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But we are ready for another edition of the show.

Excited to be here.

So I was trying to think what we were going to do today.

We had an interview that was scheduled that got postponed after Thanksgiving, and it occurred to me that over the years, in the various shows I've done, I get asked certain questions that, you know, it's hard to answer in like the regular course of shows.

So I thought, probably the radio podcast person next to Tony Corneiser that have followed the most over the years was Bill Simmons, and he used to do a mailbag report as his podcast from time to time.

He just brought it back this week, and I thought, you know what, we'll do that maybe every couple months we'll get questions and we will answer them on the show, and it could be My only rule was couldn't be about UK sports.

So it could be news, it could be politics, it could be life it could be pop culture.

Didn't get a ton of pop culture questions.

Maybe we'll get them the next time.

But we did have a ton of questions about the rest of the stuff, and I asked it on the text machine and on Instagram and we got the questions.

And now Billy and I have gone through them, and I suggested like twenty five and then Billy picked the ten or twelve that he thought would be most interesting.

So this is like a two filter process, a me and a Billy filter.

And so Billy, I don't know what you're gonna ask, although I have a you know, ballpark idea.

So you give me the question and the person who wrote it, and let's go through some of these.

We'll get to some personal stuff later, but we'll start with some hard hitting.

News, hard hitting All right, let's do it.

This first question comes from Teddy.

What do you make of the Epstein lists and all of that mess?

Well and all that mess.

I think it's interesting because I think so I've said for a long time on the Epstein List that I don't know that there is as much there in terms of like big political names as everybody thinks.

I think there's probably a lot of people in powerful positions who will be embarrassed and maybe even have done nefarious things.

But as far as like, is there going to be a smoking gun about Donald Trump or Bill Clinton, I've always kind of been skeptical about that because I felt like if there was, we would already know, right.

But I do think if Donald Trump is not guilty of something, he certainly acted as if he is.

I mean, the rush to not put these out has been absolutely bizarre to me.

We talk about in the realm of sports that the absence of information silence leads to the void being filled with rumor.

And I don't know that there's ever been a story in history that has shown this more than the Epstein files.

I mean, I know you you have You and Shannon have for a long time very much been like there's stuff in there, and probably because it hasn't been released, right, Yeah.

And I'm just skeptical that there wouldn't be anything in there, Right.

These are powerful people, and how could you not think there was something in there if people are trying to cover them?

Wath exactly.

Yeah, that seems like the smoking so.

You go through the process.

I think this is the way I look at it.

He was arrested and convicted.

When when Donald Trump was present, it wasn't a big news story because nobody knew who he was back then, right, and then he he of course killed himself in the or.

I think he probably killed himself, but there are some weird things about that.

Then in twenty twenty one, people started calling for the file under Biden.

I don't think a lot of people realized there was a period of time where they were not allowed to release them because the Maxwell woman was still under investigation and her trial was going, so they could not release them.

I don't think they could have been released until like twenty three, maybe the end of twenty three started twenty four, and then I think they could have been but they weren't.

So a lot of people say, well, if there was something bad about Trump, they would have been released in and I mean that's not a I understand why people say that.

I don't know why they weren't released.

But the Republicans ran on release those files, and then they got in office and immediately were like, we don't need to release those files, which makes you think they got there saw something and then we're like, WHOA, I mean, it wouldn't that be a reasonable assumption, completely reasonable.

So a big bout of courage to Thomas Massey Roe Kanna.

They sort of took on the charge of we're gonna get these released, and they had just enough votes.

I think they had the exact amount of votes they needed to release them.

And then it became okay, do you want to be the person that votes against it?

Against it?

Like, once you knew it was gonna pass, do you want to be on record as having not released it?

And I think a lot of people were like, well, I don't want to be on record.

I don't want to be the last vote to release it.

But now that it's getting released, don't make me vote against it.

And all of a sudden, we went for months of them not releasing it to almost a unanimous vote, and and then even Trump said release it.

Now.

The question becomes when it gets released, do you think it will all be there?

And I may have mentioned it as U Billy two years ago.

I was like, once people want this release, now when it comes out, they'll just say it's not all there.

Don't you agree?

I mean like, there's not gonna be anything that comes out that everyone believes.

Would you agree that?

Yeah?

Well, that's just society now, right exactly.

So, I mean, my guess is it's going to come out, there are going to be some people who are powerful or rich who will be embarrassed.

We've already seen Larry Summers at Harvard have to resign.

There'll probably be more of that.

I think there will probably be things in it that have innuendo towards Trump that is bad.

But I don't think there's going to be something that says Donald Trump did this, you know what I mean.

So I think we're probably when this comes out, going to be right where we are now, which is that a lot of people think it was handled very poorly.

A lot of people think there's famous people, powerful people in it.

But does it change a whole lot.

No.

I think where Trump screwed it up was by waiting this long, because I think the damage is done for him, you know what I mean?

Yeah, just the perception from the outside looking in offend so much to like not have it released, that's my natural.

Natural inclination is going to be that.

I think it's ruined the reputation of Pam Bondy and Cash Battail.

You know, Trump supporters do not want to blame him.

They'll blame anyone on earth but him, and those people are getting the wrath from a lot of the hardest core magabase.

It's Pambondi's fault, it's Cash, Betail's fun.

