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Cooper extraordinary final series.
Speaker 2Before we start, if you're doing something.
Speaker 1What's that.
Speaker 2View of the final?
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Speaker 1Mate for the final, for the final, sh there we go.
It always happened.
Speaker 3Your headline and every other show like Ray Hadley's face to face here on this you got your own show.
I just thought a little bit of love him double Duty.
John's the Grand Final?
Speaker 1Yeah mate, what a what a final series.
Speaker 3But it has been Actually, I think about some of the moments that we just play.
Its like it comes down to Grand Final week and the moment, and you can slice it and dice as much as you want.
There's only one way you want to finish Grand Final Week.
There is only one way you want to win it, and you want to have the party of your life.
Speaker 1The game, Coop.
Speaker 4And we had Hutch and Young on the show last night and I spoke to him about this half after the show.
Speaker 1I said, the.
Speaker 4Game at the moment, Coop, I've never seen better.
I've never the players are remarked what they're doing.
Speaker 1I don't think we always look previous eras through rose colored glasses, the romanticism.
Speaker 4I don't think there is any era in the game that even comes close to what is happening right now.
And I think it's just so imperative for the game because the game's going that way.
That Perth and P and G are successful, it's a really big moment.
If we can nail those two expansion ventures, then the game will continue to grab exponentially.
Speaker 3I think one thing that is consistent in the game right now is it's in a good spot, but our best players are playing well.
I think that magnifies our game.
When the best players are fit and healthy and dominating.
Like the game yesterday it was basically Cleary Verse Wall incredible and the other night was monster, it was Harry Grant played well.
Our best players are living up to the expectation of the moment.
Speaker 4But just a great time of the year.
Isn't like Grand Final week.
You get there and the weather's warmer birds are nesting.
Speaker 1As a play cook this week?
Speaker 4Is there anything like what's the memory that comes back to you in your leading up to your numerous Grand Finals?
Speaker 3I think the one thing you can never let go of and want to relive every time it's Grand Final week is the moment you leave from the hotel you have a team meeting, and normally because you're into state team and you stay at a hotel somewhere so it's close by the amount of fans that flock the foyer of your hotel with all the colors.
They have to arrive a path that zigzags through the hotel outside to the bus and it's almost like rockstar reception.
There is thousands of people and your adrenaline is pumping as soon as you get out.
Speaker 2It's epic.
Speaker 3I've never relived it any other way, but I think the fans make that experience and the build up, the intensity that you can feel when you arrive at the bottom of the stadium.
You can feel the chairs banging and the intensity outside.
Speaker 1Beat to make the Grand Final.
Speaker 4We beat in North Sydney on the on the Saturday, and then the next day we went into the pool a bit of a recovery session.
But the first time we sort of went and had a training session at our training venue where fans could turn up, was on the Monday.
Five thousand people turned up and we went okay for something some special.
Billy and I remember our coach malcolmbe really got us in and he said, right, he said, this is what's going to happen all week.
He said, we can do this one or two ways.
We can actually try to escape from it or embrace it and enjoy it.
He goes, I'm not telling you both what to do, but I think the second one it's going to be a lot more enjoyable.
And he said, and I think the first one will drain us more.
Speaker 3So I agree with that because my first one I didn't enjoy.
I think the dally amzare on, you had the civic reception, you had all these different events in the build up, and it was like, oh, geez.
Speaker 2I don't want to be here.
Speaker 3I don't really want to be yeah, and then you lose that game and go, you know what, I need to change.
Speaker 2My attitude for the next ones.
Speaker 3The ones I won, it was definitely they were enjoyable parts to be a part of.
If there was one thing I could bottle about Grand finals is the adrenaline rush before you run out onto the field, Like there is nothing that makes you feel like a road league player than that moment.
Speaker 1What are your Grand Finals?
Speaker 4So was there was there anything that happened in the game that really sticks out to you during the game.
Speaker 3I think the dogs twenty twelve Grand Final.
