OK, fine, we what's this?

Why I banged on the desk like this?

That's in the edit.

You're angry.

Why are you angry?

David, calm down.

I'm calm, I will calm.

Calm down I'm I'm triggering myself even saying it to you.

I hate that so much.

When people tell you to calm down, yes.

I don't know anyone who likes it.

Those words have the opposite effect.

Relax.

Nope, relax doesn't even bother me.

You could say anything else that means the same thing.

Like take a breath, take a seat, relax.

All of that is fine.

But for some reason calm down.

That will set me into a blind rage.

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And we're here to talk to you about Pluribus 8th episode of its first season, titled Charm Offensive 1.

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And today we're back again to talk about the eighth episode of Pluribus's first season.

It'll charm offensive.

So it's been pretty difficult.

Two nights ago was the last time I touched an edit because of how busy we've been.

It's going to be weird.

We'll see how it goes.

Second thing I wanted to talk about was, hey, we got to plug the merge store at the top because, hey, I've been slacking off.

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Get there, This is old.

Exactly.

That's an older design.

Rachel's wearing a design that she designed, by the way.

From you remember well beyond.

From walking to.

I did do that, didn't I?

You did do that.

Actually, yes.

It's very cool design.

Second thing off the top, I wanted to mention that in the credits I noticed the name that I hadn't seen in relation to this series.

I was like, oh wait, I know who that person is and I wanted to see what more she did for the shows that I immediately thought of.

Her name is Sharon Bialy, and if you don't know who I'm talking about, she is one of the casting directors for a bunch of things Invasion on Apple TV as well as Murderbot.

I recommend both, and I haven't really got back to Invasion just yet.

Murderbot stars Alexander Skarsgard, his brother we just saw in it.

Welcome to Dairy Bill Skarsgard, funny show, very satirical.

Sharon D, you would love it to death, Literally.

The Handmaid's Tale, everybody knows that.

The Righteous Gemstones.

That's why Sharon D was nodding her head.

And of course, where I actually know her from initially is first Fear The Walking Dead.

I'll tell you why in just a second.

Then go forward to The Walking Dead.

The ones who live then go all the way backwards.

Because she was also casting director on The Walking Dead as well.

I have seen her name in the credits many, many, many, many, many times.

For many many, many great shows and movies too.

If I'm not mistaken.

Why I remember that name so very well is because back during the clip where we were talking about eating children Fear The Walking Dead, Cooper Dodson, who played it was the three kids, Max, Annie and Dylan.

Dylan, right?

And we're talking about, oh, just cutting his cheeks right there.

The point is that she actually called us out when we released that clip.

It was literally one of our first clips ever.

And because it sounded like we were bullying all the kids and wanting to hurt them, the actors and not the the characters, right?

Because eating, you know, some people.

And then she was like, why are you bullying?

Like you're misunderstanding.

It's part of a bigger conversation where we're being satirical and we don't wish any harm to the kids.

However, it happened during a time where most people are kind of being mean to these kids for the parts they were playing and not about the writing and whatnot.

You know how people are sometimes.

People go to people.

You mean the exact thing that we were like, dedicated to being against?

Yeah, exactly.

The thing we campaigned against, yes.

The problem is we don't listen to the podcast.

You don't really get the joke, so do that.

Well, and that's the whole point of the clips is to draw you in.

You're like, what the heck, Now I got to listen to the rest of it.

Now I got to know what they're talking about.

Why are they bullying these kids?

That's why.

It's actually.

We're not bullying kids.

Also, she's just a good supporter of all the kids and good.

Obviously she stands behind her casting decisions too.

And she's one of three casting directors of the show.

So that's the second thing.

Third thing I noticed at the end of the last episode, and I needed to pick your brain on.

I'm not sure if this is Canon to the show or if it's just Carolina Wiedra, the actor who plays OSHA.

The way she was holding herself in that last scene, she looked kind of in the early.

Stages of pregnancy.

Yes, yes, I thought the same thing.

It didn't register at first because I don't.

Like no, I don't either.

In a weird way.

I saw it too.

I don't even want to be accused of being judgmental.

Hear me out on this, What if the character is with Carol's stem cell baby?

Just saying.

That's kind of what I was thinking.

It's not something I've seen people talk about either so this is just came totally from my dumb brain.

She wouldn't be able to do that without Carol's permission.

Yes, she can because the stem cells are not in Carol.

They said we won't take any stem cells out of your body.

Her eggs are already out of her body.

And if they make a baby with her?

I feel like that's still crossing a line.

She asked her for permission to sit down.

I don't think she's just going to take her eggs and implant herself without permission.

But their biological directive goes beyond.

What is their biological directive?

To assimilate, but that it's their form of.

Replication though, but not only that, there's the whole Chekhov's eggs situation because why would they have dropped dimension of her eggs in episode 3 if it wasn't going to be something that came back later?

And again, the way they phrased it, we won't take any stem cells out of your body.

They specifically phrased it like that.

And she made sure to mention earlier in the episode, oh, so all the lawyers survived?

The lawyer said.

Make sure you stipulate we're not going to take them out of your body because they're already out of your body.

I'll add a little extra stank on the idea that she had a little bit of a pregnant belly.

Is that also you could see that she clearly had an Audi belly button through the shirt.

I don't know if you saw that too.

I can't say I specifically noticed the out.

It was in the recap though too, which was striking.

I'm going to say that if they're going in this direction, it's the character and not the actress because being so in the early stages of pregnancy, if it was the actress, it'd be very easy to hide that right now for.

Her, and she wasn't.

Intended to hide, but they're no, not at all.

Not even.

She even stood kind of like with her back or her lower back arched a bit.

Yeah, OK.

I'm so glad that you guys noticed it.

I noticed it all throughout the episode, but I feel like it was the most prominent when they were standing on that rockledge.

Yeah, staring at the train.

I didn't notice it, but now that you're bringing it up I can theorize as to why that would be.

In this episode, I noticed that no matter what Zocia wore, which is interesting because every other hive mind person just continues to wear the same clothing Zocia, and this could be by design.

Pay special attention to try to change her dress every now and again.

Maybe too charm offensive, We'll go to the title did.

You notice the guy disrobing in the giant sleeping place.

They had big bins of clothes where people were taking their clothes off and putting in there.

Yeah, so they are changing for laundry.

Or they're at least cleaning them right, right.

But the thing that I really wanted to get to was despite her changing her clothes, they still were kind of again, I'm disclaiming like the pregnant belly.

I'm afraid of saying this, but they seemed I'll fitting.

They didn't quite fit in certain areas in the chest area.

Can you be more?

Specific.

Too tight.

Too loose too.

It was.

It was tight in some places, loose in others.

Did she look uncomfortable?

She didn't look uncomfortable, but it just looked very ill fitting.

You know how you wear a shirt and you sit down, there's a little thing that comes out?

It's just everything kind of looked a little misshapen and whatnot.

Everything looked a little tight on top, loose on the bottom, loose on top, tight on the bottom, something, well, something like that.

I suggest that one of us goes back and watches to see if Helen dressed the same way.

So now you're seeing what I used to see at least because I every time I see her interact with Zosa, I do feel like, Is this replacement Helen too?

There was a shot, this is after the 60 days timer, and Carol was at the window washing the Peppers and she looks out the window at Helen's grave and they show it from the outside in and you can see Carol and there's a reflection in the window of Helen's grave and then Zosha comes and stands right on top.

Of the reflection.

Of Helen's grave.

Okay, nice shot there.

Send your gate again.

Uh huh.

We're In Sync now.

We're assimilating now, guys.

We're no longer gonna be able to have different.

Thoughts.

Their whole point is to make Carol happy for whatever reason, and the best way to do that is to make her comfortable with someone who is just like Helen.

Or not someone who's they are just like.

There's a part in the first episode when Helen's like, oh poor you making millions of dollars writing books and all your fans.

And Zocia does the same thing in this episode.

Oh, poor you and your fans of a.

Poor tortured artist.

Tortured artist.

They're purposefully channeling Helen through Zocia.

Pair that with.

She's supposed to be ribbon.

That's a double layer of manipulation.

Right.

It's like having your cake and being ribbon is eating it too.

For.

Well, I shouldn't have used those words.

Let's move on.

Yeah, David, I didn't realize I'd stepped in it it.

How does charm offensive?

Those words can relate to what we just saw.

I think you have to change the punctuation on it.

Charm, question mark, offensive period.

That's Carol's outlook.

So she's offended by the hive minds charms again.

We have to keep saying that it's not.

Everything the hive mind does, she's offended by.

Zosh's very much going on the offensive with her charm.

Charm offensive sounds like a maneuver from Starfleet or something.

Ensign performed the charm offensive.

Go.

Initiate Charm.

Offensive.

Exactly Engaged.

I think when Manusos gets there, he's going to be very offended that they've charmed Carol to this point.

Well, and don't we all, OK, I'm lumping you in with me.

Sorry.

I am the kind of person who, when somebody's really nice to me, is kind of like, what is their deal?

Yeah.

What do they got going on there?

Very suspicious, yes.

I hate somebody I know.

I act accordingly, but still, it's like one of those things where, yeah, I just need time with people to not have these dumb feelings.

Are they dumb?

I don't think they're dumb.

