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Talking about karen reed and her trial and john o'keefe holy cow, what a nutball job this is yeah, it's interesting.

It is interesting already.

It's like who done it?

It's a nose it's a live version of clue it's true.

It's like killed him with a lightsaber in the.

In the library.

Whatever, it doesn't matter.

Yeah, there were like three things.

The conservatory is what I was thinking of.

Yes, conservatory Yep Conversation.

Anyway, john O'Keefe was a police officer in Massachusetts and he's dead.

He died on January 29th of 22.

Right, yep, and they're trying to pin it on his at that time girlfriend.

Right, karen Reed, who, by the way, looks like she's guilty.

I don't see that she looks like a friggin' psycho.

She probably could have done it.

I don't know, but there's a lot of twists and turns in this thing.

There are.

This is way more interesting than Johnny Depp and Amanda Heard.

Oh, 100% yeah.

This is like oh shit, Really.

Who done it?

Yeah, you can't figure it out Because you don't know.

And because there are police involved, there's always that potential of they cover their own.

You just never know.

Back your brother their own.

You just never know.

Back your brother, it's true, absolutely it's stupid.

But uh, there are also times that accidents actually happen.

Yes, so there's three different scenarios right there yeah, that we just talked about.

Very true, so you could either had karen reed drilling him with her car right him.

Being so drunk, he fell down, hit his and died of hypothermia.

Probably is.

Or him getting in a fight with Brian Higgins, getting his ass kicked and they threw him outside.

Yeah, Right.

Yeah.

I said Brian Higgins right.

I think yes, yes, either way, anyway.

Yeah, let's get started on how this all came to be.

I don't even know even know.

Yes, you do uh, reed and o'keefe were all drinking with a bunch of his cop buddies, right, right, yeah a bar, yes, and they had already been on the outs, I guess seems that they were not on the best of terms, but even said which brings us to one of the scenarios right she was sending flirty text messages to b Higgins.

Right.

Right, which they don't talk about a lot here.

Which I guess is what a friend of John's Were.

They friends, yeah, okay.

I wonder who initiated that, but okay.

It doesn't say, they don't tell us that part, because they don't go into it that far.

Not really at all.

No.

You have to dig deep for that.

And we all know if you're sending flirty text messages to somebody else there's pretty much something going on.

Yeah, pretty much.

If you've done it, you've been there and done that.

If you haven't, good for you.

You're better than we are, whoa.

Okay, I'm talking about the people that have done it.

I've already said I have.

I know.

I've already said I have I know.

I never said you did.

I.

Weirdo.

Anyway, whoa the night he died.

Yes.

They were at a bar in Canton, massachusetts, yeah, and they went back to it was Brian.

Albert's house.

Brian Albert, yes, right, it wasn't Colin Albert, anyway, no.

Brian Albert.

Yes, right, it wasn't Colin Albert.

Anyway, one of the Alberts house for a part, like an after party.

Right and she didn't want to stay.

She was.

They were in a fight.

Yes, she was screaming at him.

They were in a fight.

Right, I have my theories on this.

Sure, you do.

I'll express them later, I'm sure you will share them.

But that's not here now, so we're going to go and we're going to.

Uh, she dropped them off Right and then took off and left.

Yes.

At some point it starts snowing Right and that's about four o'clock in the morning.

She dropped them off about 1230.

Uh huh.

So there's a good three and a half hours before it starts snowing Right and apparently nobody saw him ever Right, and that's I guess that's the biggest piece is if he was dropping off, even if he didn't make it into the house between 1230 and four.

I'm assuming some other people left this house.

They didn't all stay for this party for the entire night.

Maybe they did, but but you have to assume they're all intoxicated.

But nobody saw a person lying there on the ground.

Well, it says in the autopsy that John O'Keefe's blood alcohol level was 0.29.

What does that matter about somebody else seeing him, though?

It doesn't matter anything about anybody else, except for the fact that his is 0.29.

Right.

What are everyone else's?

True, okay, good point If you're with people at a restaurant and you're getting that drunk.

Yeah, how drunk are these people?

right driving home.

I see your point, yeah, right, okay I'm not saying they were over the legal limit.

I'm not saying they're under the legal limit, but if that's what his was, they're probably not under they're probably not much off from that right just Just law of averages, right.

Correct.

So I don't know what the hell happens to Karen Reed.

She leaves, goes home.

I think she went home.

She went home.

It almost hits his SUV in the driveway.

How does anybody know that?

Because on his camera on his house.

They can see her pulling in and almost hitting his SUV.

Okay.

But no taillight was found there.

