Hi, Ksey.

How's it going, Millie?

It's great.

We're both in costume right now, we're feeling the Halloween spirit.

I'm a skeleton and you are an Italian plumber.

Correct as you can see him in my workshop right now, Yes, yes, where, I have all my toilets and my pipes.

I've got PBC, I've got cast iron, whatever you need, and I will come and and fix things.

I will install bedeys if you need me to install.

Wow, I really could have used you.

When I moved into my house.

I was installing bidets left and right, and I had to and I broke something on one of the toilets and I had to call a plumber.

So well, I'm about as reel as it gets me and my brother.

I don't know my brother Luigi.

If you hadn't met him before, he's just as great.

He's a little older than me, a little thinner than me, but he's quite good.

Actually, have you did you ever see the nineties movie The Super Mario Brothers with John Leguizamo and Bob Hoskins.

Yeah, I feel like I watched that when it came out.

I remember virtually nothing about it.

Uh huh.

But I do remember it being a huge ordeal in my school when it came out.

So I have a fondness for that movie that was a frequent rental from Mister Movies as a child, and it's considered terrible.

It's always funny when you find out later when you're a kid like this movie you loved as a child, and then you reach adulthood and you're like, oh, everyone thinks this movie sucks.

So I love the Super Mario Brothers movie.

Maybe we'll do that on a future episode and we'll have you dress up again.

Yeah, I will say this mustache is uh huh, not very good.

Okay.

It's first of all, it's light brown, as you can say, it's light brown, and I had to cut it because it was huge.

It's not very realistic, and so I feel like they could have done better with the with the mustache.

You need to find one that's more your shade of the color of your hair.

Yes, And it's duct taped to my lip right now, which is probably not good.

I use the duct tape for my shop to put on my own mustache.

I don't know how long the mustache is going to last.

I'm going to be completely honest.

With you.

Well, we're feeling the Halloween spirit, as everyone can tell.

And Millie, you brought this up and planning this episode.

We're going to talk about Halloween songs and we're each going to say, are three favorite Halloween songs.

Yeah, I figure it's just we both like music.

Yeah, and we've already talked about costumes and candy and decorations.

You know, you got to think about Halloween JAMS's part of the tradition.

We're so us to Halloween.

It hurts, and so these are hurts.

It hurts.

And there's probably like tons of stuff playing already on the radio.

And I will say this, I don't know about you, but some of these Halloween songs that have been ushered in through the years, uh huh suck like they're not good.

Oh can you name names?

I mean, I'm gonna throw out the Monster mash.

Well, that was the one that I was thinking of too as not a good one.

But I played that for my daughter Patients and just imagine hearing that song for the first time.

She was like, this song rocks.

She was very into.

I Also, this is another thing too, we can also include because there are songs that are purely about Halloween, right, that discuss actual monsters, Halloween monsters like Dracula, Frankenstein, mummies and these kind of things.

There are songs that are kind of like played alongside Halloween songs because they have like spooky elements to it.

Yeah, and I feel like we can include those if you if you feel that's fair.

I think there are no rules in this, just something that brings that spooky feeling.

Because there are a lot of songs like the Monster Mash, like nineteen sixties garage rock songs correct that are about like falling in love with Dracula, or like hanging out with Frankenstein or.

Something, yeah, you know, or like even a song like Weird Science by Boo Boo.

It's like, yes, I'm sure they didn't intend for that to necessarily be a Halloween jam.

But yeah, you know it is now so well, I want to hear your top three top.

Three, I would say my third I'm going to go from three to one, sure, because these are in order.

Okay, My third favorite Halloween song is were Wolves of London by Warren zevonn Oh, yes, and only because of this one line.

I mean that song is kind of like it's about a were wolf.

It is a halloween enish song, but it also just played in like your dad's soda shop basement when he's with his friends.

You know, it's kind of like a boomer song on top of that big time.

But there's this line in the song that makes me laugh all the time where he's like, I've seen a werewolf having a Penia Colada at Trader Vix.

His hair was perfect, excellent.

I mean, have you ever been a Trader Vix?

I would be I would be stunned if I saw a were wolf sitting at the bar having a Penia Colada and he had perfect hair.

I've never been a Trader Vix.

It's not I love tiki drinks, so I feel like I would love it.

Is there no one in your town?

Nothing?

There's one hair in manye in the Twin Cities.

No, No, you might want to move.

I mean I'm just throwing them I want to move.

Wow?

All right?

Number two, number two, so Worlds of London number three, number two.

I think you obviously know what this would be.

It's the song Halloween by one of my favorite bands of all time, The Misfits.

Oh a feeling Jersey right now is the Plumber.

Any song by the Misfits is kind of a Halloween song, even when Eagles Dare Where Eagles Dare, which is one of my favorite Misfits songs, I feel like that puts me in kind of a spooky mood.

I know, goddamn son of a bitch is what you're suggesting.

I know, God duds on them a bit, Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, I mean they're all their songs are horror themed for the most part, so sure, and honestly, the entire Static Age album should be a Halloween album as far as I'm concerned.

But they they are one of the greatest spooky bands ever.

So that's my number two.

It would have been my number one, but my number one is amazing and you cannot be disputed.

Okay.

My number one is I put a Spell on you by screaming Jay Hawkins.

It's a great one.

It's a fun one.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean hard to dispute.

Hard to dispute if you want to dispute.

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And you will lose.

I'm just saying you will lose.

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Okay, my turn.

That was all three right, those are real And.

I had a hard time because there's so many others I could have picked.

There are so many.

So number three I'm gonna put Bela Lagosi is Dead by Bauhaus.

Love that song and it sounds spooky.

It gets me in the mood.

It's very kind of droning.

It feels like it's like a good just a spooky gothy song.

Good, good choice love, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Number two this is maybe a little bit strange, but it gets me in that fall atumnal angsty mood.

It's the song Graveyard Girl by the band M eighty three.

It's about a girl obsessed with a graveyard.

So it kind of has a like kind of a goth another gothy feel sort of, but it's kind of about an angsty teen who's like obsessed with being morbid, you know.

And I just I like that song a lot, sure, great, great.

And then number one, I Guess is gonna be This is sort of a silly song.

It's called the Egyptian Shumba by the Tammies, which is a like nineteen sixties girl group, and it's like kind of about getting like Wooed by a Mummy and it's really fun and dancy and I love that one.

I love I like that kind of like nineteen sixties garage band silly song.

There's another song kind of like that by the Sonics called the Witch.

Duh so good.

I like that one too.

Uh well, Millie, we got a show today, Yes, we do a big one.

We do.

Wow, this is going to be quite an underticking.

I think, uh huh.

Hopefully we can properly talk about it in a way that makes sense to you all.

But would you say this is the weirdest movie we've ever done.

I know that's sort of a strange disclaimer, but I would say it is.

This is one of the weirdest movies I've ever seen in my life, and is, as you will see, is an absolute shit head phase classic for me, Like, oh, right down the line on put it in my shitthead veins.

Yes, I mean this is I can't even tell you how many times I thought that I figured this movie out.

Yeah, we're talking about Tetsuo the Iron Man from nineteen eighty nine, a Japanese independent horror sci fi movie.

Yeah, I think that.

You know, we've done pretty pretty awesome horror movies this month, by the way, our last episode for our horror month, and I think we wanted to go out with a bang in the sense that we wanted to do something that was probably weird, like more weird, more experimental, foreign.

We just we just figured, let's go do something totally different than the other weeks, and this one's for us.

Yeah, and I've been wanting to see this movie again, so I was excited when you said yes, and I can't wait to talk about it.

I've never seen it before.

I didn't even like it.

That's the weirdest thing is I think, based on everything that you've communicated to me since we started this PODCAST'M like, he's gonna like this.

So yeah, Yes, indeed, Tetsuo the Iron Man for nineteen eighty nine.

And then for our segment my area of Expertise, we have the wonderful Johnnyon who we may have seen in shows like Fallout or Superstore.

He's going to be talking about his area of expertise, which is non actors acting with professional actors.

Excellent, and it's a fun combo.

I can't wait for you guys to hear that.

But we got so much going on on our final Halloween Horror episode of the month.

And yeah, all right, folks, stay tuned, more spooky things ahead.

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This is a podcast for those who are in a relationship with movies, for those who love Halloween.

On our last week of Halloween on the twenty eighth, right before Halloween.

Yeah, things have been a bit crazy in my world.

How about you?

Oh yeah, very crazy.

You know, it's a busy time.

There's so many festivities in trying to watch as many horror movies as possible, eat as much candy as possible.

But yeah, it's been cuckoo and I know, yeah, you have a lot going on in your personal life.

It's right as well, that's right.

I just bought a house For those who don't know, so things are kind of nutty.

I've never bought a house before.

And if you remember my last podcast when Danielle bought a house, it was quite an undertaking.

If you remember all of her contractors and her hedgehog, what were they hedgehogs?

Groundhogs, groundhogs, there's all sorts of rodents and creatures living and taking over her house and property.

It seemed like right, So I hope to have a little bit better of an experience than that.

But it has been.

It's like a complete and utter like I mean, it is an upheaval undertaking.

I've been rocked by this process.

It's been happening for months, by the way, and I just haven't been able to like really articulate how annoying it is.

