To lighten it up a little bit, Taylor, you reference the abominable snowman in Empire strikes Back that is called Obama is the name of it.

And that's not what's on matter on.

Hey everyone, you are listening to Pod of Rebellion.

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And today we're going over season two, episode seventeen, the Honorable Ones aka.

Back Ice Moon.

Before that, we got to check in as always, how's everybody doing?

I mean, I feel like.

It's already off the rails.

Yeah, already broke back Wait what did you say iceman?

Because thrown ice Moon iceman or look or just broke back moon if you want to go a little more.

Or whatever moon.

It's descriptive after Yeah, and it's also like ironical because it wasn't that cold on that moon?

As you know, we're about to get into just yeah.

Anyways, so should we do the recap?

How's our body doing?

Do it?

Okay?

Everybody feels like a Friday.

It's not no, no, but it does.

Okay.

So here comes the recap for Season two, episode seventeen, brought to you by the Scum and Villainy canteena the original air date February twenty fourth, twenty sixteen.

Here we go.

The Ghost Crew investigates an abandoned weapons platform above Geonosis, where naturally they're ambushed by Imperial forces led by none other than Asian Callous Zeb.

Mchallius immediately square off Chopper battles with the Imperial droid.

It's a typical day for the gang, but in the midst of his personal battle, Callous Zeb is separated from the group as they make their escape.

Then, just as he's about to be in the clear, calls to Size the hitch a ride in his escape pod.

Their skullfel continues until their pod crash lands into a cave on an ice moon.

Callous is a broken leg, calms are down, and now the two rivals are stuck together.

Two rivals one cave take that.

However, you look.

Then, through the course of their time together, despite being in freezing temperatures, things between them, like NBA jam are heating up through the power of communication.

Ze Micheals end up being the embodiment of Brene Brown's thesis that people are hard to hate.

Close up between their trauma bonding to fighting off the cave ice monster together and Zeb giving Callous a piggyback ride, the two of them start to look less like rivals and more like starcross lovers.

After making it out of the cave with the help of one another, falling asleep on each other, it is now time for the two of them to make like journey and go to separate ways.

Zeb goes with his ghost Crew family and Kllus waits for the Empire.

But with the fleeting look that Zeb gives back in Callous's direction before boarding the Ghosts and Hells affectionately holding the heat rock that Zeb gave to him in the cave, one thing is very clear.

These two wait for it just can't quit each other, and that first season two episode seventeen, The Autumble Ones aka Broke Back Ice Mountain Bravo.

I can't quit you.

That was fantastic.

I was very much looking forward to this recap, even more so than usual because I love this episode and there's so much to say about it.

So where should we start.

To say thank you, thank you for that?

Okay, yeah, well sorry, I do have me.

I took a lot of notes.

Again, I do have one question out the gate, and I couldn't remember.

I mean, I guess I could have gone back and listened to our Henry episodes, but I could have sworn when we did this, when we recorded this that I thought that Dave told us that this was based on The Defiant Ones starring Sidney Poitier and Tony Curtis.

If you haven't seen that movie, listeners, please go watch it.

It's fantastic.

I think they were both nominated for Oscars.

Are they won?

I should look it up anyway.

But then when we were talking to Henry, I feel like he was he did not really acknowledge.

Any another one was he said something else?

He said enemy Mine.

It was a movie from the eighties directed by Wolfgang Peterson.

For those who don't know, Wolfgang Peterson did this OSCAR nominated movie called Dos Botes.

He did neverending Story, Troy a lot of prolific stuff.

And have any of you seen, and I mean mine, that's actually one of my favorite Pichay movies.

It's lu Gassa Junior and Dennis Quaid and Lucasa Juniors is alien known as the drag Race, and Dennis Quaid is as you know, human, you know, space soldier from Earth and they're stuck on this planet together.

But then even though they start out not speaking the same language, they end up becoming like best friends and all this stuff.

So when Henry said that, I was like, oh my god, because I grew up watching that movie.

Yeah, it's crazy.

