I don't remember having such a repertoire with Chopper, like, well, that's not going to be any slower than you normally do.

Or maybe because you weren't actively having a dialogue, those lines you just delivered to the void, you know, and there was no actual dialogue.

Hi, everybody, Taserkr here, voice of Sabine Wren, Specter five, and you are listening to Potter Rebellion.

Thanks for joining us.

And I'm not alone with us.

We have everybody.

I'm Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harrison Doula, Specter two.

And we also.

Have what's up guys, Taylor Gray, Ezra Bridger's Specter six.

And with us is everybody.

It's John Ley Brodney, your friendly neighborhood moderator for the Potter Rebellion.

And today we are going over season two, episode four of the Old Republic and the words of Harris and Doula.

Hang on because here we go.

Nice, how's everybody doing?

This is a fun episode.

Let me just say that, fun, action packed, very all right, I'm talking everybody.

That's everybody see you guys this week?

All right.

So there's a lot that happens in this episode.

So I think we should just jump right in and we'll get into my recap.

I'm sure there's a lot of things we can talk about.

There's a lot of action, but a lot of like character building, which is a lot of fun, which we'll get into.

But before we get to that, as always, we do the little recap.

So Star Wars Rebel Season two, Episode four, Relics of the Old Republic original air date October twenty first, twenty fifteen.

Now, before I do the recap, does anyone know the significance of October twenty first, twenty fifteen.

I was probably picking out my Halloween costume that year.

Besides that, am I doing sexy Cain or sexy Lawyer?

Can you give us a hen sexy?

Oh you o cat?

It involves a flying DeLorean.

It's a very pop culture future.

It's a future future date.

Mm hmm.

So back to the future too.

When Doc Marty and Jennifer go to twenty fifteen, the day they go is October twenty first, twenty to fifteen, which means.

And they were going to watch Rebels.

That's where they were going, except that they caught up in like Hildale and all this stuff, and Jennifer sell her her self.

Were it not for that, Marty, Doc and Jennifer could have watched this incredible episode of Star Wars Rebels.

When jac can fact check all this at the end, he's probably got more of what was going on in Hill Valley other than Jennifer, Marty, and Doc not watching Star Wars Rebels but their loss.

But anyways, here comes to the recap for season two, episode four.

It's a race against time.

The Empire's inbound, the Phantom still needs repairs, and on top of it all, like the the Root song from the year two thousand, a sandstorm is coming.

It's a two minute drill that would make even Josh Allen a little nervous.

Despite successfully shooting down a tie Fighter, the danger is still very imminent when Agent Callus ops for a ground assault against the group with a trio of ad At Walkers.

With the walls closing and really fast, the only moves to go right into the storm.

Though they won't be able to see in that storm, neither will the Imperial Walkers.

However, Canaan is able to position themselves for the best chance of survival with his Jedi powers, flipping the script into a two thousand George Clooney Special, which would be the perfect storm.

It's not like the Azra, who, like eminem in two thousand and two, has one shot that either sees the opportunity or let it slip.

Lucky for everyone, it's the former, and as Our fires away with such precision it makes the do Perfect YouTube channel look like child's play.

This gives the Ghost cur a window to escape, but Ezra doesn't want to leave Rex, Wolf and Gregor a behind, but Rex asserts Azra that this is how it's supposed to be.

They escape while him, Gregor, and Wolf go out in a blaze of glory like bon Jovi.

Only that's not how it goes down.

The fandom swings back around Canaan Azra zeb hijacking add At and turn its cannons on Callus, which solidifies Azara's earlier sentiment that they all make a great team when they work to Meanwhile, back at the Empire, there's an encounter with an inquisitor brother of the fifth kind, who is determined to finish the job of tracking down the Rebels.

The episode ends with the union we all had hope for and been waiting for, the Clone Captain and the Jedi Commander back together at last, Still more battles ahead to be fought well, with the comfort of knowing that they'll have each other.

And that's the recap for Season two, Episode four, Relics of the Old Republic.

Dude Perfect.

There's a lot in this one were like dude perfect, dude perfect.

I don't know what that reference was.

Oh, this is a time that I'm not known.

You've seen you've seen these clips on social media, like when it's a group of guys, but it started.

They'll do like they'll throw a frisbee one hundred yards in it'll land in a trash can.

They're like, dude perfect, and it was like all of the like perfectly fine tune.

Or they'll like throw a playing card and it'll land in a fan blade.

Like it's that thing of like yeah.

Like precision tricks that yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay, thank you.

Be worried.

Like once you watch one, it's one of those things where you can't stop watching them too, like you just keep going, oh my god, what else are gonna do?

What else they're gonna do?

Show you that?

Is it all real?

Or is it like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, They're like athletes that didn't make pros that they are all like buddies here.

I mean stuff that we my brother and I would do grown up all the time.

We would try a million times until we finally like through the tennis.

Fall through the gutter hole and once you go perfect, Yeah it is.

There's a whole thirty for thirty special on them too, like.

That that's really yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're huge.

If thirty for thirty for me is like, okay, that's you.

You're legit.

You're legitimized by thirty for thirty.

Okay, cool, I'll check.

It out right on, right on.

So thoughts on this episode, everybody, how's everybody feeling?

