So they're bombing the public relations department.

Adam Currie, John C.

Dvorak.

It's Sunday, September 14, 2025.

This is your award-winning Give My Nation Media assassination episode 1799.

This is no agenda.

We've got the magic number and we're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Yellow Country here in FEMA region number six.

In the morning, everybody.

I'm Adam Currie.

And from northern Silicon Valley, where wait, the roommate was a trans named Twigs.

What?

I'm John C.

Dvorak.

This is Crackpot and Buzzkill.

In the morning.

Yeah.

This whole thing smells bad, Mr.

Dvorak.

Well, I know a couple of things that are obvious.

Fox.

I have this clip from this morning I sent as a bonus clip.

Okay, you got it.

They are avoiding this topic like the plague.

Foxes?

Yeah.

I don't think it's going to last long, but Howard Kurtz's show, he does a kind of a clone on the media.

He's like one of the media guys.

He comes on once a week.

Oh, okay.

Deconstruct the media.

Does he do that on the weekend?

I don't think I've ever seen him.

Yeah, only weekends.

Okay.

It's like Sunday only.

I don't even think he does a Saturday show.

Okay.

And so it kind of came up in the conversation.

Man, this is the clip TG.

They went so far.

They just said they just dropped this like a hot potato.

Nobody wants to talk about it at Fox.

Megan, do the media need to know this?

Whether the report is that he was rooming with a transgender person, or is that just something to glom onto because then we can blame it on the other side?

I said earlier, all Democrats are out for murder, that kind of like painting with a broad brush.

I don't necessarily think we need to know the murder.

I think he was mentally unstable, and I think he committed murder, which is horrendous and unnecessary on a basic level.

But I think that we're always going to find people who don't like our views, whether or not they're moderate, whether or not they're left, or whether or not they're to the right.

I got a threat on Friday.

I'm a very moderate Democrat who comes on Fox, who comes on all the stations.

Yes.

And it's very moderate.

I should not be getting threats in my social media, but we do.

I'm sure you get them- But you have on this- Literally on Friday.

I'm sure you get them, and we all get them.

I don't care what their motives are.

They shouldn't be violent.

It shouldn't matter.

You should have the freedom to say what you want to say.

That's the end of story.

That's our democracy.

I think this is a part of something else.

I believe that all of the networks on all sides of the same spectrum, as they all are really, have all gotten the message, we've got to calm it down because we're all somehow responsible for this.

And you don't want to get fired because people are getting fired left and right.

Right now only left, but I think right is coming.

And the media has gotten some message to tamp it all down and not blame it on a side.

At least that's what it seems like to me.

Well, you know, the funny thing out here, it's kind of just completely dissipated from the whole thing is gone.

Oh, yeah.

No, I mean, I'm looking at the quad screen and Fox is talking to Mike Johnson for the past 48 hours.

Wow.

That's got to be high entertainment.

Oh, I have a couple of clips from this morning.

I mean, the guy's making the rounds.

But before we do that, everybody was waiting for Saturday.

You know, we had the, oh, you know, the FBI.

You got a press conference 20 minutes late.

We're looking at the empty stage.

We've got a, we got the four minute warning.

We got the two minute warning.

Okay, it's coming.

And then we got this.

In 33 hours, we have made historic progress for Charlie.

Wow.

In less than 36 hours.

33 to be precise.

You know, that is.

Hold on.

Hold on.

Hold on.

There's one more good.

No.

Yes.

Yeah.

Let me play all three.

Just so you get it all in context.

These are in linear fashion.

In 33 hours, we have made historic progress for Charlie.

In less than 36 hours.

33 to be precise.

Bad stuff happens.

And for, for 33 hours.

Why the laughter?

I was.

The laughter from the governor of Utah was the weirdest one.

As he turns around and looks at Cash Patel and says for.

Bad stuff happens.

And for, for 33 hours.

What is up with that?

This was Tina comes in from the bathroom.

She's like, what is going on?

I'm like, well, for almost 18 years.

We've been tracking this and we can't now.

All of a sudden, no avail.

Well, true.

But it's always, always something up with this.

And what was the emphasis?

You could have said in less than 48 hours, a little over 24.

Less than a day and a half.

No, 33, 33, 33.

This bugged me to no end.

Actually, the best of the group was he said 36 and then he corrected it to 33.

Yes, in less than 36, 33.

To be exact, and which is bullcrap, because we all know anyone who's ever worked for a living or done anything.

You can't pinpoint, you know, your, your success at a certain number of exact hours to be exact.

That's not even possible.

No.

So this was, so that's code.

Of course it's code.

And all of the stuff that's coming out and the information that's from sources, because mind you, I don't think there's been an official FBI.

Notice has it, has this person even been officially charged yet?

Because on Saturday, Kash Patel was very clear.

We have 36 hours to file charging documents.

So this person hasn't even officially been charged as far as I know.

The whole thing stinks.

We were at, there was a big benefit concert last night for, you know, for the flood victims.

Trace Atkins performed, if you've ever, if you've never seen Trace Atkins, man, that guy's good.

But the, my buddy, Mike, the, the sheriff, he was, you know, in charge of a lot of the security there.

And he's, and he came right up to me, he said, Adam, we, you know, I guess they may have some inside knowledge.

I don't know if Gillespie County Sheriff's office gets that or not, but he said, she is unlikely, but okay.

They talk, you know, people talk.

And so whatever talk there is, I'm just passing it on.

He says, one, no way.

He says, no way this went down the way they're saying it.

And then another thing which I found curious, he says, we've got a video with, with audio of two shots.

That I'm like, okay, well send, he hasn't sent it to me yet, but I said, send it to me.

I'd love to hear that.

Well, it could also be, it could be a ricochet, it could be an echo, but it's not like these guys don't know what that sounds like.

So the whole thing was, everything's off about it.

And you know, it just, you know, we've got the etchings on the casing, which we still have not seen.

We've only heard about it.

And we have, where's the photo?

Exactly.

At least with the other guy, they showed us, you know, his video showing all the etchings and commentary.

They showed it and put it online.

Almost like that was predictive programming.

You know, it's like, well, it'll be just like that.

You saw it, you saw it with that other guy.

So, you know, it's the same here.

Hey, the whole thing is just.

Well, it's one of those things we can't do anything about except note it.

Well, because we don't know.

No, no, but it, but it leaves, it leaves so much open.

And I think that's exactly the point.

Yes.

I mentioned that in the newsletter today or yesterday, which is that this is good.

This could lead, especially if something happens to this character.

Oh yeah.

How there were screwed.

How likely is that?

I'd be stunned.

Yeah.

And so we'd be stuck with this kind of speculation forever.

This is like a real time sink.

What's interesting about this particular case is the amount of stories coming out about people getting fired for their response online.

And I just, I just pulled one story from Ohio, which actually has three stories in it.

Just because you have a computer or phone handy, doesn't mean you can say whatever you want.

Monroe Falls City Council Vice President John Empolizari is feeling the heat after post-criticizing Charlie Kirk saying in part, quote, the world is a better place now that he's gone, end quote.

And 19 News has confirmed a Cleveland firefighter and EMS staff member are under internal investigation after the city was made aware of social media activity.

Cleveland attorney Danny Karen says the first amendment protections are not limitless.

There are certain restrictions on the first amendment, but as it concerns kids, teachers, whomever popping off, council people popping off online, saying awful incendiary things, not real smart.

Why?

Because a lot of us have codes of conduct or codes of ethics that control our work experiences.

You may be surprised to learn it does not matter if you're a government employee or work for a private company.

By the way, all the reports are similar to this.

It's like they keep talking about this thing called free speech, which I'm not sure what that is.

It's just, you know, what used to be called freedom of speech is now just free speech.

Like you don't have to pay.

It's like a podcast.

It's free.

You don't have to pay for it.

It's free, free speech.

And that this is that kind of turning it into a debate about, you know, well, I have the right to say whatever I want to say, which is ludicrous.

But the reason this is interesting is these city council people, other officials, like in the fire department, people at schools.

The reason they said this stuff is because they clearly thought everybody agrees.

This is what's so eye opening.

Can you hear me?

Yeah.

Can you not hear me?

No, it was my fault.

I, you know, this thing goes, it mutes itself.

I was just going to say in that list of people that you're talking about, you know who else got nailed?

Who?

George Conway.

Oh, really?

Interesting.

George Conway posted a picture comparing Charlie Kirk to some Ugan Nazi from the 30s and had a picture of them side by side.

And he's just getting blessed.

And this is, you know, I, every time I see this character, who's just a lunatic.

How did he ever hook up with Kellyanne Conway?

Who's a power baby, political power.

He had political power at the time.

That's what it was.

But, but she was an idiot.

But let's just go back to the, to the point I'm trying to make here is that they clearly thought it was okay to post this, whatever, whatever the post was, you know, it varied from, you know, oh, well, yeah, he said that some victims would have to fall for, for defending the second amendment to good riddance, all these.

But I, I'm convinced that these people truly believe that everybody around them had the same opinion.

But wait, wait, you had a thing about pre-programming earlier in your commentary here.

Yes, yes.

How about Luigi?

There you go.

There's the pre-programming because everybody was all in love with Luigi and then nobody got burned for it.

Exactly.

Ah, very good point.

Very good point.

Huh.

Isn't that interesting?

Well, and these guys are getting really the libs of tic-tac girl.

Yeah.

She has been posting one teacher because she, you know, she really goes after teachers, one teacher after another who have posted some nasty stuff and, and names the school and everything.

Well, well, she always finishes with the same line.

Do you want this person teaching your children?

Doesn't that prove the point that the entire education system believes that this was okay?

This is okay.

Everybody agrees.

Hey, if you could come back and kill baby Hitler in a time machine, wouldn't you do it?

Well, sure I would.

Which brings me to the supercut.

I've got a better one than the one we just kind of hastily patched together on, on Thursday.

This is primarily MSNBC.

Primarily.

But it's, it's not just talking heads.

It's, you know, the guests.

It's, it's, it's captains of industry.

Of course, Nancy Pelosi's in there as well.

And when you listen to it in this context of just a supercut, you go, well, yeah, of course I would come back and kill baby Hitler and Goering and Goebbels and every single one of the, of the Hitlerjugend, which, well, listen.

We have to start calling his supporters, supporters racist as well.

That MAGA, uh, had that MAGA symbol has come to represent something.

It is the new Nazi symbol.

It is the new, uh, could.

Because they're not a party, right?

They're Sinn Fein to the IRA.

They're, they're the PLO to Hamas.

They're a dime storefront for a terrorist movement.

The Republican party is basically a domestic terrorist cell at this point, and they should be treated as such.

There are elements of the GOP that are starting to look like the jihadists.

Not a political party.

They're a white nationalist movement.

They're a fascist threat to our nation.

That's not hyperbolic.

That's academic.

Would have once seemed hyperbolic, but it increasingly does feel like the Republican party has become a death cult.

And it's all about Donald Trump.

There is no alternative right now because the Republican party project today is a fascist authoritarian project.

Fact is, Republicans in Congress are still in the grip of the ultra-MAGA agenda.

Party of dupes, party of knuckleheads, party of weirdos, party of freaks.

That is a simple, simple message.

And underneath that, it's the party of nothing.

It has become an authoritarian embracing cult.

It is fascist.

We take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

And sadly, the domestic enemies to our voting system and our honor and our Constitution are right at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue with their allies in the Congress of the United States.

Trump's modern-day Giscopo is scooping folks up off the streets.

They're in unmarked vans, wearing masks, being shipped off to foreign torture dungeons.

No chance to mount a defense, not even a chance to kiss a loved one goodbye.

Just grabbed up by masked agents, shoved into those vans.

The old films of the Gestapo grabbing people off the streets of Poland, and you compare them to those nondescript thugs who grabbed that student, that graduate student.

It does look like a Gestapo operation.

Because if we just roll this clock on the wall back 75 years, we'd be looking at a time in Nazi Germany, where people ran around with signs like this new ICE sign that says report all foreign invaders to ICE.

With Uncle Sam there holding up the sign.

This could have been a Gestapo member 75 years ago.

Report all Jews.