Just a crazy pain in the ass it is.

But there's always other more stuff.

But you know, I figured, hey, why not, I'm a middle aged woman.

I should own a house alone.

They don't make it easy for that, by the way, America, they don't make it easy for single women buy homes.

Just when you My advice to you, Millie is when you've bought the house, don't get overwhelmed by the amount of stuff you need to do to take care of the house.

Because when I moved in, I was so overwhelmed by like chores.

This needs to be organized, and this needs to be put away, and this needs to be painted.

Yeah, you have your whole life, you know, to fix up the house.

It'll get done.

Yeah, thank you for saying that.

I have a huge list already and it is starting to like make my chest hurt just about your stuff.

But I have to I would wake up in the middle of the night.

Yeah, panicked.

Oh yeah, I've.

Been having stress dreams for months about like, well just the simple act of like qualifying for home a home, making sure you have the money for it, and then going in there and being like the inspection, the appraisal, you know, like backsplash tile.

I'm Casey O'Brien, I'm Millie to Jericho.

I'm sorry.

What were we doing?

Were we just talking on the phone just the podcast?

Well, well, listen, we have a great episode.

Tons and tons of things happening in our personal lives.

I've been going to a lot of Halloween events.

I'm sure you've been busy with patience, your daughter getting her ready for tell A Tubby's debut.

I'm teaching her about Halloween.

It's exciting to teach a child about Halloween, what little ghosts are and witches and pumpkins and stuff.

She's very excited.

It's fun.

Well, hopefully she gets the Halloween horror bug that her dad has.

I feel like there's no end her mother, so there's just no way she won't catch it.

Okay, you know that's good.

That's the best you can go for.

So all right, well, yeah, we've got a great episode Tetso the Iron Man from Manten eighty nine is happening, Johnny Peverton is happening.

And we also have I don't know, quite a heavy Do you have a heavy film diary this week?

Or let's open it up, Millie.

It is heavy, but this is also really hard work.

Yeah, it's heavy, it's thick.

Mine is pretty big.

No, actually it's not.

It's a couple no, but its first big as in title wise.

We'll talk about it.

So all right, I have two big jams this week.

I rewatched I don't know why I rewatched this because I've seen this movie literally I would say fifteen times, maybe seventeen times.

Wow, And that is nineteen eighties the Shining Stanley Kubrick.

I knew you were going to say that for some reason.

Well as you remember, you may not remember.

I don't know if you were on the podcast, but what I was you were when I took that Shining class.

Oh no, yeah, I don't think you were I did.

You discussed it on the show though, yes.

I had so I took when I was in grad school.

Uh.

Doctor Jennifer Barker rot Gsu taught an entire class about The Shining, the book, and the movie.

And it was crazy because you know, the whole movie is about the Shining.

There's been a lot of academic work that's been written about this movie, but that I because I was in the class.

I watched this movie over and over and over again because it was part of what I was talking about every week.

And I wrote my paper about The Shining and Twin Peaks just to let you know.

I did a little two for.

One, but yeah, you love a big hotel.

Yeah.

My paper was about God, this was so complicated.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm like, homely, Fuck, why did I write this paper?

It was about.

Modernist time traps, and it was like modernist time traps in hinterland environments in both The Shining and Twin Peaks.

Wow.

So it was basically like the conceit of the paper, which, by the way, I have no idea where this paper is, is that there's design wise or aesthetically both Twin Peaks and The Shining have moments of unnatural modernism in a rural environment.

Yeah, I see that definitely, and that is like.

Part of the horror of both things.

Yeah, it's a surreal ness that is spooky.

Yeah.

I don't know how well I articulated that, but yeah, what grade do you get on that?

I mean, I don't know one hundred and five.

They're like, we gave you five extra points because you're so smart.

But uh, yeah, we watched.

That movie, I mean, The Shining.

Well, what else am I going to say about it?

It's like a classic.

Yeah, it's a classic.

I mean I feel like that's the first A twenty four movie.

Oh shots, I heed there, Casey Obrien, what else?

Well?

And my other movie that I saw this week, finally had to do it.

I saw Ephis from twenty two.

Nothing says Halloween like it is about Halloween.

It takes around let me tell you it takes place on October sixteenth.

I didn't realize it was that late in the year.

Wow, And don't I look foolish.

There are ads that get played in between you know how they have these fake radio ads.

They're Halloween feted.

I completely forgot about that.

Yeah, it is a mass I guess don't you don't you know I am a I am a dumb ass.

Yeah, oh yeah, well wow, well what did you think?

I mean?

It is delightful, just as literally everybody has.

Told me, literally every person in your life, every guest we've had on the show.

This this this movie has been brought up like virtually every week for the past like three months or something, and I was like, I cannot be ignorant about it.

I gotta watch it.

And it was it was very like the pacing of it was great.

It was very pleasant.

It's like a pleasant film.

It's just like watching an old man baseball league play like their last game and they're just like all I mean, you're really just kind of like in the whole game, which love.

It is interesting.

The structure of the movie is a baseball game, you know.

It feels like watching a baseball game.

Yeah.

It made me like, remember what I used to play softball when I was a kid, where I played forever and ever and ever.

I even played for my high school team.

And just the like, you know, the shittiness of like the little press box that Franny sits in at towards the end and him like doing his scorekeeping and nobody show it up to the games.

The light's not coming on like all that stuff, like that's great.

Well, I'm glad you watched it.

Finally it is wonderful, So all right, I'm done.

What about you?

Okay, I watched a lot.

I proba them.

I'm not going to say everything I watched because some of these were there were some stinkers.

I watched Children of the Corn two, the Final Sacrifice.

Everyone was telling me this is better than Children of the Corn one.

I disagree.

Basically, all the children from the town of Children of the Corn one moved to a new town and guess what, they want to kill adults again, and they do.

So it was good though.

I had a fun time.

Next step, I saw a Disney Channel original movie from nineteen ninety nine called Don't Look Under the Bed.

Okay, this the premise of this this movie is basically like Imaginary Friends if they if you stop believing in your imaginary friend too early, they become boogeymen and they haunt you and like play tricks on you.

And it was actually kind of spooky.

And apparently this movie got complaints from parents that were like, this is actually too scary for a Disney original movie.

And also they have an interracial kiss at the end, which was very controversial, but they the filmmaker fought to keep it in.

And I thought this was really imaginative.

It reminded me of Little Monsters, the Howie Mandell movie with Fred Savage, which was a movie I really liked as a kid.

There's like this whole world under the bed, like where these monsters live, and I liked that.

So it was fun to It's sometimes fun to watch something meant for kids, So we had a good time.

Yeah, then I watched this.

I watched this movie kind of at the suggestion of a future guest Vera Drew Oh oh oh.

She talked about the movie the Return of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Reme Roschi brought that up, of course, Matthew McConaughey, Renee Zellweger before they're famous.

It is an interesting watch.

It is kind of bizarre.

It feels very nineties.

It feels very kind of like indie nineties like it kind of it sort of felt like a Kevin Smith movie in a way, and like the dialogue's clever and I enjoyed it.

There's some really bizarre twists in it, Like I'm spoiler alert for this movie that came out in nineteen ninety five, but it sort of hinted at that the Illuminati are using Leatherface and his family to kill people to keep balance to the universe.

It's very strange.

So anyways, I enjoyed that.

And that's that's my diary, my film diary.

Man.

Incredible work this.

Week, Thank you, Thank you.

A lot of horror sequels, A lot of horror sequels.

I like you forget to watch the sequels sometimes, and I like to sprinkle them in because they're just a lot of times the sequels are better than the original one, or they're at least more outrageous.

You know, one of my favorite horror sequels is The Exorcist three.

Have you ever seen that?

I've never seen the second one?

What George C.

Scott?

Fuck?

I mean?

People like that one?

Oh, it's so bizarre.

It kind of reminds me of.

It kind of.

Reminds me of an episode of like a crime procedural show that is in syndication and plays on like a channel like Ion, like the Ion Network.

It's it reminds me of something like that, and I don't really know why, but that's funny.

Yeah, it's but it's fantastic, and I mean it's like, yeah, I feel like you're missing out a lot if you don't go down the road.

I mean, sometimes the sequels can be really really bad, but sometimes when they hit, they hit.

Yeah, absolutely, And I just feel it's fun with those sequels because it feels like people aren't paying attention as much or something like the filmmakers are able to really get away with doing whatever they want sometimes.

Yeah.

So anyways, let's close it up, Millie.

Bye bye Film Diary.

Okay.

Fact, so this week, as we've talked about, we are doing a movie called Tetso the Iron Man from nineteen eighty nine, and this was written and directed by a experimental filmmaker, I would say, right, an already already experimental filmaker.

Yeah, I would certainly say this is experimental.

But it was written and directed by Shinya Sukomoto.

And you know, his origin story is really interesting because he basically was like making films at home, doing a lot of shorts, experimental films, like you know, he was kind of like what we were all doing when we were in college, which is just fucking around and doing weird shit, and you know, he had like a little gang of people that he used to collaborate with.

But for some reason, this movie became pretty popular outside of Japan and Sensation.

It was a Sensation and by the time I realized what it was, it had been out for like over ten years, and it just became this like kind of essential strange Asian cult film that everybody had to watch.

