Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder.

That is Georgia Hartstar.

That is Karen Kilgariff, and today we are so thrilled to be talking to the two people you might already know.

She is a film programmer and historian.

He's a filmmaker.

And they just ended a critically acclaimed four year run on the podcast I Saw What You Did.

And now they're back with a new show.

The premiere's Tuesday, January twenty eighth on the Exactly Right Network.

It's called Dear Movies, I Love You.

Please welcome Millie to Jericho and Casey O'Brien.

Guys, could you tell we were reading off a tele prompter?

Oh, it's felt really good though.

Pros.

We're just pros.

How would you, guys synopsize what you're doing on your podcast or like, what the you know, what's your elevator pitch of the podcast?

Vibe?

Yeah, well, you know it's uh, the name of the podcast is Dear Movies, I Love You, So it is kind of you know, we say, it's a you know, having a crush on movies.

It's an infatuation with movies.

It's a sincere celebration of film and film culture.

And we just wanted to be accessible to people because you know, MILLI and I we can get in the weeds about like art house bullshit, but we like but we want to talk about it in a way that's like fun.

And we also we like high brown, we like really low brow too, and so we wanted to be like an inviting, fun, cute podcast.

Yeah, Millily, anything to add to that.

Well, you know, I think I'm going to get deep, perhaps a little deeper than Casey's just real I personally when I was I'm kidding, you're not the himbo of the podcast, by the way, You're fine, You're a film himbos, as I've heard in the past.

I really I think over the past couple years, especially during COVID, especially during I don't know, just like living and life and bad news and you know, things happening in the world, I started really thinking about, like my relationship to movies, because you know, as a person who like lives alone and you know a lot of and has worked in movies for over twenty years, I started thinking about, like what, like do I have an emotional relationship with movies?

Like, of course they're entertaining, of course it's my job.

Of course, it's an intellectual pursuit, I guess, But what's like my emotional relationship to it, Like do they do things for me?

Are they my are comfort?

Are they my partner for crying a lot?

I mean honestly, And I started thinking about it in that way where I was like, I don't know, like I think they are, like it's the one thing that has consistently stayed in my life that has been like my refuge from all the bullshit, right, And there's some kind of I don't know, I have this like you know, deep feeling of appreciation for like what the art form I guess if you want to call it, that has done for my life in that emotional kind of way.

And so that's why I think when we were like, how what's the vibe, you know, I was like, I don't know.

We just love movies.

We're like in love with movies, we like have crushes on movies, and Casey like immediately was like, of course, like I get it, you know, And so I don't know.

I think that that's sort of I think what the podcast is also about is it's about sort of like being in love with this wacky world that we're in and you know, just sort of I don't know, like being very earnest and sincere about it.

So yeah, and I think there's a lot of like judgment about like what movies you like or like what movies affect you the most.

Like it's very easy to be like, oh that's a you know, people will throw you know, I said this even earlier.

I was like, this is a stupid movie, Like I can't hardly wait or ten things I heard about you, but those make me feel a certain way and that is meaningful to me.

And so I think our movie one, our podcast wants to kind of, you know, ry hold up all types of films and make them, you know, celebrate them equally, and they're meaningful equally.

It's more about like how these movies make us feel rather than you know, the intellectual value that something has, if that makes sense.

Yeah, And what I love about that too, is it I mean it kind of reminds me of our podcast.

And even the True Crime has nothing to do but like guys are doing, but it's finding your people too, who can talk about this one movie for hours even if they don't like it with you And you know, yeah, like the two of you found each other and then your audience and your listeners are going to be like absolutely or no, you're wrong, but you're still connecting in a way that's hard to do these days.

It feels like everyone's just kind of having these you know, superficial connections.

But if you have this like interest that you're so passionate about, yeah, you can really connect with people.

Yeah.

I feel like and you know, listeners, when you listen to episode one, like there you'll get that kind of that party.

It's like movie party vibe where like the first time I listened to it, just your guys' chit chat where each topic and each movie and each thing.

That came up, it was like all in like super interest, super passion.

And but then also just like these different takes where it's like you know, waxing poetic about the Magic Mic Trilogy, where it's like I.

Never thought about that before.

That's really true, Like just that kind of thing where it was like you can be you can be deep and analytical kind of about anything you want as long as you like it enough.

And it felt like that, you know.

Thank you.

Yeah, there's also like an episode that we have coming up that I really love because it we're talking about a movie that Casey is extremely passionate about, and it is like a movie like basically that his the movie that radicalized him, that made him a film person, quote unquote, and it was we and it was a movie that I had a very different opinion on, and we talk all that out in a way that I think is really cool, Like just because there was something that he loves and connects with that didn't really get me in the same way.

I was so like interested in just hearing him talk about it and hearing his relationship with it and sort of like what he liked about it.

And I don't know, I mean, I feel like that is something that that our podcast is doing and will do really well, is just having that mutual respect for each other's taste, I mean honestly, like, and that's something that I think is a thing that makes uh film people so annoying or intimidating, is that you have, like, like I said, like the wrong taste, You have bad taste, you don't like the right things.