Well, the Defiance.

First of all, it's called this this episode is called The Honorable Ones, so I have to have to believe that in some way it is based on that movie or inspired by that movie.

And also in the movie, Tony Curtis and Sidney Poitier play two convicts chained together, one white, one black.

This was in the sixties, fifties, sixties, and you know they're at odds, but they have to work together to escape.

I don't want to give anything away in case anyone wants to go watch The de Fine Ones.

Why are you laughing at me already?

Taylor?

Anyway, I just was curious because I do y'all remember any Filoni telling us about that, because it's so similar that, you know, these two people who are at odds and have kind of fundamental issues with each other have to sort of set those aside and work together to achieve a goal.

And it's anyway, I thought, I love this episode so much.

It's so great, the performances are so good.

I just want I think I've said this before.

I want David a Yellowo to like read me a that time story because voice is so beautiful and soothing and oh my first note is w t F f f F is that alien space triceratops?

Does it have a name?

So mine wrote the same thing.

I said, what the actual is that dinosaur thing?

It's a bonzombie?

Oh you guys, you read out the cheap code I am to be Trivia just tells you everything.

And that's just an anagram for Zamboni.

So he's a hockey fan.

Yeah, okay, I'm like, I've been on a lot of hockey rinks.

That's not exactly what I would think of, for like, as an animal.

When I read it.

I was like, what it's like, tops right, it's a dinasty Yeah, yeah, okay.

Well I did not remember that creature and when I saw it, I was like, oh my god, what is that.

I don't like it.

I don't care for it.

Yeah, those were fun when Chopper gets into it with the other droid.

The other droid was remarkably a lot like either the Pittsburgh Steelers or the Penguins.

And now you're telling me there's a Zamboni reference.

Does IMDb have anything to say about that droid that gets all the Pittsburgh teams.

Also reference bloads on IMDb trivia because I'm quoting it like it's oh it's.

Me, yeah, assault.

Yeah, it's something about it.

I couldn't even understand, like a desert, like it's the desert, but also an ice moon and I was like, my first note was like they're freezing.

I just like how they animated.

I love this in in movies when you see people's wrecked because maybe we see behind the curtain for too long.

And I mean, you guys know all the tricks like when it's not supposed to be w so you put ice in your mouth and different things like I just love the animated actual breath going out.

I was like, oh, there's some money spot.

I enjoyed that.

I also love learning we get it comes in little sprinkles throughout.

But when I love learning the thought lore, like especially when we like learned that zeb was a captain No captain.

Wow.

So I learned it real good, real good.

I'm not knowing it at all.

Probably forgetting what story of my life when he when he talks about is it boosts on Carri?

What?

So?

What?

That's it?

Okay, that is it?

I just watched it and I wrote it down, although I didn't know how to spell it.

But anyway, that that's cool.

It's kind of like I don't know, Harry Carrie or I mean, you know, like a practice.

Uh the warrior way of the yeah way.

Anyway, what did you think about it?

Taylor?

Over there?

I thought it was pretty cool that Kallas ends up like on Hawk upside down and the are we are we seeing anything?

From all I remember when I was young of seeing Star Wars was that I always thought of this scene when he's upside down and the like abominable snowman type thing is coming for him.

Is that not kind of a play on how Callous ends up and an icy thing upside down, stuck in this thing and a creature is coming towards him.

Taylor didn't no one else.

That's I don't mean.

I'm just soaking in all your knowledge, man, crazy.

I think we're all in shock that you.

I couldn't tell you.

Is that a new hope maybe.

Strikes back?

Yeah, but you know what I mean, like it's cold upside down all, like I.

Forgot about the upside down?

Yeah, Taylor.

Can I say one thing which I know is, you know, we try to stay away from like being too explicit about what's happening in the world.

We sort of tend to reference things without being too specific.

So I'll do the same.

But when Callus says I never asked questions, and what does zeb say, He says, like, well, maybe you should have.

It just felt very topical, you know, like just generally talking about like military members of the military blindly following orders irrespective of legality.

