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What does the nanny do?

OK, so we're done.

Goodbye.

You.

Shut it off.

Do not twist my words.

Do not make me a victim.

Sweetie, just look at the mountain.

That's what you saw that day.

Just the knife and the kidneys over.

All these.

Years and the sacrifices that I made to love you.

Season 2 Episode 2 Free Range Browns So the Brown family we're just so in love with the Brown family and we're so excited to see more of their adventures.

Yeah, I second that.

Definitely.

This was a cute 1.

You know, I, I, I would say it was good.

They start the episode with Kody reminding us that that they've heard about the investigation in the last episode, which we covered from the Lehigh Police Department, and that everyone is stressed.

Obviously they're stressed because they found out they're under investigation by the police and that they want to go to Wyoming as a getaway and that they're going to work with Uncle Tim on the family ranch, is what they tell us in this introduction.

Yes, yes.

That.

It's been stressful, it's been heavy.

It's been hard for the kids, you know, and they are excited for everybody to take a break and get away and let off some steam.

Maybe one of the references or something?

When they're talking about their planning, they say that Janelle is going up a day later along with Kody and Hunter.

And it's fun because they do a cutaway to Janelle talking about how she's working.

And so she kind of gives that example of, oh, it's nice that there's people that can take my kids ahead while I'm I can't get away from work so I can come later.

I think her smile, there's something about Janelle's talk about other people doing things for her kids that I think is whatever it is.

It's just interesting how there's other people doing things for her kids and she is OK with that and happy about it.

Listen, she knew she won the lottery.

Yeah, because she does not have to travel in vans with all of these children for what is supposed to be an 8 hour trip that turns into like a 48 hour trip, basically, Ish.

And the kids made jokes like it's like 12 hours for them, like, ha ha, it's an 8 hour trip.

But really for us it's 12 and it took them two days.

Yeah, I think it was 48 hours.

Well, this is it, yes.

And I can't.

And to be honest, I couldn't remember the times because everyone was making different references to different times.

But yeah, like Christine tells Hunter at one point in time that they're trying to leave by 4:30, and he goes, Oh yeah, So 6.

And it was so good because Hunter's like a younger teenager, but he already knows their deal.

Like, Oh yeah, we're leaving at

4:30.

And then Logan says that I thought that he said their trip was going to be 4 hours, but that it was going to take 8 or 12.

Now maybe it was supposed to be an 8 hour trip.

And he references that it's going to be a longer trip, which I love how the older kids already know this and it does the math is math thing from what we've seen.

And then when they do actually show them leaving, like they're in the cars and they're driving and Christine's like, well, it's

6:00 and we're leaving and it's like, of course it's 6:00, you know?

Yeah, it was pretty hysterical.

I so just they rounding people up and getting them in the cars and they didn't drag on about any of that at all.

But it was like, I know what it's like to get two or three people in a car.

That alone is torture.

Yeah, I would need medication like I would have to.

I need a Xanax prescription to get through loading those vehicles.

Like no way, No way.

Oh, you would do great, honey.

Nope.

Have you met me?

Well, that, I mean, they do an interview with the adults and they're saying that they're really trying to keep the stress of the situation off the kids.

So while this is going on, I think, you know, on top of the stress of actually getting all of them ready to go and to do this thing which every trip for them is moving mountains, they're also trying to keep the kids distracted or keep their mind off of the things that are happening.

And I guess I mean, that makes sense, I guess.

It was in like all the chaos of them kind of preparing and stuff.

They're showing videos and one of the kids was pushing Truly in like a diaper box sled through the living room.

You know, like a diaper box with the top ripped off and just and Truly's heads just like hanging back and she's like flung through the room.

I mean, it was pretty cute.

It wasn't like dangerous by any stretch, but it was just like, OK, that's a choice.

And then as far as the protecting the children goes, yeah, they did kind of a flashback to there's a little Gwendolyn in the basement window staring out and, oh, there's more guys out there, you know?

And it's like, oh, my gosh, yeah.

Like as a young kid, you can only protect them so much.

And they're going to see what's happening, just like the older kids reading the blogs and stuff last week, right?

Like, they're trying.

But the reality is their kids are a part of this and they're going to have to deal with that.

And Robin does say that, that you know the kids are going to pick up on even things from the adults.

And it does pain me to hear Robin say a logical statement, but I don't want to give her any credit for it.

She did say that, but I don't want to give her any credit.

Yes, they will still fill the adults energy.

They will said fill fill it.

I I wrote it out FILL they will fill the adults energy.

Oh yeah, Robin, she says a lot this episode and we'll, we'll, we'll circle back to some of those things she talks about because wow.

It just there was a funny moment to me when Kody talks about he how he has an hour alone at the house and how he was going to go back to work and he's like, I'm not going to go back to work now because I'm the house alone for an hour.

And I'm like, oh God, I can't imagine.

I can't imagine.

No, like how often at that point in his life do you think he did not have family members around him, right?

You know, short of at work during the day, that's.

Why work was?

Right, even if he.

Wasn't making much money, which right now I'm doing air quotes because that's kind of The thing is that potentially he really never made very much money and like, OK, don't want to shame someone for that.

But like he was probably busy and gone more than what his income.

The math was probably not mapping on that.

He was probably gone because he got time alone.

He could drive by himself.

Yes, yes.

And it, it was funny because I thought about the hour and I'm like, that's really not a lot of time.

But when you are not used to having time by yourself, an hour must seem like an eternity, just like a.

Well, it's awfully quiet in here, you know, Like what?

I just can't quite picture it.

That was pretty good.

That was pretty good.

Yeah.

Then they finally depart, right as Christine said at 6:00 PM, right on schedule 430.

And Chris, how far did they make it?

Yeah, they're an hour away from the house, and Robin's car overheats, and they pull over to the side of the road they're at.

They're only an hour away from home, and they say that they are pulled over on the side of the road for three hours.

They show footage of semis driving by.

And, you know, and Meri's like, oh, God, I got the drama.

Whenever we go anywhere, it's like, OK, thanks, Meri, for your lovely input.

But then they got a cargo van rented.

And the kids love the cargo van.

They were, like, playing with the lights.

And the adults are talking about moving all the stuff from vehicle to vehicle.

But at least the kids like the cargo van.

3 hours on the side of a highway.

My God, I.

My God.

There are so many pieces of this whole thing that I don't under.

Like if it was me in that situation, Oh my God I would be losing it.

I would be telling all of these people you've lost your minds.

This is clearly what needs to be done and we're not doing this any longer.

OK, their solution for the first hour ish of this situation while the car is smoking and won't start is to go get oil and radiator fluid, OK?

Because if we just miraculously put these fluids in that the car needs, the car that's not running, we'll just be like, Yep, we're good.

And it's just going to start back up and we're going to be fine.

Right, right.

Wasted time and effort.

You wasted that much time.

So then we're going to call the tow truck.

OK.

Excuse me.

No, now we have to wait two more hours for the tow truck to come.

And then we have to still get the rental and we have to still do all of this.

Like, what are you doing?

I could not believe the attempts that they made to try, like they knew what they were doing with this vehicle.

I I I don't understand.

It did feel like and maybe it was just editing, but they kind of gave Logan some moments to talk about it And and I oh gosh, this is going to be gendered and this you're going to hate me because I'm a man, but it's like, you know, a bunch of women and children with vehicles on the side of the road and I'm going to only put myself at between the children and the women in capabilities myself.

So I don't know what I would do either.

I mean, I certainly wouldn't go get fluids and try to solve the problem myself.

I would have jumped right to we need to get someone else to deal with this, correct?

And that's what I think you're.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, OK, That's what I'm saying.

I'm not expecting them to know what to do.

I think it's completely fine that they don't.

I just, you know, yeah, I don't know, there, there was some wasted effort there, I feel like.

And if I was in three big ass vehicles on the side of the road with, OK, so if it's sixteen people -3 adults, 13 children, I would not have all of our vehicle.

Or if you're going to try that, cool the other two cars.

We're going into town.

We're going to sit in a restaurant.

Keep us updated and we'll come back later.

Like what?

Just none of it made any sense to me.

They're all just there on the side of the road, camera crew and all, and I'm like, you guys are fucking insane.

Like this is nuts.

So.

It's one thing if you're sitting in like traffic at construction and you can't move or whatever, but like they're just on the side of the road.

The other people could go somewhere.

It's not a big deal.

No, there's a level of safety to it as well.

Like it's dark, it's night, you're on the side of a freeway.

Like what are we doing?

I just none of it made any sense to me.

I think this is the first in a long line of Browns driving and Browns not driving while they should be driving and Browns with cars.

There's a lot of Browns with cars and driving, right?

We know they can't afford flights places.

There's a lot of kids.

They're just going to Wyoming from northern Utah.

It's not that far of a drive.

And then cut to 9:00 AM the next morning.

Yeah, when Kody's getting up and he's going to the repair shop and he's trying to assess the.

Riding a motorcycle Yes to the.

Auto shop, Yes, he sure did.

He thought he was pretty fucking cool.

I was like, did we see him on a motorcycle season 1?

Because there was a moment where we see him photographed on a motorcycle, like looking around, but I don't remember seeing him on a motorcycle.

Point.

Maybe we didn't.

So it was interesting that, like I just say interesting.

I just think this is the first time we actually see him on a bike.

But he's totally wearing.

But he always wears like khakis and a dress shirt.

He's like going to work, but instead he's going to stop at the auto shop.

OK, well, fine, that happens.

But he's on this motorcycle and it's like, why aren't you in your little sports car that you can't take any of your children anywhere in, you know what I mean?

Like I don't whatever he's got to put on the show for the cameras.

That's what he's here for.

He's.

Just doing a bang up job, you know, as usual.

And do you know what it will cost to fix the suburban darling?

Do you know the exact number?

5100 and change.

I don't know the exact number.

You're.

Killing me.

I wrote down 5K but I knew it was 5100.

I just don't.

I wrote down 5200 but because they referenced the specific number so many times I crossed it out and wrote 5164 dollars.

Oh my God.

Because it was said at least three times.

Like, OK, wow, down to the dollar.

And of course, you know, Kody.

Oh, well.

Well, we'll have to see if this is even worth it.

I don't know if even putting that in the vehicle, we'll have to see if we can pull something out of something else with the family.

So he's just giving us logical what you do when you get an estimate for a car, you got to figure out what you can do with.

It riding that fancy motorcycle that serves big purpose for your family, right?

That motorcycle is really, really a priority.

I'm sure.

Yeah, actually could probably get 5 grand for it.

Right, right.

Maybe more.

Instead of taking the vehicle where he can fit 1.5 other people with him, he took his solo ride motorcycle as the father of however many children like insane insane.

Do you think the motorcycle was part of sealing the deal with Robin?

Sealing the deal?

What do you mean?

I don't know, like, like I'm really going to impress her.

So let me get this, get the motorcycle.

You know, don't you think he showed up in Saint George on the fucking motorcycle?

At one point, yeah, he, like, wrote it all the way down there.

She's like my man.

Yeah.

And it's kind of like ice blocking, you know, like she might get a little tingle down South.

Ding Ding, Ding.

Like that was great.

And like you said, oh Kody, she's oh Kody.

She was upon that motorcycle, my little stallion.

Yeah.

And this is where I was like, Robin is a moron.

Robin is an idiot.

Yes, because Kody calls Christine to let her know what's going on with the vehicle, which has been towed the hour back home and is at the auto shop.

And he's calling Christine to let her know it's going to be $5164 to solve the broken motor and whatever else.

And she's telling Robin and Robin's like, is this just just happens?

A car just goes bad?

Like, Oh my.

God, the motor just died.

What happened?