But taillight was found by John O'Keefe's body.

Yeah, the full chunk of taillight.

I think they took the whole taillight out and just laid it next to him.

Yeah, I mean, I saw the size of the piece of taillight.

It's interesting.

He died of blunt head injuries and hypothermia hypothermia.

I get you have to be hunched over puking on the ground to get drilled in the head by a taillight, unless you're getting hit by a dump truck just even if she did hit him I don't think it was intentional, it was she backed up, drove away.

I don't know that she intentionally hit him.

How fast could she have hit this person to have done that much damage to him?

she was mad.

Women are a little impulsive.

They do silly things at silly times not the point.

When it is, it is kind of the point, she could have gassed it in reverse.

He could have been standing behind the car not allowing her to leave because he wanted to talk to her right, and she could have been so pissed she just gassed it in reverse.

He could have been standing behind the car not allowing her to leave because he wanted to talk to her Right.

And she could have been so pissed.

She just gassed it and tried to run them over.

Perfectly logical situation.

Yeah, I saw he had scratches and stuff too, like from animals.

They claim it was for a dog, but I think they threw that out.

Well, I think, because I think the owners of the house also had a dog.

They did.

Yeah.

So here we are.

The other theory.

Well, the first one was that she killed him, right.

Right.

But I can't understand.

I can understand the taillight breaking, but the taillight would be away from his body, I would assume.

Yeah, I wouldn't assume it would land exactly where he was.

Otherwise she would have had to have actually run him over.

Yeah For that to have happened.

Right, and even yeah, I guess.

He could have also punched the taillight as she was leaving, because he was pissed and they were fighting broke it, fell in the driveway.

He stumbled over, fell down, hit his head and died.

Okay.

Of hypothermia, because hit his head and died.

Okay, of hypothermia, because he was out there all night, right, right, and animals came over started picking at him because he was still warm at the time.

Quickly apparently there, but yeah hey, look, I don't know.

Uh, my thing is he they were fighting because he found out that she was sending messages to another officer which you found.

I I had not heard that, so it's obviously not a known.

Well, maybe it is.

I haven't followed it that closely.

No, it's one of the things that's covered up in here.

Right, it should have been more of an avenue.

You would think so it was Brian Higgins, brian Albert and Colin Albert that were the three people that could have been that were suspects in killing him.

Outside of Karen three people, okay, that could have been that were suspects, okay in this in killing him outside of.

Outside of karen reed, correct.

So here's karen reed sending flirty and sexy text messages to brian uh, higgins right right.

Who's there?

Who's on the scene?

at this party now walks in, everybody's hammered.

He started saying, hey, I was in.

I was in a shouting match with my girl because you're sending her messages.

Blah, blah, blah.

Right A fight breaks out, accidents happen.

This guy's knocked out, they drop him in the coals and let him sit there until he wakes up.

He don't wake up.

Right.

Now what.

Well, they're police officers.

Yes, so they can cover it all up.

Yeah.

Write their own scenario.

I shouldn't say but they have the ability.

That's why the text messages were never really focused in that.

Yeah.

I wouldn't be surprised if Brian Higgins and John O'Keefe got in a fight because of those text messages.

They beat the bejesus out of them, took them out in the snow, dropped them and then blamed it on Karen Reid.

Yeah, I mean that from I've watched the documentary and.

I've read up on this.

There were some other things about it, but yes, it could go either way.

You've got to go from memory it does seem like possibly.

He went into this house and something happened.

There was some altercation and they left him out in the snow.

And all three of them said he was never in the house.

That's easy to do.

Of course.

Everybody could agree that he wasn't there.

Oh, we never saw him, not here.

He was never here.

Oh my God, he's dead in my front yard.

But we have video of Karen Reed backing out of the driveway dropping him off.

Right.

So you do know he was here.

So wait.

So they had video of her actually dropping him off, but they don't have video to see what actually happened to him.

They watched the video of her driving to see if she actually hit him.

So yes, they did.

So how do they not know if she hit him or not?

I don't know Because Cut off Conveniently.

There's certain parts of it that you can't.

They lost.

Of course they did, oh they didn't preserve the tape.

Because it wasn't her, then that means that Because she didn't delete that video, she couldn't, it wasn't hers, it wasn't hers.

She couldn't, it wasn't hers, it wasn't hers.

She was too drunk to even take video.

She was too drunk to even take video yeah.

She was the one that found him.

But Well, that gets me into the next part of this and why I think Brian Higgins is at the core of it.

Really.

Yes, he found out pretty quickly too.

Because they were sending messages back and forth.

