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Season 2 episode 3.

Pretty exciting stuff.

Well, I had a little chuckle moment for myself when they were doing the intros at the beginning because they have their where the camera goes by them as they're I don't know if they're photos.

I think they're just photos.

Maybe they're moving.

I don't know.

But it's very much intro and it's Meri, Janelle, Christine, Robyn and Kody.

And they say they're tag lines, which we haven't discussed the tag lines.

Which is interesting.

We have not, and maybe we, maybe we will.

But the one that sticks out to me, of course, is Kody saying love should be multiplied, not divided.

And it's very interesting thing to say for a man who is marrying his fourth wife, who eventually ends up with only one.

And that story is still not finished, so.

Oh 'cause there could be none.

Well, we who knows?

The future is still the future.

We just wrapped Season 19 in real life.

Like real time.

Like what's happening right now while we're recording this?

No real surprises there because as we've discussed many times, this show moves very slowly and there's not a lot of things that happen.

So I feel like when I watch it in real time, I couldn't even tell you what happens.

But then again, that's kind of like rewatching it.

The the four part season finale, the one-on-one interview Ness or whatever.

I will give them some credit because they had some interesting kind of puzzle piece, like even some of the stuff that we're talking about today in these early episodes were referenced in this last season's and interviews, right?

Like there's actually like quite a bit of tie back to this very beginning part.

And so that was interesting because as we're seeing all of the other stuff and then flipping to current day, it was like what?

It was bizarre.

So doing this has been fun in in conjunction with that finishing up.

So in this episode they tell us that Kody is going to bring Janelle to Arches National Park which is in beautiful Moab, Utah.

They try to get away twice a year.

That area of the country is so beautiful.

Oh my God, it was.

Gorgeous.

And I don't know, I haven't stayed overnight anywhere or done anything crazy like that.

I've only driven through it a few times.

Like that corner of Nevada, Arizona, Utah is so pretty and it's like you see it on TV and it doesn't add up or it doesn't size up.

Like it's so much prettier in real life.

It's gorgeous.

I agree, I don't think you can do the the colors of that landscape justice on film.

Almost right.

Like it is completely beautiful and it was fun to see some of that.

It was definitely enjoyable to watch their their little camping adventure.

Their little camping adventure.

They try to get away twice a year, is what they were saying, while they're packing and getting ready.

It's funny because they cut to Janelle folding up things, doing whatever.

She's primarily getting ready.

It seems like in Kody's just coming in at some point and he's going to go do something.

And she says try to be fast, try to be focused.

I heard the try to be fast part.

I think I missed the focus.

That's hysterical.

It was so good because whatever he was doing, he was on his way to go do something.

And she was like, OK, like, rein it in, Here we go.

We are packing to leave.

Very, very funny.

And then they what they're hopefully only fight for the weekend happened as they were packing things up right?

Janelle is getting things ready in their room.

Looks, you know, things for camping.

Blankets, pillows, whatnot.

Like piles of stuff and the sleeping bags don't set.

Oh, that's right, Kody's like these need to be rolled up.

They're sleeping bags and Janelle's like.

Reminded me of how you say he always comes in and blows stuff up and causes chaos and that's exactly what he was doing.

I mean, it wasn't super chaotic, but it was also like, he's got to fuck something up here.

Totally.

Janelle has like everything pretty much probably accounted for and he's coming in and going, oh, sleeping bags need to be rolled up and she's like, there's no ipper.

The ipper's broken and he's like, well, then we'll just go to the store and buy something.

Janelle's like, we can just sleep with these.

We have multiple sleeping bags, blankets, pillows.

We have all the things we need.

She says that she always likes to be thrifty and that Kody's default is to buy solutions, like to quickly go and buy something to solve the problem.

I see the value in both to a certain extent because sometimes you do just want to like not deal with it.

And if it's inexpensive and whatever, you know, something like buying sleeping bags when you don't need them for one overnight is not a decision I would make.

So it was actually a good example demonstrating how he solves problems.

Probably well that he chooses to solve problems by just going to buy something if he can, rather than using what he already has.

I find that myself is likely the fuck it will just go buy new stuff, right?

Like that's probably what I'm choosing to do.

But knowing where they're at financially in the family, which we talk more about this later on in the episode.

Like Janelle is like, you dummy, we're not going to go spend 50 bucks on sleeping bags.

That's ridiculous.

You know, Yeah.

Also very funny when you actually see them setting up the tent later in the episode as well, because they're not like sleeping on pads.

They have a blow up air mattress.

Yeah, a regular.

You don't need a fucking sleeping bag.

Yeah, on an 18 inch off the ground blow up air mattress.

Like, come on, you idiot.

I don't know.

I that just made the whole argument to me even funnier.

Like, it's not like you need to be sleeping with this underneath and wrapped around you, you know, Kody.

100 and as a primarily single person in my entire life, I know don't cry for me, Argentina.

I get jealous of couples that have their 18 inch off the ground blow up mattress and their blanket.

I've gone in and been like, can I cuddle with you guys?

And it's so warm and it's so comfortable.

I'm like, I'm sleeping on the ground with no other heat.

No one gives a fuck.

I could die in this tent and no one would know.

And you have all of these life luxuries.

But so yeah, definitely some blankets on a blow up mattress is perfectly fine for camping, especially if you're actually camping.

Right, right.

So they made it through the fight, thank goodness.

But they, I, I can't say, seem like they were in full agreement when they shoved the blankets in, you know, the vehicle as they were heading out.

A good compromise that Janelle got her way.

Yes.

She.

Sure did as she fucking should have in this situation.

Totally, totally.

They show a few clips of the family.

So then they start transitioning into kind of their nests, how they have to live on a budget because they don't have a lot of money.

They have to make ends meet.

And one of the voice overs from Kody is that he, he says, I want to say it's communal, but it's really more socialistic, which is interesting because I'm not sure that he quite understands how those things are fairly paralleled.

And I don't know if he thinks that socialistic sounds worse than communal.

I, I don't really know.

I mean, he's definitely a where we go when we go all person and so whatever.

He's Mr.

Independent, he's never had to rely on anybody, blah blah, blah, blah.

He's whatever that means.

But realistically he's saying his family is kind of like socialism because people contribute and they take out and they live.

Did that do anything for you?

I don't know, I think that that might be trying to make it sound a little bit more overly complicated than what it is, right?

Like or putting a label on it that's unnecessary.

You're, you're a family living together as a family and everyone contributes in their own way and together you support your family, right?

Like it's nobody's getting a free ride per SE, right?

Like they are all just working.

I I would say it is communal really, but like, I don't know, it doesn't seem.

But like every family.

Is right like it's not groundbreaking to me so I don't know like if.

The son needs shoes.

You're like, go get a job and.

That's not and there's a lot of families in the country world that live lives together, different generations, different things, right?

Like there's a lot of different family situations.

So to me, I'm just like, duh, of course you guys are going to do that.

But he did say that the number one question they get asked is how can they afford it, right?

Like how can they afford what they do?

And I think we've kind of known the basics of what they do, you know, in the last season and beginning of this.

But they went a little bit more in detail with how they handle all of that stuff, I guess, which was, I mean, interesting, you know, like, I don't know.

There's a voice or there's an interview, a spotlight moment for Janelle where she references that with Robyn joining their family, that they have finite resources and they need to make them stretch further because another person is joining the family.

They gave a few details about what some of the people were going through.

What do you what?

What were those details?

So they kind of shared a little bit about how Janelle was, yes, worried, right, that Robyn coming in was not going to be easy for them.

But Christine was like, Oh my gosh, I have help.

You know, she has truly as a baby, she has all of this.

It was relief for her.

And she was like, OK, cool, I have somebody else.

So there was a little bit of more balance for her.

I do think it's interesting because they said it several times in this episode, and maybe we've heard a little bit before about how Christine was really being stretched thin, you know, even before she had truly, but just that it was like a lot that she had been kind of struggling with that.

So that was interesting.

