into a bigger conflict.

[SPEAKER_02]: We got lost.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was back.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it would be very much like the last of us.

[SPEAKER_03]: But they finished their father's son time like, yeah, thirty minutes, forty minutes into the movie.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I was soft when they like just came back to base.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, oh, wait, really?

[SPEAKER_03]: That's interesting.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then I guess it kind of, you know, way works out.

[SPEAKER_03]: It wouldn't, I wouldn't have personally done it.

[SPEAKER_03]: But the boy just takes his, [SPEAKER_03]: Cancer written mom out into the wilderness himself for the last half of the movie.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, to try and reach this doctor out there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's in it.

[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, this is all of this too, but I'm always constantly like if this was a standalone film, I think I would find all of this time spent with the dad and then abandoning that entirely to be really off-putting and sort of like lower by opinion of this film.

[SPEAKER_02]: But since we now know that this is part of a trilogy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm assuming, okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I guess if this is episode one, the dad stuff's going to come back later, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's hard to look at this as a standalone and maybe in a couple of years when the bone temple and the third one comes out, it'll be like, all right, this all [SPEAKER_02]: made sense.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was frustrated at the time that Spike was taking his mother out.

[SPEAKER_02]: I totally get why.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's nailed the motivation.

[SPEAKER_02]: The boy has been lied to.

[SPEAKER_02]: He has seen a fire off in the distance while they were camping out and like know that there's a doctor but he's crazy.

[SPEAKER_02]: It still was just I think my hairs were raised because of what I dislike about twenty weeks so much was I hated how dumb the kids were.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, those kids were awful.

[SPEAKER_02]: And to bring into twenty eight days, I think one of my favorite things with twenty eight days is that every character makes pretty well-motivated decisions.

[SPEAKER_02]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, everything, everything feels pretty like this is what they would do.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like this isn't just like an idiot plot where people make the dumbest decisions to move the story forward.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like this kid cares about his mom so much in the only way he's going to find out what's with her.

[SPEAKER_03]: is if he goes out and finds his doctor and his dad is not willing and now in his eyes, not deserving of joining them on that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the film's aware of it, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: The film isn't like we thought we're, yeah, there's a version between motivated bad choices and just we need the plot to move forward.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's what twenty eight weeks, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Twenty weeks is a lot of like, I swear we're going to talk about twenty eight weeks, but weeks is a lot of like, well, how do we have the infection breakout?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what if [SPEAKER_02]: We have somehow no guards covering the one-and-fact woman.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then when it affects it happens, we put all of the survivors in a dark underground garage with no doors.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of those are like, oh God, I could just feel plot like forcing itself.

[SPEAKER_02]: Twain days and years, I think is much better about that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, well, I'm okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: Other than the fact that in twenty eight days later, they have like the most infectious disease ever created by man, and there's like no guards.

[SPEAKER_03]: Apparently, so that's the- Oh, one of the monkeys.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the animal rights activists can just break in.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, no ones here.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then they just break in at least the apocalypse on.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you think that there would be like, I watched Megan two point out recently, and they have a similar sort of McGothin, where like, I'm not gonna say what, but there is something being stored in an underground base, but it's so heavily fortified, it's like under seven layers of concrete, seven floors of like differently guarded areas, and it's like, okay, well, where was this kind of like motivation for the rage virus?

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and that's totally fair to you.

[SPEAKER_02]: When I, I think I'm just gonna be so like defensive of twenty eight days, so I'm fair to agree.

[SPEAKER_02]: I always took that opening, which is so good, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's brutal, the, the animal liberation front type people coming in and breaking out the monkeys.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a little bit of like two thousands take on, I think, like progressive people like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, of course, they'd cause the virus to help break these.

[SPEAKER_02]: These dumb hippies, they don't know, bleeding heart liberals.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's even though it's so clearly the company making a rage virus.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, what the fucking point are they even doing there?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not sure what they're trying to do down there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Following the Jurassic World Logic, probably just will turn it into a weapon somehow.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, maybe.

[SPEAKER_02]: We'll put it in foreign countries and disableize them.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I always was okay with there's no guards because to me, somebody like a government biopsy, not biopsy, but like a website, you know, a weapons grade lab, almost being like [SPEAKER_02]: We're not paying it full attention.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like a black screen.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna pick the locks like that kind of dumb mentality.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love that opening twenty eight days.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's very, I think it's one of those brutal things in the whole movie.

[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about this before our podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: Shot retroactively later for the film originally wasn't part of the story.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like was just going to start with Jim waking up and it's interesting to see.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man, we should show how the, how the virus broke out.

[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we shouldn't start the movie with Jim's whole song on screen.

[SPEAKER_03]: and we'll put a little bit of a buffer, but they really went up that with years.

[SPEAKER_03]: If we saw Jim's whole hog, we saw Jim's entire ripping hog, a barn yard in, twenty-eight years, Samsung was hanging.

[SPEAKER_03]: Penging sausage, pretty hard.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about all the pieces in this movie bed.

[SPEAKER_02]: There are the both of these films.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, twenty days, yeah, we, I think at the time, it felt very like when I saw this movie in high school, I was like, ah, this is art house cinema because there was nudity in it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Silian, Silian, okay, Silian, wait.

[SPEAKER_03]: Is he killing him?

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's call him old birthday or Jim Jim waking up naked in a hospital.

[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about this.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why he's not wearing clothes for a hand in.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, so he says a bike a bicyclist hit him and knocked him unconscious for several weeks.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the bike ripped off his clothes [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was a career.

[SPEAKER_03]: He was on a delivery for a package.

[SPEAKER_03]: I believe he gets hit by a car.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then he wakes up two weeks later, just couldn't knew it as the day he was born.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure why it's like they were maybe like this all happened when they were checking his body for like a year.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, here's the head cannon.

[SPEAKER_02]: they were they were changing his his linens right they were like yeah middle of like sponge-bathing him and giving him fresh clothes and and that was the moment the infection hit the hospital yeah worse awkward timing of him being yeah leave him leave [SPEAKER_02]: it's it really does set this tone of like Jim in twenty eight days waking up and just being like level one of a video game right like yeah and and that's definitely the point behind it to like he is completely unaware of what's happened he's completely defenseless that [SPEAKER_03]: that's definitely the thinking behind him being naked like he has no idea and no way to defend himself against this virus because he just like has missed the entire thing so he's yeah he is like a fresh freshly born into this new world as he wakes up yeah that's very that's very good comparative literature analysis but I think that's totally the right way to hit right that's the that's the film school and thank you very much [SPEAKER_02]: Um, not so, not so in twenty eight years.

[SPEAKER_02]: Where?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh god, yeah, so I think it's okay for us to keep hopping back and forth to compare and contrast.

[SPEAKER_02]: Twenty eight years, right, hogs out everywhere.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I get what they're doing.

[SPEAKER_02]: I founded a little I rolly at the idea that there's alpha infected.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's so funny to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: I love that they've introduced like video game sub types.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: These infected.

[SPEAKER_03]: Personally, I love the worm eaters.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're such a creepy, like fucking oh subdivision of this that just like there are these bloated bodies that just crawl around eating worms out of the ground and that's actually interesting too because this is [SPEAKER_03]: If I can remember, this is the first movie that we see the infected eat.