She's really needing more information.

Right.

And Christine's like I don't have any more details for you.

Like actually she goes, I don't want all the details.

Yes.

It's like you're fucking kidding, right?

It doesn't matter what happens.

This is where we are.

Robin with her remote auto diagnosis, like what are you talking about?

Like what is she going to contribute to any conversation?

And also, if Christine did have the actual technical words used, do you think that Robin would understand any of them?

Even if I'd only seen this episode, I would constantly say no because her talking is like, I don't necessarily talk pretty all the time, but she oh God, this episode it's C Seinfeld and delivered it for me.

She's an idiot.

Like while she's talking, it's just like you're watching.

Like I was going to say something terrible like a homeschooled 11 year old, but maybe that's not terrible.

That's what she sounds like, a homeschooled 11 year old.

I agree 150% and also I this is what I think is interesting watching like her interviews today.

OK.

And compared to then really the only difference is that we give her credit because of maturity, because of her age.

She still talks very slow about things.

She talks very simply about things.

There is not much that has like broad concept behind it.

It's often just words, and I don't think she's learned a lot in the past couple decades, you know what I mean?

Like I just don't think she has so.

And maybe what she has learned in the last 15 years is reading comments online and seeing how everyone talks about her being sobbing.

So there's a change in that down the road.

There's kind of a immediate change where all of a sudden she's not crying about everything anymore and then speak the slow affect, it's like people, it's like she realized how dumb she sounded on TV and so she was like, I'm going to just slow it down.

She.

Probably got a life coach.

Well, a life coach.

Not a life coach, but a PR person.

APR person I don't know.

PR person.

I also think it could be the gas leak in her home because that's that's my theory is that there is a gas leak at her home.

I think that would add up.

Yeah, that tracks, yeah.

Then the family outside of Janelle, Kody, and Hunter who stayed back because Hunter had a football game or football practice.

Excuse me, the whole family is still driving along the next morning because they only got an hour into their however many hour trek.

And they stop at Red Canyon to take pictures.

And it's cute because Meri makes it sound like this is what they do.

They stop at this place and they take photos.

She didn't explicitly say that, but that's the gist.

And she's saying this to Robin in the car.

They pull over and Robin kind of seems like is there a problem or whatever, and she's like, this is where we do, we stop and we take photos here.

That's what we do.

We're going to have one of our big, big, big moments of the show right now as far as making fun of someone, which is what's really important, Robin tells the kids while they're all lined up in front of the view.

Not before they're taking a photo.

They're getting ready to take a photo.

They're all looking at the view and she's like everyone make AY for Wyoming and the kids all make wise with their hands like they're doing YMCA and Meri's like Wyoming is spelled with AW and it's like oh this is the woman that tells the kids to make AY for Wyoming.

Like this is the first episode where it is clear as fucking day that Robin is a moron.

I'm not even sure it registered to Robin after Meri said that.

Yeah.

What she fucking meant.

Yeah.

Like Robin just kind of like, ha ha.

And it was like, no, you idiot, like, what are you doing?

Yeah, I.

Mean it just.

It really was.

It was bad.

It was bad.

We all make mistakes where we say things sometimes where it's like when you look back on it, you're like, oh, that was which we've never done on this podcast, of course.

But you know, sometimes you do screw up and you say a sentence wrong.

You use a letter, whatever.

Suggest drugging something.

Nothing.

Allegedly.

Allegedly.

Allegedly, Allegedly Allegedly, you may have suggested someone drug someone, allegedly.

Allegedly.

But you wouldn't say Wyoming starts with AY.

That's just wrong.

Or if I did, I would be like, come on, you guys know you can't expect any better than this.

I would at least give them shit back.

I wouldn't just be like, oh, what?

Huh.

Yeah.

You mean what?

I'm just going to play it off like I didn't even know anything or.

Whatever.

No, actually it does.

It does start.

Wyoming.

What an idiot.

Yeah, I'm just so happy.

I shouldn't say I'm so happy.

This is how sad my life is.

I'm just so happy that we've we got one of these first moments of like lower in the community of like Robin's idiocy, like why for Wyoming, it's a beautiful moment.

There was actually a couple of moments, that one obviously is the first, but then towards the end and we'll get there.

But like of the other wives, absolutely not hesitating to call Robin out on either stupid shit like that or like chill the fuck out shit or whatever.

Like they're starting just be like, OK, Robin, you know, like you can tell that those.

Pipes are there, yeah.

And I love it.

Yes, they cut back to the compound in Lehigh and Kody, Janelle and Hunter are getting ready to leave the next morning and Kody admits that it is his fault, usually, that they are late.

And that was a fun moment because I bet it's true in more than one way.

Not only in the like I'm a man and I'm late and I'm an idiot and I'm late, but that he serves as a chaos agent in his own family.

Like he doesn't make anything better for anybody 97% of the time I'm guessing.

Yep, Yep, fully agree with that, but also still just think that these three are on the like we won the fucking lottery train.

You know what I mean?

Like we have not had to deal with any of that shit that they did the last two days and la, la, la, la, la, look at us go we're on a road trip.

Like they're just chilling, Janelle tells Kody he did you bring your boots?

You look sexy on a horse or some shit like that.

Like they're just having a grand old time in that car on the way up.

Well, and even packing the car there was like a lightness It definitely, yeah.

I can't imagine spending so much time with so many people, like at home because it's one thing to go to work and it's one thing to go to in public, but to come home to so many people all the time and have everything you do have to involve so many other people.

Like to be like, oh, at least only one of my wives and my one child with her is going with me.

Like I bet that was literally like they were all like, I bet they were really happy about that.

That's why we've chosen the lifestyles we have, Chris.

It's because we could never tolerate that.

I can't even stand one person.

I was going to.

Say I don't even date because I'm like no.

Watching you balance for different relationships of that matter.

No, I don't matter manner.

No.

Four different relationships of that manner.

Okay, I cannot be Robin.

Well, I mean, I could marry the male version of Meri and Janelle, but Christine, Oh my gosh, kill me, kill me.

I couldn't do it.

You think you?

I'm I'm.

That's true.

But I'll just wait to see you date someone, OK?

Like I'll just wait to see you actually like you get to date number.

4 Because that's never gonna happen.

Yeah.

Now, yeah.

Yeah.

I can't wait to meet the magical human that you get to spend the rest of your life with, you know?

It'll probably be 3 days before I die.

It'll be one of those things where it's like, oh, he finally found the one.

And then the next day I'll get hit by a bus and everyone will be like, well that was that was Chris.

That was Chris at.

Least he had a few good days.

At least he had.

Hopefully he got a couple orgasms out of it.

Like at least well.

That turned fast, all right.

And then they take a break for Kody to talk about how his parents were Mormons, he grew up as Mormon, and that there is a difference between the AUB or fundamentalist Mormons that have adopted polygamy versus the organized church that people generally know that's the Mormon church and how he went on his mission that they do when they're young adults.

And while he was gone, his parents adopted polygamy as a lifestyle.

And he talks about how his mom pushed for polygamy while he was gone and that they added to their family while he was on his mission.

And I don't know about the mom pushing.

I mean, like, I guess I, I find it interesting that someone would be like, I had a vision or God talk to me once again, hearing the voices telling them to have other wives in their marriage, etcetera.

What did you have to?

What did you think about the whole thing?

Well, I thought it was fucking weird.

So here's my thing, right?

So when they go on these Mormon missions, and now I will tell you that the extent of my knowledge on this comes from The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

Yeah.

OK, Yeah.

So.

Lisa.

Yes, Lisa's son.

Yes, yeah, But she has a teenage son that goes on a mission.

Yeah, right.

And so leading up to this mission, they're talking about kind of how all of that works and it's entails them being gone for a fairly long extended period of time.

Is it a year or?

Maybe I I think it's two years, but I don't.

Know, but like that they can't even like communicate back home during that time.

They don't visit.

They don't like they basically just disappear and are on their Mormon mission to convert others in the communities, I think.

Right.

Like, I think basically they're hitting the pavement with Flyers on their missions.

It's my yeah, I'm sure there's different versions for sure, but so you're a teenager and you were gone wherever like her son was supposed to go to I I'm going to say like Nicaragua or something, something like that.

South America.

So you're gone and you're away and your parents are like, hey, you know what we should do?

Let's try this.

What do you think?

Would that be fun?

And then you return home to them having another wife or at least entertaining the lifestyle dating.

Having another wife?

In Kody's case, yes.

Yeah, clearly it had its effect on Kody in some manner, like maybe in one of the more positive ways that it could or something.

I don't know.

This is all very strange.

It's very strange to me that their child would be gotten.

Does he have siblings?

Yes, he has multiple brothers.

Like before.

Sister, I don't, I don't know, but yes.

Before polygamy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So there's multiple children, some potentially still living at home during this time, but they're not like, I just can't quite imagine that change.

But then I guess maybe you start to think about it as maybe you have a parent that you know was straight the whole time you were growing up and now they're gay and whatever, right?

Like they come out at some point in time or, you know, say that they're bisexual and that could be something very different.

I mean, sexuality versus what they're doing definitely different.

But like cult behavior?

Yes, but like big lifestyle changes of sorts and like, I don't know, I can't wrap my brain around it.

I thought it was very strange and I kind of wish they had gone into more detail about what that looked like.

And maybe they did, but they just didn't show it because it wasn't that interesting.

I bizarre, bizarre.

Kody's bio mom her her name is Janelle.

I'm going to say you did that right.

We're going to say we're going to try to say Janelle because sometimes it sounds like that when they're saying it on the show.

Other times to me, it sounds like Janelle with a little twang like Janelle.

But I think if we say Janelle and we make the heel like Janelle, that would be good.

We'll try to do that, ladies and gentlemen, but I think you know, when you when you're talking about the choices and I think about the cultness and the whatever I my first thought is what is going on between when Kody's dad, Wynn when and Janelle in their relationship for her to say, I think we should have another wife in this situation.

Now, maybe she had a religious experience.

Maybe God talked to her in the sense of when you hear voices.

But that's what I wonder is like what was going on with them?

Like is he unsatisfied?

Is she wanting someone else around?

But not sure what that means.

Like how what is the motivation for even wanting to do this?

Because is it really a booming voice from this guy?

Like what?

Right.

And like also I was, I was thinking, could it potentially be that through their church, they maybe knew somebody that had, you know, started the other lifestyle?

But then I'm kind of like, that seems a little unlikely because they weren't telling people that, that that's how they live their lives.

So I, I, I That doesn't necessarily add up either.

I am curious about that, about the rural communities, Wyoming, Utah, that area where you are Mormon and you meet people.

Because I think that's what Janelle talks about is that she met Mormon people or excuse me, she met polygamous.

And we're like, these are my polygamous friends.

And like now all of a sudden turned on to this.

And what does this mean?

So she can't be the only one.

But yeah, I don't they don't go into enough detail about that.

But I'm curious about what it means to be in a monogamous relationship.

Supposedly your husband owns a ranch.

She's a ranch.

And he's busy all, all day, every day.

And you're like, I should really have another wife in this situation.

I'm just wondering what would trigger that?

What would start that?

More workers for the ranch.

More teats for the calves.

Wow.

Oh, that was a terrible visual.

In Wyoming.

Wyoming is a place to be.

They got plenty of teats for the suckling in Wyoming.

OK.

So we don't know a lot about that and we are but.

We did talk about it for 5 minutes.

Still lots of questions, if you guys have the answers feel free we will take them.

Absolutely.

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If you know how it is that someone decides that they should bring another wife into the family, let us know.

Just let us know.

Please.

Thank you.

So then we basically cut to the family that left the first day.

