Are you leaving?

I you wanna way back home?

Either way, we want to be there.

Doesn't matter how much baggage you claim and give us time and aid, terminol and gay A.

We want to send you off in style.

We wanna welcome you back home.

Tell us all about it.

We scared her?

Was it fine?

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Do you need to ride?

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To ride?

Do you need with Karen and Chris welcome to Do you need to ride?

This is Chris Fairbanks and this is Karen Kilgarat.

The hesitation was not me forgetting my name, No, it was just a simple organically occurring saliva bubble.

Oh okay, well great.

I'd like to keep everyone.

I think sometimes people worry about my brain health and I want them to know I remembered my name.

Great.

I think that's the kind of confirmation people do want to hear.

Why people come, Yeah.

Just to constantly medical check in with their podcast.

You know, I wish I was a doctor.

Well, our guest is already here.

Yeah, I can't.

I know that most you know on morning radio, like I was said, before it's people talk about the local, the county fair and things that are happening in town, and then you bring in the guests.

But I think we should do it right away.

We've never really done a morning radio format anyway, so I think we'll be fine doing it this.

Why have I been doing the drive time weather report?

That's your private time that you do that?

Okay, Oh I forgot, Yes, that is it is.

That's been my dreams.

You you saying them at clubs and colleges across America.

Everyone put your ears together for James A.

Berniac.

Thank you?

Did I say it correctly?

Banniac or Banniac And I've never played a clubber a college, but I love but that's how you talk on this morning see exactly.

Let's get you on the circuit.

I was so worried about.

Yeah.

Oh, and I know who to hook you up with.

Yeah, we're going to have you doing cruise shis colleges.

You need a solid thirty seven and you'll be fine.

I've never done stand up, but you two are experts, so I'm here to learn.

I've seen you because in our little list of things about you, it just mentioned and to you it will be so random.

Your appearance on Letterman in nineteen eighty three, Oh, my goodness.

Yes, and that so technically you did start with stand up that Yes, that I mean.

I was a very young person.

I was around nineteen, and I loved Letterman like every one of my generation did, yeah at that time, and I went to see it.

I lived in New Jersey, so I went.

I got tickets through the mail.

No home computers back then.

What did you call in?

I think I forget.

I think I think I wrote it.

Okay, could write in.

And then I got tickets in the mail.

Oh that's so hard, copies and very excited to go.

Was thrilled.

And the day before the show, I remember saying to our friend, Hey, watch Letterman tomorrow.

Look for me on it.

I had some cocky premonition that I was going to appear on camera funny.

And then I went to the show.

And the night before when I watched it on TV, he came out and he told a joke and he screwed the joke up.

So the day I'm there, he tries the joke again.

He screwed it.

He just stumbled on the words and he said, oh, damn it.

This is the second night in a row.

I've screwed up this joke.

And he took a beat, and in the spirit of impetuous youth, I wouldn't do this today, but I just yelled out, can I try it then?

And I was not a stand I was like a community college actor, right.

That was the that was my stage experience at that time.

And he laughed and said, yeah, come on down, give it a shot, and then I came down.

I can remember the joke, but I'm not going to tell it now because it's not going to land here either.

But the point is, I tell there were cute cards, and I'd never been on TV before, and I came downstage.

People are cheering, and I see my off on the monitor and I got very nervous.

Oh yeah, and he's a tall man, which was slightly intimidating.

I remember looking up at him, and then I kind of stumbled through the joke reading the que cards, and then as a sort of a save, I did a little kind of fake laugh, like and I kind of gave him a little pat on the shoulder, right, and then he did a kind of why didn't you just get back up there?

Yeah?

Yeah, like yeah, and I watched it that night and was thrilled, and now I can't watch it.

It's it's it's excruciating for you.

Oh yeah, and it only existed on an old VHS tape.

And then a think called time went by, a thing called the internet became a thing, a thing called YouTube.

This not just thing called YouTube became a thing, and now it's there if anyone wants to see me.

Right, someone else had it on VHS.

Well, yes, but I was, And I got to say when I left a page came up to me and said, oh, can we have your dress?

Because David loves to send thank you notes to people.

Oh and I'm still waiting for you.

That occurred in like nineteen eighty three.

It still hasn't shown it.

The idea though, like knowing the drama around that show and like whatever, the usual late night whatever, that must have been so refreshing to him.

That must have been so because you were giving him this weird out and almost like changing the subjects.

Well, I got to say, that was very much what that show was like back then.

R that's stupid.

He was always great, But that would never have happened on the CBS.

Right, It was just different.

There was more of a The opening of Late Night with David Letterman was there was one build you saw a building like in Rockefeller Center, and there was one light in the window, and it was like the kids are in charge, now the adults are away.

And there was this kind of wacky, you know, sort of improvisational anything can happen energy to that show.