I don't even like thinking badly about people before I even know them.

It's ingrained and it's nothing I can really do about it at this point.

I.

Don't think there's anything wrong.

With that, I read somewhere, Dave, that the first thought you have is the way you were brought up, and the second thought you have is what you actually believe.

I ascribe to that because being raised in the South by Southern women, there's a lot of things.

I think immediately I'm like, wait a minute, get out of there.

That is not what I really.

Think.

Get out of there, Auntie or granny.

Yes, Mommy.

Now that I'm really thinking about it, I do have those thoughts in the opposite.

Order.

Really.

If somebody's nice, my initial reaction is and then I go wait a minute.

Maybe there should be more.

My first reaction is to accept it, but then I'm like but why?

Well, I'm very conscious about accepting it.

See, it's the unconscious immediately being like, what's their deal?

What are they angling at?

What do they want from me?

The extraction of my talents or whatnot.

No, I I just usually assume it's to make fun of me in some way.

No me.

Look like a joke Yeah, I always feel like I'm gonna look like the butt of a joke.

I.

Don't like that?

And to make it the funniest is to be nice to me first and make me look really dumb by being nice.

And this is your after instinct.

I hate that for you so much.

I hate that for you.

I think I feel a lot like Carol.

I'm aware it's probably manipulation, but I still want to accept it a little bit.

Oh, my instinct is more like, everybody has an angle.

You can't hold it against them.

You're like, oh, these mother, it's gonna happen.

I know most people are.

It's it's probably not what I want it to be, but I'm gonna try to believe it's that for as long as I can.

OK, yeah.

So we're very similar, so little nuance between the way we think.

Again, I I don't like being messed this way, but.

Here.

No, I don't either.

Here we are.

I mean, I don't like it but.

A lot of that is learned behavior because of how you've been treated in the past, and those things stick with you and it's easier to remember and believe the bad things and it is the good things.

Just even nature.

Yeah.

Any other versions of the charm offensive in this episode that really stood out to you?

Yes, Manuso's whole experience at the hospital, they were quite charming at the hospital.

He wanted to pay his bill and they were like, OK, do you want a receipt?

Here you go.

Right, OK, let's start with the simple.

Do you think he was, in his own way, trying to push their buttons to see if they would react to him wanting a receipt?

Let's start there.

No, I think he genuinely is trying to pay people.

We saw him leave money on the windshield of the car in the last episode.

So he's genuinely keeping tabs on what he's borrowing and what he owes and.

Continuing the thought.

Yeah, he received care in a hospital, and when everything gets back to normal, he doesn't want that debt hanging over his head, OK.

You know, he annoyed me as usual because.

OK, I'm surprised that you're annoyed by this guy a little bit though.

You want to save the world, but you have to live in order to do that.

You can't save the world if you're dead.

You've been under their care for X amount of days, they're obviously not going to kill you.

Heal yourself, it's annoying.

They've already manhandled him.

That's really it.

If they wanted to kill you, they could have done it by now.

I don't think he's worried about them hurting him.

Like you said, if they were going to, they would have.

It could be one of many things.

He obviously just doesn't trust them, I don't think.

I think he knows entirely what's going on.

He's not asking the right questions, so he doesn't have the answers.

He doesn't want to rely on the answers.

Either like Kumba, he's asking the right question, so he has a lot more answers.

Carol now has a few more answers.

Menuso still has no idea what's going on.

He thinks he knows.

He talks to them like they're aliens when the people get back.

Or you know you don't belong on this planet.

He doesn't pretend like they're anything else other than they are on a very prejudgy level, rightfully.

He doesn't trust what they're doing.

It's not out of fear for his life.

He just doesn't know what's going on, I don't think.

Or it could be that he doesn't want to like them either.

Charm offensive, right?

If I like them, it'll wear down my defenses that I can't afford to wear it down because if I they get worn down, I get distracted.

But Carol says this also in the episode You're distracting me because you think I'm I'm getting close like you did before.

And then I got lonely and then I gave in and here you are.

And then you were affable.

Well, that's that happened.

That happened after that conversation.

Anyway, he wants to be laser focused and not get bogged down by human emotion.

That doesn't change the fact that you can't do anything if you're dead.

100%.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Here was my thought process.

It was one thing when he was doing the whole siphoning gas from somebody who formerly needed the gas in case everything comes back to normal so that I don't owe anybody anything.

Which is weird.

Also, by the way, if you're saving the world, don't you think people would owe you?

Think about that for a minute.

He doesn't have that mentality.

But why?

Heroes don't think they're.

Heroes Oh, come on.

Superman crashes into building all the buildings all the time.

He's probably sorry about it, but he's like, you know, listen, I saved the world.

What are you going to do?

But he doesn't feel like anyone owes him anything.

No, no.

But it's not even that part.

It's like he's going out of his way to not have to owe anybody anything, rather than being like, let me just do the things, take the gas, because nobody's going to care that he took gas to save the world.

And if he sees them as so subhuman and not human, then why would he care if he took something from them and was beholden to them?

This is his own.

I'm not going to pick an apple.

Yes, and OK, so the whole hospital bill is what got me and the fact that he did it at scalpel point, knife point, that specific part bothered me because scalpels are insanely sharp, yes.

So him sloppily drugged out and holding it against that, if not for the fact that I know it's television, that may be a little.

I'm nervous, but OK, Manousos, just you know what, get out of my face.

But let's go back to the matter at hand.

Because it was one thing if it was gas, now it's a hospital bill that is very exorbitant.

Now, whether he can afford it or not is a whole other thing.

Plus the ambulance.

Right I'm.

Going to read what I wrote and then I'll explain it.

At first I thought he doesn't want to owe anyone because of his determination but now I understand and it goes way beyond that.

He wants literally nothing to do with the world and doesn't want to owe even the before times people anything.

He hates the world, but he hates the hive mind even more because they took something from the world like the world took something from him.

Can I add to that?

Because I've noticed that Carol has figured out that you can still fight the good fight, but continue to live your life.

Or yeah to figure it out.

You can continue to have someone to share things with and still continue to try to find the answer or whatever, but I feel like Menusos didn't have a life before this.

He's perfectly comfortable in solitude and not accepting help.

Do you remember what I said in the last episode?

Why choose this profession too?

What was it about being alone amongst forgotten things?

It's one thing if you're discarded, like the things in the storage facility that where he worked.

It's another thing if you choose Hermitude, la Virgin del Carmen, the Patroness St.

of Hermits Menusos chooses this life and why?

Because he hates people.

But he hates it even more that the aliens stole something from even the people, and they could have stolen from him as well.

It's just such a fascinating character breakdown.

I wonder if he hates them because he survived on hating his mother and by making her nice they took away.

I mean we don't know anything about him yet but maybe his purpose.

Maybe his purpose was I hate my mom because he was pretty venomous about it and by making her this nice person and that he doesn't recognize anymore they took away his purpose.

Rightfully or wrongly, because it's one thing to hate your mom for whatever reason, but at the expense of living your own life is where it takes an extreme.

Anything you do to yourself, any awful thing you do, any loneliness you experience, you can always blame your mom, Your bitch mom, but without her in the picture, like you said.

OK, well, now what?

Now I get to hate the hive mind, right?

And then determined to eradicate that hate And listen, I'm fully recognizing that I'm projecting my feelings onto this character because we don't know anything.

We're just picking up crumbs of clues.

We're we're building a whole character profile.

I'm just trying to put the clues together and delve into his psyche and figure out what's making him tick.

And that's what makes shows like this fun, because you can do that.

Right, you know what we are.

We're Carol with all her legal pads, writing the first book in the restaurant puzzle pieces.

We love about shows like The Walking Dead is people are not black and white.

In those shows there's levels of grey and it's no different in this show.

There's levels of grey area that you have to explore.

That's what makes it fun.

Manusos is pretty black and white.

There's no room for grayness in his world.

It's either yes or it's no.

It's us or it's.

This I would say he has a tough exterior and it's hard to tell why he is the way he is too, but for all intents and purposes he's quite extreme.

Jason said.

I thought he wanted to pay for his ambulance ride but he bought the whole ambulance.

Yeah.

So $8277.53 plus the cost of an ambulance.

Yeah.

I just want to point something else out real quick that I've noticed the prevalence of the number 8.

The 8th episode.

866 million people died.

The number on the dial that he dials up is.

8.613.

This hospital bill is.

827753.

Yeah, the number on Carol's house is 12 O 8.

The page that she tells the person to turn to to find out about Raban in the very first episode is 218.

And by the way, that is the chapter that was released on Apple Books 8 seems to stand out for some reason.

Maybe it means something, maybe not.

It's something I noticed.

7 in the Bible indicates several, but I often wonder whether 8, because obviously 8 turned on its side, is infinite.

There's a difference between several and infinite several.

There's a finite number, but it's a lot.

8 is infinite.

So maybe there's something to what you're saying, that whatever's happening here to the exclusion of Carol and all the other survivors, is infinite.

It's happening.

It's unstoppable.

They're going to build that antenna.

It's going to happen unless Episode 9 tells us otherwise, because 987.

I hate myself.

For making that joke.

6-7 Now you can put that in the notes and have people actually come and watch the stuff, watch the look at the.

