What have you done with him?

Oh, I hate him.

Oh, but he's still losing side of me.

Yes, he does.

Why?

I I could feel it right now.

Yes.

We are squawking dead, a podcast pulverizing programs beyond The Walking Dead universe.

Sometimes we give you news.

Sometimes we make you laugh.

Most times we go deep.

I'm your host, David Cameon.

I'm joined by.

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Today, we're here to talk to you about it.

Welcome to Dairy's 7th episode of its inaugural season, titled The Black Spot.

Are we all in agreement that this episode was your favorite?

Let's start there.

Is Is it your favorite episode?

No.

No, it is for me.

Why not?

Yeah, Rob.

It is for me because of the emotional impact it had on me, not not because of what happened, but because of the storytelling elements and what it made me feel and stuff like that.

Is it the difference between men and women?

Yeah, I guess so.

Maybe I like to feel something, even if it's horrible.

Yeah, same.

It made me cry and that made me want to punch it in the crotch.

Yeah, none.

I appreciate it.

Hey, Rachel, Somewhat the same way, isn't it?

Why'd you make me cry?

I.

Didn't cry, I didn't cry.

Who does that?

She cried.

She cried twice.

Trying to detect any imperfections in her act?

Don't.

Get me wrong, I was upset, but I was also like, this was a really great episode.

It was a lot.

I turned into Leroy.

I'll admit at one point after a while, witnessing so much death and destruction, my emotions just kind of shut down.

Yeah, watching this episode twice was like wearing a weighted blanket.

Because the second time you're like, OK, I'm going to have to actually look and watch and get notes on the thing.

And.

And Jason says it got me in the fields, too.

Oh, yeah.

Jason, the crowd.

Hello, Jason.

And not even for the most obvious reason, like there was a lot of feeling and emotion throughout this episode, not just the big horrible thing or little horrible thing.

No.

I say that this is one of my favorite episodes because of something you love, Rachel, which is so many cool answers and so many cool payouts.

Origin stories revealed whole questions that we asked in the literally the last episode that were answered in this episode.

I'm not trying to play favorites with this show and from, but man was it never more apparent.

Right.

It's like it was mocking from, it was like, hey, from get a little me.

It is, by the way, Musquietti.

That's why I just want to say that I actually wrote down how to pronounce it Musquietti.

That's what you were saying, right?

I spelled Moose and then key and then Yeti like the mythical creature.

Talking about Oh my.

Gosh, I think creators Barbara and Andy Musquietti Musquietti.

Rob, is there anything in particular that you enjoyed that made this your favorite episode?

Other than my gut reaction to just seeing Pennywise go ham like he does, I did really like the origin of like Bob Gray and stuff like that because a lot of people online were saying that Pennywise took possession of him.

And I'm glad that I've indicated that this not what happened.

He saw that the clown was attracting kids.

He was like, I'm going to use that and obviously killed him in the woods and Adam, as he told his daughter.

Is it obvious though?

I was surprised that there was no element of Bob Gray that was insidious.

Thank you clown community redeemed I.

Was surprised by that because one yeah clowns 2.

I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever.

Wait, OK, I.

Didn't know Dave, whatever bounces off me but OK sticks to you.

I don't.

Understand what people don't get about this.

Yeah.

But there just seems to be a general misunderstanding that Pennywise is It, and it's like no, It is an entity that exists outside of Pennywise and he chooses the form of Pennywise that's like his preferred form since he's a duct fighter.

Bob Gray.

In.

Yeah, in the 19 whatevers.

1908.

They built this whole ordinary story off of the moment in Part 2 where he is Bob Gray misses Kirsch's house where Beverly sees him, and he's scratching his face and making the makeup appear and the lines appear in blood and all that stuff.

So I like that they kind of built off of that little throwaway thing from Part 2, this whole back story.

Right, not retconning, basically, yeah.

I have the book, but I haven't read it.

Is Bob Gray a player in the book?

Not really, no.

OK.

Bob Gray is mentioned, but the name Bob Gray is in a couple different Stephen King books I guess.

Isn't dream catcher maybe, but it's like spelled differently.

Oh, it's GREY.

And then someone said they thought that maybe it was in Dark Tower too, but he's supposed to be like an alien or something.

Anyway, I think the name is mentioned in the book, but I don't even know that you're told that Bob Gray was Pennywise.

I don't think so.

Not that I remember, but yeah.

I just think it's a name that's mentioned, I don't think.

So really, it's the movies that fleshed Robert Gray out.

Correct.

Or expounded on at least.

Yeah, well, and now they're bringing it even more to life in this series, which, OK.

Well, since we're mentioning things that have been mentioned in Stephen King books, the only throwaway reference that I wanted to push out was the beginning of the episode where Clint Bauer says give us what we want and we'll go away.

Give me what I want and I'll go away.

Stephen King's Storm of the Century Legion, Andre Lenoge Legion says this to the townspeople.

Give us what we want to go away.

Wow, dummy Dave with with a reference.

Sorry, Dave.

And what are they if not Legion?

We are many, but we are.

One book or a movie?

That was the the miniseries.

Oh, OK.

Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen it.

No, Another miniseries.

Great miniseries, by the way.

Oh, my God.

You haven't seen it.

All right, All right.

Dave's feeling.

Look at.

I'm so proud of himself.

You have to understand my point of view.

I'm like, I gotta pull my weight, dummy.

Dave doesn't know anything really about the books, knows a little bit about the movies.

Watch the miniseries until the tape went dead, basically, but that's about it.

It's only because I've like read about it recently.

David.

I've like not read Stephen King books.

I've told you guys that.

I've read a few.

Like, a little, but not to the degree that that Stephen King fans have read his books.

I've read probably close to 20, maybe over 20.

Think I've read 2-3, Bag of Bones, Gerald's Game, Dreamcatcher.

Yeah, Gerald.

Gerald's Game.

Woof.

Mega Bones was a really good one.

Yeah, he's got over, I want to say like 70 something at this point.

Books.

I've read a lot of them.

I have even more on my shelf that I haven't read yet because every time I find one I just grab it and my parents would grab them for me too.

65 OK.

Close.

65 Now that does include the ones under Richard.

Bachman it does or does not.

It does.

Oh, OK, let.

Me show it is him so.

Five non fiction books that's also included.

He's also written more than 200 short stories.

So as we know they love to make into full blooded properties so.

Like Shawshank, I want to give the makeup department a huge, huge round of applause for making the gorgeous Bill Skarsgard into a hideous old man.

Did you say gorgeous?

All right, Cool, cool.

I'm.

Sorry, do you disagree?

I.

Don't disagree, Bill Scars.

He's no Alexander Scars, is it?

Beautiful.

I'm going.

To say, have you?

Understand how he's the same bloodline he's.

Fine, but you can pick between brothers.

You know what?

I.

Mean two.

Do I have to pick?

Bridget knows what I'm talking about, Aunt Wink, Wink.

No.

He's fine, He's adequate.

He's no dancing clown.

Yeah, I find him hotter in the makeup.

What?

Let's dial in a little bit on this, like on a serious level, on the differences between him playing Pennywise and the photo and the version we saw in the asylum and the version we saw in this episode.

They're very different.

Yeah.

So the photo, he looks so much more like a human being.

He looks sinister.

He does does look a bit sinister.

I think he just has a sinister face, but not.

On that, yeah, yeah, He's got like a heavy brow.

That's just his face.

But then in this episode I got to admit I expected 100% because of course I play up my clown support support group way up just to be like the antagonist.

I really do believe clowns bring should bring joy instead of associated with murder, but I don't really care that much to be.

I don't associate them with murder, I just think they're creepy.

Well, I'm just quoting Rachel from last week, but I will say I expected fully to see what Bridget said.

Oh, he's just a creepster that crapped on kids and meanwhile the kids were bullying his butt after his performance.

Why were they so physical?

I was I don't know who.

Raised these dairy.

It's dairy.

I wanted him to bop those kids right on the head, just start shoving them off the stage.

Turns out Bob Gray was a drunk but a decent dad.

Yeah, he's mourning the loss of his wife, right?

Which?

I do want to point that out in the flashback from I think it was episode 2 when he was a skeleton man, when we saw Periwinkle off to the side.

Was that his daughter or his wife?

He was his daughter for.

Sure.

Was it for sure?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's a still photo that you can look at that we post it too.

I can show.

It to you?

You mean episode 2 of this show?

Yes, correct.

OK, sorry.

I was like, did that happen?

In chapter 2, Wait wait.

My only reason why I had that thought was because it seemed like she hadn't been performing as Periwinkle yet, even up to this point where she showed herself to him.

No, but I'm like.

My periwinkle and.

Participate.

At the carnival, Yeah.

Because otherwise she's not gonna be able to make a living.

She's a child.

She did look very dejected too.

That's true.

That's very unclown.

Like, unless it was one of those sad clowns, which it didn't look like, it looked like a very happy clown.

Makeup, right, Which I thought was OK, was objectively OK.

Maybe it's not objective, subjectively cute.

How pleased she was of herself, how hard she worked to make her periwinkle costume, makeup and all that stuff.

It's still creepy, but sure.

She kept her her mom's name.

That was very, very sweet.

I still wasn't sure about Bob.

When we see him taking his makeup off, I mean, the fact that he didn't start tossing kids off the stage, I was like, oh, wow, OK, maybe he's not like a child killer because.