Ye much of its time that he he didn't have to invite someone down, you know, gan to do that eighty three.

He didn't be the beginning for him, because I would have very early.

It was like the first or second year of the show Amazing.

I the first time I saw that show, I pretended to go to sleep with the rest of my family and then got back up and turned the TV on, and it was right when Chris Elliot was coming out of the floor as the guy under the stairs, and I was like, I was addicted, And so I would get up at night after pretending to go to sleep and go down and watch Letterman.

I had the pleasure of doing a TV thing with Chris Elliot a few years ago, and I've never met him before, and he was a very nice guy, and I said to him, I just want to tell you how significant you were.

Yeah, a Letterman too, but Chris Elliot, because he's like around my age.

I think he might be slightly older than me.

But I was like to see a young guy just doing this really inventive, crazy comedy on that show who I always suggest very I was like, this is for me.

Yes, I know that he had like comedy training and everything, but wasn't he a waiter that waited on Letterman And he's like, you're funny.

My memory is that he was working on the staff as assertive intern or something makes more sense.

And his dad was a famous comedian.

His dad was Bob Elliott.

It was a famous radio comic.

Yeah, part of Bob and Ray, who were a big sure radio duos like no Way after the war, like in the fifties.

And I grew up in New Jersey and my mother always had this talk radio station on called wr very mild talk Radio for Housewives, which my mother was and Bob and Ray had a slot on that show in the seventies.

So I used to hear Bob and Ray when I was a kid.

This is the thing I've always been into, like old show biz too.

But Letterman at the time was very new and very different, and I love that.

Yeah, you know, I was such a fan of Chris Elliot show Get a Life.

Did you guys ever watch that?

Was jam and Brian Doyle Murray and it was so bizarre.

At one point there was like an eyeball growing off of his shoulder and it was blinking.

It was the and he was an adult paper boy.

He's a brilliant good That show made me laugh so hard, and I knew even at the time.

I'm like, there's no way my friend's dads, who were watching Home Improvement or whatever, we are enjoying this show as much as me.

It was very It had that sense, the Canadian sensibility, like the eyeball on the shoulder kind of thing.

Yeah, we don't care that it's primetime sitcom era, We're going to do this thing over here.

Now, he is not a Canadian.

You're just using that as an adjective.

Right, Oh, Chris Elliott's not Canadian.

Well, I honestly don't know.

I mean, Bob Elliott was was did radio in the States?

Oh?

Unless understanding together, I thought he grew up in New York.

Well he has, Well, then my whole theory is shot.

To help.

Well, you're remembering the an era where a lot of New York parents would send their children off to Canada.

Also, TV was a great Canadian show of that era.

You know what I'm doing.

I'm just I'm combining Chris Elliot's career and then him working on Shit's Creek, and I'm like, well, then he's also a Canadian.

With Eugene Levian, I like.

That you can just Canadian as an adjective, not meaning literal.

Yeah, I mean he's got a Canadian quality.

It's a vibe.

It's like it's a gentle kookiness.

Yeah, you know, it's not football based.

Yes, and Bob and Ray were very gently kooky.

That's a very good way to describe them.

Chris was less gentle, but he was definitely kookie, very loud.

When the man under the floor would pop up and start screaming.

That's also from Get a Life.

That's from Letterman, just the guy that lived under the stairs.

What if this whole episode, I keep asking if things are from Get a Life?

You know, one you could here on the Morning Zoo Chris Elliot Hour Drive Terrace isn't here.

We're just talking about.

Christ talking about Chris, it's none of It's.

True Chris shit dot com.

By the way, I just want a sidebar.

I want to say that, Karen, I am very impressed that you were driving and hosting a podcast co hosting.

I do not think i'd be capable of this.

Thank you.

You wouldn't be.

And now, Chris, have you driven?

Yes?

And I it's established now I've heard it enough mentioned that men are a bad at multitasking, and I just thought it was something between Karen and I.

I think that women in general are able to Oh, I don't get pulled over where where I think they're behind us?

I'm got fire somewhere.

It's right when I mentioned that a siren makes you slam on the brakes.

Yeah, but Karen is very good at driving and having a conversation.

That's interesting.

I haven't pull over for a fire truck.

Oh, let me just do.

Yeah.

Yeah, we're just gonna let it's exciting, though it's giving us a little action sequence.

I don't like them.

Usually we follow the fire trucks.

Now, I got it.

I'm sure other people have asked this, but have you And I don't want to jinx anything, but have you ever gotten to offended mentor or a spe and I don't think we ever will.

Had I always been the driver, it was inevitable.

I don't know that i'd heard the men do multitask well thing, but I will accept that because now that I think about it, my wife was not a performer.

But if someone put a gun at her and said you have to host a podcast and drive, she'd be like, no sweat, Yeah, no problem.