SCO on this, now you have to deal with the hand 67.

I am you can't see my hand 67.

God, great, that's gonna make the clip now too.

My nieces and nephew are gonna be like he said it.

He finally said it.

I'm a terrible uncle.

Talking about humor, Carol trying to explain why she has Georgia O'Keeffe in her house was so stupid.

You're not going to pin it on me, Coppers.

See, the thing I was doing was.

Buffaloes might get in and rub up against the painting.

Goodness, those buffaloes got a shut, although that is funny because the fact that they had to put in Buffalo or buffaloes or Buffalo ES and then she says it in the next episode.

But there there's no wrong way to say the plural pluribus of buffaloes or Buffalo.

There's no wrong way technically.

That was actually not a Buffalo, it was a bison.

They are.

Different, right?

Of course there's no more Buffalo.

This is ES.

But also it goes hand in hand with the pronoun conversation too.

I'm so confused, what do I say?

Is it sheep or sheeps?

No, it's sheep.

Always sheep.

There's no sheeps.

Right?

But buffaloes can can be spelled any which way.

Is it octopuses or octopi?

It depends on the format.

The creature I think is octopi.

Unless you're James Bond, then it's I'm not gonna go there.

It's OK.

I got you, dog.

I got you back.

I.

Am I'm Bear Jordan today Exactly my favorite guest star so far.

I'm gonna pull a Rachel on this one and say I'm really glad they gave us some answers.

We've been talking about where do they sleep?

What do they do?

What is going on?

What about the animals?

It wasn't like this big reveal like, and this is what they're doing.

It's like, yeah, we're just sleeping in a.

Come spend the night with us, Carol.

Come hang out.

Right.

Have a slumber party look.

Why don't they have mattresses?

You have access to every mattress ever made.

I understand your hive minded whatnot, but laying on a cold floor is still going to be painful even if you have a hive mind body.

Get some mattresses.

I did think that through the floors might have been heated because it was a multi use space.

It's still hard.

Yeah, it's not going to.

Make a There was a whole poor old lady they had to help lay down.

Yeah, because you're laying her down on a hard floor.

Get a mattress.

Them.

It's just them that was old and there was somebody there to help because obviously everybody's thinking about everybody else, meaning everybody is themselves.

So it's not that confusing actually.

You just have to keep remembering that it's all the same.

I understand that, but I don't care who you are, if you're laying on a hard floor, it's going to be uncomfortable.

Whether or not you're a hive mind person, but you still feel that.

They obviously still feel things.

They talked about that.

We feel the massage.

Everybody knows we're doing it but never feels it.

But you're still laying on a cold floor, a hard floor.

Use 20 minutes of your time and go get some mattresses for some people.

If you have arthritis, you're going to be in pain.

That's just science.

Just because you share a hive mind doesn't mean your physical ailments go away.

That's a good point, but then again I don't think the hive mind cares.

About being in pain.

If they didn't care about that, then they wouldn't bother helping the people that were hurt.

They just be like, OK, you're gonna live with it.

Deal with being impaled.

There's mattress stores in Albuquerque.

You're cleaning out houses of all their food.

Grab a mattress while you're there and drag it down to the Sports arena.

Maybe it's like a rising tide lifts all boats thing because I think their priorities have been food distribution primarily and obviously the antenna, but we'll talk about that later as they kind of have a baseline of what what they have, right?

Because let's start with the things that they sleep on, OK?

Let's make sure everybody equally, right?

Because everybody's equal in the side of mine.

That's the impression I got by the fact that everybody was equally sleeping on a similar sleeping bag of some kind or some sort of folded up poofy blanket or something.

OK, now that we have all the poofy blankets, OK, everybody will have a mattress of some kind across the world.

See, this is where it starts getting a little hairy, right?

Because different cultures have different traditions.

And it was in Japan in the summer.

And more often than not, people culturally don't have beds.

They either have some sort of futon, which is a newer advent by the way, compared to the past.

In the past, they used to sleep on the tatami mats.

They didn't have any designated sleeping spot.

They would just sleep on the floor.

Not everywhere in the world has an indoor toilet too.

Think about that for a minute.

Indoor plumbing and stuff like that.

How do you equalize?

It I can see your point there, but if you want efficiency in your workers, they need to not be in pain.

Obviously they still need sleep, otherwise they wouldn't be sleeping.

Your body is still the same.

To be fair, it seems to me that they would only do it inasmuch as everybody would have that comfort level, otherwise they would feel unequal within themselves.

Think about it this way, they share a hive mind so they're all one being.

But the individual person is almost like an appendage.

So you sprained your ankle, you broke your ankle, so now you have to sleep with your leg elevated.

That limb needs extra special support because of the situation it's in.

These people who are suffering physical ailments are exactly like a sprained ankle.

The rest of them sleep fine on a hard floor and a sleep sleeping bag.

But these people, these limbs are injured.

They need something more comfortable, they need special circumstances in order to.

Well, we've seen them in hospital beds, so there's that.

But just because you're old doesn't mean you can't sleep on the floor.

Yes it does.

It does.

That's exactly what it means.

People used to sleep on the floor all the time.

Used to David when they were not old.

Used to when they were kids.

Other parts of the world, old people still sleep on the floor.

Listen, I don't disagree.

With people are fine, but I'm specifically talking about the old.

Lady.

The old lady that needed help, she maybe need maybe needed a little.

Her body is going to hurt really bad tomorrow, and when she has to get out and go do some picking apples up off the ground, it's going to hurt her when she has to bend over and pick up the apple because it's inefficient.

So you know what?

There's a lot of mattresses in the world.

Ship them around the world.

You can ship everything else you need to.

Did you notice all the airplanes flying in with all the people on them as they were talking?

I love that that part.

As OSHA.

Right.

You could see the airplanes, there was like 4 of them that flew in one after the other.

So funny.

No, I didn't notice that.

When they were out on her cul-de-sac and she was like, yeah, can you get someone to come power washing that up this often?

They were talking in the distance.

You could see planes.

Behind their heads.

One right behind the other flying in.

I wanted to go back to the painting, too.

It's how they didn't think of securing those places before they left the town.

Because in some way, art doesn't mean anything to them.

OK, that's also noteworthy considering how they bend over backwards for Carol.

In a sense.

There was one thing that they did do that I thought was interesting that they didn't do with the paintings.

I think it was when they were at the massage table.

Oh yeah, they bend over backwards to bring back that diner, and they used so many resources to do that too.

Even to the point if they had people driving by outside.

Right.

The cop car, The guy with the subwoofer.

Sirens going off.

Yeah, they really brought it to life.

Well, then the fact that they flew in three from Florida, they just got married, which is, again, I could see why it was too much for her because it's like wrapping your mind around how that's over for that person who had a dream, who had ambition, was taken away from her, just like her.

So yeah, going as far as to rebuild it from scratch and the experience and the phone calls and the ringing up of money, which doesn't exist anymore either.

All that stuff was going on in the background.

The PS of resistance is at the end, 60 days later.

They go as far to please Carol, whether she asked for it or not.

It may be the fact that Carol didn't ask for it, but Hive Zosha says, oh, let me bring back the radio.

The.

Radio station?

Yeah, I heard that too.

A jazz radio station with the DJ and everything.

Right, so it's just something to note the only in as much as they are sentimental, they're not.

They want to impress Carol.

This is the impression that I got.

The Hive loves her.

I know I brought this up in the last episode, but you get to see the lengths to which they will use their blood and treasure whatever they have to charm offensive.

They're adapting, they're using humor, they're razzing Carol, whereas they might not have done that before.

They're being Helen because that's the kind of thing Helen would do.

They're leaning into the hell instead of backing away from the Helen.

I feel like it's a battle between them.

So Carol's doing her best to shake Zosha out of the hive, right?

Tell me what you remember, what you think.

And Zosha is doing the same thing.

This is what we can do.

Why don't you remember this?

Why don't you do this?

Oh, dude.

So it's like a reverse War of the Roses.

We've been doing reverse lots of things like reverse Borg, reverse pod people, reverse alien invasion.

But now it's like reverse War of the Roses where their ammunition is the stuff that oh, remember this cool thing I did for you that really tickled?

And I have to say before I continue this line of thought of all of the episodes in this category so far, and obviously next week is the 9th and the last episode of Season 1.

This episode had to be emotional and many spots for many reasons for Carol because she's afraid of being alone.

But also when she was talking about writing at first when they were playing croquet, well, it's like getting your teeth drilled, like writing as a form of punishment.

But then as she remembers, like what I actually kind of missed when it was hard and difficult and there was this struggle between my day job and isn't that this podcast too?

Isn't that also my previous be a singer-songwriter career?

Just like Carol?

I imagine myself having a certain ambition and, and I really worked hard to be a singer-songwriter.

I would kill myself.

I would go out nights, not come back until 3:00 in the morning, wake up to four or five, six, whatever it is and do it again to go to work, etcetera, etcetera.

And then my life went into a completely different direction.

I don't have the same hang ups Carol has about that, but I do sometimes think about it.

This episode was kind of a personal attack where my life could have gone versus where I ended up.

I have no hang ups about this podcast.

This was something that I picked up and I'm like, this could be something let's keep going say this, this podcast took off.

Would I be like Carol?