Bolts of authoritarian personality in league with autocrats and kleptocrats and dictators all over the world.

They're taking direct aim at our democracy.

Autocratic-leaning remarks he has made in recent weeks and months, such as ones that echo Hitler.

Hitler in 1933 was talking about his designs on America.

And Hitler described you could get Americans to give up their own democracy and to be ready for a fascist takeover.

It's a disaster.

We need extreme measures.

Now, it's not that all the kids in the world are watching MSNBC, but you know every single teacher is.

Because remember the liberal school teacher from Austin who we used to hang out with, who we don't anymore?

She watched MSNBC religiously.

It was her church.

So this is what's happening.

Yeah, well that's why they had to, that's why Brian Roberts, the CEO of Comcast who owns MSNBC, had to spin it off.

Yes, he wanted out.

By the way, I have the Fox, actually this might have been the last moment that Fox News talked about the trans part of this story.

Breakout.

A Fox News alert, FBI sources tell Fox News Digital that the man charged with assassinating Okay, so the FBI sources, FBI sources, who do they call?

Fox Digital.

Really?

That's who they call?

Wouldn't they be calling Hannity?

No, we're calling, hey boys, let's leak some information.

Let's call Fox Digital, yeah.

A Fox News alert, FBI sources tell Fox News Digital that the man charged with assassinating Charlie Kirk was living with a transgender partner.

Bureau officials confirmed that Tyler Robinson was in a romantic relationship with someone transitioning from male to female.

They say that individual is fully cooperating with their investigation, claims to have had no idea of Robinson's plans, and is not currently accused of any criminal activity.

Oh, thank you very much for that update.

I want to hear some of the, I know you have some anal quips.

I think I can predict a quote from that trans woman when she, he, they, I don't know what her pronoun is, nobody told me.

The first thing she said was, you did what?

Okay.

It's going to ruin that person's life, it's going to ruin the family.

The family of the kid.

Luna is the person's name.

Luna.

I thought it was Twigs.

Well, no, that's the online, I don't know.

Who cares?

Luna Twigs.

Yeah, Lance S.

Twigs, also known as Luna.

And by the way, big mistake in this whole thing, sorry to say it, but why doesn't Tyler Robinson have a middle name?

This is not a good, this is not a, we're missing a middle name.

33 motif.

Yes, you have to have a middle name, three, which means three names.

We got to have the middle name.

So something's up here.

You want to just hear some of the morning shows since we got them from this morning?

This is all the latest.

Most of my stuff is the analysis clips.

Which is important.

I want to play those afterwards.

I want to hear the morning shows.

I'm sure we're gems.

Here's ABC this week.

This morning, the New York Times is reporting that in the hours after Charlie Kirk's murder, his alleged gunman, Tyler Robinson, was messaged in a group chat by an acquaintance jokingly questioning where he was, suggesting he resembled the man police were looking for.

According to the Times, Robinson responded that his doppelganger was trying to get me in trouble while making other jokes about the manhunt, including saying he was actually Charlie Kirk.

ABC News has not independently verified those messages.

Authorities announced the- By the way, do you hear that insert?

Hey, hey guys.

Listen, you just said that.

We need to add a little disclaimer there that we haven't independently verified what the New York Times said, please.

Because you never know, it could be bullcrap.

Including saying he was actually Charlie Kirk.

ABC News has not independently verified those messages.

Authorities announced- Did you hear the insert?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You could hear it.

It was a flip in.

The arrest of 22-year-old Tyler Robinson on Friday.

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.

We got him.

But until his capture, the suspect had been an unknown man in grainy surveillance images.

Images, authorities say, were recognized by the suspect's own father.

A family member of Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend who contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office with information that Robinson had confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident.

Authorities tell ABC News hundreds of investigators stitched the alleged gunman's path from the moment he drove onto campus at 8.29 a.m.

on Wednesday.

TMZ obtaining this video, appearing to match the description of the shooter, who police say appears to walk with a stiff right leg.

And that his ability to bend his right leg appears to be restricted.

Law enforcement sources tell us investigators believe Robinson was hiding his long gun under his clothing.

And at some point, authorities say he changed into the outfit seen in photos released during the manhunt and climbed up a campus stairwell to a roof at about 11.50 a .m.

And then he's seen dressed in a black cap, sunglasses, and a black shirt emblazoned with an American flag and an eagle.

Yeah, missing everywhere is him reassembling a gun that was either in his backpack or walking with a four-foot-long rifle with his legs bent up the stairs.

I mean, the FBI showed a picture, apparently it's an FBI picture, with the scope mounted in, according to our experts, the wrong spot.

It's just like the whole thing, the 33s, that got me right away.

Yeah, the 33 is a problem.

Since TMZ was mentioned in there, I didn't get any clips of this, but I should have.

There's a couple out there that are good.

Harvey's, you know, TMZ, I think, is owned by Fox.

And Harvey turned pale white and came out and did a thing.

Because during the announcement of the death of Charlie Kirk, There were tears, tears.

The staff, and this has been posted over and over again, showing the exact timeline.

Time codes, I know, the internet sleuths are on the case.

I'm telling you, the online sleuths are unbelievable.

So they had the time codes, the things all synced up, and they obviously were cheering, because exact same moment that they had made this announcement.

Harvey came on later in the show and said, though it was because they were watching the police chase.

Police chase, yeah.

And it was bullcrap.

And he was not, he was shook.

He says, we wouldn't have people working here that would do that.

When in fact, he's like a Trump hater.

And so he's only going to hire other people of like mind.

And it's just, it's pathetic.

Into position on the roof, then lay down in a sniper position, about 175 yards from the stage.

One minute later, as Charlie Kirk was answering a question.

Now listen to the edit on this.

You think Fox didn't want to talk about the trans information?

Listen to how they added this one.

One minute later, as Charlie Kirk was answering a question about gun violence.

Police say the suspect fired.

Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?

They're not zoning gang violence.

Great.

They pulled out the whole trans shooter thing.

Wow.

Pulled it out.

Pull it out.

That is deceptive and not news.

This is ABC this week.

From this morning.

That is, that is.

Disturbing.

It was more than that.

It is disgusting that they can't even present.

I don't know.

It's annoying.

Let's listen to the man of the day.

Mike Johnson appearing everywhere.

Don't worry, Mike.

Mike's okay though.

The burdens of speakership are always manifold.

You know that previous speakers I've covered know that.

But they feel particularly heavy after the events of this week.

I just want to ask you, Mr.

Speaker, how are you doing?

I'm doing okay, Major.

Thanks for asking.

No question.

It was a difficult week.

It's so hard for me.

For the country, certainly.

He had a throat.

He had a cough tale too.

Let's listen to that again.

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker.

How are you doing?

I'm doing okay, Major.

Thanks for asking.

No question.

It was a difficult week for the country.

Certainly, it was felt on Capitol Hill.

There's a mixture of, you know, anger and sadness and fear, frankly, on the part of a lot of people.

It cast a large shadow across the country and the nation's capital.

But what I do know, Major, is that my good friend Charlie would not want any of us to be consumed by despair.

He would want us to go forward boldly.

That was his message.

And to do it in love.

And I think that, I hope, is the message that continues in the days ahead.

Yeah, this is interesting.

So we're getting—well, actually, you'll hear in the next two clips that now all the politicians are very concerned for their safety.

Mr.

Speaker, you mentioned the word fear a moment ago.

It is on the lips of members of Congress in ways I've never experienced before.

They are talking openly.

They already have canceled events.

Other members are talking about whether or not it's proper in their family conversations to seek reelection.

This is—that's a great way to honor Charlie, to cower.

That's a great way to do it, cower and not show up in public.

That honors Charlie Kirk's memory.

Very good.

How do you feel this particular space of anxiety for your membership, Republican and Democrat?

Space of anxiety.

Wow.

Yeah, well, I've been talking with a lot of them over the last few days about that and trying to calm the nerves to assure them that we will make certain that everyone has the level of security that's necessary, that the resources will be there for their residential security and their personal security.

We're evaluating all the options for that.

But I think if we all adopt these practices together and we turn down the rhetoric, we cease with this idea that policy disputes are somehow an existential threat to democracy or the republic.

We stop calling one another names.

I mean, calling people Nazis and fascists is not helpful.

Look, there are some deranged people in society.

And when they see leaders using that kind of language so often now, increasingly, it spurs them on to action.

We have to recognize that reality and address it appropriately.

And I'm heartened to know, Major, and to see that many of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle are stepping up and saying that and addressing it.

I think this could be a turning point, frankly, to use Charlie's term for the country.

And I hope that's true.

You know, I will tell you that if this is what I think it may be, which is part of a larger operation to sow discord in the United States, to get people to hate each other even more than they already did in our country, I would be looking more towards other very big conservative voices.

If I were any of those big podcasters, that's who should be careful.

Well, that's interesting you say that because Tim Poole was on Jesse Waters.

Yeah, you got a clip?

I had a clip.

Did you have a clip?

I should have got the clip.

I have a lot of clips, but I can't get every clip that...

No, no, no.

You can just tell us what he said.

I, of course, did not see this.

So what did he say?

He said he has a contingent of bodyguards and he's had them for quite a while.

He went on and on about it.

I mean, he was actually quite...

I should have recorded it now that I think about it because Tim Poole was quite erudite in discussing this and it would be worth recording.

But he did mention in the process that, yes, he talked about the security that Kirk had.

He says he's got the same security because he's under a constant threat, I guess.

Does anybody care that much about Tim Poole?

I'm thinking bigger than Tim Poole.

I don't want to name names.

I know, but I'm just saying at the Tim Poole level, you have this.

I don't know who bigger would be Joe Rogan.

He's the biggest.

You know, you've got Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson.

You've got Candace Owens.

Yeah, Tucker's up there.

You've got people up there.

You know, if this is what I think it is, we'll get to that much later.

But first of all, we've got to blame it on something.

What?

I'm in that camp.

I don't see this as being anything more than it is.

No, that's fine.

That's fine.

I just have ideas and thoughts.

But first, we need to blame it on something.

This is still CBS face the nation.

Going to take a closer look at the problem of political violence in America.

And we're joined now, I'm glad to say, by University of Chicago Professor Robert Pape.

He's the founding director of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats.

Now, listen to this guy, because his numbers are all over the place.

Professor, it's great to have you with us.

Thanks for joining us.

What are the trend lines and what is the key terminology you want my audience to understand?

We are now in a watershed moment, what I call the era of violent populism in America.

This era is defined first and foremost by two factors.

Trump and Trump.

Number one, a rising tide of political violence on both the right and the left.

Our center at the University of Chicago Project on Security and Threats, we have been conducting highly reliable national surveys on political violence, the support for political violence among Americans for over four years.

Stop the clip.

So who is he to say out of the blue, highly reliable political survey?

Oh, it gets better.

It gets much better in this.

I mean, yeah, immediately.

That's to me, it's a red flag for a guy who's full of shit.

Of course.

Our center at the University of Chicago Project on Security and Threats, we have been conducting highly reliable national surveys on political violence, the support for political violence among Americans for over four years.

We started this in the summer of 2021.

Our most recent survey in May found higher levels of support for political violence on both the right and the left than we have ever seen.

OK, hold on.

He's had this highly reliable information for four years.

And now the information shows it's worse than we've ever seen.

But he wasn't surveying anything before four years ago.

No, the evidence is just the opposite, too.

I mean, I went through the 60s and 70s where you had you had unbelievable political violence.

Besides, you know, it's starting.

It actually started with the death of Kent, with the assassination of Kennedy, the assassination of RFK, and then the assassination of Martin Luther King, who is a high highest order guy you can kill.

There was Huey Newton was killed in Oakland.

And there was a bunch of Larry Flint, the publisher of Hustler magazine, was shot.

And George Wallace was shot in Ronald Reagan.

Ronald Reagan was shot.

George Ford, Gerald Ford was shot or shot at twice.

And you ended up with over a thousand bombings in the 70s.

And this is what we're seeing now.

This stuff that's going on now is worse.

Are you kidding me?

Well, we can all blame it on one obvious thing.

Does your research buttress the point that both Senator Lankford and Senator Coons made, which is the Internet is an accelerant and an amplifier?

