Hello world, welcome to my Sister Wives podcast.

I'm Chris.

And I'm Allie, we're long time friends who had no idea we were both watching the TLC trainwreck reality show Sister Wives.

Join us as we rewatch Sister Wives, maybe have a drink or two, and share what useless information and insights we can provide.

Listen to us two deadbeat losers judge the Brown family.

That's us all right.

See you on the.

Flip side.

Let me call you sweetheart.

I'm in love with you.

What does the nanny do?

OK, so we're done.

Goodbye.

You.

Shut it off.

Do not twist my words.

Do not make me a victim.

Sweetie.

Just look at the mountain.

That's what you saw.

That day, just a knife in the kidneys over all these years and the sacrifices that I made to love you.

So fuck this show.

That's where I'm starting.

It's fuck this show so much.

Fuck Sister Wives season 2 episode 5 Wife number three hit Sin City.

Boy, this one put you through the rear.

This one has me in my field I.

Guess I can't wait to hear all of them.

I just am.

I'm a little disturbed.

I can see.

I'm a little disturbed, yeah, by the broad sweeping statements and things that mean things that are covered as if it's like we're strolling through the supermarket and we're going down the aisle and we're picking out whichever chips and whatever.

And that's that.

And it's like, Oh my gosh.

Like the entire time I was like, Oh my gosh.

Oh my gosh.

Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh.

But in traditional fashion, nothing really happens.

And I'm coming to terms with my choices.

I'm going to have to do a lot of evaluating later today.

I'm going to be like, what are these choices that I'm making?

Why are Why are we doing this?

Why are we choosing to do this?

Why are we doing this?

Literally no one is forcing us.

No one is making us it is.

Actually, just something we decided to do.

Choices, choices.

So let this be a lesson to all of you choices.

I, I would like to note one thing you said when we finished watching, you said something like, I just kept writing, like I just kept writing things down.

And we will get to a moment.

I, I'm not going to say what it is right now, but we will get to a moment that I realized I was doing the same thing that I hadn't looked up and seen what was happening right in front of me.

Because then once I saw it, I was like, Oh my God, this has been happening the whole time and you didn't know so little teaser there for you that yeah, there was some shit that they were.

There was some stuff and it was all wrapped up in this once again, nothing burger.

This whole this whole episode was the vibe was nothing Burger, but the burger was Wagyu Wagyu.

Whatever it was, it was a burger.

Right.

And so wife number three hit Sin City.

We we, we, we start the episode.

We start the episode.

So the last episode we were carving pumpkins and trick or treating and everything was whatever.

Now there is snow.

There was snow on the ground.

There is snow everywhere.

It is snowing.

It is no winter.

OK, Yeah, that happens.

It is what it is.

Apparently Christine loves.

Vegas, Oh my God.

Christine loves Vegas and that's how we're introduced to this episode is that Christine loves Vegas and I didn't know this not that we would know the wives favorite cities, but it was a little heavy at first.

Christine loves Vegas and then she talks about how she loves Vegas and I love Vegas and her Christine way.

And they also show Kody talking about how he loves that Vegas is cheap, close, easy, blah blah blah, for all the reasons that you would think someone who geographically lives a 5678, I don't know, however many hour drive from Vegas.

Amen 6.

If we believe what they.

Say, if we believe them, right?

So there was this weird intro to the story of how Christine loves Vegas, which I didn't buy from the first second, and then Kody rationalizing that it's a good place to go because it's cheap and it's easy.

And that's what they're going to do is they're going to Vegas.

And Christine, literally, Kody would say a sentence and Christine would say I love Vegas.

And Kody would say another sentence and Christine would say I love Vegas, I love Vegas.

And like times 12, it just continued over and over and over again and over again.

And it was like, we get it.

I think we got it.

I think everybody is clear that Christine loves Vegas.

It's almost like bright shiny things are her thing.

Like I'm just like, Oh my gosh, like what is going on here?

It's like, is she serving the kool-aid or did she drink the kool-aid?

She's she's serving herself the kool-aid.

She's trying.

It's weird.

She's trying to do both she or they, they make it clear that this trip is for time.

They like to have time where they can be their separate individual families.

And that's part of the intention is to have some time just with their kids.

So that I, I guess this is the first maybe example we've seen of Kody taking a wife and only their kids on a trip.

I think there are other ones that happen like to Wyoming and stuff, but we don't know any just from what we've seen.

We've only seen this one.

So that seemed a little different.

It was a lot.

And yes, apparently they're very excited to go to Vegas.

They're packing a little bit in the beginning.

And Kody, and true Kody fashion is taking button ups and folded dress pants and jeans on hangers.

I didn't even notice.

I love that you noticed.

That's only like.

3 seconds that it was in there, but I was like God damn it Kody.

Totally, totally fucking.

Great.

Yes, he can't help himself.

No, no, yeah.

And then I guess I don't.

The only other like they showed just brief moments as they were kind of all getting ready to leave and do their respective things.

And Meri Kody asked Meri to get his dry cleaning.

Taken care.

Of over the weekend and she's like, yeah, not doing that, sorry.

Bye.

Not on dry cleaning duty.

Like you're going away to play.

I'm not staying here to run your fucking errands.

Exactly.

Do it your damn self, which I fucking loved.

I thought that was great.

Yeah, yeah, they do a cutaway where Meri talks about Christine and Kody leaving and how that means alone time, that they get in a weekend of alone time, which of course she's.

Well, my interpretation of that statement means she's viewing it as a weekend without Kody around.

She doesn't straight out say this, but this is the the implication is Kody's not around and she says that when the cat's away, the mouse will play.

No, she said.

When the cat's away, the dogs will play.

Oh, that's.

Entirely wrong.

This is it.

I thought she said the statement wrong and then I was questioning myself.

I'm like, did I?

Did I not?

But I got it right.

She did not she.

Did not.

When the cat's away, the dogs will play, according to Meri.

It seems almost intentional that like when he's gone, they all get together and still do something fun, you know?

Like that.

That's a vibe too, which is great, you know?

So well also how like there's that parents gone.

So when the mouse, when the cat's away, the mouse will play, not the dogs, but the mouse.

And the implication is that when your parents are gone, you have fun as kids.

And so it's funny to see that dynamic with his spouses that are like Kody's gone.

We get to have fun.

Yeah, exactly.

Very interesting.

It was interesting.

They kind of do more talking Christine and Kody about their getting together and reason for taking this trip a little bit.

They have their spotlight moment, right?

Christine shares some things that I think we've heard bits and pieces of, but maybe not packaged together nicely.

Yeah, like she did here.

Would you agree?

I agree.

It was interesting.

The way she put it was that she had been the last wife for 16 years, yes, And she had heard and seen other polygamist families go through additions of new wives coming in and would hear some of the challenges that other families had had and all of the stuff.

And Christine thought that was just ridiculous.

She couldn't believe that these families would have such a hard time with this because you're just growing your family and why would you not want to do that?

And that's the whole point and blah blah blah until.

Yeah, until it happened to her, yes.

Yeah, Oh my goodness, it was crazy.

She does talk about being shocked, yes, that Kody would bring in a fourth wife and she blankets that like shocked about the whole thing like that he would that this would even happen and that this would happen that someone would join and then kind of like the entire process of bringing in a fourth wife.

She was shocked by which I was shocked to hear, but you know.

I think you just sometimes don't know how you're going to actually react in those situations until those situations are yours, right?

And so she's having that realization that like, oh, I get it now.

I see why this is complicated.

I didn't expect to feel this way.