And if we're gonna do some cataloging for this film, yes, right, we've got.

It's obviously a horror movie.

It's a science fiction movie, cyberpunk, wouldn't you say experimental?

More about cyberpunk in just a moment, I'm sure themes of the film, if you're curious, transhumanism, industrialization, body, horror.

Yeah.

Are there any standout actors or famous quotes?

I would say probably not, And we'll get to maybe why that is later.

Yep, because at one point a lot of the collaborators on this film kind of dropped out.

Yeah.

I think it was like basically the filmmaker and the actor at some point, we're just kind of like blowing around a junkyard shooting stuff.

Yeah, and when we get into a little bit more of the of the beat by bait.

Well, maybe understand why people were quitting because there is quite a bit of of a costuming of makeup work share.

I mean, it doesn't seem like necessarily pleasant physically to making this movie.

No, absolutely not.

And I would feel bad as a filmmaker to ask people to put on that much shit.

But that's just me.

That's what I was thinking too, because I'm like, God, I just don't have the like, the energy and the you really have to have a drive to be like, Okay, let's take all the time to build all this like metal costumes and put it all over these people, and they're going to be miserable, and but you know, we'll get the shot.

You know.

I don't know if I have that within me, I don't think I could have made this movie right.

Anyways.

We can get more into that as we go, beat by beat.

I mean, and honestly, like people that you collaborate with, not everybody's going to be divine.

Not everyone's going to eat dog shit for you, you know what I mean, So let's just throw that out there.

But of course divine was in Pink Flamingos by John Waters and divine eight poop that came out of a dog's But.

Yeah, well okay, so I want to know, like, when you watch this film, this is the first time watch for you, Yeah, how did it make you feel personally?

What's your personal connection?

This made me feel like a child.

I was giddy with excitement.

I love cyberpunk.

I love the writings of William Gibson, who kind of invented cyberpunk.

He wrote Neuromancer, and he wrote the scripts for Johnny Knaemonic and other cyberpunk things, and like the Matrix is kind of based on his work.

But I love dystopian futures.

I love body modification, transhumanism.

Bruce the writer Bruce Sterling called cyberpunk kind of like low life high tech, which I kind of liked that genre of like kind of trashy the criminal people, but there's like high tech stuff going on.

Uh.

And I love movies about this sort of stuff.

I like the movie Titon, I like RoboCop, I like Johnny Namonic, like I mentioned, where people are like kind of turning into machines.

But I want to stress I don't like it the other way around, like with the movie by Centennial Man, where it's a machine becoming a human.

No, that's a drag.

Nobody cares if a robot wants to be human, like but you know, yeah, I feel but the feel good crowd would I mean you know what I mean, like yeah, like, oh, a robot wants to become like falls in love with a person and now wants to be Yeah, like no, thanks, I want to see a human be destroyed by technology.

Yes, I also like this isn't necessary.

Like I like the Fly, which I think you mentioned in your notes.

I like, was it District nine?

That's also like a guy transforming into like a bug.

Anyways, I love that stuff.

So this one was like right in my wheelhouse.

Sure I was psyched to watch it.

Yes, well for me, I mean obviously I picked it this week.

I wanted to watch it again.

And as I said in the intro, this was literally like classic shitthead phase movie for me.

The person who introduced it to me was my roommate in college, Blake Myers.

He was the king of horror movies when we were in the film program together at GSU.

He actually went on to become I mean, he was on The Walking Dead for many years.

He was like the blood guy on The Walking Dead.

Whoa, yeah, we need a blood guy on this podcast.

I know he will be our blood guy by the way.

He loves to make blood.

And when we used to make little shitty films together in his house which became my house, we lived in the same house, which that's a whole other story.

By the way, that was a legendary house that we lived in, also horrific, and he used to have these Halloween parties there every year, and it was so scary that people couldn't believe that we actually lived there.

It was condemned.

It was actually condemned, but his mom's friend, who ran a auto shop next door, said that he could have it for one hundred dollars a month, and I lived there for almost a year.

Anyway, would you say that was when you were at your shitthead powers were at their peak.

One hundred and ninety nine percent.

Yes, I was like a fucking shithead from the ninth level of hell.

Like I was watching Troma movies.

I was watching like I was super into like well, I obviously had been into nine inch nails since since high school, but I was sort of like in a like kind of like I'd wear all black.

I was really into.

I'd go to like goth and industrial nights here in Atlanta.

You know, all the people that I knew were like film school weirdos, like just a bunch of maniacs.

And we were obsessed with Russ Meyer, John Waters, you know, Herschel, Gordon Lewis.

You know, we were obsessed with the Misfits and punk rock and we were all just like in the Swirl and you.

Know, I was in.

We were all like trying to look for weird Asian movies, you know, just like weird violent shit and real weird sexual things.

And so yeah, when Blake was like, you haven't seen Tetsu with the Iron Man Millie, like what are you doing?

Of course I was like, uh, I mean yeah, I mean yeah, I should watch it.

Huh.

So we watched it, and it's easy to watch.

It's an hour long.

That's one of the benefits.

It's easy to watch in the sense of time.

That's probably the only part though, And uh, I was like convinced that this was this movie what It was so deep and esoteric and had all this messaging about who knows what and who whatever.

I conjured up and was like I want to live in trash and like make art with trash.

And I remember our house at the time was very tetso the Iron Man influenced because there was a wall of broken TVs and Commodore sixty four monitors in the living room for some fuck that reason.

Yeah, I mean it was very like everybody living in the house was like a weird art person.

So it was like very highly influenced by this film.

But anyway, that's my personal connection to this movie, and that's why.

I love it.

Let's talk about it absolutely, well, maybe you shoul let's let's get into the damn thing.

I just want to say it totally.

You know, we're talking about all these kind of like you might think this is like a seria.

We're talking art house, we're talking cyberpunk.

You might think this is kind of like a serious movie.

Well, this is a goofy ass movie.

I mean it's like funny.

Yeah, I would say it's and it's supposed to be funny.

Yeah, it's real over the top and yeah, it's like zany.

When we get into this.

I mean, like I said, it is online.

You can watch it online in many different places.

It is an easy watch.

I think it's like an hour and six minutes or something like that, change black and white.

It will remind you a lot of sort of indie films from the late eighties early nineties in that way.

But it really is just kind of hard describe.

So I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna try to go beat by beat, but it's it's gonna be a little weird.

So just strap watching it the first time this week, I was there were times where I'm like, I do not know what's going on.

Yes, because the style is very experimental.

It uses like it switches sometimes from like live action to like stop motion animation.

It's visually just really chaotic.

It sort of doesn't really have it doesn't really like give you a lot of plot.

You're just kind of thrown into things.

But I'll attempt to give you the you know, main beats, right, uh huh.

So at the beginning of the film, it's basically like you're just like brought into this like crazy workshop slash I don't know, like it just looks like a pit of trash and gear and electronics, and you're immediately like brought into this guy's life who starts he's like driving like a metal pipe into his leg, and.

It gets to doing themselves surgery on his leg.

Yeah, and he's inserting a metal pipe into it.

Yeah, it gets juicy real quick.

Just wanted to point that out.

It sort of seems like it keeps cut.

It cuts to like a lot of pictures of marathon runners or Olympians, and so you get the sense that maybe he's trying to become like a bionic type person by cutting open his leg and installing a metal rod in there, but you also aren't entirely sure.

And of course he's like hurting as he's doing this, screaming uh huh.

Sometimes there's a cutaway and it you come back to it, there's like maggots and stuff.

So it's like you don't know if he's in a dream state.

You don't know what's actually happening, but you just say this chaos almost immediately, and then he kind of like runs out of his little shit shack and gets hit by a car yep, which is unfortunate, and so that kind of sets up one thing one part of the movie, like maybe a character.

We don't even know these people's names, by the way, there are no names.

Then it cuts to this other guy who would be best described as it like a Japanese salary man, like a businessman.

He's like clean cut, has like kind of buddy hollyglasses, and he's wearing a suit and he's at home and he's shave in his face with an electric razor and then he notices put struding out of his cheek, this like little device.

It almost looks like it looked to me like a cactus needle or something.

It just was.

It's like a metal thorn coming out of his head.

Yeah, it's kind of like Innerspace with Dennis Quaid and Martin Short.

Feels like a little like a tiny little receiver that can go into your skin.

But he like fucks with it and then it pops open all his blood.

It's very disgusting, by the way.

It's nasty.

But then this salary man like ends up like I guess he's going to work.

He like goes about his day and he goes into the subway and he's like sweating, very sweaty movie by the way.

And a lot of breath you hear a lot of like, yeah, like the whole movie a lot of breath stuff.

Yeah.

The sound is also layered with all these other sounds like it's kind of again it's disorienting, I think on purpose.

But he basically like sits in the subway and meets like sitting next to this kind of I don't know equally as sort of like nerdy, kind of younger Japanese woman, and then she sort of turns into a little bit of like a half metal monster.

Yeah, this was good, this part I was.

This is where I first was really confused because there's like some sort of metal creature that kind of is nearby, and she tries to pet it, and then it latches onto her hand and she starts to turn into a half robot half person.

Yeah.