Billy scored a try that was a set play where he competed with little hanging piece capton from a right to the left.
And we've been practicing all week because we knew that Josh Reynolds likes to come out of line and try and smash the back roll.
And it was a tight contest and we had all this possession and Billy was trying to call that play from the first minute and I was going no, no, let's wait, let's wait.
We got the penalty and I said no, and Ryan Hoffman said, mate, do it.
He's been smashing me all afternoon.
Speaker 2Mm hmm, he said to do it.
Speaker 3That gave me the confidence that he was going to get taken out of place.
So we just set it up two plays to the right hand side it.
And I've been a pretty big player moments.
Speaker 4Seeing at the sixty out of me is a little bit of a jeers if only the week the week before the beat North Sydney, Joey went off with the with the punch at lung and so I keep the field goal to get us through.
It was a wonderful kicking.
I'm sure it was amazing.
Speaker 1I watched it most nights.
Oh not this again, it's on your phone.
Speaker 2It is.
Speaker 4It is absolutely But what happened Coop?
Leaning into the next week?
Yeah, we did all the media stuff and Ray Martin.
Speaker 1Channel nine.
You know, I kind of strained television.
Speaker 4He interviewed me and he said, right, let's let's go.
Speaker 1Let's talk about this week.
Speaker 4Let's imagine same score sixteen or same field position.
Do you call the ball and do you make it?
And I say, yeah I do and yes I do.
Well, you wouldn't believe it, Coop sixteen.
All in the Grand Final, similar field position happened again.
Speaker 1And I hit it and I can hit the post now.
Speaker 4I don't like to This is a kid's pre like to use the word coops.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 4Our Final Show Awards, our Player of the Year guld Sylvan Bronze.
Speaker 2In third place for me Yep Tarpani.
Speaker 3I think he'd been a clossest through the middle, outstanding for Canberra number two Isaiah Carteer.
I think he just might dominate the competition for the next ten years.
Speaker 1I think you exactly.
Speaker 3And I think James Tedesco is a lock for the Dalim.
You cannot go past what he did for the Roosters this year.
He was the most consistent player, he was their best player and he will win.
I think he's second l Am and he deserves it from where he came from.
What a couple of years ago, under pressure, lost the captain c of New South Wales and Australia.
Speaker 2He is back to his best.
Speaker 4I've gone I've gone Bronze, I've gone James Tedesco, Silver, Harry Grant and gold.
I've gone paying has has has had an incredible season.
Battle he's had a back injury, but he's just keeps turning up, turning up, and he was incredible yesterday.
Speaker 2Talk about Coach of the Year.
Speaker 1I've gone.
Look at I've gone Madge.
You know, we've just what he's.
Speaker 4Had to deal with a lot, and like Ricky, my temptation is say Ricky's going to win it.
But I just look at Madge and he's had to deal with a lot of criticism.
He's had pressure from the ex players, all that sort of stuff, but he's got them through.
Speaker 3I say, Ricky does.
I think they were the best team throughout the year.
Fell over at the back end, but they were good.
They lit up our screen every weekend the way they play.
I think honorable mention he's going to Ivan Cleary if he had have got to the Grand Final, was after twelve rounds last and didn't even look like the penrith of old.
Whatever he and that leadership group did to get back to seventh spot, ultimately win a couple of finals and go within a whisker of another Grand Final, I deserve I think he deserves a big ovation, definitely.
Speaker 4I'll tell you what, jeez, it was all class after the game.
I thought yesterday he was and I mean there's one four in a row.
Speaker 1I understand it, but very classical.
Speaker 3I like when the question came, was it feel like the dynasty ome and he said, it's not over what you're talking about.
So with that one comment, I'm like, they're going to be back, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1My rookie the years, like Ahalla Seema, I thought.
Speaker 3He mark no longer there to ask it for me.
Like from where he was to what he did at the back end of the year.
He became a score tryscorer machine and some of you could put probably two or three of his tries this year is up for try the year, like the athleticism and the high end skill to finish triers brilliantly.