It's always gonna be anybody's fault but him for for some people, although I would argue that group is getting smaller and smaller and small So no Bill Clinton, well anything, but if I mean my argument about Bill Clinton is if he's in it, prosecute him.

If he did something, why should we take up for any of these people if they did it, prosecute them.

I would say, though, if they could prosecute these people, they probably already would have.

I think what all we're going to see in this is a lot of things that make you think something happen, But as far as having definitive proof, I think we probably won't have a lot of it.

I think it's gonna be a lot redacted from whatever is.

Released, maybe because I mean, you've already heard Pambondi say they're national security concerns.

Yeah, but you gotta wonder what is that?

What are the national security concerns that would mean he was communicating with foreign countries?

The only way national security could come into play is if he was communicating and there's some proof that he communicated with like the British monarchy, maybe the Israeli government.

Some people have said.

Russia, maybe somebody in the current administration.

Maybe maybe the past administration.

I mean, who knows.

I don't know.

It sounds like to me from what I've read about Epstein he was a Democrat but also would like talk to anyone that could get him influence, and so who knows who's in it.

But my view is if you really care about this issue, and I think Thomas Massey and I think, I mean, it's weird.

The craziest people of Congress are the ones that wanted to release it.

Marjorie Taylor Green, Nancy Mays, you know, not Tom.

I actually think Tom's Massy's smart.

But kudos to them for having the courage to buck Trump and then it ends up being for It's a perfect example of if you have conviction, sometimes you can win out in the end.

Because it ended up being what four seventeen to one, good for them.

And then we'll see.

But my guess is this will not be something crazy, but instead they'll be a lot redacted, and the damage for Trump I think has already been done.

What's the next one?

Next one comes from Will?

He asked, what piece of news have you seen recently that you found most concerning?

Wow?

Get in a line.

I think the corruption.

I think Trump's corruption is on a scale unlike any one in history.

I think all most not all, most politicians have some corruption in them, but I don't.

There's never an history been anyone as bad as Drum in terms of corruption.

I mean, like the family money, just money, yeah, just sheer money.

The crypto stuff is egregious.

It's egregious.

You know, the Jared Kushner gets two billion dollars in investment from Saudi Arabia.

We ended up then giving them planes and giving them national security.

I mean, just take the stuff with Saudi Arabia is bad enough.

And then all the crypto things, you know, Trump having his own crypto coin.

People can give them money and there's no way for us to trace it.

You know, the amount of the people he's pardoned me, he pardoned that Chinese bitcoin or Chinese crypto person pardoned him.

And the next thing you know, there's like four hundred million dollar investment.

I mean it's it's egregious, and we will look back on this as the worst money corruption presidency of all time.

When we step away from it and people are not scared of him, that will be widely acknowledged.

It will be like the early to the early nineteen hundreds and late eighteen hundreds, where the government was completely corrupt, and that's going to be what it's like.

It's it's I cannot believe that people have just looked the other way on that.

Well, I mean everyone is Christians have corrupted, not see.

That's what the excuse people use.

And I'm not saying that's wrong.

I think there was corruption certainly in the Clinton administration.

There was probably corruption on the periphery of the Bush administration.

I don't know of a ton in Obama, but it wouldn't shock me.

But there's nothing like this.

This is a whole nother I mean, I mean, they're just doing it right in front of people.

I heard Jamie Komer the congressmen say they were like, what's the difference between what the Trump kids are doing and what you said Hunter Biden did And his answer was just, well, they just admitted it, that was his answer.

He was like they're just doing it out front?

Is that is that?

Okay?

I mean Hunter Biden was clearly corrupt, right, but nothing like this.

I mean Hunter Biden got like two million dollars for his art, which his art's not good.

He was clearly playing on his dad's name.

But this is like four hundred million dollars.

You know.

I just don't see how people.

So that's the most troubling.

The most troubling thing to me is not that it's happening.

I knew Trump was corrupt.

It's that people are just letting it happen, and that they don't seem to care.

They really don't care.

And egregious is the right word.

It's egregious like, and it's right out in front of us, and people are just they they they don't care.

And the ones that care already disliked him to begin with, you know, but there's no taking How do you take up for pardoning that Chinese crypto guy?

Yeah, and then start your own crypto thing?

I mean, how do you how do you take up for just pardoning every single Republican in off in jail for corruption?

Just pardon them left and right?

How do you know?

They asked him about the Chinese crypto guy, and he goes, yeah, I didn't really know him.

I don't know the guy.

How are you pardoning somebody and you don't know anything about him?

You know?

To fix that?

So I I that to me is the most troubling.

But more troubling than happening is the fact that nobody seems upset about it.

That that that worries me because if we get into a point that you win office and then you can do whatever you want, you start to become like a third world country where the people who get elected just take skim money from everybody.

We're not there yet.

We're not there yet, but this has been bad.

I don't think people realize how bad it's been.

Go ahead, what's next?

All right?

Craig ask you to pick one and jerry mandering overturned Citizens United or mandate non partisan primaries?

All right?

So in jerry mandering overturned citizens So for people wh don't know, Citizens United is the case that allowed essentially unlimited corporate money and elections.

Did you know that didn't So that was the case where they said you have a First Amendment right to give money to candidates.

I mean, you're laughing, But that was a decision by the US Supreme Court.