It's an accelerant, but it's not the root cause.

So studying this problem now for five years, I found that just as around the world, big social change, it drives political violence.

We see this in other countries around the world.

But the details of the change vary.

We are now moving for the first time in our country's 250 year history.

OK, what are we moving towards?

Come on.

We've got to blame it on something.

What can we blame it on?

What are we moving toward in our 250 year history?

First time in 250 year history.

From my perspective, we're moving toward nothing different.

But I could see that somebody who's a lunatic that's been studying this four years, as you said earlier, then he suddenly says five years, which I find interesting contradiction, probably fascism.

No, much simpler.

Come on.

Simpler.

Here we go.

Populism.

No, no, no.

Here we go.

From a white majority democracy to a white minority democracy.

It's racism.

In 1990, we were 76% non-Hispanic white.

Today, we're 57% non-Hispanic white.

It will be another 10 years, maybe 15, if we deport a lot of those undocumented illegal immigrants before we make the transition to a truly white minority democracy.

Well, this generational change has happened, it started about 10 years ago with a real tipping point generation and corresponds with the rise of Donald Trump.

Why his issue of immigration is meteoric.

Why it's morphed from immigration, meaning stop people crossing the border to now deporting mass numbers of people because there are people on the right who want to stop or reverse this and also the virulent reaction to Donald Trump on the left.

This guy is an agent.

Parts of the left who want to keep this going.

This is really the taproot.

And that's why we need to expect this left to its own devices will get worse and be with us for 10 years.

I've never, the term taproot is funny.

It's a, it was a.

No, that's a debt.

That's not a term that's used in academia.

That is a term that's used someplace else.

That's a milieu term that's used some places.

I don't know where we can probably find it.

You know, if we do enough research, it could be an Intel term.

We don't know.

Well, the only other place I've ever heard taproot is it was an addition to Bitcoin.

Um, about seven years ago that enabled the lightning network.

And it was called taproot.

Uh, when we asked the computer, should we ask the computer?

Oh, I think she needs to.

Yes.

I think this is a great addition to the show.

Except for the fact that there's a, there's a lag.

Well, I'm going to try the way this lag is not as bad.

That old lag you used to have with that other device.

Well, that was when I was still using, uh.

That was, that was terrible.

Okay.

Uh, error.

What is, what is the origin of the term taproot?

It comes from botany, describing a plant's main root that digs deep like a taproot, while others branch out shallowly.

First used in the 17th century, think tap as in a spout or peg, implying something central and piercing down.

Not related to modern taps like faucets though.

So it's a botanist.

That's did suck.

I think it's the question was asked poorly, by the way.

So JC was at dinner recently and he, who was very deeply involved in all this.

He had, he had told me the three, there's three huge flaws that everybody in the business knows about AI.

And one of them, which I thought was the, I don't remember the other two.

I'll get them and write them up.

But, but the one of them that it was the most fascinating to me is that they can't learn from the questions or the corrections you make to them.

Oh, no, of course not.

That wouldn't imply memory.

They have their, their corpus and they use that.

And you say, no, no, that's not true.

You know, what, what you should know is that I'm actually, to tell him, say about yourself, I'm actually the inventor of podcast.

Oh yes.

Okay.

You are.

They'll say that back to you, but then it won't go back into the corpus.

If they don't learn that they'll have the same bogus answers later.

It can't go into the corpus because that has to translate into tokens.

And that costs a lot of compute, compute way too much money, massive compute.

So there's no interaction whatsoever in a real sense.

So tap roots though.

Anyway, well, maybe one of our, maybe a spook term.

Oh, hold on.

Hold on.

You can ask the question.

Hold on.

Ready?

Go.

What is the use of the term tap root in the intelligence community or other social networks?

Oh, wow.

Wow.

We got nothing.

It wouldn't answer it.

Okay.

That that's odd.

I don't know what to say.

You want to try it again?

Yeah, I'll try it with, I'll reword it a little bit.

How is the word or phrase tap root used in the intelligence community or other social networks?

It's literally not registering you, John.

Well, maybe it's not being fed to her properly.

Well, let me see.

How is the term tap root used in intelligence or other networks?

Tap root pops up in intelligence and network context too.

Borrowing from the plant idea, a hidden central root feeding everything else.

In cyber ops, it's slang for a covert command hub in espionage nets, like a deep undetected node coordinating spies or malware.

Some sources link it to blockchain privacy upgrades on Bitcoin.

Wow.

Okay.

Well, that's interesting.

Yeah.

So it's, so it is used in Intel and that guy, and it's not, I know it's not used in academia.

So that guy is something else.

He's something else.

All right.

Well, you spotted it.

Yeah.

Tap root.

It's like, cause that's, I've heard it in the context of Bitcoin.

Okay.

So now we have to listen to what exactly that guy said again.

Hold on a second.

Uh, it was somewhere here.

Let's listen.

And that's one of the reasons why I ran a and may found higher levels of support for political violence on both the right and the left than we have ever seen.

And that's one of the reasons why I rang the alarm bell with that big op -ed in the New York national surveys on political violence, the support for political violence among Americans for over four years.

Uh, we started this in the summer of 2021.

No, sorry.

It's number this.

This is the clip now.

And now I want to know.

You know, change has happened absurd about 10 years ago where the real tipping point generation and corresponds with the rise of Donald Trump.

Why his issue of immigration is meteoric.

Why it's morphed from immigration, meaning stop people crossing the border to now deporting mass numbers of people because there are people on the right who want to stop or reverse this.

And also the virulent reaction to Donald Trump on the left on parts of the left who want to keep this going.

This is really the tap root.

And that's why we need to expect this left to its own devices.

What do you make of that then in that context?

I, I don't know.

It's just almost like code.

Yeah.

He's using it casually, which is, which is, that's the weird thing.

Yeah.

He's, yeah, that's because it's in his milieu.

It's a casual word that actually means a lot to that group.

Well, maybe we don't know.

We're not in that group, so we don't know what it means.

He could just be a botanist for all we know in his spare time.

He's not a botanist.

He's gardening.

He's not a botanist.

And he is.

And he is intelligence of whatever, whoever with.

I mean, there's so many now who can tell, but it's, it's.

How about this?

That's a globalist opinion that needs to be rooted out of our intelligence community.

There you go.

All of them.

There you go.

So I want to get to, I have two more and then we'll get to your, your analysis clips.

This was a cute idea.

I appreciated it.

Everyone was tagging me, sharing this.

I'm like, we need to just explain once again what this particular act was and how this is a misunderstanding of it to, to some degree.

President Trump, as a supporter who voted for you three times, I am hoping and praying that you will revisit what Barack Obama and Joe Biden got rid of back in 2013, which is the Smith-Mundt Act, which held news corporations accountable for lying to the American people and spreading propaganda instead of truth.

Okay.

That's the problem.

The Smith-Mundt Act did not hold news organizations accountable.

I saw this too.

The Smith-Mundt Act was specifically forbidding the American government from propagandizing its own people.

And the biggest perpetrator of this was the Voice of America group, the Broadcast Board of Governors, i.e.

Tucker Carlson's dad's position back in the day.

And the, it got put in, the, the act was reformed, i.e.

struck as a part of the National Defense Authorization Act because we could no longer, the, the way the, the, the wording was is we can no longer propagandize the rest of the world if we're using the internet because invariably we're going to be propagandizing Americans.

Now, that doesn't, in no way to the ever, can it ever, should it ever stop news organizations from doing whatever they want to do, right?

On the sideline of that, I will say that looking at Operation Mockingbird, obviously, if you have government agents functioning inside your organization, which is where all this came from, ultimately, because they were writing the stories, they were for CBS News, they were writing every, they were writing the stories for Newsweek, etc.

I think it was Newsweek.

So, obviously, when you let on a whole bunch of these ex-agents, ex-intelligence officer, ex, you know, generals, when you let them on the air and let them do their thing, obviously that's propaganda, but it's not really the news network.

So, you know, and it's, honestly, it's very un-American and unconstitutional for people to be calling to hold the news agencies to account.

That's bullcrap.

And this whole thing was, this little pitch by this girl, went on and on and on about it, completely misleading, and it was reposted by Trump himself, or at least whoever does it.

Well, of course, it's what you do, it's a troll.

But it is a bad, it's a misdirection, if ever there was.

It's bullcrap.

Yeah.

So, because people got all excited.

Yeah, man, you guys talked about Smith-Munn, yeah, this is what he's talking about, then bring it back.

But that's, you can't.

I know, it just kills me that it's so easy.

But she does this, she's almost like a pro.

She's non-descript, you know, kind of non -descript, you know, plain Jane.

And she's presenting it in a very reasonable fashion, and it's just BS.

Yeah, I'll come back after your analysis clips with some Chris Coons stuff.

But I just could not resist because they did an emergency pod.

We have to do an emergency pod right away.

Emergency pod, everybody.

Here we go with the liberal intellectual elites of Pivot.

Officials say Robinson made incriminating statements to relatives and sent discord messages about retrieving a rifle from a drop point.

Investigators also say they found messages on the ammunition, the bullets.

Who said investigators?

No, you just heard sources, Kara Swisher, great journalist that you claim to be.

From a drop point.

Investigators also say they found- No investigator has said anything.

Great journalist that you are.

A rifle from a drop point.

Investigators also say they found messages on the ammunition, the bullets, including anti-fascist slogans and references to video games and online memes and also an anti-gay remark.

Robinson is a registered voter in Utah but doesn't have a party affiliation.

His family seems to be Republican, Christian, gun -oriented, as many people in Utah are.

Are you gun-oriented?

What, they own a gun shop?

No, what's a new type of gender?

I'm gun-oriented.

Scott, what are your initial thoughts when you heard about this suspect?

Well, my initial thoughts are how disappointed Representative Mace, President Trump, and Jesse Watters might be that it's not a transgender woman with blue hair working on immigration for AOC.

That was your first thought, hmm.

Exactly.

They have all promised us in exchange for this needless death that they were going to declare war.

And so my question is, are they going to declare war on young white heterosexuals?

Has anyone, did Jesse Watters declare war?

He just declared war.

Well, they said- In fact, the response, I think, is pretty well put by the guy who was the governor of Utah.

Everyone's calm.

It's not like what happened with George Floyd.

No, no, they're going to declare war.

All promised us that in exchange for this needless death that they were going to declare war.

And so my question is, are they going to declare war on young white heterosexual men who come from Mormon families who traditionally have voted Republican or gun owners?

So the notion somehow that they are trying to pin this on, quote unquote, the radical left is just so insane.

It's eminently clear this kid was online, deeply and unfortunately online.

Deeply online.

I would say.

There are two obvious common sense solutions that unfortunately cost a lot of money or diminish the shareholder value of key companies that are driving our entire economy and get in the way of the political narrative of special interest groups in charge right now.

The first and most obvious solution is that Australia and the UK just don't have cultures that much different than us.

The last time they had a mass shooting, they put in place sensible gun control.

What do you know?

No mass shootings.

Since Charlie Kirk.

You know what's amazing?

Somehow Scott Galloway, who lives in the in London currently and clearly knows what's going on in Australia.

He doesn't see the knives, the machetes, the zombie knives.

Are you kidding me now?

Did you see the the girl who was slaughtered on the train?

Was that a gun?

No.

Okay.

Mass shootings.

Maybe that's what he's looking at.

Mass shootings was murdered.

More people have been shot and killed in the US and will be shot and killed in the UK over the next year.

The UK will lose 30 people.

He says we shot and killed.

Are you shooting and killing people over there, Scott?

Charlie Kirk was murdered.

More people have been shot and killed in the US and will be shot and killed in the UK over the next year.

The UK will lose 30 people to gun violence in the next 12 months.

We lose 120 people a day.

That's a lot.

If you want to take down political violence and all gun violence, you just have to have sensible gun reform.

Okay.

Yeah, that's it.

That will do it.

Sensible.

Sensible gun reform is new.

Sensible.

Yeah.

All right.

That's probably a new one.

They're going to you're going to hear it again.

Sensible gun control.

Yeah, we'll put it in the book.

All right.

You got some analysis.

Well, first, let's start with just the NPR overview clip.