Speaker 4And I think there's talk that we won't select him now because in twelve months time he's getting go.
Speaker 1You select him.
He deserves to go.
Speaker 3And I see what you just spoke about the best players lighting up the finals.
Speaker 2Get your best players available, and you.
Speaker 4Know he's a beacon for other union players to look and go, jeez, look, god, it's done for this Blake's profile.
Speaker 1He's been a success story.
I might just give this credit.
Speaker 3Because you pick him now because he deserves to be.
If he wants to go play for the Wallabies, go on, but he will come back because of the.
Speaker 1Experience, a lot of water, past st If you don't pick.
Speaker 2Him now and those things, he will go.
Well.
Speaker 4You know what what a game yesterday?
Speaker 1What a game?
Speaker 4Fourteen mil down?
Did you see the Broncos coming back?
Speaker 3I didn't see them coming back.
I saw them winning before the game.
But then the Penrith machine so lean into the game.
Speaker 2I thought it was all.
Speaker 3About can the Penrith defense stop the edge attack of the prison Broncos, And for the first forty minutes they did, like that right side shut down.
Rees and Shibasaki a couple of occasions and on the flip side, the right edge attack of Penrith just dismantled Brisbane mate.
They were ala modi two tries and it was pretty straightforward attack.
Speaker 2It wasn't a special play.
Speaker 3It was just ke on ballplane from Nathan Cleary and that right side connected the.
Speaker 1Way they can condense to get up.
Speaker 2So atteen I thought this is they get to the front.
They lead.
Speaker 3There was a set in the first couple of minutes straight after second half they score.
Speaker 2I think Penrith go.
Speaker 4On funny and they had numerous opportunities there toist the game this long way.
But if they go twin mil up, I think that breaks the spirit of Broncos and they go.
Speaker 3And the Broncos did a tremendous job.
Playing on the Sunday afternoon at sun called was a big part of their fight back.
They had that crowd rocking from where it go and from a pure like loved it, enjoyed it.
I think it's put up upon the mantle pieces advertisement our game.
But if you look at it through like a footy lens, the three tries the Bronco scored was it's more luck than than craft and set up right so they did a really good job.
Speaker 2But I'm worried about that.
Speaker 3This weekend for them, like they didn't like Reese.
Walsh was good, but he didn't finish off the line break.
He threw that pass over the top from married It was a bit lucky, but Nathan Cleary in the sixtieth minute knocked back a penalty shot.
In hindsight, tick over that scoreboard, get the ball back.
But there was a hell of a game.
Speaker 4Great game, just speed and intensity of the second half.
There was the moment I think was sort of examples of how tired these blakes were.
Liam Martin went into attempt to tackle and he came out of it and I said to the boys in the green room, I said, Mayde, he's cancusting himself because he's wobbling.
Speaker 1And then he went, now it's fatigue.
Speaker 4He was just he could barely move and he was literally he was like he was concust and Zavia Willison similar not long before he scored that important try.
Speaker 1He got up, he could barely get to his feet.
He played the ball and he actually turned to the.
Speaker 4Sideline as if to say, match, get me off mate.
Speaker 1I thought he was really good.
Well, it's true.
What about.
Speaker 3Paying Hass's second half?
His second stint was out of this world.
Like his carries, he was the only real four that was causing issues for the Panthers defense, like every carry post contact meters.
Speaker 2Fast play the ball.
Speaker 3And then there was a couple of moments he dived a loose ball that could have been a triscrew an opportunity in the end goal.
And then he was the one that went out and put pressure on Nathan clear of the two point field goal, like he is a machine?
Speaker 4What about that?
What about the drama that with Nathan running backwards.
It's just some amazing moments.
I mate reythe Walsh pretty boy.
Speaker 5Yes, a bit lair in him, yes, tough, yes, yes, yes, tought like yesterday in the game, taken two carries in a set of six, but the other one in the first in the first he.
Speaker 3Was a reason Scott Sorenson didn't come back, not because he made contact, because how aggressively he.