I kind of think that when they're talking about that, it's when she was still working part time.

But I don't know.

And I mean, to be fair, watching that many kids is a challenge.

I'm not trying to make it sound like it isn't, but I think one person would be able to do it.

I I don't know, she was bored out over gored the first day the kids went to school, so you know.

Yeah, I think watching that many kids, I'd not survive right.

I'd be capable of doing it right, but I would not be a happy person.

Because her narrative is still that she enjoys doing it.

She like this is what she wants to do to contribute to the family.

She doesn't want to work.

So, you know, maybe it was too much and maybe I'm just an asshole who doesn't have any kids, but, you know, you know.

Amen, I guess.

Yeah, there's.

Maybe it's a little in the middle.

It's a little in the middle.

We're not, you know, maybe we're not totally like she's terrible, but also like she could do a little more and probably still be OK, right?

Yeah.

And I don't think that it's terrible.

I'm I'm more thinking like trying to give her a little grace if it is from when she was also working because that for the expectations to be that you're the stay at home parent who has a part time job, that is not a stay at home parent like no.

So you know.

Yeah, it's, it's tricky.

And I'm sure figuring out how to balance out.

Well, clearly they struggle with figuring out how to balance all of that, right.

Yeah, Robyn said something along the lines of how it was like her rite of passage, right?

Like, going through all of this and then, you know, definitely how she felt uncomfortable not having anything financially to contribute when she came in.

Clearly, there had been plenty of conversations with the family about finances and how Janelle was very concerned.

Like, you can tell that Robyn is concerned that Janelle is concerned.

Yes, yes.

So she's like, I just need to show them my value and hope that the disruption was worth it, right?

Which is so great to watch now knowing what happens in the future.

Turns out.

Most of the things she says in this episode, it's like, wow, that is not how that turned out.

Her holy shit.

If only they had known.

Like you are saying the right thing.

As you have pointed out the entire first season she says the right thing.

Does it happen Only if the future will tell us.

But she's saying the right thing.

Quote UN quote.

Sure she is trying.

And they kind of do a little breakdown of how Kody and Janelle make the bulk of the money.

Janelle references that they basically take care of the mortgage and the utilities at the compound.

Yeah.

Robyn moves to town, and they have to rent an apartment for someone who doesn't have an income.

Interesting.

OK Meri supports herself in the sense of paying for her bills.

She makes it clear that she doesn't make the kind of money that Kody and Janelle make.

I think they're only referencing Kody making that kind of money because he's the man.

I don't know that who knows how much money he made, but I don't think it's enough to support his family.

Which is why Janelle also works and then also Meri works.

She just doesn't make a lot according to her.

But she also only has one child at home.

And because of that, it does feel like they have kind of a bit of a separate budget.

Like she might not have to contribute to paying for the mortgage in the utilities, but it does feel like she takes care of herself and Leon in a bit of a silo financially, maybe asks for less.

And I don't want to say contributes less because I'm not sure what that means when you have a a part time income and you don't have a roof to pay for over your head.

Like, I don't really know how that works out, but it does feel like there's a differentiation there.

Janelle made some comment about how you know they all try to work together for the needs of the kids and that while they have to be stingy sometimes, they at least meet their very basic needs.

Yes, the kids basic needs are met and that they are honest with the kids, particularly the older ones, about what their budget is after paying bills.

And I think it was Janelle that says that Maddie would have her buying something with every paycheck if it was up to Maddie.

And I'm going well, like, yeah, when you're 15 years old, it's like every paycheck.

I'm talking two or three things every paycheck.

Like what do you mean?

Like, how do you go weeks without buying something, but you make it work?

I mean, that's how I grew up.

We didn't get to go shopping, like, all the time.

So, like, it is what it is.

But it does suck when you're a teenager and you're like, particularly seeing friends, doing things, getting things, participating in things, and you don't get to that does suck.

And it's easy to.

Well, for me, I know it was easy to, like, point it out.

Like, I don't get this, I don't get that, blah, blah, blah.

I guess it's because I'm a spoiled brat.

But also teenagers.

Yeah, it's a whole thing.

Yeah, they said Maddie would do that.

And then Christine chimed in that Aspen would kind of be the same way.

And then I think that led to Kody saying, well, that must be that.

When you guys tell them no, they come to me, yes.

And I'm just going, oh, my God, like, you better not be sabotaging your whole family financially, just giving these kids everything they want.

You know, I think he's also trying to make himself look good right now.

I don't think he's actually just going out and buying the kids everything they want, but it is again, kind of that normal family nest, right?

Like they are playing one parent against each another.

Ask your mother.

Ask your father.

Yeah, ask other mom, and other mom will maybe try to help, you know, work that out for you in some fashion.

So cute in that sense, I guess.

But I'm just like, Oh my goodness, Kody, shut up.

Janelle reiterates that she is stressed, ensuring that all of the bills are paid.

There's a vibe that comes up, well that happens out of this episode of like Janelle being the financially responsible one, the one that is the bookkeeper of the family, the accountant of the family, etcetera.

It's funny because this does come up in the future, many years in the future, where there's kind of a like, no one wants to own having that role at all.

But here we are at Season 2, and someone's plenty fine with owning that role.

I think that the the differentiation though, is that what Janelle didn't want currently current day, present day ish was to be made to make it seem like she was in control of all of the financial decisions, right?

Like she did pay the bills and manage the accounts, but she didn't single handedly decide where every dollar was spent, right?

And so I think that's the way that she tries to clarify it.

Like, look, I wasn't just like, here's your allowance and here's your allowance.

Like, you know, it seemed like she was reacting to maybe some of the other sister wives, implying that Janelle wouldn't let or stopped something being spent in some fashion maybe.

When also thinking about the through the journey of the show, the other wives and Janelle do have ways of earning income and do branch out into other things.

Oh.

Boy, do they.

They do, right.

So we're not.

That was one thing that I should have just kept in mind when I was saying, well, Janelle wants to read the bookkeeper, but she doesn't want the bookkeeper.

Well, OK, A lot happens in the future.

So there's a lot of changes.

It was just interesting how this episode, given that it's the price of polygamy and budget is the theme.

Oh.

I see what they did there.

It's expensive to be a polygamist.

The emphasis is a lot about budget, and because that's Janelle's wheelhouse, we get a lot of Janelle in this episode.

This episode is basically Janelle and Kody, and everyone else just kind of shows up randomly.

I should say randomly.

They're supporting characters.

Agreed, and it's one of those episodes that actually I like in the sense that we've had some of seeing Christine like this too.

I like that they find a time to highlight one of the wives when they're looking, I'm not saying like made-up and fancy their best, but looking their best, brightest natural faces, like when they were camping.

Janelle looks so cute and she's just camping, right?

But she looks happy and a little sun kissed and smiling naturally and just like, you know, good stuff.

And I'm like, yes, yes, Janelle.

So yeah, I liked some of that.

And she's comfortable speaking about these things.

And that was something, I think the last episode or the episode before, I can't remember where it was one of the first times it was like we're actually getting to know these people as people now.

We're not just getting to know them as the characters of Sister Wives, which was so much the first season.

It was so much high level shit and now we're getting into it.

So they get through that interview portion with kind of everybody else and the money and the bill flashback and all of that.

We're now back to Janelle and Kody packing the car to go.

Kody's bitching the whole time about putting the quilt in the car because dear God, we don't need to bring a quilt camping.

And this is terrible.

So I'm watching him shove this quilt into the convertible because that's the car that we take camping and then I see that he has laid 2 button up shirts on hangers to take with them camping and those are on top of the trunk.

So I am just curious why a quilt while you're sleeping outdoors in a tent seems unreasonable.

But we're not talking about the fucking button UPS on hangers.

You never know when Kody's going to have to do a business casual meeting.

Oh, what about that?

He wears it hiking in the desert.

You know, like, shut up.

Yeah, he brought starched button.

Up to.

Fucking camping.

Now I am a gay fucking man and I have never brought anything on a hanger camping because that is crazy.