I couldn't tell, like how if it was, because I wasn't sure if it was setting up this scenario of like if you touch something, you become it consumes you type of feeling.

Yeah, but it happened really fast.

And then all of a sudden she kind of is like a like a half metal goop half human hybrid and then starts chasing the businessman this guy.

Yeah, yes, and then so and at the time that it was happening, as it was rolling out, I was actually like, this would be kind of a cute couple's Halloween costume.

I think so too, because they haven't gotten quite gross yet, Like her hand has transformed, but she's in kind of cute like secretary like business outfit and he's in his like suit and buddy hollyglasses.

It would be pretty easy.

Yeah, get him early so you don't have to put on all the crap that he eventually puts on.

But that would be kind of cute, like fifties little Japanese business people with like weird disgust.

Yeah.

I feel like that would like absolutely like crush at a very specific film.

Art house costume party.

Yeah, I mean for my own satisfaction and to like let all the people that know what I know think I have good taste.

Yeah, that'd be fucking fantastic.

I'd be like, that would be good.

The man that lady and her boyfriend dressed like the beginning of Tetsu the Iron Man, and they're like legends.

I'm trying to think of what this party is that it would get recognized like that, But it's out there.

I think it's at your house.

Let's just get serious.

It's at my house and it's just me.

Mellie.

Do you have a favorite self surgery scene in movies.

Yeah, let me think about this.

I mean, I kind of like the No Country for Old Men thing with Yeah, it's a good one, I think.

I mean honest, I think my favorite is, like, I don't know if this is this is technically not surgery.

But when in Terminator Too Artold is like cuts his arm open, He's like, let me show you I'm a robot.

Guys like you don't believe me.

That felt really intense when I was in middle school.

Is it in Terminator one or two where he pulls the big thing out of his nose?

I think that's really that's one?

Yeah?

What about you?

Oh?

I would say the ones that come to mind are Prometheus with Numi Rapace where she has to get this alien cut out of her stomach.

That was pretty crazy, and cast Away when he pops the tooth out of his head.

Those are the only two I can really think of.

Should I see Castaway?

You've never seen it?

What do you think?

I don't know.

Yeah, that one might have missed you.

You're too busy, too busy in these Tetsuo the Iron Man streets?

Do you need to see cast That would be a good one to.

Watch, Like with your dad.

Oh, that's a good dad movie.

It is good.

I like Castaway.

I don't think my dad would want to see Castaway.

He likes comedies.

It's good.

I mean it's entertaining.

Is fred Armison and Castaway?

Maybe my dad would see it?

Does he like fred Armison?

Oh?

He loves because he does a lot of accent work he does.

My dad loves.

No.

I don't know.

I think I think it might be too late for you.

I think Castaway just might not be a.

Part of your life.

And that's okay, that's fine.

So then we move on to this like kind of middle sequence of this hour and six minute fucked up little gem, which is.

That that that's that fight scene though, where the woman is attacking him.

That's a lot, that's long.

Yes, that's a good chunk here, that's a good But then he kind.

Of moves into this new scene, right, which is basically like, yeah, so the businessman is sort of slowly changing, like he looks he's looking more and more gnarly with his like and how would you describe what this stuff is that is consuming his body because it looks just like fucking rubber hoses and pipes and metal trash.

It's like trash.

Yeah, it's like really gross because it's not just like he's turning into a robot.

It's not as simple as that.

It's like he's turning into like part octopus, part TV.

I don't know.

It's like a mix between it because it's very gooey and squishy but also metallic.

I don't know.

Just imagine like like a nine inch Nails video with just like shit hanging down from the ceiling.

It's like rubber hoses mix with like the inside of VHS tapes, mixed with like black goo, mixed with metal pipes.

It was just like it just looks like space trash.

Like I don't even know how else to describe it.

It will make you feel gross.

I'm glad it's in black and white, yes, because it makes it feel less gross.

Watching it, it feels a little elevated.

It's in black and white, elevating.

So this salary man guy is getting real crunk, right, His body is changing.

He's sort of like has been having these like sexual visions of him and this woman who we find out as sort of his girlfriend, and they're in his apartment and they're having sex at one point and then he starts kind of rapidly changing to the point where and this, I have to say, is my favorite part of the film.

I did it's mine too.

Yeah, I think it's hard to resist.

But they're having sex.

They're pretty much in human form at this point.

But then after they're done, I guess he cooks here some noodles.

They start they sit down to eat a little bit, and then like slowly, his body starts changing and his did turns into a giant drill.

And this is fun for me to see.

This was cinema, Yes, so big.

It drills through the table.

He gets this like drill boner and it like comes through the coffee table.

I mean it was amazing.

I mean quite frankly, if I had one of those, I'd be going up to anything that's wooden and just drilling holes and everything.

I'd be so fun.

This is a conical drill too.

It would be like at the front of a boring machine.

You know.

This isn't like a you know, a hand drill.

It's like, I don't know what they use at.

The bottom of the ocean to you know, plow plow into the earth.

But it's it's like doctor Robotnik from Sonic the Hedgehog.

I feel like has a drill like this anyway.

Yes, it's very intense, and here's the here's the thing though.

The girlfriend is kind of like cool with it.

I think she's kind of down to clown at first.

She's tan like.

What that thing do?

Yeah, you know, and he's you know, he's doing the whole thing of course, where he's like, oh, don't look at me, I'm a monster, Like no, get away from me, and she's kind of like no, and she says to him multiple times, listen, I don't scare easily.

And I I started thinking about this and I'm like, you know what, not to toot my own horn.

But I'm actually the kind of girlfriend too, I don't really scare that easily.

Not gonna lie.

That's good.

So you would be the girlfriend in a horror movie.

I feel like this is a common thing, you know, like where the girlfriend sticks by her man who is transforming into some monster.

Yeah.

I would, in fact, and maybe that is something that people really don't clock about me.

But you know, you're not in a relationship with me.

You don't know what goes on.

Yeah, I'm pretty I'm pretty down like I'm pretty like, you know what, like, nobody's perfect if you have a drill dick.

I'm not saying that we have to use it, but I'm not going to run away that you have it, that it's present, that it just destroyed our dining room table.

Yeah, I liked that for him though.

It was at the moment, at that tiny moment, I was like, oh, well, it seems like she's cool, so like, don't worry, maybe she'll love you even if you turn into like a heaping pile of metal trash.

But then, as it turns out, it gets more complicated, and I think she tries on the drill dick for size and then dies.

Basically, you live by the drill, you die by the drill.

That's it's kind of what happens.

And you know what, Like, I'm glad she took it for a spin, even though it had tragic consequences.

But took it for a spin.

I don't know, yeah, yeah, but I mean, to be honest, with the drill dick is real fun, Like it's a fun part of the movie.

I don't know what you thought when you first saw it.

I mean, this whole sequence when we were talking about The Fly.

This is what really reminds me of The Fly, Yeah, is when somebody is like physically changing in front of their partner, they're just kind of like.

Huh okay, yeah.

But I don't know if Geena Davis was as down as the girlfriend in this.

Geena Davis seemed like she was kind of like, whoa, you're really climbing up that wall.

Well, Gena Davis wasn't quite the industrial girlfriend that this this guy had.

She seemed like she was kind of up for a lot.

So you put a note in here about the music.

Yes, a lot of industrial music.

Yeah.

I actually don't know who did the music.

I don't know if you if you know.

But I don't.

I think it's a It was a friend of his that had never done a score before, but was a musician.

Okay.

Well, and like here's the thing about this movie, this and this is I think why it appeals to, you know, like, I think it appeals to a certain type of person, which is that shit hits, just shitheads, and primarily like maybe the hell Raiser kids that we were talking about from last week, right, the goth kids, the industrial kids.

Like the music is definitely like clang Klang klang right.

Like the trolley, It's going fun clang clang.

If you're really into like kroud rock or any kind of experimental music, this is your jam.

And I feel like, visually to be real, like it almost felt like this movie felt like an industrial film, Like it felt like a nine and Schnapes video.

It felt like a Front two or two video or like something like that.

And you think about the year nineteen eighty nine, this music was really popular, Like industrial music was really popular in the late eighties and early nineties, So it's like, to me, it felt like kind of part and party of that whole like musical scene.

Almost yeah, you know, totally.

It's a bit like Dirfan meets Hellraiser meets cyberpunk.

So yeah, yeah, I kept.

I love the band Big Black Steve Albini's Big Black Course, which is an industrial band and a lot of like drum machine and like get clanging guitars, and.

I love it.

Did you ever I saw Sillac?

Did you ever see Sillac?

When they played Never Man?

What a great show?

Probably like top five for me.

Wow, it was fantastic.

I haven't listened to that much Shellac.

I've only listened to big black thousand hurts EP, gotta get it, gotta get it.

It's fantastic to get in there.

Rip Steve Na, I know a real one, all right, So speaking of real ones, okay, pretty much the third act, the final act, if you want to call these acts, right, because it's kind of hard to paste this out a little bit, but the last third of the movie is that you know, the girlfriend's dead, the baths up, then all of a sudden, everything around him starts turning into things.

Like one of my other favorite parts of the movie is that that little kitty starts churning into like a little metal goblin, and I just kept thinking, how the hell did he get a cat to like strap on a bunch of fucking pipes and shit?