I didn't think that this would bother me.

But as it turns out, this bothers me.

And she said it changed everything for her.

Everything, everything.

And that makes sense.

And you know.

Just ear noting A marking back to when Christine talked about how she always wanted to be the third wife.

She always wanted to be the third wife because there was a problem being the second wife, and the third wife neutralized things, and so she wanted to be the third wife.

Now there's a fourth wife.

Right, fucked everything up.

So interesting.

She always had her plan and people talk.

Oh, she got her plan.

She got her way okay.

Also, when Christine talks about being shocked, it was interesting.

They're on the couch, or I think they're on the couch, and they pan to Kody, and Kody looks puzzled, visibly.

Like, you know, the creased eyebrow, The furled eyebrow.

I call that the fake concern about what you're saying.

Totally fake concern.

Pretending that he cares and it registers, but right in reality he's thinking about his next hairdo like.

About what statement he's going to say, what word salad he's going to say.

Not ingesting anything that's coming out of her mouth.

To react to what she's saying.

And it does come across as a viewer, at least to me, as more like puzzled, like he looks confused about what she's saying, which is an act.

And I do think it's so that he can be coming up with his whatever he's going to say next, which I don't even remember because in traditional fashion, well, traditional fashion, if you watch this show, whatever Kody said was like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Who even knows?

And then they're showing footage of them in Vegas.

And I had this like, duh, moment of what you referenced just a few minutes ago that the kids are with.

So Christine is really looking for some time with her husband and guess what the kids are with.

So I don't know exactly what that means.

I don't know what she asked for.

I don't know how the negotiations that happened to the point of this little getaway.

But I was a little like, based on everything I've heard from Christine since the beginning of this show, I think a trip alone with her husband would probably be would be my assumption of what would be preferred over bringing the kids.

Oh, you think so?

I well, it just struck stuck out to me that we had seen Kody and Janelle go camping alone and that Robyn and he had gone on their honeymoon.

Meri and he had gone on their twenty year anniversary trip and now Christine's going on her trip and the kids are there.

I see what you're saying.

I hadn't even considered it in that way entirely possible.

But I feel like more like she would be the one to instigate the kids being there, maybe like, not wanting to leave truly yet.

Like, you know, something along those lines.

And you know what?

Yeah, we have ones that are old enough that can give us some time away, but they'll have fun too.

Like I don't know any of them are a possibility.

I could be reading too much into that.

It could just be like we want to do our family trip.

Who knows?

Our branch.

Yes, yeah.

Janelle, what she says about Christine.

Yes, OK.

But right before that, OK, really quick, Kody, I think what Kody was thinking about saying in his interview was, you know, again, we just really needed to get get past the investigation, right?

We need to get away from.

The investigation.

Separate from the investigation.

That investigation has to keep coming up.

Yeah.

OK.

So that was that, that was it.

That was it.

That and then Janelle.

And then Janelle.

And then Janelle, because this was talking adorable.

So good.

So they are sitting there and Janelle is like, you know, I know Christine really needed this time.

And that's so great.

She said, you know, Christine is so immersed in my life.

And, you know, she's just does so much every day.

And then she kind of gestures to Meri and Robyn.

It's like, maybe you guys feel this too, But I don't know what to do without Christine here.

Like, I'm losing it without Christine here.

Like, my whole world is falling apart.

But she kind of acknowledges that actually, Robyn and Meri aren't going to have the same feeling at all because they're not intertwined in the same way.

But Oh my goodness, for Janelle, this is a hard few days.

Yeah, she literally says my whole life falls apart when Christina's gone, which is so amazing.

I mean, I love that she not only that that's the dynamic, but that she is transparent enough and she's aware enough and she just owns it.

She's like, yeah, I love her example of like, what do you mean Savannah needs her hair combed before school?

Like what?

Like you don't even know that your daughter needs her hair combed before school.

Like that's so good.

It is so good and I think that that's the reason why spoiler alert, if you're not current in season 19, why Christine and Janelle have remained friends throughout all of this and even post divorces and things is because they were together in the thick of it with lots of kids at the very same time and supported each other in really different ways there.

And I think that they both know that neither of them would have gotten to where they are currently without each others help right?

Like separate from the fucking husband that was in the mix, like they were the ones that got themselves to where they are.

And so I think that's why they continue to have that bond.

But it was really sweet of Janelle to give like the.

I'm not trying to sugarcoat this in any way shape or form.

I am struggling because Christine is not here to help.

Yes.

You know.

Like, Oh my God.

Well, and Christine and Janelle relationship, we've talked about it before and I think there is a bit of it that's predicated or that is built on this reliance on each other.

And that's like super important for them is like, OK, I know I can rely on Christine to take care of these things.

So when Christine is gone, it's like holy Moses, what I have been relying on this person to do.

And I think Christine probably feels the same way.

And that's at least an underlying thing for their relationship because, yeah, they might not always be best of friends and sharing their deepest darkest secrets.

They have this thing that works for them in their everyday life and they can depend on each other.

And in this way that we're like talk to spoken at about how sister wives are supposed to be yes.

And they actually do that.

They do I and I, you know, I think that maybe the one thing we would we agree on several.

The one thing we would agree on, we.

Agree on several things.

I don't mean it that way.

Yeah, yeah.

But one of the things that we can acknowledge is the fact that if this family had done it right and some of the the foundations that they had and when they were doing it, I really think regardless of your views on their religion or anything else, I think if you just look at them as a family structure, if it had worked the way it was supposed to work.

And if that's what average everyday polygamous families look like, is like these legs of stools that balance each other and that support, you know, the weight of all that family shit underneath, right?

Like if that's how it's supposed to work and it does, that's great.

So.

I know, right?

I mean, they had a chance.

We get examples all around.

I know we get examples all around.

It's so true.

It's so true of all the things.

But you know what, I guess if we could all go back and look at our own lives and do that.

You know, it's not like we analyze ourselves in this way too.

You guys just so you're very clear, like we do not only judge others, we judge ourselves to OK, so.

Well, OK, honey, if I've heard you say if someone made me watch myself, I would like be like, Oh my gosh.

So I don't know.

I don't.

Know no but this is what I mean that like I would look back on my shit and be like Oh dear God yes I could have done some things differently like they probably today right look at some things and go Oh my gosh we could have done some things differently yeah you know like even with stuff that you don't even wish the outcome was opposite of what it was you can look back and go there are things that could have been handled in other manners and.

Well, Christine could have, you know, learned about a few cleaning products, and Meri could have learned to back off on the hair, but whatever, we're early in the show.

You never know, they might learn these things.

So then we get, you know, kind of a glimpse of the road trip to Vegas starting.

The only thing I remember from the initial beginning of it was that Christine says we're going to be there in many, many hour.

Many, many hours.

Like somebody was asking how long until we get there and she's like way too many to fucking tell you right now.

Like I cannot do it but can't.

They had a long, long drive.

Long drive.

As they do.

Yeah.

And when they're doing this trip to driving to Vegas, they do like some voice overs and some cutaways about the cost of travel.

And Kody and Christine talk about how driving versus flying is like an economical choice for them because of, obviously, cost of tickets, the number of kids, blah, blah, blah.

Kody has to reiterate how Vegas is close.

Vegas is close.

It's a great option for them because it's right there.

It's really, you know, right there.

And you know, Christine just loves Vegas.

I love Vegas.

Just always.

I love Vegas.

I love Vegas.

Oh my.

She doesn't sound like that, but that's my best Christine voice.

OK, I don't do impressions.