The first people that left the compound didn't get to Wyoming until two days later.

I feel like they make it kind of sound like since they left at six, they arrived the morning of the following following day.

Like it was like you said, 48 hours, Like it was probably a solid 2 days.

They say we've been driving for three days.

It was probably 2 days of travel.

I'm wondering what they did that whole second day because they they don't point out any activities other than stopping at a place to take photos.

And they kind of just say like, oh, you know, we had to do what we had to do when this is how it goes.

And then, well, somebody came the next day and I'm like, what happened to a whole day?

I, you know what I think maybe Christine mentioned like the kids were really tired or something.

Like maybe they did get a good chunk of the day done that second day, but everybody was losing their minds and they're like, all right, we're stopping.

Like kids probably swam in the hotel, did all the stuff right.

And then they stayed.

There was a moment where I thought they had potentially driven all night, like when it said the 9:00 AM stop at the rest stop the next morning.

I was like, oh, did they just power through and drive all night and they're almost there?

No, no, no.

24 more hours at least.

Yes, until they arrive, yes.

I remember that too.

At the 9:00 AM, I'm like, oh, good for them.

It's like, no, no, they're a day behind.

Like all of a sudden it was like, Nope, they are not even close.

But they were in the state of Wyoming.

How fucking big is Wyoming?

I mean, Wyoming is big enough, but I'm gonna I'm gonna think back to when we started this episode and you referenced 8 hours.

I think 8 hours was the trip.

Now that we're talking about this, because that could be done in an evening slash into the next day, Particularly because as we talked about later, some of them have to get hotel rooms.

They can't all stay at the ranch.

So getting there the first night probably is de prioritized because it's like, well, not everyone's going to stay there anyway.

We're going to have to stop somewhere.

People are going to have to get rooms.

I I'm not.

I'm pretty good with geography, but getting from Lehigh to somewhere in Wyoming for an ordinary family is a one day drive.

For sure.

So for them to take two full days spread out over three makes sense for the Browns, I guess.

Hey, we once did a 13 hour drive in 72 hours, just you and me.

What was that drive?

Driving home?

Yeah, driving home, yes, But we mean we went a different way.

He stayed in Duluth and he stopped by the.

We got drunk at bars and.

Stayed in hotel yeah Oh beautiful.

Upper Michigan.

Shout out to Upper Michigan.

What a delight.

Yeah, beautiful.

So yes, we can't judge them actually.

OK, little personal tangent we got.

We stopped over at this place because there's all these trees and I think one of us probably had to pee, if not both of us.

Let's say we're on the side of a highway and there's this forest and it's beautiful and there's river and waterfalls and these paths.

And we were looking around just kind of exploring on the side of the well off to the off to the side of the road, but having a genuine moment of just pulling over on a car trip and looking around.

And we get back in the car.

We pull off and as they're getting pulled over by a police officer a little while later, I think I said to you, our story is that we just pulled over and we're looking around at the trees and at the waterfall.

And you were like, but that's, that's what we did.

And I'm like, I know, let's just get our story straight.

Like what do we have to lie about?

Literally, we did nothing wrong.

We did nothing wrong.

No, you know what it was?

We saw a river on the map because we kind of wanted to get off paths and explore a little bit.

We're like, yeah, let's check it out.

We saw this river, so we're like, all right, let's see.

Completely innocent, did absolutely nothing wrong, unless you would call it indecent exposure to pee on the side of a gravel Rd.

in the middle of nowhere.

He didn't even catch us doing that.

No, no.

But yes, get our story straight.

Get our story straight.

We stopped to look at the nature like, well, that is your story.

Good news only got a warning only.

Got a warning?

Only a warning.

We weren't even removed from the vehicle and searched.

I mean it worked out perfectly.

We both flashed our knockers and the officer was like whoo got to let him go.

Was he cute?

I don't think so.

I don't think so.

I would remember if he was cute because that would be part of the story and like he was cute.

Turns out no, he no, no, definitely not cute.

We were too scared of the crime that we hadn't committed other than speeding.

We're innocent, officer, and he's like of what?

He's like, well, I pulled you over for speeding.

No, we're innocent of that.

Oh my.

God, what a road trip that was.

Amen.

OK, so they have their 48 hour road trip to get to the place or whatever, Maybe 30.

30 road trip in two days that should have taken less than one day.

Maybe 36 if we're being generous.

But they reference a point when it was maybe Meri, I can't remember Meri that said, well, you know, we finally arrived.

And then Kody, Janelle and Hunter got here about one hour later.

They had left the entire next.

Day.

24 hours later and they got there one hour after the rest of them did.

So they must have stopped and slept too for a little bit.

You know, like they had to have.

But I thought that was just really great timing.

Yes, very funny.

And then we have an arrival at Kody's parents ranch and they kind of do an overview of who they are kind of.

And so we'll start with what they kind of told us, which is that Kody's dad, his name is Wynne and his bio mom, her name is Janelle.

And as we talked about before, Wynn and Janelle have been married or how I don't know how long they've been married, but Kody's parents who were together married Mormon.

He leaves for Mission, comes back and there's another wife, which her name is Cheryl.

Now, they don't point this out yet to begin, but Cheryl is Janelle's mother, which is very interesting that they don't say that right away.

But I was like, okay, so they're just gonna talk about how Chery's around, but not really address any of that.

What did you think about talking about the parents?

Did anything stand out to you right away?

I think the first thing that stood out to me first, it was just like a big cute welcome.

Like everybody was there's hugs and joking and laughing and everybody was just super excited to be there.

So it was kind of like a, a warm family welcome, right?

Like I thought, I thought that was adorable.

They talked a bit about Kody's dad to start off with.

First of all, you know, for an elderly man, Kody's father, you know he's kind of one of those handsome old guys, right?

A.

Little John Wayne thing going.

Yeah, I just, I was like, OK, yeah, you're, you're an old rancher.

Like it was not, not bad, not a bad look anyway.

But yeah, just that he's getting older and things like that, that he, you know, used to be so out and about and doing things and then he's just barely leaves the house now.

So they kind of talked a lot about him in the beginning and really did just kind of brush through the wives and not get a give a lot of explanation.

Yeah.

So it was interesting, Yeah.

How the?

Ranch life has kind of taken a toll on him to an extent, which is interesting that they point out because he win is not with us for a very long time in this show.

So it's interesting that they point that out that they're like, it seems like, you know, well, the wives are definitely going to outlive him.

And it's like, yeah, that is true.

Interesting.

But I was confused about the wives.

I I didn't quite understand.

And was it Maddie who said, and this is Cheryl, this is my mom, Janelle's mom?

Yes.

Yeah, and and that was like the only did bid on it for like a hot 2nd.

For a hot 2nd.

So.

And Cheryl, we met last episode when they went to New York.

She was the only grandma that they spoke to on camera or that made it to edit.

And so it was almost like a yeah, this is Grandma Cheryl.

Like, well, yeah, we already met her.

But once again, no tie in to how they're actually intertwined or well, how they're intertwined through Janelle, etcetera.

We'll get, we'll get to that.

In a spotlight moment, an interview moment, Kody talks about how he didn't want to bring up the investigation to his parents.

He didn't want to bring it up around them because of phone calls they'd already had where they were concerned, obviously, and their whole reason for going.

And part of the reason is we want to get away from this.

And so he said he wasn't going to bring it up.

I don't know.

Did that spark anything in you?

No, I guess I kind of like that they thought about that in advance and made it an intentional thing because I kind of imagined they had to have conversations with the parents about that prior to being there.

Because otherwise you would assume we would catch some questions being asked here and there or something, or at least some conversations being had about it.

And that definitely didn't happen.

But good for them I guess, you know?

Like, if you don't want the weight of all of that to ruin this weekend and you really want your intention with your kids when you guys are out in nature on a ranch and doing all like, I kind of totally understand the separating it from everything else.

And we are in our own little haven and we are going to stay here and pretend that the rest of the world doesn't exist, You know?

So like, good for them that they intentionally did that so that they could not focus on things that they're not going to change that moment, right?

Yeah, I was kind of sparked by Kody talking about it, wondering about how people, which I do is kind of be like, we're not going to deal with that right now and just kind of whatever.

And I was like wondering if there was some tie into some sort of denials of things.

But then I don't feel like I ever circled back to that in the episode.

I don't think anything else came out where it was like Kody was doing something.

And I want to say deceptive, but avoiding to a point of unhealthiness.

It just seemed like a healthy avoidance, let's say that.

Yeah, I I would agree.

I think it, I think it was healthy and fine and acceptable that they did that.

I didn't see anything like strategic or manipulative with it.

I do think it'll be interesting because I can't recall how much information we get about this investigation.

And I'm sure that to an extent, while they may tape some things about it, there might have to be things that like depending on how long the editing process the case lasts that this and that that there, there might have to be things they're very careful about saying on camera, right?

Like, I, I mean, to what extent though really, I guess I don't know.

So I, I can't remember how much we learn about what comes from this.

If it's just a nothing burger.

If it turns into a big deal.

It it does circle back, but there is a lack of detail and I think it's kind of because it's ATV show and it's and it's to a certain extent like they don't go into a lot of detail.

I don't recall.

We'll see.

Right, like like we're pinpoint, you know, watching.

We will watch this space so.

Matter.

We'll let you know.

If you keep listening, we'll let you know.

Or hopefully, I mean we're actually not promising anything because we will not necessarily remember that we were wondering about this, but currently we are wondering and hope that we'll let yes circle back we'd.

Be on brand for us to be like, how about you guys let us know if this comes up again, you let us know.

If we forget, yeah, you can tell us that we forgot.

And you were saying that we should have done better.

And that is Amen and.

We will accept the criticism, we will deny it, and we'll move on.

No, we will accept it, but we will not commit to changing it and it will just be more of a thanks, love you.

Yep, wink wink.

See you next time, but don't expect better.

Amen.

They talk again about or I don't remember if someone had a voice over or what the deal is, but that the two main points of what's going to happen in Wyoming, their two goals is to prime and paint Janelle's house.

So that's fun that they're going to do this upkeep and when they show the initial show, it's seen better days.

It needed.

It it needed it, it looked almost like when you see something photographed that a photographer has of like a country small little home up in the middle of nowhere.

But it was where Kody's mom lives.

She does make reference to, you know, Oh, well, you're ranchers and you're busy and, you know, we don't have time to paint.

And I'm not quite sure what to say about that.

I think I've seen plenty of ranches and farms where things are taken care of.

But I should say things.

It just was interesting.

It looked like it got really far as far as, I should say, disrepair, But I don't know.

I've never lived in a home that looked like that from the outside.

I don't know what that means.

Well, here is what I was going to say.

One, did we ever see the inside of the house?

I don't remember.

So you know, when Janelle and Cheryl are cooking later?

I don't remember what house they're.

In I think they're in Cheryl's house, which is, by the way, a beautiful house on the ranch.

So here's the second piece.

So she referenced, yes, the wood has never been painted.

We never had time to paint.

So I think it gives this appearance like it's this rundown, ruggedy old shack.

Yeah, But I think it looks far older than it is.

Yes.

I think that the wood, because it was never treated or painted.

You know how if you leave a piece of wood out with nothing on it, it looks like shit very fast.

Yeah.

So it could be a newer home.

That's really not a bad home, but it just looks like shit from the outside.

Yeah.

So yeah, I needed a paint job, definitely did.

And that was their one of their several projects for the weekend.

Yes, one of two and the other one is working with Uncle Tim to move cattle.

So that's, I mean that's obviously a big part of ranch life and they do reference it.

We'll talk about it a few more times in this episode.

But the cattle and then painting Janelle's house, those are our two goals.