He's being pushed over to boot.

Right, right.

He.

Took his.

Thing I know, right?

And then we see him like taking the makeup off and I still wasn't like super convinced.

I was like, well, we're going to see some kids stumble in there and he's going to kill it.

I'm still waiting for that.

To your point, when IT showed him smoking and drinking just before the following evening, the same evening basically, I said that's there it is.

That's what it's going to happen here.

He's going to see the urchin, That's what the crew called him and all that's he's going to do something bad to that.

And then you saw the eyes and it was like, Nope, that's definitely Pennywise.

Yeah, the dead eyes.

I changed my mind about him after seeing the interaction with Ingrid.

OK, he's just a dad going through a hard time.

I mean the voice is super creepy.

Awesome job.

Plus the lower register, right?

It was like it was different than when.

Right.

It was like, yes, that was obviously more comical and theatrical.

Actual voice.

Well, no, I meant as as Pennywise, like it's supposed to be.

I think it was.

Pennywise improvising on the spot.

Yeah, right.

But Bob Gray still has that inflection.

How he talks all.

Week kind of gruff.

Yeah, one day you will be right.

You know, like that kind of crowd.

And I miss it.

And yeah, I guess.

You'd be more bigger than ever.

You could just see the sadness all over his face.

I could see why he was a silent.

Clown.

Yeah, like he's not a killer.

He's just sad.

You know, Bridget said.

She's going to lay down for a few just to kind of straighten out.

This is the situation in her Bella.

Literally straighten it out.

Yeah, so he was a decent guy getting bullied.

Yeah, his wife was Periwinkle.

Oh, and you actually also saw a portrait, albeit a caricature portrait, of Periwinkle in the background of his act because he included the loss of his wife in his act.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah, and so vaudevillian.

Too.

I was going to say so very of the time though, right?

Right, you included a sad thing.

Yeah, that dark humor was very prevalent in that time.

Awful things are happening.

You, you got got to laugh about it because it's too sad not to.

So they said something so interesting recently.

I think it was Adam Corolla.

I think the uptick in despair is connected to a couple of things.

I feel it's more physical than it is spiritual, although it ends up being spiritual.

We were meant to go out and work and be on our feet and sweat and be with nature and work on a farm and mend fences.

It involved engagement.

You had to sort of be careful or you'd lose your arm from an axe.

And we took in the last 10 minutes everyone and we put them in a cubicle and we fired air conditioning at them and we told them to do data entry on a computer.

And we started eating our own brains.

They have studies that say, you know all the kids on Prozac and all the meds and stuff.

Hiking and classical music work better than all the serotonin take inhibitors you can ingest.

You watch Little House on the Prairie.

No one was depressed.

Everyone was miserable, but no one was depressed.

It's a disease of narcissism.

We're spending too much time on our phones reading comments about ourselves.

We're not wired for this.

Everything's great, but everybody's depressed.

But back then we had all the reason of the world to be miserable, and we just got on with things.

Yeah, essentially going to your comment.

How are things great?

Who's?

Great.

Better than they were back then.

Okay.

The Great Depression.

Okay, Dust Bowl.

In comparison.

Okay, leaps and bounds better today.

Yeah, okay, World's hunger has gone down so many percentages, sure, from from the way it was originally just 100 years ago.

Yeah, objectively, but and yet we're all depressed.

Do we want to talk at all about the the little urchin?

So Jason Fuchs said in the episode or Insider TM Bridget, why the form of Pennywise?

And then obviously the urchin says.

Well, no, we know that part.

Yeah, right, right, right.

The children seem drawn to you.

Right, right.

But why the urchin too?

To attract other children.

Children are not afraid of other children.

Exactly.

Yeah, the additional layer of this, why even bothered even writing this down, was the fact that this urchin was innocuous.

He blends into the background.

He's just walking around.

You don't care.

You don't want to care.

Even if you're above the poverty line, you don't want to look at this while this urchin is off dragging other kids and adults into its lair and eating them alive.

Because now there's a whole town on top of Pennywise.

Basically, in the span of 27 years, a whole town cropped up.

I think it figured out that if I want people to stay in this town, I have to be choosy about who I kill.

There had to be some.

I'm out of a town there already, otherwise why would the carnival set up and invite people to come?

Yeah, think.

Oh no, I meant over the years, not just.

Oh yeah, OK.

Oh, OK, well, he must have been starving for a long time, right?

He's probably just eating animals.

Oh yeah, yeah, some reason why you can't.

You just figure out a different method of catching them because they're not as easily coerced as a human is.

I wonder if he could just turn into another animal.

Put on a mating display real quick.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Little Bambi scene where it nuzzles the nose and rare then it just bites its head.

Tail anyway.

But yeah, now he's got a whole town.

In the last episode, Ingrid makes a point to talk about that horrible day.

The way she said it, I thought she saw something, witnessed something horrible happened to her dad.

I thought it was going to be a lot more than just a bloody hanky.

It was just that he vanished, basically.

Yeah, he.

Was gone.

Well, to her it was horrible.

It was the only parent she had left.

Well.

Sure, I'm not downplaying that her.

Tragedy.

And in that moment, she's convinced that it's Wolves until he comes back.

Well, no, yeah.

I mean, she doesn't really know what did it.

And maybe in the back of her mind and this is what happened.

She says this in the episode Don't abandoned me because you have to think maybe in the back of her mind that it looked like blood.

But it could have been that clown makeup member.

He was drinking and smoking.

He wanted to wipe his mouth up.

And then just like, oh, coming off, you know, like, you know.

Yeah, it is Manly gruffly.

Yeah.

So what if he decided?

Oh, this is a good gig.

See, Robbie, it could be that that it is him.

No, I ate him and he's forever with me.

Maybe he's in Dead Lights or something.

Maybe I.

Mean, I think that's how Pennywise works in general.

He always kind of absorbs the memories of those he attacks if he can get into their head.

So he has all of that.

That's why he knew to ask Ingrid for the bow and stuff like.

That I wrote everything down.

Yeah.

In that conversation that Ingrid had with her, not Dad.

It was so compelling.

You're not my father.

You're shy of him.

What have you done with him?

Oh, I.

Hate him?

He laughs a little, but he's losing shine of me, you know, like that.

She goes.

No, yes she does.

Why I I could feel it right now.

Yes, stop.

He's reaching out for his baby girl.

I wasn't.

Just grossed out watching the episode a lot.

With the fingers.

Right.

Yeah.

Doesn't kill her.

Hits her with the dead lights.

It paralyzes her.

I was, I was stunned watching that.

I was like, yeah, wait, that is not what I was expecting.

Yeah, because you look pretty kind of pissed off a little too.

Oh, I'm a make a meal out of you.

I found a chink in your armor.

Ingrid, realize that I'm.

I'm not your daddy.

I was half worried.

But also, please kill her.

Because let's go back to the question I posed in the last episode.

We all agree that she orchestrated at least a lot of this.

She definitely orchestrated the mob knowing where he was at the the black spot, but she put them there.

I knew they would come here looking for him and there'd be a lot of blood and pain and fear.

That he was here and you would.

And you couldn't resist.

And you would tell me that I was good, OK?

So I felt for her a little in that moment.

Given the fact that we saw that first scene.

I hated myself for feeling that way too.

Why?

She is very pathetic.

It is very sad.

It was, but man, again, I am operating fully on my theory that she orchestra to even Lily's adds that in the Jarring Factory, I can't help not to because according to Andy Musquietti, he says both the inciting and the ending incident are auguries.

So OK, I will agree with you so far as to say maybe she had something to do with not Lily's dad specifically.

I don't think she set him up specifically because he left the building and then went back in because Lily forgot something he wasn't even supposed to be in there.

At the least, Ingrid could have messed up the machine somehow because.

When he went back in, he had to fix something if he hadn't have gone back in there.

She pushed him.

Somebody right, Somebody else would have done it and then they would have been the catalyst.

I don't think she was specifically trying to kill Lily's dad.

I think she was trying to kill.

Somebody.

Somebody's daddy.

But she didn't know Lily forgot something on purpose or you know what I mean.

There's just too many what ifs, not.

Only that she was sleeping with Hank and then ended up feeding him to the wolves in order to get Pennywise to come out.

I don't know if she ever intended for him to be accused of murdering children necessarily, but she was definitely going to cause an inciting incident with her husband and Hank that was going to cause some kind of violence once he found.

She knew her husband was a white supremacist, surely?

Sure, she had to have known.

That could have been her first idea to incite a riot and.

Then she.

Just.

But then all these other things fell into place and she went, well, this is much better.

Wholly disagree, but that's fine.

I stand alone being the crazy one with my crazy theories.

Well, you don't think that sleeping with Hank was a tactic?

Oh.

No, no, I that was my starting point.

But then I was like, wait, how?

Far.

Well, no.

Rob said that.

Rob just said that.

I will wipe that smile off your face.

I'll make you black and blue if you don't get home and wipe that makeup off your anyway.

Just kind of.

Stand.

I'm sorry, I know that line was horrible.

I mean horrible, but it made me laugh.

It shouldn't have, but the way the way he delivered it.

It was the way he delivered the full confidence because because you also know that something bad's about to happen to him.

So you're like, yes.

Yeah, famous last words.

Jump.

Yeah.

And then the way it happened.

I love that Pennywise just shows up with a giant cleaver.

There was no preface to that.