Like they're in a tent.

You're not in a yacht.

They're not in a camper.

They're not.

They don't have a closet.

They're in a fucking tent.

In a convertible.

Yeah, taking.

The I'm like did they even bring a cooler?

I don't like where did you where do you put the cooler?

Now cut to their campsite.

Actually worked out fine it seemed.

But like, yes, what the fuck was that?

Cooler was probably in productions car or some bullshit.

Yeah, they threw shit in the van.

Yeah, and it's like, don't help them out.

Don't help Kody.

Don't.

Help them out.

Oh, don't let him take the convertible so.

Stupid.

Yeah.

Kody's like I got to use this convertible whenever it's only me and one of my wives.

Show him I'm a real man.

I'm a sex machine.

Fuck that.

But then Janelle is standing outside of the packed car and they're interviewing her and it's funny, 'cause the first shot, it's like an overhead shot and I'm sorry, leaning back.

But she's like her heads up towards the sun and she's leaning against the car and there's a voice over her and she's just like saying something about how Kody takes so long to say goodbye to everybody.

And then they cut to her like actually looking.

And she acknowledges him.

And it's briefly funny because she's saying he takes so long to leave.

He has to say goodbye to everybody and everything.

And then all of a sudden she looks to to the side and there's Kody coming around the corner out of the house.

And it looks like, well, she's going to bite her tongue.

She just spoke too quickly.

And here's Kody.

And he stops and just turns around and goes back inside.

Like, yes, you dumbass, like you were totally not dumb.

Done.

And so then he goes back inside and says like goodbye to people and does whatever.

And it's just so great to see her having that moment of like, well, I was going to eat crow, but turns out, Nope, I'm not I'm right.

I'm always right.

It's.

So good, it turns out.

I love that.

I did think it was cute.

He stopped to give Meri a kiss and 1st gave her a kiss like on the top of the head and then like hugged one of the kids kids and he looked at her and he goes, Oh, do you want a real kiss?

And he leaned in and he kissed her on the lips.

And then as he was walking out, she goes always a real kiss like always, always.

And it was just like genuine couple stuff, you know, and I'm like, you did have a fucking relationship back then, you know, again, some of the things that come out in the future in the blame games and all of this.

And it's like, no, that was, that was real stuff, you know, so.

Definitely a real couple moment.

Yep, I love when they're leaving.

It's funny that you brought up the packing of the Lexus because I was like, I have to make a scene.

I have to make it known that it is so great to watch them speed off in the Lexus because it's just so weird.

Like, what is this car choice and why is it like, it's like it's one of the members of the Brown family?

Like he just has to have this convertible be a part of things.

I just wish that because you know, these moments had to have happened, You know what fucking happened that like maybe Janelle wanted to bring the fold up chairs or another little table to bring with or something.

There had to have been an argument about there's not enough room in the car.

Like that had to have fucking happened.

You cannot tell me that they got everything in that car that they wanted to.

They've been married for long enough, or she knows already.

And so she's like, I'm not even going to go there.

I have to only bring enough stuff that will fit in the trunk of this Lexus.

Maybe she likes the convertible.

Maybe she feels sexy riding in the convertible.

Maybe it's a cup.

It's.

I'm thinking it's just his fucking ego, but maybe it's enjoyable for her too.

I don't know.

I don't like my hair blown in the wind.

OK, that is not for me so.

But now, so if my man had a convertible, see The thing is I wouldn't want him to come with the convertible.

So this is, we're giving it a whole bunch of make believe here.

But honestly, if I had a man who was like, what about in the summer we had a convertible and we drove around in it, I'd be like, I'd be down with that.

Like I'd be down with that.

So I just feel like if he made it part of his personality, I'd be like, we got to talk about this.

So I don't really know.

Maybe I'd be down with the Jeep that you could remove the top from.

Oh my God, yes, that's that would be my vibe.

My Vibe is not a convertible right?

Yeah, no, a doorless Jeep or just topless.

Well, you know, that would be that would OK, you wouldn't have I could doorless Jeep.

I'd be shaken.

I'd have to have a harness.

Like what am I even talking about?

You'd have to be drugged.

They'd be like she needs to be sedated.

Put in the car, she'll be.

Fine.

Your body's like going back and forth, yes.

So they do make it to Moab, right?

Beautiful campsite look just.

And Moab comes up in the future for other reasons, which I'm.

Saying Moab very loudly, thank you because Moab is a very popular place current day.

Yeah.

So they get there, they are working through their tent setup and everything.

They, you know, it's going fine.

But there did happen to be, again, the landscape is beautiful, right?

So there are these kind of like dilapidated trees, you know, kind of hanging around and the camera, like you can tell they were, they're probably standing back and they're like, Oh my God, this is going to look so cool.

And they went on the other side of the trees and we're like shooting through the trees at Kody and Janelle.

And it, you know, I get it.

I probably would have thought, like, they should have just posed for a picture between the two.

It did not look good.

It looked weird, and it was wobbly and uncomfortable.

And it's like, OK, well, you really tried hard there.

So that was great.

But yeah, it did not.

Did not to help at all Yeah, the trees look terrible money shot.

Well, no, and the trees are probably really cool in person, but on the screen it was just like I no, please don't.

Put that there.

It looks like they gave a camera to like a 13 year old who was like, I'm going to do this and it's like, OK, well we're actually watching ATV show, but OK.

That's exactly what it was.

They cut back to some interview moments at the house where they're talking to the people that, well, to people that are not camping in Moab.

And Christine talks about how she uses coupons.

They kind of show, they show her shopping.

And I'm not sure if this is the moment where she's shopping, but they show her shopping and she uses coupons.

She buys in bulk and she cans things to save money.

Oh, she is shopping at the store because they show the example of her at the checkout where she's like, my goal was $300.00 and it was $300 on the dot, which was pretty great timing, very comedic, very funny.

I'm not surprised to hear about this, but it is interesting because then they transition into a shot with the storage room for the bulk food, which was a visual moment because it is a, you know, 6 by 12/6 by 10 room in the basement with shelves that have canned goods, bulk products, all this stuff, which, you know, makes sense.

I'm not surprised that they have this.

It was just kind of a like, do you have a bulk room at home?

I I do not now I, I joke about making my bunker, you know, at least once a month, but I do not have it in process yet.

Yeah.

It was a little alarming to see because it kind of looks like they're preparing for the end of the world, but really they're just having food to feed their family.

That's the odd part about it.

So it was.

Yeah, definitely didn't.

I mean, it makes logical sense 150%, but the visual of it was jarring.

It was.

It was like, OK, but she did.

She said that she saves the family money, right?

Like, that's it.

Yeah, She makes money by saving money.

That was it, Yes.

And that was pretty good.

And clearly she does, like you can tell that she plots it out really well and she had a shit ton of food for $300.00.

So like Oh my God, it was crazy town today.

She'd have half a cart.

But back then I worked out good.

And then Robyn was trying to justify her drain on the family and she said she's the go to girl for anybody.

She'll take care of kids.

She'll just help you out.

I'm just the go to girl.

Yeah, because if there's somebody you want is the go to girl in your life, it's definitely Robyn Brown.

Right.

When they're sitting on the couch, there's a point where Meri cracks a joke about the babysitting.

I love this.

Oh my gosh.

And it's, I know that Kody says.

Like, she's not a babysitter, she's a mother about Robyn.

But did that strike your strike you in any way?

I thought it was hysterical because she's like, we have built in babysitters.

And he, you know, the had the tone in his voice been any different, I think it would have been very interesting because he was still kind of joking, laughing when he said she's not a babysitter.

But like 5 years down the road, if somebody had said that, you know, as they kind of have settled into more of the animosity, I think he would have said that and been a real Dick about it.

And maybe not five years down the road, but whatever, you know?

Like this was laughy and jokey, but he meant what he meant like.

It had a yes, there was a a vibe to it of like, watch what you're saying, even though that wasn't what he said, right?

Right.