We find out they're going to break it into 3 phases, priming, painting and then doing the trim.

So while they're priming, it's pretty cute because they show the kids doing some stuff and there's a cutaway to Isabel has some paint on her face.

And I don't know if Christine's like, oh, and you're like what's happening?

Like what happened?

And it was a little cute to see them doing their thing.

They were kind of playing with each other with the brushes, chasing Robin, which I was like, get her, you know, So that was fine.

That was a cute little moment.

Yeah, I thought it was great.

There was a, I think a moment where the grandma said paint the house, not each other.

Yeah, you know, and it's like, yeah, Amen.

But even that being said, at least at the beginning, I think towards the end when they were on more of the time crunch, it was a little more stressful and directed what people needed to do.

But at this point they're being cute about it and certainly not caring if people are getting paint all over themselves and stuff like that.

It's kind of nice when the like I I would freak out if my kid was covered in paint.

I would be like, Oh my God, this is so, you know, whatever.

And they're not letting any of that bother them.

And I think it's great because it just carefree for everybody.

It felt very playful, which was great to see.

They do a cutaway to Janelle and Cheryl on the couch.

I thought these were so interesting.

I think I agree.

I feel like it's probably our most interesting interview moments to date.

And they're talking about shakeups with new wives joining a family and referencing and it's pretty universal in lines of work and different technology tools and things.

But spokes in a wheel, and I think it's Janelle or Cheryl.

I know it's Janelle.

They're both talking.

It's hard for me to remember who said what, but I think it was Janelle that talked about how spokes in a wheel, when you add another one, that all of the spokes need to change positions to spread out evenly.

But when the exercise of doing that is done, there's more supports to support the wheel.

The wheel is stronger.

It's.

Stronger.

And I thought that was a good metaphor.

I mean, it wasn't hard for me to understand.

It might be hard for me to say right now, but it wasn't hard for me to get while watching and I thought it made sense.

Yeah, they talked about how there's always that shaking up, right?

Like there's always that it's, it's not going to be perfect.

And they certainly had moments like that, right?

I do believe it was Janelle that said it was hard for her.

So it was her idea, though, supposedly, for them to enter this lifestyle.

But she got very jealous.

So it reminded me Meri Ish, but she got very jealous and it took a lot of time to work that out.

She also made the comment that she was the one taking care of the kids and Cheryl was taking care of Wynn, and boy did that seem like a distinguisher.

And boy, does that kind of resonate with Kody Brown.

She said something like Cheryl was good with business and then, you know, Cheryl took care of Wynn.

So there was a little bit of something where I feel like that's maybe that was the start of it, or maybe that's the first thing she noticed is that that was their connection.

And, you know, Janelle is like minded.

She's, yeah, autonomous in her own way and whatever.

And yeah, it was hard for me to read into what they were saying because.

And part of the reason that I liked these moments with them is that they are older women, women of a certain age.

They've been through life, so even when they're talking about their stuff, they seem relatively unreactionary.

They don't seem like hurt or harbored by it like they're they've moved past it now.

Listen, they made it through it.

They made it through it.

And so them talking about it with this honesty that it was a bit disarming in a way.

I don't, I don't even know what to say.

Like, I, I loved hearing them, but there was something about that with Wynn versus the children.

They didn't get into it too much though, Like they didn't dive into that.

I feel like I have a sneaking suspicion that if the Browns lived closer to this family that the Brown family would still be together.

Yeah, I think so too.

I think they would be living at maybe it's not a ranch lifestyle in Wyoming, but a similar, you know, like the setup that would actually work for their family.

Be supported with those, you know, like minded type of family members that have been through the ringer, that know exactly what you're going through that can say, listen, this is how we got through it or this is what we did and you fucking don't don't do this.

We should have ABC, you know, so interesting.

That's a, that's maybe a big reach for just this one vacation that we're seeing.

But yeah, hearing their knowledge and the experiences that they've gone through and then watching exact same experiences play out in real time in theory, like, weird.

Yes, they seemed very honest and vulnerable, but not a lot of detail was given, so it's a little hard for me to track, but it was great to see them together.

I I leaned in and listening.

I thought they were great.

Absolutely.

The show, a scene where they're outside, I'm not sure if this is when they were priming.

I, I didn't, I, I don't remember that detail.

But the adults, some of the adults are standing to each other with Kody and his mom Janelle in front of him.

And she has a paper plate that she's holding that has a breakfast burrito on it.

And Kody talks about how he just his mom just loves him.

She would take a bullet for him.

She'd take a knife for him.

He she would do anything for him.

And he like, reaches around her, almost like from behind in this kind of familiar physicalness, like I'm your kid and I'm just reaching around mom and I'm going to take your burrito and I'm going to eat it right in front of you.

He took at least a bite.

I don't know, maybe it was too.

I don't, I didn't pay that much attention.

But he started eating her breakfast burrito and doing it as a signifier that like, oh look, my mom would do anything for me.

My mom loves me.

She's such a great mom.

I think in his twisted sense, he's thinking that, oh, it's demonstrating that she would do anything for me and she's so great.

What a great mom.

It comes off as you're a selfish asshole and you're eating your mom's fucking breakfast right in front of she's literally holding the plate outdoors, which to me makes it feel like everyone else had their opportunity to eat breakfast.

And she's probably just getting to her breakfast as a mom and he's taking it and eating it in front of her and being like, look, and she's not going to say something that she's not going to be like, no, actually, you're a bastard asshole of a son and you're eating my breakfast right in front of me.

She's just like standing there.

And it made me cringe because it felt very Kody to eat someone else's breakfast and to demonstrate that they're not going to do anything about it.

And I felt bad for her because it's like, Oh my God, just let the woman eat her breakfast.

Like what the fuck?

I can say that my reaction to a similar situation could go one of two ways.

If my child was being just fairly jokey and cute and whatever and took a bite of my burrito and I was in the right frame of mind, I might be like, get out of here dude, that is mine and it is not yours.

Now there's an alternative mind frame that if I'm not in a good place, I could be brought to tears.

OK, Like, absolutely not.

You are not taking my burrito from me like tears.

I think what bothered me the most about it, though, was that what you were saying kind of was that.

Yeah.

My mom just loves me so much.

The the, I don't remember if it's the exact words that he said, but it's definitely the vibe that I was getting.

And it wasn't just that she loves me.

It was that.

And because of that, I can do whatever I want to do.

Yeah.

And I can do whatever I want to do, including take her breakfast.

Like, that's kind of how he started it off.

And sure, he was being jokey, and she certainly didn't seem to mind that we could tell.

But like, I don't know, I it was that it was that I can do whatever I want.

And I think Kody Brown was raised to believe that he can do whatever he wants.

That's probably part of the dynamic, yes, I think with his mother.

Correct.

I think there's probably a very different dynamic with his father that we will get into.

His whole male obsession, his whole desperation for male approval that doesn't come from his mom, his entitled asshole thing comes from his relationship with his mom, perhaps apparently, allegedly, apparently, allegedly just surmising from that scene because it was one of those scenes where it's like, it's not about what it's about.

It seemed like a little thing, but really it's like, whoa, this is such a signifier of so many things in the future.

Yeah agreed 150% but then after the paper plate burrito incident.

Panda, Janelle What?

All of a sudden we get some details.

Oh my gosh, I couldn't believe it.

And she just what?

She just, oh, yeah.

And this is my mom.

And you know, like she just throws it off the cuff so quickly, like, no big deal.

Yes.

And it's very interesting.

And and she then kind of explains why it's no big deal, right.

But it also was just a little fucking weird that your mom is married to your husband's.

Right.

And it is brought up classic Janelle, classic Janelle.

Oh, it's just what it is, blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada, hot throw in a little line here we go.

Move on.

And it's like, girl, like earlier we were introduced to these people in the episode.

Now, of course this is through production and editing, but we're introduced to these people and crucial elements are left out.

Now you are explaining them like it's like, oh, you know, when you tie your shoes, you make the rabbit ears and pull it through.

Then you got a shoe like, OK, girl, but like, your mom is married to your husband's father.

This is going to make people ask questions and people are going to be like, what the hell is this?

And you're making it seem like it's like, you know, well, you know what?

You do this, you know, you lather before you rinse.

I mean, I don't know, Like it was just very strange to me.

Well, it's not like I married my stepbrother.

Oh.

Oh, really?

It's not.

Yeah.

Oh.

Yeah, OK, this was actually the interesting part.

So she started it off by saying that, as I've said before, most of my family disowned me when I chose this lifestyle.

Yes, they had an intervention and you didn't care and you were disowned.

Correct.

And the only person that didn't was her mom.

Yeah.

But interestingly enough, when I started getting into this lifestyle, then my mom started to consider it.

And throughout that process, she met Kody's dad and they got married three months before Kody and Janelle.

So she tries to say it's not really salacious or anything.

Now, I get it.

You didn't grow up with Kody as a sibling in your house.

It's he's not your stepbrother in that sense, I get it.

But this is unusual.

Now this is unusual.

Yeah, it is unusual.

We got back to Janelle and Cheryl on the couch and they talk about supporting their family in different ways, which is a thing that we've discussed multiple times even on this show.

But I thought it was a good confirmation to hear from the older generation about how that they went through that and recognize that, well, my, I have frustrations with you.

Things have been complicated, things have been challenging, but you bring something to the family that I don't and that benefits us holistically.

So I thought it was once again, another cute moment.

Like having these two on the couch was a great thing for this episode.

It was wonderful.

I loved it.

I think they mentioned that they are the very best of friends now.

Now.

Yeah, but it wasn't that way at the beginning.

It took a long time.

And you can, I think you can say that.

I think you can tell that it was only the two of them, right?

Yes.

OK.

So I think that they recognize the jobs that they have in their families, right?

Like what, what their marriage situation is.

But it's kind of unfortunate that they didn't get to wife #3 or maybe that there hadn't been one wife before the two of them.

Only because I don't think they realize that they're missing out on Meri's role in the family of Tooth Puller and packing Nazi and something Goddess, photo goddess and central packing.

Packing.

Yes, yes, yes.

OK, OK, we got it.

Which is so funny that you say that because Meri's the first wife.

So it's so funny how that's.

Like that's what I'm saying.

Maybe there should have been one before the two of them, right?

Like that's that's what I think it.

Should have been so.

They just missed out on that part of it.

Unfortunate for them.

There's one one really important thing that we have not yet discussed about these two women, though.

Oh God, OK.

What were they wearing, Chris?

Oh God, well I remember them walking up in the later part of the episode.

They were wearing blouses.

We'll get to those blouses down the line.

I don't remember what they were.

I wasn't paying attention to what they were wearing.

Well, good news, I can tell.

You.

Oh good.

So Janelle, Yeah, it's the first time I'm saying that name because I've been terrified the entire time.

We're talking stuff.

Janelle is wearing.

It's so funny because I actually have this exact fabric tucked away in a box damask tablecloth as a like jacket blouse thing.

Burgundy damask.

Yes, burgundy damask fabric.

Like the royal floral, like whatever part of it's shiny, part of it's not, but it's the same color kind of stitch and oh.

Yep.

She's fancy.

It's.

I'm not saying it looks bad and I'm not making fun, but boy are these choices I am making.

Fun.

You are making fun, but it's reasonable.

I have the tablecloth.

OK, Yep.

And then our friend Cheryl is wearing, it's a tasteful country blue collared kind of jacket, maybe buttoned with stitching, you know, like quilting in the shape of hearts with a very nice diamond heart necklace.

Oh, so very special.

So they're trying.

No, they it was their fanciest of attire.

They're like, we're we're sitting down for an interview, we're being found.

They're wearing their nicest stuff.