He's like, all right, that moment of him after he cuts, he cuts his head in half and then picks it up and eats it.

That's a Funko Pop spoiled.

That was one, but I didn't know who or what happened.

You just know that there's a Funko of him holding 1/2 of a head upside down eating it.

And I was like, that's a pretty cool scene.

I wonder when that's going to happen and then.

Right.

Well let me ask you another question because I had thought the spoilery thing was how he looked right at the end with him basically all red except for the half the face.

That was crazy.

I did not expect and like, you know, when he was in the pool of blood and just like sleeping and then he wakes up, I wasn't expecting him to still be covered in blood when he popped up again.

That was insane.

So cool, I I knew you'd love that they have to make a phone call pop for that I'm.

100% well.

That's got to be like a crazy collectible.

But let's go back to that scene because one of the best parts of that scene wasn't, I mean, obviously the oversized cleaver, by the way, Stan Kirsch being a butcher, There's all the things are great about that.

However, when you're taking notes, are you watching with headphones?

No, I'm watching on my TV.

Ladies and gentlemen, okay, if you're squeamish, don't.

But if you're not, please do because, and you may hear this on your speakers, it's fine.

When his head comes off, stand still speaking and you can hear it sounds like a balloon sort of a little bit.

The vocal cords.

You know when you take a balloon, you fill it with air and you squeeze it.

It sounded like that.

It's a play.

Balloon.

All right, I got it.

I got.

To go back and watch it, so gross.

This is so gross.

Gross.

But you know, here we are.

I can't believe this is happening right now.

Me even thinking about this makes my stomach churn.

Really.

Yeah, you.

Got a weak.

Stomach.

I'm just thinking about it and how old.

That's what the human body does without half a head.

Are you trying to speak?

I just noticed that his tongue squirming around and I was like, yeah.

Yeah, eating his head upside down like an apple or like he only took or a melon.

Right.

He only took one bite and was like, I'm done, let's throw it on the.

Ground I'll have the theme repeated too, because he was eating the one girl's face.

Noreen because I hated that, never mind I.

Do I have fish on my face?

That's.

What I wrote down here.

I know there's a great line though.

Objectively great.

It wasn't.

Do I have face on my face?

He could have just gotten away with do I have something on my face?

No, I feel like that would have been.

To make it a little different.

He went to the Dave school of beating a dead horse.

I did not like it.

I'm a fan.

I wrote face on my face.

Cringe.

Yeah, not in a good way.

Oh well, can't beat him.

Join him, OK, after Dick kicks out Hanlon, when they have that conversation from his room, he's like, get out of here, get out of it.

I don't want to serve your country.

What?

Get that out of your boot licker.

Yeah, boot licker.

Right.

Exactly.

Nice.

Yeah, OK.

But when death and destruction surrounding him and he was literally, I'm recalling a line from the interview that one of you guys had seen of him.

He says I'm determined to make you hate me.

He was about to leave without taking the at least some people with him underneath the floorboards of the refrigerator, which again came back.

It was like a checkouts refrigerator, how it leaked.

So he used the fact that the floorboards were rotting to get out from underneath it.

But he was about to go alone.

Thank you, I'm so glad you noticed that too because I put that in my notes.

I'm like, Dick is taken off right now.

Dick was out to save himself.

It wasn't until he saw Sesky that he stopped and was.

Say more?

What do you think that was?

I don't know exactly, I was hoping we could hash hash all of that out.

Because he says the Hamlin I had to.

She is what gets his attention and what stops him from just bailing on everybody.

And as he's looking at her, her eyes are glazed over.

And then they become clear.

Well, like the other dead, every dead we've seen him see have glazed over eyes until like he says, if I let them know that I can talk to them by way of speaking to them, they'll all come rushing at me.

It's like they acknowledge his existence.

They're not wandering aimlessly, they're targeting Dick because he has the shine.

Her eyes were the only ones I noticed became clear.

The fog lifted and her eyes were were crystal clear again.

Because he spoke to them.

Yeah, well, and then also you'll notice the dead that speak the victims after the also had clear eyes too.

Yeah, not dead eyes.

There's weren't foggy to begin with.

Well, right, because he let the cat out of a bag.

Because he was inside Taniels head.

I guess he knows as much as.

Taniel knows.

Right, Taniel knows, so I don't know if he was just compelled to do the right thing.

That's what I want to talk about right there.

Well OK, so I have the context of the book for this.

Hey, all the better.

In the book, Halloran is using the shine to help save people in the black spot.

That is the same, it's just that he's on the exterior, not the interior in the book.

So this was written in the Stephen King.

Subreddit.

The black spot from it is one of the most unnerving descriptions I've read from King posted two years ago.

Quote Trev grabbed my hand and I grabbed him back twice as hard.

We stood there holding hands just like you and me are doing now, Mikey.

Him and his nose broke and blood running down his face and his eyes puffing shut.

And we watch them people.

They were the real ghosts we saw that night.

Nothing but shimmers shaped like men and women in that fire, walking towards the opening Trev had bashed with Sergeant Wilson's truck.

Some of them had their arms held out like they expected someone to save them.

The others just walked and they didn't seem to get nowhere.

Their clothes were blazing, their faces was run, were running and one after another they just toppled over and you didn't see them no more.

The last one was a woman.

Her dress had burned off of her and there she was in her slip.

She was burning like a candle.

She seemed to look right at me at the end and I seen her eyelids was on fire.

The way King describes the factors that build up into this passage are incredible.

He introduces Dick Halloran, who most of us know has the shine and most likely the reason Will and the others didn't die.

Again, the timing is off.

He talks about more people showing up at the club each day, the racism and adversity they faced from the Sergeant, and how the black spot was the one place where white and black people could get along.

And then it all just comes crashing down.

I think what I like most about the Side Story is how we'll declined to talk about it for so long.

So we got curious, wondering what really happened until he finally talked about it on his deathbed.

I would be lying if I said I didn't have any trouble sleeping last night because I kept imagining these two passages buried deep in my mind.

Quote, there was maybe 40 or 50 people out there, some of them crying, some of them puking, some of them screaming, and some of them doing all three things at once.

It seemed like others were laying on the grass, fainted, dead away from with the smoke.

The door was shut and we heard people screaming on the other side, screaming to let him out out for the love of Jesus.

They were burning up.

And quote, this is the second quote.

Some people have gotten out.

And then they started to jam up at that door and push and the door got slammed shut and the ones in the back and pushing forward to get away from the fire and everyone got jammed up and the ones right up front were squashed.

Was it?

No way could they could get that door open against the weight of all those behind.

So there they were trapped.

And the fire raged.

And quote, also the reveal that the bird Pennywise was there too was bone chilling.

It didn't hover, he said it floated.

It floated, there were big bunches of balloons tied to each wing and it floated.

What a story from Will on his deathbed.

So this is what I was talking about.

Mike hears this story directly from Will.

Will is still alive in the book.

When Mike is a kid he hears this story.

We find out the Dick and Will were roughly the same age.

What happens is the black spots on fire.

Someone drives a truck through to help try to get people out because, like it states, they're jammed up at the door.

They've created like a Stampede situation.

They crash into the building essentially to try to get people out, and Halloran uses his shine to save people.

So I knew going into this that Halloran would save people in some way using the shine.

I just didn't understand how that was going to work because I haven't read the book so I don't know the full story.

It did seem like he was going to turn tail.

He's not like himself right now.

I think we can all agree he's been.

And now he's even less like himself.

Yeah, he's been totally broken, although more in a way.

The only protection he had has been stripped away from him.

He doesn't understand how to recreate that for himself yet, obviously.

And all he knows is that if he interacts with the dead, it's never going to stop.

That's all he's been told, or all he thinks, because that's all he knew from when he was a kid.

So how reluctant would you be to turn to the dead to ask for help, especially when they're coming at you with half a jaw missing?

Yeah, I'm sorry, but that's not the dude I'm going to interact with.

Like.

That moment was curious though, wasn't it?

Because that particular person walked right past him.

It wasn't coming after him.

Well, yeah, they don't because he's not interacting with them.

Right, like he said to Hanlon, the episode before the.

Second, he turned and he looked at the chief and talks.

And says hey.

Help me, where are the kids?

Help me find the kids.

All of a sudden the floodgates come out.

That's it.

Now they're never going to stop talking to him, is what he thinks.

Obviously we know better.

Dick's able to move on with his life and do other things, so clearly this doesn't stop here.

But in this moment, this is all he knows is going to happen.

They're going to start talking to me and they're not going to stop, and I'm not going to be able to stop it.

And that's exactly what he's processing.

Experiencing right now.

When we see him a little bit later and he's having a complete mental breakdown.

He's doing his best.

All the noise, I don't think he's there yet, but he's all.

The noise, I mean, I can't imagine, think of how many people have died and anyone location that you're in, in.

Just the 23 people who just, which by the way, I don't know if you paid attention to the things they said, essentially.

Well, his friend says, essentially we've got to get retribution for what's happened.

You have to go after these people.

Yeah, he says.

What's happened?

And make a.

It hurts like hell.

I'm talking to you.

Make it right.

Look at our kind brother.

What did they do to us?

Got to make it right.

Make it right.

And then it just goes to the next scene.

Because you can easily miss that.

By the way, it was so low and whatnot.

But I wanted to just hit one more thing that you said.