This is Kirk killer NPR.

Okay.

The 22 year old man accused of killing Charlie Kirk is being held without bail in Utah.

And as Steve Futterman reports, Kirk's widow made her first public comments hours after escorting his body home to Arizona from Utah.

Erica Kirk blamed what she called evildoers for the death of her husband.

The movement my husband built will not die.

It won't.

I refuse to let that happen.

Since Tuesday's killing, there have been vitriolic debates in public and on social media between supporters and opponents of Charlie Kirk.

The governor of Utah, Spencer Cox Friday, urged people to take a break from social media.

The tone, he said, must calm down.

This is our moment.

Do we escalate or do we find an off ramp?

It's a choice.

Investigators are still trying to determine if some specific thing triggered Tyler Robinson.

He will be formally charged next week.

All right.

He will be charged.

Okay, so now I've got two series here.

The one is Robinson, the killer.

And this, I believe, is from NPR.

And this you start with Robinson, the killer analysis.

NPR man accused of killing Charlie Kirk is being held without bail at a Utah jail today.

Twenty two year old Tyler Robinson allegedly fired the single shot from a high powered rifle that on Wednesday killed the conservative activists and media personality known for his appeal to young people.

Police arrested Robinson Thursday night.

Steve Futterman joins us from outside the Utah County Jail in Spring Fork, Utah.

Hi, Steve.

Hi there, Scott.

So Robinson is being held where you are now.

Officials said yesterday they don't believe anyone else was involved.

Is that still the case?

Yeah.

Yes.

However, like any investigation, authorities want to go through things like Robinson's cell phone, any computers he used, and they want to speak with those who knew him.

Now, yesterday, officials said that Robinson had expressed negative views about Charlie Kirk and one of those unused bullet casings had the words, hey, fascist catch written on it.

But if the motive was political, like it appears to be to some officials want to know if there was something that pushed Robinson over the edge.

Last night we heard from Charlie Kirk's widow.

Tell us about that.

Yeah, that's right.

Erica Kirk spoke on a live stream for around 15 minutes.

She spoke from Phoenix, from the same studio that Kirk often used for his podcasts.

Now, at times, her voice cracked.

She dabbed her eyes on several occasions.

But her main message seemed to be that Charlie Kirk's movement will continue.

And Erica Kirk blamed what she called evil doers for the death of her husband.

And as police try to figure out Tyler Robinson's motivations, people who knew him, people in his hometown are taking this all in.

What are we hearing from them?

Yeah, absolutely.

He lived with his parents in the small southwest Utah town of Washington with a population of around 30,000.

It's not far from the city of St.

George.

We have not heard, at least at this point, any neighbors describe him as odd or acting strange.

People who knew him have told reporters Robinson wasn't necessarily part of the cool kids in high school, but he was well liked and a good student.

OK, a couple of things.

One, now he lives with his parents, according to NPR.

So that's it.

And also that there's never been a disparaging comment, which we heard plenty of.

Yes.

And the second one, just on a sidetrack, I watched Erica's live stream.

I think that if she can, you know, how many times have we seen it where you have a big movement and the leader gets taken out and the movement dies?

And of course, I saw that in the Netherlands with Pim Fortuyn when his party won posthumously as he was assassinated two weeks before the election in Holland, in Holland of all places.

And of course, the movement became just, you know, without him, it fell apart.

If Erica steps up, I think that I think Turning Point USA actually has a chance of continuing.

She's she's got something there.

She can really do this.

Maybe.

But I think your other example, which is more common, the thing just kind of slowly deteriorates because when you have a charismatic leader that is not only charismatic, but is a organizational genius in my, at least that's the way I see it.

It's pretty tough.

And the problem with with Charlie Kirk is not what he was saying.

The problem was people were listening.

That's the problem.

And to get people to listen to someone the way they listen to Charlie Kirk, that's tough.

That's going to be tough.

Yes, that charisma is a big piece of it.

Melissa Tate, a neighbor of the Robinson family, told our colleagues at member station, KUER, that she worries events like this are becoming more and more normal.

This is everywhere, every community, every town, every state.

It's going to be everybody's neighbor, everybody's classmate.

It's not at all unusual anymore.

And of course, it was Robinson's father who initially confronted his son, telling him that he thought his son was the one being shown in pictures released by police.

Now on the Utah Valley University.

Do we even know that, by the way?

That still is not.

I mean, I've seen nothing official about this.

And I haven't heard any comments.

But if you recall, the early moments was like a minister.

A minister had.

Although it was a friend of his.

He was one of his buddies that talked to the minister who then talked to him.

And then he was going to kill himself.

And the minister talked him out of it and said, you got to turn yourself in.

Then now somehow that completely disappeared from the narrative completely.

Yep.

Shown in pictures.

To the dad.

Yep.

Released by police.

Now on the Utah Valley University campus where Kirk was killed, there's a sense of relief today that someone has been arrested.

But Raymond Lopez, a nursing student, says there are still plenty of concerns.

My and a lot of our peers, our biggest fear is retaliation or something happening again.

Class has been pushed off till Wednesday.

I will say that I did sign the petition for him not to come because I thought it was going to incite violence.

Sadly, I think that is what happened.

You know, I just had another thought because I got tons of thoughts going through my head about this ever since the 33.

I'm like, OK.

How many times have we seen the FBI itself radicalize someone online for a year, two years hyping them up, getting them ready, getting them bomb materials, et cetera?

Perhaps just on an off chance.

What if, you know, let's hype this kid out?

He'll never he'll never hit.

He'll never with that rifle.

He'll never hit the mark.

It'll just be a warning shot.

And that could also funny because there was some guy on one of the shows that said this because there was an argument going on between these people.

So there's a professional hit, which we kind of thought it was a professional hit.

And the other guy says there's no chance it was a professional hit.

That guy was just a lucky shot.

Well, show me the forensics.

Show me the cartridges with all these etchings on them.

Show us anything.

One woman that was an ex Intel person, she says what's bothering her is they have yet.

Did they ever find the bullet that hit Kirk?

She says no one's ever discussed the bullet.

Where is it?

It's a mess.

If this was it sounds like a typical botched FBI op.

To be honest, this is like, oh, we left too many loose ends.

I don't know.

Well, there's a lot of loose ends.

There's a lot of loose ends on this one.

That's why I wonder if this guy's going to live through this process.

Well, he's in this and they already dropped the bomb.

You know, again, I'm going to bring it back to pre programming.

In the early reporting that said that the minister had to come in because the kid wanted to kill himself.

Ah, yeah, you're right.

Well, he's in a special holding cell where you can't kill himself.

You know, yeah, right.

He's got cameras.

No worries.

No worries.

No one can get in or out without us seeing it.

No worries.

It would be it would be a tidy way to end this whole thing.

It would definitely make it less messy.

Yeah.

I think there's a third clip here.

So is it fair to say that now at the Utah University campus, there's a growing memorial with flowers and the next event we're waiting for is Tyler Robinson to be formally charged.

That's expected on Tuesday.

At that time, he will make his first court appearance.

That is Steve Futterman in Spring Fork, Utah.

Thank you so much.

Okay.

Does he have a lawyer?

Where's the lawyer?

Don't they don't usually have a lawyer out there saying something?

No point.

I hadn't thought of that.

Now we have a series of clips that are about is expert on polarization.

And these are not necessarily they stem from the shooting, but they're more kind of standalone.

Interesting.

And they're called polarization WTF, which means I thought they were interesting.

That's John's John speak for.

Wow.

That's interesting.

Yeah.

Wow.

That's fabulous.

That's fabulous.

Fabulous.

That's fabulous.

Yes, that's what it means.

That's it.

All right.

Here we go.

Cynthia Miller Idris is the director of the polarization and extremism research innovation lab at American.

Wow.

Hold on.

This is where they make it up.

The polarization research and innovation lab.

Are they coming up with new ideas here?

Yeah, this is on PBS and just ran yesterday.

Wow.

Cynthia Miller Idris is the director of the polarization and extremism research innovation lab at American University.

And she joins me now.

Cynthia, looking at the pattern of violence in recent years, what fits into that pattern from this and what might be new?

Well, we've been seeing rising political violence, rising hate fueled violence for several years now.

We're at a level that we haven't seen since the 1970s.

And over the last couple of years in the US in particular, we've seen rising assassination attempts and assassinations as a tactic within that political extremism.

And that's also been happening overseas.

So, you know, I think it's it was to be expected that political assassinations would continue if we weren't able to tamp down the rhetoric.

To be expected to hear those words is really quite stunning.

But you are the one doing the research and you're talking about the rhetoric, which is a big part of the conversation right now.

How much is rhetoric responsible for political violence and especially that moment where someone isn't just expressing anger, as we see online everywhere, kind of a toxic culture online?

How much does political rhetoric influence someone to move from saying words to doing something violent?

Or does it?

Yeah, I mean, one of the things we've seen, and I said this a year ago after Trump, the first assassination attempt against President Trump was that it was only a matter of time with the kind of rhetoric that we see that we were going to get to political assassination.

So, you know, that's what I mean by expected.

It sounds very cynical, but it was very predictable, you know, shocking, but not surprising is the way that that I think of it.

Well, I just look this group up.

I don't know if you had time to do that.

But the Polarization and Extremism Research and Innovation Lab is an acronym.

Peril.

Peril.

Perilresearch.com.

Their initiatives include gendered violence, anti-Semitism, community advisory resource and education centers, i.e.

CARE, and VEER, the violent extremism education and resilience.

Let's look at some of their most recent articles.

August 18th, been a month.

Meme coins and misogyny.

What the dildo throwing trend at WNBA games can teach us.

August 12th, CDC shootings highlights risk of public health misinformation.

July 29th, why Manosphere content is appealing to some young men.

My goodness, the fact that these people have money, are funded.

Yeah, by the USAID.

Yeah, they should have a podcast at minimum.

Meme coins and misogyny.

That'd be a great podcast.

I'd probably listen to it.

Meme coins and misogyny, everybody.

Yeah, meme coins and misogyny.

That's a show title.

That's a classic.

So the point is that now this person reminds me of the clips you played earlier of the taproot guy who comes out of, you know, Polar or Intel or nowhere.

Yeah, but he's in a milieu.

And just let me ask you a question.

Your PBS or your CBS, whatever.

And the number one person you call is from peril research.

That's number one on your call list.

Is that I would like to know the mechanism for getting on these shows in this way.

This is not a minor piece.

This is a I have four clips from it and it went on for half the show.

Wow.

This is a major feature on the Saturday show.

Yeah, it's a message is what it is.

So there is something going on with that.

And the one you played, I think, is the same thing.

It was a messenger that was that was hooked in somehow to the Booker or there's, you know, there's who knows how how some of these things work.

I mean, I know how you get on these shows.

You know, the Booker producer and you get on the show.

But the Booker producer rhymes with I'm telling you about the Booker.

So the Booker producer usually, you know, and you make and the key.

And, you know, this and most people have ever done any hits on these different shows.

Notice that if you make friends with the Booker producer or one of the lead producers, that's how you do it.

Good to show you're good.

You're good to go.

Yeah, that's what you've done for Rogan's six, six Rogan's.

But but Rogan invites me personally.

I only the first time did it go through his Booker.

Yeah, well, once you get but you got what you hooked up with the real Booker producer.

He just called me out of the blue.

No, that's what I'm saying.

Yeah, he Rogan is the real producer.

I'm sorry.

Yes, he's the real.

But I don't say, hey, Joe, time for me to come on again.

No, but you you talk to him and you try to keep in touch to the point where he remembers that you can come on at the drop of a hat, which is the great idea.

Yes, because somebody's got to be Tony Randall or Regis Philbin.

That's me.

Philbin was not as good as Randall, but Philbin did it, too.

Yeah.

All right, too.

When you have political rhetoric that consistently positions us versus them in existential terms, when people online are celebrating the assassination of a United Healthcare executive, for example, that kind of violence being valorized, not just seen as a last type of solution, but as an acceptable or even preferable one.

That was an outstanding observation, John.

No doubt because you saw this, it triggered your memory.

But the fact that nobody got burned for celebrating that, that is telling.