Mitch McConnell was the one who pushed it.

And then what was the other one?

Was the third one mandate non partisan primaries.

That to me, non partisan primaries wouldn't do much.

You'd still like it would be like these mayor's races where you don't know where they where.

You don't say where the Republican Democrat.

But you know so I don't really think that would do much.

If you had asked me five years ago, Billy, I would have said citizens United.

But now I think in today's media world, free media can be worth more than paid media.

You know what I mean by that, Like going on THEO Vaughan might be more important than buying fifty million dollars worth of commercials.

I could see that.

I mean, so, I don't know that you I don't know that having money matters as much as it used to for elections.

Now it does matter for corruption purposes.

But I actually think candidates can win now.

I mean, think about how much free press Trump got.

M Trump got a ton of free press just because he was such a one on Rogan But even before that, like go back to twenty sixteen, all these news shows won.

He won because he was good television.

You know, he had that.

He probably had less money than the other candidates did.

But doesn't it feel like candidates are beholden to the corporation dollar that they've gotten.

Yes, but I wonder in the future, like will that still be I just think it's so easy now to get on TikTok and make a viral ad that maybe the money matters.

Let I still think it's an awful decision.

But the one that's the biggest is the jerry mannery.

To me, jerry mandering is the one I would fix.

So just explain what jerry mandery is.

People don't know.

That is, under the current law, you can draw congressional districts any way you want so that you can win as many of the elections as possible.

So go look at a map of what are the states that are the most jerry mannered.

Illinois is pretty jerry mandered.

Ohio is pretty jerry mandered.

But you know you'll see those districts where it's like.

All cive a normal county line.

It's like going across the.

So why does that matter?

Well, what it matters because you and the with extreme candidates because they know they're never going to lose a general election.

Right, Does that make sense?

Yes, So if you're in a district that's all Democrat, you have zero need to court Republicans.

All that's going to matter is when in the primary, and who wins the primary usually the person who is the most democratic.

Okay, does that make sense.

There's no incentive to be a moderate in an extreme primary.

But if you have an election where in the general election either side can win, the parties have an incentive to nominate a moderate because they have to find a way to win some Republican zone right, or win some Democrats.

So when you jerrymander, what you do is you end up with no competitive elections.

So let me give an example.

What's happened now in America.

Texas decided, let's jerry mander and they were going to create five new Republican seats.

Well what happened next?

Do you know?

California did the same thing and got five new Democratic seats.

So what happened?

We ended up exactly where we started.

You see why that's the case.

Yes, And instead of having ten competitive elections, we ended up with ten non competitive elections.

How was that better?

Wouldn't it have been better to have five Republican five seats that either Republicans or Democrats could have won, and five seats in California that either Democrats or Republicans could run.

Not to the political power that's in power in that state, they would want to keep it Republican or Democrats.

They would.

But in terms of what's good for America, now, none of those ten seats have an incentive to elect a moderate.

You will now end up with five extreme liberals in California and five extreme conservatives in Texas, whereas we could have had ten moderates.

Yeah, I see it, and that is why jerry mandering is so bad.

I think it would be much better for America if you just had a computer draw the lines based on geography, and you would end up I think somebody did this thing once and they said there would be one hundred to one hundred and twenty five competitive races in America, whereas now there's like thirty.

Isn't that better?

It is?

It's a lot better.

The people in power want to stay in power.

It's not just about that though, because some of these people are losing their seats.

In these jerry manders, the people in power don't want to answer to the voters.

Right.

It's so much easier to be in power when you don't have to worry about ever losing.

Yeah, right about that, you know what I mean.

So that's why I hate it.

I think somebody asked a question, and I don't know if you're reading this one, how do we get more moderates in office?

Get rid of jerrymanner?

You want more moderates in office?

Get rid of jerrymanner, because as long as you have jerrymandering, you will not have moderates.

And that's as someone who considers himself a left moderate, that's bad.

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The next one Aaron asks, do you think we will be able to move on from the MAGA movement post Trump?

Hmm?

Move on?

No, but it'll be different.

It won't be as mean because here's the thing that has happened in the Trump era.

Everybody that tries to replicate him loses.

Like, think about the politicians that have tried to be him the most, they all lose.

Carrie Lake in Arizona, right, doctor oz Ran in Pennsylvania.

The people that have won in competitive races have tended to be more moderate.

So I think what will happen with Maggie the whole Make America First?

I think that'll still exist, but I'm hoping that the meanness that he brings, calling reporters piggy, that was awful.

I'm hoping that goes away, or at least it people move away from it because it's not success.

I mean, I'll tell you what gives me some hope is Marjorie Taylor Green.

Okay, she used to be as mean as anybody, as crazy as anybody.

I don't know if you saw, like last week she apologized yeah about being in the crazy pology.

She said, I'm sorry that I've added to the I think you're going to see.

In my predictions, you're going to see a lot more of that.

You're gonna see a lot once he's out of power, and being mean is not the national norm.

I think you're going to see a lot of these people go maybe we need to not be as mean.

Well, I could see people distancing themselves from Trump.

But I look at Gavin Newsom as somebody that is doing what Trump did.

I wouldn't like it, and I agree with you and I would.

I don't.

He's not my candidate for that exact reason.

But he's not as mean as Trump.

But he is mean, or he's trying to be meaning.