That's dedication.

Yeah, filmmaking, man, whatever it takes.

I mean, I've have you ever tried to like force your your pets to wear Halloween costumes?

For example?

Like, well, I used to have a dog, Dolly, who we loved.

We lost her last.

November, and yes, we tried to get her to wear all sorts of funny costumes, none costumes, witch costumes, and Dolly was what you'd call a bitter and she would bite us and she was a shitsu and but we still tried because it was funny.

We also, Tricia and I wrote a web series together that I directed called Lucy Follows Her Dreams.

You can still watch it.

Dolly acts in that movie, and that was a pain in the ass too, because we had a few scenes with her as an important character in that and it was it was challenging.

Yeah, my dog Sophie, who was fifteen years old as of last week, hanging in there, but grumpy as fuck.

She was never good with Halloween costumes either, Like I tried at one point to like dress her like a t Rex and she just fucking thrashed it off.

She hated it.

So I'm really impressed that this director got that cat to like, you know, wear all that crap.

But hopefully no animals were harmed.

I'll throw that out there, yes, but or people that are people, right, Yeah, Because here's the thing is that this last half gets really crazy with the goo with the goo goopy oopy and this like sort of I don't know, just the most intense in terms of visuals and sort of the back and forth between like what is real and what is not real?

Like in terms of the structure of the film, because it's like the girlfriend sort of turns into this other person, who, as we find out, is the guy from the beginning of the movie and you know who got hit by a call him with their car and had the pipe as leg And I guess.

Did we say that this guy, the salary the businessman is the guy who hit the first guy with his car, because it isn't quite revealed until late.

Till later, so like they're connected and I guess, yeah, the first guy, the pipe of the like guy was having sort of like some kind of like connection, like mental connection to this guy, and obviously they're connected through this accident.

And then he sort of just like shows up and he's like he's just kind of saying like, hey, uh, your future is metal, like join me, and uh.

They kind of form a weird like metal goopy vultron, don't they towards the end, And that's kind of how it ends.

I would say it's kind of, I don't know, sort of a homo erotic there's some homo erotic imagery.

We didn't mention this, but the businessman has a fantasy slash dream that he's getting penetrated by like a metallic pipe.

So yeah, there's a little.

Bit of that.

He's having a lot of different sexual dreams by the way.

Yeah, and uh yeah, I think you're right.

I think there is some kind of home erotic undertones.

Hey, the guy's real horny, which I feel like stands in line with a lot of Japanese businessmen, I would say.

But yeah, and it kind of just like again, like it is, it kind of just ends and it is a huge spectacle and you do sit there and say, what did I just watch?

Yeah?

You know.

My theory about plot wise why these things happened was basically the guy at the beginning was trying to make his body metal and him getting hit by a car was kind of the lightning strike, like the Frankenstein lightning strike that made him combine with metal and it is infectious, so it infected the businessman.

They're like connected through car and metal and violence, and so they kind of create this syndrome, that metal syndrome, and that's what takes over them.

So that's that was sort of how I logically came to it, But there isn't really a clear explanation of why it happened.

Well, okay, so a couple of things I would like to say, probably in closing for Jetso the Iron Man, perhaps you're right that this movie is short, but also packson a lot in that short period of time, to the point where it probably shouldn't have gone on any longer anyway, and it definitely had to be a black tedious I would say, it's really kind of an assault of the senses at all levels.

The thing is interesting to me though, and I'm trying not to like be to you know, film scholar about this or whatever, but like it kind of had this feel.

There's this feeling when you watch it about just I don't know, consumption, right, the idea that our whole lives at this point are consumed by technology, but also just shit, we're all just like iced out in stuff right that again will eventually probably become trash on a barge or in space or you know.

But then if you think about just like the ways in which like the world is so about products and consumption and plastics and gear and things like that, I don't know, it kind of feels like this movie way is sort of like this almost kind of like complete exaggeration of something like that, where it would be basically like what would happen if your body just got taken over by all your shit?

Yeah?

I yeah, No, I think you're totally right.

And I think it's like a very good visualization, visual representation of that happening in this movie.

I often think about kind of like how the human body or like the human experience is becoming like digitized and optimized in a way, like with phones and technology and computers and stuff.

We're becoming attached to technology in a way.

We are an extension of technology, where like the human body and the human mind are like connected to the Internet at all times, and even though that's not metal, that is like machine that we're kind of integrating with.

And I feel like, so this this movie feels applicable to now.

Yeah, have you ever I'm kind of obsessed with this concept of gray goo ever thought have you ever read about this?

No?

I think you brought this up when I saw what you did.

Of course I did, because it's like one of my doomsday scenarios that I think about constantly, which is that it's basically like nanotechnology just can't stop replicating itself and then just takes over every everything on earth that is living.

Yeah, so like, for example, if you had a little machine in your cheek when you were shaving a little metal thorn, right, that that thorn would replicate itself and just take over your entire body and just consume you as a human.

And then it would consume like it would just wouldn't be able to stop replicating, and it would just take over everything on earth.

I like to think about that sometimes when I'm you know what, I had a couple too many diet cokes and I'm just laying in bed.

Sure, but we're getting real cozy curling up by the fire, of course thinking about Grey Google.

Yeah, but this this movie is kind of maybe the one of the best I think visual representations of what that might actually look like.

Yeah, totally.

It's like gross and not neat, and it does not take it's violent, and it doesn't take into consideration like human pain or human you know, feelings whatsoever.

Yeah.

I was trying to like read some you know, director interviews and quotes and stuff to see like, so, what's the deal with Tetsu or the Iron Man dude?

And I think one of my favorites that he's this is he said something to the effect of this, which is I was preoccupied with chaos, So I was trying to integrate the horror with the science fiction that I had within me.

It's good.

Are you preoccupied by chaos, Casey?

Do you think that's true of you?

Uh?

Preoccupied by chaos?

Sometimes sometimes having a child throws an element of chaos into your life that is sometimes terrifying.

Yeah, so I do say.

I would say I try my.

Best, but I am preoccupied with chaos.

I do have horror within me.

I don't know if I have science fiction within me, but I try to mitigate the chaos.

I don't like it.

I don't like kas Yeah no, but you know, I feel like there are people I know that like their natural state.

They are thriving, They are at their best in a chaotic environment.

Oh they get juiced.

Yeah.

I might have been one of those people for a long time.

That's That's what I'm like, making conscious decisions to like slow down, not take on too many projects.

You know what I'm saying.

As you get older, you just body just doesn't have the design for it, I feel.

But as a younger person, I was like, cool, i have five jobs, and I've got like all these little side hustles and side quests and stuff.

Now I'm like, no, I'm no longer preoccupied with the chaos.

I just got to be I got to just hang out with my drill deck and just be chilled.

Well, that's right, that's right.

We did it.

I think did we do it?

I mean, am I changing into a half man half metal goog guy kind of feels like it, But I think that means we did.

It all right, everybody.

It's another installment of our segment, my area of expertise.

And oh, we had a great guest today, a fellow Minnesotan.

I'm a huge fan.

You may know him from the show's Son of Zorn Superstore, most recently the show Fallout.

You can also see him in the movies older movies, but you can see them in the watch from twenty twelve, Band of Robbers from twenty fifteen.

Johnny Pemberton is here.

Thank you so much for being here, Johnny, thank you for having me.

I'm here real pleasure.

A fellow Minnesota And yes, Johnny, have you been following our beloved Minnesota Vikings this year?

I was that the game last week?

You were Yeh's at the Falcons game.

Oh that was a real.

That was a rough one.

That was a rough, rough, bad game.

That was Was that a home that was?

Yeah?

That was a home game.

Yeah.

I was in town for a couple of days and I my whole family we all went.

We won't talk about the Vikings forever, Milly, I promise, But have you the.

Most unpleasant thing for someone doesn't want to hear about, Like, it's the worst thing to talk about if you're talking about people who don't know about.

It's like you might as well talk about like the INGREDI it's on some cleaning products or something like that.

Have you seen there's this Viking documentary that came out I think it was two years ago, a series.

Okay, it's it's really good.

It's it's by this company called Secret Base.

Oh I know about them?

Okay, yeah, okay.

They do like a lot of weird, avant garde sort of sports stuff.

It's it's really interesting.

And they do this whole narrative on the Minnesota Vikings and how and they're not Vikings fans.

They just picked the Vikings because they're like, the Vikings are historically a very strange team.

They really are, like, yeah, me too.

There's like there's like a tragedy to them, but there is sort of like a weird narrative and there's been so many different crazy characters and events throughout the history of the team.

It's like, in some ways, it's like almost better that they haven't won a super Bowl.

I mean, I need to see them win a super Bowl.

But they're they're very interesting.

But yeah, you should check it out.

It's really it's really interesting.

Okay that we're not here for Vikings.

This is King Vikings, all right, school, Johnny.

I wanted to ask you, so we bring people on experts, you know, we bring people on to talk about their area of expertise.

And the area of expertise that you pitched was non actors used as actors in movies.

Yes.

Can you kind of explain exactly what that means to you?

Well, it's pretty simple.

It's when you see someone in a role who's clearly not an actor, but they're in a small role in a film and they are they're being used as an actor, but they're clearly not.

Yeah.