Well, I go ahead, no, no, no, please?

Well the animation, if we can just like start from the macro into the micro that sandstorm.

I I was just.

Blown away by that.

I mean, I know it's zero visibility in this and that, but that that was such an ingenious way to just like double down on the vast sea of the sort of Jaws homage, you know, where the desert is almost like the sea.

For them to then have this sandstorm was the way they executed it.

I thought was just mind boggling.

I was blown away by that totally.

Yeah, how you animate that?

Like I watched it, but it must have been painstaking.

I would imagine you go to the Instagram filter called and you call it a haboo.

Well, hats off to them, like those Saharan sandstorms.

Or even in Arizona palm springs gets them.

Oh, I think it's haboo, right.

Something like Jacon's gonna have to fact check.

Yeah, it's his area of expertise.

The whole sequence, I agree, even as I was like, whoa, this animation is insane.

But also just the that whole sequence.

In the sandstorm, no one can see.

We're using force sensitivity.

It's like super high stakes, like your blood pressure is high.

It was such a like thrilling sequence.

And I feel like we haven't seen in Rebels anyway that kind like that before, you know where it's like this conceit of like no one can see anything and you're just gonna have to trust your senses.

And you know, it's a teaching moment for Ezra.

You know, Canan says to trust and to tell Ezra to trust himself, and he does and he nails it.

And I don't know, I thought it was just like peak badassness.

And when Rex as you know, just like the good old days, when he when he you know, trusts Canaan's ability to see the Jedi ability to see things.

That was to continue with the episode previously that you know, we got into sort of Canaan's post traumatic stress around losing his master in Order sixty six, and to see them work together was yet another really satisfying moment that demonstrates that we can communicate and heal from things like that felt momentous to me personally, a return to balance, and I appreciated that when sorry, I'm not sorry, I agree when Rex says I always trust my general And then it pans to Canaan's reaction of that and.

Trying to digest how he feels about that.

That was really moving.

I really yeah, I love that.

Yeah, it goes back to this war thing to me as well, Like I get this real sense of like vets and what they know, and I think that's always cool.

Like that's something I enjoyed about.

And or the early was the movie is called end Or.

Two, Rogue one, Rogue one, Rogue one, sorry, Rogue one, Like it was like it felt like a war film at times almost like Dunkirk in a.

Way, And I love that and it's fun when you get it in this show in this way.

Yes, agreed, hard agree.

Yes, Yeah, it's a great example of because it's really you know, we see like you know, you know on the Star Destroyers and stuff like that, but it's really like this single location story that we got, but they made it feel so much bigger.

Back to your point, Vanessa and to you about the sandstorm, like to add that steak of okay, the visibility is going to be zero, and then just it made this it's the same location, but just these added external elements that raise the stakes and raise the chances of like failure because like you could literally get one shot to get this right.

It's just it's such a great example.

I feel like screenwriters and any storyteller should study this episode of how you can take one location and then really expand the characters and it's just gonna feel much bigger than one location.

I thought that was really cool.

Steve voicing imperials will never not be funny to me, I know.

And having a conversation with d who's in the a storyline like the two of them back and forth.

It kills me.

Every there's like a little tree.

Yeah we should, yes, we should.

Uh, there's there's a hang on drinking game.

There's how many stormtroopers is Steve?

And then how many billions of characters is D?

Yeah?

I feel like that that would be a fun drinking games, like anytime you can identify Steve's voice, whether he's.

An imperial or some other like creature thing.

Same for D.

I get well, if you if you do both D and Steve, you're you're not going to make it through it up.

So yeah, don't operate heavy machinery.

No, oh, you guys.

That scene or that shot rather of Canaan Ezra and zeb like jumping out of that was so sick.

I was curious, actually, I was like, that should be a print, that should be a poster.

And then it occurred to me to ask you, Taylor, have you ever signed that?

No?

Oh, is anyone listening?

Do y'all have that as a print?

Like that is so sick.

I feel like I want that on my wall.

That was that was epic.

I love that moment so much.

All right, for any of you artists out there or people who create Star Wars rebels art, just just a gentle suggestion and idea, that's a really really cool shot.

I think, sorry, go ahead to.

Well.

I was just gonna say, there's something to this.

I know, you know, uh Luke gets the death Star.

You know he has like one shot and this and that.

There's something about having so much hope and trusting your your the force, your instincts, this or that, and it reminded me.

I was in.

An acting class one time and the teacher and stought me if I've told the story before, but it was amazing to me.

The whole class was in a.

Circle and it was an improv class, and my teacher was trying to teach us that we all know exactly you need to He said, you need to act on a dime.

Don't inhal act, just act.

And he put a shoe somewhere in the circle and he said, I want you to walk to it.

And we blindfolded and we were like, hell the hell are we going to know where the shoe is?

I And here's what's so weird.

Every single person who focused knew where the shoe was and walked over to it and picked it up.

And I had forgotten that lesson.

I know, I don't understand what that is, but it reminds me like when when Canaan says, sometimes you can see things without using your eyes.

I think that's a really valuable lesson up.

There with you can heal things with, you know, just untenable, unfixable situations, post war whatever, that we can heal and communicate and tolerate each other and learn to empathize and whatever else.