The whole means he's not the word he maybe that's that's the word me mean and trolling.

I don't like that.

I wish he wouldn't do that now.

The problem is it works with Trump because it makes me mad, but I don't like it.

I'm not for Gavin Newsom.

I don't want him to be the candidate as of today.

You know I don't because I don't want that.

I want to move away from that.

I'd much rather wouldn't you much rather live in a world like I was watching Dick Cheney's funeral.

Today, George W.

Bush is sitting next to Joe Biden, Kamala Harris is sitting next to Mike Pence, dan quayl is sitting next to Uh Chuck Schumer.

Like, wouldn't you rather live in that world?

I would?

In the debates need to go back to a discussion of issues, issues, and not what it's become.

But I'm just I'm skeptical that it will with jd Vance and Gavin Newsommer.

Who here's what I think you're gonna see.

Well, yes, if it's Jade Vance and Gavin Newsom it won't.

But here's why thing it's gonna happen with Jady Vance.

You write this down, Okay, after these next congressional elections, he's gonna try to be not He's gonna try to be nice again.

Oh JDS switching.

He's gonna be try to be back to what he was before the whole like trolling and all that.

He's gonna realize that's not I think he's gonna try to like reinvent himself as the kind of nice intellectual that he was ten years ago.

Oh, you'll have to do appeal to more of the country.

I agree.

So to answer your question, I don't think mag is dead, Like I don't think the idea of let's make America first is dead.

I think you're even seeing Democrats do some of that.

Mondami did that in New York, right, he said, I'm worried about the fut price of goods for people in New York, not worried about Israel, worried about the price of goods in New York.

And he won.

I think you're going to see a lot of that.

I think that's not going to change, but I'm hoping some of the like the politics of being mean, I hope that that changes.

Do you think it will?

No?

But I hope one day we'll get there.

I think it'll take a couple would be a lot better for America if it was Andy Basheer versus Marco Rubio.

No, it would, it would.

It would be a lot better for America if that was the discourse.

It'll end up being probably Andy Basheer or somebody like that versus J.

D.

Vans.

Oh, you think it's besher, I know, but I'm saying that's the best I can hope.

Okay, Gavin Newsome versus JD.

Vance doesn't help us.

I agree with you.

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Next one, Lone Wolf McClain asks what are your overall thoughts on the economic future of southeastern Kentucky.

You know, so it can be more positive than it's been in the last forty years because so much more work.

Billy is going to be remote now, like you're not gonna the problem Easter Kentucky's had since coal's gone down is that phys like infrastructure wise, we don't have the access in and out, you know what I mean.

We don't have the roads, we don't have the internet, the technology, all that kind of stuff, and then we don't have the education.

A lot of that stuff becomes less important in a digitized world, like the roads don't matter as much, you know what I mean.

But we do have to move beyond you know, the idea that we're waiting for coal to come back.

That's not gonna get us anywhere.

I mean, blue collar jobs are in trouble period everywhere.

So I'm more optimistic than I would have been ten years ago, but I'm still it's still gonna be really hard.

I mean, it's really hard.

I think the biggest thing we have to do is focus on, you know, education and getting to the new economy because it's tough.

We have we have major we have major issues in terms of infrastructure that like you're not gonna all of a sudden be able to build an airport in the middle of the mountains, right, so, like you can't put an Amazon there, and you can't put a because we don't have a way to get in and out.

So we're gonna have to be part of you know, the new AI world.

Perfect example is how our politicians have gotten rid of the solar stuff in eastern Kituck.

It's a huge mistake.

Why that was the one thing we could have done.

Oh yeah, we have mountains that have been cleared out in some cases and would be perfect for solar energy.

We should be going all in on that.

That's our chance.

But people see it as a competitor to coal and like, so.

It's more of a mindset that it's a mindset they have to get over.

It's a mindset and it's a mindset of the leaders of our state that like, we need to care about these people here, not our political goals of whatever that is.

So, I mean a little more confidence than ten years ago, but still very very difficult.

You mentioned remote work, You think that's something that could help that area of the come.

Well, I mean, if you're working on the internet, you can do that anywhere, right, you don't have if assuming the assuming the internet speed and connectivity is what it needs to be, which is getting better.

It's still not where it needs to be, but it's improved a lot.

I mean, you could argue, why live in expensive Louisville when you can live in more inexpensive Kentucky and get paid the same Middlesborough and get paid the same amount of work.

Right, So you know, I think that's at least a glimmer of hope.

What's next?

Jay Cooley asks, what would your solution be for our health care in the United States?

I mean, I I mean you have to We're gonna have to have universal healthcare.

At some point you think, well, why wouldn't you who think who thinks the way we?

All?

Right?

Do you think there should be a world where Americans should not have health care like that?

If you're poor, you should not have access to healthcare?

I think you should.

I think you should help the poor, all right.

So if we start with the point that I don't think almost anybody believes we should just let people die if they don't have money, then the question just becomes how do we do it right?

Right?

So what's the best way to do it?

Is the best way to do it what we do now, which is where if you you don't have health care, you get to come to the hospital, to the emergency room.

They have to take you.

You get the most expensive treatment and then the government pays for it.

Or is it just to say, why don't we just have the government pay for it all so that you can get preventive care?

Now, there are problems to government health care inefficiency.