And you know, we recorded that episode ten years ago and it just felt I was like, oh that, yeah, you know, Star Wars, it's just applicable to so much for.

For forever, you know, very timeless.

Yeah, I wrote in my notes, what we see between you know, all the jokes even though we're not joking aside the lover's thing with whom Zeb and Callous is this interaction between the two of them was so fascinating because we see to piggyback on what you're talking about to you, this propaganda versus truth.

They were both kind of told stories about one another until they start to be face to face, which is why point out Brene Brown.

When you see people up close, like, oh wait, we're not as different as we thought, And then we get this whole like indoctrination versus empathy, and like survival versus ideology.

How ideology kind of goes out the window when survival is your number one priority, which is what happens with Callous.

Here's that whole gravitas, that machismo exterior completely fades away because he's completely at the mercy of somebody who could have killed him at any time.

But Zeb chose to be the honorable one here.

And that's when they actually have an understanding of each other.

But they realize is that and then that's why it's very star cross.

They just are opposite sides of the battlefield.

For now.

But I just felt like, wow, like that's some deep stuff right there.

Uh, in terms of character work, you know totally.

I mean when he when when David when Callous gives that that monologue, it's so moving and you know, obviously his performance is wonderful, but just like it's it's deep, it's deeply moving.

And then immediately Zeb's like, oh no, but imperials are all But you know, it goes right back into fall, falling back into your your ways, even though you are being confronted well, I mean, I think it's really hard to be confronted with Uh, it's human nature to fight the idea that you could have been wrong, just generally speaking, but also with your like deeply held beliefs, and when you're confronted with something that contradicts those beliefs, it's it's very difficult to shake them and learn from them.

And you know, sometimes it takes being stranded on a ice moon in the middle of space to kind of be forced to maybe reevaluate.

Question for the class, do we think that this started?

What is that from?

I've just heard that and said, is that from the question for the class?

Yeahco, what is that?

What is anything?

Anymore.

Is this part of I not to spoil anything people have If you listening this podcast, presumably you've watched more of this and we have.

Uh, is this part of the catalyst of where Callous is going?

Or because I didn't really cluck into Callous too much until his other side, right, And so when I saw this at the beginning ep set, I was like, Oh, he's just it's faking it, like he knows.

But then I was like, I don't.

I don't think that's the case.

I was a little confused as to like, where does he stand in relation to the obviously a deep sea of belief is a deep seat or like what he might lean towards, But where is he?

Do you know what I'm saying?

Kind of well, yes, I totally do.

And I was wondering the same, not that he's acting, but that they are truly in this very dire situation.

And so whatever, whatever, the dialogue is all organic, right and and and but I think the moment I forgot about this moment at the very very end where he gets that like cold half greeting from what is an admiral Constantine and he and he had just witnessed, you know, our like exuberant welcome, like when we go and pick Zeb up and we're like, oh, oh my god, zeb you know, and he's witnessed to that.

And then he gets saved and and there's like a perfunctory you know, Kurt agent Callous, and then he goes into his room and it's so sad.

It's really very heartbreaking.

I think that's the I don't know about y'all, but I think that's the moment where things start to ship for Callous.

I remember Felony talking about that that this was an episode where and in a weird way, you know, the last episode we talked about how Harrah, sentenced by sentence, got back into her ryeloth accent.

For me, in this episode, it was interesting to watch how combatitive they were.

And then there's a sound of an animal and about some creature Toronto source Rex.

Or whatever the heck that thing is.

What is it?

Taylor?

You guys but zombie?

Thanks?

Taylor knows no, but when when?

And like the stakes start changing and then well you know, Zeb could kill him, but he doesn't because you know, he says, you need me to get out of here.

It's funny how their dialogue goes from oh and this valuable, you know, valiant, Lisade did this and that with Sagerera and I was just doing my duty and things start to break down to if we want to survive, we're going to have to get along and I'll kill you later, okay, like they're postponing.

They're they're fighting until later.