Well, it's not my singer-songwriter career.

I'm not Shakespeare, I'm not whatever insert writer here.

Oh, I should be hard on myself podcast.

It's not where I wanted for myself originally.

She has the luxury of doing that because she's successful.

Exactly.

We're not successful yet, so you still got me.

I'm still here, guys.

I'm not a Carol yet, but as soon as I am I'll be weird and start getting your faces.

We're thankful for all of our fans, truly thankful.

We wouldn't call any of our fans crazy.

Moira, who sends us dumb hats.

Carol has the privilege of being successful and she has fans to throw away, right?

She doesn't care.

They're going to buy her book anyway.

You take them for granted because that's not what you originally wanted though, isn't it?

There is that additional level of this is not what I imagined for myself.

If not for that, she would maybe be a little bit more grateful for all she has when she was trying to write the books originally.

And part of that is the fact that Rabban was a woman.

In a sense, she's trying to right her wrongs.

That's another reason why I think the hive mind was trying to bring her back to that original moment.

Who was Ribbon originally supposed to be?

Yeah.

Hmm.

Supposed to be a woman.

Right.

Well, the end of the world is here.

What's holding you back?

Well, especially since the Hive already knows that Ribbon was supposed to be a woman originally, so it's no big surprise.

We have Helen's memories and it's the how.

OK, pay close attention to this.

I think it's a stroke of genius because Carol's not trying to go back to a time that once was.

She's not trying to acknowledge that the world didn't end, or her world as she knew it.

She doesn't place judgement on it.

She probably still does.

Obviously she's frantically writing on the now updated factoid board about the hive mind, but she's also, like you said, trying to live in the world in which she inhabits.

You don't have to kill yourself to get at this problem.

You can strike a balance between still trying to attack the problem and still maintain your mental and bodily integrity.

So she is living with Hive Zocia, not Zocia.

We might get to a point of interesting agreement slash disagreement later.

And the book is reflective of that.

The book doesn't retcon, doesn't go back to change things.

It says OK, the books happened, I can't take them back.

I don't want to take them back because people like them.

Proof positive that Zocia is just citing chapters.

Wait, is she going to use this?

She's like us on a podcast.

No, that can't be right.

What are you, an idiot correcting each other?

Except it's us.

We're the hive mind.

We are squawking dead.

But no, she's pushing through what she's already already done to make something better and bring it back to the original vision.

It's integrating what is now what was and what she originally wanted to do, and she's finding a way forward to do that.

Whereas you could accuse Menusos and Carol being completely and perfectly aligned with some tiny exceptions now.

The divide is super great, especially with Menusos now almost not a few 100 miles away from Carroll at the US Mexico border.

So Manusos has shown no sign of breaking, but he also apparently has been out of it for about a month and 1/2.

More or a little bit more.

So would he maybe have been different if that entire time he had been as isolated as Carol because Carol semi broke because she was by herself for almost 40 days?

So would he have been more likely to break had he been awake all that time and isolated?

9 days is not the same as 4 as 50 days almost.

I think it would have taken a lot longer for him because it seems like he lived a pretty.

I was thinking sheltered and isolated life.

I'm not saying he wouldn't have broken eventually, but I think it would have taken a lot longer for him.

Quite.

I was kind of on the same page as you, but then again, we'll never know yet.

Maybe I don't know.

And was he out the entire time?

It's hard to tell.

And how long was he out for?

How long did it take to get from the hospital that I mentioned the last episode, by the way?

They could have kept him in an induced coma too, if he needed to heal.

I think it's the very last scene we see him where he's dumping the hydrogen peroxide and then he's wrapping himself up.

I'm trying to piece together somewhat of a timeline because those should be showing signs of healing.

I.

Think they are?

You don't think so?

Not if they're still having that kind of a reaction from the hydrogen peroxide.

60 days -9 or 10 this span of time from the.

Time like from the time he left the hospital.

Really difficult.

Yeah, to when we see that also could be an indication that they're not healing well.

He's not taking good enough care of those.

Apparently he stopped taking antibiotics so the infection could be coming back.

Yeah, that's not a good idea.

Seymour I did see him with a pill bottle though.

Maybe he got the meds he needed from the pharmacy in the hospital because he knew how long of a journey he maybe.

It was in the ambulance already.

Sure, Also they had a bunch of ambulances lined outside anyway so.

My feeling with the sores was it was a bacterial infection.

He probably developed like these long running sores.

Plus he burned himself.

So those are also burn scars, yeah.

So it's mostly the burn marks than it is the infection, yeah.

Right.

Oh man, pretty gross when he poured the peroxide and I'm like.

Wasn't it a little funny as well in a sort of like, dude, come on man, come on, what are you doing right now?

Those rigging he had to do with the big bandage or his makeshift bandage, whatever it was, because it could have been a pillowcase that he just taped together.

It was very innovative.

And that's Fallout Innovator.

The innovator.

I know that's funny.

Funny.

It was funny, but I'm worried about us, that's all I'm saying.

And then when Pennywise showed up, oh wait, no.

What I am worried about you.

There's a parallel here too, but obviously completely different person.

So you see his sores and obviously he's gonna have scarring because I can't with this guy.

But we see the scars on Hive Zoysia's back too, and you wonder, just like Bree, just like Carol, who had lives before the world ended.

And then she talks about Gdansk, Poland, where actual Zoysia lived as a child, and you wonder what she said.

She'd have coins to rub together.

You wonder how hard her life might have been up until that point.

You saw the clothes she came in on before she dressed herself up to be Ribbon.

I guess I attributed her scars to Grenade.

Yeah, when she saved Carol from the grenade.

Thank you for that.

That's what I thought they were.

From that could have been it too.

My brain went to her past life.

Whatever it could have been.

I don't know because I want to know more about.

So she says.

Well, I'm Carol now all.

Right.

I'm glad we're on this now.

Did she grow up in Gdansk?

Isn't there a shipping company named Gdansk or something like that?

Because she was like, I watched the ships go in and out and I thought she was talking about the shipping company.

She wasn't in any kind of Polish garb when when we saw her.

She was in Morocco.

She was in Morocco, she was wearing some very poor traditional garb, but with these combat boots, the whole thing is just so SUS.

I'm making leaps here because based on the actor, she's obviously Polish.

Carolina Widra is a Polish American actress and model, best known for her roles in House, True Blood and Europa Report.

Early Life Carolina Widra was born on March 5th, 1981 in Popoli, Poland.

She grew up in a family of educators.

Her mother taught mathematics and her father taught art.

In 1992, Wieder and her family immigrated to the United States set settling in Orange County, California where her parents established a cleaning business.

She has an older brother who later became an accountant in London.

Wieder faced challenges during her childhood, including adjusting to life in a new country, dealing with a rare eye condition called Cola Boma, which affects the IRS.

Wieder began her modeling career at the age of 16, winning.

The elite Lee jeans model look contest in 1997.

OK, so she is younger, but not that much younger.

She's appeared in print advertisements for several well known brands including Armani Exchange, Calvin Klein, and Levi's.

Wieder gained significant recognition in the entertainment industry with her acting roles.

She's best known for her portrayal of Dominica Petrova in the medical drama House from 2011 to 2012, where she played the fake quote UN quote wife of Doctor Gregory House.

She also starred as Violet Mazurski in the vampire series True Blood and appeared in the fantasy thriller After in 2012.

In the sci-fi film That Europa Report in 2013, she's isolated her career to a specific period of time until she came up to purpose.

When they were talking to her on the official podcast, she had auditioned for Better Call Saul or Breaking Bad or something.

They remembered her when they were casting for this show and they called her and asked her to come and audition for it.

I'm.

Going to say something very SUS right now.

The fact that I've minds own the Super kind and stuff.

Like I was like, I don't not, I don't like you at all.

I said the same thing in my head as Carol did when she was on truth serum.

But Nope, I will not accept it.

But I found myself falling in love with her this episode as a character.

Just how far she went out of her way to make Carol feel like she could have an even better life than she did prior to.

There was something so thoughtful, right?

Thoughtful is the right word to bring her back to that moment where she went back to her roots.

I'm going to use a different word because what I saw was more genuine.

This wasn't exactly.

It felt very believable.

I'm going to backtrack just a little bit about the conversation.

When Carol specifically asks about Zosha's favorite food and she says the mango ice cream, and then she goes into this story about her childhood.

Did anyone else feel like Zosha was sort of separating in that moment?

There was still like a reminder of when she was talking about the Gdansk and the shipping freight things coming in, which is a whole other bit of conversation.

She still has the the wherewithal to say at 1st and now I know where they're going, yeah.

And would remind us that yeah, yeah.

But then it continues, There's an irony in what she's saying about her former childhood.

What is she saying?

What is she telling the audience?

Slash Carol?

Yeah, globalism is great.

The ability to be connected globally to the rest of the world that has fruits that are out of season and different animals to eat around the world that you can freeze and bring back here.

And having a restaurant obviously at a premium because of the cost to bring that animal to your plate, that's great.

But she still loved her mango ice cream.

She could have all the flavors of the world from all the companies.

Hershey's, Nestle, whatever it is, she still loved that old man's mango ice cream.

And there's something charming about it, too.

Isn't she?

Like Carol?

And hey, this could be a really great act.