He but he needed to stick up for Robyn.

So that leads me to wonder, you know, right?

Is this just his obsession and infatuation with Robyn or is this something that he already knows that had he not said something like that once they got home, Robyn would have been like, and they called me a babysitter and you know, whatever.

And then he now feels like he has to stick up for those things.

It was just interesting.

He doesn't.

I don't want to say that.

I was going to say that I feel like he doesn't stick up for many of the wives in the in certain ways, but I guess there are times he does actually kind of stick up for all of them in a sense.

But this one rubbed me differently for sure.

Because we're really just starting to get into the nitty gritty of who these people are.

We haven't really seen anyone defending anyone specifically.

For the most part.

It's been more broad.

You know, we as a family, we as a culture, we as a cult defending those things.

Not so much individuals for things, but Robyn's definitely where it's going to start and Robyn's where it's going to be for a long, long time.

So after, you know, Meri gets scolded, they, they're talking more about the, the, the process of shopping, grocery shopping, how they go about these things with the family.

And Janelle kind of explains that her and Christine work through their grocery list together.

You know, Meri kind of does her own thing.

And obviously, Robyn, being in a different house, does her own thing.

They reference the pantry and say, you know, but of course that stuff is always there for everybody if they want it.

But truthfully, everybody kind of just does their own thing in that sense.

But Meri did say that she does help herself to things in the pantry.

Yeah, quite often.

Right.

Which, as she should find they're in the same structure.

Like, I think that's fair to say, right, Christine?

I said I ran out of sugar.

I couldn't believe it.

I'd buy sugar by the hundreds of pounds at a time.

Basically the flour.

Like 550 LB bags of flour.

I was like 50 lbs of a.

Oh God, that was insane.

So yeah, Meri says.

She admits that she was the one that took all the sugar.

Yes, playfully.

Playfully.

And Kody said well you're supposed to tell someone if you do that.

Like it.

Like scolded her again.

It was the second scold in like 3 minutes so I was like Oh my God.

And the way that she said it was clearly in jest.

She wasn't like, oh, I used all of your sugar and didn't tell you.

So him doing that little bit of finger wave was another moment of like, really?

We just can't let Meri have her joke and move on.

Very interesting.

And also, I would love to see Kody Brown well, enter the pantry properly, but like actually communicate something properly about anything they need to.

Do I'm sure he leaves plenty of updates about what he's taken that needs to be refilled and etcetera.

No, he just puts his demands.

Yeah, yes, yes.

He doesn't go into the fucking pantry.

There's another moment where Robyn references again about how she worked and supported her kids until joining the family.

And I will not let it go.

I will not let it go.

What did Robyn do?

Like, it's just like, what did she do?

She worked so hard.

She did all these things.

It's like we hear about your financial problems.

We hear about how you didn't have money and you were in a lot of debt.

What was this job?

What was this thing you were doing?

And when you were living in Saint George, how far away from your parents did you live?

Did she live with her parents?

Did she live with a family member?

I'm struggling to think that she had some sort of put together life with her kids in Saint George where she was just carrying around debt and really kind of broke, but then somehow would go four to five hours away for Sunday services to meet these.

Like, the math is not mathing.

And I don't understand how it is that she can so blatantly say repeatedly that she worked as a single mother and supported her kids and we're just supposed to like, take it hook, line and sinker.

It makes no sense to me.

And she does blanket statement it like I did this, I paid the bills, I took care of the kids, I fed them, I worked.

I did this, I did that.

And yeah, but with 0 explanation.

And you know what though?

They, none of them really talk much about what they actually do.

I I feel like now hers is in the past so you she should be able to talk about what she did.

And, and you are right, to be fair, we really only glean little bits more about what they do professionally, unless it's on the show down the road.

We only learn bits and pieces.

And oftentimes it's from the past, like, oh, this is what I did or this is what was going on.

So that but it.

Would've been in the past.

She would've already left those jobs and she could very much give brief I was in real estate, I was this.

Now she's not.

We know she doesn't have business sense, no.

So I think she probably was a babysitter.

Oh God that sounds terrible but.

I I'm having like a moment of shock because I'm like, well that tracks.

Does she run a daycare?

I'm thinking maybe she watched like friends kids or family members kids I.

And made just enough to like pay.

I honestly don't know.

And it's funny because I've read the book Becoming Sister Wives, where I'm supposed to have learned all these things.

Maybe she did say, but I don't remember.

And I'm like hooked on it.

Like I'm driven crazy by it.

So it makes no sense.

You guys, if you know?

Yes.

Please.

Yes.

Tell us, because clearly Chris is about to have a breakdown.

He does actually need the knowledge.

If you know what Robyn did for a living while she was supporting her children as a single mother, or if you worked with her, or if she sold you a bag of goods, or if you bought something from my sister Wise Closet and never received it, please leave us a comment on Spotify or on YouTube, wherever you're listening, let us know about it.

Maybe we'll reach out.

Or if you purchase something from my sister wife's closet and you did receive it, I would like to know specifically what it was and how the quality held up.

Yes.

So that'd be great.

Did it look like something out of 1/4 machine?

Because that's what I'm suspecting and.

Why did you buy it?

What?

What made you decide how they get you?

How they get you so good.

Because you know what?

For every valid dollar that Robyn's earned in her life, I want to give her one valid ounce of credit.

And that credit is worth nothing.

So I want to give it to her.

Imaginary credits.

Imaginary credit for Robyn.

And as part of this segment, Janelle says that she's hopeful Robyn will get a job and that it's not that she hasn't been looking.

So that's an interesting narrative too, that there's like a looking for a job, wondering what that means for Robyn.

What?

Jobs are we considering?

Well, what resume are you bringing to your job interviews?

Like what jobs are you even applying for?

Can you imagine interviewing her for a job?

Well, yeah, like, I can't imagine she can do much more than just maybe like, standing in a place and doing repetitive things.

I don't know.

Janelle is still like does give Robyn props though for helping Christine out still, right?

Like she's like, you know what?

It actually is super helpful for Christine to have Robyn around.

It just is nice that Janelle's giving her credit for the other efforts that she's putting in, you know, I mean, yes, she would prefer it turn into dollars, but other than that, like, you know.

She's.

Participating.

And they show footage of, you know, some of the kids being over at Robyn's place.

And I mean, this is production, so it is what it is.

But I don't think we have any reason to believe that Robyn wasn't trying to be helpful based on the things that Robyn says in this episode and the footage that they show and the comments from the other wives.

I don't think I have any reason to not suspect that her she really does want to be helpful to the family, not really through contributing money because that's not what they're talking about right now, but I bet she does try to help so.

I think where some of the dynamics change a little bit is when I'm going to probably screw up the explanation of this.

But like there are points where, yes, the other wives most certainly trust Robyn with their children, right?

And you can go to Robyn's, that's fine.

Robyn does not send her children ever to other wives homes, right?

Like we're not there yet.

We're not there yet with what's happening, but Robyn will not allow the same kind of submission.

I like, I don't think Robyn really wants her kids to have like she did marry and the kids had a pretty decent relationship at one point, but like I don't think she wants like when they're at this younger age to have other people mothering them.

I said that'll be coming and we'll show it.

And I think that that's part of why it doesn't all.

And again, if they had ended up in the same fucking house where they were all running around together, Totally different vibes.

Totally different.

Because at this point, the other wives are probably bringing their children to her house or she's picking them up, whatever.

They're spending time at her place.

If they're not at the compound, there was probably.

Was there ever a time?

Who knows, probably less than the fingers on my hand, where Robyn needed to bring her kids to another mother's home, to the compound and have them left there and cared for.

I doubt that happened because Mckelty would come watch them like the older kids would come over.

But right now, currently in the moment, yes, I think Robyn's contributing.

I think she's trying.

She had a really fun spotlight moment before they go back to the camping.

Where did you catch this?

Well, the one that I have is about how she says she wants to be missed if she wasn't there.

Yeah, she wants to be mourned.