Bridget, though his grandmother Dicks had somewhat of what he hadn't, was able to at least give him that little bit of advice of locking away the dead or the spirits or whatever.

There's nobody like him, so he's learning this on his own at this point now.

Yeah, it's Danny.

Exactly.

I imagine he learns a lot.

Until he meets Danny, of course.

We don't know his whole story.

There could be other people that he comes in contact with, but as of right now, because I don't know what this story is going to look like, Dick's story is already different.

It's already been changed from what it was in the books.

Like we said, they could do like a whole universe situation now where like he goes off and does his own thing and learns more about this by meeting other people or whatever.

I mean they could retcon in whatever they want at this point.

Considering how wild, like we said in the last episode, the story is.

Or at least Pennywise.

And we know there's other people with the shine.

Yeah, it's not like it's only these two people.

No, no, there's a ton of ton of.

Three.

Now I mean that.

Was the whole premise of Doctor Sleep.

Let's read Jason's comment.

This will probably get us back on track.

It was really cool seeing the Native American woman Sesky helping him save the people and then him seeing the dead people after was scary face.

It floated like a balloon eyes emoji.

Who's talking about the bird?

The bird.

So yeah.

Right.

It had balloons on its wings.

What a creepy bird.

I'm glad we didn't see that.

That would have been lame.

Just objectively to bird.

Yeah, just a bird with balloons on its wings.

Well, can't exactly fly right?

He's good at writing, but his ideas don't always convey properly via the screen.

That would have been a little.

Weird.

Yeah, it would have been a little bit weird.

Well, we didn't really answer the question.

What prompted Dick to save everybody?

I asked the question really only because I think handling got in his head about duty.

Well, he's not a bad guy.

No, exactly.

Dave, no person with even like an iota of a sense of right and wrong could leave children to die in a burning building.

Oh, I don't know, Bridget, as as definitely are, much as I love people and think people are good.

I oh you are absolute trash but even.

I think trash will go back for kids well.

Even I think in a situation like this.

You would lose your life.

You just.

Want everyone you love die around you?

Yeah, I, I I don't buy that.

I can't believe I'm saying this.

So you'd be out of there.

You can just watch.

I'm not saying.

Me.

Oh, God forbid me, I'd probably die.

Exactly.

Why I'd?

Definitely die what I heard to save children.

Not big fans, but still, still.

Save.

So we saw people crashing through the windows trying to escape that way, but then they were immediately being shot when they did escape.

I'm under the impression, tell me if I'm wrong, that the kids, Hank and Halloran, are the only survivors.

Yeah.

Well, there is at least the one girl.

Well, there's A1 girl.

Oh, the laughing girl.

Yeah, okay, right.

Who?

She's not okay.

Was the cute girl that got served by the way who the barman was flirting with.

She was even younger than I thought she was last week.

She's going to Juniper a little for sure.

She did the thing where she was like, I'm gonna hit on some airmen and maybe get me some pregnant and well.

Get me some pregnant.

Why not?

Like it's something you can order at the bar.

Find a good man to take care of you.

To marry you, not to.

Just to get you knocked up, Dave.

That's the goal.

You get the thing and then get.

Then you get married.

No.

Get the be quiet look in any order Will do.

Oh, and the white girl lived.

Because she left, not her dad, By the way, that was Stan Kirsch in the Wolfman mask, right?

He just knows everybody because he's the butcher, right?

Oh, yeah, what a flip, too.

We came into the series, Charlotte going, why is everybody so weird?

This guy was like the only one who's meeting her at eye level.

Speaking face to face was kind of nice, and then all of a sudden, what a flip.

It's like the worst dude the.

Worst of the worst?

Yeah, even worse than Clint Bowers.

Wife beater, Racist, white supremacist.

It checks out.

They're usually pretty nice to your face.

Wife Beaters.

I'll take your word for it.

You should, I'm an exo unfortunately it's chill.

Just ran down my spine but I'll take your word for it.

So I know they're going to cover it up anyway.

But if they did, I know I heard the radio announcement.

It's just it's irritating because obviously the people who were shot didn't die in the fire.

So they're going to have to, like, pay off the Emmy.

Well.

They had to cover up how Mr.

Kirsch had died because they found him with half a head.

Oh, absolutely.

Oh, but Rob, he died.

Saving, saving or I know.

Yeah.

The hero.

Providing medical help came to.

Rescue those people.

And he just lost his head and.

Who were hurt and injured?

Snapping.

They not interview anybody that was in the building.

That's what's crazy to me.

Well, that's what I'm saying.

The only people who survived were held.

Don't want to be found?

Hank and the kids and the lunatic that's laughing her head off so nobody's going to talk to her.

And as far as they know, Ingrid Kirsch is catatonic.

Yes, so she's not talking either.

They think Hank's down.

She's like a clown for some reason.

The only.

Sorry, she's sort of catatonic in both the miniseries and the movies.

No chapter 2 She's not what?

But she's Penny wise.

Curse is Penny wise, yeah.

Chapter 2, Yeah, but in the miniseries she was sort of catatonic though.

When Bev talks to her, wasn't she?

No, I mean she was talking.

Yeah, she's in her her old house, her old.

Apartment not coming.

I'm sorry, I meant catatonic.

She kind of went in and out though, right at first.

Well, she did Pennywise thing because she was Pennywise in that too, right?

Right.

But that's, that's why I liked that she went catatonic because it was like, oh, there's a little nod there, which did she survive?

Didn't she?

I don't.

I was surprised, actually.

The only person who could even give an account of what happened would be Dick.

And he's not ready for this.

No.

He's it wouldn't matter, no.

Yeah, they're not going to find out for a long time.

What?

Actually happened.

I guess because they fired the chief, whoever the new chief is is just going to want to wrap it up so that they don't have some big black spot on their their record.

Should have asked the question but now you just just why is it what?

How does the title we're linked to this episode?

I don't think they ever uncovered this.

I think it gets covered up and they succeed at doing so because going forward it's not like if there was any repercussion for anybody.

Just like every massacre though, every augury technically, but you can already tell cinematically.

It's like a film has been removed from the screen.

Things are looking brighter looking up.

Everybody's just basically wants to forget.

But also Pennywise makes it so that they forget already.

The fog that lives.

Farting all over town.

Exactly, his emanations coming from the hidey hole.

It's been a while since we brought up the Pennywise Farts forgetting farts.

The fart of forget.

Farts.

The flatulence of forgetfulness.

Gosh.

So many syllables in that one.

Oh my God.

But it's true though, doesn't it feel that way?

Kids running down the street like nothing happened.

A sunny day on the radio.

That's gonna end real quick, though, because he's awake again.

Which is so interesting.

That's A twist.

It's like you knew that it would happen.

This never been recorded that we're aware of.

We've never been told that this happened.

I was concerned because I'm like, OK, this seems like the end of the show, but there's a whole other episodes like what's that's?

What I was like, what could possibly be happening?

I think Pennywise has realized obviously that one of the bars is gone.

You can now sure.

Oh yeah.

Yeah, so that's why he's woken up.

And I think Lily has the replacement bar.

I was going to say the same thing, yeah.

Smart.

Because we know he doesn't get out of dairy.

Correct.

No, he doesn't.

And yes, Lily has the only other piece of the thing that could contain him so.

Interesting, though, because General Shaw, he's so much crazier than I thought he was going to be.

So much crazier.

I mean, I knew like, there was going to be something about him that was kind of off, but this is way beyond what I thought it was going to be.

This I did not see coming.

Also do I believe?

You say Nazi.

Wow do I believe this as an idea for a person to just all the sudden be like fear is the only way to control everyone?

Like.

Because that's what it's I was like, OK, dude, this is absolutely crazy, but OK.

But obviously.

Is it though?

The other thing because that he's outside of dairy, he's not even in dairy.

Yeah, but he wants to release the beast.

Yeah, I know.

Well, I know.

It's nuts though.

Is it though?

We just went through COVID.

How crazy is that concept?

It's stupid, stupid relatable.

Yeah.

That's why it's I'm a conspiracy.

Theorist.

I believe everyone in the in the government is doing this at all times.

They are looking out for us.

Doesn't make it right.

What?

Should check in on the showrunners because the government's not going to like that you put this out there.

Because they're Italian.

What do you care?

There's 2 Italians, 1 Jew and one atheist.

I don't know, it's one of those things where I'm like, oh, you couldn't be more subtle and getting this point across, but you come out and say it exactly as it is and it's super ham fisted.

Dave, I don't like when writing is like this.

OK, well, go twirl your mustache on the on the railroad tracks there, dude.

It's.

Put that on a James Remark calendar.

It's so intense.

I get it, don't get me wrong.

Everything that was being said, it's like, oh wow, you could have pulled this out of our time, yadda yadda, the whole thing.

But like, that's what I didn't care for about that reveal is like, okay, well, you could have gone about this maybe a little more subtly or we could have had a different conversation, but all of a sudden it becomes zero to 60.

It became a lot more Indiana Jones like than.

Lawsuit.

Did you feel that with the dig site?

Yes.

It's not quite as cinematic as Raiders, but.

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.

Because all of a sudden it became like really campy.

If they should have put like ancient Egyptian music in 30s spoke Arabic, that's.

Fine, I guess I don't know.

See, they can get away with it because we just came out of something that was also to a large degree.

And who could blame people?

At first, it was largely fear inspiring.

Everybody was afraid right from the onset.

People didn't think about it at first.