Like even when he wakes up all cuddled up with him, he punches him when he wakes up to go, so.

You know, they're like who Yeah.

But I do think that the the family vibes that were you know, when we greet Zeb and rescue him or whatever, when he says he's holding you know, the rock or whatever it was from the moon and he says something, I mean, he's got a broken leg, and he addresses his colleague and he's just like, man, right, you know, there's there's nothing there he I think when he's alone in his room, he realizes, like, these people would never save me the way Zeb was saved.

I have given my duty and I have not ask questions to a group that really doesn't care about me, and I've never felt more alone.

I think Filoney.

Wanted to utilize this episode as a way for callous to come to that realization that this choice costs even him and that, you know, I felt that at the end, I felt so sad for him alone, like that that he would give everything for nothing.

And I think for me that that seemed like the point at which he I don't know if that's the exact point, but I think all of this built a case for questioning authority and seeking the truth the way I think Zeb says if maybe you should ask questions and the truth will be revealed or something like that, like seeking the truth is worth the bother, do you know?

So anyway, I also, as a Clone Wars fan, you bring up Genosis, like, you know, the first battle of the Clone Wars.

It's interesting to me that this healing happened on a moon and not on Genoe, that there.

Were two battles on Genosis.

J C.

He'll he'll break it all down for us.

But I hear Genosis and I'm.

Like, oh my god.

You know, second season Clone or you know, d is incredible.

And I love how Captain Rex is like, ah Genosis, you know, because he definitely had some dealings with those insects and whatever.

He what were those things?

And he did voice for the insects as well.

Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure.

But anyway, I'm sure JC will speak to that.

But I love that this romance starts blossoming on a moon.

I just I just the poetry of that was not lost to me.

I was great.

Yeah, did you bring up such great stuff here?

Sorry?

Are you going to say something?

You?

Please?

Go ahead.

I'm just piggybacking on what everyone's saying in terms of like this is Kells turning, for lack of a better word, He's almost becoming like the heretic of the Empire at this point, or he's willing to instead of this blind faith.

He's starting to percepts suggestion, well why don't you ask questions?

Why don't you explore the how and the why and why are you doing this?

Because he was up to this point I would say the perfect soldier, because he wasn't questioning everything.

And it's not just that he believed the empire.

It's like I think, and this is going back to what we talked about the last episode with the book I for Duke Keith Payne's book about like mental gymnastics in our psychological immune system.

He has to believe he's doing the right thing by believing the empire.

It's not that he just believes them.

He needs to believe them of course, until now now he's like, well, wait a minute, I'm seeing this person who could have legitimately killed me in my weakest moment, but he still held on to his principles but did it with such grace.

So it's like it's when it's like when you're like, if you're an athlete, you see an athlete on another level, like, oh wow, that's how I can level up.

It's when you see a tangibly like oh wow, okay, now I get it, Or if you're as actors, you see someone that's like so next level.

Oh I didn't know you could do that.

That's cool.

Now do you start questioning ways that you can implement that in to your own life.

That's what I see Callous as by the end of that episode, And you're right, it's so melancholy and somber and isolated and cold, and it's just he realizes, like that's not normal.

It's like, look for me, for me to be open, Like I grew up in a pretty tumultuous household.

I didn't realize that wasn't normal until I got older, I'm like, oh wow, Like my I was like depressed and anxious the first half of my life.

I didn't realize it until I was like, oh, wait, is that and not how it's supposed to be.

But then that's where the healing can begin.

Yeah, it's not until you're confronted with an alternative that you realize that maybe what you've known is not the norm or maybe not healthy or in his case, you know, he like y'all said, he's he would die for the empire, and he realizes in that moment.

I think it's like a twofold thing, right, because then he sees his enemy.

He spends time involuntarily with his enemy, and his enemy saves his life, not only chooses not to kill him, but literally saves him.

So then he sees this like he's confronted with the fact that, like what he's been told about the enemy is maybe not true.