Oh mourned.

Mourned, you know, the other wives, you know, if they're gone, they're they're mourned.

And I want to be missed.

I want to be more like, it's like we're we just gave you a whole bunch of props for all the stuff you're doing right, and yet here you are like it's just still not enough for.

Her a bit understandable that, you know, joining a family and seeing the concreted members and wanting to fit in to feel the same.

It's funny because it's I feel like she's pulling on the heartstrings or she's saying the words of things that a normal person would actually feel like.

Yeah, I mean, I'm joining a family.

I want to feel as valuable as them.

I want to feel that I am valued.

And so I think it's fair to say it's just weird because when she's saying it and we're watching this show, I'm like, like rolling my eyes.

I.

Wrote down Gross.

It's another.

Gross 'cause it's gross and she is gross, but it's like if you were dumb and, or, or maybe the first time you've ever seen this, you might be like, Oh well, Robyn, just blah, blah, blah.

But you have to be pretty fucking stupid to not put the pieces together eventually.

So I don't know.

Well, but I, I guess I think how I look at it is you want the connection today, six months in the respect the connection, the equalness immediately.

And these are women that have put in 1617 and 20 years to this marriage.

You're not there yet, right?

And so don't whine and cry about it.

Earn that validation exactly.

But I think that that is another thing that starts to happen with her is that she's still, even though he fawns over her like now, at the beginning it wasn't quite that, right?

So this is where I think some of these pieces start to drop is that she needs that equal of a thing.

She's not there yet.

He's trying to give it to her and she still is like, but I'm not as good as.

And then he starts fucking up all the rest of his relationships, you know?

Right.

Yeah, well, we just love Robyn.

No.

I'm starting the Robyn fan club.

Oh, you and so many members.

Will be there me and the three weirdos on Facebook that are like Robyn's great and it's like, what the fuck are you eating and drinking and sleeping and like everything sleeping, sleeping around, you know, like, oh, Robyn's great.

Why is everyone so mean to her?

The same reason everyone's mean to you, you moron.

Oh.

What now?

You should not insult the members of your fan club in such a way.

Oh yeah.

These are people you want to join.

You could I get to come up with some name, you know, like how people have like their fan names so there can be the Robyn fans.

Oh, this is going to be good.

I can't say the words that are immediately coming to mind because they're very much inappropriate, but.

When's that ever stopped you?

Oh, there's gonna.

Oh God.

Oh yeah.

Like the mouth breathers.

There's gonna be something good there's.

Coming soon Coming soon Chris's Robbins Fan club.

Name Chris's Robbins fan club member nicknames.

Also suggestions?

Oh yes.

Welcome, if you know, yes, if you have any good suggestions, you know, we already have like sob brows, you know, we've got a lot of things for Robyn.

So there's, there's, there's where there's room to work here.

Yes, yes, I can't wait.

Janelle talks about all the kids and thinking that their mom is the favorite.

I thought there was.

Which was cute and references how all the kids see them alone together as far as the mothers with Kody and must come to that conclusion.

And she said that she feels like the center of Kody's universe when they're together.

And she's not the only one to say that.

I think all of the wives say that.

So he's got a way of turning something into something and making them go, I'm the center of the universe.

Oh, the body language that was happening there was really special.

Thank God we're on audio only.

Yeah, thank you for that.

They do all seem to have that fairly genuine thing and and also be fairly comfortable talking about it.

If there's a prop, even in season 1, they had some conversations about stuff like that, right?

So like at least at this point, if they're having problems about things, they're at least trying to kind of handle them and balance them, right?

But they do all seem to get that time and dedication in different ways.

And he says something along the lines of their his marriages are each their own independent power and bond.

Yeah, right.

Yeah.

And at least right now, that's true.

It does appear that way.

And at least right now, I, I just, it's killing me to see him all in the same home.

Like it's just killing me to see that because it's the, he comes up and the kids are all hi dad and they're all right there.

And I'm like, God damn it, you guys, you should have, should have kept that up.

Janelle does reference that she is considering a trailer sometime in the future though, as they're camping because she doesn't want to lay on the ground on her back.

And she says, I've been thinking about a trailer.

Oh, I miss that.

Yeah, Yep.

So in the future, Janelle gets her trailer.

Dreams can come true.

It can happen to you.

She doesn't last longer than the teepee.

Yes, yes, even with all the talk of the camping this episode, I was like, you're not even going to talk about your extended stay in the teepee?

Well, that was it.

She was like, I love camping.

And it almost looked like she might just like, it really did.

It almost looked like she was going to say something about it because she had this funny look on her face.

She had this funny and she's like, I wish I did it more often.

And then that's when she said she wanted a trailer.

And I was like, Oh well, didn't think you'd be living in one in 10 years, but hey, girl.

She definitely, when talking about her love of camping, looked like there were at least three things she could share.

It was.

There was more.

And maybe she did and they didn't.

You know what?

Yeah.

They probably robbed us of this moment.

She.

Probably, yeah.

She gave us a price.

Pearl Because they were probably like, we're not listening to you talk about living in a teepee for an hour.

People are going to think you're insane, right?

But in all reality, it's like, I want to hear the like, give us a whole episode about the teepee.

That would have been better.

So that was, I mean, it's cute.

I do love that about Janelle.

She has this, well, I think later she refers to it as Earth.

She's a earthy person, an Earth woman, an Earth mother, something she's had a thing about the outdoors and camping and whatever.

So it's great to see her get enthusiastic about it.

It's definitely in her element.

And I like it too, because even though I might be the gayest man on this podcast, I do enjoy hope so.

I do enjoy camping.

I mean, we've been out at at state parks and county parks and all of that.

Like I do like pitching a tent and sleeping under the stars myself.

So I appreciate that.

Like to now I don't do it as often as I would like, but it is a good time.

I think what you're referencing when you talk about her talking about how she's an earthy person, that is coming from in one of the last episodes of this current season, yes.

And it is also when she is very sure to tell us that she is an extremely sexual being.

Now she's.

Not asexual.

No, and she wants that to be very clear.

She enjoys food, she enjoys wine, she enjoys sex.

Yes, she's Mother Earth.

She is Mother Earth and she wanted everyone to know that.

So I, I feel like we've always known Janelle was a sexual person.

So I would like to know who the people on the Internet are that are telling her that she's not, you know?

How random?

I well, what?

Because she was justifying it like she was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not me.

So Kody.

References it throughout the show.

Then he's like, you know, the her.

Toy Yeah.

So I don't know.

But that was, yes, that was her Mother Earth moment.

And I'm just so glad she told us, because never would have known.

And I well, and yes, we appreciate this about you.

Now as a group, they talk about how that there is a good balance of like income, income producers and their family versus caretakers.

So while we've already talked about this multiple times and it it's just a reoccurring theme of the episode is that they are pointing out the challenges and difficulties and they're, you know, maybe frustrations are the things they have to do with the kids, but ultimately they're like, we're fairly balanced.

It's not out of balance.

And so I like that they kind of reiterate that so that at least we're not just focused on the financial issues.

They're like we're actually doing OK.

What's always a struggle.

We have a hard time making ends meet sometimes, but we make it work.

Right.

They just wish they had more money.

It's not that like anybody's, you know, fucking everything up.

They're the only ones.

We just need some more money, that's all.

Like, that'd be great.

Yeah.

Which we totally understand.

At one point, they are filming in Meri's home.

OK, OK.

And she's sewing or something I.

Wasn't really painting with the Kitty.

Yep, and I Oh yes, the cat was there.

I don't even know what she was talking about.

I was so distracted by all of the America and red white and blue decor behind her.

The country, God Bless America, yadda yadda on this one wall, if I could have counted the matching pieces of decor, Dozens, maybe.

I don't know.

It was a lot.

Now, Meri does love some patriotic accoutrement.

Interestingly enough, she just did something online Hawking some products that were red, white and blue, patriotic, all the whatever.

In this time of filming, we are coming up on the 4th of July.