Wow, wow.

Yes, yes, I'm going to once again say that maybe the strobe lights really affect her.

I'm not sure.

But like, my God.

Cutting to other people's interview segments during the drive and Robyn talks about having alone time and how it's awesome that she gets to have some alone time.

Again, she just what?

Stop it.

Stop it.

Not only did I not even believe that she cares about alone time at this.

.150% she does not You're lying.

But then her like cover up of this narrative of it being awesome.

I'm like, you're like 12.

Like what's going on here?

Yeah, again, she just sounded ridiculous and I was like, why are you even speaking?

Yeah, it.

Was bad.

She also says that it would be weird to have a husband around all the time, which I think is so funny because as we know.

The journey changes to her trying to pretty much have Kody around all the time and then be careful what you wish for.

Well.

And then pretend that she didn't try to get Kody to be around all the time.

Amen.

Amen.

To pretend to pretend that's not what she's.

That that's what she wasn't.

Doing and requiring of his time.

OK.

And then cut to 2025.

And by the way, for anyone who hasn't watched the show and you're following along with us and you're just so excited about this journey, when you cut to the future, like to current day there, this woman has this man 24/7 in her life.

But.

Shame he is there all the live long day and she gets to have as much.

She has more Kody than she oh Kody, oh Kody, oh Kody.

She has more oh Kody than anyone could ever take.

So good for her.

Sing it over here, right?

Now, but you know, it would be weird to have a husband around all the time, says the woman, who has never been married in a polygamous relationship.

She was married before with a husband who was hers.

They were monogamous.

Like she's so full of shit.

She's a liar in a fraud.

She just.

Lies in frauds she.

Just lies.

In frauds all live long days.

She's lying and frauding.

Goodness gracious, Janelle also shared, you know that she she did, she kind of like sugar coated it a little bit.

She's like, well, it's not like it's hard to have Kody around, but.

Yeah, oh, no, it's not a lot to have him around.

Not much, but.

But I do like time with just my kids and whatever else.

And it was a very Janelle statement.

It was, yeah, not groundbreaking, but like, OK.

Well, it's like, OK, let's say if we look at the scope of work you lift for your children on a daily basis, that was me shoving all those words back in my mouth.

I'm sure you're doing a lot for Kody.

That was really great.

How you he did that though?

It's like the toothpaste came out and then he went right back in.

The gesture it.

Was good, yes.

Yeah.

No teeth, no shade.

Janelle, you're not doing a lot for Kody.

Let's be real, it was funny.

That's we were OK.

That's her.

That's her contribution.

Yeah, Kody, sometimes when he's gone, I'm like, where's Kody?

Like, yeah, unless he's, you know, where she wants him to be, she doesn't know where he is.

It's fun to see Kody talking about how there are a lot of Christians in Las Vegas and that the Strip is really the Sin City.

Vegas has so many Christians everywhere and it's a really Christian place.

Never mind you, I don't think he's wrong.

I think there's plenty of Christians in Las Vegas.

I think there's lots of a religion around Las Vegas, 100, call it what you want, but.

I don't know that people are like, oh, so your weekend trip to Vegas is centered around the Christians around Vegas?

Like that just doesn't make any sense.

I feel like it's an extra validation that's completely unnecessary.

It's a validation that, oh, we're polygamous going to Las Vegas, but it's not like we're going to see Strip shows and stuff like, OK, yeah, duh, OK.

I mean, maybe you could, maybe you'd like it, but.

Yeah, I mean, what was the other choice?

Billings or Boise or whatever like I.

Mean it's fine.

You don't have to tell us why Las Vegas is an OK place to be.

Oh, I swear, there's a lot of Christians in Las Vegas.

Christians there.

OK, OK, I try to avoid those places.

Christine Christine really loves the variety of things to do in Vegas, which is true.

So that's, you know, once again, it's another non lie from Christine.

There's a lot of things to do in Vegas.

There's food, there's shows, there's whatever you want.

I've only been there once.

It was fine, you know, I mean.

Yeah, Vegas is wildly overrated, but that's just because I live a normal life.

Like I live my life while I'm living.

I don't repress myself so that I have to take quarterly vacations to a city where I blow all my money and hire prostitutes and live this crazy life.

I just try to live the life I want to live regularly.

So no tea, no shade to all you Vegas folks, but like Jesus, Well, literally, there's Jesus in Vegas.

There's a lot of Christians.

A lot of Christians, I saw some Jesus cards on, you know, like with the stripper cards on the street.

There were some Jesus.

Finding Jesus on the strip.

There sure were.

Oh, and then they walk by and they like flap your body with them and it's like you're violating me, don't touch me.

Then it says like find Jesus.

Again, they take reasonably priced vacations, but they do arrive to their destination.

Where they got a good deal on some hotel rooms, Kody says.

Back up.

Oh.

You said a good dill.

OK, yes, a good deal.

Wow.

I thought you were telling me to back up.

Like what Story needed to back up?

No, it was a good deal.

I'm just correcting you.

Yes, thank you.

Thank you.

It was a good deal.

And after they checked in, they were actually offseason because it was the offseason after.

They they got a good.

Deal.

They got a good deal in the offseason and then when after they checked in they were actually staying in what Christine was described as a Villa Villa.

So oh, I wonder if somehow production pulled a string and got them a nice room while there was no one staying at the hotel.

Really weird.

You will show your.

Excuse me a good deal.

Property and your logo and your rooms and your.

We'll make them take a whole walk through the property.

Property.

With like by the way, this is the next day, the next morning.

It has nothing to do with anything but they do show them taking a walk through and they're going through like the least they're taping them anyway and like the least attractive area of this resort.

Yes, like by a dumpster goes in a gate.

Like why are you doing well?

This is because the date when they're showing off the the resort, the location, they have the traditional shots of like the pool and the rooms and the palm trees and it's like, Oh yeah, that looks nice.

You think somebody pulled some strings?

I wonder if all of their open rooms meant that someone was able to ask for a different room.

Because they knew they couldn't actually put on television eight people sleeping in one room with two double beds, right?

You wouldn't actually.

Do that.

Oh, you know, Kody would have sprung for 2:00 rooms.

You know there would have been 2.

Rooms right there would have been like, this is against cold.

I can't let you sleep in the air.

Yep.

And production would have been like, we can't even move.

Yeah, literally productions like, well, we're already sleeping in cars and vans in the parking lot, so like, if you could get us enough space to be able to like, take a dump somewhere, that'd be great.

Oh my goodness.

So yes.

But it was a pretty place.

We'll give them credit.

It was a.

Pretty place because they cut to the next morning and the hotel does look nice and they reference that it's by Lake Las Vegas, which I didn't know was a thing.

No one's ever told me to care about that.

Well, did you see it, I mean.

Granted, I do live where there are lakes so it's.

Yeah, it was.

Lake in the middle of gravel pits, you know, I mean, it's desert, whatevs, but like.

It's a hole with some water in the desert.

It was not that beautiful.

They did do some rock skipping well.

This is it, Kody had to point out.

You know, I grew up on a farm and so I know how to skip rocks.

And he had to showboat to his own family.

He was a pro rock skipper and then Christine was like, oh if only I had known that when I first met you, it really would have sealed the dull.

So that was moving.

It was very touching to watch Kody throw rocks into a hole in the desert with some water in it, but you know, he was amazing at that moment.

He was nurturing that marriage, nurturing that marriage.

That's what he said.

He's nurturing every marriage.

Watering that mustard seed?