And then he goes back to his you know, where he belongs quote unquote, and I think he realizes in that moment that like he would die for the empire, the empire would not care a bit.

He's totally replaceable.

He you know, they don't He's just one of a million, right, and so I think it's you know, it's very sad, but I also really love Callus.

So I'm excited for now this like turning point and what's to come.

And I love this romance or whatever you want to call it, romance beyond romance.

Yeah, I love that.

The gun that was supposedly a trophy from a battle that Callous took with a lassat that that is what Zeb used to heal his leg, to give him the ability to stand.

It's almost like the defiant ones, the honorable ones.

These weapons of war are being used to give him the ability to walk.

That there were so many things going on here, and as Taylor so astuteley pointed out references to former films with Callous hanging from the ceiling in an ice cave, I mean, right, Taylor, expect there's a lot of poetry.

It is a really beautiful, a very deep episode, and I feel, look, I don't know if this episode is underappreciated.

That might not be true, but regardless, I think we should appreciate it more because you know, Stephen David are so good and the nuance, like the nuance of their performances is really moving and impressive.

But I also feel like, I know, in the last episode of this podcast, I talked about the animation and how it just gets better and better.

There was so much subtext between the dialogue and we're talking about animation here, so like, hats off to the animators for like giving us these moments and this subtext and like sort of deepening the connection between these two characters when nothing is being said.

I was really touched by that, right, Taylor.

Same same disease.

Oh boy, they had Zeb's ears wiggling in the wind.

Really, I thought, I match yours with some depth.

Yeah, yeah, talk about his student observations.

Yeah cool, yeah, thank you, thanks for that.

That's very deep.

But yeah, I want to go because you brought it up to you.

The bustan Kira.

I thought that was such a cool layer to the whole thing of one the whole this is Callus's gravitas going away.

He's like, yeah, I said that just for show, but the truth is, this is what happened.

But we're also seeing how rooted Star Wars is in Japanese tradition.

As you know, that's very much bushido, the way of the warrior in Japanese Samurai ways, which is when you are outmatched by somebody, you are going to respectfully say yes, you won, even though it may be painful to do so, and like in modern times and other relatable times, that's called sportsmanship.

You know, even if you're out matching the game, you're still should shake hands and acknowledge yeah, you bet you got me as much as it hurts.

Even when Ohio State kills your team.

You're alma mater and I don't want to acknowledge you guys, but you guys are very good and I have to acknowledge it.

That is husan kira, but I hope anyway, anyway, so what do you all think about that?

What are the words that people say when the rank thirteenth in the nation?

Oh my god.

That's a fourth letter word.

It's on the crossroads six letter word.

Yeah.

Anyway, back stars, is there a Is there another episode with the just the two of them?

Or is this the one?

Isn't there further bro, like the bromance continues?

Oh?

I think yeah, but like an exclusive owner now.

I think this is like, oh, JC will know?

Do y'all know?

Off the top of my head?

I can't recall another like one isolated bottle episode of between the two, but.

Because I feel like it isn't necessarily based just on this episode.

Well that's what I was trying to figure out exactly.

That is the whole like their whole thing.

I mean, it would make sense, but also I thought there might have been another one, but I'm not sure.

I feel like it continues as he starts to give us intel and aligning himself.

It sort of naturally kind of seeps like the the B or C plot in various episodes down the line.

But I don't I don't know that they ever have their like hug it out thing, you know, But I don't know that this was underappreciated.

I remember everyone would always say like, oh, I ship Harah and Kanaan, and then suddenly that was eclipsed, Oh yeah, by the callous zeb What did they call it, zealous Dallas something like that.

I think that not so JC came up with Zebulus during one of our Q and a's, but what the fan name was something else?

Kelup is what?

But then JAC came up with, Uhbulus is catching we should trade mark that that's.

Really sounds like the ninth planet.

Sorry, the tenth planet.

Let's say.

Well, at any rate, I think I think this really.

This started to eclipse the.

I.

I was born of a certain time, and I will always consider Pluto to be ninth planet.