I know you're reading Jason's comp.

Eyes over here.

Eyes over here, OK?

You don't know what my eyes are doing.

I can read you like a book.

OK.

Eyes up here.

Not Jason.

I know he Jason with your charm offensive, but listen up here.

But isn't that charming?

Isn't that what Carol's doing?

She's like, I know that this is World Peace, but I I just want my mango ice cream.

I want things back to the way they were.

How ironic.

She's explaining globalism, but she wants localism.

Yeah, I'm going to read Jason.

They do the thing, Jason.

Jason says.

The more so she refers to herself as I, the more I wonder if they can eventually separate themselves or even want to be individual.

Jason, that was my thought in this moment.

What I saw during that conversation was her sort of starting to separate herself from the hive.

On the pause.

Yes.

Before.

She says yeah, yeah, yeah.

Are we seeing the beginnings of how they can separate?

Almost like choosing to be yourself again is how you separate from the hive.

Choosing to reference your own memories, right?

Yeah, it's a great reach, you know that.

It's Gilligan effing with us, too.

But of.

Course.

I agree with you, but what if that's not really her memories?

What if she just acts?

As somebody else, son of a bitch.

Sharon D.

My God be more manipulation.

That is entirely possible as well.

I like your idea better, but I'm just saying.

We're operating off of feelings, aren't we though?

Well, we're also operating off the information that we have, which is they can't lie.

And Sharon would go but can't think.

Maybe it's the appearance of not lying.

Maybe they could pick an effing apple anytime they're just not telling you they can.

They are all the same person.

So when she says tell me your memories, it wouldn't necessarily be lying.

Well, but she specifically asked for Zoshas.

This world that we live in right now, I think most people tell the truth wait, you take it for granted you in the western world take it for granted that most people most times tell the.

Truth.

Their truth.

It's all perspective.

David, this wonderful little beautiful bubble you live in, it's all perspective.

No, no.

So nice.

I'll tell you.

I'll tell you why, first of all, that I'm right.

Tell me more about your delulu.

Most of the time it's unconscious.

With the truth comes consequence.

Most people don't run lights.

Most people obey stop signs.

Most people obey walk signs.

Why?

Because there's a social contract.

At least in the western world.

We're very pro social contract to the point where some regions in the United States have varying degrees of offense taken.

When you don't adhere the social contract, most people by and large, without even thinking about it, tell the truth to the point where what what if not was so great about freedom of speech was oh, hey, I could say anything I want without impunity from the government from the powers that be to stifle me down.

Wilson what did that produce that produced people more likely to say what's on their mind rather than not, which is normal before is to lie to everybody and then to try to figure out people's motives.

Now I understand that when it matters, quote UN quote, some people choose to lie.

Not everybody, but some people.

And of course people choose to hide some parts of the truth for various good or bad reasons too.

But I think in this world that we inhabit currently, for the most part, without even thinking about it, most people do tell the truth in order to have a world that operates.

Wheels are able to turn, traffic can continue to flow.

Commerce.

What's the greatest equalizer is, is voting with your feet and participating in the economy.

When you like something, you buy it.

You're not forced to buy certain products.

You have a choice, so you're honest with your dollar too.

Some people don't have a choice, I understand that.

But by and large, people will vote for the if they had a choice, they would buy something differently.

I'm going to let you hold on to that.

That sounds I'm.

Going to let you finish I'll.

Let you finish.

We don't have time.

To go in all the way to go.

Into all the reasons that you're wrong.

Why did I bring that up?

OK, because of the Zosia thing and the stories and stuff like that, right?

I think a lot of people are conditioned to accept even Carol.

She feels like in some way she has to operate in a world where she can have a grip on reality.

They can't be lying all the time.

Carol's under the impression that they can't lie at all.

Right.

If she takes them at their word and she sees the evidence of it's like trust but verify.

That's Carol right now.

Let's see how far we can take it.

Let's get in their face.

Let's not get in their face.

Let's lie to them.

Let's not lie to them.

She's digging around what she can say to them and determining.

Like her book, she's piercing together the legal pads to see all the ways in which the story fits together.

I wish we can go into this more about lying and how I'm right.

Ultimately.

I can go into example after example after example.

It feels like people lie all the time, but the more you think about your day-to-day routine and how everybody has to be telling more or less the baseline level of truth in order to survive in this world of comfort that we all agree is great rather than the other way.

Otherwise it'd be chaos.

People lie every day.

I lied today.

I lied to a tech support.

You're missing my point though.

I'm not saying people don't lie and degree to which people lie when it counts.

I'm not saying people don't lie when.

It wait, I lied about uninstalling an app.

Right.

But when I.

Didn't install it.

But yeah, but what did you tell the truth about?

You do have a problem, right?

I have an issue and I trouble troubleshooted some things and it still wasn't working.

See that?

Part you lied about, but everything else Did you say your name?

Well, I had to, otherwise they wouldn't talk to me.

Did you have to?

Yes.

See, you're not thinking about it.

You could have made something up.

No.

They asked me for my e-mail that's associated with the account.

Did you give it?

Did you?

I had to or they wouldn't talk to me.

I don't know about that.

Before I could even open the chat, I had to enter my e-mail.

OK.

Fine, so they made you tell the truth.

I see.

You could have probably gotten away with not giving.

You could have given somebody else's e-mail.

I could have, but I wanted an answer, I wanted a response.

So if I want an answer I have to give.

They have to know how to reach me.

But.

Then you could have said, hey to Sharon D, expect an e-mail from this tech supporter because I don't want to give my e-mail address.

I'm going to use yours.

OK, OK, cool.

Why?

You have your reasons again, there are so many reasons why there are so many reasons why one does what one does and to operate in the world.

That I will agree with.

For the old, for a majority of your day, you see, you're taking for granted all the little ways in which you tell the truth, is all I'm saying.

Well, no, I'm not saying that every single thing that comes out of somebody's face is a lie.

I'm just saying, I'm not saying that.

I'm just saying, everybody.

Eyes, I'm not saying that everybody doesn't lie either.

I'm just saying when you break down your day-to-day interactions between people, be they random or familiar, for the most part, you're telling the truth an overwhelming amount of times more than you are telling lies.

And it's the truth as you know it predominantly, which makes you even a better person.

By the way.

You're like, oh, the truth is, I know it.

Of course this is right.

Speaking for myself, yes.

I think for most people, you, you wouldn't be able to live in the world without just a minimum of social contracts.

And I think people don't lie.

People lie to themselves all the time, OK?

Then I misunderstood the the point of your.

Rant.

The two things can be true conversation.

Well, you're saying that like most people want to tell the truth, sure about stuff they have to tell the truth about.

I mean, there's certain things you just can't lie about.

That's why I said exactly that.

So when it matters most people don't tell the truth, or at least matters when it's critical or when it's crucial for them to tell the truth in moments where.

Sure.

Like, are you allergic to penicillin?

Yeah.

You're gonna tell the truth about that.

See.

You know, you don't have to know my business, but then see.

But if you're allergic to it and like, give it to you, you're gonna die.

So I'm.

Glad we went.

We need to, I'm just saying.

I I I'm not.

I feel like this.

This is I.

Was lying right there.

No, no, I am glad because you, you saw what I meant at the end of it, because in effect, you don't understand that in the before times, even at your own expense, some people would lie because you don't have to know my business.

A lot of people still do.

Not to that extent, is what I'm saying, because it sounds ridiculous to lie about something that would help you, right Manusos?

So where am I getting an e-mail from?

You're not.

I want to talk about the moment that she actually kisses Carol because this to me seems very out of character for the hive mind to do something so impulsive without her permission.

Is it out of character?

I would say yes because earlier she keeps asking Carol, can I sit down?

Can we join you?

Can we do that?

I mean she's literally asking her permission for everything.

Enthusiastic consent.

And then out of nowhere, she just kisses are of all the things she asked permission for, this should have been at the top of the list.

You kind of need consent for that kind of stuff.

A lot of people will say, Oh well that's how they turn people because remember the doctor tried to kiss her in the.

First, oh.

Yeah, they know she can't be turned so right.

She's been very specific about like, you will not touch me without my consent.

So my feeling is that might have been a slip.

A slip on whose part?

Scotia.

On the hive minds.

Yeah, the hive mind.

The hive mind or so.

Right, that's what I'm.

That's what I'm saying.

See, I wanted to go there after I said what I.

See that for that one second?

So who's changing whom?

Her.

Personal desire and want one out over the hive mind just for that instant.

OK.

Thank you, I don't feel that way.

I'm gonna pull a David Fell.

No, no, no.

Didn't you fell into racial trap?

Not my trap.

My trap was.

The because when they were having the conversation earlier and I said to me it looked like she had this separation from the hive.

And I think we saw it again in her kissing Carol.

I think that was, like you just said, an impulsive move, which we kind of know the hive mind doesn't do.

They're very rational.

They do everything.

So much because then you're it's we're trading conversion right now.

You're assimilating me and I was trying to assimilate you in a different direction.

And now I'm starting to think, oh wait, you might be right.

The The hive mind is held together by our personal electrical impulses.

So electromagnetic?

Yeah, when?

You have a surge of emotion.

Does that affect your electromagnetic field?

So for that instant, that emotion overran the connection in the field.