And I don't really see it that way ever.

I don't ever see people having that Like I don't.

I would rather listen and be fascinated by your passion for something than just shitting on you for liking a movie I don't like.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah?

I love that.

Yeah.

So, you guys on your podcast usually start by telling each other the movies that you've watched recently.

What movies have you watched recently?

Millie, you go first?

Oh God, I got to pull out my phone.

Oh, she's gonna go.

She has to be legit.

I got to be legit.

Did you watch a movie today?

I watched a movie last night.

In the past, so it's been the past twenty four hours.

I watched this movie called better Man.

Have you heard of this movie?

Is this the Robbie Williams movie.

It is the Robbie Williams animatronic He's a monkey.

Yes, actually it's not animatronic.

It's like weird cgi right.

Yeah, that movie, to me was so much better than it had any right to be.

I don't know why.

I was like expecting to go and it being like this is gonna be one of the most genuinely bizarre, like weird outsider art things of our generation, and I was like it's actually kind of good, like shit.

Good, wow, Yeah, good for Robbie.

Yeah, I mean he was a superstar.

Well that's what I think is so fascinating about it, to be honest, because I'm like, Okay, they let this movie happen, like now where it's like, here's a star who was essentially not as famous here in America as he was, you know in Europe, who hasn't really been around for like twenty years, and he's a monkey, and like I'm like, and it's his life story.

I was like, wow, I can't believe that they let that happen.

I was actually really impressed that that happened.

So anyway, Wow, I feel like the whole narrative with Robbie Williams is like nobody knows about him in America and then like this movie came out and it was like this movie's bombing in America and it's like, we don't know who he is.

Why don't we go see this movie?

Right?

You've never seen this monkey.

We don't we can't support this monkey.

We don't know him.

You see what did you watch recently?

Okay, So I watched this movie called and I was really weeping during this movie, truly, madly, deeply.

Have you ever seen this movie?

It's like my favorite movie of all time.

Yes, I had never I had like seen bits of it, but I watched it the other night and it's so beautiful and touching.

It came out in like nineteen ninety.

It's with Alan Rickman and he told.

Me about it.

Yeah, Juliet Stevenson, Juliette.

Stevenson, and basically the premises her boyfriend Alan Rickman dies, is dead.

This is not a spoiler, this happened.

This is the beginning of the movie.

But he comes back as a ghost and it's so romantic and sweet and silly, and I was like, this is like one of my new favorite movies of all time.

I'm not even kidding it was.

It was amazing writing it down right now.

Well, also because it's so heavy, like they do, they don't try to clean anything up.

It's not the American version of If a girl's boyfriend died that she lived with and obviously is her life partner.

It is like there's a scene, I think it begins with a scene where she's at the therapist sobbing and trying to explain how isolated she feels because he's gone and she's walking around and all these people are living life and get whatever, and she's ugly crying to a degree where it is like I was like.

Who is this woman?

Yes, she's incredible, she's such a good actress.

It's like showing grief the way it really is, which is so hard for anyone to like do if you don't understand.

And the end total no spoiler, but also be careful because of me because I don't keep my promises.

But essentially the reveal should I not say the reveal?

I don't say the real I don't want to know.

Okay, because that reveal When I first watched it in same casey where it was me, my friend Dave Mesmer who we worked at the Gap together, and his friend and she's the one that was like, we have to watch this movie.

And all three of us were sobbing at the end, like together sobbing.

It was crazy and it was just one of those weird like it's just a perfect nineties like real life.

I don't know, yeah, I mean I was immediately when the movie started, and it's like happy tears.

I feel like I felt good at the end of it.

It's not like a downer, it's a happy.

No, I think, Okay, it's beautiful.

It's really beautiful, and I really, I truly, madly, deeply loved it.

And he's the director.

Do you remember off you?

Yes, it's Anthony Mangela who did The English Patient and the talented mister Ripley.

It was his first movie.

Yeow, it's his first movie.

Yeah, I'm saying, how did I miss that?

As if I haven't missed every single fucking movie that has come out in the past.

You're not movie people, which I think is like, this would be a perfect podcast for you because it's I think Casey and Millie kind of pulling people into the movie world, like it's gonna be okay, we're with you.

You know what I am.

I'm a I find a movie I like and I watch it forty times and there's no other and I don't watch it any other movies, not like I love this director.

I'm gonna watch all their movies.

I don't do that.

I do that too.

I do that too.

Yeah, there's no shame.

That's the thing with podcast, there's no shame.

Yeah, we are cringe, but we are free.

We say that all the cringe, but we're free.

Exactly, Can you guys give individually or together or as a as a team, like three movies that you would recommend to people who love movies but are intimidated by by coming into like a cinema, cinema graphic.

Yeah, is that the right words?

Like coming into the world of film people, and that's not.

So deep and like you have to understand the meaning of but it'll get you to those other movies that then you then you can appreciate because you you know what I.

Mean, what do they call them?