But that there is something very powerful about being given permission to close your eyes and do something and be an expert at it now, just owning your power in that moment.

And I had forgotten about that was oh my gosh, a million years ago.

But I thought, like, this isn't just for Jedi.

I think civilians may also utilize these tools.

It inspired me.

So you're dead on and it's beautiful, And that is in line with The Little Prince, that's one of my favorite books.

That what the heart can see, the thing that you love most, you aren't gonna be able to see it necessarily with your eyes.

There is this whatever sense we want to call it, but we do have it.

And I think that's that thing that I don't know sadly as a kid.

I think we all kind of have until we lose the loose touch with that and then you're just trying to get that back all the time.

And it's so beautiful, like that's if we could always maintain that.

That's this like wonderment that is real too, that's like the magic.

Of the world.

Yeah, and that's our show.

I don't think I can any that was it.

This is the one time Jac's like, I have no response.

That was perfect.

There's no notes on this one.

No, that's so valid, and I love that you brought that up because it's really like the whole thing is what you see can actually is the thing that's making you blind, you know.

And it was such a nice callback to Obi Wan's lesson to Luke and a new hope, like your eyes can deceive you, but without them using those words.

And they're so smart about those callbacks but not making it a callback other than Sparkle rebelling where he quotes obi Wan.

But you know, Freddy did it in his own way.

But it's such a valuable lesson and you're ripeing us that it goes beyond Jedi training.

I think that's a great human lesson.

Yeah, you wouldn't think so, but it is.

I didn't believe that anyone would know where the shoe was, but I was just I'll never forget it.

I found it, and I can't even believe I did.

But that's the thing that's fun I'm sorry, that's so funny on that that idea, because that idea governs so much of life to me, it's really hard to articulate that.

Like when you're talking, I remember when I was a kid, like trying to tell my parents, like I know this is it, but I can't necessarily explain why.

But I promise you I feel it and then and then it might happen.

And I'm like, I intuitively know that's happening, but I cannot necessarily articulate it the correct way because it is transcendent of words, and Chemus says that, like, it's such a shame that humans the best we were given to communicate was language, because it will never meet what it is all of a sudden, a podcast where like decoding what someone says, then processing it and then encoding it back.

But we're losing a little bit.

If only we could.

Just like touch, and that's what we're transmitting everything we mean and will never be able to do that, and I think that's why you're closer to some people and others you're like, oh, it's closer communication, but you just never fully get whatever that sense that you're talking about.

I think that's everything, and I don't know how to talk about it.

And I think that's also beautiful and fine.

Have you ever had where your phone's about to ring and you're like, my mom's gonna call and then your phone rings in it's your mom?

You ever?

Am I the only person?

Probably probably.

This is where we're signing, Vanessa, you have the gift.

Yeah, Or it's like my phone my watch goes like someone's calling, and I'm like, I think that and then I know and I look at my phone and that is who it is.

It's I don't know.

To me, that feels like finding a shoe.

I don't know that that's a talent, but it might be something that it's incution.

Yeah, like being being able to access or allow yourself to use your intuition, which I think, I think to Taylor's.

Point, like we unlearned that as we get older, and you're.

Sort of forced or encouraged to become more practical and logical.

So then you sort of.

Tamp down your your your your gut, like like trusting your gut or listening to your gut, or even allowing yourself to have a gut feeling, whether you trust it or not, even to have to to let yourself have that versus applying logic and reason and okay, well does this make sense and like second guessing yourself?

If we would allow ourselves.

To be intuitive and trust that intuition, yeah, I think we sort of unlearn it, like society makes us unlearned because that's not practical necessarily right.

But in this case, as you got the job done, and I love that you got a helmet.

I'm glad that Rex gave you a helmet.

I thought that was cool.

Yeah, then you took it off.

He was like, like, dude, you was you were as it was so like delighted parents.

How to receive a gift when I was young, Like we go over to our cousins stuff.

She's like, and if they can you do anything for Christmas that you already have?

You say, thank you so much it Jenny, and we'll talk about it on the way out because I'm not doing that.

Yeah, four of these.

Oh thanks, I don't need it.

Yes, it was very I thought that like childlike wonderment on Ezra's face was very sweet.

It was like, you know, Christmas morning and then and then two seconds later he's like, man.

Get this thing off me.

I want more FaceTime.

Let me give me one of those.

I love that.

Okay, I love you.

Brought up that moment because it's a little moment two seconds of the show where Ezra kind of almost loses his balances and he's like, I got you.

It's just a simple thing.

But it's like you just see the sibling bond, this this familial bonds really growing and it's just simple, like you know, I got you, don't worry about it.

And he's and Ezra's like, doesn't has to say thing.

He's like, okay, cool, like he just knows that, Yeah, she's got me.

I can trust this.

It's like that trustfall you were doing team building activities and she just totally at his back.

I'd love that or yes, and to what like to tie that back into what Taylor was saying just a minute ago about how Taylor you were saying, how like that's why you can be well, I hope I'm not misquoting you, but like you can be closer to some people because you're able to communicate not Jess verbally, and like that allows you to like have as stronger bond.

And I was just thinking, as John, as you were saying that that.

Like they're established or that has been established and it just grows because you know, I think you probably get pretty close to people when you're like gonna die at any moment.

You have to.