Then all of a sudden became very real.

And then the government made it be more real, just like General Shaw is making it.

And I don't 100% disagree with him either, which I hate.

I hate that.

I'm sorry, right around.

Wait.

What let's No, you just said you agree with him.

I found myself trying to take the other side of the argument.

Here's something that Brad Caleb Kane said.

Shaw is a man out of time.

This isn't the episode of Insider Brigidium.

He's a man at a time seeing America changing, doesn't recognize it anymore.

He came from a time where they got together to fight World War.

Well, not fight World War One, but witness World War One, then fight in World War 2 or see the ashes of the Holocaust and people coming together under a single banner to fight against in their minds, evil, witnessing horrors, receiving and experiencing tragedy, Pearl Harbor, etcetera.

But everybody more or less was united in that pursuit.

But then obviously the 60s come and you're in this time where it's like you said, women's Lib is is coming about.

But also let's ask this question before I say anything further.

It seems to me that Shaw doesn't seem like a racist.

He was pretty horrified at what happened at the black spot.

Are we all in agreement there?

I would agree.

Yeah, I assume because he befriended a native girl in a time when that would not have been accepted.

True and fought alongside also colored airmen etcetera.

I'm using the problems of the time people don't come after me.

Yeah, I guess for me that's why this just feels like it's a crammed in.

But you don't feel like he has a sort of 30,000 foot view.

Obviously he's a general, so he's in and out of the room when it comes to Political Animals and then coming back to the field.

You know what I would have liked better if Pennywise's influence had converted?

The guy.

I don't care what his name is, you can tell me.

I don't care, though, who takes the pillar away in the truck.

Oh, the that guy.

If you had been like.

So like an Indiana jump?

Yes.

If you had been like and then all of a sudden this guy, it gets burnt, the wave.

And I'm like, sure, I don't know that guy.

He can be evil.

It's fine.

I don't know him.

He's kind.

Of an evil.

And he smiles back at Colonel Fuller.

And he has, like a Pennywise.

Side such an evil look.

That's the guy, that's the bad guy.

Wasn't he down the towels with him too?

I think so.

Yeah, he was got.

Shitty at tango.

Yeah, Colonel Killer, right?

That's the guy, that's the bad guy.

That's the guy you want to be bad.

So he doesn't have a bit of a stank guy, unlike General Trump.

That's what I wanted to clear up, is that we all.

Until that point reveal we got you, you didn't know it's.

Hard not to sympathize with him though at the same time.

No, it's pretty easy not to.

Yeah, it's pretty easy not to sympathize.

From his perspective, he's doing it for the greater good.

He's watching his country fall apart, According to him.

Don't people feel that way now?

Isn't that stupid relatable right now?

That's why this is ham fisted, Dave.

You know what, if you take this out of this time, even I see what you're saying.

In a time where people have anxiety about every single political moment or every single thing this president is doing.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree, etc, but I'm just saying that people do have these things.

It's recorded.

I understand that, Dave.

I'm saying like this was written in recent years, so everything that it's saying is supposed to be applicable to today.

That's why they inserted it in there.

It's fine.

I just think it could have been better written.

That's my only beef with this.

I agree.

The like I'm evil now and it's like over, OK.

I don't think he's evil though.

Oh, OK, Dave.

It's.

A.

Terrible choice.

He's doing the wrong thing, but he thinks he's doing it for the right reasons.

Right.

And I just really touch on this really well.

It's something that Brad Caleb came also says is at the end of the episode or insider.

The monster uses people's divisions to set them against each other, and he'll use all forms of that doing bad things for good reasons.

Listen, I'm not saying that the people in the masks were justified at all, but from their perspective, you're harboring a kid killer.

And if you're getting in the way of me getting a kid killer, then that's evil justifying itself to do evil acts right?

They weren't going to take him to the police station and turn him in.

No, because they didn't run because he got S canned.

Yeah, so they were flat out evil.

Again, I'm just saying, yeah, it's the way people can be manipulated and ginned into doing things that they probably wouldn't have gone as far doing had it not been for Pennywise or his influence.

And This is why David is terrified of mob mentality.

I mean, I think we all should be.

Fair.

My God, I just realized what you're wearing, you dork.

I'm wearing a hoodie that is modeled after Lieutenant Commander Wharf later on Commander Wharf in Star Trek.

It's very He backed up and I was like.

Wow.

It was yellow.

And then I'm wearing a red shirt out of the colors of the show, so I thought it would be kind of cool.

So your point really, I wanted to say there's that quote.

The road to hell is paved with good intent.

That's it, yes.

And I like that we're covering all the different dimensions of bad things being done, bad things by good people, bad things by people who think they're good, Bad, bad, bad things by bad, bad, bad people.

Also, what do you think of Lily?

She's dumb.

She's not looking so good right now, No.

She's not.

She's not.

Sleeping, she's completely.

Petrified.

It looks like that thing is draining her life force.

Maybe.

Yeah, she's Gollum.

With her one ring.

Yeah, sorry, with her Shard, Schmiegel.

She's not Gollum yet.

No, not yet.

She's still of the river folk.

Yeah, it's a nerd reference if I've ever heard one.

Is Bridget.

OK, well, you're wearing.

The man in his work hoodie, he's.

So I'm just using your voice to mock myself.

She does release her grip on the Shard when she realizes what happened to Rich, though, which I thought was interesting.

Even Snoopy, by the way, runs away from her.

I call it Snoopy.

It's a Beagle I think.

It might have been a basset.

So it had that droopy Basset Hound.

Face.

You're thinking a droopy dog.

Snoopy does have a droopy face.

No, you're right.

Right.

I don't know.

I just thought that because of the the way the ears looked at for herself.

Yeah, Listen, there.

Not a pet person.

Was she seen holding it when they went to the standpipe?

No, but she had her.

Bag, so I assumed it was in her bag.

So it's sort of like Taniel's Fanny pack.

It was like a body slide out of it.

I see.

I see.

Yeah, I know, right?

There's hoping it doesn't RIP a hole and jump out it.

Doesn't even have to do that much, it just magically goes through the bag just like Taniel's.

So both Ingrid and Will get the dead lights.

I need to know more about this a little bit more.

What is the effect of someone who goes right?

Good luck, we know nothing but go.

Ahead paralyzes your mind and we don't know exactly what happens Beverly got it, and then Richie got.

It used my miniseries logic, but I remember in the miniseries, Stanley here has said I saw him over the summer as a kid.

It was a mummy coming down the stairs.

Yeah, he saw him when he was away after the whole thing happened, and he didn't talk about it.

And then he talked to me about it.

And basically he ends up killing himself as an adult because he realizes that was his last memory because he'd forgotten.

Obviously, the Pennywise farts.

And then when he remembered him again, he killed himself.

But anyway, my whole point of that is I think he saw those lights also from the mummy or something.

Dead light to that effect.

The only time they really look into the dead lights in the mini series is when they flip the spider over.

Yeah.

OK, how?

We see it.

Anyway, Yeah, well, I just want to know what you.

I need theories here, Like what does this mean for both Ingrid and Will?

Seems like a bad thing.

Well, yeah.

Yeah, that's been established at least.

Is he hung up like dried meat now and we've?

Seen it go both ways.

It's like either you're dead now, or through the power of friendship, you can be saved.

I think well seeing the dead lights, the dead lights are it's true form so it's a thing.

From outside our.

Reality.

Yeah, the three lights things, that's a true form.

That's how we see it being projected to an audience, but it's something that your mind can't comprehend because it exists outside of our reality.

So it just kind of breaks your brain, makes you stunned, catatonic, paralyze all the feelings in the world.

So that being said, when it did, the Beverly keep staring at her and then made her float and then left her there until they all showed up in the power of friendship, brought her down and then a kiss brought back to life.

But.

Bridget always thinks of things that forever become a thing after.

That she's not wrong.

Episode or insider?

It is what it is, Dave.

It's.

The Power of friendship Power of friendship TM No Bridget, it's like.

Care Bears, I think.

Most of us understood that.

Yeah, no.

Yeah, OK, good.

All of us did.

OK.

And to Jason's point, dude, the dead lights looked cool.

But maybe that's why they were so stunned is that it did look pretty cool.

And their eyes went crazy.

It was so cool.

Yeah, surrounded by all those millions of teeth.

They'd take an ecstasy and so they were like bro.

Maybe that mommy's little helper stayed.

This is my long bargain floor do.

You want me to give you?

You want me to give you like Joe?

Because it's the three likes, so he's like doing.

I don't know if you Remember Me doing this at the Yep, the party at the camp.

Yes, I did that.

I thought I was so funny.

Never forget.

I am funny, but I thought I was hilarious during.

That remember never forget it was funny.

Memorial Bridges.

Dignity.

My dignity's been long.

That was that's dead and buried.

It's a monument to the lack of anyways.

I'm also curious to find out hopefully we do how it how this is affecting people, the deadline specifically because we see Ingrid obviously she's catatonic till she isn't but like at that last second her eyes shift and she looks over so was that her looking?

Was anyone?

Looking through her eyes.

OK, fine.

Interesting.

Cool because.

Because he was also supposed to be asleep at that time.

But we find out that he's not.

But he was until they.

Got the charred?

Yeah, he went to sleep.

He was sleeping in his little bloodbath.

His.

Little bloodbath is that?

How weird I was like what a weird way to hibernate dude.

But.