Backlogs, that's what I've heard mainly from Canada.

When these things, people who act like that's not an issue are wrong.

So you have to find this public private partnership.

And the answer to that is to do what we do with education, which isn't perfect but is better, which is you offer a basic level of public care to everyone, but you can then spend more on private if you want.

I think that's the only solution that even comes.

And by the way, that's kind of what we have.

We just call it something different.

The emergency room is now public health care because they'll treat you, regod because they treat you no matter what.

But why wouldn't you want to give people access to doctors so our emergency rooms are not overcrowded.

Yeah, why wouldn't you want to do that?

Well, we've seen some doctors go away with a new, big, beautiful bill going into effect in.

US because they're not getting the reimbursement.

So the law requires them to see people, but now the bill doesn't pay them the money.

So they're going to stop, or they're going to move to cities where they will get paid.

I mean, do you think insurance companies having record profits while Americans have their lowest health care success of Western countries, do you think that's good?

No?

In a capitalistic to society, No, Like even that.

Is virtually all of the world's not all, but eighty percent of the world's drugs are invented and created here, and yet we don't live as long as people in Europe.

Well, that's that's a whole other conversation.

Who processed food and things like that.

That's yes, but that's not the only reason.

Quality of life, access to health care, access to health care.

You know, why do we want to continue to move towards policies that shorten people's lifespan?

You wouldn't.

You wouldn't unless you're profiting at a record amount.

Yeah, which is my biggest worry about the future, which is all of our policies are geared towards people getting rich.

Yep, they're not geared towards the general public.

And I will say, this is my hope for the future ability.

There's a growing consensus on the right and the left, a growing consensus interestingly on the far left and the far right, that we're spending way too much trying to help rich people.

Amen, and that is a chance for unity.

Right, congressional stock trades, right, get rid of billionaires affecting all the policy in the world.

I do think there's gonna be a world where people on the right and left go are common enemy.

Just fed up are these major corporations and tech billionaires.

And it's gonna hit in the tech world because I think people don't like Elon muz Mark Zuckerberg.

People just don't like those people.

They're not relatable.

No, no, and they're becoming me.

They say, Elon's going to be a trillionaire by by twenty twenty seven.

Is that right?

Trillion?

How is that good?

How is that good for society that he would be a trillionaire and people don't have healthcare?

Yeah?

I don't know.

I'm not sure.

It's not good in my opinion.

What's next?

Tracy asks, how is learning how to cook going.

Not well at all?

Well?

I don't.

I haven't done a lot.

You know, it's it's it's do you get joy out of it cooking?

Yes, I've done much more cooking over the last year and a half than I have my entire life.

And me is I can't get to where I consistently know the basics.

And then there's a time part of it, Like do I want to sit there and invest this hour into cooking for myself when there's something else I could do?

Maybe?

Well, it's the price.

Really for most people, it's much cheaper to go to the store.

It may take longer, but not everybody has the luxury to just buy.

I agree all the time, totally agree, But I actually don't know how much cheaper it is when you're cooking for yourself.

Probably, I mean, if you do leftovers, right, it's gonna.

If you do leftovers, you're correct.

I also am like, I don't think I can cook things as good as that I can go eat.

Oh that's one hundred percent.

Because I'm not a good cook.

There's definitely a learning curve.

But I do want to take a class.

I've looked in Lexington and Louisville.

Is there someone who could give me like a one on one, one year cooking class.

Assume you know nothing and start now.

And I've just not found that person.

There are people who will teach you to like be a French chef, but I just need to know how to cook the most basic stuff and I don't.

Right, and this this instructor is probably called YouTube In this instance, I think part of the problem was you bought a book about the science of food.

But that I read that and I liked it actually helped.

But I think what you need to do is just do it.

Like it's just like, but I need somebody.

I can't watch a video.

That's not how I learn.

I need someone to stand there with me and show you and show me.

And I stin't have that person.

And I've looked and there's people who offer, but they're not like, I need somebody who knows how to teach.

There's a difference between somebody who has like good intentions and somebody who knows how to teach, you know, golf, The best golf teachers are not necessarily the best golfers.

Would I agree, Yeah, I would agree that the best basketball coach sometimes the best players are not good coaches.

I need somebody who knows how to teach you to cook.

So like, could we make tacos today?

Could you brown some ground be for us?

I think so.

It was not a confident answer.

I think I think you can make a sandwich, certainly.

Certain we can make a sandwich.

I can make pasta because I've done that.

Do that.

Yes, I can water rice ramen.

Yeah.

I can grill chicken.

Oh you can.

You can do the grill.

I could be this guy for you if you really wanted to learn.

I can do a grill.

But but I don't you know the whole like getting it prepared.

I like the old George Foreman group.

I got one of those.

It works.

They still make those.

I don't know if they make new ones, but I mean I.

Would assume that have something like it, though, don't they sure?

I'm sure it's evolved.

Yeah, I'm sure there's something high tech like that.

Maybe somebody could send me to.

You, like an air fryar or something something that.

Can Yeah, something like that.

All right, Well we'll get back to you.

Tracy kt asks what piece of advice would you give a young emerging leader.

Well, I would have the same advice I give everybody when I go speak at colleges, et cetera.

Try everything once right, especially when you're in your twenties, try everything, and don't be afraid to fail, and don't think you have to get locked in to one form of something, because the world as you know it might look drastically different in ten years.