Trust the people you're with to like get through this situation at hand and then the next one and the next one.

So I love.

Seeing I was just thinking kind of the similarities about what you were just saying that, like, yeah, they have that where they don't need to talk about it.

She knows and he's she's got him and he's got her, and same for all of these, you know, members of the Ghost Crew.

But I thought that was sweet moment.

It's just a cool moment.

Just a cool like, oh, they don't need to discuss they're on the level.

You know.

It's like a sports team when when the chemistry really locks in, like when I played ball, like or shout out to Stevie Lafalis, who is r QP one in high school sometimes sometimes I just kind of give one of these and he gives a point back, we know, like okay, like because I see something in the defense and I give one of these, like okay, I know to like throw it high and outside.

It's like they're getting those sort of nonverbal cues or just like a two word verbal cue just to let you know I got your back without having to say all those words, and like it's just it's so organically growing to that point though.

It's like it's so like I said, two seconds of the show, but it's so powerful when you watch it, like I got you and he's like, oh, Like you can just see the comfort on his face.

You know.

There was another moment like that when Kanan says, I hate it when he's right.

Okay, guys, Yeah, it was kind of behind yeah, which I love that he that they turned around and again that shot of them jumping down was amazing.

But that was such a that was so key.

I hate it when he's right, and he just underplayed it and then went into you know, as much as.

I don't like them, I don't want them to die.

But I just thought that was brilliant.

That reminded me of this Western movie, one of my favorite movies called Shane.

I don't know if you're familiar with it, because remember in the end, it's like, Shane come back.

But as you know Shane, Okay, this movie came out a long time while.

Shane and Shane comes back.

But in this case, Shane does come back because Shane leaves in the movie because he doesn't want the boy to see him on his last mission or whatever.

In this case, he flips it on a ten, like, no, We're going to come back and save these guys.

Because again, Star Wars is rooted in Western and Samurai movies.

So I just immediately thought of the movie Shane, probably because I always think of the movie Shane, but I particularly thought of it when they came back, and I thought that was really cool and and and a very big growth moment for Canaan, even though he's kind of in denial of the growth and it's probably scary to him that he would lean into it.

But yeah, I love that line too, because it's very much a Freddy line.

Yeah in any ways too.

But also like this from the last episode into this episode, where we keep seeing Canaan's sort of internal struggle not just with like is he going to get on board with these clones, but also them sort of recognizing him as a general or like a military commander and him rejecting that and not feeling worthy, which we've you know, in season one, we kind of got got some of that, like got got to know that part, that side of Canaan and just that like through this battle sequence and through this he sort of I feel like when he says I always trust my general, the.

Reaction and this is like animation, guys.

And you can see the nuance of his reaction being different than his reaction in the last episode when I forget which clone says something about him being in command, He's like, I know, do you remember that he says, like rejects, rejects the suggestion that he would be in charge, and he's like, I'm no, blah blah blah.

And then this time he kind of softens to it.

I guess he's still not like on board, you can tell, but just in that moment, that brief moment where he receives that and he like chooses to not protest, and I thought that was really a telling moment and also like animated and you get all of that from just like a brief facial expression and a brief like glance.

It's really that's something I wrote down as a question to you guys, And if we're not giving JC that much fact checking.

I'm curious.

Serious, I'm curious of him weighing on this as well, because it started as very solutistically.

I was trying to figure out why I watching part of this episode, I was like, oh, I think I prefer this story being told in animation right now.

And there are moments when I'm watching this show and I'm like, dang, it'd be cool to see this in live action.

Why there?

I have friends who they would prefer almost everything to be animated, and then other friends who who have never seen anything animated in their life.

Why we why anyone prefers animation at times or live action?

Like I'm just I was trying to figure out myself, like there's certain things I'm like, oh, I like watching that animated and then the rest not, but I don't.

I, as a fairly reflective person, I couldn't figure out exactly why.

And I was curious with you guys, what when you prefer animation and when you prefer live action.

Or why?

I to be honest with you, I always prefer live action.

No, I don't actually think that.

I I think, well, I've also not thought of this before until you've just closed this question.

But as I'm thinking about it, it occurs to me that I think that I just accept what it is, like, meaning if I'm watching live action it's live action and watching animation, I don't I don't ever go, oh, I wish this was live action, because I just sort of I accept what it is and I watch it for that.

I don't know.

Does that I don't know if I'm articulating myself well here, but I've never I've never wished one was the other.

I suppose sure?

Does that?

Is that?

Yeah?

Like for example, finding Nemo, never want to see that live action?

Well, it's so perfectly that to me.

And then there are other things like Jungle Book.

I'm like, that's kind of I kind of want to see some of like be in the Jungle, you know what I mean.

But I don't know, Like I asked the question because I have zero I'm curious with what you guys think.

I'm aware of production and cost sometimes.

Where I'm like.

No, no, no, that would be far too impractical.

No, but I'm like, those are the thoughts I have.

I was like, well, thank god this is animation, because if they try to do this live action, I mean, my god, this yeah, you know, like, oh wow, I'm glad they did this live action.

Because they did this animation, I can see them, you know, I mean brain hemorhages, like how are we going to make this word?

Oh that's interesting.

I don't I think, I don't.

I don't yearn to see it differently.