Yes, back in Lehigh, Meri is coordinating a bowling outing, so apparently bowling is a thing to do for people.

I've been bowling, I get it.

Have you been bowling a.

Couple times.

Right, so they are trying to get the kids in the cars to go bowling.

This is my favorite moment from their transition to the bowling alley is that some Meri goes who wants to ride with me?

And like multiple people were like me, me and like I'll ride with you Meri.

And then they showed Robyn going who wants to ride with me, and no one raised their hands.

No way.

Yes, one unread.

I missed that.

They were getting ready to go and Meri's like, who wants to ride with me?

And it's like, yay, then Robyn and cricket, cricket.

And then they showed like Dayton, like hugging her, like, no, I'm coming with you, mom, like sympathy hug.

Yeah.

Do you know I missed it?

And the reason I missed it was because right before that, Meri had been talking about the organized bowling excursion.

Yeah.

And she said.

So I decided to take the kids that were left behind.

Left.

Yes, Left behind and.

I was like.

And she says it all laughy jokey.

Like I'm not saying this mean yeah, but you said left behind.

Like if you pulled that out, it would be quite a sound bite.

Oh, the kids that were left behind.

I think I was trying to fully catch how she phrased it.

Yeah, Because I was like, but I'm sad because I really would have liked to see the moment that Robyn's feelings got hurt.

Well, no, they didn't.

Unfortunately they didn't.

Like, I wish there would have been that moment of, like, panning on her face and see that the tears formed.

But unfortunately, yeah.

Yeah.

But instead, they showed her son, giving her a hug of like, don't worry, mom.

Like, I'm going to ride with you.

And I was like, oh gosh, Robyn, no one wants to ride in your car because you're terrible.

Well, is that when it starts that she's kind of giving her background monologue Ness again where she's like, it's been really so hard for my kids and such a big change and you know, now they're around blah, blah, blah.

Like she just goes off on a tangent and but it's so positive and it's like you just yeah, you just Debbie downward it for like 2 minutes.

Yeah, yeah, and are now just justifying it all.

Alright girl.

Typical ride for Robyn.

Actually, literally.

And then another typical ride for Robyn is when they are bowling, she gets to use bumpers.

Oh my God.

And then she tied with Meri for their scores.

And Meri's like you use bumpers if you're over 10, that doesn't count.

And I think Robyn says that it's like numbers.

It's a it's a matter of numbers or something, but.

The numbers don't lie.

The numbers don't lie.

Thank you.

But Robyn's a bumper girl.

She's she's a bumper.

Girl.

But Meri is not letting her have that.

Like Robyn wants Meri to shut the fuck up about the bumpers and Meri's like absolutely fucking that.

Oh my God.

Yes.

Like she's like, no.

Like, no, I'm not gonna let you pretend that your score is the same as mine, Right?

Absolutely.

Bumpers.

Not Janelle.

Did a little life.

Janelle did a little like kick behind when she did, you know, like the true like bowlers kick when she was like girl.

Because the front half of her was looking like me bowling like a little bit of a like like you know, like drop the shoulder, drop the ball and it's moving the backside of her.

I didn't actually notice her bowler legs.

So I'm glad you noticed cuz it's just a little.

Kick.

OK, kick behind.

OK, Cuz the front half looked like me bowling.

It was like, all right, you know, you got there and you dropped it.

Slow in the Anyway, Yeah, it was fine.

Yeah, but the kick was cute.

Yeah.

But yes, Meri held Robyn accountable and that was fucking fantastic.

Like ma'am, we will not.

That is literally a metaphor for Robyn's life.

Like, I had bumpers and I did just as good as you.

Like, girl, we're not even in the same bowling alley.

I do love.

There was a cutaway to Hunter and he says Meri impressed me the most because she had a strike and I don't.

And that was so cute.

It was so funny because I love when people give Meri her props.

Like, you know, her titles.

You know, the like, Nazi and the what?

All of her titles.

Then she gets the tooth.

OK, we're going to keep track of these.

OK, this is like the one.

Thing.

I actually try to remember.

Tooth puller packing Nazi.

Packing Nazi photo goddess Photo goddess Packing central.

Central packing.

Central packing and now striking.

Pro Bowler.

Extraordinary.

Yeah, she's yes Pro Bowler.

She got a strike and Hunter is impressed and I agree.

That was cute.

That was cute.

Yeah, and I always love when they give Hunter a little moment because he has such a great positive aura about him and he was like all about it, which is so cute.

Yeah, it was cute.

They had a good time.

It wasn't as much chaos maybe as I would have expected, but we didn't see a lot of it either.

Yeah, we didn't see anything breaking or, you know, like any bowling balls being thrown in places they shouldn't or anything.

No.

And then and then.

Back to Vegas.

Oh my goodness.

Madame Tussauds.

Yeah, so they go to the wax museum, which I guess is a thing, right?

I've never been to one in real life.

Have you been to a wax museum?

So I don't think I've been to a specific wax museum, but I certainly have been places like kind of like the weirdest things museums where they have something of like that.

But it's not just.

Full of not like Madame Tussauds.

I have not, but the intro to the we're going to Madame Trousseau's, you know, and Christine says it's just amazing what they can do with wax.

Like, yeah, I guess.

What's your favorite place I.

Love Vegas, It is amazing what they can do.

So you love Vegas and you went to a wax museum and a good dinner and ate in your hotel room like, I don't know, man, what so.

Kody Kody when they're, when they're introducing this wax museum visit and he says wax museums should be a little creepy and he looked creepy.

I it was perfect.

I wasn't looking up at the exact moment, but I caught the end of it and I knew I was glad I hadn't seen it.

Like that's one that I'm OK that I didn't actually see the look on his face for.

Wax museums should be a little creepy.

And he did change his voice like that.

And a creepy did change his voice.

He did a creepy voice on purpose and it was creepy and he looked creepy and he is creepy.

Creepy, creepy.

And then and then the music turns dark and dramatic and Moody, right?

Did you register the music in this moment?

Because it literally did.

It turns and it's just like I was like, what is happening?

We could use that music.

The last episode, that was the Halloween episode.

Right.

No, it was just this.

And then the next line is one of them talking at the bowling alley Meri, about how the kids didn't choose polygamy.

So like this was the transition.

Like the transition was Kody creepy wax museum.

Those children didn't choose this life.

Yes, like.

Yes, girl, I'm so glad that you just teed it up that way because for our listeners at home, I was wondering what I missed because it was like Kody talking about creepy wax things and then all of a sudden Meri's talking about how all their children didn't choose to be born into their beliefs.

And no children choose what beliefs they're born into in their family.

And I'm like, where the hell did this come from?

It was bizarre.

Straight up strange.

Not even a commercial break?

No, just like Bam, here we are.

Our children are living creepy lives.

Well, let's you know this, she's saying that they're not.

And I'm like, what is going on here?

I'm just watching you have this experience because it was that was something else entirely.

Kody, our children are living creepy lives.

Meri's like, well, they didn't choose this childhood.

Didn't choose this life.

No kids choose their lives.

Right.

It's like what the fuck?

I mean, it would be more convenient if we could I guess.

Yes, Yes.

No.

Yeah, that's what we're meant to learn as we grow up.

Shocking.

Apparently anyway.

And there's further talking of like raising with good values like this is, I guess, a a poorly executed transition from looking at wax figures in Vegas to their children not choosing their lifestyle, but them also not trying to enforce too much dogma on the children.

Kody talks about the 10 commandments and about being a good person and how those are more of the vibes they try to instill in their kids.