I'll use the example of let's say you, ten years ago went to college.

What would they have told you you had to do what I had to do.

They'd probably say to you, you need to.

Hear a foreign language.

I don't even need to.

I got your air pose that translates the language for me.

But go on.

I mean, it's not a horrible example, but like, you need to learn to computer program right, Okay, yeah, good example.

A job you'll always have is if you're a computer programmer.

In three years, we won't even have computer programmers.

AI is gonna do it all.

So somebody who is like one track mine, I want to be a computer programmer, they're gonna have to start over, right.

But if you try a lot of different stuff, then you might because the world might just slip right out from under you and the thing that you think is what you're gonna do is just gone.

When you think about lawyers, people get a lot of legal advice from AI.

Now lawyers, especially new lawyers.

I wouldn't want to be a new lawyer, right, I think you're always gonna need like lawyers to go to court and all that stuff.

But the things I did when I started practicing law, you wouldn't even hire someone to do anymore.

You know what documentary review is?

They used to just like you used to sit in a room and you'd have box a documents.

You have to go through them, just read them.

You'd have to read them and go, okay, did they say this word?

Did they say this?

Now, you wouldn't do any of that.

You'd put it in a computer and they do it.

It's scan it.

They do it all.

And if you ever got a client, they would already have done AI and they would argue with what you would want to do in every instance, I'm sure.

Well, people who try to get their legal advice from AI, i'd say, slow down, Hey, it's gonna have to get a lot better.

I mean, they'll give you a basic but they ey's wrong a lot right.

But you go on, you go on the internet right now and use AI and say, is Matt Jones of Kentucky married and they're they got me married to like five different people?

Is that right?

Yeah?

Who are you married to?

Just just look up who is Matt Jones Kentucky's wife and there'll be names on there like Nicole Jones.

I don't know who that is.

That's not my wife.

Been married since twenty twenty four, I know, have four children together.

I have four children in two in a year.

To be fair, there's we've been but Matt.

Did you put Matt Jones Kentucky?

Yeah?

I did, Matt Jones.

It says Nicole Jones married to Nicole Jones.

Don't know who that is.

And if you keep scrolling you'll see other people.

They say I'm married, but I'm not married to any of those people.

Put into a to go to go to all right, A on my phone here, hold.

On, put in who is Matt Jones' Kentucky sports radio host wife?

See what it says?

Okay, I bet you it's gonna come up with the name.

Well, first of all, I know I'm not married, so it's gonna have to come up with somebody that is not my wife.

What was it saying?

This is chat GPT, who is Matt Jones, Kentucky sports radio married to?

And Matt Jones the host of Kentucky Sports Radio is married to Paige Hendrickson.

Ah, Paige, I don't even know if page hidden come.

The first couple of KSR December twenty fourth, two thousand and eight.

First, let's give a backstory that led to the marriage of Matt and Paige Kerry.

Don't have to go in.

I don't.

That's just in case to say one in case that's a real person.

I don't know who that is.

But my point is that's not my wife.

So that's why I would not trust AI to give legal advice if it doesn't even know who I'm married to.

And that's my point.

If you're a lawyer, every person that comes in to your firm is already going to have this general knowledge that AI has told me.

Isn't that true with like medicine now too, People go to the doctor and they assume they know more than the doctor.

Yeah, So I mean that's just something you probably have to deal with in those careers.

Now, I agree.

All right, what's next?

Cloud sixty six asks how was it going to duke as a UK fan?

Uh?

Easy, they don't really care about UK.

Are you wearing gear?

Oh?

Yeah all the time?

So you're hearing it.

Then I mean, yeah, but they don't.

I'm trying to think what the example would be.

So the example would be if you to you know, if you went to Kentucky, if you wore Indiana gear, would you get harassed?

Probably not, But if you went to Indiana and wore Kentucky gear, you would get haressed.

Like they hate us more than we care about them.

It's kind of how it is with Duke, like they don't really think of Kentucky.

We care about them a lot more than they care about us.

So no one really cared.

But if it was reversed and there was a dookie here at Kentucky.

They'd be different.

Here, be different.

They would hear it.

So it was easy.

And when I was there, they were really really good, like they won the national championship.

But I went to every game cheered for the other team.

I love that.

I often would try to find a shirt of the team they were playing.

So I became a big Maryland fan during those years because Maryland was really good.

That was One Dixon, Steve Blake, remember those guys.

So I cheered for them and I was i'd I'd wear turtles to the game.

Sounds pretty insufferable if I was a Duke fan.

Yes, Matt was right, I said in the student section, I stormed the floor when when North Carolina beat him in Durham.

So you celebrated as I ran on the floor with the U n C team.

That's funny if you there's a game where they play Duke and like I want to say two thousand and two, when they show the student section, you see me cheering for Carolina in the background.

The college young college, Matt Jones of law school.

But yeah, I was uh so it was fun for me, except when they won the national championship.

That was hard because I did hate them.

You're just surrounded by it at that point too.

Yeah, and Shane Battier and I were going after the same woman, right, Yeah.

Did he went out on the end on that one.

I think he had her.

I think he dated her before, so I think I was after Shaye, but they were still friends.

I was very jealous of it.

It's also hard.