I don't know that she'd say no sweat because that's like a seventies it'd be cool, but yeah, sweat how to sight?

Hey man, she added, no sweat for me, dude.

Of course I can do that, daddy.

I just I think that sometimes to make a point, I would have to.

I'll add to that after this right turn, like I couldn't do both simultaneously.

Now.

One thing, do people ever go like Remax real estate?

You know, just reading that's kind of apparent thing, that's kind of a mom thing.

It is a big brand, big brand tire, sirch, I do you.

Know they had a tire service at big brand.

Antiques antiques, So that's nice.

There is writing there.

One of the times, Patton Oswald was on everything we drove by except he had a story about it.

Yeah, because we're going down venturable.

He was being flooded with memories of each much like Wallace Sean.

At the end of the film My Dinner with Andre, he takes a cab downtown in Manhattan after his dinner with Andrea, and he says, and everywhere I passed, I had a memory of it.

It's funny.

I only know My Dinner with Andre from the lunch box and waiting for guf.

Oh.

You you can always get a reservation.

Incredible.

It's a great movie.

Yeah, really good.

I recommend it.

I should see it.

We all know.

That's one of the most parody titles of all time.

Everyone makes My Dinner with Andre jokes, Yeah, which is funny for a sort of already independent movie from the early eighties, a.

Movie where two guys talk to each other almost the entire time.

Yeah, two guys talking.

Yeah.

The other one that I imagine a lot of people haven't seen, because I was shocked to find out it was a literal title, The Breakfast at Tiffany's.

I had never seen.

I did not know she was actually having Christmas in front of a Tiffany song.

This is interesting.

Yes, you when you discovered there was a film from the early sixties called Breakfast at Tiffany's.

Right, you you thought, oh, that's that's a title.

That is a time.

You just think, did you only know the nineties?

Mine in a nice nineties.

I've been around since seventy five and I've I've heard that movie reference so many times.

But I imagine it's not by people who actually sat through it.

But you had heard the title, but you said that was just a phrase or something, right, I did not know that she has like a regular breakfast at tiffany pret Tiffany's.

Yeh, she gets a croissan from like a deli and then she stands in front of Tiffany's in the first shot.

That's right, But they it was important enough that they named the movie that.

Maybe I got thrown off by the terrible nineties song by whoever it.

Was, Yes, the brother was it?

It might have been the Rembrands.

My wife could also tell you that because she's a nineties music expert.

Too bad.

We should have invited her.

But she wouldn't fit in the car.

I think the reasons no room, there's no room for her.

I think the reason it didn't oh saying yes, wow, nice.

Wait, the band's name is Deep Blue Something.

That wasn't you trying to remember right right?

But you were reading it, they were like deep Blue Marble or deep.

Blue something, the Big Blue Marble.

And of course it's based on a novel by mister Truman Capodi.

The title okay, oh, it's got a whole.

There are a lot of different versions.

There's a books the movie.

Did there's a song?

Did it have Mickey Rooney doing the most offensive?

Well?

Yeah, the book has a Japanese character who lives in the building.

Uh it doesn't get along with her.

You can, but hopefully one doesn't read that and picture a white man and that is voice.

Yeah.

I'm now realizing that's why no one watch or why parents weren't like, hey, you should watch this.

I loved it as a kid.

Yeah, yes, that's that's that's a major problem.

Right.

Yeah.

It's like my dad who is now offended by his by blazing saddles when you're a kid.

Really yeah, he's like, I can't believe how many times they're saying the worst word in the world in this movie.

I don't think I like it anymore.

My dad grew that's fair, but blazing saddles is argue with who you want.

It's intended satirical.

Mickey Rooney is not being satirical.

He is just doing an offensive stereotype, right right, But there is the N words, and it's so much that it's like it's almost I guess Tarantino does it.

I don't know, I get it.

Yeah, what was that just a man running in the street?

Dark?

Yeah, it's so dark?

Now?

Is that a promo for the film The Running Man?

Yes, coming up, it's that was an integration.

Yea naturalist can be.

It's just so funny that like now that it's uh daylight Savings is over, this is this is.

Like this is fun because we're not really going anywhere.

This is like a Sunday drive, right to say, except it's it's a Wednesday night at rush hour in Burbank.

We knew that you love the Disney traffic and all people come and go from the Disney building.

You say, I want to be there too.

I'm not a Disney adult.

I'm a Disney traffic adult.

That's the distinction.

I'm a corporate Disney adult.

And we keep it aimless much like the content.

We have no destination now can I ask another question?

Please?

I love it.

I don't think to lead the discussion.

I love doing it.

I want to get back to this because I'm so fascinating.

Now, Karen, do you enjoy driving?

I do?

Are you like a car person?

Are you into cars?

I think you kind of are, well more than you know.