Like drugs?

Yeah?

Yeah, Well, I guess I have a question.

How do you feel about subtitles?

Because for some people that's a big hurdle.

I don't mind it, Okay, I think the gateway part though, for like the masses, there shouldn't be so maybe one out of three.

One out of three?

Okay, what is needed?

Uh, Millie?

Do you have Did any come to mind?

Immediately?

Yeah?

I'm thinking on it.

Well, this might be actually interesting exercise because case and I are I'm a little older than Casey, and I feel like this might be like it's going to be showing our generational roots perhaps, do you know what I'm saying?

Because I think about like what kind of got me into sinophilia if you will, Like, what was the movie that was the bridge between Like I don't know sixteen Candles and I don't know three colors red or something.

I'm trying to think of something.

I mean, I think for me, she's speaking in kind of film gibberish.

Yeah, thank you.

If you don't understand that, don't worry everybody.

Well, I mean to me, I think when I first kind of was like in high school and in college, and I was kind of making that jump.

I mean, honestly, I think it was a lot of the American independent stuff from the nineties.

So like I'm thinking of things like you know, Jim Framish Stranger than Paradise or Down by Law or you know Alison Anders Gas food Lodging, you know, this kind of stuff that was sort of like in the kind of indie cinema stuff in the nineties.

That's what I was kind of like, Oh yeah, there was like you know, SNL comedies, and then there's this, right, and so that's kind of how I started kind of getting into like more of a kind of cinema world, right.

But then I also think too, stuff like Stanley Kubrick's like The Shining and that those types of movies that are kind of like horror, but then kind of what they would call maybe like elevated horror now, which drives you crazy, but you know, in a way, it's like, here's a horror movie, which is kind of traditionally a genre that brings in a lot of like young people, it's kind of brought audience stuff, but then like it's a little bit more stylish and is a little bit more open ended in terms of themes.

So maybe something like that like The Shining And then for a third, I mean, I gotta say, I mean again, this is sort of like maybe for a little people were a little bit younger, but like those like early Wes Anderson movies like Bah Rocket or like I mean, Rushmore was kind of my favorite out of that stuff.

But you know, even like World Town of Moms, I feel like that kind of stuff would take would basically set you up in terms of Okay, so here's like an au tourist director who has who's building a sort of cinema language for his work, you know what I mean, And that's kind of I don't know, maybe if you're kind of getting into that kind of stuff, that would be like a good entry point, so that's perfect.

Yeah.

Actually, my knee Sophie texted me because she went and saw The Shining at the.

Theater and she was like, hey, I just saw The Shiny.

You've seen that, right, And I was just like, this is so weird.

Of course I was like yes, of course.

She's like it was so good, it was crazy, and I'm like, yeah, it was like the cutest kind of discovery moment that she wanted she brought to me because she was like, I feel like you're the kind of person that would appreciate that movie, and I'm like, yes, I do, I really do.

Yeah, I would say, I think that's right on.

I think there are some like gateway directors that are like kind of like how you know, Cinophile sort of like found their way into movies for my age, you know, Milly mentioned I'm very young that, so like I would say, Paul Thomas Anderson is a really good director to kind of follow his career because he did like Boogie Nights, which is art house film, I would say, but also like a major studio film.

But then you know, he did like There Will Be Blood a few years later, which is a lot I would say darker and weirder, and that was like nominated for Best Picture and stuff.

But it kind of is a good way to like get into more of the like highbrow, you know, cinephile movies.

And then so that's like more on the easier end.

And I would say, like, you know, we're recording this today.

One of the great film directors died.

David Lynch my favorite director, and he's like a great that he's kind of you have to if you want to get into film, you have to see some of his movies.

And I would say the entry point for that for him would be Blue Velvet.

I would say, it's a weird, but it feels weird.

It feels like this is like no other movie I've ever seen, but the plot makes sense and you can understand why things are happening, where that cannot be said for most of his other movies.

So that's like a good if you want to get to David Lynch, I would say, start with Blue Velvet.

You know, I that's so true.

That's why Mulholland Drive is one of my favorite movies of all time is because the first time I watched it, I was like, there's no plot.

I don't get it totally, like there's you know, it's just a movie.

There's no plot.

And then I watched it again and I was like, holy fuck, like the way it blew my mind that when I could finally follow the plot, blew it so hard that nothing has ever lived up to that.

Again.

Yeah, I totally agree, because we did that movie for like one of the last episodes of I saw What You Did.

And I had seen it like maybe twice in the past once when it came out, which I was totally with you, Georgia, like was like, I don't know what's going on.

Yeah, it's a vibe.

I guess it's a vibe.

Yeah, but I don't know anything.

And then the second time I watched it, I was, you know, like maybe sort of getting into it a little bit more.

But then when we watched it for the episode, I had this like revelation and I know everything about this movie and I want, Like I told Danielle, I was like, we're gonna have to really watch the Clock because I could talk about this movie for like four or five hours.

I have so much to say.

It's like everything clicks together.

Yes, I love it.