[SPEAKER_03]: Do we see that in for me?

[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's a great question.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: If anything, I feel like them not eating is a plot point in twenty eight days, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, um, for sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: Aquastin is the sergeant running, you know, the main bad guy of it is like, I have Mueller or whatever his name is chained up outside because I want to see how long it takes for them to starve to death.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: that end shot of twenty days, which is very hopeful, right, is like they moved to the Scottish countryside, they're waiting for help.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're seeing like amaciated infected, just sort of burning out in the street, you're like, okay, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: They should point, they take it out to eat stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: They sure know, interesting eating, they don't eat the humans, they just ravaged them and in fact, them like, [SPEAKER_03]: They don't, they're not zombies.

[SPEAKER_03]: They don't eat human flesh.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: We actually, we talked about that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think that just given that it's, it's due to the twenty eight days later, interesting idea of a new version of zombie, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Which the word is never used, just directed.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just in fact.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is like, I think pretty paramount for introducing some pretty big ideas that we were effect, you know, media afterwards, the walking dead, for example, I don't think would be where it is without twenty eight days, like, for sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: zombie films have definitely felt like they were a past thing, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like you had the seventies and eighties and those zombies were very much like weed brains and even before that was like oh the more voodoo type zombies of like reanimated boxes and there's sort of like necromancer somewhere in the reanimator.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_02]: Pets up here.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, that's the other one too.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're burying that you're burying you in a enchanted soil because Native American Indigenous magic.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think this was such a like interesting way for two thousand not to get too political, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: But like it is feeling very much of its era of like we're kind of worried about the war on terror.

[SPEAKER_02]: We are like sort of feeling this like progression.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think all the shots of the but the monkeys are showing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of, I guess, making them into rage into a refirus was both so relevant of that moment and then was really hitting this last year, watching it again.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'd like these could just be the protests that I've been seeing in the last couple of months.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, uh, I'll honestly not very subtle commentary when you look back at it, where it's like, [SPEAKER_03]: These monkeys are being shown television in twenty four or seven of like things that are happening around the world and it's driving them insane with raves it's just Twitter like it's just it's a commentary on like what this kind of increasing globalization [SPEAKER_03]: Not in like, we're like getting to know other cultures but in the fact that we can now see what is happening like all of the injustices that happen around the world at all moments and our brains are just not meant to have that much of an insight into all of the injustice that happens in the world.

[SPEAKER_03]: As much as we want to look at and be aware and life [SPEAKER_03]: You know, for the original term, where you are staying, staying awake to the injustices that happen, our brains literally just can't comprehend the level.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's how the time of Saturday's early internet days.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was sort of like, [SPEAKER_02]: road rage and airport fights and meanwhile I think was a sort of like break out of like mad cow disease so I think I can totally see whether we could put these two sort of common modern concerns together and then there's to be asked definitely some weird you know political despite all of that sorry if some of this is retread been for what we talked about before I think it's also you know interesting that even though it's very like two thousand one two thousand you know in America we grew up in a very like pro nationalist [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, mentality after nine eleven there's and this one was made before that should call our right we should mention that that like the word parallels of find of Jim finding sort of the wall of like missing people was almost actually complaining about as I always is too close to what happened after nine eleven it was like no it's just a coincidence because they feel not before that tragedy happened yeah, but I think all of that being said despite it being very like okay well that was a very like conservative [SPEAKER_02]: militaristic like, you know, we support the troops.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's interesting that in the twenty eight days, the military is bad.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's a very negative portrayal of armed forces.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is interesting isn't it?

[SPEAKER_03]: And obviously, this isn't an American movie, so they're not quite the same sort of galvanizing around the military.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if any country is galvanized around the military as much as America is.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is interesting how in that time of like increasing conservatism they did definitely show the military I was like rate this sexual assault there's I don't know I don't know if that's just saying that they need to like imposing order is the only thing that you can do but where it can be ugly or what what [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a good question.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's so funny because I think now this is again before this movie was made we didn't want to wash in like endless zombie media, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: I think even the video game is despite like Resident Evil and a few other ones, you know, house of the dead.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was still kind of a fresh concept again and now it's so obvious to be like, did you get that we man is the real monster?

[SPEAKER_02]: The real monster is right like walking dead.

[SPEAKER_02]: That big line is like, we are the walking.

[SPEAKER_01]: We are walking dead.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think at the time to have this sort of reveal of at the end of twenty eight days like we've been going through all this turmoil.

[SPEAKER_02]: We've lost people.

[SPEAKER_02]: We've seen evil evil infected and to find that like humanity is truly the real evil even less about military but just like [SPEAKER_02]: these eight dudes are awful monsters.

[SPEAKER_02]: Worst and infected in many ways, really like, I saw this in the early high school middle school blew my mind.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and so it's interesting now with the insight of twenty eight years later, we have a little bit more insight to on what's going on around the world at the same time, because when they get the military base, they have that one general [SPEAKER_03]: or sergeant feral sergeant feral's like you're you're talking about like repopulating the earth and what you're doing the whole world is going on around us there like other countries don't even know what's happening with countries of island why wouldn't you they cut us off yeah like and he proves right like the the plane flies overhead at the end of the movie and then now we we know in twenty eight years they're like just other countries who have completely quarantined off [SPEAKER_03]: The island and are going about, you know, having Uber eats and having iPhone's in.

[SPEAKER_02]: That was the crazy, that was the crazy part of the whole, yeah, I think that's where that military character you mentioned before.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking at what his name was again.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, yeah, like he's a sweet right or like, French.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sweet ass.

[SPEAKER_02]: Sweet ass.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like coming in, he and his group were like, it almost was a little, sorry, it's a wandering critique a little bit Ben.

[SPEAKER_02]: I actually liked that sort of random B plot of like, here's nine military dudes.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're in over their heads.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now we're just kind of up to them.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the fact that Eric was like, yeah, our ship ran into something and we crash lines, I was like, how do I want to see that, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Or like, are you, are you building up to a resident evil Delgado?

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you played Resident Evil Four or where there's like, [SPEAKER_03]: was there a fucking swamp monster that like took your boat down that you're building up to probably not but yeah I don't know it would be interesting again we've got two other movies that might tie back into this I actually I will give a credit note that you've said it I do think that the [SPEAKER_03]: The random cuts at the beginning set me up to accept the random interludes of this military team and not question it too hard like whether this was something that had happened in the past and they were going to compound it or if it's happening in the current.

[SPEAKER_03]: Some of those yeah, maybe it did kind of help easy into the later cuts.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's an interesting point.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think personally I would be, I was more into the cuts to other things in the time, like in the modern time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: You refer to, we're sort of just getting shots of like spike in his dad, I think, or spike in his mom find a ripped up like deer carcass, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's heads been ripped off.

[SPEAKER_02]: The Alpha's love ripping heads.

[SPEAKER_03]: They do.

[SPEAKER_03]: They love pulling out the spinal.

[SPEAKER_03]: It must be so satisfying.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're amazing.