So I think that's why she was doing it.

And people were commenting online about her obsession with like USA and red, white and blue and American flags.

And I thought I was so clever because I was, but I'm not.

I was inspired by someone else's comment because Meri's name is spelt MERI and they were talking about her Americana.

Oh.

My God.

Spell capitalizing MERI and I was like oh I can do better.

So then I replied to it in a loving way, saying I'm proud to be an American and it's like American.

But anyway, a Meri a Meri is very proud to be an American.

An.

American a Meri A Meri.

Quite contrary, OK.

How does her patriotism grow?

Well, it grows on a sewing machine and from discount mid level marketing scams.

Yes, it was special.

Super special.

Do you remember Sir Robyn's going and picking up some kids from some houses, Right, Because she's doing her contributing.

I think she's at Christine's.

Yes, Gwendolyn.

Gwendolyn and.

Yeah.

Whoever did you see the entryway of the home?

I did.

And you know, what I thought was funny was that I was choosing to not bring it up.

Oh, hysterical.

Yes, because I was like, this can't be one of the several other moments where I'd notice the background and I go like short circuit and kind of can like feel my body getting dirty.

That wasn't happening for me even though it was the environment to happen.

I thought, Chris, this surely can't be one of those moments for you.

There has to be worse and I think there is worse, so.

I guess I am proud of your restraint.

I think that speaks volumes, but it was really fucking dirty.

It did look like no one knew that anyone was showing up to film.

Once again, you're filming ATV show and your house looks like this.

Like a three by 5 entryway.

Yeah, entry hall for her basement.

Unit take maybe 2 1/2 minutes to do a quick little.

Like a sweep.

It really just needed a sweep.

There was just shit on the floor stuff.

It it was crazy, so good job not mentioning it.

I apparently had to this time, so we'll just do that.

You don't have to be the bad guy every time about Christine's home.

It's funny that Robyn is leaning in and trying to be so helpful.

Maybe she could pick up a broom.

Maybe she could pick up a Windex bottle Now.

Also, women get territorial, and I'm not going to say that she should be cleaning anybody else's home.

Suddenly I'm crossing the line.

But it's funny how if she wants to lean in and be helpful, it's like there's an entire compound, you know, Janelle would be like, go ahead.

Janelle.

Would be like, go ahead, you're right.

But Christine might be a little offended.

I don't know.

It's hard to say.

I don't know if anyone would be offended.

I think it can go both ways though, so completely agree.

But there is just something really nice when somebody like has the time and they just are like sitting there like, well, I could do nothing or I could clean your house and they just do it.

I used to do that when I babysat.

All the time.

The time surface clean.

We're not talking about going crazy.

I just, sometimes I did go crazy.

Like I, you know, I'd be vacuuming and shit.

I'm like, I'm not just gonna sit here.

I can't fall asleep like whatever.

And I would clean the fuck out of those people's houses.

That's a good babysitter.

Yes, I was.

I was sought after, you know, I'm not saying that's Robyn's duty.

She is not a babysitter, as Kody has pointed out.

Right, she is not a babysitter.

Anyway, it was dirty.

So then we're cutting back to Moab the next morning.

Moab, the sun is rising amongst those bright orange and Reds, those burnt colors.

I can't get over how much I love that part of the country.

Like if it was more friendly for a homosexual to live there and have a life that was interesting outside of the natural surroundings, I'd be all about it.

Sedona.

And there's even something about some Santa Fe Ness.

But that corner specifically, like southern Utah.

St.

George just South of there is so gorgeous, but I so I would love to go there on vacation.

This is I don't have to live there.

I should just go back on vacation.

Even just out of Flagstaff they have like the Painted Desert and stuff.

Like, I mean, it is just, you know, it's what they saw in the mountains.

So I mean the.

Angels singing or something, I think.

And there's parts of the high desert that are like basically like Prairie land.

Like here it's just a different kind of grass.

I don't find that interesting.

But these rock formations are just gorgeous.

Janelle's putting things together from their campsite and Kody comes up behind her and gives her a little smooch.

And the first thing I thought of was post coital smooch now did it?

Definitely had morning sex.

I was since they did it cross.

OK, it crossed my mind that they had a little whoopee.

I feel like they probably had sex a couple times, don't you?

OK.

Evening and morning, probably.

Hopefully, I hope.

I hope Janelle was like, make it happen multiple times.

Well, yeah.

And he definitely looks like he's giving a lover a kiss after a romantic evening and morning.

I was thinking he looked good.

The bloat mattress.

I'm like.

Who would not noise?

Would that make?

Just rubbing on rubber.

I don't know.

Yeah, whatever noises bloat mattresses make.

I haven't had sex on a bloat mattress in like 3 days so I don't know.

Now I thought he was looking good that morning.

Well, this is it.

And I'm saying like, and he was in a hoodie and jeans and.

He looked like a normal man.

He did a little relaxed, a little chill.

It was pretty great, yeah.

Which leads to a discussion about affection.

Yes, and I thought this was interesting too.

Janelle, you know, the At first, they start by talking about their differences and how Kody said that as he's aged and grown, he realized that showing affection was important to him, that he didn't know that it was.

And to be fair, we don't know what's important to us all the time.

Like sometimes we go in to who we're going to be and what's important to us.

So as he's going through his journey of discovering that, oh, I actually do like to show affection, he realized, well, I have to actually vocalize this and share this with someone like Janelle who?

Janelle does seem to be a little bit more like not into PDA, not into the thing, not showing affection in those kind of ways.

I think she it might be a little bit misrepresented that she's not interested in it at all.

Like, I don't know.

I don't think that that's probably true.

I think her situation makes her be a little bit more standoffish because of joining the family as the second wife.

See, I actually took it as she did not like PDA.

Like she yes and she said I didn't like PDA.

OK.

Yeah.

Fair enough.

And I think there's differences, right?

Like, I'm not a super PDA person.

I don't like to be like all affectionate and lovey dovey in front of other people, but like in my own home or, you know, whatever, Like that's a different story.

I think that's just kind of how she was more behind the scenes, right?

And he said that, no, this is important to me and I need this.

And she actually started working on it, right?

So that was pretty good.

But then she made some reference to how Meri has always kind of been all over Kody.

And so when Janelle was trying to figure out how to be more affectionate kind of PDA wise in that sense, they almost had to come to a balance because Meri was always on or something like in the younger years maybe, like, I don't know.

So lots to kind of break down there I guess like I don't know.

What made me think of some details from their book Becoming Sister Wives, where Janelle talks about from her perspective, moving in after they get married, even before she got married, but particularly after she gets married and she moves into this trailer with Meri and Kody.

If it's not an actual trailer, it's like they I think it's the time when they were in a trailer.

They call it the trailer, but single wide, whatever it is, I'm trying to it's hard to remember where they are at certain times when they this book like it's not exactly well written and it's from the perspective of four different people.

So it's a little all over the place, but Janelle talks about being now in this home, moving in with her husband and his already existing wife and how they were very open about their PDA stuff.

Like they were a married couple, newly ish married.

I mean, I think they had been married for two years plus whatever.

When all this kind of went down and they hadn't had a child yet.

I think they were still in a somewhat of an extended honeymoon period.

And then Janelle's around and Janelle felt, I think she says in the book now don't quote me, but something along the lines of how you feel like when you're a friend with a couple.

3rd wheel, the third.

Wheel and they're doing their thing and you're just there.

But she's his wife, right?

So like that would be so uncomfortable.

I cannot imagine.

Unbelievably uncomfortable.

And I think Kody does reference this later on at some point about how Janelle's mom said to him, like you kind of need to knock off the PDA stuff with Meri because it's making Janelle uncomfortable.

But I it's hard to visualize now because Meri and Kody are not all that PDA even at this point in the show.

But they were younger and they were.

And I just don't know what it means to try to be with someone when they're all over someone else and you're not a part of it.

Like I don't really know what.

That means it didn't register to me initially when that comment was brought up about Janelle's mom saying that to Kody.