Yeah.

When I saw that movie, my friend Danny and I hated it so much that like five days later we were at a barbecue together and a guy we did not know happened to nearby us say that he liked that movie, and we harangued him until he left the party because they were like, what are you talking about?

Which is of course our very very nineties personality, which is it lauded back then when we were just like overtly hostile for no reason to every single person.

But it was this thing of like, you know you're talking about.

But it's like, of course that's what David Lynch is trying to get you to do.

He's like, do you like this or do you absolutely hate it?

Okay, here's a little more.

Like I just think that part of it is making people who maybe wouldn't even think to do it suddenly talk about movies, know what they like about movies, like know that their opinion counts about movies.

It's cool, Yeah, totally Rip do a great one.

Yeah.

Yeah, it spums me out, not as a huge movie person, but just like having a weirdo in the world is like really comforting, you know, like Paul Rubin's kind of a thing where it's like, yeah, it's comforting to other people out there.

Doing whatever the fuck they wanted to do.

Well.

I think David Lynch's special as an artist outside of like the movies he made, because his whole thing was like, you do not need to suffer to make great art.

That was like his big message.

And I think that a lot of people feel like when you make art or any sort of like project, you're like, you need to die for this, you need to starve yourself, you know, And I feel like David Lynch was very much like, no, you need to be like it's better to be a happy person making art and you can still make art about dark things, and god knows he did, but it's like you still need to like take care of yourself.

And I think that's a good message.

Millie, did you say what your movie most recent was?

Yeah?

Better Man?

Oh so sorry.

I got so excited about truly Mad because that's like it's literally like I made that movie.

Nobody knows that movie ever, and like I'm always telling people you gotta watch it.

I was shocked.

I looked on letterboxed and like, no one I follow has watched it, and I was surprised because I was like this.

It's just it's an incredible film.

You, Casey, you have, like in the past, have done this very similar thing where you have pulled out like this unknown rom com and have become like it's number one fan.

I think that's lovely about Wow.

I'm like, oh, this like fucking weird rom com that no one's seen in like thirty years, Casey, five stars all letterboxed.

Now nobody else I know is seen it.

And then I'm compelled to go watch it.

So I'm a lover.

I'm a feeler and I love digging up these these rom toms no one's watching.

I love it, Casey.

Are you so excited to finally get some fucking attention in this podcasting world since kind.

Of no longer a producer behind.

The Finally, Yes, I get to emerge from behind.

The I don't know, the sweet spots.

Yeah, no, I mean yeah, I'm thrilled.

I mean it was such an honor that Milly, you know, reached her hand down into the gutter and pulled me out of it and uh uh.

Yeah.

Anyways, yeah, how did you guys like come to that idea that you like, this is a movie podcast?

Like, what was the thinking behind all of.

That, well, like I saw what you did was ending, and Millie wanted to do another show, and I was kind of like, well, I was like, please let me produce it.

So that was sort of the impetus, just you know, Millie making a new movie show.

Yeah, we joked about this.

We joked about this in the pilot episode.

Actually, I don't know if I should say it, but that I was like, basically like Bradley Cooper and a Star is Born, and I like found Casey the Lady Gaga character, like doing a little burlesque in a shitty bar, and I was like.

Come in my limo.

I'm gonna make a start with me.

No.

I was like, here's the thing about Casey, Like I have heard him on other podcasts before, and he's so charismatic, so funny, knows a lot about movies, like has like you know when you when you hear people or you meet people that have cut like you know you have like similar opinions about things, and it's like, yes, they get they would get me.

Yeah, very crucial for me.

I just have to say, and by personality, I need to be understood.

That is like my lot in life.

And so I was like, Oh, here's somebody who I think we line on a lot of similar stuff, and we're not like the types to like the same things.

That's what I'm saying, which I love.

I love that we don't like the same things necessarily, but our reasons for liking and hating things are the same.

If that makes sense, you respect that the other person's wrong essentially, or like.

The reason why you don't like something is the reason why I would like something, right, But though those two things probably are different.

I guess totally.

Yeah, but I would hear him on these other podcasts and yeah, I mean it was just like, well, I want to do a show with him?

Does he want to do a show with me?

Is the eternal question?

Totally yeah, Yeah, I mean it was just so funny.

Million, I feel like, up until recently or like just checking in, you want to do this show with me?

Right?

And no, I mean I feel like Million and I always like we always connected really well, and I wanted to keep working with her if she wanted to keep making podcasts.

So that was sort of the like the beginning of the show.

We want to get a sense of through the move We're just trying to do the movie thing along with you.

We want to get a sense of who you are as people.

What do you get when you go to the movie theater?

What is your snack combination?

This is a great question, And actually I feel like a lot of our show is like about the like movie watching ritual too, like what we do when we watch movies.

I always get popcorn and I always try to get a cherry coke.

Those are kind of my go to.

It's hard for me to incorporate candy into it because if I need the I need the pop and then I need but the candy in the pop is just too much sweetness.

So I don't know.