Are these kind of general swaths that come with, I guess, Christianity, Mormonism, etcetera?

Yeah, but yeah, but OK.

He also then says he has raised his children open mindedly but wants them to know that this is the better way.

Right.

Like, OK, I'm not saying there isn't all that other stuff out there, but this is the better way.

And I just hope that they grow up to make these choices themselves, but but choose what makes God happy, right?

So like he's giving them their choice and doing all of that.

But still like as any parent does with their beliefs and their stuff that is still being instilled in these children.

They're certainly not like you go do you?

Let us know what you decide.

You know, like.

But a little bit as their their narrative, or I should say their narrative well.

I think as we've watched the kids grow older today, we do actually see that that happens.

I don't know that I'm buying that right now at the this point in these kids lives that there's I, I want to say that they are open minded as parents, maybe to some extent as a religious parent.

Yeah.

But like.

I don't have a take away that they are indoctrinating beliefs more than other families in general I would agree.

With that, no, I would agree with that.

But I just think that in any family there's a level of indoctrination and that's it.

And even if it's indoctrination and not having a belief, right, Like, I don't know.

I don't know if that's actually a thing though.

Indoctrination on not having a.

Belief.

I do think.

I think it is absolutely.

I.

Like there are definitely going to be parents.

I know I'm like this.

This is a whole.

That's all we don't need to do right now.

Here's a can of worms I.

Know right, like Cooch closing it back up just like you eating the words earlier.

Yep, close that can.

Good job.

And that's going to sound great in your ears, but.

I know, I hope nobody has that.

Yep.

Anyway, we are back to Las Vegas.

Oh yeah, back to Las Vegas.

Thank you.

Thank you.

That's what we needed.

OK.

Shum back to Las Vegas.

So I apologize, yes I mentioned this a little bit earlier but they are eating dry cereal in the hotel to save money.

I feel like we knew this before, but tell me if we did or we didn't about Christine's microwavedness.

We did not know this specific but the Ness is insinuated through the not having a toaster.

Her talk of this microwave has not specifically come in, has not specifically come up, but.

She makes it pretty clear that she doesn't care for microwaves or radiation.

Christine does not have a microwave.

No, because of and she does some gestures in AV shaped motion, like of the radiation waves coming in.

So that was nice.

Right.

She's also really acutely aware of all the other things that could harm her children, so that's what's great.

But she couldn't prepare a true breakfast because she only had a microwave.

Now, mind you, they're at a hotel.

So once again, like how little, you know, little blouse on the Meri.

Can you be?

Because it's like you are at a hotel and it's not like in hotel rooms you have like full kitchens.

I, I, I, you know, who knows what her understanding is of the modern day, but she brings up microwaved eggs, which I'm going like you, you, you, you, you, you microwaved eggs are gross.

But she also says it in this way that's like, you know, well, Robyn makes microwaved eggs.

And Christine says, well, you know what?

No one should actually make microwaved eggs because it's bad for their children.

And I thought that was interesting because I judge from the perspective of, yeah, I don't need any, like, rubbery, weird eggs.

Like when you're fast food joint that you like the microwaved eggs on their sandwich that comes in as cooked eggs that they warm up.

It's not a whipped egg that they are microwaving in the store.

So microwaved eggs.

We do not support.

I'm not talking to my mother here, but a microwaved egg is not a real egg in that sense.

So no, you don't microwave eggs for your family.

Like no.

So Christine does make sense in that sense.

But also, I don't know, I guess they were just, they seemed a little hung up on the fact that they had to eat breakfast in their room and it was cereal.

Like that's what hotels are.

They're making it seem like they were like sequestered to their room.

Like what, they couldn't go down to the lobby where they have muffins or bagels or something?

Like if this hotel literally had no continental breakfast at all, then Kody sucks even more than I think he does.

It probably doesn't.

It probably doesn't For real.

For real.

Oh God yeah, even the Best Western I stay in in my hometown has continental breakfast.

Listen, people have a perception that a lot of hotels have free breakfast that don't have that.

So this hotel that's built around its own lake in the desert with palm trees and that has a suite for them to check into, doesn't have continental breakfast.

Yeah, you know why?

Because they have a captive audience that if they gave them something for free, they.

Don't have to.

They don't have to.

Well, this is it.

You're in Vegas.

Why are they going out to a meal that.

They're going to get a meal at so why would I give you something for free?

You're 30 minutes from anywhere else, you're going to choose to come.

To go there restaurant and pay for it just happens to be that the Browns are like we eat cereal in our hotel room.

Choosing to do the opposite, correct.

So which I actually would do again.

Six people or is it 6 kids and them is it eight people?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eight people for a hotel in a, you know, touristy area.

Breakfast.

We're talking, even back then, probably over $100 for a breakfast.

That's ridiculous.

I wouldn't have done it either, you know?

Amen.

I think we've talked plenty long about their breakfast choice in the.

Hotel.

So we're still in Vegas.

Kody calls Meri.

Oh, he's such a concerned husband.

He's such a good husband.

So he gives Meri a call.

Ring, ring, ring, ring, a ring, ring, Ding, a Ling, A Ling.

And she says, oh, Kody.

Oh, Kody.

But really sad that time.

I've been looking for work for a long time, for a while, since I was let go from my previous job because, you know, management brought me in and they just fired me and, you know, it was a serious blow.

And now I'm trying to get another job and they won't hire me because I'm a polygamist.

So Meri feels like she has been fired because of her lifestyle.

Meri feels like she is not being hired because of her lifestyle.

I wonder why Meri was fired and I wonder why Meri wasn't hired.

I feel like the not getting hired bit seems more likely because of her lifestyle and the fact that she is a person on television.

And it kind of makes me go, why are you even looking for a job like this?

I don't really get that.

Like, why don't you?

You're on season 2.

You should actually be making at least 1500 to 3000 to $5000 an episode.

Like you should be able to have an income from your show as a talent.

So I don't know why the whole job thing is.

And this just doesn't sit right with me.

It didn't in the first season.

There's something about Meri's story with employment that doesn't work out for me.

Now I'm going to stop talking.

What do you think?

I didn't have that many thoughts about it, I don't think.

I do think there's a point that she certainly acknowledges that their current situation is going to likely prevent her from getting a job in the field that she wants to and like acknowledging that that's a thing with.

At risk youth.

Yeah.

You know, I agree that I don't think I have enough information to determine whether her portrayal of the hiring slash firing adds up to exactly what she wants it to be.

I, I think that it can go both ways and I think that she's potentially using some of that as her excuse for excuse for what is happening.

But also it could be exactly that, like could be 100% that.

So she does say that she lost her other job right after they went to New York.

So right after they were on all these live television shows and things were coming out fairly plausible that that could have an effect.

They could certainly try to make it appear that that's not the reason that they're getting rid of her, but who knows?

The other one, again, some of these things are just really hard to take what they're saying and believe it is like full fact because it is sugar coated.

And and again, I think there's some being super, super careful to not implicate another business or organization on the show.

Like they're probably not trying to give a lot of details.

They could put those pieces together at this point to try to save some face or something.

Maybe I don't know but it.

Could be a part of it.

But something along those lines.

But that's why it's hard to to know.

It's hard to know because it doesn't seem like we get the information that we should be able to fully.

Yeah, see the whole picture, you know.

Well, this is it as a prosecutor or as a defense attorney or whatever role I'd be playing if Meri Brown was sitting on the stand, I'd be like, you don't get to talk to me about your feelings.

What did this person say?

What happened?

And that she doesn't give that with any of her employment stuff.