I have to say my ex husband was a big gear head and super into cars, so spending so much time with him, I think I did.

I do have an appreciation.

And I also and my dad was a little bit into cars, like we grew up with a Volkswagen bug that he fixed nice.

So yes, I guess in a way.

And also just he was very insistent of being a good driver and.

Be like he would.

He would get really mad if you slammed the car door because he would explain to you how you're shaking the window.

Loose from its interesting, yes.

Mounting or whatever.

There was always stuff like that, where of being careful with the car and like treating the car a certain way.

And now I assume you got your license as a teenager.

Yeah, where was it?

Where did you grow up?

He's like, no, I've never gotten my license.

I grew up in northern California in Pedalomia, right from the Bay Area, but kind of out in the country.

And so, what was the first car you drove Uncle Steve's.

Uh, we called it old Pete.

It was a Peterson truck.

Oh wow, real, I just think.

It was like thirty two.

And he would wait, I'm sorry, did you say it was a nineteen thirty two truck?

I believe so it was from a thirty It was an old timey truck.

Yeah, big rounded, you know, hubcap type of things, A big rounded kind of.

Like that at the time.

Or didn't think it was old timey and lame.

No, it was just the truck, like I didn't really think I forgive, speaking of racial stereotypes, but did Oakie's travel in this to California?

The truck ended up there.

It had a flatowed family.

Yeah, you could completely see people piling up their rocking chairs and their grandmas.

Zachar to California, that was.

And he would my uncle would put it into second gear and just let it drive around the field and then you could go steer it if you wanted to, and get out and get in because it'd only go like three miles an hour.

This is very impressive and explains a lot.

It's very were very calm.

You know, farm a podcast Behind the Wheel of Cars.

The children of farm people.

You have to drive when you're ten and you have to do chores all the time, and it's all incredible, right, so you kind of get the benefits of like adult life in that way.

I drive an old Prius.

I moved here in two thousand and seven.

I drive the Prius I bought then, so I'm not a big car.

I haven't upgraded.

It still runs, doesn't look great, it's a pink job.

I don't care.

I'm married.

I know to impress anybody, And there wasn't some looming What do you do with the battery thing that people still talk about like it's I catalytic converter stolen?

Right, Yeah, of course I've had a lot of work down in this thing, but it still works.

And now and then, like the last time this past year, I had to have some work done on it, and I was like, you know what, should I just get a new call?

And then I and then I start thinking, well, I don't want to get a big one.

Don't want anything too big hard to parallel park.

I want to keep my compact, so that that you started with the truck is very impressive to me.

Yeah, truck out kind of out in fields.

But I mean that I used to have a Honda fit that was kind of the same size as.

A Prius and the convenience in.

Los Angeles of a car that like, I barely ever had to fill the gas tank because it had got such good mileage and it just went everywhere kind of zippy, and you could fit it in any parking space.

I totally get that idea of, like, if you if you've got a good thing going, why I'm just yeah, I don't.

It just gets me where I need to go, and it doesn't look great.

I mean, Priuses look fine, but mine is twenty years old and it's just got some gangs and it's pain is coming off.

I love that you had the realization of, like, oh, I could buy.

A cold am I does it not make sense that I'm throwing money to fix it now?

And then yeah, I got a good mechanic, A good Russian guy.

Yeah, loves fails the best.

I like, it's like, oh the good cars, the good cars, Yeah, why I get it thing, someone already loves me.

Why do I need a statiste.

Why do I need to start over?

Yeah?

Perfect.

It's like I used to live on the West Side and now I live on the East side.

But I kept my dentists because like they have all the information.

I know them right right.

So every now and then I have to drive over there.

Make a day of it.

You make a day of it, Yeah, the day I'm having my teeth clean.

Yeah.

Every time a new dentist, you have to catch them up on your dental history.

And then they all complain about the other dentists who did this.

Who's been in here?

Yeah, who's been in here?

Good thing.

He came to me.

For a while, I didn't go to the dentist because well, I guess I had been going to my childhood dentist at home.

And then he retired and then I was down here, but I didn't find a new person.

So I was embarrassed because I'm like, well, now I'll have like a year of plaque, and now I'll have two years of plaque.

And it was like I just kept putting it off.

And when I finally went to see this guy, he was like looking in my mouth and then he looked down at me and he goes are you okay?

And I was like yeah, and he goes, because you're not breathing.

You've been holding your breath.

This whole time.

And it was just like I was just positive that it was he was in there, and it was so disgusting that he was like.

Oh, I know the feeling.

Yeah right, yeah, you're just like realized you're disgusted by this.

I saw my pediatrician, which is a doctor for children.

Of course, I saw him til I was twenty five.

Is that normal?

Interesting?

Yeah?

Well, it was like the family doctor.

I mean, I think specifically it was a kid doctor.