That's the popcorn and cherry coke is my go to.

That's lovely, that's nice.

The popcorn thing is absolutely like I movie theater popcorn always gives me a stomach ache, but I don't care me too, Yea's like the problem.

I was just like, I don't care if I'm on the toilet for like three days after this, I have to go.

I have to eat it, like I don't know what it is.

Yeah, and then.

I'm with you, Casey, like what I started.

It was always for a very long time the peanut M and m's on top of the popcorn.

Yes, yes, which I used to call like trail mix mix sealthie, right, but then lately I've been because I, yeah, I don't want to get the soda if you're getting candy, so I switch.

And now it's either that I get the popcorn and a coke icy, oh, you know, which is the only time I ever drink full flavor coke.

I usually do not drink.

I usually do like diet or coke zero or you know.

But in an icy it's the most delicious I have all time.

I have to.

So it's either that and then I alternate with them, the peanut and M and m's, but always popcorn.

So can I ask you guys a question?

You guys are all moviegoers.

I don't go to the theater, and I've always wondered this, Are you supposed to finish your snacks before the movie starts?

That always blew my mind, where it's like you have to save it and you're supposed to eat it before, right.

I can't help myself sometimes.

You mean, like in the fifth teen minutes of trailers and stuff, Yeah, and then everyone stops eating at the when the movie starts, so I feel self conscious chewing loudly when.

Wait, so you feel self conscious chewing when the movie has started, you think you need to scarf the food.

It seems like everyone else has art finishes there.

And I don't know if it was like a rule that I just didn't fucking know.

I don't.

I've never finished my snacks before.

I mean not to say it's like, it's not like I haven't put put a serious dents.

But to me, part of the joy of like the big bucket of popcorn and watching a movie is like the zone out and just insane, just like okay, just shoveling it into your face in the dark.

That's the fun of it.

Okay, that's good to know.

I a lot of times I do.

I don't know if it's too completion, but I I'm like, seventy five percent.

There we do.

That's exactly what I was gonna say.

I'm seventy there.

You know, I'm peaking at the right when the movie starts, and then I can pick my spots when I.

Get it's not out of respect though, it's out of just being gross, and I'm like I'm starving.

Yeah, And then sometimes I do a thing where I will, you know, go to that seventy five percent and then save the twenty five and then we'll dip in like an hour into the milk, sure into the film.

I'll just like pick it back up again.

Oh yeah, yeah, it's like I.

Remember I had this, but yeah, I'm housing that shit like I'm like, hell, yeah.

Okay, it's good to know.

Honestly, I'm like, I don't worry about those other people.

I have a follow up to that question, which is, who's the most famous person you've ever seen?

At the concession stand at the arc Light here in lasowleh.

Shit, oh man, Danielle and I saw somebody that was on Seinfeld, not as a main character, but some recurr And now I can't remember who it was.

Was it like a Patrick Warburton or something.

Like that, but yeah, but it was the guy with the white hair.

Yeah, it was definitely some beloved side character from Seinfeld.

We saw at the Arc Lay.

The Arc Lay was a good place to spot celebrities.

I feel like, or like known people.

I don't know why this guy popped into my head, but I was seeing Nope at the Arc Light.

I think it was Nope.

Or it was us one of the Jordan Peele movies and Tom Morello was getting popcorn of rage against the machine guitarist was popcorn.

That is a good one.

I was always so jealous whenever I would hear the stories of Keanu Reeves going to the Arc Light.

Oh yeah, and I was like, when does he go?

And how come I'm not there?

At the same I.

Saw him at the Beverly Center.

You got to go to the mall, I know.

I mean, the only reason I wrote that question in it was because I saw Colin Farrell at the end of Concession stand.

So I reverse engineered that entire thing simply to be able to tell that story again.

Oh man, we're feral for Faral.

We are right, we're a pro feral podcast.

We know that.

I'm how could you be anti?

I challenged you, but I swear to god, I felt him coming from like five hundred paces.

I was just like, what's this.

There's electricity in the air down here in the lower concession area.

And then I looked over there he was glasses, headband, Oh your workout clothes.

He absolutely was like the.

Aura was like twenty feet in front of him.

He knew it we all knew it.

It was amazing.

It's like any movie stars at the movies, like, what more do you want?

You guys, do you have a favorite movie theater moment now that we're talking about them, aside finishing all that amazing food.

Well radicalized you in the movie theater.

We had kind of a crazy one recently.

This isn't a good memory, but this is something bad that happened where someone was doing a yeah.

Fire firecracker during furio Yes, and it was insane, like and did you do it?

Oh no, I wish no it was it was an hour into Furiosa.

Oh shut.

All I know is that it was packed.

It was like the Thursday that it came out, so it was like no empty seat and then all of a sudden you would see you saw this like fireball sail through the air.

Jesus landed in like the first like five rows of seats, and then everybody just jumped up.

Yeah, and every like the whole theater.

It was like we were in this like frozen moment of we were like waiting for an explosion or so.

It was like really hard.