Okay, and I guarantee you, somehow, someway, one got back to him that he's outside, he's not moving.

You got to do something, we'll help you Okay.

And then they threw her under the bus.

He didn't come home and she's starting to freak out Now.

She doesn't know what happened.

Right, apparently she can't remember what happened, right.

Now, all of this is most likely fabricated to make it look like everybody's innocent well, right, I mean nobody's gonna own up to it, right?

No, this is like an agatha christie who done it.

We need perry mason here, uh, but that means that somehow I'm sure he, brian higgins, didn't text her directly, I'm sure not.

Not at that hour, no.

Unless they had burner phones.

It doesn't seem like they did, From what I've read.

I don't think that's a thing.

He was an FBI agent.

He definitely had a burner phone.

Okay, so maybe he did.

But okay, it's possible, I don't really know.

Anyway, that being said, she comes looking for him.

Yeah, oh, he's not home yet how?

is he gonna get home?

His car was in his driveway with yours.

Yeah, I don't really know what was he not just sleeping one off at albert's house I guess maybe she thought somebody was gonna drive him back, I don't know, but he didn't get home that's the crazy part.

Not only does she look crazy, I firmly believe she is crazy.

Okay, she was in on it what do you mean in on it I don't know, I don't think it was planned.

Do you think it was planned ahead of time?

I don't think it was planned I don't.

I'm not saying it's planned, but she was in on it, she knew, she knew brian higgins killed, her killed him.

I don't know, I hadn't really thought that far into it and she's that crazy that she would do that yeah, I don't know.

You're right.

I I thought, oh, she's called this guy a hundred million times before she went out to look for him and she's panicking she can't find him.

But I guess if she obviously knew he was already dead, she was the one that found him she found where she left him she found him she did at 507 right I have never been with anyone ever that has come to look for me when I'm not home at 507 yeah, that's a little early.

I don't, I wouldn't 7, 30, 8 o'clock.

Now he's getting close 9, 10 absolutely yeah, in the car driving around 5 am.

Hell no.

Probably not.

Nope, Now I'm just angry and maybe calling or probably sleeping, but at the same time not out driving around looking for you.

You're all drunk and being stupid and trying to cover up your tracks.

That's what happened, okay.

They made a mistake, they screwed up, their friend died, and then they covered it up.

Yeah, it's like four hours later they were all in on it and they just left her to be the one it wasn't murder it, it wasn't murder no, I don't think it was intentional.

I don't think they meant to murder him it was manslaughter well, yeah higgins and o'keefe definitely got in an altercation.

Ie O'Keefe got lumped.

That's why the blunt trauma to his head fell down in the yard and they left him there.

Then, when he didn't come back in, they go shit and he's dead.

Now what do we do?

We'll just leave and pretend we don't know he's there.

You don't get blunt trauma to the head from a taillight.

Like I said, how fast, if you even to reverse, how fast could she possibly have reversed into this guy?

Hitting somebody head-on, like you're driving down the street and they're crossing the street, you can hit them pretty hard.

I guess, backing up like you dropped them off and you go to back up, how fast could she possibly have been going to back into this person?

Like I said when we started, 90 miles an hour, you just gas it.

It's not 90 miles an hour, but you go as fast as you can, but I, I guess that's, I don't know.

The injuries seem way worse than what she could have done.

And why is the taillight in a chunk?

it wouldn't make.

Wouldn't it make sense that an atf agent has a, a dog that's trained to attack?

Yeah.

With bite marks.

Yes.

So Higgins is the one that did it A hundred percent, and the Alberts were in on it.

Okay.

And then the former police chief died.

Yes, of cancer apparently.

But yes, he did Cancer, but a lot of people.

Died of COVID.

So this is trial number two, because the first one was what A hung jury?

Hung jury Because it's so screwy.

And a lot of people are not being invited back to testify again.

Which is crazy.

Now what so how?

do you even have another trial?

I don't know.

If you're not bringing back the key players exactly you've decided.

They're not useful why are you wasting everybody's tax dollars, which gets us, gets us back to the justice system and the police, which I got a lot to say about?

oh, yeah, always they can cover up whatever the they want yeah and they can do whatever they want and they can screw with your life, and they do Again.

Your best bet is just not to talk to them If their mouth is moving.

They're like credit card companies and they're lying to you.

They're lying.

They're not your friend.

They're not your friend.

They don't want to be your friend.

They look at you as a criminal, no matter what, and that's the way they're going to put it.

So you try and give them everything.

Oh yeah, I'll be helpful.

Just look at them, give them a finger and say suck my cock, jeez.

Well, that's what it's getting to at this point in time.