[SPEAKER_03]: I would probably do it to you if I had that power, like the chirp and the pole must be like incredible.

[SPEAKER_02]: It reminded me of my Gruber.

[SPEAKER_02]: Where that's my Gruber's oldest move is ripping throats.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was the one thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: I always wonder how much is like, is that like a, in the mind said that these, these infected once were human, is there something deep in the alpha's head of like, I played mortal combat?

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the cool thing to have to do is rip off someone's head.

[SPEAKER_02]: But that moment I'd like find in the deer and the head on the tree and then it sort of cut to like last night.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is what happened.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's better for sure than random film footage of archers.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I do remember going like, I don't think I need to see that to understand what happened.

[SPEAKER_02]: I get it like, in fact, it got a deer and they have some version of culture by coordinating the skull on a tree.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's very interesting.

[SPEAKER_03]: The deer also, I'm pretty sure they ate it as well.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that's more letting you know that these things are eating to survive now, along with the worms.

[SPEAKER_03]: They've got some kind of rudimentary culture or religion.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now we're going to, it's like, land of the dead.

[SPEAKER_02]: Tighten the dead stuff of like, oh, they're starting to remember, or this is a IM legend.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is the new society and the human being outliers.

[SPEAKER_03]: It'll be interesting to see like what that is, what that is saying about how like the people infected with the rage are now starting to like form a culture again.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm really interested in the next couple of movies and sing what that's all about.

[SPEAKER_03]: Super special again that there's just levels of infected now and like you can be the super fast anyone or you can be stuck being a worm eater just like it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm so I'm so curious.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you just like get you're an infected and you like fall down and so you're just like, well, I'm just down here.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll just be honest.

[SPEAKER_03]: It seemed like they were reproducing because there was like a little girl.

[SPEAKER_03]: There was a little girl.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there was a little, there was a little, there was a little like just like the chubby ones are on the ground.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like a subcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: or something.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm all for that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm all for just like almost like evolutionary like branches and it's cool.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think actually doesn't more than what the last of us has two types of infected, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like there's covers and then there's big guys who will also rip your heads off and then there's like a rat king one in the last game I think.

[SPEAKER_02]: But like they I think this game is this this game this movie does have a lot of video game mechanics to it.

[SPEAKER_03]: It does.

[SPEAKER_03]: It certainly does and I think that's [SPEAKER_03]: Probably intentional.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's so heavily the last of us with the bow hunting and all of that.

[SPEAKER_03]: It definitely feels like it's drawn on a lot of video game mechanics at this point.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Alex Garland had said, oh, band Garland too.

[SPEAKER_02]: Garland had said for twenty eight days that he had been kind of inspired about the project like replaying Resident Evil.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that would have been like wrestling with one and two and yeah, there's some interesting where I don't know if he got Danny Boyle to play it, but there's like a lot of shots in twenty eight days that are almost like wrestling evil camera angles.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like like up in a corner of a room.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of disorienting where you suddenly are and who everyone's standing.

[SPEAKER_02]: That feels very wrestling evil.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then now he's working on the Elden Ring movie.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like [SPEAKER_02]: He's got some video game knowledge that's clearly in infecting his storytelling.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I hope in the next game there's just like still some of the door complete blackness that goes [SPEAKER_03]: when someone's gonna like enter a new room.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the one, the one to do it, not to pivot too far off conversation.

[SPEAKER_02]: I gotta say, I think my most hyped movie.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're talking about earlier, Ben, I'm like, what's, what's keeping you going?

[SPEAKER_02]: What's your, you know, maybe it's Doomsday for you?

[SPEAKER_02]: My number one thing that if I could time jump to any movie and see it now, it is Zach Craigger's Resident Evil movie.

[SPEAKER_02]: The guy who did Barbarian and he's doing weapons, which was just coming out in a couple of weeks.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very excited for her.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm also great.

[SPEAKER_03]: for that, but I did not know he was making the Resident Evil movie.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I'm saying it now.

[SPEAKER_02]: I might be eating my words in a year.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think maybe he's the one who's gonna get the tone right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, because barbarian was kind of Resident Evil a little bit.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: It is goofy and scary at the same time.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm very hopeful for his resident evil.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, yeah, I think there's some gaming stuff in here.

[SPEAKER_02]: Even though twenty eight days to bring it back a little bit, I just want to talk about how much I love the characters of twenty eight days.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like if twenty years they're fine and I think spikes really well motivated the mom's sweet and yeah, we got to talk about Voldemort.

[SPEAKER_02]: Refines, but twenty eight days.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think about this script a lot because really if you just gave a high level understanding of what these characters are, there's not a lot to them.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I love Jim.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love Selena.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love Frank and Hannah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, I think they're such a good core group.

[SPEAKER_02]: without anyone being sort of like tropey.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think Jim is really interesting protagonist of he's beyond just never making really a dumb call.

[SPEAKER_02]: Everything he's doing is very much like I've never heard of zombies.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think this is zombies going on.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just confused.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm naked.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm picking up Pepsi cans in London tearing into the juiciest Pepsi cans that like [SPEAKER_03]: The world is ever seen.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh man, it looks even though I'm sure those weeks old and warm that looked real good Pepsi yeah much better product placement than bad in web in this movie.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes [SPEAKER_02]: But like, I love Jim, even though he's so generic that I think a lot of audience members could just kind of implant themselves on him.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's got just enough lines of like kind of jokes, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I can buy why he and Selena despite only knowing each other for a couple of days or starting to hit it off.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's charming.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, this is the start of of Selena Murphy's career really.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure he's been subbed before this, but this is like his breakout role, I think.

[SPEAKER_02]: Naomi Harris as Selena is like, my girl.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love her.

[SPEAKER_03]: She's such a badass.

[SPEAKER_02]: Such a badass.

[SPEAKER_02]: But also, we are talking to this in the previous episode.

[SPEAKER_02]: I thought of her as like, before there was Michonne in the walking dead, there was Selena.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so Michonne always felt a little bit like, I'm gonna write the edgy as cool as character I've ever seen.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's got a samurai sword and she's got zombies to follow her on chains and like yeah Selena doesn't need to do any of that she's just I have machete if you're my friend and you seem like you're infected I'll kill you instantly and I'm just trying to fucking get through this like I would take her in a heartbeat over machete yeah and and she proves to like chains she realizes that that's not the way to keep living like [SPEAKER_03]: her just like killing anybody immediately and not getting attached.

[SPEAKER_03]: She was living like we talked about earlier to the surviving to survive but she wasn't living and she realized that like having this family is what made having us like made survival worth surviving.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, her being immediately willing to like cut people loose, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Even after they meet Frank and Hannah, like they need us more than we need them.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is a great line.

[SPEAKER_02]: Turn it out around, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Getting attached.