Quote, UN quote.

Now, they you they definitely tried with their appearances in the interviews.

Yeah.

You know, as far as like hair and makeup and things like that.

Like they looked, I mean, compared to on the ranch, they looked much more put together.

And I don't want you to be put together on the ranch, by the way.

Please don't.

It's fine.

No.

Now that you're saying that, I do recall the color of Janelle's jacket or whatever, and I was like, oh, it reminds me of Members Only jackets where there was that color of like this brownish, reddish something.

And what did you say, Damask?

Damask is the the the pattern.

OK, OK, OK.

But it was like a burgundy.

A Burgundy.

Color.

Yes, yes.

Now I love I I didn't really pay attention to their fashions.

I don't know.

Well, I have some more to tell you about later.

We'll go back.

Yeah, I'm a bad gay.

So what a treat, what a treat they are.

And I actually genuinely mean that.

I'm not just being an asshole.

But we had to mention it.

We had to talk about it.

So then we do a cut to the kids outside with some of the adults getting ready to do more of the cattle, driving cattle, whatnot.

There's some terms that get thrown around that I'm not really all that accustomed to.

I recognized and heard the word cattle more than I have in a while, which is great.

I'm very excited about that.

But they're outside.

It's kind of fun because the background's totally Wyoming.

There's like the wood fencing, the like 2 paint, the two logged.

I don't know what you can call that.

And Uncle Tim is talking about getting the cow, like getting the cow ready and how he's like, no, there's no wrestling, which is, you know, not wrestling that thing you do with a girl in a back seat.

Which she says to like a 7 year old.

Yeah, which she's saying to.

I don't know if it was Garrison.

It was definitely.

It wasn't even one of the older kids.

No, it was literally one of the younger kids.

Yeah.

So that was a little weird.

I kind of suspect that he's being filmed and is trying to be a little more or something than he is.

I hope he was definitely.

If the vibe was amping up his, like, funny side.

Was his funny side funny?

I'll let you decide.

No, I'll say no, it's not.

Funny.

After the wrestling joke, which landed nowhere, he warns the kids of being safe with the animals and taking it easy to avoid stressing out the animals and the humans.

He there's some reference about how he does it differently than than Kody's dad used to do or something.

So I don't know what that means.

I feel like there's maybe a little bit of a negative connotation about how when used to run the ranch and how now Uncle Tim is like, we're not going to get anybody anxious, we're going to do this, whatever.

And it did feel like a methodical process holistically.

So can't put him down on his cattle management, but his wrestling joke fell flat.

Well, he actually gave some specific examples of why he does it, how he does it.

OK, so he said we don't yell at cows and we don't yell at people because they get stressed out.

And when people get stressed out or they're moving too quickly, you know, we move slow.

We take our time.

We do this when we don't do that, you get injuries, cows get stuck, horses get stuck, people get bucked off horses, you know, whatever.

And you know, it's quite likely that he is seeing all of those things happen over the years, right?

So I thought that was very funny or not very funny.

I thought it was great and it made sense.

And I think that it is kind of how, you know, ranching, farming, many, many, many industries have changed so much overtime with how people used to do things, right.

So totally understand that Kody did say, yeah, Tim's doing doing things a new way and, you know, seemed kind of whatever.

And then do you remember how Kody started off the cattle drive?

Oh God no.

So there's trying to get the kids like rounded up and whatever.

And I think they had.

I don't think he was just trying to get him into vehicles.

Maybe he was or something, but maybe he was.

But it was move it now let's go.

And it was like like he's screaming at everybody after they've just had this long conversation about we're just going to take our time and do it slow and be quiet and stress free.

Move it now.

Let's go like.

It's trucking.

Classic Kody.

That is so funny.

I didn't put the pieces together when watching and that's actually, you know, I got to give credit to some producers sometimes.

That was great that Uncle Tim is talking about, you know, and, and the reason that I want to give Uncle Tim a little bit of credibility is because it felt to me a bit like work smarter, not harder kind of vibes.

Like where it's like he didn't come across as a clown.

He was trying to be funny.

It wasn't that funny, but he seems like these are good things.

Cut to Kody literally horse turning around me like come on everybody, let's go and.

That is what it was.

It was on the horses.

It was literally like getting it all going.

It was.

It was totally brown fucking moment where the horse is like he's making the horse spin around to like take off to go wherever.

And it was very much a like, look at me, I'm in my moment moment, come on everybody, let's go.

And it was like we just talked about how probably not doing that is best.

Yeah.

Faster is not always better, like sometimes twice as long is just as fine.

And Kody, let me remind you that a day ago you said that the reason everyone's behind is because of you.

So like, let's not just yell at everyone to go like oh God, fucking Kody.

He is so obtuse.

Yep.

So it was pretty cute though.

The kids are hopping up like a lot of the kids that have spent time at the ranch are hopping up on their horses and doing all this.

I almost laughed out loud because Christine just seemed so blown away.

Now, first of all, I can't.

I mean, I'm I'm sure maybe you haven't seen photos of it, maybe not.

But like she seems so shocked by all the grown kids and their behavior on these animals and what they were doing and those types of things.

And granted, her kids don't go there as much.

It doesn't sound like so that she just didn't.

She just didn't know.

But she's seeing all of their kids out there doing this and just like blown away and how talented and how comfortable and how she she gets it now.

I get it.

I was like hysterical that, you know, 20 years in, you finally are like, oh, this is what they mean, right?

You know I like.

How was she kind of so distant mentally from what happens at the ranch that's.

A little weird.

It seemed strange to me now.

It would make sense, of course, that Janelle and Kody's kids would be there more than anybody else's.

So Meri's child hadn't gone up much.

Christine's kids hadn't gone up much.

This was Robin's kids first time.

So the other kids when they had gone, it seemed like part of like family vacation.

And of course you're probably doing little bits of things, but the the Janelle's kids would go and spend the whole summer and so.

But there was something that was weird that she was just having this aha moment because I don't know.

I don't know.

Amen.

It It was great to see Logan, Hunter and Maddie riding on these horses.

They looked like naturals, like they were really great.

Logan at one of the first scenes where they show them all riding off in the horses, he's wearing a cowboy hat and flies off.

And it was cute because then they circle back to him with more footage wearing the cowboy hat and he looks like a natural.

He looks like he should be wearing that cowboy hat.

He should be riding a horse.

He's got it.

And that was great.

Also they show Meri on a horse taken off and she looks like a natural.

Totally.

Meri looked good riding a horse, and I was like, this was not on my cards for this.

For this episode, we're seeing Meri hopping on a horse and taking off.

And I was like, all right, Meri, like she's got some coordination.

She knows how to ride a horse.

Yeah, Who knew?

Absolutely.

Yeah, it was.

It was fun.

I don't know.

It's these genuine moments that I like so much about everything.

Yeah.

That we see back then.

You know, I like that.

I like that.

And as you said, are we really surprised that it's Janelle's kids who have leaned into more of the ranch time and whatever?

No, she also has more of older kids.

Like, you know, literally to have Logan, Hunter and Maddie, they are some of the older kids.

So they get to go and do that shit.

But it looked great.

Oh, I wish they had shown us the the spot of the teepee.

OK.

Yes, that would have been great.

I know.

Janelle, where did you set up that TV for a couple hours back however many years ago?

I wonder if Janelle set up the TV before or after her mother was married to Kody's dad.

Well, there's not a lot of time in.

Yeah.

I mean, it's pretty.

It's pretty short time.

Yeah, it's like a lot happened in those four months.

My mom married his dad, and I moved onto the property in a teepee for two hours, and then I married him.

Like, Oh my gosh, it was a crazy couple once.

Yeah, the fall of 2001.

It was a crazy time.

Like, also nothing salacious here, yeah.

Yeah, just casually mentioning it.

Oh my God.

Oh, and Janelle did have some mascara on while out at the ranch.

And I was like, oh, Janelle's eyes.

She's got some pretty eyes.

They were very blue with her blonde hair.

Every once in a while to know you got to give it to me.

When she's happy.

Like literally that's it.

Like when she.

Was she was literally out there being like living her life?

Yeah, that's I, I think for all of them.

Makeup, no makeup, good outfits, bad outfits.

When they are genuine and they are happy and they're it, it doesn't really matter any of that.

You can just tell like they just look so much better.

Yeah, yes.

So let me go back to Chery's home on the ranch where Janelle and Cheryl are making food for everybody that's out doing the cattle corral.

And they joke.

They joke about feeding everybody.

And it was actually super cute, like their little banter back and forth how they buy.

I was going to say non disposable.

Non perishable.

Non perishable food items and that they had that moment of like, oh, do I need cornbread?

Like do you have any bread?

We've got potatoes.

And I was so cute.

I love the idea of trying to make all this food for all these people.

And they were being great about it being in the same kitchen.

And it, it did remind me of women that are older, like they're the long and the journey.

Like they probably were satisfied by doing this, but it just was super cute.

It was super cute.

It was cute.

I think my one of my favorite lines and I'm going to not get it completely correct, but with something along the lines of well, I never have a problem with them eating what I cook.

It's just if I don't make enough or something like that, there was like OK.

Yeah, they're at home.

Like, I was like, absolutely.

Also they were making chili and then they said the potato bit right?

Don't eat the cornbread.

Got the potatoes.

I didn't even realize baked potatoes.

Baked potatoes and chili.

Are you killing me or killing me?

Are you kidding me?

Are.

You killing me?

That's amazing.

Are you killing me?

Well, I'll, I'll slow down on my drinks, but that's.

Amazing.

I it sounded so delicious.

Yes, we already ate dinner, but I'm like, I want a fucking baked potato and some chili and some cheese and some sour cream and some chives and Oh my God.

Amazing.

So yes, good job.

They were adorable.

So after they show us some of the meal making we flashback to couch interview moment right where she is saying Janelle sorry is saying that she believes that after well, kind of that they don't believe Kody's dad is maybe going to be with us that much longer.

But that she believes that even after Kody's dad passes, that Janelle and Cheryl will still remain together and kind of live their lives how they are currently right?

Even even when he's no longer there.

She says that she thinks that their Janelle believes.

She kind of gestures to Christine, Meri and Robin and and she believes that their relationships would continue if something happened to Kody, right?

Which Robin emphatically agrees.

Of course, Of course.

Now listen.

It made me puke and then I swallowed it and I puked it back up and I swallowed it again.

If Kody had croaked 2 weeks after that interview, yeah maybe they would all stay together.

Pretty sure not.

Yeah, Robin would have kept.

She would have been the glue that kept everyone together.

So like how funny that they're even trying to pretend that this single man is not with.

They have not gotten companionship with each other yet.

At this point I don't even think Christine and Janelle would have remained.

They weren't even friends.

They were.

No one is really all that tight.

And so no, they're not.

And I think that Cheryl and Janelle have had all that time and really done that work and gotten through the hard times.

And maybe I'm giving them more credit than what they deserve at this point, too.

I don't know.

But yeah, no, obviously we know that there's no way that they ever that.

They would have no, they would not have stayed.

They wouldn't, they wouldn't know each other.

And you know, and that's why I have actually brought up Janelle and Cheryl's age more than once is because I feel like there's a bit of a thing with entering autumn of life, getting into older age where you there's less of a fight against things.

There's less of a desire to change things.

I feel like you settle in with people, you learn these things.

And yes, they had things to get over and maybe they did grow to appreciate each other.

But I definitely think part of that is age.

I think they are women of a certain age that are like, we are great friends now.

And it's like, well, if you were part of the same community, even as part of a family, by a certain point you probably become friendly, get over some things, et cetera.

There's a level of acceptance, Yeah.

You accept the things you cannot change, right?