Yeah.

And then realizing that that's like Kody's stepmom.

Kind of Yeah.

Sister, wife, Mom.

Yeah.

Other mom.

Mom, Not really, but because he was kind of an adult when they got together.

Yeah, I don't know other mom.

But weird.

Yeah, I hadn't put that piece in place yet.

Yeah.

This is.

So fucking weird.

Like it's just so fucking.

It's like, OK, you can downplay it.

I mean, I'm not saying incestuous, but I'm saying like it's fucking weird.

Your mother-in-law slash your other mom is.

Slash your dad's wife.

Is coming to you to tell you, hey, it's probably best if you drop off the PDA with Meri because it's really making Janelle uncomfortable.

And you're like, OK, but I'm married to both these women and like, I don't even know what that means.

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.

As they are getting things packed up in the morning at the campsite, Kody did mention that they were very happy they had the quilt.

Right, right.

He's so so he acknowledged that at the campsite and then in their their couch interview later in front of everyone said, well, Janelle was right.

Yes, she was.

And and Janelle like look of shock and surprise on her face what I was but Meri and and and Kody and and I was wrong.

And they all get a good laugh out of that, and it's amazing and it's funny for all the reasons that it's funny.

Absolutely.

Any time a man admits to being wrong, it's some sort of like ego bruised dramatic moment.

And so there has to be a way to disarm people in the situation is to make it comical.

Also, I mean, it was a bit, I mean, it certainly wasn't like he invested their life savings in a Ponzi scheme.

Like he was just admitting that she was right about bringing the the thing.

So it was easy for him to probably say that so.

It was, yeah, but sometimes men like him will do anything possible to avoid saying that someone else is right and I was wrong about any little fucking detail.

And so they are like I will take this one as the when it is.

And it is different.

It's one thing to say you were right and then to say I was wrong.

There is a difference in that.

So it was a cute moment and it was funny.

I was so glad Meri got that.

I think it's funny.

I don't ever tend to force the and I was wrong point.

If I'm told that I was right, I'll take that.

Yeah.

That's all I need.

Yeah.

That's all I need.

Yeah.

And I may ask you to stop for a second so I can record you saying it.

Right.

Especially to a teenager.

Yeah.

But like, yeah, that's all.

I just need to hear that.

Yes, I was in fact correct.

Did you get a successful recording of your teenager saying that you were right?

I feel like I did.

I know you either did or you tried and didn't quite get it.

I can't remember if I heard.

Both has happened to be honest with you because I really am trying to document it to the best of my.

Ability.

100 on this day in 2025, you told.

Me, I was right once.

So good.

There's some talking points or talking head moments, some spotlight moments to wrap up the episode, and one of the lines that Kody said is that there will always be a team.

And like some other things along those lines, I thought that was interesting.

Families like to think they'll always be a team.

I think spouses like to think they'll always be a team.

This team in particular will not always be playing the same game or on the same side of the field or anything like that.

Well, I almost laughed out loud, but then I thought that was mean.

I still might have done it.

I can't remember, but it's ironic, right?

Like, it's, it's weird looking back at these moments and these beliefs that they had and what they were doing and how it was truly going to go and then knowing that in a few short years it's all going to fall apart.

And like, I just, I don't know, I feel really cynical about some of the stuff we watch now because I'm like, you know what?

Yeah.

At that time, they really did think that they were all going to be together.

And like, of course they had to think that because how would you go through your life in that manner if you didn't really think that this is my family and this is how we're supposed to live?

You know, like they wouldn't just choose to do it for funsies, so.

We talked about that in season 1, you referenced something about how couples when you're not in a good place, you're still putting on a show for your other family members and friends and whatever.

And this didn't feel like that, but it's along the in that same realm of like we got to go for like you.

It's like a belief, like it's like we're going for it.

We're.

I really think they thought they would, though.

Yeah.

Like at these points in time, even with the transition of Robyn coming in and things like that, I think the only person that has made any sort of like, not even really true statements about not living this life for the rest of their lives.

But Christine made some like comments when she was jealous or something in the first season, right?

Like I don't know if I can do this or something, but it was kind of big contexty picture.

It wasn't just that right now they're in it and they're doing it and they believe that they will always be a team, sadly, as we know.

That's not the case.

No, I think if Robyn some time and you know.

I stopped listening.

It gets a little.

I didn't listen.

I know, I know it gets.

I have the same thing with.

Kind of.

I have in parentheses Robyn said stuff.

Right, Robyn said.

I didn't listen.

Robyn said.

Some shit.

She talks about how people in the family, people in this polygamous family in the lifestyle, etcetera, become better people by being less selfish and by being a part of this thing where you have to step back and some more word salad from her.

It's very her and Kody are really great at this word salad stuff where like they say a lot and then you're like, I don't even know if I took away what I was supposed to, but it made me think of like her with this like sacrifice bit and the sacrifices that they make for this family and the sacrifices.

And I'm like, what exactly are you sacrificing?

What exactly is it that Robyn ever sacrificed?

I don't really know that she's doing.

I mean, OK, so currently she has a roof over her head, her kids are fed and she's doing some childcare after marrying a man and becoming getting on ATV show.

And like, it just seems like she's making it seem like they're all becoming better people because of this polygamous lifestyle.

She talks about this lifestyle and polygamy like she's she's the expert, she's the Oracle.

She can tell you all about what it does for people.

What?

OK, so maybe her mom married someone who was already married to somebody else.

I don't know exactly when.

That was with her childhood.

So it's not that she's never been in polygamy, but as an adult, she's never been in polygamy.

And I think it's interesting that she was married to a man for so many years and they never found another person to join their family.

She was a single mother who for many years, never had anybody else come in.

Although Kody will say men are just fawning over her.

Yeah, I was just so worried about how all these men are all over Robyn.

Well, she was single.

She had to drive four or five hours to meet someone.

And then she just talks about this lifestyle as if she knows that when as an adult with kids, she's never lived it.

And so I kind of get annoyed that they give her the talking head moments of this, like what we're supposed to get from polygamy and what it really does for people when there are women that have lived it, are in it, have been married in it 16/17/20 years.

And she's giving us what this is going to do for the family.

Like, bitch, you just showed up.

Sorry that was long.

I know I'm, I'm, I'm letting all that sink in for a second because again, I didn't listen to her say it because I couldn't.

I was just like, shut the fuck up, like and.

What she said was nondescript.

You know, it was literally like, we get better because we're here and we're sacrificing for the family.

And that's what polygamy is all about, OK?

I'd love to know what a really truly what the goal.

Polygamy isn't about sacrificing, it's about men being, what's the the word lifted, lifted up like proselytized or something, right?

Like like these men.

Creating those communities around them to worship them is what this is about.

But that's not what the women think, no, but what they're, they're brainwashed into.

The women do infer that there are the struggles to go through and things like that, but even to this day I feel like most of the ones we've talked about that we've heard are from Robyn.

The way the other wives describe why they wanted to get into polygamy and why this was how their religion is or what it it does seem like the way Robyn explains those things and and the other wives explain those things are not a lot.

They're definitely different.

And so that.

The other wives often times talk about like a calling and that this was always the path that they knew God told them.

And Robyn's talking about how you will be benefited by being in this lifestyle, whatever, through sacrifices.

And she hasn't even been part of a plural family as an adult, so whatever.

Well, she makes about as much sense as usual, so that was great.

Got to love her.

Did you catch the Mr.

Mom joke at the end?

Well, I know Kody cracked some joke about something with the wives and home and whatever, but I'd missed the detail.

He volunteered that all of the wives could go to work, yes.

And he would stay home and be Mr.

Mom, right?

And I think all of them were like, yeah, cool, you bet, sounds good.

And then said you would never survive.

He would never be able to do.

It Oh my God.

No, he wouldn't.

Absolutely not.

He.

Definitely would not.

It would be fun to watch for a few days, but the women would all come home.

The house would be a disaster.

Food wouldn't be cooked.