You just kept going again, Now were you were you?

You were still living in that area, right, Who knows if I hadn't left, would I still be saying, because you're not gain your height until a later age, did you think you were still a kid.

It's rare, but I went through puberty in my late thirties.

It was weird.

My voice dropped in mid career.

He was like change.

He was like, I'm going to stay with you through this.

Yeah.

When I was a kid in a New Jersey, r a pediatrician.

She was an Asian lady with an accent.

I'm not going to do it.

I'm not going to make you rue here.

But she had a little term she would use for us, like instead of calling a sweetheart or honey, she would talk to the kids, me and my sister, Okay, lover, lover, okay, lover, get on the get on the thing and set on the paper.

Lover.

Like years later, I thought, that's odd.

That's not someone child.

Yeah, OK, there's When I moved to Echo Park, it's a mostly Latino area and a lot of guys that I've come across, and I don't know, well, they call me poppy, yeah or pop up, but Poppy I immediately think not that.

I watch a lot of adult film.

Sometimes it just springs up.

But there is a theme cultural literacy.

You just want to know what's out there.

This is a Sometimes I dig a hole and then I keep.

Going, yeah, you gotta keep digging.

But Poppy, there's a theme.

Let me explain something.

But when a man says that to me, for some reason, it makes me feel good.

I don't know why, because that's an endearing name.

It feels like when a guy would call you maybe champ or bucco or.

That I don't like yeah, and you wouldn't and if they called you daddy, that would be a different caniform.

That would be another vibe.

Exactly, Poppy is one Daddy is a different way.

And at first I did get some daddy vibes.

But uh, you know when son, when it's a tough guy with face tabs sons good son.

Yeah, you know, I like in old movies guys call each other Mac.

I want to bring that pack.

That's a good dude.

But hey mac hey, yeah that's not negative, it's just like dude.

Yeah, can you help me with this.

My dad and all of his brothers, who all had red hair, called each other red.

Yeah.

I love that.

Yeah, I do like Mac.

You know what I want to bring back and a Mac.

I'm going to bring back Ace.

I just wanted if I had a kid, a little boy, like suddenly one day I realized I had one, or I did all the things you need to do to have a baby.

I think Ace, I think what Ace would probably sound okay if you called a kid that, But if you called a grown man that, it might sound like you're giving an attitude.

Yeah, right, confrontational.

It just sounds a little confrontation.

It sounds it sounds sarcastic.

All right, fans, Oh well you got a problem with me.

What do you mean what happened?

I think you can name a kid whatever you want.

Now it sounds all sarcastic.

Yeah.

When I was born that year in seventy five, fifty percent of all people just name their kid Chris.

All my friends there was it makes sense, christ and Jennifer.

There was Chris one through seven in my friend with it was the most common name.

Yeah, but now people are like really just coming up with anything.

Well, probably because of that, the trending.

You know what, I'm bringing Ace back.

It's all the more reason be careful.

We're just saying be careful.

You think he'll immediately become an airline pilot.

By the way, he didn't.

Ace Freely just die.

Oh what a time.

One of the kiss One of the kisses, Dad, that's that's the himself at or a cat.

I forget all the face.

I got to admit, I think that close.

I think he was the shape of a of a spade like Ace Freely.

Okay, right over over one.

I that my friend Laurie Tamler's brother Carl had that Detroit Rock City album, right, and it was all of them standing on rubble and we would stare at the album cover and I'd be like, this is terrible, Like this is bad, this is so frightening.

I was scared to death of Kiss.

I got such satanic expectations when I first get and then it's just them going yeah, baby baby.

Yeah, run party.

And I like girls.

I always remind you guys, I like girls.

It's like, all right, I'm a cat.

But then you look at the album and it's like, oh, this is like going to be like.

It's also like when you're a kid and you about The Grateful Dead.

It's a very metal, right yes, and it's the most non metal band.

It's still bothering.

I still get I see that skull on a shirt.

Yeah, with a skull looking down towards and they're like, I mean I like that.

I'm not.

I don't mean to make fun of the great Oh yeah, that's device of our half our audience.

It's furious they're going to go.

It's a hot button issue here on the Zoo.

Are getting more scarlet two for Tuesday, Grateful Bed Double Shot, two of their songs would take up a half hour.

Yeah, if someone made me, I think I only know two songs of the Dead, I Will Get By and the Scarlet Pagonias, because yeah, that's all I know.

Do you remember the I Will Get By video where there was just kind of like a skeleton being moved around and it was on.

MTV and v H one a lot.

I don't.

It was like the band as Skeletons, so there was like wires and they're like, I'm playing the drums and I'm playing the guitar.

They had some director hear me out, Yeah, you're Skeletons, You're the Grateful Dead.

But your puppet's gonna move around.

It's gonna be real clunky and.

Weird, clunky and weird and charming.