I'm just thinking.

I think I just think like, oh, thank god it's this and not that, you know, or if it were that, it would be Oh man, I wonder how they'd even do that.

And then I go back to a lot of just mumbling.

Definitely by the way, I have you like sorry to you, go ahead.

Do you?

I was just I was just going to say that.

I'm also kind of I don't know if anyone else listening is the same, but I'm also like precious about things I really love.

And it's also probably especially from like things from my childhood, so like you know that nineteen when did the Jungle Book that animated the Jungle Book come out?

Like in the sixties maybe sixties or seventies before I was alive, but I grew up watching that jungle Book, so you know, when there was a new like a live action jungle Book, I was like, I don't know.

That jungle Book is so good, it's so perfect, and like similarly Aladdin, one of my favorite animated things of all time, I was, I was reluctant to accept there be you know.

So I guess it's also just me being precious about things that I really love and really care about and not wanting to see that either.

You know, I just.

Not wanting to see anyone screw up.

I guess now that thing, and John, I want to hear your answer in Jc's I'm thinking.

I'm thinking why I like sort of things like if it is political, or if it is if it is mirroring our world in a way that I think it's a beautiful message.

I don't mind it.

I like it existing in a fantasy world or animation like Lord of the Rings or Stars.

Something that's mirroring our world.

But the message isn't too familiar is it coming through familiar things like an actor we know or you know what I mean, a face that feels too real exactly like animated.

Also, like some comedies like The Simpsons, the absurdity can be there in a joke because it is there.

But then if it's marriage story, for example, I want it to be these people that I can really connect with that I'm like, oh my god, I feel that just the way they look off right now.

I feel that so much.

So whereas I don't like, I guess in big ideas, I do enjoy it in animation whatnot, and then some small or more human ideas.

Maybe I don't know, that's just a thought.

But John, what do you think?

Yeah, that's because you know, between the three of you kind of I don't know if there's not one, you know, lateral answer obviously or maybe Jac.

If anyone does has the answer, it's probably JC.

But I think you all kind of answer the question.

So I've talked to many directors in my time and animated, live action and Vanessa to your point, when you come to live action, there's so many restrictions, like there's so many people telling you no, you can't do this or you can't say this.

If you watch like a Miyazaki movie or Mamudo Hozada who did Wolf Children, there are certain messages you can have in those films you can't have in live action, and you tell it through the metaphor like buoying the hair on or Ponio or you know, or a princess Mononoke.

You do think the metaphor of these like mythological creatures.

And I think that's to your point, Taylor, when you have those sort of messaging, so it's not beating people over the head with it, I feel like animation kind of almost softens the blow but doesn't soften the impact of the message.

So I feel like you just have more creative freedom as a storyteller.

I think a lot of times with animation, I mean, I'll I'll die in this hill.

That to me, the best Batman movie ever is Batman Mask of the Phantasm, all the animated series, when Bruce Timpauldini did Batman and when the grelat great Kevin Conwar, who I think is the best Batman Bruce Wayne to ever do it.

And Vanessa Yorke's closely with I know you worked with Kevin over the years.

The stories they told in animated series, those are the stories I wish they would tell in live action, you know, but they overcomplicated on the live action side, or even when you did Injustice Vanessa, like that story of Injustice Too was the best Justice League story I've ever seen.

So yeah, I think it's just there are certain things with animation.

I think this is why a lot of people consider Star Wars er brals peak Star Wars is.

I feel like there are certain things they could do with the storytelling there that may have been too many restrictions, or they gotta follow Cannon, they gotta follow this with the live action.

I feel like that's for animation really shines.

But then a movie like Past Lives from Selene's Song, I don't know if that would work as an animated movie.

You know that that works because you have these human stories.

So it's and back to your point, T, I think you're just a very present viewer of this is what it is.

And am I interested by these characters?

Am I interested by the story?

And if it happens to me in this form, cool?

And if I'm not interested, then it just happens that it was an animated series.

Right, Yeah, that's the healthiest I'm like trying to change in Oh no, I want this, I want that.

That's that's a healthy philosophy, it is what it is.

It is what it is.

By the way, that's one of my least favorite sayings.

It is what it is.

Yeah, there more than it is what it is.

But in this case, it is what it is.

And I either yeah, maybe I either like it or I don't.

But I guess I've never It's never occurred to me to wish it was in a different format, you know what I mean.

I do sometimes see like a live action version of an animated thing that I care deeply about, and what do you think about that?

And I decided, no, in fact, it should not have been made live action.

They should have just stuck with, you know, what worked and what was beautiful and perfect.

And but you know, Hollywood loves a remake, loves to recycle, you know, so I doctor, that's a whole nother conversation.

But but I.

Think it's a you know, it's just a evidence of a curious mind, Taylor, that you are actively thinking, like, oh, this, this would be cool if it was animated.

Yeah, it's not the best because you're looking at people.

You're like, that'd be cool if there's just nice.

But yeah, if this was better, I would like it.

But it is what it is, So there I go, there, go ahead.

I just had one more thought on the like Canaan not fully embracing when once we saved him or you guys did uh, they salute him and he just nods like that's more than the last episode.

But that's all he could do with them, salute them as well.

But also, I.

Don't know if you had this experience watching this this time.