Let's play the tape on that, because then is it localized like a blast radius sort of situation?

Because the hive mind clearly feels it all at once.

Who's to say for that instant the whole hive mind didn't glitch out?

If it's just for that couple of seconds we wouldn't have seen it anyway.

So what if just that instant it was enough to over?

But maybe it is just a localized thing.

Maybe it's because Zotia is the object of her.

So look, they get affected if you're angry and is directed at them.

But what if emotion is directed out of her?

Out of Zotia, you know what you're saying?

So we've seen Carol's negative emotions affect the Hive.

Could a different emotion affect them the same way?

Her affection the.

People that survived, were any of their hive mind people's spouses or was it like sisters and daughters and cousins and.

Lakshmi's husband.

Wasn't it Lakshmi's dead Her.

Mom, her husband and her son.

OK, OK.

OK.

Fine, great observation because I was thinking if you see in the top right corner of her factoid board about the hive, anger equals danger.

OK, fine.

So then what is love?

What is affection?

What does that do?

It would be interesting to bury the cure in the one thing Carol might not be capable of doing had it just occurred to her to employ it.

It's kind of like what we said about Carol here and there, sprinkled in the early episodes.

If she just thought to ask them questions because they can't listen to us, we trust that they can't lie.

For some reason, we as the audience suspend a lot more belief than Carol is going to.

So when they say they can't lie or when they exhibit that they can't lie, we're like, oh, yeah, we're on board for the most part, but automatically.

And then we do the thing, right.

We talked about it earlier and wait, maybe I shouldn't be.

Maybe we should take that back.

But in our minds, we've already bought in, yeah.

It's a show, so we're meant.

To enjoy the show because we want to enjoy it.

Exactly.

Otherwise, why bother?

Put something in it.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, if you're gonna lie to us the whole time, then that's not entertainment.

That's.

Right from right, yeah.

If we're talking about love being the cure, I would argue wouldn't Lakshmi's husband and her son have been cured?

See, that's where it gets a little hairy, doesn't it?

Because she's lying to herself.

Well, I guess it would depend on how much emotion you put out there too.

What is Lakshmi up to after 60 days too?

It's one thing if you're pretending for a little while, but is it going to get to her after 60 days?

You really have to think.

You also have to think that if, let's say, her husband and her son are cured, would she even bother to tell Carol?

F that be F that letter.

B.

That means she would have to pick up the phone and be like, you were right.

And also, she'd have to see your hive mind too, right?

Because the hive mind gonna enjoy part of them being disconnected, right?

Or she would just go to Carol and be like, see, I told you my son was still my son.

You were wrong.

The power of my love broke Robbie free likes whatever be There is a huge difference between Carol and the rest of the survivors.

Very clearly the rest of the survivor is acknowledged at the world end and now they're just, you know, the the scenario where he stranded on an island.

What's the one thing you would take with you?

Oh, I get to have my husband.

Oh, I'll be fine, but it's not your husband and you're not fine.

But you make the best out of a bad situation.

Like Charity had said, you adapt, you figure it out.

And that's what they're trying to do.

They're just trying to live out their lives in comfort and peace for the rest of their days.

Amen.

But Carol wants more for herself.

It could be a good reason.

It could be a bad reason.

She maybe she feels like the world owes her something.

Maybe she doesn't.

Maybe she just wants to live authentically.

I don't know.

And she that's why she's so hard on herself.

It's not enough that people like the thing that I'm making.

I have to like what I'm making.

But I've given up on that part of it, of me expecting more for myself.

Maybe the best of what is what I can offer P other people and make money for my wife who is now dead.

Let me read what exactly what I wrote though and see if it resonates with you.

I realize this after she says this.

I like you, you people, you you whatever.

There's lots of things that they like about you.

But this, this is a train wreck.

It's unsustainable, it's mental illness, it's psychosis.

You are starving and you can't even pick a goddamn apple apple off a tree.

Someone has to put the world right.

Even if it means This is why I started tearing up.

Even if it means you all leave me again.

Even if it means that I'm and then the kiss, but in between that and then the kiss.

At this point, she not only wants to set the world right because it's what she ought to do.

The premise of the alien invasion.

No, we want her to do the thing.

So do the thing.

Carol at everything's expense at being wrong every turn.

It's because she has feelings for the hive mind that she wants to set the world right.

She sees I'm starting to care about you and you dying.

The prospect of you having an expiration date scares me.

Because I like you.

Hive mind.

At least part of her, right?

She's willing to accept that if this is the way things are.

Well, then, Oh, wait.

I'm sad that you're going to go away.

I genuinely want to save you.

OK, wait.

Whereas the other survivors are busy pretending things never changed, they're just moving on.

They talk about how they can save the world, but they're pretty settled in the fact that they can't do anything about it.

And all they're doing at this point, like Kumba, they're ingratiating themselves.

Even Lakshmi is ingratiating herself.

Oh, can you tell what was once Ravi and what was once my husband and what was once my mother?

To be those things forever?

Is that what the hive mind wants?

It's it's the hive mind.

It's not Ravi and your kid.

It's not, it's not that.

Oh, but be those things just for me.

What?

Whereas Carol genuinely wants something for the hive mind.

She wants them to live.

She wants it to live because she likes it and it hurts her to know that it's going to die.

So Carol is authentic.

That's what I wrote.

She wants to save the world because it's how we make sense of ourselves.

Menuso's does it out of principle, purely for whatever his reasons are, which I hope we get to figure out.

I didn't get that feeling so much as she doesn't want Zocia herself even though she doesn't know Zocia.

Fair, fair.

She likes the hive mind because she knows the hive mind mainly through Zocia, so she likes Zocia.

By saving the world, she gets authentic Zocia.

A chance at it.

I think right now she feels like whenever she wants authentic Zocia, she has to ask for it.

They don't just automatically let Zocia's thoughts come out.

She has to say, What did Zocia want?

What was Zocia's favorite food?

I think she gets a lot out of that when she finally confronts her about what she just did with the diner.

You can't handle an effing pronoun hive mind.

Whatever.

You can't do a simple thing, a simple request.

Just say I you are technically and I even though you're a wee.

Why is that so hard to handle?

It's right after figuring out oh part of you is what I knew as Brie.

And she had hopes and dreams, too.

Also, it was such a huge gesture to like, rebuild this whole diner and repopulate the diner.

Helen sent her a flippant little body massager and that was her idea of a surprise.

It doesn't have to be huge.

You saying they went too far?

Yeah.

Do you think that if Helen could give this to Carol when she was alive, wouldn't she?

Because sometimes I think, oh, the high find is just Helen.

It's not so much a question of whether or not Helen would do it.

Helen would do anything to make Carol happy.

But would Carol appreciate it in the same manner?

Would she feel the same way?

Why did you waste all those resources and drag this poor lady from Florida all the way back out here just to do something like this for me?

I don't feel like Carol's reaction would be any different.

It was too much.

You didn't need to do all that to impress me with something.

That's actually a great question because if it was Helen, and if she knew for a fact, oh, Helen is controlling all these people, Helen can't help it, so as long as she can't help it, let's do it.

I think if that's how she saw the hive mind, it's just Helen.

I think she'd be OK with it.

It's Helen, I love her.

She can't do any anything wrong.

But I don't feel that way because I feel like she would still feel the same way.

Why are you wasting all this time and money and effort to do something ridiculous and, and, and interrupting this woman's life to come back and.

Well, she can't help that part.

You may be right in that that's Carol's job is to tell Helen, hey, stop, don't do this.

It's not right.

They're both individuals.

So 1 is like, hey, let me this here's this big gesture because I can do it.

And she's like, no, no, no, Carol.

Carol's like, no, no, no, I'll focus on living right.

So he goes to the argument of you can't pick an apple, you idiot Carol.

Doesn't need a recreation of a diner, but she definitely could use the body massager.

Carol's kind of practical there.

Oh, that's funny.

Here we are.

They're getting massages together.

Actual massages, not just you.

Take care of it yourself when you have a chance.

Isn't that interesting?

I didn't think about that because what did Carol actually need?

Carol actually needed somebody to tell her to stop and get an actual massage.

Carol needed something, and she got that too.

Listen again.

She got her cake, and she needed too.

She needed.

She also knows that the validation that she'll get from the hive mind about her writing is genuine.

Because they're not going to lie to her, but they're also going to tell.

Her super invested.

What's the win win?

She knows how Helen felt, but now she knows that she'll hear from the Super fans.

So it's just to make her feel a little more validated because they can't lie, so they have to tell her if they really like it.

Not to be the you it's like, but what if back massager that Helen got her and the way Helen actually thought of her writing What if all that was the lie the Carol would be attracted to the hive mind?

The thought entered my mind as you were talking about this.

What if they're trash talking Helen and they're trying to build themselves up using Helen's memory so that she would be attracted to them?

It sucks, but Helen's dead.

I feel like Carol already knew that Helen didn't really like her writing and that was just a way for her.

I agree with you.

To verify it, I think Bitter Chrysalis really hurt her.

She expected that on my Caro, but when she said that she didn't even finish Bitter Chrysalis.

I think that was what really hurt her.

Right, right.