And your fans will love it because they're all on drugs.

Yeah, and they're old too, so yeah.

And other than an an objects, well, it's the same guy that did the Got My Mind Set on You George Harrison video.

It's just a guy that bought some fishing line.

I can make a Grandfather clock dance.

If you don't remember that video, what I'm saying makes.

Zero sense, but if you could just think back, it is.

More practical filmmaking.

I like to be the grunge era when you know, there were a lot of bands, you know, the these col vocals and uh and uh you know dark imagery that's what was selling popular, you know.

So all those all those bands had videos and everyone there's a shot of a wizened old man.

It was an old guy for some reason.

I think there are may be five old guys who were in all these videos.

Yeah, everyone is cut to the old guy.

Yeah, disturbing, just looking disturbed.

Maybe he's doing something in the yard, he looks.

There's an old guy in Nirvana's The Janitor and yeah, teen Spirit is an early version of that.

Yeah, that's there as any videos for the era of that genre.

Yep, here's the old guy.

It was also especially scary if the old guy had no shirt on him, was like in a hole.

That was supposed to disturb your.

Mind forever, you know what I mean.

There's like a Metallica video like that where it was like, yeah, this someone helped this old man.

No society won't help him exactly.

Yeah.

Gren Jarrow was very anti aging, very and yet they elictened great sympathy for older male citizens videos.

Yeah it made us think, Yeah, gave them work, gave them a union.

Card, give them a ladder, get them out of that eighties you had the wrapping granny.

Nineties you have old guy in a ditch, Yeah, in a grunge video.

That's how you knew things had changed.

That was a corner for our senior performers.

That's what I'm hoping for.

Just put me in some videos whole.

Yeah.

Every time there's a documentary about Motley Crue or a hair metal band and then the end of their era, it just starts with grunge music.

And then I'm like, well, that's actually when I first started liking mainstream music was grunge, yeah, because prior to that, it was like Warrants, cherry Pie and maybe it's just my high school.

You go to a dance, it's all Warrant and Garth Brooks goodness And that's where was this in Montana, but very near of six hours from Seattle, so we felt like a lot of bands from Missoula, like Silkworm, moved to Seattle or Reportland, so you you weren't exposed to a lot of the ault music.

Well, I was fortunate enough to have an older sister, six years older that worked at music Land in the mall Oh my god, yes, that immediately.

You know, my friends, she would help you to step.

Yeah, everyone else had bon Jovi.

She was given me, you know, the cure.

And I yeah, I think when I was I remember being in junior high.

I don't think I was particularly into music.

I just listened to what was on the radio.

The first album I ever bought.

I was born in sixty three, so the first album I ever bought was These I'm Proud and not proud of.

This was the Star Wars soundtrack.

Oh yeah, right, original motion picture soundtrack was double album and it had a very cool it had pages in it, It had photos from the movie.

And this is before you could rent the movie at home, so you could relive it just by listening to you know, Fight was my favorite.

We all know Star Wars, but that was it was almost like I was seeing it.

Yeah, you're living in your bedroom.

Yeah, quick, do something from the CANTEENA at that.

And then I remember I started to get kind of eclectic.

Well, I had a friend, it's like middle school.

My friend Jeff got into the Beatles, and of course we're like the first post Beatles generation, right, you know, we didn't, I mean, they were just they always existed, but it was just like, yeah, the Beatles, that band that just exists, right, it wasn't.

And then but then I started listening to the Beatles and enjoying that.

But then I would take weird turns, like I remember watching Saturday Night Live and Leon Redbone was on.

Do you guys remember Leon Redbone?

Christy you know Leon Redbone.

Leon Redbone was a guy who in the seventies did sort of old timey jazz standards and later he did like beer commercials, like in the nineties Marty k this You're no Body sweet, oh No, and you do these oh like twenty songs.

Yeah, this gravelly voice.

He looked cool, but he had this retro thing.

He wore sunglasses, he had like a panama hat on.

And I saw him NSNL and I thought, this is interesting.

I like this.

I was just drawn to it.

And I went to the record store on the mall and I got a Leon Redbone album and I went up to this is like maybe nineteen seventy eight or something.

I'm like a young teenager, and the young guy working in the mall looks at the album and he said to me, oh, you like frog music.

And I thought what did he say?

Frog music?

And then the guy went Leon Redbone sings like a frog.

Oh, and I felt, oh, it seems like a bit of a dig.

Yeah, thought it sounds like a slight against friend sing like a frog.

He sounds like yeah.

But and I thought, yeah, just give me the record, And I went writing constantly album called Double Time, if I remember correct, I mean that was.

A time where people were so identified by the music they liked that.

That was the you know, like, how many albums do you know of their's.

Type of era?