[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I think it's such a perfect little arc of like she demonstrates to Jim that when her partner Mark gets maybe infected, she kills him immediately with a machete.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's brutal, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: And not particularly quickly, she's hacking away at him, pretty bad.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah, it's in terms of trying to be an efficient kill, but she maybe isn't the most one.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, big and very clear, like, I'll kill you in a heartbeat if I have to, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: And in the end of the movie, Jim, who now looks like maybe he's infected, he's evolved into to realize Jim, he's doing such clever stuff to take down the military guys and save Selena and Hannah and Selena's about to swing, but she like holds on that one second and he's like a took you longer than a heartbeat.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's so good.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So good.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then they kissed.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hubbard in blood.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, well, you guys should probably wipe your faces off just in case it would be real shame.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're all right.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting.

[SPEAKER_02]: How do you feel like I actually don't want Jim or Selena or anyone for the first one to come back?

[SPEAKER_03]: No.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't either.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm the kind of person who didn't even want Ellie and Joel to be back into, like, you told their story.

[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was a perfect story.

[SPEAKER_03]: Their story is done.

[SPEAKER_03]: Let's move on to some other characters.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I was super happy to realize that that zombie, like, the flower field was not Jim.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's the one that, like, they thought so too.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought so too.

[SPEAKER_03]: trailers.

[SPEAKER_03]: Super looked like him in the trailer.

[SPEAKER_03]: It does even really look as much like him in the full movie.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think they realized that it kind of looked like Jim, which is why they focused on him so much in the trailer.

[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, but Boyle and Garland are like, we had no idea people would do that.

[SPEAKER_03]: She was like, you guys kind of, you definitely knew you definitely knew.

[SPEAKER_03]: Why would you focus on this one zombie?

[SPEAKER_03]: So, when you've gone like, I mean, that's real.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've got a lot of misleads.

[SPEAKER_02]: The one that I found is the most interesting mislead is that trailer, I feel like one of the most iconic shots in it, behind the bone temple, which we realized what it is.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's like a strange mask I've never seen before.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we see it in the, but we see it on the trailer.

[SPEAKER_02]: That trailer really evokes like we're going to be dealing with a weird infected cult, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: None of that's the case.

[SPEAKER_01]: No.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that mask is just being worn by random people in, in the town in Toyota years.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like they're infected, like, as they learn to kill infected from a very young age.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so this is like the mask that they put on dummies when it's like the infected that you're killing.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's on the dummies.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, maybe that because you know, there's a shot that I'm like, what was the point of that in twenty years is when they're setting up for the party and there's like a little girl who walks in and while the other girls are setting up, she just kind of, and she has the mask on and she just stands there like she's infected.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I thought they're going to pay that off for like, oh, there's maybe it's just creepy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's why I think she's just trying to scare them.

[SPEAKER_02]: And there's, but no one acknowledges it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's like, oh, she's going to go think you guys are going to pay off.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.

[SPEAKER_03]: They could definitely come back.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's hard to talk about a trilogy when only the first ones come out.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I apologize if anyone listening to this in the future is like, you fucking idiots, you guys really awful.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was.

[SPEAKER_03]: Which would definitely happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: to your point, and what we're saying about them coming back, I would prefer Jim and Selena and Hannah, rest of Peace Frank, one of the most brutal deaths.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not even brutal, the horror is like it's so normal.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's unfair.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like my brain didn't deserve that.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, he lost his temper because they got to the place they were going and you realized that there was [SPEAKER_03]: like no hope like when are we gonna do now and like he didn't see he just yeah he lost his temporary yelled at a crow and that was his undoing that one drop was a little bit off yet it's been fortunate but I really think that they would have killed him anyway that I think the army guys were like waiting [SPEAKER_03]: for a chance to separate them and take Frank out.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, they could see that he was like the main protector of the group.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I think but that too.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot that that whole third act of like, wait, we've made it to survive, you know, safety.

[SPEAKER_02]: Why is this moving out over yet?

[SPEAKER_02]: And like, yeah, it's really ominous and creepy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, before they even play their cards, what they're doing, it's stuff like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, why did the army takes along to get involved?

[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't make you kind of want to like, how do they feel about Jim?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: But there's an early scene where I think the, I forget the guy's name.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's like kind of like the biggest dick of the military, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Just a generic run.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the one who's like the most into doing sexual crimes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like an early skimish with Jim and, uh, Eggleston, like, it's like calm down.

[SPEAKER_02]: Take it slow.

[SPEAKER_02]: So he's not saying this isn't going to happen, but he's like, pace it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, totally.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, really scary.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you don't want to scare them off before we have like everything set up.

[SPEAKER_03]: Don't want him to like start resisting.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we want the traps better sad and more secure.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, they never get into like, are they going to kill Jim?

[SPEAKER_02]: There's part of me that thinks that maybe like Eccleston's character was like, this guy can join us.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're bodies.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think so.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think he was, I don't think he's trying to like wipe Jim out.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's trying to get him on their side.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, understand that this is how we rebuild society, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: The proper infection is we make a new world here.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, also think it's worth, you know, kind of talk about is I loved this early dawn of zombie stuff in two thousand's, right, like, twenty days and dawn of the dead remake and shone of the dead, which would be in the funny version of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know about you, but I, I as a kid found it a very fun, like, not a wish for film, because I don't want people to die, but in a world where you see the world is corrupt, you're like, this would be my chance to rebuild, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: This would be my chance to fix everything.

[SPEAKER_02]: If a zombie apocalypse came, we could make everything better.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that'd be doing what that customer's doing.

[SPEAKER_02]: But we could make the, the, the commune, the hippie commune that we're talking about, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: We get a castle and live somewhere.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I, I think that there was like a lot of people that maybe got into zombie stuff for the wrong reasons, like a little bit of like doomsday prepers.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can't say I relate to that one.

[SPEAKER_03]: The only nightmares I had as a kid were about zombies and vampires.

[SPEAKER_03]: All of my nightmares exclusively were just like, there was a zombie outbreak in the JCC and now I literally, this is what I remember from childhood.

[SPEAKER_03]: The JCC, like there's a zombie outbreak and I have to fight my way through the halls and my parents always end up there and sometimes my dad gets bit, sometimes not.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, what's the JCC by the way?

[SPEAKER_02]: That's the Jewish community center.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, of course.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're like your local one, sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: That would be a reasonable place to shore up, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's where I spent a lot of time as a kid as well.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like where I went to preschool and kindergarten.

[SPEAKER_03]: But it's funny that you see that because there's actually a show on right now to an anime and it's called Zom-One Hundred.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen some one hundred.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's literally that it is like this guy is in a dead end job.

[SPEAKER_03]: He absolutely hates.

[SPEAKER_03]: He was like this idealistic thought everything was going to be great and then he gets in and he experiences like the toxic work culture and like the corporate bullshit and the zombie apocalypse happens and he is more free than he's ever been to just [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's a good joke at the end of the pilot.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and the color fills his life.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a pleasant feel.

[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it is, it's, I think you're, and I think you should leave fan as well, Ben.

[SPEAKER_02]: Very much so.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's, um, it's a line that me and my wife quote a lot from the one about the Darmide Doggy door, where it's like, you're excited because you're going to die.

[SPEAKER_02]: You want to go to work tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_03]: You think you're going to get eaten in your first thought as great.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have to go to work tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're relieved you don't have to go to work cause you thought you're gonna get in.

[SPEAKER_00]: What the fuck is this world?

[SPEAKER_00]: What is they done to us?