Justice for Pluto anyway, nebulous planet.

Yeah, sorry, Vanessa, you were saying, go on please, No, No, I just let.

Her keep digging.

Yeah.

I think this romance took over the whole shipping of Canaan and Harah.

So I do think people very much appreciated this.

No, No, You're right.

I was not suggesting it was underappreciated.

I was just upon rewatching, I'm like, man, this episode is so good.

They're writing, the acting, the animation and music, it's the plot itself, the references to other pieces of well film and literature.

I just I love this episode so much.

John, Sorry, what were you saying?

No?

No, no, It was like I never like thought of it like that.

And then when you said that, I'm like, oh, that's like the double date that we all should have been the witness Callison's that up with like hair Ricanan at like Earth Cafe or something.

I don't know.

Back to this on, are there ever dates in Star Wars JC exactly let's get a rebellion.

I mean, who has the time to go on a little dainty date a little.

So now, look, hey, you guys should do this prequel series.

You know you got to have like dating arc.

I'm just saying the same.

We're breaking story and a lot of good stuff here.

If Halland has enough time to sit with Grito at a scene at a bar, like someone can go on a date.

I where's there a date in Star Wars?

I think that the romance is But what happened to chivalry?

Oh talk to your boy, Ezra?

Yes, and to quote you Taylor, clip.

It, clip it, one last thing before we bring on JC and going back bringing it back to us talking about real world stuff.

But also not the moment where you know, Zep's talking to Calws at the beginning of them being stuck in this cave and calls still being very stuck on what I believe is the right thing, because I have to believe this is right.

He's like, you would get a fair trial, and you're just kind of okay, like, and that just goes back to the whole thing.

When you're on the side of privilege, you don't understand how the oppressed are going to feel and they.

Don't beat you over the head with it.

But if you know, you know, we all are very hyper aware of that stuff, and that just hit you know.

I acknowledged it when I first saw it, you know, almost ten years ago, but watch to now and becoming hopefully a more mature, well adjusted adult in my early forties, I was like, oh wow, like the way Star Wars is very timeless and timely no matter what time you're watching, it is really a fascinating thing, truly, And but just that line, I was like, oh wow, like you would get a fair trial, and he believes it, and Zeb's like, Hi, are you kidding me?

I was like, dude, look at me, Look at you.

You might get a fair trial.

But no, they they one.

Look at me.

I'm hell without bail.

There's no pale bonds and there's no nothing for me.

Like it's it's I'm being put away for a long time.

Yeah, it's so it's hard to listen to because it is so applicable to now real life, you know, and for all of time, for all of humankind, I guess.

But like, it's amazing that you watch four point fifty fifty year old movies fifty eight year old movies.

A fifty eight year old movie, we're talking about one in particular, and and go like, oh wow, these themes are very very prescient, right, and then we're talking about I know it's only ten years ago, but still like we're watching these things and this is like not just this episode.

Episode after episode, We're like, man, that thing that so and so said is so so eerily applicable to what's happening right now in the world or this country or wherever our society.

So it's it's it's just a testament to Star Wars and the writing, how how it can move through time and or it's a testament to how we refused to as a society progress.

But you know what, that's this conversation for another podcast after.

Dark after Dark, Yeah, what that reminds me of this.

It's like the writers of this show and just you know, the Star Wars Lord.

It's this hyper awareness of this quote from Mark Twain.

It's like history doesn't repeat this out, but it sure does rhyme.

And it's like I feel like that's almost like the core thesis.

I mean throughout not just Star Wars, but these there's certain stories throughout time.

Star Wars is obviously one of the most if not the most prominent one, but the ones that are these stories that the gifts that keep on giving, like Jordan Peelel movies to me are the gifts that keep on giving.

He was saying so very timing at the time, but then you watch it ten years after the fact, you're like, oh, wow, get Out is still sadly, very very relevant of what he's talking about.

I think it's just whether they consciously are thinking of that quote or not.

Either way, there's some sort of understanding of this is the cycle, the cyclical nature of.