It never happens.

So Amen.

I do suspect, I mean, also it's it's this is the the like pessimist amigos.

So you're on TV, you go to film live in New York.

There's all this stuff hullabaloo.

Are you going to tell me that had no impact on your job performance?

Like if someone is an employer who's like, by the way, like girl, like you're cutting out half of your days doing whatever and like you're telling me you need all this flexibility and we just can't handle it for whatever she was doing.

We can't even, I personally can't even give her the benefit of the doubt with that because she doesn't give enough details about anything.

So like I'm imagining having an employee who's like, oh, and I'm on ATV show and we're flying here and we're doing this.

Maybe that person literally can't perform the duties of the role and she doesn't give any facts.

And I I it's like weird because it's like I want to default to believing her but I don't.

I actually don't.

I also just think the other added layer to not to the not knowing fucking anything is the kind of plausible deniability about speaking about a certain company or organization.

Like if it if she said well my boss took me into a room and told me blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Like you know it.

And I'm not saying just Meri wise.

I guess this is kind of like blanket statement when any of them talk about their careers and how careful they are about that and how we have almost 0 information.

So I don't think it hurts to analyze it and think about the whys.

That's what we do about all this fucking bullshit that we watch on the show.

But like it's just hard to say.

Especially employment wise stuff.

It's very blanketed, very not clear for anyone.

Yeah, when a point that stood out to me is how in season 1 she referenced wanting to work at at risk youth as if it was like a future based thing, like a goal she wanted to do.

And so her bringing that up again as something she would like to do, it also makes my inner detective with the like, whatever, what is the thing?

Eyeglass, not eyeglass magnifying.

Thank you the magnifying glass.

I was close.

The detective with the magnifying glass emoji is going doing something that you really weren't qualified for or something you were stretching for in the future.

Because why are you referencing something you want to do that you couldn't do now, but now you're not getting the job.

The math is not mathing for me on the merry with the job stuff, but I don't want to make her sound like a liar and you definitely didn't just try to.

Do that at all.

Except, well, to quote Meri Brown.

I'm not a bad person, I just have sister wives.

So, you know, Meri likes to talk about the effects of her lifestyle without any backing up from my perspective as far as I see.

Amen.

Amen.

Back in Las Vegas.

Back in Las Vegas, they.

Go on a boat.

They go on a boat, Christine.

Kody go on a boat, I think in this man made lake Yep and beautiful lake Some some some sort of joke about something and I tuned it out.

So then we go back to the couch.

No, I'll tell you.

I'll tell.

You'll tell me.

I'll.

Tell you the joke, I.

Was.

I wasn't sure if you were.

Actually going to do it or not, though?

No, but like they're on this little boat or whatever and Christine is like, you know all the things and excited and she's like, OK, you can go faster.

And Kody's like this is as fast as it goes.

And that was it.

That was it.

And now we're done with the boat and we are.

That makes me happy.

That makes, well, Christine.

'S always so enthusiastic, so that makes me happy that they were going as fast as they could.

They called it a.

Golf cart boat.

Yeah, it did look like 1.

It was like a gondola that had like the tiniest little motor.

Yeah, trolling motor.

Yes, if you will see we're from.

Thank you.

Minnesota.

Salt of the Earth, Salt of the.

Earth.

So back on the couch, Robyn poses up to us like, OK, the public is asking how Kody has time for all of the children because there's so many kids.

And that does seem like an obvious question.

I mean, like, how does he have time for all of this?

And they all kind of come to his.

I don't know if everyone even speaks, but they there is a defense brought, including by Janelle, who talks about how he splits his time as much as he can.

Like there's 24 hours in a day and he's a father just like everybody else.

He doesn't golf.

He doesn't do these things that a lot of other stereotypically heteronormative male husband fathers do.

I bought into what Janelle was talking about because I don't think that she was lying when she was talking.

But I don't know if it, I don't know.

Did it trigger anything in you?

Did you have any responses to that?

Not really.

I mean, to an extent, yes.

I don't think we, I guess maybe it does trigger something at me and that is Kody actually says that he feels like Janelle is being too nice by giving him credit for that and that, you know, he could be a better father just like anybody could any other father and.

I think that's.

Probably fair.

I think he still does things for himself when he decides to, and I think he probably gets to do that a little bit more than his wives get to.

In typical, you know, fashion.

Oops.

Kody Brown fashion, that is.

Yeah, but.

Other than that, I don't.

Know that there was anything crazy about I just don't know.

I don't personally agree with the public perception of that their children are more or less taken care of by the amount of the time that the father stays in the home.

In fact, that doesn't implicate children's lives in ways.

Oh gosh, here's another tangent rabbit hole.

I mean, there are studies that show that children's happiness almost fully is due to their mother's happiness.

Like like if you have a happy mom, you are so much likelier to have like a happy childhood, right?

Whereas if you don't, you don't.

Now dads don't have and there's a lot of good, I'm not saying this is a good dad versus bad dad thing, but but in most homes, heterosexual couple homes, dads don't or at least for many, many years have not played as a significant of a role for kids as moms do.

And so the fact that the public thinks that this man not being in that house with each of those kids every day has as much of an effect or negative effect as actually having like 4 fucking moms does like.

That.

Surely offsets anything else that is happening that they are perceiving as neglectful.

So hadn't even thought about it that way until literally right now.

And I'm like, yeah, no, and these kids are fine.

The kids are fine.

Yes, absolutely.

And even a step further into like made-up world land is if there was a woman who was

splitting her time between 4:00 homes and men raising families primarily in those four homes.

I mean, this is not even really at the forefront of comprehension.

Like I don't even know like TLC if you want to know if you want your next ratings, bitch like that out there if you want your next ratings hit.

It is having a woman who splits

her time between 4:00 homes and men that are in each home and the hate and vitriol that will come from people that aren't even aware of the situation.

Crazy and the man babiness of it.

All I can't even imagine.

Oh yeah, those poor, those men.

Those victims, those poor victims, those.

Poor male victims.

Raising their own children, Yeah, that's a whole.

That that's a whole level, yeah.

That was the situation, OK.

So blah blah blah blah dot.

Com.com that happened so earlier.

When we were discussing the amount of notes that we were taking as we were watching this, I said that that I had been looking down a significant portion of the episode.

And I'm going to tell you that right now is the moment that I looked up at the television and realized what I had missed, OK?

When Kody and Christine.

Have been having their couch moments, yeah.

He is.

Wearing a purple satin button up shirt.

Oh.

And do you know what it looks?

Exactly like Chris, No.

Rex Manning.

Not on Rex Manning Day.

On Rex.

Manning Day?

No, he looks sexy.

Lexi fucking rexy.

Oh, sexy rexy sexy.

Rexy, yeah.

So how do we do that with Kody?

Not sexy.

Kody.

Well, there's not a way to do it with Kody, that's all.

Grody, Kody.

Kody, Kody.

Not on Rex Manning Day.

Not on Kody Brown Day.

For the listeners, Rex Manning.

Day is April 8th maybe.

Oh God, you.

Yeah, do you want to Google it it?

Is.

I don't think that you're.

Wrong on 8th or 9th.

I'm just saying we actually have to put the right date.

Oh well.

But if you don't.

Know what Rex Manning Day is?

Google it.

Rex Manning Day is.

April 8th God damn I'm good, you are so.

Good, the 19.

95 cult classic Empire Records.

Well, you know what, Kody?

You will never fill out that blouse like Rex Manning does.

It's funny because Rex Manning is totally like.

It would be like an envy thing for him.