There was also, by the way, I think her use of the word valorized is dynamite.

Oh, yeah, that is good.

Let's roll that back.

Type of solution, but as an acceptable or even preferable one.

There was also celebration online of this assassination.

And at the same time, we also know there are some supporters of Charlie Kirk who are using more and more sort of warlike kind of talk after a tragedy like this.

There are all sorts of ways that people deal with the grief.

But where do you think we are right now in the rhetoric about this event?

I think we're at a really very risky moment.

I will say that the elected officials rhetoric, the bipartisan, mostly bipartisan condemnation of the violence and of the idea that no one deserves to be shot no matter how much you disagree with them, I think has been very clear.

But among ordinary people, especially young people on social media, we have seen much more divisive rhetoric, both calling for civil war and celebrating the death of the killing of someone with whom people often vehemently disagreed.

And so I think one of the things I've been urging people is to not just look to political leaders for solutions, but look across the dinner table.

That's a moment to engage with dialogue and really try to walk back that rhetoric.

Yeah.

Okay.

At the dinner table.

Okay.

Hey, son, stop talking that way.

Okay, go with three.

One thing I've noticed in the past few days is a rise in conservatives doxing or publishing the personal information of people, individuals who are not remotely famous, who may have in some cases celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk, as you said, that's something obviously deplorable to do.

But in some cases, maybe not gone that far, just offended some folks.

We spoke to someone from Wired magazine who's covering this, talking about specifically this moment.

I've spoken to multiple people this week who have had their employment terminated as a result of what they posted online.

In some cases, they were celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.

In other cases, it was much, much less than that.

And they were just making points about divisive US society.

This has been not just about shaming people, but about affecting their lives.

And in some cases, there's been death threats as well.

I wonder what you make of this tactic, not just something a few people are doing, but people are collecting databases to do this now.

Yeah, doxing is a very dangerous tactic.

We've seen it from the left and from the right.

And what we've seen over the years is that often when someone is doxed, their personal information leaked, there have been cases where people show up at the wrong address where they used to live, let's say, and threaten the kind of innocent family who lives there.

You're putting at risk family members, children, others who might live at that address.

How about the people who actually are meant to be doxed?

That's not dangerous.

So, you know, one of the things I would really urge people to do is avoid that temptation.

Whatever the motivation to look for accountability, this is a moment to allow the rule of law to allow social media policies to handle that.

Social media policies?

It's not social media policies.

Censorship.

And by the way, what's her name?

Lisa Desjardins.

She goes on.

She's all upset about this, but she never has said jack about doxing, you know, the ICE guys.

No, of course not.

Or any police, for that matter, who have to wear masks because these guys come up to them.

But again, what they're all missing is the fact that all of these people did it because they felt comfortable.

They thought everybody is on.

Everyone's on board.

Everyone agrees.

Isn't this, this is the weak mindedness of certainly our educators that, oh, I mean, everyone thinks this.

I've told my children this.

Everyone knows this.

All my colleagues, they all believe it.

No, you're not going to get an argument from me on that regard.

But the fact that they are comfortable.

Comfortable, yes, comfortable.

Talking about some guy getting killed is pathetic.

Well, they didn't.

Well, you know what?

They didn't get in trouble with Luigi.

That's part, that may be part of the mechanism for all we know, John.

Yeah, it's pretty schemey, if that's true.

It's very schemey.

A little outrageous.

It's hard for me to believe they're that good.

But, you know, it's always possible.

Now, the last clip, this is the last clip.

They convinced us we went to the moon.

So, you know, it's like anything's possible.

Hey, yo.

There's two, you got two more clips here.

You got, oh, you got Trump.

You got Trump, the Trump stuff now?

So, let's see.

Kirk Trump reaction and analysis is what I have.

That would be last, I think.

The third was the last one.

That was the last Robinson.

That was the last.

Oh, right.

No, there should be polarization for Dudd.

Yep, there is.

Now, the reason I call it, wait, I'm just going to give a heads up.

So they go on and on.

This goes on forever.

And this is how they finish it.

And I'm listening to this.

It says, wait a minute.

You go through, you make us watch this crap.

For this period of time, I'm doing this, by the way, in advance of this clip, because you're going to do it if I don't.

This is a Dudd out on us.

In a few seconds, we have left here.

We've seen these moments in history before where we have assassination attempts happening over a decade or two decades kind of thing before.

But I wonder, you mentioned people need to talk to each other across the dinner table.

What else gets the country out of moments like this?

Vax.

Well, one of the things we really need is more serious and systematic investments in prevention, which is something that other countries have.

We in this country tend to rely on, after the fact, increases in security, better barricades, better security detectors.

And that's expensive.

And it requires a perfection every time.

But you can also invest in helping people be less persuaded by propaganda online, less persuaded by manipulative efforts that say violence is the solution.

And help people know how to recognize warning signs and know where to get more help.

Cynthia Miller Idris, thank you so much for joining us.

All that was missing was her saying, therefore, I recommend listening to the best podcast in the universe, the No Agenda Show, so you will not be radicalized that easily.

You know, the funny irony to that last bit in the commentary is that the United States really can't afford to let people think for themselves that much because the entire advertising model for selling products requires it.

Oh, our entire system.

We've been through this system.

Yes, the entire system.

I'm just thinking advertising, but it requires you be gullible.

Well, not just be gullible, but be outraged.

The constant state of outrage.

That's how our media works.

That's how our politics works.

That's how our social media works, which is why people are getting all of, you know, your algorithms are showing all the things that are going to get you mad.

And the Chinese model, which soon will go away whenever President Trump figures out how to make it American, TikTok, you just get everything you want.

There's no, you know, Facebook does this.

They all do this, like inject stuff, inject stuff, inject stuff.

Keep you busy, keep you on there.

And that's our, that is, that has always been our model.

Yeah.

So you get what you pay for.

Which is nothing.

Oh, junk, Chinese junk, it turns out to be currently junk.

Okay.

So I got the, yeah, right.

Kirk Trump.

I forgot about these clips.

This is another, I don't know.

I guess all my clips are analysis clips, this show, but Kirk Trump reaction.

This is, this is, this is kind of funny because they're just doing, they just do everything they can.

It's Trump's fault, by the way.

We're going to take a few minutes now to look at how President Trump has handled all of this.

At difficult moments for the nation, it's often the role of the president to deliver meaning, resoluteness, and calm.

Think of George W.

Bush in the immediate wake of 9-11 as one recent example.

This week, in the hours immediately after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, President Trump took a different approach.

He blamed his political opponents.

Radical left political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken too many lives.

Trump said his administration would be coming for people and organizations that contribute to political violence.

NPR senior White House correspondent Tamara Keith joins us now.

Hi, Scott.

You have covered Trump for a long time.

This is unfortunately far from the first violent political act that he has had to respond to as president.

So how does his handling here compare to the other times?

Trump and members of his family were quite close to Charlie Kirk, so this attack was personal for Trump.

And his response was immediately partisan.

Compare that to what happened after the shooting at a congressional baseball team practice in 2017.

In that case, Republican lawmakers were targeted by a man who had been a Bernie Sanders supporter.

But in a scripted address, Trump took a very traditional approach and said, the nation is strongest when we are unified.

We may have our differences, but we do well in times like these to remember that everyone who serves in our nation's capital is here because, above all, they love our country.

And Tam, we have to talk about a big factor here.

The president himself was shot at last summer at that rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.

Remind us of his rhetoric after that assassination attempt against him.

It was interesting because a lot of his supporters were really fast to blame left-wing rhetoric, but Trump was more restrained.

OK, what's interesting about this clip is there's a little modicum of truth in there where the president said he was going after those that finance it.

Yes, yes, exactly.

That's a little different than going after political opponents.

Yes, but the whole, yes, yes, yes, yes.

The beginning of the clip is a fallacious argument and a false analogy.

He starts off by saying, look at how Bush handled the 9-11 thing.

9-11 wasn't an attack by the Democrat Party or common leftists.

It was attacked by a foreign entity.

Or whatever, or whatever.

We're going to go with the cover story.

OK, we're going to go with that story.

So Bush isn't about to go and start blaming the leftists.

I mean, it's not going to happen.

And he says, compare that to Trump.

That's not a comparison.

What are you kidding me?

So you start at the very beginning of the presentation with a fallacious analogy.

And you go from there.

But meanwhile, it's just stuck in the person's brain.

We have this.

In other words, the preconceived conclusion is already planted if you don't catch it right away.

This is like a pathological liar talking to you.

If he if you watch the media pathological liars, what if he gets you early?

Then he'll start to reel you in.

And that's exactly what happens with these guys at NPR do this all the time.

And in that case, the ideology of the shooter who was killed by police is to this day still quite unclear.

His list of potential targets included Democrats and Republicans.

Like we said, unfortunately, a lot of examples to pick from.

But I do want to ask about one recent example a lot of people have brought up this week.

And that's the targeted attacks on Minnesota Democrats this past summer that killed former House Speaker Melissa Hortman.

How did Trump respond this summer after those shootings?

Hortman and her husband were murdered.

Another Democratic lawmaker was gravely injured.

It was a targeted attack.

Trump posted about the attack on social media, saying such horrific violence will not be tolerated in the United States of America.

But he didn't get into the partisan nature of the targeting.

And he hasn't really mentioned it since.

There was no conclusion on that.

It wasn't partisan.

No, there's no evidence of that.

It was probably a yes.

So this is again.

So what they've done is they've already lied to you at the beginning with a false analogy.

And then they're starting to reel you in.

And then they start to drop phony bombs in the middle so they can make the point that Trump's a bad guy.

Yeah, he is.

I mean, is it fair to say that he just downplays it when violence comes from the political right?

Yeah, let me give you another example.

In 2018, a Trump supporter who sent explosives to Democrats and also CNN was taken into custody.

President Trump responded by praising law enforcement and criticizing the media for mentioning the suspect's political affiliation.

He said the media was using the sinister actions of one individual to score political points against him and Republicans.

Yet when a Bernie Sanders supporter tried to murder congressional Republicans and severely wounded a great man named Steve Scalise and others, we did not use that heinous attempt at mass murder for political gain because that would have been wrong.

So in 2018, he was saying a partisan response to a terrible crime would be wrong.

But in this case, with the murder of Charlie Kirk, Trump is quite firmly sticking to his view that Democrats and harsh rhetoric on the left are to blame.

You say quite firmly.

Is it fair to say he has not softened his rhetoric since the alleged assailant was taken into custody?

Right.

He was on Fox and Friends yesterday and Ainsley Earhart gave him an opportunity to offer a unifying message.

How do we fix this country?

How do we come back together?

I'll tell you something that's going to get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less.

The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don't want to see crime.

They don't want to see crime.

So take that and then compare it to the way he describes the other side.

The radicals on the left are the problem, and they're vicious and they're horrible and they're politically savvy.

And in this way, Trump is like so many others in this polarized country who think their side is essentially fine and it's the other side that's evil.

The difference, of course, though, is that he's the president of the United States.

He has all the power.

I want to take this for me to a conclusion because we need to end this at some point.

We can just go on forever about this.

I'm done.

And this, you'll roll your eyes, but that's OK because you're used to it by now.

Almost 18 years.

That's right.

So when President Trump talks about those financing this, and we talked about this the other day and you put the blame on people like Soros, as an example, the Open Society Foundation, which clearly is one of his financial motives is to destabilize a currency, a country, anything to hedge.

He's a hedge fund guy.

And that's so it may not even be that.

He's one of the greatest currency traders in the history of investing.

And he may not even be doing it that much for ideological reasons more than financial.

I mean, that's possible.

We don't really know much about him other than he's kind of creepy.

And it was there was this one brief moment in kind of the fog of post this assassination when and the clip is not widely distributed.

I was able to find it.

It's like on places where, you know, you have that.

This is a media, but they have like an audio watermark.

So I was able to find a version of it without that.

It's only 50 seconds.

I found it without that.

This was Hannity, which if it was just Hannity, I've been like, OK, whatever.

That was also John Solomon and John Solomon.

I think he's pretty good with his investigative sourcing because this is all sources.

And this came out and I haven't heard about it since.