I think the best example of it.

Is the one as the one from Midnight Run with Charles Groden and Robert de Niro.

It's towards the end of the movie, they're at that diner and Charles Groden asked this woman working at the waitress at the the counter at the diner.

He asked her, Uh, the special is chereizon eggs?

What is cheriso and eggs?

And she explains what charizo and eggs is.

And it's just very clear that this woman works at the diner.

If she doesn't work at the diner, I mean, I guess it's possible that she is like a background actor who got a line and it is just super super nervous because she's a local hire.

That's possible to me.

But I think that that's almost the same as being a non actor, you know what I mean.

And it's the way she says it.

It's so it's a combination of this is the most honest performance with the worst performance.

There's something about that where it's like I love when you you know when you see it.

At least I know it when I see it all the time.

I constantly pick them out and I love it.

I think it was funny because I watched them.

Well, I have some more examples, but that's that's the best example.

Is that the first one you kind of like keyed into that concept or I think so when it kind of smart sparked your brain, I think so.

I'll also know that Peter Berg is famous for using a lot of non actors in his movies, especially if it if it's a historical thing.

A lot of times the director of the producers feel a need to insert someone who was involved in the instance.

Yeah, a lot of times because Peter Berger's doing a lot of military does yeah stuff or like things that were a tragedy sort of things.

So it's like, I think it's kind of therapeutic to have these people involved in the story because they're there for part of this to help tell the story of what happened.

They were there.

Yeah, the minute you said that, I was thinking, this is like quite an old movie.

But he actually won an Oscar for this role.

But I think about the actor Harold Russell that was in that movie The Best Years of Our Lives from the forties, like I guess nineteen forty six, and he was he actually lost his hands when he was in the military World War two, but that was like what his role was in the movie is that he played a soldier that was coming home from the war and he's kind of readjusting to his life and you know, at home.

But he basically played himself in the movie and was actually amazing and and won an oscar.

Wow, I've seen that.

I've never seen that before where that's like maybe that's one of the early instances of it.

Yeah, yeah, well, what do you think about, Like this is sort of an offshoot of the non actor but like when you can tell I feel like this happens a lot where you can tell it's like the author of the book the movies based on they have a line in the movie, or like I feel like it's very immediate when you can tell, like is that somebody connected to this.

They fell shoehorned in and they sort of like they're acting.

They're acting sort of stilted, but not quite like a non actor.

They have like they think that what they're doing is okay, but they feel so uncomfortable because it's just like this thing where yeah, I don't know, it's suff it's so interesting.

I can't think of an example of that.

I'm gonna lie.

I mean, this is kind of a stretch, I spose, but I think about Tarantino in his own movies.

That's a that's a classic one.

Yeah, totally.

I think I was watching Rewatch Nebraska on the plane, probably like a week and a half ago, and that movie I think that why can I think of his name?

Right now?

I'm having I have name issues in the last couple of years, Like I think my brain has filled up with names, Like I can remember every one in my third grade class, Yeah, but I can't remember like my literally one of my favorite directors who is alive right now is Alexander Alexander Payne.

Right.

That's been happening to me so much, and I host a movie podcast now and it's becoming like an issue for my livelihood.

It's like it really does like bother me.

I think it's just like that the brain.

It's like, you know, it's unfortunate, but it's just it's just the nature of age.

But Alexander Payne in Nebraska, there's definitely I might I didn't research this, but there's got to be some non actors in Nebraska.

Well, I'm from Minnesota, obviously, and I have some relatives in Nebraska, and I happened to know that one of my relatives doctors, is in that movie.

Are you serious?

Yeah?

I can can confirm that there's a non actor.

What part?

What part is it?

I can't There's a scene where they go to the doctor and they're like stitching up Bruce during at the got like stitches or something.

He's like one of the doctors or one of the nurses helping.

Hilarious.

So yes, there are Yeah, it definitely and it definitely has that vibe.

Yeah, it really makes the movie so much better.

Like that movie.

I watched it when it first came out, and I liked it a lot, But watching it again, I like love it so much.

I can't believe how much I loved it.

Well, what do you think, Like, you know, why do you like this concept so much?

Like what does it do to the movie having a non actor, you know, mixing it up with professional actors?

What is it?

How does like the tone of the movie sort of change?

I think it grounds it more.

It also brings it just brings like some sort of reality to it, especially if you doing places that are small towns or sort of you're having something that's kind of like maybe bleak or sort of dark.

There's like sort of the reality of a real person talking.

I think the best example of it is in that what's some of me?

Francis McDorman did where she was Is it called Nomad, the one where she's traveling around?

Yeah, no, mad Land.

So you watch that movie.

That movie is filled with non actors on purpose, But I think that movie uses them in a bad way because all it does is show you how incredibly beautiful Francis McDorman and David Straith Hearn are.

Because you see these real people, like she's supposed to be playing like this salt of the Earth person and you see her next to a real person, You're like, oh my god, like this is not working.

These are not These are not the same people.

She does not experience life the same way as the other person, does, you know, because she's just stunning and radiant.

Where it's this it almost needs to be commented on within the film, like this woman's beautiful, what is she doing here?

Like it almost like ruins the reality of the world.

That's why that movie was room for me, because I felt like I don't believe this for a second because there's too many real people around her.

It makes it feel like she's some sort of like she's not experiencing the same thing they are.

I think about this actually all the time because I moved back, you know, I lived in LA for a few years, moved back to my hometown in Atlanta recently.

And you know Atlanta, there's a lot of productions here, and there's movie people that live all of them.

Oh yeah, But it's funny because when you're in LA, you're like, everybody sort of looks preserved and like fresh faced in this weird way, even if they're not like even acting or they're just like, you know, we're all just like in this you know, weird town that where everybody just kind of looks like there was.

A skincare routine.

Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

But then when I moved back to Atlanta, the difference between actor and then normal person is really vast here.

And I was like, it's funny because when you are at a restaurant, for example, you're just like eating a diner, and all of a sudden, somebody walks in and they're just like elevated.

They've got that like elevated Francis McDorman.

Look, You're like, yeah, they're an actor and they moved here from Hollywood.

They don't live here because everybody else looks like a fucking goblin.

You know, and you're just like the line between that.

I think that's really important that you say that, because it's like, yeah, when you're in a movie environment and you're like, oh, like you're all these normal looking people and then all of a sudden, hot ass David Strethayir and walks in and you're like, well, he's not old homeless guy, he's I know.

I mean that's the thing that's like a lot of these people they're older and they play character roles and you're just like, they're they're fucking stunning, yes, And you can't imagine what is it like to be around someone who's like, like, if you're around Marco Robbie, are you just you can't look at her and you turn to stone?

Or is the opposite?

Does she look hideous in person?

Because there's some sort of like a you know, you once you go over the top, you'd fall off the back or something like that.

I don't know.

Well, even on her day, even on her worst day, she still looks like a beautiful alien like, because she's still going to be beautiful and thin and gorgeous even if she hasn't fucking slept and was on a bender or whatever.

Like she's gonna be beautiful still, she just.

Can't help it.

It can't help it at all.

This happened a lot when I saw the movie The Safti brother So, the Saftie Brothers, I feel.

Like they do a lot of that.

Yeah, they're great with it.

They do a great job of that.

They do they do.

But I really and I really like this movie good time.

But again, it's like Robert Pattinson.

I'm like, well, he's like a super hunk and stunning.

It's like, why is no one in this film commenting on that.

Yeah, I feel like it's a I don't know why.

I somehow feel like it works in that one.

Maybe because it's so for me, I was fine.

Yeah, they kind of make him look insane, so I feel like that was sort of the work around.

I also think there's a lot of men out there who are like him, who are sort of crazy, have a lot of energy and maybe crime adjacent, who are very beautiful, And that's sort of why they're able to do that, because they get away with a lot of shit.

Because one time, my wife and I are walking to like the farmers market, this is years ago, and some guy comes up to us some young man probably younger than me ton and he was like asking to borrow our phones.

He had to call someone.

I'm like, what's going on here?

But he like he winked at my wife in this way.

He was like, Oh, this guy is used to getting away with shit.

I'm like, we're not giving you my fucking phone, man, But he's used to people being like cause you you know, sweet, and like, oh, yeah, I got this problem.

Clearly.

This man just got kicked out of someone's apartment like he's in Yeah.

He was almost like like a minor version of that character from Good Time.

But I'm like, oh my god, this guy is so used to just getting getting by with a wink and a smile.

Yeah, And oh man, do you remember do you remember when the Jesus guy in La was alive?

Do you remember that the Jesus from the Jesus and he used to walk around Hollywood.

He just dresses Jesus, I sort of do.

I guess so I missed him.

I'm sorry, Well, I don't know.

I I every time I would come to La before I moved there, when i'd be working, you know, over by the Chinese Theater, in that whole Hollywood and Highland area right, which is like rife for people.

To dress like Jesus.

I would always see the Jesus like he was eating a Baja fresh or like walking around wore like a full white robe.

I actually think I have a picture of him somewhere.

But he was effectively like an unhoused guy, I suppose, or maybe just like living in Squalor.

But he was just walking around.

He was goddamn gorgeous like his even as it's an old Jesus guy.