Even for the Wicaro book, if you look at the board for that, and I have a screenshot of it, if you look on the bottom left, get feedback from Helen for the latest book and that was not checked off.

It's just so interesting because they've been together for so long and you can mythologize as an audience member of their relationship.

And obviously, look, it worked.

It's fine.

It's interesting to think that the hive mind could be the most perfect thing for her.

Is that weird to say out loud?

I think most people can get away with living the rest of their days with multiple people.

I don't believe in the one.

I think, you know, you choose somebody and that's who you settle down with.

That's the point of the words settling down.

But I think that could be more than one person in your lifetime.

Doesn't have to be the one and only be alone forever.

And if that's the case, Carol could have a maybe even more fulfilling life than she had with Helen, which was very long if we're to believe that they got together in 97 to 25 more years with the hive mind.

She mentioned on her board the big antenna.

Maybe that's why they didn't have mattresses, because all of the springs for the mattresses are being used to build the great big antenna.

All the world's copper and steel are building this this huge antenna on the far side of the planet.

Not only the antenna, but the energy too.

What did they call it?

The other planet.

Kepler 22B is the planet.

Kepler 22B.

She calls them Keplons.

Question mark if they're called keplons like humans.

Ocean planet.

So now they're.

Just like flat out talking about aliens.

Let's touch on this cuz entry will be like why didn't you talk about the aliens guys?

No, cuz we like the human drama people.

Aliens are boring.

Isn't that weird to say aliens are boring?

If they were zombies, we'd be all up in it.

No.

Weren't we all about the people more?

And then we were like, oh, that was cool, that was cool.

We blew a hand away.

That's great.

But then we'd be back to the human drama.

We did talk about zombies having sex drives instead of food drives.

Disgusting.

Oh, I remember that episode.

Our worst conversation.

It lives here rent free that that episode.

That nightmare is relived over and over again every time we bring it up.

So, aliens, this is the thing that made me suss about the hive mind loving Carol and I.

If I was Carol, I'd feel this way too.

But you say you love my writing and you love me and you go out of your way to impress me.

But then you say you love something that you didn't know existed.

You don't know if they exist.

All you know is that the signal came from Kepler 22 B.

That's all you know.

The water planet, basically.

You don't know anything else.

But you say you love them and you are great.

You could be grateful.

Be grateful.

Listen made it so that you have this forever hug with your nodes.

We're all going to have a little sleepover.

It's all me.

We're all going to eat breakfast together.

It's all me.

We're all going to hug each other.

It's all me.

It's the hive mind.

What a forever hug.

But to say you love something that you don't even know anything about?

I got SUS right then.

I immediately thought, well now you're saying you love my writing means nothing I.

Think that's, I mean, I didn't think that's kind of what I was thinking.

I just don't want to be that obvious.

Yeah, when you just throw that out there on everything, it's like, OK, well, that sort of diminishes how I felt about what you said about my writing now, OK.

I'm going to counterpoint myself.

Ready.

Maybe it's not romantic love, inasmuch as that is your parent.

If that's where I came from, then I have reverence and love for that parent.

That thing that bursts this me that I am now, I can get behind that kind of love.

If not for that thank you for giving me life.

That sort of gratitude and love, that makes sense to me.

I guess, but I don't know.

Love is a strong word.

I could say.

I'm grateful.

I have gratitude for what they did.

I appreciate.

Everything Love your mom.

I know my mom, so that's different.

You're asking a different question.

This hive mind seems like the kind of being that's like.

I'm not going to harp on the negative because that makes me feel sad and also makes me glitch.

Well no way you'd still be focusing on the posit.

I'm just.

I'm just saying the word love means different things to different people and how we use it.

This is all based on what that word means to you.

When?

The hive thinks it's it's a gift what they are is it brought us all together in world showers and whatnot.

Sure.

And they'd be thinking it's for them.

It's, it's amazing.

It's wonderful, it's euphoric.

I'm grateful.

Sure, all of that.

But this individual I couldn't go so far as to say.

I.

Love.

So my reaction to that scene when she said that was, Oh, well, OK, That kind of takes away from her loving Carol's writing.

Oh, I see you're putting yourself in Carol's shoes.

But then it's like if Carol thought about it for an ounce like we are right now, we're like, oh, wait, I I'm not them.

So it's hard for me to, because I'm a cynical person who's going to push back on you every step of the way, and I'm not going to trust everything you do, even though you've given me no reason to think otherwise.

That's her job.

Carol's job is to be like us right now.

Saying you say that about my writing, though, so maybe you're wrong.

But the hives job is to tell you no, but you don't understand.

We feel this is a gift.

It outweighs anything that you or criticism you might have.

It's probably the best gift you can give anybody.

So technically, yeah, that's how great your writing is, is how big this gift was.

See.

See, Rachel.

See, I did think that went through.

Actually, there is one more thing.

Famous last words.

They're playing spit.

And the first thing you see is hive.

Zosha take satisfaction in beating Carol, which is not something you would expect.

This is Zosha Hives Osha's charm offensive.

Just trying to get Carol to like her so he doesn't trust Nice.

You have to be a little mean.

OK, so go to the croquet game and there's this stank guy.

She's like, maybe you just suck.

And there's the you suck Carol on the Billboard.

That was nice.

I liked it.

It was.

Very.

Endearing.

Very charming.

I like the detail that they chose a place with astroturf because anywhere else the grass would be too tall for them to play croquet.

Run over right with all the buffaloes or Buffalo or Buffalo ES.

So OK, rewind the table little bit though, because I love how in this show they actually say the truth out loud but very sub subtly.

Just because you have the world's famous best croquet players, it doesn't mean that your body will produce the requisite motion.

Carol says muscle memory, quote UN quote to do the thing.

OK, stop there.

Where does muscle memory reside?

That concept?

Does anybody know your brain?

Where in the brain?

Think about it again.

This is this show had many answers.

That's your lizard brain.

That's the medulla oblongata.

Remember Waterboy?

Medulla.

Orbison on my butt.

Whatever, there's some SO.

No, just medulla oblongata oblongata, Colonel Sanders.

Anyway, if you read a book called On Intelligence, I was enamored with with this book.

The whole reason behind this book was to figure out if we were to create a mechanical thing that had our intelligence, we have to understand what intelligence is, where it resides, and they theorized that intelligence resides in the neocortex, the small thin wafer of tissue that controls concatenation, muscle memory, a hierarchy labeling system that allows us to get to answers quicker because we have reference points.

The book is written by Jeff Hawkins.

He is a prominent figure in the field of neuroscience and artificial intelligence.

In his book on intelligence, he proposes that the brain learns a model of the world to predict future events, which is fundamental to understanding intelligence.

Hawkins argues that human cognition is based on remembering sequences of events and their relationships, which can inform the development of intelligent machines.

He emphasizes that traditional computing methods are insufficient for creating 2 intelligence, advocating for a new understanding of how the brain works.

His theories aim to revolutionize both neuroscience and AI, suggesting that a deeper understanding of intelligence can lead to more advanced artificial systems.

Why do I say this?

Because earlier they were saying how the psychic glue works, electromagnetic waves in the body.

But if they are altering the neocortex in each one of the nodes, they have to alter it in order to induce the muscle memory required to perform the actual actions.

So the girl from TGI Friday's that's able to fly the plane like it's second nature to it's her, they, we, us, whatever that means that their, her brain and was fundamentally altered to be able to do that second nature.

That changes things a little bit because maybe whatever tasks they performed in the interim, and maybe that explains a little bit by the way, why they seized so quickly when they were taking over to their neocortex was being altered with the muscle memory of everybody so that you can do all the things.

That's interesting to me because if they go back, they go back with innate talents that maybe they didn't have before.

Not memories and thoughts, but talents.

My backhand's great.

Also.

I can play croquet.

Also, I play spit very well.

For some reason my hands just do the thing.

Sure, they could probably pick up any instrument and play it too.

Do backflips just because the gymnast that they meshed with see that?

You see what I'm saying?

That, I might argue, only because there's physical limitations when it comes to that kind of stuff.

Yeah.

True.

I mean, you would have, you would have the knowledge of how to do it, but whether you could physically do it might be in question.

Hitting a croquet ball, Anybody can.

Well, unless you're missing an arm, unless you have a prosthetic.

But like I'm just saying, well, you could just do the one arm anyway.

I'm begging myself.

Into no, no, no.

But you say that actually.

You got to have like the the physical ability to do these things as well.

Right.

And to be able to adjust what you feel as muscle memory in your brain with your body.

You know why you wouldn't be able to do those things?

Because you slept on the floor and your body hurts.

Enough about the sleeping on the floor.

Just because you have the knowledge of a contortionist doesn't mean you could be a contortionist.

Right, because it's all about the elasticity of your ligaments.

It also continues to explain why there would be more accidents too.

Is the brain body mismatch.

You have all the muscle memory of all everything, but there may be a disconnect between the brain and the body as it were with that particular node.

That's so fascinating to me.

So this so the guy to impale themselves.

Yes, I was just, I was just going to say when they're getting their massage, Zoja stops and goes, oh, somebody just impaled themselves on a thing.

But it's or he it's they the formerly person.

What was it in Bulgaria is OK right?

But his muscle memory, he twisted in mid air.

I immediately thought of Randall from.

From The Walking.