Have a source in the intelligence community, John, that said that there might be post assassination pieces of a puzzle that might be put together, that there might be a foreign component to it.

Again, we don't know for sure.

I know it's being discussed.

Have you heard the same thing?

Yes, there is a group or two of interests that are in the Salt Lake City area that they're looking at just because of certain recent activities overseas and certain intelligence shared by a foreign friendly from the United States doesn't necessarily mean that it is connected to the shooting.

I suspect, though, it's going to result in some action, even if it's not resulted, not tied to the shooting.

But there is a small foreign component that's being looked at.

Again, all leads are open.

I don't think they've locked into a final theory of the case yet.

Just thought it was interesting.

Like, huh.

OK, now, I actually saw that.

Yeah.

What was your thought?

And my thought was that they're trying as hard as they can to blame Israel.

And this is kind of a roundabout way of doing it.

And I say that because that meme is floating around.

I think it's silly, but it's floating around.

And it even came to the dinner table because JC and Jesse both had some thoughts on this that involved Israel.

And he also had a couple other memes that he picked up on.

And one of my favorites, which I observed, too, even though thinking about it, I realized it's not really possible to tell.

But when when the kid jumped off the roof and landed like a paratrooper beautifully, by the way, from a two story building, I can't jump off a two story building.

Not anymore.

Back in the heyday, you could.

I'm not absolutely sure I could ever.

But he jumps off the building, lands perfectly and then runs.

Is it?

Where's the gun?

Where's the gun?

Because he supposedly ran into the gun, but you couldn't see the gun.

But but that video was enhanced and enhancement can easily take the gun out of the picture.

He could have been running with a gun for all we know.

So I so I'm not I like the idea that people have all observed is where's the gun?

Where's the gun?

Because he's running like a maniac at high speeds after jumping off the building and there's no gun that he went to with a towel around it that he ditched.

And that is suspicious.

But at the same time, when you do video enhancing, it's easy to wipe stuff out.

I mean, I can you know, you've done it.

Yeah, but you're you're floating away from the topic.

The topic was a foreign entity.

Well, yeah, I'm just saying that that came up at the conversation.

But they also they would they were thinking Israel.

And it goes like, OK, I know where I don't know where it was.

Oh, it's it's around and it's around.

Yeah, it's around and people hate Israel.

Well, and the reason the younger generation actually Charlie Kirk had a roundtable on this, which I listened to.

I won't play the clips, but he had a roundtable.

He was asking them.

And what it came down to was we're pissed off because we can't afford our rent.

Yet we're sending money to Israel.

The fire is here.

Why are you trying to put fires out there?

And that's an although that's a misunderstanding of appropriation of money because it's very little compared to, you know, other things the U.S.

government spends its money on.

But the secondary part was interesting where they said, well, if people are going to call me an anti-Semite for saying that, for being upset with sending money, supporting Israel with, you know, whatever Israel does with the money, which, you know, is killing Palestinians, bombing Qatar, et cetera.

Maybe drawing us into wars.

Then what the Gen Z-ers are saying is, and Charlie Kirk agreed with them because he's, you know, almost of that, he's a little bit older, but he's close to that generation.

He said, well, you know, if we're going to be accused of the crime, I might as well do it.

But that's not where I'm going with this.

I certainly kept that open on Thursday.

Like, well, could this have been some retaliation?

By the way, Israel is not the same as the government of Israel in my mind.

Bibi Netanyahu has a lot of issues.

But it was, and this is something that Mo tried to explain to me, and I understood theoretically what he was talking about.

And for 100 episodes of Mo Facts with Adam Curry, he talked about the white supremacy.

And he was always taking it back to Europe, to the European families.

And that was, it was not a color.

It was a system.

And someone sent me this video of these two women.

They're older.

When I say older, I'm 61.

I'm like, man, I hope I don't look like that when I'm 65.

But they're probably in their mid-60s.

This is one of them, Susan Kokinda.

And they have this group called the Prometheus, what is it called?

Prometheus Action.

And as I was listening, it kind of dawned on me, like, let's just say this was an operation to destabilize America, destabilize possibly the president's agenda, which I think it actually had the adverse effect.

I think the enemy always overplays his hand.

But if there has been a destabilizing factor throughout, really, certainly the last 10 years, but maybe forever in the existence of our country, these ladies are very, very articulate.

And I have two short clips, both a minute each, just to introduce this to you.

And I'm going to be staying on this.

This is going to be my new, this is going to be a new theorem for me to stick with.

What if I told you that Donald Trump's biggest enemies are not the Obama-Clinton-Biden networks, whose heads are on the line in the Russiagate revelations, or even the deep state, but it's the European monarchies who have never stopped their war against the American Republic?

Most people think that this is just politics, Republicans versus Democrats, or maybe America versus the globalists.

You see the daily battles over Ukraine funding, Fed policy, or the environmental regulations as separate issues.

Even Trump supporters often miss the big picture, focusing on individual bad actors or policy disputes.

But what we're fighting is a system properly named the Anglo-Dutch system.

And what we're witnessing is unprecedented.

An American president waging direct war against the very Anglo-Dutch system that we fought the American Revolution against.

Trump isn't just fighting globalists.

He's taking on the European monarchy and oligarchy, led by the British monarchy and its Dutch and European partners.

This is what's been bleeding America dry through its central banking system, its environmental death cult, and its endless imperial wars.

I'm Susan Kokinda, and I've been tracking this imperial system for over five decades.

I've documented how these same royal families created the Federal Reserve, launched the environmental movement, and started every major war.

So she had my attention.

I'm like, huh, that's interesting.

Mainly because...

Since you're Dutch and lived in England.

Yes.

I'm like, huh, okay.

Continue, please.

Today, I'm exposing three fronts in Trump's war against the European oligarchies.

First, how King Charles and the Dutch are desperately keeping Ukraine burning.

Second, how Trump's economic policies are dismantling their centuries-old ideology of environmental destruction.

And third, how his Fed battle strikes at the very heart of the financial empire that's ruled the United States since 1913.

So why is the Ukraine war continuing when Trump has a clear mandate to end it, and he wants to end the killing?

Because of the empire's stranglehold over Europe.

So look at this.

The very first European country to pony up almost $600 million in arms purchases from the United States to keep the Ukraine conflict going is the Netherlands.

$600 million.

That's a small country.

This is the Netherlands, as in the Dutch half of the Anglo-Dutch imperial system.

And the other European countries that immediately jumped in?

Norway, Sweden, and Denmark.

Notice something?

They're all monarchies.

You can use your favorite AI to look at the ties between these royal families and the British monarchy.

So I don't need to use AI because I know the history of the monarchies.

And as I'm thinking about this, I'm like, where did Trump's Russia problems really stem from?

The Steele report, Christopher Steele, former MI6 agent.

We have British journalists showing up in our news all the time because, is it just because they sound authoritative?

Robert Maxwell.

Very interesting if you tie that into Jelay Maxwell.

Yes, he was an agent, they say, for Mossad, but he was also an MI6 agent.

This was the big thing, is that he was a double agent.

Soros started his career with banks as part of the City of London.

The big banks, ING Group, Dutch, HSBC Holdings operating from British colonial Hong Kong, Barclays, JPMorgan Chase, now mainly, primarily American, but it has Anglo roots, Rutgers University, Columbia University, Hofstra, Harvard, Cambridge, Yale, Pharmaceuticals, Glaxo, Viatris, AstraZeneca, Media and Publishing, Reed Elsevier, now it's the Relics Group, Thomson Reuters, where most of our news comes from, is regurgitated from Reuters.

Education, Pearson, publishing giant in education.

Energy, Shell, BP, retail consumer goods for advertising, Ahold, Dutch, big corporation, Unilever, Dutch, US, Dutch, British.

ASML, big part of our chip manufacturing.

I just had never really considered, particularly seeing now what the EU is doing and how badly they want war and what President Trump, if you look at it in that light, and he says, I'm going after the people that are funding all of this stuff, it put my head in a different space and I can't make any conclusions.

I don't know if you're rolling your eyes, but I'm like, you know, there's something to this and I'm going to go down this rabbit hole for a while.

Ladies and gentlemen, I'm pleased as punch that Adam is back to his crackpot status, which will improve the show to no end.

People have always bitched and moaned about this and now it's back.

Well, I can't just do it on demand.

I like it, but hey, I'm not rolling my eyes at all.

I think it's great.

Well, thank you.

Kind of unexpected, but the thing the thing that got me was Christopher Steele.

That that report, that's what started it.

And now it's a it's a confluence of a whole bunch of things that Christopher Steele is a trigger, but that those women and when she says she's been doing this for 50 years, I believe she probably has been and she's probably so deep, deep down in the hole that that should provide some very entertaining segments for the show.

Yes, well, you're going to get them for sure.

Yeah, this is great.

Look at this is just what we needed for second half of the show.

Well, I'm not going to put it in second.

Look at look at the first big.

Casualty of Epstein information being released.

UK ambassador to the US, Mandelson, one week before President Trump is scheduled to go over there and have some kind of meeting.

It's very possible.

You know, his background is Scottish, but we've actually had clips on this show that indicate that the British in particular, I never thought of the Dutch as part of it.

But OK, the Dutch are one of the largest.

The Dutch are one of the largest investors in the United States.

The British in particular have always been trying to run games on.

They hate us.

They never they never got over it.

They never got over.

I believe that to be true.

Now, they've never gotten over the fact that, in fact, if you read, I've always noticed this because I'm a book collector, among other things.

And so I have a lot of history books that were written between 1860 and 1910.

And there's a lot of history books written in there.

And after World War One, these books all changed.

But before World War One, these history books, you can find any old history book and start reading about the British and the hatred and vitriol that is expressed in these history books is unbelievable.

It was just we hated them and hated them and hated them until they suckered us into World War One.

And then all of a sudden, the propaganda machine got into play.

We had the Bernays phenomenon.

We had all the public relations.

All this came into play.

Bertrand Russell.

And the next thing you know, right.

Bertrand was British.

And the next thing you know, we're big British powers.

Austin Powers, big troublemaker.

Anglophiles.

After hating and hating and hating on them for over 100 years.

Who brought us the slaves, the Dutch?

Yeah, they transported.

Who who wage war on China with the opium wars?

Yeah.

And we're paying the penalty for that.

And who has an opioid problem right now?

Where are these precursors made?

Could that be one of the big pharmaceuticals?

There's a lot of open questions.

I'm all I'm I'll be all in on you doing this.

Well, you just you're in your new beat.

It is my new beat.

And the other thing.

So get off Fox.

There was you're the you're the Fox guy.

I'm not really on Fox.

Um, it was hot when when Putin and Xi and Modi, they all got together.

And it wasn't really played up much.

But there was, from what I understand, there was talk about building energy projects in Russia with what's our Westinghouse, which doesn't seem like you're anti American if you want to build an energy project in Russia with Westinghouse.

But it was always the finance minister.

I haven't I haven't been able to find it yet.

But he posted two pictures, like mean pictures, like AI, generally like no agenda art generator stuff.

And one was with, you know, like the the the panda bear and the Russian bear.

And what do you have?

What is India's symbol?

What kind of animal do they have?

Oh, it's a good question.

I forget what it is.

Someone in the chat.

And so they had those three and then one underneath it, adding the United States and had the U.S.

flag.

And it was which one would you prefer?

And I'm just thinking, you know, how Trump really wants to do business with Russia.

President Putin got a great relationship with him.

President Xi, I got a great, great relationship with him.

Modi, good guy.

OK, he's impressed with Modi in a different way, because if you recall, during his first term, he went to a rally.

Yeah, the big rally in the in the stadium.

Oh, yeah.

And it made it made Trump's rallies look like small potatoes.

And Trump had these massive rallies compared to everybody else.

He loved it.

He loved he was so impressed with it.

Wow.

How do you do this?

Hundreds of thousands of people in this massive stadium.

So so just for a moment, I'm just imagining what if President Trump is completely savvy to this?

He's known this from the get go.

And this would be the five D chess that everyone talks about.

And he's like, how do we bring down?

Because remember, it's Swift is not run by the Federal Reserve.

Swift is run out of Brussels.