You know we're doing a rewatch, but I don't remember having such a repertoire with Chopper, like well, that's not going to be any slower than you normally do, or I loved it, it was so but what's weird is like I'm like, oh, that's so awesome that she's like, get on it.

I don't remember any of that.

Maybe because maybe because you weren't actively having a dialogue, maybe maybe it's easier to remember our scenes because we were doing them opposite each other.

We were interacting, acting, interacting, whereas those lines you just delivered to the void, you know, and there was no actual dialogue.

That's very true, because I remember interactions and I remember feeling it awesome one and I really don't remember the things that were just one awful lines.

I was amazed, like, I thought it was really funny.

Was really yeah.

I was delighted by the interaction.

And You're kind of just like grumble grumble, and he's like, you know, it's when he groaned off.

He was like, I guess because I didn't know what he was doing.

I was just sort of acting into a void.

That's probably you're right.

Yeah, well, the other thing, on a different topic, I need to get into the inquisitor, but we don't quite yet.

But so go ahead and say anything.

And also, John, you were about to say something else, so I don't forget.

Oh yeah, we can't forget about fifth Brother.

Oh my god.

You know.

But you know, Hara has a really cool arc too, even though it's a very light hair episode.

First of all, there's two hang ons.

She says, hang on, hang on.

So we wrought the three right, wrapt the three so far in season two of the Hara hang Ons.

But it's a slow drinking game.

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But it's all right there.

It's a light hair episode, but I feel like there's an important lesson there too, because sometimes the hardest thing as a leader is not being able to do anything at all, or you had the power down and wait and sometimes the path at least resistance, whatever you want to call it, is going to be the best path.

And that's the case for Hara in this episode, which I don't know how many people have talked about it.

I've listened to like a handful of Star Wars podcast.

I think it's easier to focus on the action because the action is amazing in this episode, but how hard it must have been for Hara to not be able to do anything, you know, but and you know, and keep her sanity because you know it could as she could have been impulsive and just flown down there in the ghost and then try to save the day, but she knew that No, at this moment, I have to stay still, And just by my time, I thought that was really cool.

Yeah, she's good at that.

I think we can all learn from that.

Sometimes we all need to power down and wait, yes and.

Try and and like trust trust, just like she she's forced, not forced but she's sort of put in a position that she's forced to trust that we are all going to do what we do, that she knows that we're capable of.

And sometimes you just gotta like.

Let go and whatever is going to happen is going to happen, and just you know, trust your instincts and trust your these you know, like your your comrades instincts, and and I'm sure that's I mean, I'm saying that, and I'm not really able to do that.

I am not nearly as chill as what I'm describing, but but it's it's a good reminder that is a healthy thing to do.

It was Hararah like Jordan.

When Jordan finally trusted the triangle offense, It's like, oh, John Packson can hit the three pointer, I can pass on the ball, I can pass.

Not that Harah was of the mindset of I have to do everything myself, but it was her just like trusting that they're going to be okay.

Let me make sure this is okay here.

And it's back to what she told Cain in the last episode.

We can't help others unless we help ourselves.

So if her and Shopper don't fix the ghosts.

What good is she going to be when they're successful down in Cels and getting out of that messterin So I just think, again, it's a very light episode, but all the layering of the characters is just so prevalent there.

And another thing I want to bring up.

We talked about the music last week, like it sounded like Jaws, but when they defeat the ad At Walkers, it sounds like et It felt like another John Williams callback, and I'm knowing JC he may have a specific, like, you know, some more specificity to that, but I got et vized, especially when the one Imperial Troopers left behindind of like, oh my god.

That when he's like running and he looks that was so.

Comedic and funny, like a little just reprieve from the you know, action packed episode.

And Indiana Jones.

I don't may I think it was a direct now to Indiana Jones.

But the part where they're being shot at by the tie Fighter and Greg was like, it's been a while since we've been shot at and then he's like what happens to us every day?

There's this part in Last Crusade where you know, Seaunkar's like they're trying to kill us Junior.

He's like, oh, I know, Dad, He's like, what should never happened to me?

He's like, yeah, it happens to me all the time, you know.

So I felt like there was a nice indie nod through Sabine, which I thought was really cool.

So I like it.

Now, fifth Let should we talk about fifth brother before we get into some fact checking with JC, because we got to talk about fifth Brothers.

I mean, I can't help thinkquizards are the Mormon fifth Brothers, seventh Sister, all these names.

They tricked me out of it.

They all want the b Yu, they all want to him young.

I love it.

It's a big, big family that is killing people.

You guys.

I am so sorry that I didn't do my homework, but I wrote down who voices this inquisitor?

And I didn't look it up myself.

Who voices this inquisitor?

Oh?

I just had it up to he has three names.

It's on the tip of my braind Michael Murray, Lucas Scott Is Thomas.

That would be amazing, actually release the JTT cut of the Fifth Brother.

I should probably have looked this up myself.

I thought you guys were gonna JC.

I'm just kidding.

I remember who played him in live action?

Oh so Philip, Well, Philip Anthony Rodriguez has quite a imposing voice, like like, what a great what a great voice?

And also do you for JC?

Maybe is that his accent or is he doing an accent?

All right, I'm just asking.