He'd be hiding in a closet, rocking back and forth, sucking his thumb.

You know.

Yeah, they would have had to go to the chiropractor three times that day.

Oops.

Never practer in quotes.

Yep, Yep, Yep.

Oh God, she's just out of alignment.

Oh, that's so terrible.

I know.

I'm like, I'm like, I don't even do me to make that.

Don't.

Mean that.

Don't mean to.

Make allegedly, not even allegedly.

We're not alleging that.

Not not alleging anyone's out of alignment even though whatever mustard seed and shit stain for season 2 episode 3, The Price of polygamy.

Oh, that was beautiful, Chris.

I hope everyone has their at home auto tune machine cranked up so that that made any sense.

When you edit this and put it together, I want you to do that in like a balloon voice.

Like, like you just sucked in helium and.

I like your suggestion.

Let me play around with it.

Maybe I'll have to repeat it a few times.

Here we go with some different vocal effects.

OK, we'll see what really brings out my timber.

Can't wait and really lets me shine.

Can't wait.

Yeah, real excited.

Mustard seed and shit stain.

Do you have one that you're ready to go with right off the bat?

I do for the mustard seed.

Mustard seed.

Let's hear.

It Janelle.

Yes.

Oh yeah.

Like just easy, be easy.

Like just everything.

Janelle, the camping, the bills, the honesty, the everything.

I don't think there was anything dislikable about Janelle in this episode.

Agreed.

Agreed.

I think my mustard seed, it's funny because yeah, I would like to give it to Janelle, but I think I will go with Christine because of the budget shopping and her, her when she says I make this family money by saving this family money, I believe her.

I believe that that is true.

I think that the reason that she buys 50 LB bags of flour is because she's baking those buns, she's baking that bread, things that are literally saving the family money through her efforts.

And even though her cleanliness is something I will never be OK with, I will never ever, ever, ever be OK with.

I do have to give her mustard seed because I think that's great.

And I love that shit.

I love being thrift.

You know, I can make a dollar stretch.

So I'm very, very pro Christine in this episode.

I also would like to add that not only is she saving by or making money by saving money, I think she also probably works really hard to not have.

I think they all do, but but specifically her and how she's, you know, home more often to not have any like waste of food, right?

Like they probably first in, first out, they rotate that food, they make sure they're using it.

They don't buy stuff on bad like they really plan those meals out.

So they're using what they have like they have to.

And you just know that the dollars that they spend on stuff like groceries last them a long time, considering the amount of people that they have in that family.

When Christine and Janelle reference their partnership and kind of their budget attacks and their whatever, my suspicion is that it's mostly implemented and planned by Christine with approval from Janelle and funding.

Let's go with funding.

Also help with the math.

Right.

Like, yeah, totally.

Like, does this make sense?

Like, I feel like this is what I want to do.

Like, I'm going to go to the grocery store and I'm going to spend $300 on bringing home, like a whole car full of food.

And Janelle's, like, do it.

And that that's them working together because both of their kids get fed.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now it's good teamwork.

Teamwork makes the dream work.

Dreamwork.

Now it's time for shit stains.

Do you have one ready?

Well, I could say how about you do yours and I'll do the other one like, I don't know, it's worth thinking that.

This I know.

Well you did the first mustard seed, so you get the first shit stain.

OK, Well then I'm going to say Robyn.

OK, and I'm going to say Robyn, because I'm going to need you to stop whining and crying that you haven't gotten to the same level as all the other wives that have been there 15 plus years.

Duh.

And shut up and deal with it and try to do your best to get into that family, right?

And maybe hot take, don't do things that are going to make it harder for them to welcome you into that family.

And so just Robyn.

And my shit stain has to go to Kody Brown.

Has to.

He didn't even annoy me that much this episode.

I know I was going to say he didn't actually do anything that bad.

He.

Really didn't.

But I think the like whole, I don't know, it's like he wants to be a leader, but he's not good at leading anything.

And that's, and even if it's just one-on-one or if it's an entire family, he is all about having this role, but he's ultimately not that good at it.

And he could just actually take another role and let his ego go or let whatever he's got going on go a little bit and roll with the punches or lean into what other people have.

But he just can't.

So I have to give the shit stain to Kody, even though this episode there's not really anything I can say.

Like he was terrible.

Well well well.

Though the reason I was going to give if I had chosen him as the shit stain because it was a toss up, was he didn't actually do anything that terrible.

But there were those couple scolds on the couch to marry that were in a super jokey manner.

But that I truly believe are things that he continues to say in the future, just not with the joking tone.

Yeah.

And so I think, you know, kind of writing on the wall some of the stuff that starts to come out so.

Yeah.

It's like we're looking at the foundation of a house and there's like, is that a tiny little crack?

I can't even tell.

And it's just him saying these things to Meri.

Yep.

But it will get bigger.

Yep.

Oddly enough, she tossed it out.

The longest compare, you know, second to Robyn.

So insane.

Our keep sweet moment this week comes to us from a Apple podcast review, which love seeing these come through.

It's funny because we don't get notified of them, so it's only periodically that we actually see them.

This one comes to us from Felicity and it's titled my new favorite Sister Wives podcast.

Thank you, thank you.

She says it's wonderful to have another snarky Sister Wives podcast to binge.

Truly a mustard seed.

Thank you.

That's amazing.

Yes.

Narky.

Well, no.

Us also, by the way, Felicity loved the TV show.

Loved it.

Thank you very much.

That's amazing.

And Felicity says she follows up with Ironic that the subject matter can be so boring but the podcasts about it can be so funny.

She's starting from the beginning and she loves the banter between us, which is so great.

And I love not OK, So what I love is getting compliments.

Well.

First and foremost.

What I love is praise.

What I love is five out of five stars.

Chris's love language is anything that tells him how much you love.

His words of affirmation, words of affirmation mixed with gifts and praise, Yes.

So only one love language, but it's really great to hear not only the praise and whatever, but also it just absolutely, absolutely.

This show is so boring and yet we still watch it every week and report to you our observations.

I, I don't think we can emphasize this enough.

I think we've been pretty clear about it though, like we do not know what we're doing right.

And So what, we just watch ATV show and talk smart for a little while and somehow and in some universe you guys are listening to it.

And for that, we are a little bit baffled, you know.

Baffled.

Well, I can see why people would listen to us, but yeah, it's almost like, what are you getting out of this?

Yeah.

Thank you though, we truly truly are confused but appreciate it very much.

Yeah, and totally hear you about starting from the beginning, Felicity.

Like we are no strangers to a binge.

Neither one of us are strangers to a binge.

There's a reason that we're wrong.

There's a reason we're re watching this show where nothing happens and then talking about it to you on the Internet.

We are fans of a binge and if you're binging with us, that's amazing.

If you know someone who's starting the show and binging, let them know that they got someone they can follow along with.

But appreciate it, Felicity.

That's so amazing.

Not only are we fans of a binge, we are fucking talented.

We are very talented bingers.

Yes.

All right, Ali, do you have any advice for, let's say someone who's listening and they are 18 going to college because they're not 17?

Because we get explicit marked on our podcast.

So no children are listening, only legal adults and they're going off to college and they're not starting school yet.

Maybe they're getting ready for school and they're going.

What should I do with my life?

What advice would you give them?

Why would you ask me that question?

I should not be giving the youth of America advice.

Don't give a shit what other people think about you.

Do not.

They're not worth it.

It doesn't matter if someone's tearing you down, there's always going to be someone to tear you down.

And in real life, you're going to work with people that are going to tear you down.

You're going to have family members tear you down.

You're going to have a bunch of shit do your thing.

Do self help podcast coming soon from us 2 deadbeat losers.

I'll have to update our classifications.

Not licensed.

Worthy up OK, we are worthying up here all.

Right.

Oh God.

Meri, if you want to join us and give someone some high spirits, we're here to help.

Bye.

We've really got to figure out how to wrap this show up.

And we hope you come back.

Amen.

Take care of yourselves.

Bye.