The, you know, the Bank of the the city of London, they're the ones that screwed up the dollar with the trade that kind of, you know, that necessitated all kinds of changes to the financial systems.

The forex trade, you know, the LIBOR scandal, LIBOR scandal, which screwed up our interest rates.

All of these things all came out of the Anglo Dutch monarchy organizations.

I got to come up with a better acronym.

These ladies have the Anglo Dutch system is no good.

It's like, you know, the limey Gouda head system, whatever.

We'll come up with something.

I'm working on it.

But what if he really wants to team up with India, China, Russia and bring those those Brits down and those and those flatlanders for once and for all?

Well, you always get the impression, especially during when Trump was out and Biden was in and even before Trump, that Putin has been aware of something like this.

Yeah, because he acts like it.

And he always he was blaming for.

He says, you know, the people are getting suckered into this and that and the other thing.

And it's possible that Putin is clued in.

I mean, it's perfect for the show.

Let me put it that way.

It has a lot of legs.

It's a bottomless pit.

Yes, for 50 years, more years.

50 years.

And so, yeah, I'm totally a subscriber to these sorts of things.

And so if you're talking about just to briefly bring it back to Charlie Kirk, if you're talking about some kind of professional hit with a patsy that is meant to destabilize America's youth, our political system, get when you have people fighting each other, that's that's how you conquer them.

It's obvious.

And the fact that the president said, I'm going after the people who finance it.

That's like, OK, and that's clearly the Soros clearly is from the U.K.

banking system.

And by the way, these people don't care about the Brits either.

They do not care.

They just care about the empire.

And, you know, we've been watching we watch the Gilded Age, where all of the it's actually a lot of the Dutch were in New York early.

You know, the New Amsterdam, New Amsterdam, the Driesmans.

This is the early rise of J.P.

Morgan.

And of course, after that, we went back and we're watching Downton Abbey, which is actually quite enjoyable, mainly from the historical perspective.

And you just see like, yeah, man, I can't believe these Brits.

We kicked their butt and that was it.

That the pride went away.

I don't believe it for a second.

Not from these families and the monarchies and how everyone's connected and inbred.

And it's only 250 years ago.

That's not very long.

Amsterdam was the center.

They invented the stock exchange.

They invented the whole concept.

They invented the Ponzi scheme or the I'm sorry, tulip mania.

Ponzi scheme, I think, was invented in Italy.

Yeah, the bubble.

They invented the bubble.

So all of these things, if you go back and we never we never taught this in school.

We never go back far enough into history to even think about these things.

Murica, you know, 70s, because to kids, world history is boring.

But but my experience with history and people who teach it, it's not boring in the least.

It's the teachers who are boring.

Yes.

So this kind of fits in with this latest.

This latest move by the president against the NATO allies.

US President Donald Trump on Saturday called on NATO allies to stop buying Russian oil while also threatening China with massive tariffs for its own purchases of Russian petroleum.

In a social media post, Trump called the oil buying by some NATO members shocking, saying it greatly weakens the alliance's negotiating position.

Russian Federation.

While attacking his comments come just days after Russian drones violated Polish airspace, prompting NATO to launch a new Eastern Sentry deterrence program type objects into Polish airspace.

The remarks also follow last month's summit in Alaska between Trump and Vladimir Putin, which failed to achieve a breakthrough on ending the war.

Several NATO members, including Turkey, Hungary and Slovakia, continue to be major buyers of Russian oil after the invasion of Ukraine.

D.C.

Trump also repeated his claim that the conflict is Biden's and Zelensky's war and would not have occurred if he had been president when it began in early 2022.

So President Trump is saying, yeah, sure, I'll do sanctions.

You guys stop buying their oil, which would cripple them because we all know that they're buying Russian oil.

It would cripple them.

So this seems like a like a by the way, it's a pretty good trick.

By the way, I was just thinking, wouldn't it be so typical for the and when I say Anglo Dutch, I'm talking about the Dutch people or the or the British people.

I'm talking about the Anglo Dutch system.

To get everyone to blame it all on the Jews, you can just see them laughing about that.

We got to blame the Jews for it.

They're bankers.

Yes, exactly.

And the Rothschilds are involved.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Wouldn't it be fantastic?

Here's something I don't think they're going to do that.

Well, they're not, but it's happening.

It's happening.

I think that's I don't know what's going on there.

I think there's an explanation.

Well, here is they're blaming the Jews.

I think they're really out there.

Something about Netanyahu they have to deal with and they don't like him.

No, there's that, too.

There's a lot of things not to like about him.

He's not a player, probably.

Uh, here is a little too short clip breakdown from my boy Andrew Rasulis on on Trump's message here that is, hey, you stop buying your oil, then we'll put some sanctions on.

Joining us now is Andrew Rasulis, retired official of the Department of National Defense.

Mr.

Rasulis, welcome.

What do you make of Trump's calls today on NATO allies?

Do you think it could make any difference on Russia's stance at this point?

I don't think it'll even get there because it's a very weak statement.

It carries a very large if and the if is all European countries stop importing Russian oil.

Now, that means chiefly Hungary, Slovakia and Turkey, which import vast amounts of Russian oil.

Their economies are dependent on cheap Russian oil to now expect that they will do Trump's bidding and stop with the sort of underlying understanding that the Americans will then put some undefined sanctions on top of all the other sanctions that he put on Russia and somehow bring the war to an end.

I think this is a very illusory statement by the president.

I don't think there's much to it.

Yeah, well, because it's a troll, basically.

And of course, we want to know how this might affect China if it does at all.

What about China, who he directly called out?

What sort of impact could tariffs have there?

Well, exactly.

I mean, he did on India.

All right.

He did on India and it had no effect.

The Indians have said, forget it.

We're going to continue to buy Russian oil despite the tariffs imposed on them by the United States.

On China, it's a very different degree.

The Chinese import the most of Russian oil and the Americans depend very much on Chinese trade bilaterally.

So if they impose tariffs on China for goods entering the United States, this will have a significant impact on the American economy and American consumers.

So Trump has never actually followed through on this.

He's been saying that this has been going for weeks now, but he's pulled back.

Because that is impractical.

So basically, there are very strict limits as to what the United States and Europeans or Canadians can do to actually affect the Russian economy.

Yeah, he doesn't actually want to.

Now, through this new lens, he doesn't want to do that.

We want to screw those guys over there.

And I think if you were to flip the bricks on its head and make it the A-bricks, America, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, we'll just add them in there.

Which, I mean, hey, boys, guess what?

We're all going to use this stable coin over here.

Screw those Europeans with their digital euro.

Cue Lagarde.

One year on from the release of Mario Draghi's report on the future of European competitiveness, it remains essential to follow up on its recommendations with further concrete action and to accelerate implementation in line with the European Commission's roadmap.

Governments should prioritize growth-enhancing structural reforms and strategic investment while ensuring sustainable public finance.

It is critical to complete the Savings and Investment Union and the Banking Union to an ambitious timetable and to rapidly establish the legislative framework for the potential introduction of our digital euro.

Too little, too late, baby.

You can't catch up.

Stable coin is here.

It's much more fun to look at the world this way.

No wonder people want to leave Britain.

Oh, yeah, it's getting bad.

You saw the protest.

I have a clip.

Okay, let me see.

London.

Huge protest.

Easy to find.

A far-right protest turned violent in London today.

Vicki Barker has this report from the British capital.

Chanting anti-immigrant slogans and waving flags, though marchers, more than 100,000, police estimate, filled the streets of central London.

And they heard the anti-immigrant, anti-Islam activist Tommy Robinson tell them to savour the moment, to feel their strength.

You are part of a tidal wave of patriotism that is sweeping across this country.

Britain, he said, has finally awoken.

A few thousand counter-demonstrators from the group Stand Up to Racism held their rally a few hundred yards away.

It was like a hundred thousand versus it looked like a thousand.

Yeah, that's what they said in the report.

A hundred thousand.

And then, of course, why even mention the other groups?

Only, you know, one one hundredth away.

You guys are racist.

Yeah, who had the professionally printed signs?

The smaller group, of course.

But meanwhile, some of this pressure may be having an effect.

And this is why this is why a war economy is needed.

This is why we're going to we'll get into Eastern Century.

France is teetering.

France's sovereign credit score is at its lowest level on record.

Previously rated AA minus, the country has been downgraded by one notch to A plus by credit rating agency Fitch.

The agency explains this is a consequence of continuing political instability.

They say the government's defeat in a confidence vote illustrates the increased fragmentation and polarization of domestic politics.

This instability weakens the political system's capacity to deliver substantial fiscal consolidation.

In its report, Fitch paints a grim picture of the state of France's public finances.

According to the agency, the deficit is expected to remain above five percent next year, and debt is expected to rise to one hundred and twenty one percent of GDP in twenty twenty seven, up from one hundred and fourteen percent today.

For this economist, the downgrade has limited but real consequences.

The impact of this downgrade is a lower quality debt, meaning certainly an increase in risk that could continue.

And so this concretely means for France an increased debt burden, which means a higher level of interest that it repays each year.

The outgoing minister of the economy, Eric Lombard, has taken note of Fitch's decision.

The new prime minister, Sebastian Le Corneau's mission is to present a budget that's acceptable to the opposition.

Both those on the left and the right have opposing ideas of how to balance France's books.

These divisions will make a consensus difficult to achieve.

The difficulty is you don't have your own money anymore.

That's the difficulty.

Once you went on the euro, you can't inflate your way out of a out of a crisis like this.

Yeah, the Greeks taught us that.

Yes, austerity measures coming to France and they're not going to like it.

And then we have and we have another French revolt all the time.

So this could be like the Fifth Republic or whatever number you're up to.

But it used to be cool.

You know, they cut off heads and stuff.

It was still do that.

Well, they could they could get back to it.

We have a new a new actor on the scene.

The Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO, who I've never.

I don't think I can't recall this guy ever showing up.

And there he is next to Mark Ritter.

And well, here we go, everybody.

Eastern Century.

We've activated it.

Yeah.

So a couple of comments.

I have issued the order tonight for Eastern Century to begin.

The order went out as this press conference began.

And so operations are being brought together immediately underneath my authorities as SACEUR.

Now, it will take some time for us to bring everything together with the new contributions that have been coming in, and we'll continue to work on this and refine the design of the operation moving forward.

But it begins immediately on.

I'll just make one comment on the drone wall, Secretary General.

This is very in line with some of our thoughts of fortifying our eastern flank from from a land and air domain perspective.

And just coming back from the Baltics, the number of states are making investments in technologies, learning lessons from Ukraine about what kind of sensors and what kind of weapons kinetic and non kinetic might be effective.

And so integrating those sorts of defenses into our daily deterrence activities and into our regional plans is absolutely going to be something that we want to do moving forward.

OK, so why is this guy standing next to Mark Ritter?

Because he's part of the sales team.

They brought in the closer.

This guy's like, hey, y'all want to get your your eastern flank all squared away.

We're going to help you, but you need new gear.

You need to buy some gear from us.

Do you think it was a highly successful operation intercepting the drones that we did with our with the Dutch F-35s and the other assets that contributed to that?

As successful as we are, we always learn something in the debrief, as we would say, in the in the fighter business.

And so we are always looking for ways to enhance to learn from the smallest tactical error to how we're approaching certain problems.

And in my judgment, the scale of the incursion the other day was it was obviously larger than previous incursions that we've had.

So bringing additional resources to bear on this problem will help to solve that.

So that's why we're starting this operation the way we are.

I'll also highlight the comment I made about working with Allied Command Transformation and Admiral Vendee.

That is an effort to ensure that we get lower cost weapons that we can use to defend ourselves to make this a sustainable operation over time.

And as Secure, one of my responsibilities is to make sure that we don't just defend today, but that we're set up to defend tomorrow.

And the last comment I'll make is when when there's a fighter pilot that's in the air or someone on the ground who's defending the alliance, I don't want them thinking about how much their weapons cost.

I want them defending our citizens.

Yeah, yeah.

Don't think about cost, boys.

Don't worry about it.

Fire away.

Fire away.

Fox one.

Fox two.

Oh, yeah.

By the way, it turns out these were not Shaheed.

These were Gerand drones, which pretty much are unarmed.