I'm just Philip real quack.

Someone get Phillip on the phone, because if it's not his real well, either way, it's a great it's a great accent.

But I was curious if that's his actual Uh, if that's if he was creating a.

Character with J.

C'll know, I went end out, you know, Jac, I think it's He was played in live action the Kenoby series by Sun Kang from the Fast and Furious series.

You're kidding, yeah, because I remember when Sun got the role and I was like, you're playing fifth brother and he didn't.

I don't know how much he knew about what was that was going to entail, but yeah, they had him in the makeup and everything.

They made him look awesome on the show, which a very under I'd like that series.

A lot of people you know, didn't, but it is what it is.

But I I it is wait, are you talking Fast and the Furious.

Yeah, he was han and Fast and furious.

But he played fifth Brother in uh the Kenoby series.

Wait what's his name?

They made?

They made fifth Brother?

H brought me to actually brother?

What they did?

What?

What's what's the answer saying?

I just want to saying some king.

Yeah, that's good, fifth Korean brother?

With all the names?

I mean, the Grand Inquisitor is the grand Inquizer.

But then where's one through four?

We're six, six, cousin, eight daughter.

We need like a Parks and w rec type of show with like the inquisitors, like a workplace comedy, like what what's day to day life for those guys around?

We're talking about the latest job?

Do you hear what the Grand Inquisitor do?

What happened to the Grand Inquisitor?

That's funny?

Well, he's very you know, all of the inquisitors.

I feel like on rebels.

Oh here's a question.

Oh this might be a stupid question.

I'm going to ask it anyway, because you.

Know what, we're all very surprised.

Wow this okay.

Apologies to you guys who are listening.

If you're like, how.

Does she not know that?

But I thought storm inclosure.

Were there inquisitors that were called inquisitors before rebels?

That is a great question.

That is a great question.

Oh, okay, great.

I was worried that you guys were gonna be like duh and blah blah blah.

He might be like, uh, it's eighth book of this series of whatever.

I feel like Tales of the Jedi went back and did shorts about Ahsoka's childhood and on and on.

I feel like in the timeline that things had been released in the narrative, Yes, I believe.

Is it morocc There's there's a really horrible inquisitors j C.

You'll know his exact name, who really played by Clancy that you know, attacks her and it's this huge fire scene.

Another amazing animated show.

Or was that Tales of the Empire?

That might have been Tales of the Empire actually anyway, But I think in the Clone Wars, I don't remember seeing any inquisitors in.

So we introduced inquisitors rebels?

Did?

I feel like we may have unless they're in literature that I did not read.

And I'm glad Dave Field in my pitch on that, because.

I just want to say that inquisitors are bad ass, Like they're so scary in there, in each in their own scary, creepy, very you know, intimidating way.

Like they're all so rad and I'm glad if we are the one If our show introduced inquisitors to Star Wars Star Wars, I would be very pleased to know that.

So j they're very fashionable too.

Yeah, they're so cool.

It's like you ever seen the movie Dress to Kill with Nancy Ellen.

It's just the Palma movie from like the seventies.

She's dressed so cool in that movie.

Or it's like when you watch like a slasher movie and you're like, you're kind of attracted to the slasher but that you shouldn't because they're dressed so cool.

That's kind of how the inquisitors are.

Like, Yeah, it's like why are why are these inquisitors like so cool but evil?

Like why do you be able to unpack this?

John?

Actually listen to my other pock Well we get into that, So I think I think my my, I think my inquisitor fetish is a great segue to our favorite part of the show, JC.

What do we got for fact check today?

Help us your only hope?

Okay, here we go, I got a lot.

I don't have a lot of stuff, But I feel a little bit better because initially I was like, you guys had such a good, heady kind of conversation today, and I was like, I had a bunch of like schlock.

To talk about.

I'm not going to go in order here, So I apologize the conversation that you guys were having about animation versus live action.

I used to back in the day get into arguments because people would be like, we need a live action Ahsoka, or we need a live action this, and I was like, I don't think so I feel like by saying that you need this in live action, it kind of devalues the art form of animation.

Like the story is the story.

If it's a great story, we don't need a shot for shot remake Lion King of what was great in animation.

So, Tia, I'm also kind of with you on that is like I don't really watch I don't really like compare the mediums when I'm watching it.

I just kind of take it in as what it is.

But I did have I have had a lot of conversations with David Collins about this, who did a lot of the sound on like bad in Star Wars animation and is now doing live action.

Like Skeleton Crew and these types of things.

And something that he said and I tend to agree with, is that animation allows you to take risks that you would never be able to take in live action because similarly to like what Vanessa said, expense, but also I think people are more forgiving of animation.

In the next episode.

There's some slapstick kind of Looney Tunes stuff where Ezra bumps his head in episode five that we're about to talk about, which totally would not be funny, would not work in live action.

It seems cheesy, but in animation it works one hundred percent, and you kind of look forward to those moments of levity in animation that you don't in live action.

So I think, you know, animation benefits from a tolerance that people have for it that allows it to be riskier than what you would ever do in live action.

And because you're allowed to be riskier and take these risks and take bigger swings, you're able to hit a lot more home runs.

And I think Rebel succeeds in that.

I mean across well, look at Rotten Tomatoes.

Right.