He had this like silky long hair, he had a he had perfect and I was just like, damn man, la is wild for this, Like why are they, you know, like pumping out these these street characters who are basically they could literally walk onto a set and be in an actual movie.

Yeah, I mean it's a different life.

I guess it's such a it's such an interesting thing.

Yeah, yeah, you know who else?

Actually, speaking of the Sappie Brothers, you know who else?

Does I feel like directors that really use a lot of non actors in like the best way are the Coen Brothers.

Oh really, I'm trying to what are some examples of that I have noticed that Well.

You know, it's like if you're watching some of their movies, like normally people who are like working in the rises and in the background stuff are typically like locals that they've hired to like play people that own gas stations and our secretaries and stuff.

And I just think that they have such a good eye for that, Like I feel like they're always looking like they That to me is what I like about a Coen Brothers Moore like or directors that use non actors.

Sometimes it's because they're going into the community and they're actually picking like people that kind of look look like a part.

And the people that they pick are just so fun.

They're just like older people that have like kind of weird do drop glasses or like crazy mustaches, and You're just like, I don't know, like somebody like somebody's grandpa, is you know, playing the guy that you know owns the diner or whatever.

And I'm like, I don't know.

I think it gives it a kind of a personal touch and kind of makes me like them a little bit more because.

I absolutely, yeah, I love that so much.

There's my one of my favorite examples of all time.

I'm not sure if this is true, but it feels like it.

I guess it just feels like it's real.

Because Peterberg, you've seen Patriots Day.

I haven't seen it.

I mean most.

People who like movies haven't seen it.

I like them, I like a lot of I have a thing where I love every Peterburg movie I love.

I love I've seen them all like a couple of times.

I love all the fast and furious movies like any kind they are to be, I understand.

I love them so much.

There's something about them.

I feel like they're the last movie movies, you know what I mean, like in a classical sense, where because they're outside of the critical evaluation, no one's reviewing them, and people who watch them don't care if they have her reviews.

They're just gonna watch them.

But Patriots Day, there's one scene where they close in on the bad guys, and there was like a little little bit of a all the cops, all the different cops, all the different types of cops, like the local, the sheriffs, the police, they have, they had their guns trained on this place with the is the Sarnara brothers or hunker down in that boat house behind this person's behind this person's house, and there's this woman who comes up on the rooftop.

She's like this butch lady with short hair.

She's a she's a cop, and the FBI is like, you can't be here, it's not your jurisdiction.

She's like, kiss, my ANSWER's not my jurisdiction.

I'm a local Boston PD cop.

I'm gonna be here right here.

And it's just like she has so much energy and the way she delivers that, You're like, this, this lady's for real.

This is like a real cop.

I just love it so much.

She's like the best moment in the entire movie, I feel like, because she just sassage this guy so hard he's like, Okay, you got it.

Is interesting because it's like, you know, non actors are limited in their ability to act.

Yeah, non actors, but they are able to punch a moment up or like, when given the right tools, they can like really do something with so much more reality and enthusiasm than like a real actor could ever do.

Right.

You know, it's like this woman who's a cop in Boston, she's probably been taking shit since she was born.

You know, you can just see all of her history and that moment that she's so tough and so like Leathery, she's so used to dealing with all these men who were you know, you can just tell that's her reality.

If she is an actor, that's even great too, because it's a great performance.

But she's not.

I'm also like, this is just the reality of her life.

And she's literally being talked to in that moment about how she's probably been talked to her entire career.

So she's so used to just sounding off against these these dudes who think they can just dismiss her.

That was like, oh my god, this is just great.

You feel like she's the only going to be the one who saves a day because of that attitude she's got.

Yeah, I mean, it's funny because I was when I was really going back to thinking about this, because I mean, there's obviously like this huge tradition of these of like musicians who become actors, and like, you know, there's people like Tom Waits, and you know, I don't know people who kind of like appeared in a movie and then continue to act.

Dwight yoakum whomever.

I think Dwight, Oh, go ahead, I'll know.

Dwight's amazing.

By the way, when I saw Slingwade for the first time, I was like, who is this actor?

He's the best part of the entire movie.

And I'm like, USh, he's a famous country musician.

Like this isn't fair.

This isn't fair at all.

Yeah, oh my god.

I mean all I have to say is crank, like the Crank movies, Like.

Oh yeah, he's in Crank.

Yeah, I's Crank too, which is to me, he's a the better Crank.

But I uh, he is absolutely fucking wild in that movie.

Just like his look, his everything.

He says the greatest.

Yeah, he's really great.

But I was thinking about actually I was looking this up because I was like, there hadn't she couldn't have been an actual actor.

But then I think she started in a movie and then again like kind of started appearing in more movies.

But do you remember the movie True Stories that was about talking heads and it's direct.

There's a character who I think is just called the Lying Woman and she's just got this like really thick Southern accent and she was just always telling lies to people when she would meet them.

To be like, you know, I used to date the I used to date Rambo, the real Rambo and he was obsessed with me, like he and You're just like watching this woman and I'm like, first of all, that's a completely authentic Southern accent, which I appreciate.

And I actually would rather have a local non actor playing a Southern person than a Hollywood person playing a Southern person, right.

Because Hollywood really loves to they love to chew on that Southern accent.

Oh, and it's bad as a Southern person.

I'm like, no, that's not an authentic Southern accent.

But this woman calms out the gate with an authentic Southern accent.

And I'm like, who is she?

And yeah, I think she was just like a poet and a performance artist.

But then I think True Stories was her first movie, and then she's been in movies subsequently.

But like, she's my favorite character in that entire movie.

And I was like, man, I could watch an entire movie with is her.

I have watched it, guy, I haven't watched it in twenty years.

I think, Yes, that is good fun, That is good, Johnny.

Have you ever worked with a non Have you ever been in this situation as the actor working with a non actor?

Oh gosh, I forget everything, I really do, Like I forget so much stuff I have.

I you know what I did actually sort of, but it's like a weird story work with someone who it's it's too long of a story.

It's like the long story of all time.

But I did work with someone once who right before we right before we started shooting our scene, she asked me, do I look in the camera?

Do I look at you?

Fascinating?

And I was like, oh, just look at me, pretend the camera's not there.

I was thinking, like, oh my god, this it was our first time acting on anything ever.

Yeah.

Yeah, And it was as they hired her by mistake, and it was a whole it's a long it's the long story I have and I can't even tell it.

But that is wild because that kind of goes like, have you ever seen a movie or are people looking in the camera?

If they're not, I don't know, you know, but like I could see how you just yeah, in that moment.

There's a lot of people.

You always forget that.

Some people.

They just they think that being on set, they like can't understand how it's possible not to be extremely nervous.

Yeah.

Yeah, I have good friends of mine who were comedians and stuff who asked me that They're like, how aren't you like nervous?

And I'm like, no, I don't know.

I mean like I'm not like, uh, I'm not like, you know, picking my nose and and doing nothing.

But I could definitely like it's like a weird sort of thing where I don't know, it's like a disconnect.

Yeah, but so I can see how certain people and all you should be if you look at it objectively, it should be this thing where there's no possible way to be relaxed because all these people are looking at you.

Yeah, like hundreds of people are looking at you, Johnny.

I just wanted to ask you, you know, as a fellow Minnesotan, when you moved to Los Angeles to pursue comedy, where there are people in Minnesota in your life that were surprised or sort of shocked by that decision.

I mean, I think there probably was some surprise and not I didn't have a lot of support.

I was just dogged, you know, I was like, yeah, I didn't give a shit about what anyone thinks.

I still think it's crazy that people care so much about what their parents think think.

I think it's absolutely I think it's almost a weird sort of mental illness that we have.

But you care what your parents think about what you're doing, Like, I don't give a shit what they think at all.

I could care less.

Yeah, you know, it's it's like a thing where you know, I just wanted to do it, and simple as that, I don't know.

I just I think it's a lot of it was me being truly ignorant to anything whatsoever, and I think I still have that ignorance to where it's like a weird type of confidence that is based in a type of ignorance I think, but also just because I just don't, like, there's nothing else I would be happy doing, so I would just be so miserable otherwise that I would be you know, I don't I don't want to do anything else.

I guess, simple as that, it's almost at once like you can't have a backup plan because then you'll just do that backup plan.

I talking with you know Shay Wigham, right, oh, yes, talking with him there to day.

He was saying something about, you know, just like you know, he was like, I could live in a anywhere I live in a cardboard box and do this.

I don't give a shit about anything.

I don't care where I drive, don't care where I live, because you just want to do the thing.

And that's I think that's what I was thinking about when I first started, is it was all about what's what you're doing good?

And that's all it mattered.

It didn't matter who made most money.

It was I was completely and totally blind to anything other than it is this good.

It's just respectable.

Because sometimes people would there'd be people who are like famous or for something.

I'm like, yeah, but that that thing sucks.

That's a stupid show.

Why would you Why would you feel be like, oh, I'm on this show, like yeah, it's a it's a dumb, unfunny show.

Like I'm you're stupid, You're You're not cool at all, You're not cool, You're boring.

Yeah.

I was gonna say, how do you reconcile if you, like, if you're in something that you know, Because as an actor you have such little creative control.

Sometimes it's like, how do you reconcile if you're in something where you're like, this is the wrong creative decision for this project.