Dead when he landed on the big spike when?

He was on the gate, yeah.

I thought of Pennywise.

I thought.

I thought of Rick impaling himself with the.

Rebar again and again on the it's OK, Rick's OK.

He didn't.

He's like, he's going to survive this one.

Yeah, but is he OK mentally?

Yeah.

Is he OK?

Well, we're the ones who live.

Why do you keep saying that, Rick?

Sorry, we could do anything right, Sharon.

He.

Really doesn't die.

It's like Morgan.

Another moment where I got emotional.

Is she having this secret to herself?

Unbeknownst to her, she never talked about it.

This idea of a train whistle from far away is the loneliest sound.

And then they do it because so she's trying to.

It's the charm offense of everybody.

Charm offense.

Yeah, we all saw this coming.

And we saw her face and again, face acting.

If you really paid attention, every time Zosha was conjuring up actual Zosha's memories, you see Carol's face.

There's like a finally in her face.

Finally I'm getting something deeper and genuine and actual and authentic.

It's not as though the hive mind is an authentic, but it's a lot having everything and everybody in your head.

She's actually charmed by the thing she's saying.

So when you go back to the train whistle thing and she actually does it all, her face lights up.

It's like you skies with your you can do anything for me that you want.

You did this.

See, that is an acceptable level of doing something.

They didn't have to set up the train and everything specifically for as she was going by that was acceptable as a hey this is the thing I did for you rather than recreating an entire diner and dragging a lady back from Florida.

But then even catching small things like Carol big spooning socia in the auditorium.

Sort of.

It was a little hand on her.

It was weird.

Is it though because she's just happy she's among people?

No, no, no, sorry.

Let me rephrase.

The physical touch wasn't weird.

It was weird that there was like that huge space between them.

And then she had her arm extended.

My elbow hurts looking at her with her arm extended like that.

I think her.

Forearm was resting on her shoulder.

Wasn't it just her hand and wrist?

It was just.

It looked very awkward.

Her hand was on her shoulder, but then her arm was floating in the space between them.

And I just, I thought, oh, that hurts my elbow.

They have body heat boundaries.

Some people you know.

That was the gap.

Maybe.

Yeah, that was the gap.

That's the wrong episode, everybody.

Oh, where's the?

It made my.

Elbow hurt.

I did love that overhead shot though.

Everybody else was laying on their sides in the fetal position and Carol was laying on her back.

She was on her side.

She rolled over kind of onto her back when they did the overhead shot.

Yeah, I like the guy next to her that was snoring.

There has to be 1, otherwise it's not real.

Absolutely, because that's science.

There's people with deviated septums or weird sinuses.

Snoring would still happen.

You don't get rid of that because you share a mind with the world.

And yet, for the most part, right, We talked about muscle memory and unconscious things.

You can do it to a point, right?

Like you said, there's limitations, physical limitations to having muscle memory, Sure.

Brain.

Body.

Snoring.

I was just surprised.

Quiet, quiet.

It was, Despite that slight snore, right?

Think, if you think about it, I would have expected a little bit more sleep.

Sleep apnea.

Anyway, I like the transition too, because the last thing she said was no, I'm gonna go home, and then it cuts to her sleeping next to Zocia.

Said that about breakfast too.

So it's always like to take care of myself like.

But no, I don't want to.

I love that Zocia said that Bear Jordan was a very good boy.

Even the hive mind, agrees Dave on Dogs I.

Disagree.

That's a hive mind.

I have independence, human supremacy forever.

I'm back on the medusal strain.

If you join the hive mind, you, you'll love animals.

Yeah, OK.

Well.

Listen, if I resign my will, that is like be like you, that is like the.

Sole reason he would be against it, he'd be like, no, I can't deal with liking animals.

Meet forever the dogs living together.

I thought it was cute.

Of course I thought it was cute.

Come on.

One dumb thing.

One, I played spit a lot as a kid.

I don't know if you guys have either.

No.

I've never heard of that game, unless it's like a game I played by a different name.

Yeah, we played War and Slap Jack.

Yeah.

It does have a.

Number of.

Spades.

Well, so we played a lot of spit, but we also played a game called Bloody Knuckles too, which you might know.

Yeah, we did.

Bloody knuckles.

It's similar if you win you get to slap the cards on people's knuckles.

It's all about extraction games when you trying to get rid of all your cards.

Bloody Knuckles Hairs wasn't a card game.

Sorry, I don't know what to tell you.

We should talk about this one day.

Are you OK?

Yeah.

Bloody knuckles was the way I lived my life until I was 12 anyway.

I probably started at 12.

It was like a junior high thing.

You and a friend would stand face to face with your knuckles out and you would take turns hitting each other and the first one to pull their hands away and avoid getting hit Lost my.

God, that's like, do you remember that slap game?

Was it called?

Is it slap?

What was it called?

Were you hitting each other?

Yeah, it's like that, but with fists.

With fists, right?

Well, that one was more like a so your hand your your hands were palm up.

Their hands were palmed down.

The point was to pull your hands away.

Bloody knuckles was the was the opposite.

It's.

A game of fist chicken.

Yeah, it was a game of will.

You had to take your beating.

In the mean streets of of.

Essexville.

Essexville, Michigan.

Yeah.

I don't think there's anything left, to be honest with you.

Oh, OK, whatever.

Regretted not saying this.

The radio station is a Chekhov's gun.

Chekhov's radio station.

Why?

When I thought about this, like, OK, listen, if Carol and Manusos are meeting in the next episode, and if you do look at the key art for the next episode, they're in the same thumbnail.

What does Manusos have that Carol needs?

If that's what Carol wants to do, the.

Radio.

Radio what?

The frequencies.

The Book of Frequencies.

And if there's a radio station and they tie the two together, it could be a way of breaking them out if it is the signal to break them out of the hive.

And it would be localized as a local radio station.

It's not syndicated.

Wouldn't that be interesting to see if Menuso's frequency tied with the radio station creates this?

Or create, or maybe something else entirely?

What was the radio station number?

Jazz KHNM 92.4.

I meant menusos.

Oh, that was 8.61, 3.0 I think it was.

I'm just saying in the restaurant industry, 86 means you're out of something.

13 A very unlucky number.

86 The high of mind.

86 the 13 OK, well, why didn't we go there, actually?

The 13 survivors.

There we go, the number.

8613.

Dun Dun.

Dun, I don't like this actually a little bit.

What if we just blew the whole show open right there?

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One thing I did know is that Carol and Menusos in this episode.

Couldn't be more different at this point.

Uh huh.

Whereas at first we're like, oh, they're this one's gonna see the other as a hero.

Are they already greenlit first season 2?

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We'll see you in the next one.

Being the final one of the season, I'm super jazzed.

Every single episode seems to be better than the last.

And I was so excited to get on to talk about this episode, how emotional it made me in various places.

It really did.

It really did.

I found myself tearing up in several spots.

I'm sure.

And I'm sure I feared this moment of Rachel's laughter this entire time.

So with that, everybody, with that humiliation, I'm going to go get some bloody knuckles now to drive these emotions out of me.

Bye everybody, no more emotions.

Emotions bad.

Bye.

I just want to point out that we in fact did not say our names again at the end of this episode, so we don't do it every time, David.

A.

Literally statistically speaking, the amount of times we do not is statistically insignificant.

Sure, sure.

But it's not.

Every time.

But it's not every time.

But it's not.

So you know what?

I will concede that if you can see that most people tell the truth, the majority of.

Most people tell the truth, but everyone lies.

How about that?

Yeah, everyone lies, but most people tell the truth most of the time.

Even House said that, by the way.

People can't help themselves from telling the truth.

Most people tell the truth most of the time.

Most.

But I feel like the house also said everybody lies.

Yes, how about that one does.

Two things can be true.

Yes, yes they can.

OK, bye everywhere, let's get out of here.

OK, bye.

Enjoy your weekends, have a happy, wonderful holiday, family, whatever you've got.

Celebration.

Thank you so very much for making it to the end of yet another episode of Squawking Dead, this one discussing the penultimate episode of Pluribus.

'S first season titled Charm Offensive.

Yeah, I really hope you're excited as we are to discuss the season 1 finale.

I know this is coming out just after its release release, but hang in there, hang tight, you know the drill.

We have been talking about this for at least a week, how difficult our recording schedule and publishing schedule has been due to the fact that we had three episodes to record last week.

In fact, technically it was 4 because we recorded this one within the week in which we recorded the 7th episode of Pluribus.

So technically there's 4 episodes in the week.

So we're just catching up.

We're getting everything in order.

And in that spirit, I want to quickly move on to our reporters who receive a shout out at the end of every episode.

It's a little perk they receive because of their love for this podcast and putting their money where their mouth is.

Starting with the Whisperers because we have no survivors.

We have Rob, Luke Casey, who I only recently discovered is watching Pluribus along with him showing up for our coverage of it.

Welcome to Dairy and also Fallout Season 2.

It's a little perk that he also receives because he is in the Whisperers tear and the Whisperers can join us just like you could if you sign up to become a whisperer in our episode breakdowns.

You can find rob on Tiktok at rob stuff under score N as in Nancy under score thangs THANGS and of course, Kim Rowley.

That's at Kim dot Rowley, the number one on Facebook.

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