So I was like a first I was a first year law student and she was like a senior, so she was I was like a year older than her.

Battye A was maybe a sophomore and she had dated him.

You know, she'd be like shame, No, I didn't.

I didn't like it.

Yeah, that's tough to follow a future NBA player, I mean.

And he also seemed like a nice guy, you know what I mean.

He was like you know, it wasn't like he was a jerk.

Bad on TV though, So you had him shockingly bad on TV, probably the most surprisingly bad person on television.

Because I thought he'd be great because he's smart.

What was his line, Well, that's great, Well that's great.

Yeah yeah, he Uh, I don't.

I don't think she ever saw me with the same twinkle in her eye that she did when she thought about Shade Batty.

And then Mike Krzyzewski hit my girlfriend, a different girlfriend.

They had a car rip for each other.

Yeah, yeah, and I had to come out.

He was kind of yelling at her.

I was like, listen, Mike, stand up to coach k You can't yell.

You can't yell at her.

He runs that town though.

Yeah, you can't do that to Uh.

That just shows you would challenge anybody like you, Oh.

For sure, in the law school, the law school, when you pulled out of law school, the basketball administrative office like that, you could hit each other if you weren't careful, and you did, and well they did, and uh yeah, I'm not gonna let you talk trash to billy our sports or to to my then girlfriend.

That's good to know, stand up for in the face of anybody, even Coach K, even Coach K.

I've just got a few more for you.

But I'm gonna throw in another newsy one here.

Donald Trump and the leaders of Saudi Arabia met recently.

What were your thoughts on that?

Well, corrupt, So start with corrupt.

Although Saudi Arabia, though, I mean, if you want peace in the Middle East, they're probably the country with the best chance it's given it.

It's an interesting moral question, all right.

So it's pretty much without debate that they ordered to have that American journalist killed, which Trump seems to say, and Trump now is like, let's not talk about it.

So I guess it's an interesting question.

What do you do.

Let's say you legitimately believe Saudi Arabia is the key to peace in the Middle East, and the Keyedar oil and the keydar prosperity.

And let's say you believe they did that, but they're turning a new course what do you do.

I guess it depends on your belief of the greater good of the goal you're trying to accomplish here.

And I would say to you there's a case to be made that you have to move forward.

But that's not why Trump's doing Trump's doing it for money, right, And that's what's hard for me is I'm there's a case to be made we need to work with Saudi Arabia in the future, but they still lie and say they had nothing to do with it.

Our Cia has proven they did.

And I don't think that's why we're doing it.

I don't think we're doing it because we see this vision of the future with more peace and prosperity.

I think we're doing it because of he wants to make a deal.

He's made deals with them, and he wants to have Trump properties, Like that's why we're doing it.

So that's what's frustrating me.

But you know, I mean they killed and not just killed the journalists, killed an American.

You know, they had an American killed and the fact and you know there are people who believe they had a role in funding nine to eleven.

Now that's a little less more tenuous but like our own CIA is proven.

They had that journalist killed, and the idea that they just can move forward.

A citizen of another country could argue that, I'm America has done things in the past that is not looked upon.

And they wouldn't be wrong.

Rightly, they wouldn't be wrong, which is why you might have to work with them.

But I also don't think the president should sit in the Oval Office and say, well, a lot of people didn't like our American Yeah, that was that was a little It's shameful, it's all.

It's gross.

All he cares about is whether or not you like him.

And the gold in the background of the well, that's a whole other thing, you know.

And if you think the White House looks so gauded, it does look like the home devot like he's painted off.

I mean, I don't really like of all.

I don't really care about that, but it looks so taggy.

What's next?

I got two more for you.

The Big Shalom asks what is a movie?

A shalom?

The Big Shalom, he asked, what's a movie you refuse to watch because it's been hyped up too much?

Tombstone, I don't even know what movie that is.

You've never heard of Tombstone?

Really?

How old are you?

Thirty?

Okay?

I mean you might have been.

That might have come out like the year you were born.

Tombstone pizza, Tombstone pizza.

Yeah, you never heard of Tombstone not a lick Wow, Well there.

Was it came out I want to say ninety four, maybe ninety five, so I mean you literally it may have been the year you were born.

It starred Val Kilmer, and I never saw it, so I never saw it.

But dudes of my age will rank that as like one of their favorite movies, and it became a how have you not seen it?

And now I refuse to see it because people yelled at me for so long for not having seen it.

I have seen screenshots of a sweaty Val Kilmer in that.

I think that was a different kind of movie.

I don't know what problem in this movie.

Sure that wasn't something else you were watching.

No, it's it was this, But I've never seen the movie.

Who else is in it?

Kurt Russell?

Kurt Russell, that's Sam Elliott.

What's the line in there?

You're gonna be my I'll be your huckleberry that's what it is.

I'll be your huckleberry is something he says, and that's like a very famous thing people my age would say when I was in college, I'll be your huckleberry, like I'll be the one to fight you or whatever.

Five hundred must be a peach of a hand?

What was that?

That was just a line in the movie.

Did that not resonate?

No, I just know I'll be your huckleberry.

But I've never seen it, and people get on you for not seeing it, and now I intentionally won't just to be like no, I think I'm gonna go watch it.

I've also never seen Lord of the Rings, but I want to.

I just have it.