Speaker 2Ran and broke through Sorence's tackle.
Speaker 4Basically rating like that that you know that great test of testing the toughness of the opposition if you run to let people know when if you and I are defending here and a guy, you know, Recee Walsh sprints him between us.
Okay, it's it's testing our ability to put our heads there because you know, like you saw Scottie Sirenson, there's a fair chance if you don't get it right, you're going to get concussed.
You're going to clash here.
Speaker 3If you run harder than I'm willing to tackle you, you're every chance of getting through.
Speaker 2The other side.
Speaker 3And like you talk about getting through tackles in between defenders, he did that for the Mariner try.
They gave Adam Reynolds the opportunity go.
Speaker 2Watch your back.
Speaker 3Reese Walsh just shot out of a gun, just says, try and stop me.
All the Panther's defenders sort of latched onto him and fell over, and he had enough strength to get the ball over the top.
Speaker 4Like Karapani and Mariner, they're unsung heroes.
They barely get messed yesterday.
They in their second half, they really took some pressure.
Speaker 2Off the moments.
Speaker 3They're all about taking control and not hesitating.
Mariner had an opportunity.
He had a decision to make when he got that ball.
It was either do I try and finesse this with a couple of foot, right footstep, beat back inside and he had a split second decide.
Speaker 2He went nut, putting the hammer down.
Speaker 3Lindsay Smith Brighton to or and Dylan Edwards came across and he just went for it.
Speaker 1I thought, I thought both those boys were tremendous.
Speaker 2I want to give Adam Reynolds a big rap up.
Speaker 1Oh so he didn't take the kick because obviously.
Speaker 4The hamstring preserving the hamstring when that ball gets put on the mound, he goes back.
He's kicking for, in my opinion, his legacy at the.
Speaker 3Broncos, potential legacy.
Potentially, I think he has to win.
Yes, for him to sit alongside Alan Langer at the next celebration, he needs to win.
Speaker 1That was incredible kick.
My guts was rumbling for you.
Speaker 3You talk about you in ninety seven, right, Adam Reynolds.
So in the COVID year, had the opportunity from the other sideline on the field against Penrith and missed.
And he hasn't kicked.
He's got his hamstring injury for what five six weeks, probably hasn't done a lot of goal kicking in that time.
And Reese Walsh missed that conversion with a few minutes to go, and I would love to see the camera shot of how that ball got transitioned.
Speaker 1From Reynolds to Walsh.
Speaker 3Did Walsh go, mate, please do it?
Or did Reynolds go giving me the ball?
Speaker 1I got a film the ladder give me the ball?
Speaker 3And he did not like I was trying to as I watched him walk in.
He wasn't blinking, he wasn't looking up and down.
He was dialed in.
Speaker 4And isn't that like so good to see that he was hard at wearing the seven jersey and watching him yesterday like he was rusty.
You could say that he was rusty, but we're in that seven means that you are exposed to look really high pressure moments and they're the ones you're going to know.
Speaker 1Well it ends.
Speaker 3And to explain a little bit of why Penrith lost the game in the second half, like the fatigue, the ball in play, the emotion of it all.
This team has been trying to get back to Everest since round twelve and did it kick in at the sixty fifth minute mark when they just didn't need it to They were out on their feet.
Speaker 4There was a moment they they're ahead and they cut up to the box and it's probably the most animated I've seen Ivan.
Ivan you could see was sensing Wesley.
Speaker 2Push his hair back.
Yeah, was agitated.
Speaker 3Yeah, And every time they were trying to get out of their own end there was an error.
There was just not the dynamic movements that they needed to and I feel like it was just it all crept up when they didn't need it.
Speaker 1There's season out of ten.
Speaker 4It's hard to gauge because it's such an unprecedented season.
Speaker 3I so want to give them like a nine, Yeah, like I do, but it probably drops back to an eight because of the way they started the.
Speaker 1First half of the year.
One.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 4After the year ten, h.