Yes, and also not I'm all for the present day in progress old fogy here, But that was a time where you had a actual copy of something and you found out about it by maybe catching it on TV or the radio at one moment or word of mouth, and you could go and then own this thing.

And there was something romantic and exciting about that time, as opposed to I saw this on YouTube and I can see it whenever I want, or even before MTV was like my first tapes were like, oh the Lebamba stand by Me soundtracks and STEVIEE Wonder because of my parents, But then oh, the parents records are a whole other area which I'm glad that they you know, that was a lot of Beatles too, But on my own, for some reason, I got into Dire Straits in like sixth grade.

I don't know why, because it was one of the moss.

And it's such a funny looking at it, how like music works now where it's like so clearly was not whatever you call it, like advertised toward children.

Like there was that era where it was like Tina Turner Dire Straits, there was like Cream remember the Cry video and be on It was just a bunch of faces crying like weird old people shit before they really got into like what are kids listening to?

Right?

Yeah, so that's probably part of it.

But I was into I was into that Dire Straits album Is It Good?

I listened to it every day because it was my one cassette.

You had no choice?

Yeah, and the cassette Yeah, I loved cassettes.

Yeah, it was the best.

I had the first Ramones ELK, the eponymous the Ramones, which I used to play in.

And my first car was my dad's old seventy seven Buick Skylark, which all inherited.

It's a red car with a white roof.

It's fantastic.

Was it very long?

It was something long.

Yes, it was not a compact five.

James Vanik would not want to drive that car.

I drove the more compact but more sporty Skyhawk.

Oh it was so sporty it got flames put on the hood.

But that car had a cassette player in its played a lot, and I drove the car into the eighties and there were a lot of great cassettes that I played on that there.

Sometimes I'll hear a song like I don't know early Arim or something like Don't Go Back to rock Hill, Yes, and I'll be like, I remember listening to this on cassette in the car in the Skylark.

Yeah, yeah, that's what I was listening on cassette in my It's a bug when he let me drive it.

It was Arim ari Em and kind of that thing of like I'm not going to listen to radio music and I'm not going to listen to what my sister likes.

No, No, this is cool, this is cool stuff.

That's like when when when the video came on MTV for Don't Go Back to Rockville and Michael Stipe with his big ring lit hair, and it was like, was don't go which one was I'm sorry?

When he was like I'm sorry over and over.

Was that deconstruction?

I don't quite recall.

I think that might be the murmur the chorus of Don't Go back to rock Anonymous.

It was hard to tell because he was known for being someone hard to decipher, right right, But it.

Was that kind of thing where we were laughing.

But I'm like, but I like, I want to make fun of him, but the music's too good.

I love it.

Yeah, yeah, they read the past.

What was what was Atlanta doing.

Fifty two?

Yeah?

Weird?

Oh forget about it being honest, that whole scene.

Yeah, Oh, I just saw a video, a B fifty two video, a B fifty two's video of them.

Was it on Saturday Night Live or something?

I was just like, what they're doing?

Like it was a rock lobster performance?

Yeah right, I'm like, I remember the first time I heard this song and I lost my mind.

It was like art rock.

I mean, I didn't know what I was listening to or think of this this way, but like that experience of like they're joking around but really good and really original.

You've never heard anything like this but it also sounds old.

Yeah, and everyone already knows the words, and everyone already knows the dance, and here.

We go, like it was just the coolest experience.

I remember that appearance.

I think I saw it when it first aired, and they also memory searchs.

They performed danced this mess around and he hailed a little toy child's piano, you know, because there's like a child's piano thing in there.

Boom boom.

Remember when you held my great French Schneider imitation.

That amazing.

I'm going to do that at all the colleges and clubs play that's her opened with French Schneider.

You gotta French was in a car, said oldbody.

I know a closer when I hear it.

Yeah, we can easily get a college setgether night.

And he's from I believe he's from Otion County, which is county next to mine.

And uh, his brother was a friend of a friend of mine.

True story.

Very cool.

I'm also very brave of him at that time to be just out and out and so such an overtly gay man singing being the lead singer where it's.

Like that was that's also that was unusual usual the great Bob Mold was closeted as the lead singer of There You Go.

Yeah, I got it.

He came out later, but yes, Fred was that.

Fred was talking about it, but it was clear that that was his sensibility.

By his pencil thin mustache.

Yeah and yeah, his John Waters esque mustache and his camp sensibility of it and one of the all time great singers, like not officially a singer at all.

Right, you would want no one else leading that band?

Yeah, it can, it can take back fire.

I always think of the forgotten member of Sugar Cubes.

We all know what Jork became, but there was a goofy guy that would kind of wrap periodically.

Oh my yeah, an Estlandic Caucasian man.

Yes, yes, yes, yeah, And I wonder what he's doing right now.

I'm fascinated.

I'm sorry going Oh, I.

Was just gonna say.