I immediately thought of people who or the the conspiracy theory of people bathing in the blood of children and whatnot.

Yeah, it's literally.

Obviously blood lively stuff, but like old people try to bathe in the young people blood so that they'll not look steal their youth.

So that's that's immediately what I thought with Penny was it whatever.

But what if that's the way he is able to manipulate actual people to do what he wants them to do?

Kind of like how Henry Bowers goes after each of the kids on his own.

Well, not his own volition, but he breaks Henry Bowers out of through.

The dead lights you're.

Saying yeah, yeah, that they, he can exert direct influence, I guess.

Yeah, OK.

Initially I was going to be like no, you're wrong, but we don't know anything to the contrary so maybe.

I wonder if this year's will give us more context as to what the Dead Lights actually do.

Maybe next episode, Maybe next.

Season.

I don't know.

Where's the turtle stuff?

You know what I mean?

Yeah, I, I don't.

Know if that's ever.

Going to actually.

Happen.

Like 2 turtle shells glued together.

Yeah, I.

Did see that and I was like, I was like nice turtle reference, but we're not actually learning anything about the turtle.

I'm kind of glad, aren't you?

It's.

Just a little nod.

Because it's so weird and who really wants to?

No, they're like we I want.

Turtles.

I want it to get weird.

It's all a matter of good writing, Bridget.

Not every scene is going to be General Shaw flipping his lid.

The Muscati's just got to do a whole lot of cocaine and this start writing.

You're Italian.

Go speak to the Italians.

Let them figure it out.

Maybe that's the final season we get to meet Mattering because it's a turtle out of time.

Turtles in time.

I finally understand it now.

TMNT.

Yeah.

Yeah, they're hardest video game.

Yeah, I've ever beaten it, actually, dude, did I?

I was.

Beaten that game.

The Nintendo one, right?

Not the Turtles in time.

Turtles in time, of course, we beat.

The one in the arcade is horrible.

Oh God, but it's the one.

Did anybody else think they were melting the Shard down to make bullets?

Yes, I did.

I did.

OK, that's fair.

I did.

But sure, yeah.

Yeah, I don't know how many you can make.

I was like, that's a lot of material to be smelting this into well.

At first, that's not really how you wasn't.

Stuff.

So I was confused.

Well see, they already had metals, probably in the smelter to mix the pillar with.

Why?

To make bullets?

That was my idea.

Yeah, to control the.

Fuse the bullets with the material.

My mind went to many places after that scene.

I was like well maybe this is good, which is why I watch this.

Maybe they create a wrought iron gate that in the end is what is used to poke Betty West.

Gate.

They put it up at Meeble.

In that.

Yeah, that.

Yeah.

So I was like, oh, that makes so much more sense now.

Shut up, Bridget.

Shut up with your face.

Pretty sure that gate was already standing when they visited me.

It was.

I was right, though Taniel only knows of one pillar.

And it happened to be the one they found.

Well, I'm assuming this collection of people each know, yeah.

Each get a.

Patient, yeah.

I'm obsessed with that one guy.

The one.

Guy who says OK asses he tried it.

Excuse me?

You.

Dropped it on the show so we.

Can say it.

He's my favorite.

I'm obsessed.

I was like, that guy is awesome.

Who is this guy He.

Really upset that other girl he's like.

He's she's like, yeah, I didn't care.

I was like, that's a hilarious way to leave.

What was life expectancy back in the 60s?

He was like, I'm not going to see you, but I'm you're going to see me as a dead person because Pennywise will make it so, basically.

Dead for sure.

Isn't that upsetting?

I dude, I thought it was so funny, I was like it.

Was funny, but then I gave it some thought.

No, it's the best way to leave.

Like a few people.

He doesn't want to deal with any of it.

He's like this sucks I hate this, why is this my job?

These white people are going to die anyway.

Who cares?

He's from a different he's like General Shaw.

He's a man from a different time.

Ephem.

Yeah, but I like stand with what that guy said I'm not standing with.

Shaw that's.

Just Oh my God, Jason.

Said I was surprised so they don't hang out in between the 20 seconds.

Jason, that guy, he's not hanging out with him.

He is not hanging.

Out with him, he's like, see, I'm going to go to Canada.

I did.

I was surprised because I thought they were part of the same tribe.

I think they are.

They're just like.

They was going to spend time together, but this guy's like.

You couldn't pay me, I'm paying it with you guys suck.

You guys suck.

I hate all of you but.

If it wasn't for this thing that we had to do if.

It wasn't for this ending of the world type situation that I'm stuck in.

He goes back to New York City.

He's an opium den.

This guy's living the high life.

I love him, he's my favorite I.

Hope he goes forever.

I'm back on board.

It was a jerk.

That's the funniest part of you saying that.

It's that you pan around the room.

Taniel, this other guy who looks, you know, same age as Taniel.

Everybody's got the sour face, like what just happened.

It's terrible.

It was the worst massacre yet because it objectively was.

It was 17 Airmen of the Black Spot, holding 23 so far and then in addition 17 other children, but wasn't.

The the Easter egg hunt the worst numbers wise.

I don't think it topped it.

This is 40 total people.

I don't think was the Easter egg.

Was the kitchen or Ironworks explosion more than 40 people?

Maybe I thought it was.

I thought it was 30 something alone in the one event.

I think it topped it.

And thanks to Ingrid, by the way.

Well, maybe there were a couple of urchins.

I don't think it shouldn't exist.

That's 1908.

I just want to say, was that the one that a little bit bothered by how long people were surviving in the fire?

Yes, yes, no, just.

From smoke inhalation alone, they would have been passed out long.

Yeah, also or they got definitely cooked in a cooler, but it's fine.

Yeah, yes, 100%.

No, this is not anywhere near the worst.

88 children and 102 people died in the 1906 could.

You share your explosion.

I can't wait for season 3.

Way worse.

Wow, what a way to right if we are going back in time.

If we're calling each cycle.

Bradley Gang nineteen way I did want to mention one thing, Speaking of times after Pennywise's act and it goes to him pushing in the powder basically, or whatever powder based makeup that he's using.

Or maybe it's not just clumpy.

It dawned on me that the whole talc thing started in the late 1800s and only recently thought that they found out they I think they always kind of knew that talc caused certain cancers.

Oh, those people.

Bad for you?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They only finally ruled in that favor that 2023, by the way, which is crazy to think because it's since the 70s it's been a controversy.

But then I thought, okay, maybe that's how Periwinkle died of cancer.

It's still debatable whether you can get cervical cancer.

Oh yeah, but she could have got mesothelioma.

Yeah, well, we were putting it on everything.

Babies, babies and women.

Women were told to use baby powder.

And then also there was a laundry list of feminine hygiene powders that existed that were all talc based.

And then on top of that, Talc was in makeup.

Right.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Especially like this kind of makeup.

Too.

Yeah, yeah, Was not us.

That's a great situation, Yeah.

And then they were like, Oh, well, now that we're worried about it, I guess many, many, many, many, many, many, many years later, we'll just start making talc free products now.

I think they started in the 70s and then they're like, let's not take chances with this conspiracy theory talc.

That's that's a piece to the capitalist market, you know.

Lead was also would make up for a long time.

No kidding.

So no kidding.

Let's see what else is there to talk about the.

Thing the only thing we haven't talked about Rich.

Yeah, he's deaf.

I was hoping you'd forget.

How could we forget?

Well, yeah, okay, bye.

Goodnight.

I guess we're done.

Talking everybody we don't talk about.

OK, let's revisit your comments from last week, Bridget, because you had said I hate that this is a thing.

I hate that it's possible that this is how she names her son Richie Tozier because of this incident and whatnot.

In memorial of Marge's first love, Rich Santos.

How do you feel now?

I hate everything.

Burn the world.

Yeah, I hate it.

I hate that he died.

I really do.

Favorite of the group?

And I hate that he died in such a chivalrous way.

He knew from the moment he opened that cooler that there was not room for the both of them.

He forced her to get in anyway.

It was just such a sweet moment.

What a brave action from a a child.

There are grown men that wouldn't do that, I'm sure.

Thank you.

I mean, not that it would have worked because you probably would have just cooked alive in that cooler or ran out of air.

The latter was my bigger fear, actually.

Because it's insulated, there's a chance.

Some degree, but it's also a metal box in a fire, so I mean I've.

Meant to be airtight.

The fire would make the oxygen deplete faster too.

And you were screaming at the beginning, so then you used up all your oxygen, you idiot.

Yeah.

My thing was like his Richie didn't even get charred, he was just dead, obviously from suffocation.

Maybe because they were in the center, it didn't learn so much.

Yeah, it didn't seem like the fire got all the way to that spot before it got put out or went out.

What would be more traumatic, A charred, unrecognizable Richie or a recognizable yet not with us Richie?

I'm really curious what your thought is.

I think that's more impactful to see.

Him.

He's there, but not there.

Yeah.

What if Pennywise made it so that he didn't burn?

Maybe, right, He's there, but he's not there.

Because I thought about that too, but I didn't want to think about it too much because obviously I don't want to pick this bone.

But then it does kind of make sense.

I think for me it'd be worse to see him charred.

The way he was sitting there looked almost peaceful.

Obviously we know it wasn't.

That's a horrific way to go.

I think that's the best way to look for us because that's.

Right.

Yeah, right.

It would have been.

It would have been way worse to see a charred, disfigured body.