[SPEAKER_00]: What did they do to us?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's that time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it really does do us.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's that vibe for an anime.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it looks like a hundred.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was on one.

[SPEAKER_02]: So there's something culturally that, like, zombies stuff took off in a way that, well, I thought it would be fun to, kind of, like, buy way to your nightmares.

[SPEAKER_02]: I had recurring nightmares for years of doing the same thing, Ben, of, like, making a base and shoring up all the defenses and, like, my loved ones and friends and people are with me.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then the nightmare always ends with, like, damn it, someone left the back door open.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it was never my fault.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was always someone else in the nightmare.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I was like, fuck, ah, I didn't like the killing at all.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, there's definitely like fantasy that we had in the breakdown of the current world and the opportunity to sort of build this new one, which is kind of what we're talking about like buying a place in Italy and just starting a calm even like [SPEAKER_03]: just leave the old world behind and we'll start new a simple, good hard work and folk.

[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, let's let's let's talk a little bit more about like the bone temple part because I guess I love I I did not see this coming obviously like twenty eight days later has a mo it's it's well written and has emotional points.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why I was surprised by this but [SPEAKER_03]: It was such a beautiful poignant scene in this movie that we had, we had just seen an alpha zombies like ten inch penis wiggling around for like five straight minutes.

[SPEAKER_03]: We've seen a gross zombie pregnancy scene for Eric.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's killed way too soon.

[SPEAKER_03]: I love him as a character and was hoping he would be around for longer.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and I want to get back and talk to about him a little bit more because I think what he says about like the world is still going and it's so fucking funny when he shows spike like the pictures of his girlfriend.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, yeah, it's modern day society and he's like, what's wrong with her is she?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: kind of allergic action to fillers.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've seen this before.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen this before.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like my audience died.

[SPEAKER_02]: And otherwise it's why it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a whole time there had been really a joke and that seemed like killed in my theater.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, is this like, do you know what the internet is?

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, no, do you know what a phone is?

[SPEAKER_03]: No.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, my friend was like a Uber eats deliverers.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh, you don't know what that is.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like no context.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's such a fucking funny character.

[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, this bone temple, the bone temple.

[SPEAKER_03]: Spike and his mother, basically the entire journey of this movie is Spike is bringing his mother out to this doctor who lives in the wilderness, who is supposedly absolutely insane because Aaron Taylor, Johnson saw him just lining up bodies in the giant, more fashion out in the fields next to a fire and kind of waving at him non-swans.

[SPEAKER_02]: Which, like, how much can I say?

[SPEAKER_02]: As far as things go, I don't think it was that crazy.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think even then I was like, no, that sounds like a guy who's just exposing to bodies.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how to say like, he's insane and he's eating them or anything.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, not super crazy.

[SPEAKER_03]: I can see where I would be scared.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's, you know, got like hundreds and hundreds.

[SPEAKER_03]: Clearly he's a man with a singular focus and that could be like kind of on his.

[SPEAKER_03]: but so they make it out to this doctor's play by rake fines.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's like orange as the fucking warfs because he's covered himself in what like iodine's.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's great revealed though because it's like in the trailers and stuff like oh he's like head of their blood cult.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's just literally.

[SPEAKER_02]: iodine helps repel the infection so I cover myself an iodine.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they find him and he has built this bone temple that has been basically like the shot used in all advertisement.

[SPEAKER_03]: It looks so scary.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's such a good device to like it kind of like the game the forest if you ever played [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, dude, I was about to force so much in this.

[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to put away the forest again.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't doubt that he was influenced by the forest because you've made like bone monuments and that and you scare off the tribe of cannonballs.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: The part where the alpha or one of the infected doesn't chase, but just stands on a hill and stares.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: That happens in the forest, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, come to the edge of your camp and just kind of like, [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so they get there and it's not like some horrifying like on his it's a tribute to everyone who has died in this infection.

[SPEAKER_03]: It is like him coming to terms with and like there was a quote I'm trying to think of [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, it's from Harry Potter Nevermind.

[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so we just think of a Voldemort say it's gonna be Harry Potter about that.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, I was thinking of like the story of like the three brothers who are trying to like get what up on death and then [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the last one.

[SPEAKER_03]: He lives a full life and meets death as an old friend.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's sort of like this, just he is preserving these people, just getting grips with death and has learned that this is all just a part of the cycle of life.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he's given the dead some level of respect and we show up.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: We see these doing the same thing with the infected of like where he's basically like a Jane Goodall.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I call the alpha for his name was like Bruce and Samson Samson much smarter better name, but like he's doesn't kill him.

[SPEAKER_03]: He just tranquilizes him and like treats him like a wild gorilla and yeah, and so it is at this point that he gets his mom to the doctor and he gives her a like a one silver and inspector [SPEAKER_03]: all very clinical.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm almost sort of waiting for some sort of shoot-in drop, but no, he's just a regular doctor doing what he can't do.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, live in hero veals that she has breast cancer.

[SPEAKER_03]: It has spread through her entire body and metastastas.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's what she was thinking.

[SPEAKER_03]: Those bleeds, all movies, which is why she has, you know, dementia like symptoms and it's been doing nose bleeds.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't think it was interesting like spike ass like [SPEAKER_03]: You're a doctor like I can go to the hospital and get medicine and he's like there's no medicine.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was curious that he didn't say like even before like being there.

[SPEAKER_02]: You still wouldn't be able to do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's I think this is all really powerful seeing small these are small nitpicks.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how you felt.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think I was pretty clear, even though I didn't have the cancer diagnosis at that point, like, mom's not making it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, no.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just, and I think that movie requires the movie requires you to guess to be like, ahead of spike so that when Ray finds the doctor is like, you know, someone should have told, it's kind of haunting, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of this stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: The dad should have told Spike about why I'm sleeping with another woman because you're not necessarily not in relationship anymore.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I lied about you killing stuff because it'll help you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like if they just communicate with the kid a lot of this would happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the mom saying, you know, I hoped I guess I feared someone would else would have told you what's going on with me.

[SPEAKER_02]: We could have avoided this entire trip.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, both frustrating and they were like, well, this entire thing didn't need to happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: But for a young boy's sense of grief, I think.

[SPEAKER_02]: totally works.

[SPEAKER_03]: This journey needed to happen for him, I think.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so basically Ray Fin says like you're you're going to die it's going to be very painful.

[SPEAKER_03]: I can help you if you want.

[SPEAKER_03]: Spike doesn't really completely understand it first.

[SPEAKER_03]: And his mom's like, it's, it's been hurting for a long time already.

[SPEAKER_03]: Stay here and go off.

[SPEAKER_03]: He uses a blow dart to inject her with a lethal amount of like pain killer.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Can we talk about that for a moment for a moment?

[SPEAKER_02]: Can we talk about that moment for a moment?

[SPEAKER_02]: I, I, I think it's probably the only way the scene could have unfolded the way it needed to.

[SPEAKER_02]: I struggle, I'm frustrated on spikes behalf of the doctor and the, well, I guess more of the doctor, them tranquilizing spike is actually to me maybe the most horrifying scene because it's taking control away from him.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: I will say it did not seem like it was they didn't like knock him out.