I always remember watching that Sugar Cubes video and feeling like there was a real power dynamic issue between York and that where it's like, no one's here for you, rapping guy.

Yeah, everybody's here for her.

Yeah.

During the this wasn't supposed to happen part, she was pointing at him I always thought that was over at the top.

There's that thing where, yes, certain white bands of a certain age in the late eighties and early nineties, Oh, we need to do some rapping here, yeah yeah yeah.

And then sometimes like Sonic Cut just brought in a guy, yeah right right, kairas One.

I think, yeah, oh yeah, just do a little sound, just do some rapping, yeah verse here.

But sometimes they do it themselves, yeah, Debbie Harry.

Of course with Christmas.

Rapping, I had that memorized.

Yes, there's also a James Taylor song where he legitimately, not legitimately, but very purposefully raps.

It's about traffic, really, is that true?

YEAHM from that era, M how I hate to be late, hurts my motor to go so slow?

Time to get home my supper be called damn this traffic, Damn that all has to be cut out again, Yes, it does, well.

I just that was for the purpose.

The full version of that get Yourself a Gun song from the Sopranos, which was a song by a band I forget what they were called.

You don't hear it in their Sopranos credits because it's abbreviated, but there's actually a rap Bridge in that Oh amazing.

Yes, Wow, I'm gonna get a gun and that's not so fun when you have to I think they're broken.

Well, it was like there's a very dated rat Bridge and they get yourself a gun.

Well, I'm making it up.

It's close to that.

I mean, what if it was this.

It's this idea of how the Mafia isn't as fun as everybody thinks it is.

Yeah, my name is Tony, but I'm not a phone.

Yeah, it's like the Mozzarella and the blow need.

I just had a memory of when Rapture was the song that was always on the I was in the backseat of the car, yes, and I busted out that song came on.

My sister and my mom were in the front seat.

I busted out during the wrap section, and they could not believe that I knew every word to that song and it was the most satisfying.

They couldn't stop laughing.

And I was just like, just like verse after verse because it's like you just were forced to.

Listen to it.

By the way, I just realized a couple of minutes ago, when I brought it up, I misidentified the title.

I called it Christmas Rapping which was the Waitresses.

Oh the Waitresses another occasion band.

Yes, yeah, where that's a very charming song, it is.

That's one of the better white people rapping songs of that era.

Agree, Yeah, because it had like a drive through diner quality to it.

I just like how Debbie Harry rapped because she wasn't trying to do a voice like she basically was like, this is what I think rapping sounds like.

Oh yeah.

Like it was very much like, I don't know, let's just do this part because we're into what's cool.

Men from Mars they have guitars.

Yeah, it was all ours rhyme Like I as a kid, for whatever reason, I had to come up with a slogan for drunk driving.

It was a really art poster contest drinking a bar, driving a car, you won't get far and I won.

That's good.

But I'm mainly for the illustration.

But I'm realizing just now I was ripping off w Hairy because yeah, we're the lyrics basically a bit of that cadence.

Now, what was the illustration?

If I may ask, I think it was a decimated vehicle.

Yeah, but when you write Chris age nine in the corner you can get away with a lot.

I still do it.

To this moment, to.

The contracts, anything, tax forms change.

This has been such a delight.

Wow, we're done already.

Also buy you want to do?

You want to promote anything?

Do you want to as I'll drive down here and you can just.

Give this doing my French Ninder tribute University of Madison.

The only thing to plug right now is I'm on this show on Apple Plus called Palm Royale.

It's so good thank you as.

A comedy with Kristin Wig and the great Allison Janny and many other great actors Martin mart But I have a fun little part in that.

So there's a new season then, yeah, there was a season last year.

I think the second season is airing now.

And it's a fun show and I enjoyed it so and it's set in the sixties.

There's what fun coustoms before we go?

What I remember?

There's a not a jealousy.

But you've got a voiceover gig that Well, I'm not going to go.

You've done a lot of cards.

Wait, I got something that you didn't get.

Is that what you're saying?

That's how I'm like, oh that because you do very well with well, these tables have been turned on me many times.

So thank you.

So I got that you're saying I have a whole Nickelodeon voiceover career coming my way.

I'm just saying I recently was something I didn't get, and I'm wa got it.

Got this, You got damn it and I didn't.

I misused the word jealousy and you meant enraged.

There we go in Gorge saw Boner.

But yeah, thank you.

This was wonderful again, very impressive, glad.

I wasn't the episode where you got into an accident.

You were a great guest and I love what you did and asked us questions.

You've obviously you're a good podcast.

You're real pro.

Well it's my pleasure, James.

Please come back anytime.

Absolutely, yes, anytime.

Maybe next time I'll come up with the destination.

Yes, yes, driving aimlessly all around Burbank.

Or to the piano store in Burbank.

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