So do you think that the musketes pulled the yoke basically maybe.

They felt like that would have been too far maybe.

Especially considering he's a child.

They also wanted to have that moment with all of them with his body afterwards, and that would have been even worse if they're trying to do that with a charred corpse.

Which they wouldn't.

No, of course not.

But you want story.

We want to see that moment.

Yeah, no.

I mean, maybe.

Exactly, exactly.

That's the only reason why I thought, OK, you can make this work if let's get the maximum tragedy effect, the maximum sadness if Pennywise saved this one little body.

I'm going to say something maybe terrible now.

This was sad.

I think most of us saw it, saw it coming.

Yeah, unfortunately.

I hoped it wouldn't be Richie.

All of these kids are not surviving.

I still think we might lose another 10, but that's just me.

Very possible.

That's not the horrible thing.

I was going to say the horrible thing.

Thing I'm going to say is this was sad.

I'm not taking anything away from that.

But for me, I feel like it was dragged out a little bit.

We had this really sweet, heartwarming moment where they're like, oh, he's gone and they hug him.

And then in the next scene, Marge has a moment with his hand, and then she put his hand.

Back in the thing.

And then they go, and then they go to death and then they go to the standpipe and they're packing up all of his things.

And then they have to go to Lily and do the whole thing there.

And I'm like, OK, we get it.

Yes, it's sad, but we get it.

I don't disagree.

I don't.

I don't disagree.

Would you say that their fists were maybe full of ham?

Branch counterpoint.

Not that I think you're wrong at all.

Part of doing that is to wind you down, to make you think that it's over too.

You can do this, this, this and that, and this is one of those things that make you feel like.

That's fine, but we all know there's another episode.

Exactly you.

Can only wind it down so much.

Up until the reveal of Pennywise waking up and attacking Will, I thought maybe like this was a Game of Thrones step situation where they do the big event in the penultimate episode and then have like a calm ending to the season.

Really.

Because we've seen previews of scenes that we haven't seen yet.

I haven't really watched too many previews on purpose so.

I also have not, but they show up in my face occasionally.

There's one in particular that we haven't seen yet and.

The foggy one, no.

No, it's Patty cakes.

Coincidentally, Jason says.

I was thinking the same thing, Rob.

I was thinking the same thing, easy with the Game of Thrones effect.

But I was also thinking of what is the show called?

Well, it's called Welcome to Dairy.

It's not.

Well, welcome to Pennywise the clown doing things.

As far as the last episode is concerned, you could easily get away with.

The fact is what happens now?

What does this town look like with Pennywise gone?

You get a glimpse of it in this episode until Pennywise comes back.

How anti Stephen King though?

Yeah, but it isn't Stephen King.

Technically, it's not Stephen King's show.

He.

Didn't write it, but they'd be doing him a dishonor to end it that way.

Wouldn't feel very on.

Not if the writing's good enough.

Well, he likes to give a nice little wrap up, but his wrap ups are they're short.

Terrible.

They're short and they're.

Dumb because we established in the last episode.

Yeah, short, and they're dumb.

They're not always.

Great.

They're people skipping through the airport.

It's bad.

It's bad all around.

What's this?

What you like?

They lampoon that pretty heavily in the movies too.

They all can't write an ending to his books.

Yeah, yeah.

He lampooned himself.

Yeah, they didn't get me, and maybe that's why I was feeling the way that I was feeling about it being dragged out.

Get to the part where more happens because we're not there yet.

No, I think they wanted you to feel as dazed as everybody else was feeling.

Like, wait, what's happening?

What's why isn't things moving?

Oh, because that's what grief is.

It means being in this moment.

And whether it works or not is a whole other story, but I think I see what they were trying to do.

Yeah.

You feel like that girl tearing off her wig and laughing maniacally.

You're like, why won't this scene progress?

Yeah, when Marge did walk over to Riches hand, I thought there was gonna be something in it.

I thought she was gonna take something out of his hand.

I thought he was going to be like holding on to.

Something what a nightmare for you, but yeah, yeah.

I think she saw his hand fall and she thought he was moving and a little bit of false hope came out.

I just think he just, she just saw his hand there was like that's.

Almost like a respected thing.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, he.

Can't see without his glasses.

It was like, yeah.

Situation stop.

Because what I'm about to say is this, the whole speech that he gives her and the back and forth and they say, I love you.

I love you, Rich, I love you.

Marge.

I tagged on there too.

And I didn't know this at the time in my notes, but I wrote my heart burns there too.

I hate.

Yeah, I see you side Bridget.

Finally.

Gross.

Heartless.

Yeah, but you felt something.

I told you I cried during this episode.

But I didn't know this at the time.

Do you want to know what the title of the next episode is?

Fine.

Winter fire.

OK, nice.

Be a little emotional.

I'm going to change subjects.

Can we talk about something else bro?

Well, you can't just do that.

Yeah, I'm going to.

He's like no Vaseline for you.

Yeah, I don't like it.

Why did Pennywise look like dipped?

He looks like a used tampon.

He came.

Straight out of that, I didn't.

Want to say.

About him straight out of that bloodbath and was like, I'm here to make you look at me.

This is making my mouth the water.

I was like, dude, what?

Yeah, I wrote that.

Such a weirdo too.

You're such a weird dude.

I'm wondering if Halloran actually felt him wake up.

Though, yeah, I wonder.

I wonder.

What were the last words?

Shaw says.

Cuz they're at the dig site, right?

Indiana Jones, you head back to the barracks and get some rest.

Yeah, it's the last you see of them.

Yeah, I know that sometimes it is scary.

Okay, definitely.

There are many moments during the newer movies that I'm like absolutely terrified watching when he says stuff like that.

He is such a joke.

When?

He.

Says when he said yeah the popcorn thing the my mouth was watering like I'm like bro you are so awkward and weird what a weird thing to say out loud.

I loved it, every bit of it.

And it reminded me of when Bob Gray's talking to that kid.

Yes, and.

Bob Gray's like, what a weird.

Thing.

True dude, very true.

The children, they flock to you and he's like, what a weird thing.

So not only did Robert Gray redeem clowns, he redeemed Pennywise from Bridget's eyes.

I don't know dude.

It's just sometimes you say stuff and I'm like, that's objectively funny because it's so awkward that you're saying it but.

Yeah, somebody gotta do it.

Bridget wasn't here for the line that I hated.

I want to know how she.

Feels about it.

That's why I thought it was so funny, yeah.

Well, line.

Where he's eaten Noreen and he looks at Ronnie and says do I have my?

Face.

On.

My face What's the?

Matter.

First of all, I love when he says what's the matter so.

I stupid hated it.

It's so dumb I.

Love.

When he said Rob.

He's like, wow, OK, thank you.

OK.

Thank you.

Well, cuz you're looking back at her face or like your own and you're like, oh it makes sense cuz it's literal.

No, it's just stupid.

It's like a stupid one, like someone, someone in the writers room, someone in the writers room was like, oh, I got it, guys.

I got, I've got it.

I got the.

Line.

It's the perfect line.

Are you ready?

Like.

It's based on my.

It's going to kill.

In terms of a clown, there is something a clown might say.

Like obviously a clown wouldn't say that, but like that clown is that kind of cringing corn.

Yeah, but it's just stupid.

Stupid, but it's a clown.

It undoes some of the fear.

Sometimes I'm like, I'm like, oh man, it is so scary.

And then he says stuff like that.

I'm like OK.

Undoes the fear for us for.

Real for real.

I had nightmares about Chucky forever until they made Bride of Chucky and then all my fears were cured because I know it wasn't scary anymore.

I know, Dave, even if I was in that situation, sometimes those lines would come out and be like.

Like stupid.

Okay, okay.

Don't quit your day job.

Pennywise quote.

UN quote.

It's like if you see those videos on TikTok, me and my best friend, if we got kidnapped, yeah, and it'll be like 2 girls in the back of a car and they're like, did you see that?

Did you see that?

And like the kidnapper will say something.

He'll be like, shut up or I'll kill you.

That's me and Bridget.

If we get kidnapped, we're in the back going.

What are you gonna?

Do that's what it reminds me.

Of Jason says the alien has a sense of humor.

Ha ha.

So he laughed too.

Men unite men.

High five.

It was everybody.

What?

Oh my.

Gosh, you can tell that Bridget's gonna have a boy cuz he's he's high 5 because too cuz she just she just.

I can't.

I can't sit up, Dave.

I have to keep, you're going to go back and edit this and be like, wow, Bridget was like really struggling.

For now I'm like totally unsympathetic, but later I'll be like Oh my gosh, sorry it.

Hurts so.

Bad One factoid and one question.

The scene in the black spot, the fire, the shooting, all that stuff.

The initial, all of that single tracking shot throughout the entire thing.

Awesome.

It was 3 days of rehearsing just that specific scene, so they got it right.

Super cool.

This is episode Insider.

Obviously you can get it from there.

But listen, we talked about single tracking shots a couple times in this series and this was a very impressive version of that.

Second question, Pennywise talking to Dickie, love the fact that he is still kind of in his head.

Love the fact that he knows he's seeing the dead people, the dead people that emerge behind him.

Are they real dead people or are they reproductions that Pennywise is making?

Very good question.

I.

Think there's evidence?

Easily do that I'm.

More inclined to say that they are a product of Pennywise only because of the unity in which they walk all together.

The glowing eyes as.

Well, take me off.