So everybody was like stood up and like kind of moving towards the emergency exits, but nobody was.

We were kind of like frozen waiting to see, like what would happen with the fire, Like either was gonna just fizzle out, explode, somebody was gonna like get burned.

We were just waiting for something to happen.

And then by the time anything was supposed to happen, the fire alarm got pulled and every they were like clearing people out, so we had to leave.

Anyways, you can't do that these fucking that's an eighties trick.

In this movie theater, I'm gonna I'm gonna call it this movie theater out in Atlanta.

Chronically there's always teenage antics at this place, and if you every time, because this is not the first time there's been some malarkey here, and like, this is the problem with the movies is that it's not just teenagers running uh you know, scams, but it's like the teenagers run the place, so they're in coats and so nothing gets done.

There's no policy that gets it acted because of this, and so, uh, every time something has happened in this movie theater, including the fireworks saga, I have asked one of my friends that has kids, I was like, is it a school holiday and they were like yes, and I'm like, oh yeah.

So the messaging is that on a school holiday the kids go to the movie theater and cause trouble.

So now yeah, yeah, they're like, that's their way to party.

This is what I think every movie is, Like, That's why I don't got it.

Yes, it's always firecrackers.

Yeah, especially that movies.

It's already so tense and so much going on.

Yeah, and it was like we had to get we got a pass to come back to see the last hour of it, like an hour into it.

It was so annoying.

But I don't know, Casey, what about you?

Do you have any memorable film or movie theater experience?

Uh?

Well, I mean I kind of talked about this on one of our episodes where I had to like yell at those old people because they were in my seat.

I've had a lot of issues with people sitting in my seat when it's a reserved seat.

I don't know how you both feel about the reserve seats in the movie theaters, but I like it.

I like having a reserve seat for myself and my wife and I were in the theater.

It was like a sold out theater.

We were seeing The Big Short, and we got there right when the movie started, and there were these I go to the this is at the arc light and I go to like the guy working and I'm like, where are our seats?

I can't even see it's so dark, and he's like, they're up there, but I can see that there's a guy sitting in your seat.

So you're gonna have to ask him to move, and I'm like, oh god.

So basically it was this elderly couple and they're imagine there are four seats and they own they own two of them, but they're sitting in the middle, and we own two of them, but they're sitting in the middle.

Too, and so they have to know you can't do that.

I'm angry.

They have to scoot over one, you know, to make room for us.

And so I go up and I'm like, sir, you are in my seat and he's like what And I was like and the movie has started, and I was like, you're oh, you're in my seat.

I paid for these seats.

And his wife is like what's going on?

And oh my god.

I was like please and the movie has started and I'm like, please, move over one seat.

And then the people behind them are like, why are these people standing in the middle of the movie, And I was like, this is my ticket, move over one.

And finally they did get the message and move over one.

But that was a pretty harrowing experience.

And you have to sit next to them.

I have to sit next I'm on a second though, just a devil's advocate.

Okay, why were you so late?

That's what my mom said to me too.

She was like, what's your fault?

You were late to the movie?

So I, I, uh, you know, I that's true.

I can't deny I was.

I was wrong for being late to the movie.

But the last time we went to the movies it was a very similar situation, except for I was the late one and the movie theater for some it was in my hometown.

It was so dark inside the movie theater that I couldn't find the rose walking like the letter row walking up and no idea what the number of seat.

So my cousin is up there somewhere and I walk halfway down and it's pitch black, like I can't see anything, and it's one of those ones where you know, the newfangled movie theater seats where it's like a lazy boy recline.

So I'm walking really slow because I don't want to slam my shins into a recliner thing.

And I just am like guessing as to where my seat would be or where my cousin is.

And I so I'm bending over and trying to look into people's faces, and I go like halfway down, walking really slow, and I just go like Anne, and then this girl just goes no, oh no, and then I just so I keep going and then I just end up very slowly running into the wall.

It was one of those small theaters and doesn't have stairs on either side.

It was just like I just got to the end by touching my nose to a carpeted wall.

That hurts me.

It was so embarrassing.

That is just so scary though.

It's so it can be so dark in there, and there's like, you know, there's like dozens of people sitting quietly and you're like trying to navigate them.

I mean, it's like a horrible movie.

And they can see you fine because their eyes are adjust and it was the beginning of a complete unknown where so jupid guys.

It's so dark and there in a hospital while someone is dying of a degenerative disease, and you're like, so when I hit the wall, my cousin Sophie is the one that's there, and she goes, did you just run into the wall?

And I'm like, thanks for your help, and she goes, I couldn't see you.

I didn't know it was you until you started laughing.

That's so funny you said that because I saw that movie in the theater too, and the opening, the first like five minutes of a complete note, is so dark that I thought I was about to go to the projection booth and be like, could you like, I don't know if the you know, the movie's playing right or whatever.

And because there are people just like you who were like fumblin' stumbling because it was so I was like, why is this gonna be so dark?

I don't understand where we're at.

It's crazy.

Oh my god, wild.

Should we let you guys host a little bit?