Yes.

And I think that most people have to come to a level of that to get through lots of situations.

Yeah.

And why do you know?

Look at me like that when you said that.

I wasn't meeting, you know, some people are better about that than others.

And you know that was not a shade at you so.

She's just trying to get to this podcast with me, everybody.

Again, I forgot I was going to put out the alert at the beginning.

You guys, I'm still being held captive in the basement.

Help me, help me, help me.

He's turning me over to Kody soon.

Allegedly the fifth wife.

If you don't know what we mean, you have to go back and listen to the other episode.

Yeah, last our last episode, yes.

I think we're going to make it though.

I think we'll be OK.

Yeah, Then we go back to the drama, the drama unfolding on the ranch.

Mckelty leaves on a horse.

And there's been some warnings from people about don't go on this horse, don't go on this boy horse.

They mentioned boy horse.

I don't really know what that means, but it's a male horse.

But yeah, don't go on this horse.

So this horse is trouble like blah, blah.

Mckelty gets on the horse.

We love Mckelty.

I'm Mckelty's number one fan.

So she gets on this horse and she leaves, and then apparently the horse comes back without her and she flies off the horse, though, while it's going crazy and she lands on her hip.

Kody says that he sees this whole thing.

I'm not sure that he saw it.

I don't know if I believe him, but whatever.

And then he runs out to help her.

You, you don't believe that he thought this is the thing I.

Don't know if I don't know.

They make these dramatics out of the Horse Comes Running back without Mckelty, but Kelsey is like 20 yards from them.

She's not sober away.

I shouldn't say that I don't know that I believe Kody.

I just don't know what I don't believe about this scenario because they're making it sound like no one saw it, but then Kody saw it and.

But she was also like right fucking next to that.

Like you could see her.

Like she was right there.

They made it sound like all of a sudden we came upon Mckelsey lying in the grass and it was like, no, you looked over to the right and Mckelsey was lying on the ground like.

But they don't have any footage of her falling off the horse, which is why I kind of feel like maybe no one saw it.

And then Kody talking about it like he saw it.

And maybe I'm misplacing my rage on Kody.

But really, there's some something messed up about that.

But at the end of the day, she falls off this horse, blah, blah, blah, She's on the ground.

Kody comes over the knight in white shining armor and guides her up.

Does the whole like step by step, like get on your knees, get on your legs, you know, can you put weight on yourself, blah, blah, blah.

He keeps touching her shirt on the backside as if he's going to inspect, and she's no, no, don't, no.

It hurts.

And eventually she's standing up straight and he pulls up her shirt and she has like a bruise on her lower back.

You winced like, oh, is it going to be bloody or?

What is it going to be?

I know because it did seem like what is it going to be and then it turned out it was like a little bruise on her body.

Not not trying to downplay it, I'm sure it hurt a lot but it was a bruise on her muffin top.

On the backside.

And then that's that.

Well, that's that.

Actually, no.

No, I mean, yeah.

That is not that, that's not that, but OK, so a few things develop.

Cheryl's a nurse, right?

So they go and get her expert guidance and yeah.

Christine puts Mckelty in a van to bring to Cheryl's place because Cheryl's a nurse and she's going to examine her.

But while Christine does that and cares for their child who has been thrown off a horse, Kody stays to teach that horse a lesson.

Yeah, he does.

Yeah, that's what you do on the ranch.

Do you think maybe somebody else could have though and he could have gone with his kid?

Like do you think there's a rule that it's the father of the child that got thrown off of the horse that has to teach at the?

Last, he definitely had to step into that role.

Like Uncle Tim could have definitely done this.

The ranch hands that are there all the time could have done it.

But no, Kody had to do.

It also who the fuck cares?

You don't live there.

It's not your horse, it's not your ranch like whatever I And by the way, the horse doesn't need to be taught a lesson.

Your child does.

Because the horse everyone knows is not supposed to be ridden yet it is not trained.

This isn't the horse's fault.

Yeah, yeah.

And.

And Gwendolyn's like approaching the horse.

Well, Kody, because Kody gets on the horse.

Because.

He's teaching it the lesson.

Right, which I don't remember if we saw him getting on the horse or not, but he's teaching this horse the lesson.

All of a sudden he's on the horse and Gwendolyn's running towards the horse and he's like, get away, get away.

I told you to get away.

This is a serious thing.

And it's like, I don't know, it was hard to gauge.

It felt like no one else kind of knew what was going on.

Kind of one of those dad's moments that I've talked about before where it's like the dad's doing whatever.

No one else knows what the fuck's going on.

And it's like, you could use your words or you could do something like, I'm sure the kid, poor Gwendolyn, probably was just like, oh, it's like a moment.

It's fun.

And meanwhile, no, get away from the horse.

But Kody had to take his moment to do that.

Well, and as we will see later in the episode too, like they pick and choose when they set boundaries for their kids.

OK, so it's it's this reminds me that literally actually funny reminds me.

My parents never told us no.

Like they didn't, they kind of just let us do.

We were going to do and, you know, learn our lessons and blah, blah, blah.

And I remember the one time they told me no and I was I wanted to go to a 16 plus dance club night an hour and a half away from home.

In St.

Cloud, MN, I did.

Oh, I think I'm familiar with those 16 plus nights, yeah.

And they said no, they were not comfortable with me going.

I was like, excuse me, what?

No, I've never heard such a thing.

Did I go on the specific date and time that I asked him about going?

Well.

No, I did not.

You wouldn't disobey like that.

Did I stay at a friend's house the next weekend and go?

No.

Yes, I did.

OK.

Yes, I did.

Oh, terrible experience too anyway, but that's kind of the risk when you don't put boundaries for your children, then you just try them and they're like funny, right?

So I don't know, it was something else, but Kody like just go take care of fun kid.

Right now couldn't be concerned with Mckelty had to be concerned with correcting the horse, right.

No one else was available for that.

So, and like we said, Mckelty's put into this the back of a suburban and driven to.

The one that's still running.

Yeah, the I'm having flashbacks to my childhood being like, yeah, we do have one car that's running, like, oh, God.

And so she's laying.

Mckelty is laying in the back of the Suburban as they pull up to Cheryl's house, and Cheryl comes out to the vehicle and tells her to push with her leg.

Like she's bracing her body up against her foot while Mckelty's laying in the car.

I don't know if it looks good or bad or whatever.

I don't know what this should look like, but she's laying in the back of this Suburban and Cheryl's saying push against me and she's able to.

So Cheryl's going.

I don't think anything's broken.

I think she just needs to go to the chiropractor.

Well, this is what I noticed though.

Cheryl said like, not like main concerns about broken bones or anything like that, but that she was out of alignment, right.

So she said she was out of alignment.

And then Cheryl said, so we're going to call the we're going to call somebody who could take care of that, right?

And she stopped herself short of saying chiropractor.

OK, OK.

And so at that moment, I was like, is this, you know, 'cause I mean, for a period of time and still probably a period of time today, chiropractors, there can be some that have questionable practices or questionable promise as a result.

But also like, it's a legitimate field and aligning bones and bodies is important too.

So like, I don't know, there's some interesting shit though, right?

So to me, it seemed like Cheryl didn't want to say that that's where they were sending her, but Christine is about to hop in the car and she's like, Yep, we're going to the chiropractor and like, literally doesn't care.

And so I'm like, maybe I was over like analyzing what Cheryl said, but there was a something about it that she stopped.

There's a reason that she paused and the reason that she paused.

It is the same reason that I'm going why are you going to a chiropractor?

Well, why are you going to a chiropractor?

I would go to an emergency room.

Do I genuinely think that Cheryl thinks she fell off a horse and is just unaligned?

No.

I think it's part of the culture that you don't go to urgent care, you don't go to the emergency room.

So chiropractor is the default for some things.

She did fall off a horse.

She might be on aligned and that might be a great reason.

That might be a good thing to say in 20 minutes from when this happened, blah, blah blah.

Through editing, cutting, all the things.

It feels not right to me to bring a teenager to the chiropractor after they've fallen off a horse.

Yeah, it would not be my go to, just to be super clear.

Like that would not be my go to.

However, if I was in a family that had a nurse that could like what's what's the triage?

Yeah, things a bit.

Because she makes it clear that she's like, I'm not diagnosing, I don't, I'm not a diagnostic or something she has a term for.

It she, I think diagnostic or something like that.

So it seemed like she completed triage of some sort to kind of at least determine like you would probably think that if it was organs or something else, there would be some other sign of discomfort and stress other than just the touching in the places that they were getting.

And so maybe it does make sense that it's a chiropractor if you actually have a nurse that is educated enough in the this area, these fields to kind of like help.

Do I, I don't know, I don't know.

So if there was a nurse on property telling me that maybe that's the next right step, maybe then like even today I'd feel differently about it.

But like, just in general, if that were my kid, we would be going to an emergency room, you know?

However she comes back, they say her hip was out of alignment.

She's still limping a little bit, but she's fine.

Yeah.

You know.

So it is funny that the approach to whatever happens is like default to like, not actual urgent care or emergency room.

Mckelty comes back and is Mckelty.

And I'm like, how much of this is you being Mckelty?

Because I think the whole thing is you being Mckelty.

You weren't supposed to be on this horse.

You got flung from the horse.

You're a drama queen.

You got a bruise on your muffin top and now whatever.

So we do know that muffin top is at the.

Well, I guess maybe muffin top can go all the way around, huh?

Usually I think of it as the front.

Oh, I thought the muffin top was on the side.

Oh, those are love handles.

That's why I earlier I said but on the back because I'm like.

Yes, yes, OK.

But I guess if you think about a muffin.

I know.

Well, let's just call it her Bagel Bites.

Oh my.

God, she got a bruise on her bagel bite.

Anyway, you have listed off a few of our favorite Mckelty qualities, which is wonderful.

Yes, Let's also not forget to acknowledge one of the other M sisters, Miss Maddie.

Yes, Maddie, God bless her.

I just want to say I told you so, so bad.

Yeah, yeah.

Amen.

And.

She's like, yeah, because I fucking did.

Fucking told her not to do it.

And what is that stupid bitch too?

She jumps up on that fucking horse and here she is.

Here she is.

And so you can say yeah, because she literally did tell her.

So, and I love later how in the episode she's like, Oh yeah, and we have to have these younger kids learn lessons kind of like Mckelty in the horse.

And it was like, yes, because literally Mckelty probably did actually need to learn that fucking lesson.

Like listen.

But Maddie also acknowledged she goes, look, I didn't say anything right when she got back because I wanted to make sure she was OK, but she's obviously fine.

And so I do still want to reiterate that you fucked up and it's all your fault.

He Maddie in this instance.

For sure.

Well, no 100%, but it was just she, she restrained herself.

But then she was like, I am not stopping.

And I 100% feel that.

I feel that.

Oh, it was so good.

So then they go back to the cattle and they describe how the cattle go through shoots at the corral, which is like, you know, the guards that you see now, most of us didn't grow up with cattle and cows and whatever, but they go through these shoots at the corral and they're doing it so that they can vaccinate the cows.

And it was interesting to me because they have, after the cow gets a shot from the vaccine, they mark them by putting A tag in their ear.

And I grew up across the street from a dairy farm, some sort of cattle thing out in the country, out in the boonies, like where you grew up.

And when I was young, I didn't know.

We didn't know what the tags signified, but sometimes they would write the names on the tags.

So we would be near the electric fence and we'd be looking and there'd be like Daisy and Olive in sunshine.

And we'd be like sunshine, Daisy and Olive, like, Oh my gosh, these cows have names.

We'd make up scenarios about what the cows did and what their lives were.