Existence, and.

Just the beatles.

Yeah, and then it's the powerful powerfulness of storytelling, music whatever that can help and artists express that their feelings on that.

Wow, how John just really steamrolld right over that.

Thank you John for not taking the bait.

Maybe you didn't hear him exactly, y'all.

I was just you guys are all so well read.

I thought I would ask you if you read this.

It's not a book.

It's a short story that I read as a child and it has stayed with me ever since.

It was so deeply impactful to me.

Yes, I believe his name house.

I think it's it's called it's a short story called The Interlopers or Interlopers.

I think I have read.

That Bysaki s a k I.

It reminds I haven't read it in a long time.

So if I reread it and I go, oh, maybe not, but in my mind it is very very similar, a similar story to the Defiant Ones this episode, and it was written in nineteen nineteen.

I just looked it up.

But anyway, if anyone out there has read The Interlopers, please comment in the DM the in the DMS in the comments and let me know.

And also, I'm going to reread this after this episode.

Make sure that I didn't just tell you.

It's a great story regardless.

But in my mind, I'm like, oh, that's that's another story that's very similar and it's super eerie and super great.

I'm going to read that.

I haven't read that, And thank you for the suggestion of you guys, please thank.

You, no problem.

I love that.

I love that.

Look into our pod Rebellion book Club.

Is that's so easy.

It's a it's a short read, but it's.

It's really cool, even better, my ADHD thanks you very much for that.

Sold.

All right, so uh, if anything else, should we should we bring on the man?

Should we bring that?

Yeah?

All right, all right again, I don't have a lot today, but I thought I dig into some light topics, like the sterilization of Genenosis, which is this is I think the first time they reference it that the planet.

There's no life on the planet of Geonosis anymore.

So to give a little background in context, Grandma of Targan after the Battle of Geonosis that happens in Star Wars episode two, there were leaks about the Death Star being built, so he moved it and to suppress any more information about the secret project the Death Star from getting out, they dropped gas canisters full of insecticide to the planet and wiped out one hundred billion Geonosians.

There's only one that survived, which we revisit, I believe in later episodes of Rebels.

This is the first reference and it points to or is a build off of.

In the nineteen ninety West End Games Rebellion source book, they wrote a declaration of rebellion which was written as if Man Mafma wrote it, which was then made canon in a twenty sixteen book about Star Wars propaganda references.

In her declaration of rebellion, she says, you have instituted a policy of blatant speciesism and genocide against the non human peoples of the galaxy, and that is referencing the wipe, the sterilization of genosis.

So all of that is.

In that, like one line of dialogue, is where that expands out to from this episode.

To lighten it up.

A little bit, Taylor, you reference the abominable snowman in Empire Strikes Back.

That is called a wampa is the name.

Of it, And that's not what's on that's a YETI I believe I thought that was a cooler.

You guys are.

Talking about callous kind of where is he at the start of the episode versus the end.

The thing that I noticed is when he walks into his quarters on the ship, he has one personal artifact, which is the glowy rock that he brought from the moon with zeb That's the only personal item he has in that room, which I thought was pretty cool, like nonverbal saying a lot without you know, expositional dialogue or anything like that.

You guys talked about when they wake up together and punch each other, I would be a poor Chicago in if I didn't say it reminded me of planes, trains, and automobiles, where Steve Martin and John Candy wake up together in bed and a discussion of two pillows happens that we won't get into.

Vanessa, you were right about Callison zeb This is the only like date episode that they have, but it kind of seeps into the bigger story throughout the remaining episodes of Rebels, Taylor, you wanted to know if people go on dates and star wars.

At the top of my head, I could think of two that we know about.

Anakin and Pat may have that date where he feeds her fruit with the Force, and then Han and Leia go on their honeymoon to the Halcyon Galactic Star Cruiser, which no longer exists.

Wait, when is that.

That happens post Return of the Jedi.

It happens in a comic book.

Oh, I was sorry, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we don't get to see that.