Speaker 1Sharks Storm look.
Speaker 4For mine in a nutshell, Storm won it on the back of their discipline, which they're renowned for.
Speaker 1Spot I thought that.
Speaker 4I thought, I just thought the Sharks they gave away so many soft off side penalties.
Speaker 1There was one early in the game.
Speaker 4It was about four minutes in and they've got Melbourne trapped in the corner pocket and mate, it was just such a.
Speaker 1Soft offside penalty.
And then the Storm gate down the other end of the score.
Speaker 3I thought, I thought the Storm spine have been waiting a long time for this moment.
They just It's almost like, yes they had a game plan, yes they wanted to do this, but that.
Speaker 2Was second in their mindset.
Speaker 3Mindset one was going to run the ball and be the dominant player on the field.
When Harry Grant ran, Munster ran, and then the bravery and the strength of mine for Jerome to do what he did.
Speaker 1Not enough has been made of it, I'm.
Speaker 3Telling you, Like I thought there was a moment there early in the game for Neil Blake was being lined up on him and he ran it inside Ellie Cart.
He needed to isolate Hughes to see if he was capable of defending.
Speaker 2But then Hughes got that ball, that right foot that left fan typicals.
Speaker 3Hughes try and he doesn't often layer up Hughes, but when he celebrated that, he knew he was back.
Speaker 2I thought it was a strong performance from the spine.
Speaker 4Like in two thousand Shane Wegg he went down in folklore.
He played with the broken oar in the Grand Final off five weeks.
Speaker 1Jerome twenty two.
Speaker 4Days from a broken arm and back playing and it was the star of the game.
Speaker 1Monster.
Speaker 4In my opinion, he was the best player in the field.
Just his running game so strong.
Speaker 3Yeah, we talk about the game plan and we've said this about Monthster all the time.
He did it in Game two for Queensland.
In big games, he runs a ball like halves have this ratio of possessions to runs and normally, just generally, a half back might touch the ball fifty times and they might run the ball five or six times.
In big games, Monster goes the other way.
Like he touches the ball, let's call it thirty five times, he's running the ball fifteen twenty times.
Speaker 4He is one of the greatest ever big game plays.
Speaker 3I think the Broncos need to stop that, Like if he's running the ball, they're no chance.
But the one thing I will say about the Sharks, the Storm's best players played well, and I thought the Shark's best players were quite.
They weren't bad, but in a prelim final you need to be better than quite.
Speaker 2Like I thought for Noil Blake was quiet.
Speaker 3You know they're back three that had been good all final series were quiet.
Speaker 2And Nico Hines and Trindle Brayley, he was quiet.
Speaker 4He was he was a Stefana I thought two coming Commo off the bench was mighty.
I thought it was his best game of the season, and Stefano was a powerhouse.
Speaker 3He smashed Billy Burns in a carry and I thought, Wow, that's the type of impact you want from your front row.
And then he provided the off load for Hughes.
But if that was his best game of his career, Stefano Jeseu's gonna have to double down on that this weekend.
Speaker 4Well, he came out fig and today what do you say?
He said he doesn't like a lot of some of the Broncos players.
They're stuck up.
Speaker 3I don't know if that's a good thing.
There's going to be more barbs coming out of the way, like res Wells has a man.
I don't think they can hold back.
But that's not something that Craig Belly would want.
Speaker 4His play Storm Broncos two thousand and six Grand Final.
Speaker 1Keep you to the memories of that game.
Speaker 4Let's say, sorry, mate, but you won't enough of them.
Speaker 1It's okay, But like.
Speaker 4We just touched on both games, there is no comparison the speed and the intensity in the heat of the Broncos Panthers versus the stop start nature of the Storm and the Sharks.
Look, Madges came out today and said it's rubbish.
Don't worry about the extra two days.
But the bottom line is mate, it is a monumental advantage two days of extra cover on top of the nature of the two contests.
It is advantage Melbourne.