And then randomly they'd be out walking down the road and we'd have to call the police to be like, the cows are out on the road and like, that's like country living.

And I've kind of felt like it was fun to watch them doing this.

I shouldn't say fine.

It was something to watch them doing this stuff with the cattle where it was like, oh, I've seen this my whole life and I didn't even know what it was about.

You referenced the electric fence, Yes.

OK, Yeah.

And this gives me a flashback to my days of working at the True Value hardware store in rural America.

God bless.

And I will never forget one of the old men farmers that would come into the store and he'd just wander through whatever else.

And he walks by a shelf one day and he picks up this box and it's an electric fence tester.

And he goes, who would have thunk that?

And my mom is like, yeah, pretty handy, I guess.

And he goes, well, it's getting real hard to get those kids to touch it, you know, like, Oh my gosh, he can't get his kids to grab onto the electric fence anymore.

I think we can find better ways, Sir.

Well, and across the street from my parents house, the neighbors own that bit of land and on the front side of the dairy farm are these cows.

They made a a couple of golf holes in this.

They would just mow it and put golf holes and we would go hit balls and try to get in the hall and whatever.

And one time we hit a ball over and I took the Golf Club and just went to lift up the fence so my brother could go under it.

And it shocked the shit out of me.

I mean, it's funny because you, it's one of those things where it's like wasn't really that bad, but while you're in it, it's like obviously altering in whatever ways.

So I like lifted the thing up and dropped it and was like, oh, that was crazy.

And it was like, right, you just touched an electric fence with a Golf Club.

So I'm, that's me.

I also peed on that electric fence and that was the same experience.

It isn't different if it goes in your penis or in your hand, it's the same thing.

It's like my body's just stopped and I got to move over to the side and gather my thoughts.

Like.

Yep, there you go.

So pee or touch it, it's going to do the same thing.

Well, I've done neither of those, but I am so thankful that you have shared that with me.

I appreciate it.

And no one else.

So the grandmas deliver the dinner to the corral.

Yeah, OK to all the workers, which I love that.

Like, I kind of love this setting up in the middle of the country and doing the nest.

It was great.

Grandma Cheryl was very well.

So here's the thing.

Part of me initially was like, because she's fine.

We've all.

Eaten right, She she was trying to get everybody's attention and nobody was fucking listening to her.

And it was a lot of shit and she kept trying and I'm like, listen, like they'll fucking figure it out.

It's food.

But but you know what?

You know why she's trying so hard to tell them?

Because she knows that these people are going to continually go through what is this?

Where is that?

What should I, oh, what?

How am I supposed to have this?

Like, she's not stupid.

She's not.

Meanwhile, it's a table with chili, potatoes and whatever like you serve yourself.

Like, I mean, it's not, it's not rocket science, but I think that she knows that she needs to to give some info for some reason.

She also like tried to say, you know, workers go first.

Well, no.

There was no order or rhyme or reason to who people went and got food, but they all loved it.

It was cute.

Like I just yeah, that was a fun moment.

I did notice how one of Robin's kids, and I think it was Aurora, was itty bitty grabby, grabby, blah blah blah.

Like while Cheryl was being like OK everyone, I need your attention everyone OK, stop touching.

Stop touching.

One of Robin's kids was like, and it was like, Oh my God, Robin's so concerned about.

She's always, like, hovering.

She's a helicopter mom.

She's so concerned about everything.

It's like, get your fucking kid in line, Robin.

Yeah.

It's not about her kid being out of line.

It's that Robin's an idiot.

Anyway, Robin's kid is being crazy.

Cheryl's, like, everyone listen to me.

And then it was funny how at some point in time, she literally was like everyone listen.

And like everyone stopped.

It was like, yeah, fucking listen.

Now.

Did she say here's chili, here's potatoes and here's your plates?

Yes.

But I I thought of it like how if it was me, I would either be yelling like she'd kind of did, although, you know, her yells, not really a yell.

She wasn't really yelling, but I'd be yelling or saying nothing at all.

And how like I as a human was like, Yep, I don't know that I actually would have yelled.

I think I would have been like, all right, I'm done.

And I would have just walked away and been like, fucking figure it out.

And they would have.

Favorite moment, especially now that you mention that Aurora or one of the children, Robin's children was maybe being chaotic.

After grandma screams and everybody starts trying to get under control, the camera pans to Kody and Robin at the very left hand side of the screen, arm in arm, lovey dovey with each other and I'm like.

I'm so glad I missed that.

I feel like I feel like there have been some conversations about this right?

The affection around the other wives and I'm just a little confused.

Interesting, I didn't notice that.

Yeah, so they were snuggling.

Meanwhile, Robin's children are out ruining the world.

But whatever.

One of my favorite moments of this episode was a spotlight moment for dear, sweet, young, innocent Garrison.

They're talking to the kids at one point, productions interviewing them about the day.

They've got their spotlights.

It's night time, sitting in the back of a truck doing whatever.

They're out in the country and they spotlight to Garrison and he goes.

Cows are annoying.

Oh my God, yes.

It was so good because they were teeing it up with the kids being like everything was great, everything was wonderful and Garrison.

It's like cows are annoying.

And I was like, yes.

I don't think I realized that was Garrison.

I did note the enthusiasm.

That was great.

That was totally me as a kid.

Like, cool.

They did a couple couch interview moments with like the older kids and this one has nothing to do with what they were saying, but Mckelty, Did you see Mckelty?

Yeah, yeah, her red bobbish thing.

Bob, but with like a Carl, it's almost like a 50s Yeah, dude, but.

It was like a Lego piece.

It was weird.

It was a Lego hair.

Good call.

Good call.

Yeah.

And like, the brightest of Reds.

So, like, freshly dyed.

I'm sure it.

I'm sure it toned down within about 40.

It was like burial.

The Little Mermaid doll.

Oh yeah, this was Zach from the the Valley.

Oh, fake hair Lego piece.

I don't, I think we, well, I don't know.

It'll be curious if we see that hair again.

I it just was like, that's all I noticed.

It was very, it was very vivid.

It was literally like a wig.

Yeah, it was straight up like a.

Wig yes.

Oh, that was crazy.

Towards the end of the dinner they are talking about everybody kind of going back in and getting settled for the night and then they kind of clarify the sleeping arrangements.

I don't know if it was a question they were asked and that's why they were elaborating or if they just felt the need to share, but Janelle said she's staying at her mom's.

With her kids.

With her kids, Yeah.

Robin and her kids are staying with Kody's mom.

Just to get to know her better.

Yeah, yeah, very important.

And I kind of it was funny, I don't think the camera panned out a lot when she said that, but I wanted to see the otherwise faces same and we didn't get to same.

So Robin is staying there.

They don't say where Kody is staying that I recall.

But if I had to make a guess with.

Meri, I'm sorry.

Absolutely.

Where I was going with that.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Christine and Meri get hotel rooms, but Christine did note that some of her kids stayed at the ranch too.

So some of them stayed with their their siblings and stuff.

So I thought that was interesting because obviously, yeah, there wasn't space and room for all of them there and it didn't look like they were tenting it or anything, so.

And I mean, it does make sense in a way that Robin would stay with Kody's mom to develop further, develop their relationship.

She's the newest wife in the family.

It's just kind of wink, wink, nod, nod.

Irony that of course Robin's staying with Kody's mother and Kody is staying where?

Yeah, pretty sure it is Mom's house.

Yeah.

You know, I think the reason we think about it and talk about it is because we we do want to know what Meri and Christine felt about it.

We have no idea.

Yeah.

And maybe they were like, fuck yes, I want the hotel.

Yeah, right.

Totally.

It could be no big deal.

Right?

No big deal.

And then we cut to the next day and in the morning, the family is back painting Janelle's house.

And I, I suspect they don't really quite lay it out, but it seems to me like this is when they're painting, painting, like they haven't done the trim yet.

Like it's like they're coming back later in the day to do the trim.

So they're painting a light color on top of a primer.

So it's not visually much different, but they're doing their painting.

And then they do an interview moment with Janelle where she shares a story about Christine's siblings.

Not being able to acknowledge that their father is their dad in public and how Christine shared that with her and that it made an impact on her.

I thought that was that had some significance.

I'm not sure what I took from it, but it was a thing.

My guess is that Janelle, Cheryl, when what have you probably had a lot of questions about why they wanted to sign up for this TV show and why they wanted to put their lifestyle out in public when that's clearly not how it's just goes for a lot of folks, right?

And so I think they've had some conversations about that and that the family has had to answer to those questions.

And I think Christine gives a really good example of how she doesn't want her kids to have to live that way and they would rather be honest and transparent and not she doesn't want to teach her kids to lie to.

People and that's an underlying thing throughout this whole show.

And I try not to like emphasize it too much, but there is this underlying thing of they're lying.

They are lying.

It definitely showed that it helped connect the dots for Janelle as to why they were doing that.

Doing it, yes, but they didn't have to be dishonest in their everyday life.

Right.

And so that's why I think that happened.

And another prop for the older generation.

Thank you.

Thank you, Janelle.

They take a break.

The family takes a break because, you know, maybe this was after they painted and they were going to come back and do trim.

So they had a little moment and they go take a break to climb a rock, which is a funny way, I think Kody said we're going to climb a rock.

I, I don't remember who says it, but we're going to climb a rock.

Well, of course, it turns out it's like a.

Mini mountain.

A mini mountain, yeah.

Like it's a significant little structure out in the country.

Like it's got hillsides, it's got rocks.

It's whatever.

It's not just a rock Robin is for freaking out while they are there helicopter parent about the kids climbing the hills and the ledges being like Aurora.

Don't do that Brianna.

Don't do that, my boy.

Don't do that.

She.

Can't even remember his name at this.

Point No.

I was like, I can't remember his name.

Dayton.

Dayton.

Well, they call him Dayton, even though that's not his real name.

I don't even know what.

His real name?

I believe it's David or something.

It's his daddy's name.

Why does David sound right?

Interesting.

Okay, yeah, not that I knew that.

I think his name.

Might be David Dayton.

Whatever.

David Dayton Jessup.

And after Robin entered Codes life then all of a sudden his name is Dayton.

So yeah.

She certainly was freaking out it.

It's funny because all the other wives are like rolling their eyes like God Robin, chill the fuck out.

She is screaming.

She is screaming as these kids are going up this hill.

And now I get it.

OK.

We were on a road trip, me and my kid, and we were in the Badlands, and he ran up to like this clearing really quickly and he got very close to an edge that was a very significant drop off when he was like 6, you know?

And it was like if and he was with some momentum, right?

So it was like, holy shit, you know, so I get.

That here so she's literally to yell to be like stop.

I get the fear and I think I would be more of a Robin than I would the other three in this scenario, but she is a bit much and she.

She says she's always refereeing.

She.

I'm always refereeing.

She screams Kody.

They're on a Cliff.

Did she really say that?

Oh my.

God, and this is while the other wives are like standing up for.

So The thing is they're talking to others in the family about their trip in this rock, in this experience.

And look at all this stuff, and all you can hear in the background is Robin shrieking at Kody and he.

Playing referee.

Has tuned her out completely.

He is on his own journey.

Talking to Kody.

She's just losing her fucking mind, yeah.

Helicopter mom pretending to play referee, She self-imposed referee.

Who is she refereeing?

What problem?

Is she solved or balanced or stopped?

Get the fuck out of here like.

Literally yes.

Who are you refereeing?

Because the other wives are all pointing out how, you know, you learn life lessons through these things and that failing or getting hurt is a life lesson sometimes.

I didn't.

My take away from the scene was not that they were like, go up and approach the Cliff and see what happens.

They were like, we're gonna let our kids be kids.