[SPEAKER_03]: It seemed like he dragged him with just enough to kind of mute his [SPEAKER_03]: Panic because he was still he wasn't like seeing things he was still kind of pretty much with it He just kind of it was just enough to like keep him calm and throughout this whole night and not fight back as I escort your mom to her death Yeah, I get what you're saying though.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's completely taking away his his like autonomy in the moment [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I thought about the different versions of my head of like they spend the extra time of getting spike to understand it and then he's like willingly accepts it and I do understand how those would be harder to get across and it would take more time and and respectively yeah, maybe a thirteen year old boy just wouldn't ever be able to come to that choice yet regardless of how many days you give him even twenty eight days might not [SPEAKER_03]: I will say I thought it was hilarious that he's still a minister of the lethal dose via blow like blow gun.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know.

[SPEAKER_03]: He just loves it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's just like saying I'm there.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's in it for the love of the game at this point.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's only just like let her drink it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he's like I gotta keep my proficiency with blowdark.

[SPEAKER_02]: So if I could like get a little XP about hitting you in the back, that would be really great for me.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really, I'm really sorry about your loss.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's an insane image, despite the mean surrounded by skulls, there isn't about the blow dart of it all that if it had just been a syringe or something.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, listen, compared to what where this movie goes at the end, this is all pretty pretty down the road.

[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty tight stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty tight stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's a [SPEAKER_02]: I come myself surprisingly moved by it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think it's true.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hit, but that whole scene of like the way it hits, the music comes in and that sort of dream like state of like, I mean, fuck, it is brutal.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think to still bring a boy, you're freshly warmed a demon or a demon, a demetified skull of your mom and be like, fine to place for her.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's beautiful.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy, but it's, yeah, it is a beautiful and horrifying moment for sure.

[SPEAKER_03]: It really can't be overstated.

[SPEAKER_03]: I love this movie.

[SPEAKER_03]: A large part because of this entire scene.

[SPEAKER_03]: It is like so beautifully shot, so touching, and then him like climbing the bone tower to set her skull at the very top of it and face it towards the rising sun.

[SPEAKER_03]: So poignant and beautiful, her son is is grow is rising is growing up and looking out towards the future and yeah just I so did not expect this from this movie and then Sam said comes back and they have to hide him he's like maybe you should go now though [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like not a comedic beat, but it is like Samson just being this threat.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they did Samson better.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think the part of twenty eight weeks that I found more frustrating than anything was I got what they were doing.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the idea of the dad who's infected, who's just sort of pursuing them across London, he doesn't make sense.

[SPEAKER_02]: I get, I'm like, well, if there's some level of him still in there, he's chase after his kids, but it was just so improbable to me in twenty weeks that I think they do this better with Samson.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, well, he's like, Hunter's breaking.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, infected has ever done that.

[SPEAKER_03]: They want the nearest target and they'll go after it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And like, they're not going to spend the energy traveling all over the country to [SPEAKER_03]: But Samsung, like, it's heavily, we haven't really mentioned it, but they're carrying a baby, the mom and his place.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's after his kid.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is a baby that an infected gave birth to that is somehow not infected, probably immune to infection at this point, which I'm sure will become a [SPEAKER_02]: Well, as Ray Fin says, the magic of the placenta was the magic of the placenta.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Alex Garland, I'm still pretty sore from men.

[SPEAKER_02]: These favorite films I've ever seen.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm we're wary of what we're doing here, Alex Garland, but okay, okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: So they're carrying what is largely implied to be Samson's child.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so Samson is now pursuing them.

[SPEAKER_03]: and Ray Fines is like, listen, I'm all for the beauty and death, but I'm not here to get my head in spine ripped out of my body right now, you guys.

[SPEAKER_02]: I thought we were about to lose him.

[SPEAKER_02]: When Samson gets his hands on Ray Fines, I'm so sorry.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so sorry.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think after everything he had done, a kindness he had done for them, he deserved to live and keep on.

[SPEAKER_02]: How did you feel about the baby overall?

[SPEAKER_02]: As it's like, because we barely talked back, and I think it's not as engaging to me as a plot point, but I don't know how you felt about it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure it will come into play in the, in the further movies.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm guessing it will become a Joel and Ellie situation.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, spike in the sort of now teenage baby, a hockey chick sort of.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so, yeah, I'm sure that's, I mean, I would guess that's where it's going.

[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I'm completely wrong.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is curious.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would, we gotta get to the ending.

[SPEAKER_02]: The, the baby thing I think was where I was, yeah, I was really, I don't know about this, I don't know about this film.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I don't know if this baby was survived, but it's being the best baby I've ever seen.

[SPEAKER_02]: That crying doesn't even melt.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's all good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I could go in and it has survived that long without it like being fed.

[SPEAKER_03]: Since then, born, I was like, oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: I guess and this yeah, and maybe at this point weeks is just not canon because they already kind of went back on weeks as ending was the infection spreading to the rest of the world like you saw like the iPhone tower or something infected.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think weeks has been de-canonized.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe they're like, yeah, they got into control.

[SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I was thinking about weeks and that like that kind of major plot point of that is that there's like carrier infected, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can be infected in not show signs.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's just a little too much like we fully believe this baby's not effect is like I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just babe.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's be careful about it or like yes give it a kiss and we'll see give it a kid or like or would spice drop in the baby off at the at the fort and he's gonna go off on his own journey.

[SPEAKER_02]: I do think he [SPEAKER_02]: I get it, because if he said it, they'd kill it, but I do think he needed to say in the note, by the way, this baby was born from an infected, keep an eye on it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, just something?

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that could be an entire plot point, who knows?

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there's, you know, that might be a thing that comes up, and she is a carrier, and that leads to the end of this fort.

[SPEAKER_03]: And drive the baby out.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, someone's nursing it and the infection spreads.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that way or something.

[SPEAKER_02]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a small, the baby thing was like, [SPEAKER_02]: It's somehow, yeah, it'd be very curious how it pays off.

[SPEAKER_02]: In this movie, I didn't think you actually needed it other than I could feel Garland and Boyle going, like, well, it's life and death.

[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a, yeah, there's a new born while someone dies.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then we get to the end.

[SPEAKER_02]: Which, by the way, the setup of what we didn't even talk about, the opening of this film, right, the young little blonde-haired boy showing him.

[SPEAKER_02]: It seems around the time of infection very much.

[SPEAKER_02]: It felt like we'll just do twenty eight weeks opening again, which is, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think Danny Boyle shot in that film.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's the only scene I never talked about for that film because it's a really good opening.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a really good opening.

[SPEAKER_02]: This film, to be honest, I feel like this was a kind of weaker version of that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just the way you shot and staged kind of comedic unintentionally in the way.

[SPEAKER_02]: Infected, we were sort of popping in through windows, like muppets.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to be too negative about it, but just people were like, oh, the start of this film was like, oh, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe Boyle doesn't have it anymore.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: It all is though to set up a young boy who is the only one who survives.

[SPEAKER_02]: He watched the tele-tubbies with a bunch of kids before the infected attacked.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he had a priest father who was what obsessed with the idea that this was essentially the end of days and welcomed the infected in.