Speaker 3Firstly, it is exactly the right thing for Michael McGuire to say that you cannot get into a press conference after that Prism Finals that yes, it's a disadvantage of advantage.
You can't say that, So he's saying everything he needs to to put belief into his team.
On the flip side, it is an advantage like to have two days prior the Friday night game penalty stop start on a Friday night in Melbourne, up against ball in play, long time Sunday afternoon, fast paced, distinct advantage at at the back end of the year.
Speaker 4Absolutely storm spine, Bronco spine does maam start No.
Speaker 3Look, he was good, he was good, but I don't think he should.
He went after Nathan Cleary and that probably should have been a penalty.
But that was a bit of a lightning rod moment for the Broncos.
Like you took on the best player, smash him.
Up a little bit and the Broncos went on to win.
Speaker 5That.
Speaker 1I loved Lily's response.
Speaker 2Yeah, I said as well.
Speaker 3In a weekend right every time in rounds one to twenty seven, what Ezram did to clear it is a penalty and then there was a scuffle and things like that.
Speaker 2Whatever.
Speaker 3But at the end of the day, I think Ezra Maam starts off the bench.
I like what Ben Hunt and Adam Reynolds does early on.
Corey Pakes is okay at number nine.
Then ben Hunt goes to nine and he's got confidence.
He went for that forty twenty.
They went within a whisker.
He threw the big dummy that got Willison that try.
So I think you got to keep Ezra man fresh, bring his running game on, and I like Ben Hunt's confidence in the nine jersey.
Speaker 4One thing about Melbourne Storm the left side defense is a bit bit of a concern that the first try that the Sharks scored uniformly, they all just rushed sort of blindly and a little tunnel ball through to Katoa, and then the second try was the reverse.
Speaker 1It was a bit of a lack of.
Speaker 4Communication and you'd see Monster backing off a little bit shortball and Billy Burns went through.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3So last year's Grand Final it was Leam Martin that scored a try just on the stroke of halftime, caught Jack Howarth outer position and Jack Cawth got spotted up again against the Cronella Sharks.
So forward looking, that's exactly where the Brisbane Broncos will look to get to.
That Munster and Howth combination on that left edge on the flip side, well, the Brisbane Broncos left edge for the first forty minutes didn't even look like stopping a try.
Nathan Edwards were going down there.
Alamodi scored a couple of tries.
So I think the key to in Melbourne Storm is two things.
I think Elie Cartower potentially could have a Clive Churchill medal.
Speaker 2I think he could be the.
Speaker 3Best player on the great season because he's an aerial threat on the kicks.
His combination with Jerome Hughes is senting me to perfect and if Jerome can get that combination going on the left edge, I think that's a good spot.
Speaker 1Well, lets Stuart who wins.
Who's clob Churchill medalist?
Speaker 2Melbourne Storm win?
For me, I think it's a dominant victory for Melbourne.
I think win.
Speaker 3Let's call it twenty eight ten or something.
I think Elie Cartel.
Speaker 4For me, I've gone Storm, I've gone Storm by four and I've gone Clive Churchill me, I've gone Ryan Pappenhausen.
Speaker 1Second game back from a spell.
Speaker 3Well, why haven't we chosen the superstars of that game?
Why haven't we chosen Ris Walsh, Adam Reild's Munster, Harry Grant for Clive Churchill.
Speaker 4For me, just got feel he's one one before papping out.
There was a few things in that game with perhaps that I went Okay, Like you see, he's about to explode.
He hasn't played a lot of football this year.
It was his first game back from a stint on the sidelines, and I thought he showed up.
I think this is going to be a big game for him, I think, and another one too.
Coops is playing against the middle a Broncos middle defense who will fatigue yesterday.
Speaker 3I think the advantage for Melbourne Storm is through the kicking game.
I think Mariner and Cara Pinni look vulnerable under the high ball, and I think William Warbrick and Xavier Coats have a point of difference.
Speaker 1There, real coops.
Well, hey guys, that's our final show for the is listen.
We really appreciate by the way, there you go.
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