But I can't.

I just eat it.

I just have to eat it and remember that a lot.

For a while.

I would do that once a year to remind myself I would make a mistake, I would do something.

I'd say yes to a thing.

I'm in there, and I'm like, what am.

I doing here?

And I would be like, God, okay, I just got to be nice.

I gotta be nice because otherwise, you know, you have all these stories about people who say yes to something and they're just fucking miserable and they're mean to people all because they don't want to be there.

But they had a choice to be there or not.

So I don't know, it just I have to just remind myself that as much as possible and try to work on my own things as much as I can, because yeah, if I'm doing that, then I you know, I feel good about Also sometimes, you know, a lot of I'm really lucky that a lot of this stuff I've worked on is extremely collaborative.

And like this movie that's coming out probably in March of twenty six called Mermaid, and that was like, you know, I was the lead of that film and it was extremely collaborative in a great way.

And that's the kind of thing where I love that.

Same with Fallout is extremely collaborative in terms of just everything about what's going on there.

And so, yeah, that stuff is great.

I do love that, but every once in a while it's not and I just have to eat it or and remind myself to have to be make be careful about what I decided to work on.

How is voice acting in comparison to live acting?

Do you prefer one to the other or is it just kind of different things?

I mean, they're super different.

I think that there's a huge misconception about voice acting.

People like, oh, you should show up in your pajamas just easy.

Acting is so much more difficult than live action acting.

Wow, it's so.

Much more difficult because you have to generate.

Everything that you're doing has to come through your voice.

So if there's like a moment there, you don't have the benefit of the camera seeing things and having an environment that tells the storyline with you.

It's all told through your voice, So you have to do I mean, I would do this.

I did the show Pickle and Peanut for Disney Channel for a couple of years, and man, we do like a four hour voiceover session.

We did a couple episodes.

I would be so incredibly exhausted afterwards, just because it's so much.

You're doing so much.

It's it's a weird thing where your body's not exhausted, but your mind is, and so it feels like this disconnect.

But I mean, I love voice acting.

I love it so much.

That's the one thing I'll always like, even the smallest thing.

If I have time, I'll do do it just because I find it to be so fun, because it's almost like it's kind of psychedelic in a way.

In a way, but because you're you're just it all lives inside the sound.

And I think sound is uh.

We don't talk about actors' voices as much as we should.

I think there's a lot of actors who have who who can't fail because their voice is just so unique and you just love to hear them talk, you know, like Dwight Yoakum, Like I could listen to him talk and sling blade for I could watch him just reading anything because just his voice is so lyrical and.

Everything about it.

And I think that the voice is, uh, the voice is kind of everything in a way, that voice and physicality and the rest of it's the rest of it's just magic.

Yeah.

Well, Johnny Thank you so much for being on the show today.

I really appreciate you coming on.

This is fabulous getting to talk to fella Minnesota.

Yeah, always kidding me another Minnesota.

Yeah.

Is there anything you'd like to plug?

Oh, I don't know, I mean, uh.

Yeah.

When Mermaid, I wish we had I wish I had a I'll probably find out in five minutes when it's coming out.

Yeah, that lookout for Mermaid for sure.

Otherwise, I'm doing a bunch of live shows coming up.

I'm taping my first comedy special in the new year, So I'm running the special a bunch of different theaters.

You can find it at all on my website.

Johnny Pemberton dot dog.

That is.

What it is.

Yes, it's fun, it's good.

That's good.

Well, thank you again, Johnny.

We really appreciate it.

Love talking with y'all.

All Right, we are back.

That was a great combo with Johnny Pemberton.

Love talking to Johnny.

What a delight.

Love talking to Filla Minnesotan.

Check him out in Fallout or Superstore.

He's got a lot going on.

He's great.

Okay, now it is time for employees picks, where we have a film recommendation.

Based on the theme of the discussion, I'm going to recommend David Cronenberg's Crimes of the Future from twenty twenty two.

This is a futuristic dystopian sci fi movie where human evolution has accelerated to the point where they we no longer feel pain or it's like greatly reduced.

So the movie is about a performance artist played by Vigo Mortensen.

His character's name is Saul Tenser, which I think is a funny name, and he like cuts himself open on stage, and that's like there's a lot of like performance art of like people slicing themselves open because they don't feel it anymore.

But another aspect of this movie is people are evolving to the point where they can't eat food anymore.

Their body does not work with eating food, but they need sustenance.

So people are starting to evolve to the point where they need to eat plastic, and that is what they survive on is eating plastics, and what their body wants is to eat plastic.

I think about microplastics, I think about you know, there's kind of the conversation Milli and I were just having about industrialization and people becoming machine like and Crimes of the Future really summed up that fear well in that movie.

So check out Crimes in the Future twenty twenty two.

It's great.

It's gross, though.

If you don't like body horror, maybe stay away.

But that's a good recommendation, Thank you.

Sure not surprising that you Yeah, not surprising that you would recommend Chrota at all.

Not surprising whatsoever.

Yeah, well, we know my recommendation is even more of an obvious layup than a Kronaberg movie from Casey.

I'm gonna recommend I'm gonna say this, there's a caveat.

I'm going to recommend that you watch Fritz Long's Metropolis from nineteen twenty seven.

A shithead suggestion if I've ever heard, I know it.

Is one of the biggest of the shithead suggestions.

However, I'm gonna dare not be even more shtheaded and suggests that you watch this with a live score if you can.

Ooh cool, It is actually really great to watch it with a live score, like if you I mean this is a type of movie, by the way, It's a silent film, a German film.

It's about industrialism and like class warfare and evil Android ladies.

There's a lot going on in this movie, much like Tetsu with the Iron Man.

However, this movie is this has done a lot and I've seen it in Atlanta, I've seen it in La I've seen it in a couple of other cities where people, you know, they'll have like they'll bring in like a musician or a orchestra to do a live score, and it just really makes the experience so much better.

Like, it's really great and if you can access it, like it might happen in your town once in a while where you live, or maybe if you're in a town where it happens, go and see it because it can be really really I don't know, it just really like kicks it up a notch.

But that's cool.

Yeah, I mean, this is one of the classics of world cinema.

So watch it, but also watch with score.

It's cool to see a movie with a live score.

That's like a really cool experience.

I saw a Texas chainsaw massacre with a live score.

That was the first time I'd ever seen it.

Wow, that was amazing.

One of my favorite hilarious stories about seeing a movie with a live scor is that I a long time ago in Atlanta, I watched the Passion of Jodo of Arc with Cat Power doing the live score.

Oh and she left halfway halfway through the movie and never came back.

And that was weird.

Wow.

Was there any explanation ever given?

Is there ever an explanation in these instances?

I just just having time.

She was playing the piano, and then all of a sudden she did the thing where she just slapped the keys like a kitty cat that's jumping on top of a piano key, and then she just closed the piano and left the stage and then never came back.

And we were all like, wow, I guess we should go.

I think we should go.

Did you watch the rest of the movie or was it over?

Hell?

No, We're gonna watch it incomplete silence.

Like I guess, yeah, that's true.

Good try though, good try, I guess, good, try long so I get it.

Oh my goodness, Wow, Millie, we did it.

That's the end of Halloween, folks.

Thank you for being with us all month and being spooky with us.

I'm sad, are you?

Yes?

I look forward to this time of year all year long.

Yeah, I know, Well, you could make the good times last.

Who says that you can't keep it going.

You know, there's like this.

I feel like sometimes when you're running in these shithead circles, there's a lot of judgment.

And I remember telling a group of people like, yeah, I'm excited for October.

My wife and I we watch a horror movie every night of October.

And they said just in October.

Oh, And I was like, I don't want to speak to you ever again.

Listen, I'm gonna take my mustache off for this.

That's and I don't think you should be friends with people like that, all right, So let's wrap this up.

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Have you seen it?

I haven't seen it.

I'm seeing it this week.

I'm very excited.

This is all your homework to go see it, because we're going to be talking about it, maybe mildly spoiling it, or maybe not so mildly, maybe just straight up spoiling it.

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But yeah, it's going to be It's the opposite of Tatsoo of The Iron Man.

It's three hours long, so just strap in for that.

But yeah, I can't wait to discuss it with you.

It is a juggered off me too.

It is a barn burner, very excited.

All right, Millie, please I have a happy Halloween.

Don't you mean?

Mario?

Please have a hobby.

Here, Mario, Mario.

I can keep this hat, by the way, because it is m Yeah.

I actually steamed steamed it because it was wrinkly.

So this is an actual hat I could wear.

When was the last time you played Mario or the Super Mario Brothers?

Oh if it wasn't too long ago, because I played is it Mario Party?

Super Mario Party?

That's kind of like the like one of the new games on the Switch with my nephews, and one of my nephews was so pissed that he that they were losing that he like had a temper tantrum, and I walked out of the game.

I was like, no, we're not to do this.

You've got to be a good winner in this world.

And yeah, I don't care if I have too many fucking coins.

I'm older than you.

You're not gonna take it easy on these kids.

No, but it was fun.

Heck, it was fun.

Okay, very good all right, well, thanks everybody, Thanks for listening everyone, Thanks Casey.

Bye, Goodbye, good bye, good Bye Halloween.

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