What you know?

You guys host like it's your podcast?

You go, yeah, we have a few questions here lined up, Millie.

Do you what what should we start with here?

Oh gosh, I don't know.

You know, this is when we were talking about, you know, kind of what we're gonna do for this podcast, like how we're going to set it up, and what are these like questions that we want to ask our guests, right, And one of the things that came to mind, I mean again, like this this podcast that we're doing is also about like movie culture.

So you know, we're talking about not just like movie theater going, but like like video stores and you know, just stuff that if you're into movies or there's like these little rituals, these little you know, little things that we do.

And one of the questions that we like to ask is, imagine that you're in a video store.

And so if you're you know, going through the video store, what's like the first VHS or DVD cover that comes to mind when you enter into that store?

Do you have your I do?

It's not going to be the same, for sure, it'd be amazing if it was.

At the same time.

One, two, three, twins.

I can see both of those perfectly in my head.

So absolutely, well, why did that?

Why is that twins?

For some reason?

That's that's the that's the one with Yeah Schwartzenegger.

Yeah, yeah, Now, what's your relationship with that movie, Georgia, do you have a relationship.

Yes, I was the right age and every other weekend at my dad's house, my single dad, and so we had a we would have to rent a VCR from the d Star, but we have to do that, and so we.

Just fucking love that movie and watch the shit out of it.

I'm sure it's so inappropriate for children now, Yeah.

Okay, very good.

And Karen, what about A fish called Wanda?

Do you have any relationship with that movie?

Well, the first thing I saw was Kevin Klein with his like balancing on something, which actually could be from a different movie, but I'm picturing him like I feel like he had that spate this run of movies from like eighty four to ninety five where it was like that he would it would be Kevin Klein on the spine of a VHS tape, like balancing on a chair or like having a mustache.

Both these movies are posing for the cover.

Yeah, Like they're not like take a clip from the movie.

They're like the cast, yeah, closing.

I totally see it.

The visual, the visual part, but I think the Kevin Klein, anything he was doing, I wanted to be there for it and my family would be too, like f it'sh called Wanda made my parents laugh so hard.

It was one of those kinds of that and the Four Seasons like where you're like, what's going on that they like this so much?

And then it made me pay more attention to, like the actual comedy because I was interested in, like what was everyone doing that was a listening that response.

Yeah, they weren't because they were not easy laughers and they were like crying laughing.

So I think it was that piece of it where it's like kind of what our family liked a little bit.

It is funny because I feel like you mentioned that they like those are both like posing for the poster, and I feel like that's such a lost art.

Everything's photoshopped now or it's like a still taken from the movie or something, but.

Like very poorly too.

It's weird, like it looks like a Hallmark movie poster.

Yeah, but it's like a big budget movie.

Yeah.

I don't know if they just can't be you know, these stars can't don't want to get back together for a foot or something.

But right get in front of that white psyche, that's sell this thing.

Well, very good that's I love that, Millie.

You know what, I don't feel like you have answered that question.

What's what's like the VHS cover that comes to your mind?

Well, I mean I was such a video store loser as a kid.

I mean I was there constantly, and it was just like you know, well, first of all, my parents never let us go to the movie theater.

They were too cheap to let us go to first run movies, so we were at the video store constantly.

And I all of my good memories from video stores come from the horror movie section.

It's just what clicked in my brain.

And so I think for me, the first one that comes to mind is the cover for a movie called Happy Birthday to Me, and it's a basically a shish kaba obskewer going through guys mouth into the back.

Of his head.

Happy Birthday to Me.

I have never even heard of this movie.

What, oh it's a classic.

Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that's it was in the whole like a solid horror section, which I wouldn't necessarily be that interested in, but you would kind of love the like I was thinking, that would always be next to like Christine and then like something else, so you'd be like, oh, I would watch a Stephen King, Oh my God, Happy Birthday to me, or like the one where the like she will have her revenge.

There was some really dark late seventies horror that would get mixed in there, so then it would just be like, well, we can't rent that, but what is it?

Like, what's happening over there?

There was another one that is in that era, I think around that era.

The movie was I think the movie is called Phenomena by Dario Argento, the you know, Italian horror director, but it was called Creepers and it was basically the the cover was like illustration of Jennifer Connelly, the actress Jennifer Conley, with half of her face being ripped off by like insects.

There's a lot of bugs in Phenomena Creepers.

And this is just on a shelf.

At my height, which at the time I was probably three feet tall or something.

I mean, I was like, and I'm going, yeah, this is like totally ruining my life.

Like all of these little boxes.

They were so bocative, so freaky, and it just you know, those are the things that I kind of gravitated towards.

I think, yeah, definitely, And you were in there, like staring at these boxes like you.

It was quiet like the library, yes, and you were desperate to pick something that would actually entertain you because that was like your one chance where it's like, go find something.

And then it was like, well, well, I pick that will actually make me happy.

And your sibling can't, so you're gonna have you guys have to agree on it.

Yeah, that's the worst part.

Fabulous.