I think that validates that idea.

I didn't pick up the et music.

I apparently cracks are showing in my fact check armor, but I'm sure that's it.

Philip Anthony Rodriguez.

That is not his accent in the show.

That is not his voice.

He's doing a full on character voice and everything.

Inquisitors, Grand Inquisitors, second sister.

There is no third that I could find listed anywhere.

Fourth brother, fifth brother, sixth brother, seventh sister, eighth brother.

And Vanessa Marok, which you got right, was once known as the first brother.

And I think I think he shows up as like a pilot in the live action Ahsoka show.

Yes, I think he's introduced there, and then they translated him over to I believe it's Tales of the Empire.

They brought it backwards the Jedi.

Actually, is it Tales of the Jedi?

When she's fighting him around a fire?

She goes to work at some farm and she's like bailing hay and doing her thing, and then dude walks up and like lights place on fire, and it's kind of like, wow, this is not going to end.

Well, oh my goodness, you know, Yeah, I think it's Tales of the Jedi.

Which technically would be before Rebels, but we didn't see it until long after Rebels ended.

So within the narrative, yes, they existed, but within like the introduction of them into the lure and our sense of awareness about them, we didn't know that she did all that as a child and this and that it kind of fleshed out the backstory, much like they're going to flesh out the Rebels backstrow eventually.

Right right, Yeah, And on that I do not believe, and I did in fact check myself on this.

I just used my own knowledge.

But I think inquisitors were an invention for Star Wars Rebels.

I don't think that pre lore it was like Darth Vader individually went and hunted down all the Jedi, but rebels, I think he was like he kind of had these acolytes that went and did his bidding or helped him.

Do his bidding.

Love that.

So in terms of the discussion you guys had, that's all I have.

I had a few of my own notes.

The ad ass we see are an early model ad at that so that's why they look a bit little bit different, But they are actually ad ats.

Taylor, Sorry you mentioned a haboob as a sandstorm that happens in Coachella and Palm Springs.

Correct nailed it.

There is historical precedent for a sandstorm.

In Star Wars.

There is a whole deleted scene that takes place on Tatuin after Jaba's palace and they blow up his sale barge before Luke goes to Diegoba.

There is a scene that was filmed that had never been seen, that had been talked about in the Return of the Jedi novelization, and I think perhaps you've seen a photo here or there in some of the Return of the Jedi like kids books back in nineteen eighty three, where it's Lando Chewbacca's injured and it's Lando and Luke and Lea helping and the droids helping Chewbacca back to the Millennium Falcon in the middle of a sandstorm, and the dialogue that takes place there is very similar to dialogue that takes place just after, which is you know, you know, thanks for coming after me, Kid, I owe you one like that Hunt Solo dialogue takes place during that sandstorm, and Laya also in that says, hurry, the fleet should be assembled by now, because Lukes like I got to go back to Dagoba, So all of that is more concisely done later.

But there is a sandstorm scene in Return of the Jedi.

You can watch it now on the Star Wars Blu Ray and then maybe extra on Disney Plus if you go to Return of the Jedi.

They also made action figures of all of those characters.

Hasbro did around the time that the Blu Ray came out, so Rebels really took that and kind of like made it a more exciting scene because the scene's kind of boring if you go back and watch it right now.

Callous mentions the pincer maneuver when they're in the ad Ads.

It's a naval tactic that was used in trap a target starship between attacking warships.

Wedge Antilles used it several times against Grindmemeral Thron in the Now Legends Heir to the Empire series, So that was another case of there's always a little bit of truth in Legends.

Dave Filoni's quote also on it.

In the ad at they say intensify forward fire power to.

Pummel the rebels.

That's a direct line from Return of the Jedi as well, where the captain of the Executor, not the Executor the Executor, and I can go into why it is actually the Executor not the Executor, which is the Giant Superstar Destroyer says that just before the A Wing flies through the bridge and return to the Jedi, which crashes the ship into the Death Star.

Executor was.

There's a toy of it that was coming out in the early eighties and they had done like mockups of the packaging for the Executor Superstar Destroyer, and they're like, oh my god, we can't put out a children's to way that says Executor on it.

So they changed the name of the toy to Darth Vader's starship.

Yes, now I'm gonna get ad add on the internet about how a toy is not why the name of a thing is the name of a thing.

But when the toy company here, the people who are making up the names, it very much.

Is come mad at us.

Come on, sounds very sound.

That's all I got.

It's as shorty today.

Love it.

Well.

One thing I want to point out, you said you did in fact check yourself and you just went into your brain.

Isn't that what you always do anyway?

So I just want to point that out.

You are so what you do, so therefore everything you said is all canon.

But go ahead and add Like Michael Keaton, he's like, come on at us.

Thank you as always.

We love the fact check.

Maybe you'll re listen and hear the EAT because like I thought of ET because my default is ET, but I don't know.

Maybe it's a bonus episode.

And I'd love to get David Collins on here.

I think he'd be a great guest.

Well that's easy, yeah, I mean, well, not that he has time, but ask for sure at some point.

I think I think that'd be a very fun discussion.

His point of view on everything, a certain point of view, if you will, all right, well, I think of anything, it's just time to see it.

Farewells, but also thank you as always to our listeners who keep on supporting us.

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