Do you have an issue with those kind of movies like sci fi fantasy esque?

Like have you seen Star Wars?

Are you sharning the dude?

I've seen Star Wars.

I'm fine with it.

Don't watch Star Treks.

It's too nerdy.

I think Star Wars a little cooler than Star Trek.

I don't like fantasy, but I did like reading Lord of the Rings when I was a kid, so I'm not against it.

I've tried Game of Thrones like three or four times, and I get into the first few episodes, and then it's like there's there's monsters and horses, and it's just like I I just I prefer my I prefer to be in the actual world that exists.

You might like the books, you know, that's a big is better than the show.

But they still have the same like mystical stuff, right they do.

The problem was the TV show went farther than the books, so when they screwed up on the last season, that was all just like not what the author originally did.

Yeah, I mean I've I've literally seen episode one and two probably five times where I try.

I mean, I watch when they go out and he goes out to that cold white the White Walkers.

I've won that, and then the little the woman with her dinosaur egg and all that, like I oh, yeah, Denis.

I mean I've seen all that a bunch.

But then I just I can never get like, I never jump into the rest of it.

Well, they're still creating new ones, right The House of Dragon's gonna come back out with the new season, so you need to get on.

I haven't finished season one, so it's hard for me to believe I'm going to get the House of Dragon what's next?

All right, this may be our final one here.

Since You've been gone, not Ben gone, being gone, Since.

You've being Gone.

I like the song since you Been Gone?

Yeah, Little Kelly Clarkson.

Is it hard dating being a popular public figure?

Yeah, because people are in your business.

Well do you like date people that know who you are?

Try not to?

Try not to.

I'd say my best dating successes in Kentucky have been with people who initially didn't know who I was, and then like I tend to date oututside of it and just people, you know, people I understand there because I talk about everything and don't talk about that, people seem to focus on it, so I try to.

But yeah, plus, people think they already know you when they meet you, and that's yeah, I don't.

I don't love it, So I mean, yeah, it is a lot plus in Kentucky.

The reality is people get married so young.

You know, I mean, you're thirty, you're ancient to get married now, imagine your mind.

Yeah, And you know, I love the connection I have with the listeners.

They come up and act like, you know, we're friends and have been for a while.

But I could see that being weird dating because they would assume things about you and your personal life that would just not line up.

Yes, and then you go somewhere.

It's hard to sign a woman up for that, right because you go somewhere and everybody's looking at you, or they might put their name or their picture up on the internet or something.

So I don't like that.

Some people will probably do, but like I don't.

Or there may be Netflix cameras at your first eight Well that was a different kind of thing.

That was wild.

Oh how do you have a normal conversation when you're knowing that that's being filmed?

Oddly, oddly, I forgot it was being filmed.

I know that sounds crazy, but the camera was kind of hoiding.

We were miked up, and after about thirty minutes I kind of forgot they were there.

And then that cake came out.

Yeah, you got to stop with the cake.

There was nothing wrong with the cake, I know, I just I mean, I don't know why why do people think that was weird?

I said, look at that cake.

It was an amazing cake.

Look at that cake was amazing.

I can't watch that though without cringing now, really, but just that moment or the whole thing, No, just that moment.

Okay, it was not edited well for me.

Are you talking about the golf scramble?

No, no, no, I'm talking about the dead dates specifically, it made me look a lot more awkward than it was.

I think that woman.

I'm still friendly with that woman.

She would tell you that it was not as awkward as that made it look.

Like, Well, if we're going to ask her, we also need to ask the Netflix director because they may have a different side of the story.

No, they wanted me to keep dating it.

Like the one woman.

There was a main director and then there was like a secondary director.

Secondary director is in.

I'm still occasionally in communication with her, and she will always ask me about that woman, as if that's the only person I've seen.

Yeah, yeah, but that was weird you walk in.

I mean, it's interesting about the scene you're walking into Jeff Ruby's.

All these cameras are on you, and then there's all these people in the restaurant, like what's going on?

You know, It's like you're zoo animal a little bit.

Yeah, that is true.

So it is.

But for whatever reason, the successful like relationships I've had have been people that when we went out, they didn't know who I was, and then we had to overcome the barrier.

They would tell their friends or their coworkers they were going out with me, and then they'd hear stuff.

Oh, and then they'd be told secondhand and they and I'd have to kind of get over that barrier that that's happened.

Like every time, a lot of people have opinions, and everybody's gonna have that means like, you know, she starts dating you and everybody that she knows has it.

And a lot of people here in Kentucky think I'm gay?

Is that right?

Oh?

Yeah, you are getting up there in age, Matt.

What does that have to do with anything?

Well, if it ain't working out with the girls, maybe it's time to switch over.

You gotta find you mean, I had to find you a relationship so somebody can cook for you.

I don't think that is the solution to just completely switch teams.

Which sides.

Yeah, I think I'm on the correct team.

Well, if it ain't work for me, nothing against the other team.

I support that team.

They should play for all the glory.

It's just not my team, right, And even though you want me to switch teams, I'm fine with the team.

I'm fine with whatever team you're on.

I'm not worried about your team.

You do makes you happy.

Thank you, Philly.

All right, so that is that has been interruptive by Matt Jones.

We will be back.

We'll be having a rebrude next week for Thanksgiving.

Then we'll be back the next week.

We'll see you later.