Yeah, that too.

Most of the dead people that Dick has seen so far are just sort of like wandering aimlessly.

These moved as a unit.

I think Pennywise had the wherewithal to know that now they were starting to talk to him, maybe, and then he was just producing more to kind of fluster him.

Yeah.

OK, so we're all settled.

This is a production of Pennywise.

Yeah.

OK.

Yeah.

The faces kind of looked like Twilight Zone faces.

The the beauty one.

I of the beholder, I think it was called the upturned nose and all that stuff.

The pig, the pig masks is what they called it.

OK, so fine, we're settled on that.

There's a deeper question here because he doesn't try to outright scare Dicky.

He tries to basically fluster Dicky because Dicky's having a problem on his own right now.

He's he's dealing with a lot anyway.

Maybe he's too distracted to be scared.

So the deeper question is, is Pennywise also threatened by Dickie that maybe he has the power to actually do something about Pennywise?

That thought occurred to me when he chose that to show Dickie.

Sure, Yeah, OK.

I think Pennywise is afraid of Dick because Dick does not know yet the extent of his own power.

He hasn't even tapped into what he's able to do.

Interesting.

OK.

Pennywise is in his mind.

He could probably get into its mind.

That would probably break him though.

Depending on on the feeding cycle, how far in?

Because Pennywise, it's not a physical being necessarily, it's a it's dead lights.

Just seeing those will break someone's mind.

So imagine going into the dead lights with your own mind.

That might create something even worse.

Ultimately, I'm just speculating because like we really know nothing about the dead lights ultimately, but.

Right, right.

I wish you guys had more speculation to go to go with this or like wild thoughts.

Well, maybe it's not even a matter of entering the mind of the dead lights, because like you said, it's an alien being.

It's more of an energy.

It's more of an idea.

Well it's more like it's like an energy than a physical being.

So maybe we find out Dick can somehow gain control over the dead lights.

You're thinking way even further than just manipulating a being.

You're thinking, oh, he can directly control Pennywise, much like Pennywise can control others with.

His but, but on the other side of that, I think we also have to admit that if that is the case, it's not going to go well.

Yeah, because of the series.

Because.

We know Pennywise survives all of this.

He's not going anywhere and.

We know Dick stays the hell out of me, yeah.

Yeah, he moves across the country.

It's going to the exact opposite end of the country.

Right I.

Think it was Andy Muscchietti.

He said how they figured out how they wanted the story to go was this episode, they built the season revolving around the Black Spot massacre, and they built the story outward from there, which is so cool to think about because he said we need to find an excuse to make this as the pivotal central point of the season.

And from there, OK, Black Spot.

OK, so there were black airmen.

OK, so there.

And then how do we build out from there?

And who do we want to include in that?

Obviously Dick Halloran.

Do we want to show a Leroy Hanlon, etcetera?

Who else do we want to show?

And then from there, they built out, OK, these kids are going to be the kids.

And I just thought that was a cool way of visualizing how you want this story to go, or that this was the initial concept.

I think it makes more sense than writing yourself into a corner.

Oh yeah, also, I know Stephen King writes like that.

He will start with this idea and then build the whole story around.

It Let's put up the pillars of the story and then we'll take one of them.

They're going to help Hank cross the border.

Rose in company.

I was wondering about that because she couldn't get a phone call out.

And I was like, is that Pennywise disrupting the ability to get a phone call out?

Because obviously when Maddie tried to leave, he was able to distort everything so that he couldn't.

I think that was before the juice is loose.

Betelgeuse, You know, the whole thing.

What was that right around the time?

What are you talking?

About.

Why not an OJ Simpson, right?

No, I meant the.

Beetlejuice.

Beetlejuice.

That's not what that is, but okay.

It is, you says.

It it is.

This is the second one.

I haven't seen it.

Yeah, I've heard.

Yeah, that original saying is not.

From is from.

Yeah, I know.

No, actually, I think Pennywise leaping out, yeah, that's after Charlotte meeting up with Rose was before the juice was loose.

It's staying.

So I don't think that's Pennywise OK.

I wasn't talking about Rose, I was talking about the phone.

But that had that hadn't been beforehand.

So there you go.

Her trying to reach Rose I assume was the first phone call, right?

No, that's not who she's calling Dave.

Why do you think she's calling Rose?

She's trying to call her contact outside of winery.

In Montreal, No.

I thought she was calling Rose.

I thought she was calling Ingrid at first but.

No, I thought I my first thought was Ingrid, but then she said.

Why isn't Ingrid picking?

Up.

I know who can get you out of town, or I know who can help us get you out of here.

Yeah.

Then I was like, oh.

But prior to that, she's been calling the same person.

It's her contact back in Shreveport.

Well, she also mentioned someone in in Montreal.

No, maybe you're right, Bridget.

Because that's who she's contacting earlier in the season on behalf of Hank.

She's not calling Rose on behalf of Hank.

She's not calling.

So you're saying all of a sudden she can't reach Ingrid?

Because she doesn't know that she is on her side.

She's calling her contacts from the civil rights movement.

OK, so I assumed when nobody answered it was because she couldn't get a phone call out of dairy because Penny Wise was disrupting it to make it harder to get Hank out?

Do we think Hank gets out?

That's the other.

I don't know.

Who knows?

No one gets out and Leroy stuck there forever.

I think Charlotte's gonna die.

What I think Charlotte's done for, I think that's probably during the relieves.

Our Princess Charlotte, our untouchable Princess.

She'll probably die trying to save Will.

Oh yeah, especially now that Will is what he's probably been taken.

Or at least comatose.

Well, remember when Pennywise takes Beverly, he doesn't sort of the same way.

He shows up in her bathroom, hits with the dead lights, and then whisk her out to the sewers to lure everyone else down.

Yep, that's probably why he did it to Beverly, because he's like, it worked this time when I did it to Will and his friends.

This works every time.

Last time and do it again.

Fair.

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Podcast you said the ritual of chud chud, chud chud chud.

Chud.

Was about a battle of wills with Pennywise cuz I know that they basically, yeah, they've been desperately trying not to do this because I've read some articles about this and how well it mythologizes Native Americans.

It's not really in their culture, blah blah blah, so I know that they want to move away from this, but what if?

Yeah, well, they made a whole story this season, but sure.

Yeah, OK.

Right, with the help of an actual native tribe, but still.

It still is made-up and not at all real.

But with the permission of this what they made concerted efforts better.

Better, I mean.

Right, The size, the natives of themselves, they found the star that keeps the thing in its cage, so it's not like they created that.

Well, Oh no, I'm talking about way back Stephen King basically.

So but anyway, my point is them basically trying to get Will out of the scenario going to be a way for them to, I mean we are retconning when we are fixing something that was said before and making it more adaptable or making it fit better into the storyline.

It is a form of retconning.

So do you think they might work in their own way of this?

Is the ritual of Chud getting Will out of the power, friendship, whatever the battle of wills wills?

Does Mike had to steal the thing that they use for the ritual chud in it Chapter 2 from the from the natives when I told him about this ritual that was performed and I'm wondering what part of the tribe.

Is shakapewa.

They did the Ritual of Chud to try and contain it, which I guess became the pillars.

I don't know, but that didn't work.

It didn't work when they did it, and it obviously doesn't work when Mike does it.

So I don't know if they would do that in this series.

I think they would go back further in the timeline to show that, if that, if they ever do.

Well, I'm just saying like a bastardize or like a hybrid version of that where, OK, it's not about containing it.

It's about releasing the friend power friendship.

Maybe that's the power friendship that releases people from the dead lights.

Maybe instead of being the containment unit, because we've already established it's the pillars, if we're to believe that mythology and we have no reason not to considering what happened.

So I don't know.

It's worth a thought.

Audience, yes, because why throw away something that's perfectly salvageable as a an idea?

Maybe repurpose it for something else.

Maybe.

All I know is some S is going to go down in the last episode.

Are you excited for the next episode?

Considering that in some senses, hey, we got a ton of delivery here.

We got tons of origin stories, questions answered and all that stuff, but where does it go from here in that last episode?

Re containing it and then he actually goes to sleep and that's pretty much one how this is going to end.

Right, bad things must happen at the end, but it still persists more.

People are going to die.

More people are going to die and they're going to have the small victory of containing him and that's about it.

Right.

And Dick, of course, feel like this, this story is so much more enhanced by the fact that Dick Halloran is here.

It's such a great side tale that really, really works with this with this series, so elevates it.

It's in the book.

Dave, But this is much bigger.

They changed it, but I'm glad that they included him because.

He's a bigger part, it feels like.

Oh, he's a much bigger.

Part Yes, he was.

Just in a story that Will tells on his deathbed.

But it's not.

Exactly right.

And also, well, OK, we were talking about the Kitchener Ironworks was a bigger death count.

Well, the potential here is rife with much more.

So don't disappoint us.

Show, show us the death.

Don't pull back.

Show a charred Rich.

Thank you for joining us, everybody.

I am happy that you were here, especially Jason.

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And of course, we're going to be talking about Fallout soon, A Night of the Seven Kingdoms.

The boys just announced their final season premiere, which is April 8th, so I need a break.

No breaks for you because you.

Know I.

Know Daryl Dixon season 4 happens this year at some point I'm.

True.

Well, I've been your host, David Cameo for now.

I was joined by me.

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Me too.

See.

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Bye.

OK, bye.

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