And then there's an entire like kind of I don't want to call it a romance novel, but kind of romance novel called Lost Stars by author Claude A.

Gray that you guys can dig into if you're more interested in that.

And then my last thing, you guys talked about Mark Twain and how it rhymes and doesn't repeat and all of that.

It reminded me of another Space series that I love that continues to be relevant, which was Battlestar Galactica.

And they keep the refrain and that is all of this has happened before all this will happen again.

I like that there, it is mic draw, all of this has happened before all of this will happen again.

I'm going to write that down.

Some deep stuff.

Jac I feel like we could do a whole I'd love to hear you on a deep dip a Battlestar.

I'm not as well versed nearly as you are in that world.

I watched them more casually, but I would just love even if it's not a show.

It's like on a sidebar, because you know me and my curious brain.

I feel like that quote there and I'm like, oh wow, I still for a lot of Battlestar.

It would appear.

I man, I broke my ankle and my friend was like, watch Battlestar Galactica.

So I just sat there and I watched, like all of it straight through.

It's it's hard.

Though it's similar, It's not similar, but it is similar to like Binging Breaking Bad, where after length all right, after like ten episodes of Breaking Bad, you're just like there's no hope for humanity.

And Battle Star is similar where you're just like, oh my gosh, like this is this is hard to watch.

I got to step away and like see some sunflowers or something happy.

So funny.

I had the opposite reaction to Breaking Bad.

I felt like this man loved his family so much that he would become a drug dealer because he thought he was dying, and that that there is something to believe in that when when people care about each other, they go to any lengths, even betraying the very family that they loved.

Finish the series, Yes.

Season three true what I'm saying.

After ten episodes, I was sure.

I was.

I was hooked because of his dedication to that task.

Obviously it had a bleak ending that was just heart just.

The genius of Vince Gilligan and the way he writes characters And speaking of is anybody watching, I'm obsessed?

I'm all in, are you?

I need that to then be curious because I just the.

Way Vince writes characters, you know.

So I'm so drawn to the way he writes and like he almost the reverse of what he did with Walter White.

Walter White was so likable at first and then he turned where it's like he did like the antithesis of that.

I don't.

I'm fascinated with that process.

So I could see how it's very hit or missed with people.

But for me, I'm like, oh, the fact that he went this way as a writer creator, there's gotta be a rhyman reason.

Obviously, with Vince Gilligan.

That process, it just feels there's so much Breaking Bad.

You do you understood the world?

They didn't have to set it up too much, right this the world is requiring so much set up that I'm like, I feel like his characters in this are not nearly as strong as Breaking Bad, you know what I mean, because they have to spend time building out this.

They should have just released as a binge watch things.

Yeah.

Yeah, it should have just been like a limited series so you can absorb it all.

I don't think shows like that should be watched weekly, like Breaking Bad was structured for like Cable brought Hyata and cable and had those natural breaks where you could absorb it and then come back.

But I feel like a pluripist is like, maybe just give it to a us that once you can see the entire story, I will.

I will try again.

I just had to stop because I was it was I felt so deeply uncomfortable, which is not about a reason to stop watching something like their movies and TV shows that make you uncomfortable, and that's a good thing.

But yeah, I like love, Love, breaking bad Love.

Better call Saul, she and better Call Saul.

I don't want to give anything.

I won't say too much.

Have you guys all watched it?

The last moment of the show.

Oh, that has stayed with me for the years and years since it aired, Like I there's I won't say too much for people who are listening.

I haven't seen it, but there's the last moment of the show.

There are two characters where it's just like, really get it's just a knife to the heart and it's really really moving and impactful.

And then I watched this show with such excitement and I'm like, oh, it's hard.

It's hard.

I'm going to give it some more time.

I'll come back to it, or.

Maybe just wait till all the episodes drop and try to watch it as a whole.

Maybe, yeah, maybe that's the that's the thing.

Okay, Well, so good sour good.

Talking nice streak on our Breaking bad podcast.

You know what I would be that into that?

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