[SPEAKER_02]: And this little boy runs off going like, why are you forsaken me, God?

[SPEAKER_02]: I dumbly thought Jimmy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Jimmy.

[SPEAKER_02]: But we did, we did there's a Jimmy and then a Jim from twenty eight days.

[SPEAKER_03]: So this was apparently, uh, this is based off of a real life, British, for lack of a better word, pedophile.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Jimmy Seville.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, Jimmy Seville.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm, it is heart, or, or very obviously, like, this is basically alternate universe, Jimmy Seville.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's interesting.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, and so, you know, we can sort of see that already in the sort of arrested development that he and all of his companions at the end are exhibiting like they are all reenacting power Rangers like they flip in and like have none chucks and they're like they're [SPEAKER_03]: It's a ridiculous tone shift.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like camera angles when they're like coming in are towards straight out of power ranges.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the upside down slipping forward.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they're looking multiple times.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is how we dismount off the cliff.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is like we're just showing off and we're all in color coded jumpsuits.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it was set up when Spike like lays his red range on the desk and he's like, I'll see you.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'll see you soon.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: He meets the Red Ranger.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So the Jimmy Civil thing and this is me just trying to pull out a two.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's interesting to see this is an altering universe Jimmy Civil.

[SPEAKER_02]: What I was reading about from British commentators when the movie came out was that timeline wise at the time of infection Jimmy Civil would have been on TV already so that get we'll find out in bone temple, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but they're like the [SPEAKER_02]: The common take I saw, at least that's why I was understanding, was not ultimately universal as much as, oh, without even saying it, Jimmy are now our adult who is leading this gang of ridiculous warriors would have modeled himself off of Jimmy Seville.

[SPEAKER_02]: from TV.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And tell us how he's is where the Jimmy Civil wasn't on TV, but it's we know that like, oh, he's, you know, an awful sex monster.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: The equivalent I saw someone compared to, which is really interesting would be if this has been taken place in America and then a bunch of adults showed up in Cosby sweaters is how I saw him to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is like maybe offensive that he's echoing this though.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably got to be intentional.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh for sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: The Jimmy is, but like then that also means that Jimmy, it all Jimmy wouldn't have known about all of the awful stuff that Jimmy's ability didn't got accused of based on the timeline I think.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that would be the quote of showing up in a Cosby sweater and only thinking, well, the Cosby shows amazing and I love putting pops, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, I'm modeling myself after someone who is amazing and outstanding, not knowing that this represents, you know, super fucked up awful crimes.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I think the effect is pretty immediate on anyone, probably British, who knows the story of Jimmy Seville, whether or not the character in universe does like people will recognize and immediately have a distrust towards this character, which I think is probably good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, and he's looking super scusy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Super evil.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how he has fake teeth.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how that dentists work happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was just love because speaking of sinners, you know, who's playing Jimmy, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it was, yeah, it was the it was the iris.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's really different stories.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Jerry, Jack O'Connell.

[SPEAKER_02]: Jack O'Connell.

[SPEAKER_02]: That guy is just crushing it this year.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like so little with that scene, but just it's like, come along, Alfie Williams, like, like, come on.

[SPEAKER_02]: Clearly, that middle part next movie has to be some version of like, I am meeting a bunch of like lost boys.

[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I totally realized they're all fucked.

[SPEAKER_03]: This ending was very divisive, but I was like sitting there, mouth-a-gave, and then the credits started rolling, and I was like, yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was unbored it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think I knew that there was a shocking ending.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Most of my friends I saw with did not, and they were mostly on board, I totally get.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, totally such a gear shift.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's so funny.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's honestly kind of felt like an SNL parody for a second.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just the way it's shot different, it feels like a director shifting gears into a different thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Imagine the next movie, even though it's not Danny Boyle, I think Neha DeCosta is directing it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, tonally, you should just feel incredibly different.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, all I had seen is people are like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Third act is fucking crazy.

[SPEAKER_03]: What?

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that is like the most insane ending I've ever seen.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I knew something was coming, but I was definitely not prepared.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think there was any world in which I could have envisioned what the ending was going to be.

[SPEAKER_02]: And apparently, I think the music they're attacking too is like a metal cover of the TeleTuby theme.

[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't clock that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't clock that either.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's so funny.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this is another thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think depending on how the second movie comes out, I love it right now.

[SPEAKER_02]: If that second bone temple movie just sucks, I'll be like, you know what?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's not twenty eight days for me.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it would just be like a thing where I just kind of like, it's a separate universe.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's just so different than the world of days, which is like a very realistic, like that groundedness of it, which makes it feel so, just like, gnarly, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_03]: I definitely got that, even just in the way.

[SPEAKER_03]: that it's like shot in this extreme low definition like it feels so much more real and so much grungier like some some shots are so grungier that they look like like still painting is like when they're oh and dude yeah [SPEAKER_02]: They're driving their driving the car through like a fuel of flowers that like it looked like a de-resd image.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like the the cult there's like no definition to it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have a cop a DVD copy I've owned for like twenty years But when I was looking up copies online to see if it's able for streaming I saw a lot of folks [SPEAKER_02]: Like, younger people going, I'm trying to get a copy of the twenty eight days that doesn't look bad.

[SPEAKER_02]: Where's the four K remaster?

[SPEAKER_02]: You don't get it.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's just good as it's ever going to be.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's the fucking point.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's fucking point.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like digital video and apparently it made it easy to like quickly do setups and London and we didn't even talk about how crazy it was that they shut down like London bridge.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Some amount of time for Jim to walk around in an empty London.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy.

[SPEAKER_03]: What if we can cut this out if you want?

[SPEAKER_03]: But what if, as like a bonus feature for a goose buds at some point, all at it down, as best I can, like, our first talk about twenty eight days.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then we can, like, put it to subscribers, like, just so that they can be your, like, the original twenty eight days later podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, yeah, yeah, because I think I leave this feel free to leave this all in.

[SPEAKER_02]: Ben, you know, yeah, let's, you know, yeah, we had a whole bigger discussion about twenty eight days like hitting some of these major stuff, but like more pop up point.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a great idea, Ben.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's totally make that a patreon bonus for for listeners.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to do that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, great.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was a, I really liked that episode too.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it would be a team of if nobody could get that one.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was a secret between you and me then.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think that's a great idea because that whole film, it's still, I think if I had to pick one, it still go days.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just for what it is.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's still in my top five.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a beautiful film years.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think I need to see how these other two come out, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can see that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I can see that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if you want, if you listen or want the twenty eight days later podcast, go find five people and tell them to subscribe to the Patreon.

[SPEAKER_03]: Use buds.

[SPEAKER_03]: We get a hundred new subscribers for one hundred new subscribers.

[SPEAKER_03]: We will release the twenty eight days later.

[SPEAKER_02]: Cut.

[SPEAKER_03]: This acts nice.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love this idea, but I think we should lower our number of things to be modest and reasonable.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that's a two new subscribers.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there you go.