It's crazy.

And the fact that they can go this far and cover everything up, cover their tracks Right and make everything look like something didn't happen or happened in a different way, make sure you question the entire legal system.

Correct.

Anytime there's a police officer involved, any judge has got to be under the assumption that they've doctored statements.

You do realize the judge is also somehow related to the family that owns that house.

That's why he's not allowed to be investigated.

She.

No.

Oh.

No, it's.

Brian.

Albert and Colin Albert.

Okay.

Colin Albert cannot be indicted in the murders.

But why?

It didn't say Shocking, it didn't tell you why.

Alright, the deciding judge, who's going to decide this woman's fate?

What was her name?

Canone.

Beverly something.

Let me just look it up real quick.

But they said that she somehow has some sort of relation with people that were at that party that night.

She should not be the judge.

She was If that's true.

She should not be the judge, that's correct.

She should have reaccused herself and had to do it.

From day one.

Yeah, so therefore it should be a mistrial, no matter what.

Correct.

Mistrial.

But somehow there she is.

So maybe and maybe it's wrong.

Therefore, we come back around.

We are reading information on the internet.

I could be wrong.

Maybe I'm not correct, but well, what way do they want us to read this?

That's why this is confusing, exactly, and compelling.

It's because they're not trying to spin it in one person's favor no, they're really not and within five minutes of reading it, I had higgins you did yeah which no one has said at all.

No, I mean, he's one of the three uh suspects.

Besides, read outside of her right and yet nobody said anything about him.

He's only mentioned about twice yeah, I had not heard that name and I watched the documentary and everything he had flirty messages yeah, I, I had not seen anything about that, so that's definitely news flirty messages was the kiss of death right because if you say flirty messages, there's pictures, there's naughty things and there's something going on true I know this because I did it.

Oh yeah, yes, and it.

That's what happens.

And if you're exchanging flirty messages, right you're.

Look, I don't exchange flirty messages with very many people, okay, when I do, it's because I'm flirting with you.

I mean otherwise.

Right, I don't exchange flirty messages with very many people.

Okay, when I do, it's because I'm flirting with you.

I mean right Otherwise.

I don't even answer or respond.

That's true, you don't respond to a lot of things.

So if you're responding with flirty messages, you're looking for something and you want to, and that's what that means.

Right.

And she's doing it with Brian Higgins.

That's why they got in a fight in the car.

Guarantee you something was happening in that bar they went to with Brian Higgins.

Okay.

Dancing too close, talking too flirtatiously, whatever.

Right.

They got in a fight in the car on the ride home, on the ride back to the Albert's house, and that's what set all of this in motion and nobody will say anything, because Police cover their own.

It's a po-po.

Yeah.

They will make up, anything they will use.

It's incredible what was written about my own particular case.

Right.

That wasn't fucking true.

Right, right yeah.

They will write anything they fucking want.

Uh-huh, they can't take statements over the phone, but they will literally write.

What you said on the phone.

I called Ditto and he told me this over the phone it's illegal to do that.

Yeah, they do it.

That's how brazen.

They are Right.

And these are the rights that you don't understand that you have.

Yeah, and the only reason I know that is I called the local police department today ask them can you take statements over the phone?

she's like no, we're not allowed to.

And when I asked them if I could press charges, they said you have to come down here and make a statement.

I was like why you're on the phone with me right now?

Oh, we can't take statements over the phone right, that's all dumb, yeah.

So in this whole situation I think that's kind of why I question like is karen reed who knows?

karen reed is involved.

She may just be a victim of like she's not close enough with all these police officers karen reed is involved and they put her there.

Not only that, but let me say one thing.

I've heard horrifying stories of of the Massachusetts State Police from a very reliable source.

Okay.

It's incredible and what happened here if you can't read into it.

They've all been fired.

Yeah, all the people involved with this have been fired from the Massachusetts State Police, kind of crazy.

Because they protected their own, and that's how that went.

Right.

But alright, there's another episode in the books.

Wow.

Look at that.

We'll get to more of it.

We'll see what happens with Karen Reed.

It's a big thing right now.

I bet you that she didn't know it was going to happen.

But she knew it had happened first and then went and tried to help cover it up.

That's my point in this.

Okay.

She didn't do it, she didn't kill him, but she knew about it.

She altered statements, evidence and all that stuff.

Oof, I don't know.

That's what I'm saying.

Okay.

It was Higgins.

That's my take on that.

Yeah, that's all I got gotta say about that.

But okay, and that's the bottom line no, I'm not going there.

It's stone cold, but anyway, we're at the end of the episode all right all right guys case.

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