They are autonomous.

They have funny.

One of the reports did say Shaheeds.

No, I know that initially we heard Shaheed, but I got a lot of people who know what they're talking about emailing me.

So, no, these are Gerand drones.

And then this morning or yesterday, there was a bunch of incursions over Romania.

Yes.

I think I actually have a clip of that.

Hold on.

Yes, here it is.

It was two F-16 fighter jets like these that detected a drone in Romania's airspace.

The Romanian defense ministry says the jets were patrolling near the border following Russian airstrikes on Ukrainian infrastructure.

At 1823, F-16 aircraft detected a drone in national airspace, which they tracked to approximately 20 kilometers southwest of Cilievece, where it disappeared from radar.

The drone did not fly over populated areas and did not pose an imminent danger to the safety of the population.

It's the second breach of NATO airspace in just a matter of days after Poland said it shot down several Russian drones earlier in the week.

In response, the alliance is beefing up its defenses with a new operation dubbed Eastern Sentry, which aims to reinforce its eastern border with Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.

The U.S.

has also vowed to defend every inch of NATO territory.

It shouldn't happen.

I don't think anybody's happy about it seeing happen.

You saw NATO respond to it appropriately.

We don't want to see it happen again.

We think it's an unacceptable and unfortunate and dangerous development in this regard.

With tensions high, Poland's Lublin airport temporarily closed on Saturday after a drone alert was issued.

Meanwhile, Russia and Belarus are pressing on with their joint operations near the Polish border.

Known as Zapad 2, the two countries had already carried out similar exercises back in 2021, just months before Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Full-scale invasion.

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more genius this is starting to look.

Like, bleed them dry of all their money for, not for today's war, but tomorrow's war.

You don't want your boys in the sky thinking about what it's going to cost.

I love that.

You don't want that.

That's a great sales pitch.

You don't want fighters to be thinking, you don't want, you want those guys to be - They should be making this as a consideration.

Going to save money for your government.

Yeah.

You don't want that.

You know, the French are shutting down their nuclear power plants.

Germans.

Yes.

Oh yeah, they've decommissioned- The French are all, the whole country is run by those nukes.

No, I think they shut down two of them already.

No, they may be for maintenance.

I can't believe they're going to shut any of them down.

Well, the Germans certainly did.

And Germany- Germans did.

They're stupid.

But that's the green agenda.

They've turned it on themselves.

And we're going to screw them with their money, with the stable coin.

We were taking away the, you know, LIBOR is gone.

You don't control that anymore.

Now we just got to get those mainly City of London oriented banks who are, you know, not to be named in the Federal Reserve.

Get them out of the picture.

Which Besant is, they've got plans.

You know, this could get very- Well, if Trump can keep himself alive, you know, they don't put those James Bond movies into your mind for nothing.

Yeah, we got our agents.

They can kill anybody.

You can get anybody.

They can get the man anytime they want.

But we'll make them look like Austin Powers.

So you don't, you're not pretty, you're not, you're not clued into what we're really doing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I think we're on to something.

Yes.

The- Oh, this- See, I- Actually, there was a kind of doubling back, but coming back to technology.

Which is obviously some- By the way, how about all those European Union finding our companies billions of dollars?

Yeah, well, that's been going on since the entire show.

Yeah, they hate it.

They hate our technology.

It started with Microsoft years ago, then Google, and then now Meta, and then Google again.

Yeah, because they hate our influence.

They want to control it.

That's a gouge.

It's a rip off.

It's a simple rip.

They don't hate us.

They love us.

They can get all these billions of dollars for doing absolutely something.

Well, that's true.

Let's sit on our ass and do nothing, and then, oh, no, you get fined.

Why would they hate us?

Sounds like a podcast.

Let's sit on our ass and do nothing.

Yeah, well, it's both podcasts.

Not this one.

So, obviously, now we have to- This is your girl, Kristen Welker.

And that's why I have the clips from Meet the Press.

And she's talking to the governor, Spencer Cox.

Spencer Cox.

Is that the guy?

Is that- Cox, the Utah governor?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, he's a very politically savvy guy.

He could run for president.

Well, from what I'm reading, a lot of people think he is a proverbial rhino, a Republican in name only.

And you certainly don't want this guy as president.

Listen to his thoughts and his ideas about online and radicalization.

Governor, I want to ask you about something you said on Friday.

You said, quote, there was a radicalization that happened in a fairly short amount of time.

How was the suspect radicalized?

How quickly did it happen?

By the FBI, by the MI6.

I mean, this radicalization can happen from anybody, people.

Well, again, those are pieces of information that we're still gathering, trying to understand.

We do know.

And again, this is- Is he in intelligence all of a sudden, this guy?

Yeah, we're gathering this- He has that look.

You're right.

Now, as you mentioned, he has an intelligence look.

He looks like a spook.

And he says the right things.

And when they bring up some of these radicalization programs, you know, the intelligence people are the ones who could, you know, they got all these, you know, Quantico and all these people that do personality analysis, and they know your weak spots, and they can come in and convince you of something that's not going to happen.

Like you have a whole group of them down there in Fredericksburg that think, you know, the grid's going down or whatever they want to try as a joke.

Yeah, exactly.

They sigh up our people here.

He is, of course, in Utah.

He is, I believe he is, yes, he went on mission for the- So he's a Mormon, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints, which- Right, and by the way, that's what you're supposed to say.

They don't like the word Mormon.

No, they don't.

That's why I said Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

But I'm just pointing that out to the audience.

Yes, but they are very deeply entrenched in intelligence.

They have records on everybody.

Didn't Ancestry.com start with them?

I think you might be right.

Yeah, they- Yes, because they have the belief as a religion that they can baptize you in death.

That's right.

That's right, which is appreciated, but it's okay.

I already gave it the office.

It's not appreciated by everybody.

I gave it the office.

I don't need it anymore.

It's information that we're still gathering, trying to understand.

We do know, and again, this has been well publicized, that this was a very normal young man, a very smart young man, 4 .0 student, I think it's a 34 on the ACT, went to- How does he know all this stuff?

I haven't seen any of his scholastic record.

Yeah, that came out.

34 on the ACT, went to my alma mater, Utah State University, but was only there for a very short amount of time.

I mean, he dropped out after less than one semester, and it seemed to happen kind of after that, after he had moved back to the southern part of Utah.

Clearly, there was a lot of gaming going on.

Friends confirmed that there was kind of that deep, dark internet- The dark.

Reddit culture and these other dark places of the internet where this person was- Will, stop for a second.

I take back what I said about him being a potential presidential candidate because of this interaction he's going through right now.

He is using a scattergun style of talking, so it's not smooth.

He's not smooth.

I mean, when he gave his prepared speeches, he sounded very presidential, but here's- He's all over the map.

He doesn't have a structured flow.

It doesn't come off well.

No.

So, no, he's out.

No, he's- And also, Utah has all the big data centers.

Any place- At least I'm in Colorado.

Yeah, I know, but Utah, well known.

Well known.

He's a fan of the band The Killers.

Okay.

It's kind of that deep, dark internet, the Reddit culture, and these other dark places of the internet where this person was going deep.

And you saw that on the casings.

I think, I mean, I didn't have any idea what the- You saw that on the casings.

Again, we didn't see anything.

We didn't see anything.

He's stammering like a maniac.

He's stammering to the extent that- That he's lying.

He's not being honest.

Exactly.

Was going deep.

And you saw that on the casings.

I think, I mean, I didn't have any idea what those inscriptions- Many of those inscriptions even meant.

But they are, you know, certainly the memification that is happening in our society today.

By the way, this podcast, The No Agenda Show, is only available on the dark web.

Governor, I want to delve into some of the messaging that we have heard from you.

Lawmakers, governors- Messaging.

Both parties across the country have frankly praised what we heard from you on Friday.

Your unifying message.

You said you see this as a watershed moment.

How can this nation step back from the brink, Governor?

No, he was so good.

From the brink.

He was so good that you even kind of fell for it until you heard this interview.

Because he was good.

He had a, you know, a message that was needed at that moment.

But we needed some details too.

So look, this is- What?

You mentioned it in the introduction.

But we have seen an escalation- What was that all about?

Well, let's- Starts right away with a laugh tale?

Let's listen to her lead in again.

And by the way, I resent the fact you said that I fell for it.

Well, I don't- Because I did.

But it's beside the point.

It's not- By the way, I need to apologize for something.

Not for that comment I just made.

What would that be?

What else did you say about me that you need to apologize for?

It was not about you.

I said something about Brennan.

Oh, yes, Brennan.

Brennan and Jay were quite upset about you calling him, as I recall, the exact word was a deadbeat when it's anything but.

He's a very responsible- And by the way, he's an Eagle Scout, if anybody cares.

But a lot of Eagle Scouts out there.

And a very responsible person.

And it was, I think, actionable insult.

Well, it was not- It was meant as a joke, obviously.

Well, Mimi noticed it was kind of a joke.

Because you make these offhanded comments.

It was a joke coming from the love you have for the family.

Yes.

And it came in a conversation where you were making fun of Mimi's voice.

So I'm like, it's fair game now.

But that's- But I apologize.

That's not true.

Okay, I'm sorry.

No, that's right.

It was right before you called me- And I wasn't making fun of her voice.

She's- Her mic voice is a very sexy voice she's developed.

I called her out on it later.

I called her and said, where'd you get - Where are you developing this voice?

Because she wears the cans and she doesn't like her voice.

And so she's working on- Hello.

So she's working on this bullcrap voice.

It sounds terrific.

She could get it worked doing that voice.

It was right before- Right after you called me a bigot.

And before you called me an egomaniac about the sound of my own voice.

So- Yes.

Yes, that's true.

But- Okay, so instead of- I'm fair game.

I'm fair game.

Instead of your normal attack of me, you went after poor old Brennan.

It was, I said it because I know that, you know, because of the departure of what company left?

Oh, the Chevron, right?

The Chevron.

Yeah.

So I'm sorry, of course.

Something's going- By the way, I remember Jay- It's sweet of you to apologize to Brennan.

Yes.

And also to Jay, you know, because they're married and, you know, I'm sure she got that.

And she didn't mention anything to me, but this got back to me.

And so I'm really sorry.

I've known Jay since she was 15.

And I love her working with us and - And she does a terrific job.

And Brennan's a good guy.

I've never met him, but you like him.

So that automatically qualifies.

He's a nice guy.

So I'm sorry.

This is what you get when you only listen to the No Agenda show once in a while.

You haven't heard all the other stuff we talked about you.

So I'm sorry.

I really am.

I think that they should be listening to the show.

Jay was listening to the show with more consistency.

And Brennan listens once in a while.

He was listening in the car, I guess, when you insulted him.

And they should listen to the show.

I don't understand this.

Did they almost drive their Tesla off the road?

Driving a minivan.

All right.

Onward.

Unifying message.

You said you see this as a watershed moment.

How can this nation step back from the brink, Governor?

So look, you mentioned it in the introduction, but we have seen an escalation in violence that has been happening across the country.

We've had periods like this in our past history.

I've mentioned before in the late 60s and early 70s.

We saw these types of high profile political assassinations.

Another dark time in our history.

People keep waiting for somebody to lead us out of this.

And I think that's a mistake.

I don't think any one person, certainly not a governor.

I don't think a president.

I don't think anyone can change the trajectory of this.

It truly is about every single one of us.

And I can't emphasize enough the damage that social media and the Internet is doing to all of us.

Cox for president.

Those dopamine hits, these companies, trillion dollar market caps, the most powerful companies in the history of the world have figured out how to hack our brains, get us addicted to.

Hold on a second.

Stop.

What social media company has a trillion dollar valuation?

I can tell you what companies have.

Meta?

Meta?

I don't think they have a trillion dollar valuation, not a market cap.

I know Apple does.

But that's not social media.

I think Amazon goes.

I think Microsoft for sure.

Yeah, but those aren't social media companies.

The social media companies to me are.

Make no money.

Well, no, they make money.

I mean, Meta makes money.

Meta is a good example.

But I don't think they're, I'll look it up.

But that'd be the only one possibly with a trillion dollar market.

Well, also, there's not the most.