I love talking about VHS covers in the video store because I just think it's like a time.

It's like when you sort of start learning, like movies become evocative to you at a very young age, where you're like, what is that?

I need to know what that is?

And I think that's sort of.

Well, you know, my sister and I snuck into the X rated We pushed the curtain inside and ran into the X rated video store section, but no one was looking.

I've read about this in our book.

I was like, you have.

I was so overwhelmed.

I like, you have to look at one and you have to pay attention.

You have to like focus on it or you're not going to see anything, you know, because I was so over really.

Good, that's like a mature thought process going into this.

It's like circle circles.

Just look at something.

And so I looked at it.

It was called naked with shoes on, and it blew my mind.

She had like tenny you know, like la geared tennis shoes and like scrunch socks and was like clearly naked everywhere else naked shoes on.

Was like, oh my god, that's a thing.

Like I I didn't realize adults were like into it.

Naked with shoes on.

Yeah, that is so such a weird concept now that I think about it, because like my local video store had that section as well, curtained off, so you're particlarly like in the family video store with like other people in your community, so you're.

Seeing you're seeing your pastor you're seeing your.

So it's like then all of a sudden, it's like your friend's dad like disappears behind the curtain.

And I'm like, yeah, that would never like that is such a weird concept.

I don't know if that would happen these days, Like nobody wants to be in the X rated video section while people are running twins, right, it's like a different vibe.

So it's like purvs go in the back.

They don't want that for themselves.

No, but they all had that though.

It was like it was always like beaded curtains, kind of like here's the sexy area.

Did you ever rent anything when you got older in the beaded sexy area?

No, my god, we neither.

Just I just.

Watched The Cook, the Thief, his wife and her love a bunch of times.

That's a great arthouse movie.

I love.

I don't know though.

It's very sexy and dirty and on naked body.

I think Helen Mirren is like covered in rotting meat completely nude at some point in that film.

Sexy.

Yeah, excellent, but does she have shoes on?

The idea that they just named it what the thing is is the funniest.

Yeah.

I love it so much.

And I tried to look it up and I can't find it.

Like I might not exist, really might just exist in my mind.

I want to ask one last question, do you guys have a dream guest?

And David lynch r I P would have been amazing, But do either you have a dream guest?

I mean Conu Reeves, everybody, I say every.

We do.

I always say Kean Reeves, could happen?

Could love for that to happen.

He loves movies.

He turns out always has.

I feel like one that I thought I was like if we had Martin Scorsese on our podcast.

I mean, he's like such a movie lover.

That's why I feel like you would fit in well with our show.

But so he would be a dream guest of mine.

Goes out into the universe and I'll appeal to him as a fellow Italian American and I will let's start talking about you know, Canoli's and other Italian things, and hopefully he'll come.

So, yeah, I watched a documentary forced with my dad about the Automat in New York City that he was in and talked very passionately about the automat and what the automat was like.

Yeah, it was hilarious.

Yeah, No, he would be awesome.

Yeah, that's a good one.

We'll get on that here at exactly right.

I do everything we can, All right, do you guys have Is there anything I just want to talk about or plug or anything.

No, we just really we just really are so thankful for you both for you know, respecting the vision and helping us get it going.

And we're just so happy to be back doing film podcasts with exactly right.

I mean, I had such a great experience the first time, and like when we were talking about ending, you know, I saw what you did.

I was like, no, I want to say, don't pull me out of my dream.

So I was, you know, like really really excited that we kind of kept it in the fam, you know, with Casey and I don't know, I'm just really really excited about what we can do and we hope that everybody enjoys it and takes a listen.

So yeah, I mean it was an easy hell yes, when we heard the pitch, it was just like fucking absolutely, yeah, I can't wait to see what you guys do, and yeah, it's.

Great, exciting, it's great.

I will definitely miss I saw what you did because as a film historian and a great writer, Millie, you just would kind of present these the movies that you and Danielle would talk through.

It would be like Danielle would just be kind of the person who's like, oh, I just saw this for the first time, and then you would be you would and the kind of the other side of like, well, here all the things I know about this, and it's so deeply interesting to me because you are so good at that and you have been doing it for so long.

But listening to the two of you guys talk and it's much more kind of like up to date conversational recommendations, what's.

Going on, it's day and date.

It's almost like a little it's like your movie newsletter as opposed to your movie thesis, which both so valid.

But you guys as a combination is just like so charming and easy to listen to as a podcast.

So great.

Thank you.

Oh.

One thing I want to pitch is or a plug I should say, is the Softies.

The band the Softies, they do the theme song to our show, and they're one of my favorite bands and we're an inspiration to kind of the vibe of the podcast.

So it was like such a thrill to have them do the theme song.

So if I'm playing anything, they have a new album, the bet I made, you can listen to that.

But they did that.

I love them.

That's exciting.

Yeah, it's a perfect Their theme song is so perfect and lovely.

Yeah, I know, it's so cute.

You guys, congratulations.

We love your show.

We can't wait for everyone else to hear it.

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