We're gonna let them climb the side of this rock, significant rock, a thing with falling off and whatever.

Like it's not that there was not safety concerns, but you don't need to be yelling and screaming at your kids the entire time.

It was weird.

Except that then.

Yeah, except for cut 2 they show the adults.

Literally.

And the older kids climbing up to the top and it looks dangerous as fuck.

No, actually, that's not the moment I'm referring to.

Oh.

God, OK, never mind.

Oh my God.

We're not even there yet.

We're not even there yet.

Not even there yet.

OK, so we are watching Janelle, Meri, Robin and Christine.

Yeah, be interviewed.

OK.

And they are talking about the freedom and the fun they want their kids to have and that they learn for themselves.

Yeah.

Janelle makes a great point, which I liked was that, you know, you have to allow your body to do things to understand how to control your body, right?

So like climbing and almost falling and whatever, like your body learns and you get control and whatever.

Cool, cool.

And then she goes.

But we're always watching to keep the kids safe.

Every single mother was staring away from the fucking rock to a camera at that point.

That one single mother had their eyes on the 16 children.

On the children, yeah.

And their father was playing teenager and they're all looking at a camera while all the kids are behind them up on this fucking massive rock.

We're always watching.

We're.

Always watching, yeah.

Listen, you're not close enough to help really anyway.

Like if anything dramatic happens.

But yeah, I just, it made me chuckle.

It made me chuckle.

Amen.

And I mean, I grew up in a house with three boys, so there was a lot of, like, fuck around and find out.

Yeah, go for it.

I warned you.

I told you, you did it.

You hurt yourself.

Hope you learned a lesson.

So fair enough.

I get that.

I didn't grow up in Wyoming or Utah.

There weren't necessarily walls of rock that we were climbing to get places.

It was more like, well, there was bodies of water, so there was the drowning aspect.

But.

Right.

But like, there are just certain situations that you know can end in death quicker than others and so.

Yes, yes, and.

Sometimes you think about those.

Yeah, maybe.

Maybe, maybe it was just editing, maybe it was my own lens.

It felt like Robin was being excessive in her blah blah blah.

And so I'm going, Oh my God, chill out, chill out, lady.

And then they cut to Kody climbing up the rocks, and then Meri following, and then Christine and whatever port part they were on, it looked dangerous.

It was high.

It was.

High and it could have just been camera angle.

Maybe there was some sort of thing to the right that was like totally easy, breezy, beautiful cover girl.

And to the left was terrible.

But it looked like I would be, I would have to go slow and steady and do whatever, just like the wives.

But it was the thing where like if my kid was going up and I'd be like, Oh my God, Oh my God, Oh my God.

So like, I don't even know what to say.

I would be Janelle on the ground because she was afraid of heights, yes.

She didn't do it.

She didn't do it.

But I do wonder.

So like, like picture yourself a family on the Canyon or whatever, right?

It's not a Canyon A.

Canyon.

Fly on the side of the rock, yes.

So there's a level of this because a cameraman goes up the rock first.

Yeah, cameras up there.

So do you think there's, like, a jokey negotiation happening here?

Like, right, you fucking assholes, if I climb up there, you're coming up, you know, like, that's the cameraman.

It's like, listen, yeah, I'll do it.

I'll do it.

But he's not climbing up there first.

If the rest of them don't, you know, why would he do that?

Yeah, I think Kody would have been, you know, chin for chin, tit for tit.

Yeah, I'm up there with you or whatever.

But the other wives, yeah, I'm.

I'm not surprised, Meri.

I'm not surprised about Meri.

I think Meri would be like, yeah, I'll climb some fucking rocks.

Christine needed some more verbal whatnot from Kody.

I don't know that it was helpful.

It felt a little gross to me, but whatever.

But they all had a little adventure.

That was great.

That was wonderful.

After that, we returned to Janelle's house for the reveal.

The big reveal, the big Revil revolt, the revolt of her newly painted house.

And to me it made a big difference.

Holy shit, huge transformation.

And it looked kind of cute.

Yeah, that's why I'm saying it.

I think it looked way older and trashier than it was.

Yeah, just because of the aging of the wood without anything on it, because that fresh white paint.

Holy shit.

I just wish they had thrown in a few shrubs and a little landscaping.

Right, like her HGTV Touch, where it was like the reveal should have had some new landscape.

Yes, Yeah.

We could have gone a little step further, but you know, we're like.

We're lucky we did this.

Yeah, we're lucky.

We had these thirty people to paint a house and we barely got it done like.

But that was when they started to get a lot more like you guys stop it and just paint like there wasn't any of the fucking around the 1st.

There was definitely the slope of like, we love it, we're having so much fun.

And then by the end it was like literally just fucking.

The paintbrush and get over here.

The wood is just soaking up all the paint.

Just paint Truly, obviously, Truly was a baby at the time, so we're just paint truly.

So she was being hauled around in cardboard boxes and life is good.

But it was a big difference.

It looked great.

It's very cute.

They did a big old group hug with everybody.

It was cute.

I was like, yeah, you're a family.

We're going to backtrack for a second.

The reveal is approaching.

Janelle and Cheryl are walking down the trail.

We're going to revisit their outfits.

Yes.

So today we have Janelle in a purple.

Purple.

Leafy patterned number.

It was nice.

It was actually like.

I was gonna say not flowy, but the fabric was flowy.

Yes, it.

Was like silky Lucy.

Yes.

But not loose like.

She was fine, ish.

Like someone could probably wear that today and not even be like, what are you wearing?

Like it was fine, Ish.

Yeah, now my friend Cheryl.

Yeah, Cheryl was wearing a wallpaper blouse.

I thought of wallpaper from a church.

Straight up, it was wallpaper.

It was wallpaper.

And it it like it had the lines in it with like the borders like it's little.

Like, you got to figure it out.

Like you got to line it up yourself.

You got to line up Cheryl's blouse and when she takes it off, she's got to use like wallpaper remover.

Oh my God, Can you imagine?

Wallpaper is the devil.

Yeah, yeah, it is the devil.

Her blouse was a wallpaper.

It totally was.

We are letting wallpaper enter our lives in small amounts nowadays, but we will not do full rooms ever again.

Maybe.

Hopefully.

Because it's not Cheryl's blouse as a wallpaper.

That was some church basement madness.

I think that was a lovely gesture for them to do as a family.

I think it's really cute to teach your kids to help your family like that.

And then for your kids to be there in that moment and see the appreciation and you know, all of that, like it, it shows that doing things like that for other people is worth it.

And so I thought it was a great exam.

I, I, I guess parenting wise, short of some of the digs we've given them about little stuff here and there, like bang up trip for your kids, like super, super great.

Especially for Mcalty and Janelle says that the house shines like it has a Halo around it, which is beautiful language for a religious person like that meant something to her for sure.

And it actually did the time of day that they were in when you looked behind them, the sun was literally glowing on the roof like it was.

And they didn't redo the shingles folks.

So the roof was still the roof, but it was there was there was a sunlight on that roof.

And then she teared up and got emotional and it was really just super cute.

Super cute and for our favorite part of the show, for everyone's favorite part of the show, Mustard seed and shit stain.

I'm going to go ahead and start with my mustard seed.

I think that's great.

Because God told me to.

My mustard seed this week goes to Janeo because I liked the way that she talked about her relationship with Cheryl and their their growth throughout the years and her appreciation of the home.

She just seemed very genuine to me.

She seemed, she seems like the kind of person where if you were to go sit down with her and talk to her about anything, she would tell you what she really thinks.

There wasn't any bullshit.

There wasn't any ridiculousness.

So I'm going to give my mustard seed to Janelle.

I love that and I think that's wonderful.

Which leaves me the perfect opening to give my mustard seed to Cheryl.

And for like equal but slightly different reasons, but all the same.

Like you can tell that these are mothers, grandmothers that, you know, I think maybe what's kind of funny, and I don't know if it's just because of the distance with where they live or not, but they don't seem hovery.

They don't seem intrusive.

They don't, they just seem like, you know, that kind of family that when you're together, you're together and everything is great and wonderful.

And when you're apart, you try to keep in touch as much as you can, but like, they're still involved in each other's lives, you know?

And I think that that just comes across on so many levels.

And so they both deserve it.

And thank God there's two of us to give it to them.

Yes.

Oh my goodness.

They both deserve mustard seeds.

Shit stain.

Oh God, do you want to take the shit stain?

I mean, I'm happy to.

If you have one ready.

It's Kody Brown.

Yes, OK, OK, OK.

But it's Coney Brown for worrying more about teaching a horse a lesson than his child that he had ero clue of what the potential injuries could be.

Yeah, even though it's Mckelty.

Ike yes.

OK, yes, clearly one of us is a parent and one of us is not.

Yeah, even the kids you don't like, you still have to.

You're obligated to give.

A.

You have to at least pretend to worry.

Yeah, idiot.

Not you, Kody.

Sorry.

Me.

I got both ways.

No, no, I mean Kody.

Oh my God, I love that.

Yeah, the shit stain.

It's funny that you're.

I mean, I think my shit stain is Mckelty for literally getting on that horse and doing that shit.

Now I know she's a kid, but like this is not the first time I'm excuse me, this is the first time.

This is not the last time I will be giving my shit stain to Mckelty.

I don't need to go into any details.

Mckelty, you know why you earned this shit stain.

Our keep sweet moment this week comes to us from a comment left on Spotify for one of our episodes.

Actually season 1 episode 6.

A fourth wife to be and this is from Holly R 2012.

Now, Holly R 2012.

Thank you for leaving us this precious Pearl Ali, I just need you to know that a titty coat is called a bolero.

She says that she has watched Oh, excuse me for gender ring Holly R 2012.

They say that they've watched every episode of Say Yes to the Dress and that a titty coat is a bolero now.

I'd never heard of a bolero.

I have.

That's the word I was looking for now.

While you were saying titty yes, titty no.

Literally, because I knew that there's a phrase for it.

Like I knew that there's a it's like this.

It's like the shawl that just covers her boobs, you know, like that's all.

And I'm giving them like a solid squeeze right now.

But I knew that there was a word for it.

The fact that Holly R 2012 could come up with the the the actual word from the descriptor titty coat.

I think we really like big round of applause because we're speaking the same language apparently.

You Google titty coat and it's like noun bolero.

Thanks Holly R2000.

Oh my God, you mean we could have googled it the whole time?

No, I'm not saying that I didn't.

Oh.

God OK I thought you literally meant like you.

Just did.

You're like.

Obviously that's amazing.

It shows Holly smarts.

So thank you.

We appreciate it.

It definitely shows Holly smarts.

Thank you, Holly, because this is what we need more of is when we are saying things like the titty coat.

It would be so great to hear that.

It's called a bolero.

Thank you.

Thank you for the comment.

I do love that much appreciate it and again guys like tips tricks, anything in the comments like we will clearly we need them yes.

So we appreciate the direction.

We appreciate the positive feedback and we would appreciate if you subscribe to us on YouTube.

We have a YouTube channel and we would love if you subscribe there because we do upload shorts and funny little clips there and you will give a blast out of seeing them and hearing them.

Ali, is there anything that you want to let our listeners know before we wrap up for today?

I think I would just like you all to know that while this is very challenging work, we do it for you.

Someone's got to do it.

Yeah, I mean, but do they, you know?

No one's got to do it.

And yet here we are.

When it comes to this podcast, no one's got to do it.

So thanks so much.

Oh.

Geez.

Yes, Amen.

All right.

Sounds good.

We'll see you when we do our next recap, which is going to be Season 2, Episode 3, coming to you in a week from when you're listening to this now.

Oh my gosh, Amen.

God bless.

Stay safe ladies and gents.

Bye bye.