[SPEAKER_02]: To this subscribers, we'll do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a fantastic way to look at it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'll otherwise like, other major stuff about about twenty-eight years worth quickly mentioning that this whole film was apparently shot on iPhones.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_03]: And like a crazy like they were like a two-two of iPhones that could like film them from every single vantage point.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, how did you feel about the kill cams?

[SPEAKER_03]: They were bad.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think I was on board for a couple times and then it was starting to go too much.

[SPEAKER_03]: There were some that like really took me out of it when they're first hunting.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're like first infected and like you see that arrow go through and then time stops for just like a second and then it keeps going.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like [SPEAKER_03]: come on like that is such like a it takes away the impact a bit like it makes it less visceral to see I would have loved just a more natural take down like they had in days but I don't know it was kind of video game me it wasn't really for me very like Call of Duty Killcam [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I think it was less is more.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I feel that's the same way about the kind of spliced in media, but you know, I'm just guessing if everything that Garland and Boyle are doing was sort of like now Jimmy is an adult is sort of like co-opting media and this is about sort of like a transformed nightmare world of [SPEAKER_02]: a culture built on like a misunderstanding, which is my bread and butter.

[SPEAKER_02]: I did an entire puppet show called Remember Hour about misunderstanding media.

[SPEAKER_02]: If that's what he's doing, maybe the spliced in footage makes more sense, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like you're kind of, yeah, working on it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I can see it.

[SPEAKER_03]: It felt very, did you ever play the game?

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, now it's Dead Island or Dead Island, too.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I never played those one familiar with them.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Those are really good games.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'd really recommend them.

[SPEAKER_03]: I really loved Dead Island, too.

[SPEAKER_03]: I loved Dead Island when they came out, but you know, [SPEAKER_03]: It is very much like tongue-in-cheek game-a-fied zombie game where like you play as someone who's immune to zombie bites and you're in the second one.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was like a wise cracking kind of British guy who was like sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: Had that legendary trailer of a jogger on Vendus Beach that everyone was like so stoked for I think.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it was like sounded like Jack Black, but I'm not sure if it like in the big deck Black, but very good.

[SPEAKER_03]: It felt a lot like did I win, which you guys should play.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, there's a lot of game, you know, I'm all for it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And to me, to wrap this up, even if this is gonna be a weird one, I totally also have any listeners who are like, I hated the Jimmy stuff showing up.

[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't even say it.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're all named Jimmy.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's not clear until you read the credits.

[SPEAKER_02]: All of those characters.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're all Jimmy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they'd been setting up.

[SPEAKER_02]: I loved the kind of like teasing of the body they found hanging is like, you could have read Jimmy's scrolled on it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love that build up to it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I totally also would completely understand anyone being like, I'm fucking out.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, extremely divisive and I don't think I could like blame someone for being like, that's fucking crazy man.

[SPEAKER_02]: What, what's cool?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like Danny Boyle's Sevadier something and just taking wild swings.

[SPEAKER_03]: Super.

[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate that so much.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think in like a world in which, and sorry to keep getting like this, we both work in the entertainment industry and have been beaten down by, right like notes after notes after notes in a world where like, [SPEAKER_03]: all of the people in charge are so risk-averse right now and like the only creativity is coming out of the NBC and it's really nice to see a big name movie like this takes such hard slings even if not all of them aren't it?

[SPEAKER_02]: So the guy who, the guy who made slim dog millionaire is like what if there's some some power-ranger zombie fighters?

[SPEAKER_02]: Wild wild wild wild.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know that I left that theater going that was not enough.

[SPEAKER_02]: I need to know more of what's going on with this characters.

[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_03]: It left me wanting more frippy hard.

[SPEAKER_03]: Luckily, we're in a little bit of a Renaissance for horror movies, I think right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: Not that they ever win a way, but we've seen it being at a time of some really good creatives, like original horror movies being creative.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so stoked for weapons.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so stoked for him.

[SPEAKER_03]: Have you seen the trailer for him?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I am.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very interested in him.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then that weird connection to the band him, the band Margaris to be a fan of, is like, wait, what?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, I never, I didn't know that.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a band I never listened to, but they have that like pentagram symbol where it's like part-heart pentagram and like band Margaris was obsessed with it and it was put on like the view thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's connected to power puff girls him.

[SPEAKER_02]: I hope so I hope it's connected to that one, but I think that band emblem was in the trailer for him, which is a good idea about like demonic football, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Like yes, it starts out as like [SPEAKER_03]: I'm in my opinion purposefully a generic kind of like sports movie like sure gotta give it a Sunday.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you got to give it your all.

[SPEAKER_03]: You got to like put all your all into it and then things start to fall thing and it's like now they're like get cattle prodding him and they're like how much are you willing to give?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's something like CTE in a player's, for sure.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like pentagrams, you know, like, oh, wow.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then I was like, I need to see this movie, for sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very excited.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think Corey's an interesting spot where that, like, we're at age twenty fours, we'll establish now to the point that it's almost trophy, but I think they're still putting on cool stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like, Bloom, uh, is what it's called, Bloomburg.

[SPEAKER_02]: Bloomhouse.

[SPEAKER_02]: Bloomhouse is like kind of ridden the wave of like, but every once in a while, they're getting a gym out there amongst all the other garbage.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we should save it.

[SPEAKER_02]: We should save for camp.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we should.

[SPEAKER_02]: We should talk back into on campus, but it's because that's wild what they did with that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, in between them are last talk.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've read all of the Hunger Games series.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, man.

[SPEAKER_03]: And also been on like a horror movie kick.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I also watched the substance and Kiku if you have seen either of those.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, I knew something just last night was telling you how kuku so I think it's time for me to check it out.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's quite interesting what I say.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, but it does have, it does have some interesting stuff in there that would make it worth watching.

[SPEAKER_03]: Also, hunter-safeers.

[SPEAKER_02]: Great, man.

[SPEAKER_02]: I do like, I'm bummed they didn't get the Legend of Zelda cast.

[SPEAKER_02]: I thought they would be there for a fantastic Zelda.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was that one.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Today I would continue my whole pattern and something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Congratulations, officially on being part of Pantheon of Goosebud guests.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, thanks so much for having me on.

[SPEAKER_02]: Is there any like social media stuff or people should check you out on?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you can catch me on a blue sky at Ink Ben Art, INK, then my name, Art, my Instagram is Ben.and.

[SPEAKER_03]: Ink, like Pen and Ink, but Ben, I don't really use social media that much, but [SPEAKER_03]: Trying to, I was off Twitter for a long time.

[SPEAKER_03]: Now I kind of browse it every once in a while, but on the same on Twitter and I, that I am on Blue Sky, you can, if, if we've got any LinkedIn people out there, you can find my LinkedIn.

[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of talk on there a little bit more as trying to kind of like methadone from Twitter.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's a professional method does.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good way to look at it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, you can find me here as then you're on goosebumps and yeah, and you're hanging out in the discord too.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, hanging out in the discord.

[SPEAKER_03]: I like talking about anime and scary movies and all that kind of stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: We should really just have like an episode about all the anime that's going on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the pothocary diaries and Gachi Akata and Donda Dawn is set second season and [SPEAKER_02]: I have a lot of thoughts.

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