That hair also.

Yeah, the hair.

This is it.

This is it.

The jealousy of the hair.

The hair.

Oh my God, the hair.

Gross.

So it's fitting.

It's fitting.

For Kody to wear a Rex Manning like shirt.

But yes that was something that we have seen.

Like we had seen multiple moments of them on the couch talking and I had not registered that shirt until this this moment.

I love how you tend to pay more attention.

To what they're wearing and that stuff.

Like, I appreciate that you do that.

Because even thinking about what Christine was looking like in that interview, like right now, if I was trying to describe it, it would be like the ugliness of a Christmas sweater, Like an ugly Christmas sweater, but it's not an ugly Christmas sweater.

It was just burgundy, very lightweight.

Something over like a black or black.

There was a lot of some layers.

Browns.

Probably some flowy stuff that doesn't do well.

When you're sitting, you know.

She looked.

She looked great.

So yeah.

And Kody apparent.

I did not notice the purple beauty.

I'm glad we know.

Thank you for pointing it out darling, you are so.

Welcome when they're on the couch in.

Their.

Fabulous outfits.

They do volunteer.

I don't remember if it was Christine or Kody.

I think it was Christine, probably.

Well, I'm not sure if it was Christine or Kody, but they say that they had three years of struggles in their marriage that is coming up on 17 years.

I know Kody said they're coming up on 17 years.

Do you remember who said if they've had three years of struggle?

I think they both were kind of going back and forth.

A.

Little bit like it was kind of like, you know, we've been married this long and you know, we've had some struggles maybe three years out of 17 years.

Like it was just, it was a very back and forth.

They were both kind of putting in their their own two cents about it.

But but other than those, that had been bliss, right?

Oh yeah, Bliss.

Bliss.

It was totally believable.

After 14 years.

Of bliss and three years of torture.

We've been married 17 years, so you know, But bliss, come on.

Don't you worry though, Chris, don't.

You worry.

Kody's priority is filling that bank account of love.

That's his priority.

Filling that love bank.

That bank account.

He didn't say love bank, He said bank account of love.

It's great, huh?

It's great, yes.

I'm just.

I I was trying to connect the dots between Vicki Gunvalson's Love Tank being empty and then the the Bank of Love.

That's not the Love Bank, but it didn't work fast.

Bank account.

Yeah, bank account.

Of love.

Oh God.

You see, they just can't get any of this shit right, ever.

I know.

Yep, well as.

Long as cat cats away the.

Dogs.

If the cat's away, the dogs will.

Play and Vicki Gunvalson needs her love tank filled, but so does Christine.

But she's not gonna talk about it.

Fill that bank.

Account of love Bank account of love.

Doesn't roll off the tongue.

No, but the trip is very.

Important for Christine and Kody to reconnect.

Very important.

And this is once again where I'm going.

Like you're reconnecting and your kids are there.

I get it.

Kids are part of family.

But I just feel like they and their words are emphasizing them.

And it's like it's not even just them.

Like, you know, with traveling with six kids, it's not about you.

It's just not like it's not.

So I shouldn't say that.

Is that too dramatic to say traveling with six kids?

It's going to be about the kids.

I think this is still your.

Perception that they would have had more fun if the kids weren't with them, which is also a possibility.

But I think that if they're going into this as a family vacation in which you all are together as a family trying to have a good time, I don't know that it's necessarily given that like, actually, sometimes it's super fun to see your kids do stuff.

Right.

So like, I think I think that there's a little bit, but the moment you're talking about is when they're at this dinner, talking about like they're at this romantic dinner, just the two of them.

And that's kind of when they start going into this diatribe of of some of their trials and tribulations, too.

And then, of course, Kody sneaks in.

Just one more quick mention of the investigation and that stuff.

Oh yeah, morally.

Wrong.

And it's stressful, Yeah.

And then we move back to all the other challenges like that.

Again, that's the most information that we've gotten.

Yeah, while.

They were at this dinner.

My overall vibe was that they don't feel like a real couple.

Like the way that they were talking to each other made me feel like they were colleagues and not even colleagues that are really close.

Like they're almost at like a convention.

Like this trip was like their conference where they're getting together and they're talking about them and they're doing whatever is their thing.

But even while they were sitting there speaking to each other, it's almost like Christine was talking a foot in front of him and he was to the left and he was talking a foot to the right of her.

Like they weren't even really looking at each other.

Like there was just this like business esque like this non intimate, which we we learn about them more in the future, but not a like people that are fucking and people that are at one point even we're going to build a life together and are kind of in a thing in a partnership in some way.

I didn't get that vibe from them at all.

When you say the.

One foot, like one step ahead or something like that.

I wrote down a couple of the back and forths that they sat.

So I think Kody said, you know, this is a time for us to unwind with each other, right?

And then Christine said, yeah, there's good days and there's bad days.

And then Kody said the threat is heavy, right?

Like the threat of this investigation, whatever, that's heavy.

And Christine was like, but I'm glad we went public.

Like, I'm still like glad we did this.

And so it is these varying degrees of like the bad being said or whatever else and kind of still acknowledging it, but not seeming on the same page or connected about it.

I get the I get the disconnect.

It seems like their goal is to say when he actually says that their goal is to show family like that's we're showing family to people and like, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they all are coming together in this like perfect, bundled up by showing that together.

Yeah, you know, Yeah, it seemed.

And the reason I think.

I'm even saying business and kind of like a conference is it seemed like a meeting where they were talking about the things that they needed to talk about and not even like at each other.

That sounds dramatic, but just kind of like we're saying the things and there was not anything going between them that was like we're here.

They were a married couple at a dinner without their kids and that was not the vibe to me.

I think part of the.

Unsure, but tell me, yeah.

Is it possible that more of what we were hearing them say was when they were on the couch and they only showed a very brief part of the dinner?

I don't think they showed us actually that much of A dinner, no.

There was only a few sound.

Bites that were from the dinner, yes.

Yeah, but part.

Of where I'm going with that is the fact that some of the questions they must be being prompted to answer on these couch sessions.

Yeah, it's like, well, so all of this stuff has come out and there's this event you keep talking about the investigation, you know, are you still happy you did this?

Are you still whatever?

And so I think that sometimes the blending together with the prompting probably just seems messy too 'cause I think we've shown or been shown many, many, many times that the transitions don't work and that like, they don't always paint the right picture.

So I could see it being both ways, but I, I would certainly agree that they don't have a connection that we've seen a lot of.

I would certainly agree with that.

The others, I think we've seen moments of them having those connections, and I don't think we see much of that with Christine and Kody even in these moments.

Of while filming, so they're at this dinner, we do see other moments with wives with Kody and broadly in reality TV, but let's say specifically with Kody and his wives where they're having like intimate conversations and they're still like the light, the camera, the at least 2 crew that's happening and they're still having intimate moments of sharing in some manner.

And to me, this just didn't.

That didn't strike at all.

You could have replaced Christine with anyone off the street.

And I feel like the chemistry would have been the same.

Yeah.

Now, I don't know that that really matters, but it's really just kind of a signifier of who they are at this point.

Again, we're we're we already.

Know where we literally we already know how it ends.

Like does this even matter?

It's like, well.

None of this matters.

We're just talking about all this shit.

We know how it ends, and so we're.

Seeing these moments in these ways that it, it builds this yeah place they are now.

And so I think it's fair to acknowledge Christine says that.

She's glad that they went public like you talked about, which is interesting because she hasn't always sung those chords strongly.

She talks about how they recognize a threat, that there's like a threat to doing this, but that they've made changes and that they have talked to their children, particularly about being approached by strangers, showing support for each other regardless of what is happening externally.

I don't know.

It felt, once again, I feel like this episode was like, like, that in and of itself is a whole thing.

Like, what happened with that?

What are you doing about this?

Whatever.

But they just say it like it's crossing the street, like, oh, we're doing this and we're doing that and everything's fine.

And then literally Kody talking about the trying to show them as a family.

That's like how they wrap it all up.

We're trying to show ourselves as a family.

So he's telling us what they're trying to do, but it all feels so lightweight in the way that they were wrapping up the episode.

But it's all big stuff.

It is big stuff.

Another thing Kody.

Said too that I forgot about was that they he said they've gotten thank you's from people like people have thanked them for coming out and bringing awareness to this.

And you know that they have gotten support from people not only just within their church, but and maybe less within their church than just people in the public that are like how cool that you're not letting this, you know, like keep you guys in getting anymore.

So they're trying to reinforce that they're getting positive stuff from it too, and that they still feel like there's a reason to do it.

It is funny.

It's only season 2 episode what, 455 maybe now don't know where we started the day where we ending it, but episode 5 five perfect that this is such a big focus right now.

When we get actually into later seasons, there aren't those.

There isn't the legal focus.

There isn't the we became public focus.

They've already been out there for years.

So then it just actually starts to focus more on the like.

Right now we're we're seeing the outside forces a lot of external things.

And still not.

Be told a lot about it, but it's weighing in, right?

And then eventually we get to the point that it's just the internal stuff that starts to bubble.

Yeah.

And yeah, exciting to get to that part.

Yeah, like we'll be, we'll be a little happier about that.

Well, this is true.

Some of this stuff season.

Two, we're sliding.

Into these discovery.

Moments of their interpersonal relationships and they're back and forth and the way they really are with each other.

Maybe while they're being filmed.

I mean, who knows?

Still kind of.

We still don't know.

Yeah, like that.

Will probably become more natural as time goes on.

But like, that first season was really a lot of storytelling.

It was a lot of like, This Is Us, This Is Us, This Is Us.

So now however many episodes and we're finally actually getting into some of the stuff.

Yeah.

All right.

Mustard Seed and Schenstein, Who is your let's let's swap it around this week.

Who is your Mustard Seed alley?

I love that you say flip it.

Around because I don't think we consistently go one way with you.

I think you.

I think you whipped out a shit stain at me first a couple weeks ago.

I whipped out a shit.

Stain at you.

You were like, who's your?

Shit stain.

I was like, whoa, I love it.

I've never whipped out a shit.

Stain at you.

Oh God, you're right.

OK.

Shit.

Never say never.

But who is my mustard?

Seed.

Yes.

Who is your mustard seed this week?

I'm going to I'm going to do 1 so that.

You don't have to.

OK, You've you've had to give her a lot of props lately that you didn't want to.

Oh, thank you.

God bless.

Thank you.

Go with Meri.

Thank you.

I'm going to go with Meri from a Mustard Seed and part of it is because sometimes that bitch does a good job of getting in a shady comment without seeming shady.

The kids that were left behind.

I think that was a slide.

Dig and I appreciate it, but I also fully support her bowling skills.

And so I'm going to I'm going to go with, you know, a couple, couple different levels there, but I'm going to give it to Meri so that you don't have to.

OK, I appreciate.

That my mustard seed this week is going to Janelle.

I would like to parallel the bowling bit because I do feel like she and I bowl similarly.

I haven't seen that kick yet.

There's right?

I.

I have to remember to kick because otherwise I would.

Just go up and squat and.

Throw So I'm feeling very Janelle.

I also appreciated that she said she didn't know what to do without Christine being around with her kids because that was real.

And maybe I don't identify with that because of all of my children and how I always and like watching over them.

But really like, that was pretty cool and that was funny And I do enjoy like she's funny, she's funny.

So I have to give it to Janelle.

Well deserved.

Also.

I'm just so glad I don't have to give it to Meri.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for that team there.

Thank you.

Sure did.

Shit stain.

Who are you going with?

I mean the usual, right?

Are you going with Kody Brown?

Yeah, OK.

Kody Brown?

I think so.

And why this time?

Shoot, I don't even know if I have a reason.

No, the the Rex Manning impersonation maybe like, I don't know, I think just that on the potential.

Yeah, you're a discount Rex Manning.

Yeah.

Oh my God, that would be such a good thing to say to him.

Like you're a, you're a Rex Manning on layaway.

You're a fucking, you know Rex Manning.

Yes, you do.

Yes, you do.

Yeah.

Yes, you wish you were.

Rex Manning.

He had.

On a flashy watch too.

Anyway, he does.

He's got watches.

Anyway, he's that guy, so I think it's just for that.

But there's probably something more specific that he did that I should be annoyed with him for, but I'm just going to go with that.

Yeah, I support.

This.

I support it.

I have to give my shit stain to Robyn.

Yes, what a shock.

I'm giving my shit stain to Robyn because not only did she use bumpers and bowling and then tried to make it seem like for some reason her score actually was comparable to Meri's When shit now I have bowled with my nieces where I use bumpers, it never crossed my mind to actually say like Oh my score's the same as yours.

So I just feel like that makes her low IQ.

Amen.

And then also the Speaking of the low IQ things like the awesome, her vocabulary, the way she describes things, the way that she changes, the way she talks about things based on how she wants to appear.

It's pretty obvious and juvenile and just not very smart.

And all the reasons that we hate Rob, I already know.

So the reason I can't even get into it too much is because Robyn is going to be the shit stained so many times that we are going to get into so many things.

But let's be clear.

Janelle or Meri or Christine could say the word awesome and it wouldn't annoy us, right?

Only how?

Robyn says.

It in the context at every, every fucking time, every fucking thing she says all the fucking times.

This is it if you listen to this podcast.

You know that we're not exactly putting together masterpieces every time we speak, but my God, it's awesome.

Like, Oh my God, you are 30 some years old with children, whatever.

A hard working single mom who loves her dance and I don't know what around.

Like if I started walking around saying bet.

Bet bet bet like.

Bet.

Like BET, Yeah, Like, yeah bet.

What does bet mean?

It means yes.

It means like yeah, bet yeah.

OK, I'll do that.

Bet.

Like bet, Like affirmation.

OK, like if I was doing that?

Right now, if I was like bet, bet, you'd be like, I'd be like, honey, exactly what just happened.

Darling.

Yeah, Amen.

All right, so our keep.

Sweep moment this.

Week goes to Nate McGrath Nate left a comment on season 2 episode 2 free range Browns on Spotify and he quotes some of our lexicon oh corny, oh corny and he put a motorcycle emoji and a bunch of laugh faces.

So thank you Nate for that that's amazing.

We unfortunately are saying oh Kody to each other a few times in normal life, like we just functioned throughout our.

Days by saying oh Kody.

So I did a trophy.

Shake Nate.

I did a trophy.

Shake for your your comments.

Yes, she's shaking her fists.

Right.

Now it's amazing that could be misconstrued with.

That shaker saying, yeah, what was the love?

That one, You know what I mean?

Yeah.

What she's doing right now.

Oh, from that angle, it probably did look a.

Little strange.

Well, it was definitely a mustard seed honey.

We're going to keep on watching, we're going to keep on recording and we're going to keep on releasing episodes and hopefully you keep on listening.

Yes, we truly appreciate it and.

Thank you so much and enjoy this blessed day.

Goodbye.